Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig
Shut down his LAN port That works Lol.Can't you limit with Vlan On Sep 24, 2016 12:10 PM, "TJ Trout" wrote: > What is the best way to throttle a customer to a specific bandwidth > threshold when they are using over 1G of bandwidth? > > Should this be done at the switch? I have a feeling that a simple queue > probably won't work... >
Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig
Policing or shaping ... switch or router ... depends on whether you want to be harsh or somewhat forgiving on capping the bandwidth ... routers do it better typically but really depends on your gear and where you want to apply it Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 24, 2016, at 2:20 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote: > > Shut down his LAN port That works Lol.Can't you limit with Vlan > > >> On Sep 24, 2016 12:10 PM, "TJ Trout" wrote: >> What is the best way to throttle a customer to a specific bandwidth >> threshold when they are using over 1G of bandwidth? >> >> Should this be done at the switch? I have a feeling that a simple queue >> probably won't work...
Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig
I'm using Ciena 3930s as CPE for our customers with 10G ports and, for those that have subrate services, using them for shaping/policing. It's a switch targetted at carrier ethernet demarc so it has many useful QoS and OAM options. On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 1:10 PM, TJ Trout wrote: > What is the best way to throttle a customer to a specific bandwidth > threshold when they are using over 1G of bandwidth? > > Should this be done at the switch? I have a feeling that a simple queue > probably won't work... >
Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig
we do it with ciena/cyan equipment as well. Your going to be looking at more of a MEF type of switch that can handle this of feature. Carlos Alcantar Race Communications / Race Team Member 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010 Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / car...@race.com / http://www.race.com From: Af on behalf of Jon Auer Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2016 4:29:25 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig I'm using Ciena 3930s as CPE for our customers with 10G ports and, for those that have subrate services, using them for shaping/policing. It's a switch targetted at carrier ethernet demarc so it has many useful QoS and OAM options. On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 1:10 PM, TJ Trout mailto:t...@voltbb.com>> wrote: What is the best way to throttle a customer to a specific bandwidth threshold when they are using over 1G of bandwidth? Should this be done at the switch? I have a feeling that a simple queue probably won't work...
Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig
What is wrong with a simple queue? On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Carlos Alcantar wrote: > we do it with ciena/cyan equipment as well. Your going to be looking at > more of a MEF type of switch that can handle this of feature. > > > > Carlos Alcantar > Race Communications / Race Team Member > 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010 > Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / car...@race.com / http://www.race.com > > > > From: Af on behalf of Jon Auer > Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2016 4:29:25 PM > To: Animal Farm > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig > > I'm using Ciena 3930s as CPE for our customers with 10G ports and, for > those that have subrate services, using them for shaping/policing. > It's a switch targetted at carrier ethernet demarc so it has many useful > QoS and OAM options. > > On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 1:10 PM, TJ Trout mailto:tj@ > voltbb.com>> wrote: > > What is the best way to throttle a customer to a specific bandwidth > threshold when they are using over 1G of bandwidth? > > Should this be done at the switch? I have a feeling that a simple queue > probably won't work... > >
Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig
They’re terribly inefficient, for one. Chris Wright Network Administrator From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum Sent: Monday, September 26, 2016 12:31 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig What is wrong with a simple queue? On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Carlos Alcantar mailto:car...@race.com>> wrote: we do it with ciena/cyan equipment as well. Your going to be looking at more of a MEF type of switch that can handle this of feature. Carlos Alcantar Race Communications / Race Team Member 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010 Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / car...@race.com<mailto:car...@race.com> / http://www.race.com From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Jon Auer mailto:j...@tapodi.net>> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2016 4:29:25 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig I'm using Ciena 3930s as CPE for our customers with 10G ports and, for those that have subrate services, using them for shaping/policing. It's a switch targetted at carrier ethernet demarc so it has many useful QoS and OAM options. On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 1:10 PM, TJ Trout mailto:t...@voltbb.com><mailto:t...@voltbb.com<mailto:t...@voltbb.com>>> wrote: What is the best way to throttle a customer to a specific bandwidth threshold when they are using over 1G of bandwidth? Should this be done at the switch? I have a feeling that a simple queue probably won't work...
Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig
Do most managed switches like the netonix offer a rate limiting/queue/bandwidth limit? On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 1:24 PM, Chris Wright wrote: > They’re terribly inefficient, for one. > > > > Chris Wright > > Network Administrator > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum > *Sent:* Monday, September 26, 2016 12:31 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig > > > > What is wrong with a simple queue? > > > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Carlos Alcantar wrote: > > we do it with ciena/cyan equipment as well. Your going to be looking at > more of a MEF type of switch that can handle this of feature. > > > > Carlos Alcantar > Race Communications / Race Team Member > 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010 > Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / car...@race.com / http://www.race.com > > > > From: Af on behalf of Jon Auer > Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2016 4:29:25 PM > To: Animal Farm > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig > > I'm using Ciena 3930s as CPE for our customers with 10G ports and, for > those that have subrate services, using them for shaping/policing. > It's a switch targetted at carrier ethernet demarc so it has many useful > QoS and OAM options. > > On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 1:10 PM, TJ Trout mailto:tj@ > voltbb.com>> wrote: > > What is the best way to throttle a customer to a specific bandwidth > threshold when they are using over 1G of bandwidth? > > Should this be done at the switch? I have a feeling that a simple queue > probably won't work... > > >
Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig
I wouldn't say most, but many do. Normally switches don't have the proper buffer depth for that kind of thing at scale, unless using those super high throughput, very large buffer data center oriented ASIC designs. On Sep 26, 2016 3:27 PM, "TJ Trout" wrote: > Do most managed switches like the netonix offer a rate > limiting/queue/bandwidth limit? > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 1:24 PM, Chris Wright wrote: > >> They’re terribly inefficient, for one. >> >> >> >> Chris Wright >> >> Network Administrator >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum >> *Sent:* Monday, September 26, 2016 12:31 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig >> >> >> >> What is wrong with a simple queue? >> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Carlos Alcantar wrote: >> >> we do it with ciena/cyan equipment as well. Your going to be looking at >> more of a MEF type of switch that can handle this of feature. >> >> >> >> Carlos Alcantar >> Race Communications / Race Team Member >> 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010 >> Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / car...@race.com / http://www.race.com >> >> >> >> From: Af on behalf of Jon Auer >> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2016 4:29:25 PM >> To: Animal Farm >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig >> >> I'm using Ciena 3930s as CPE for our customers with 10G ports and, for >> those that have subrate services, using them for shaping/policing. >> It's a switch targetted at carrier ethernet demarc so it has many useful >> QoS and OAM options. >> >> On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 1:10 PM, TJ Trout mailto:tj@voltb >> b.com>> wrote: >> >> What is the best way to throttle a customer to a specific bandwidth >> threshold when they are using over 1G of bandwidth? >> >> Should this be done at the switch? I have a feeling that a simple queue >> probably won't work... >> >> >> > >
Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig
Humm, I have a IBM/Blade networks G8124 but I'm not finding anything in the documentation, Any idea what this would commonly be called? On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 1:37 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: > I wouldn't say most, but many do. Normally switches don't have the proper > buffer depth for that kind of thing at scale, unless using those super high > throughput, very large buffer data center oriented ASIC designs. > > On Sep 26, 2016 3:27 PM, "TJ Trout" wrote: > >> Do most managed switches like the netonix offer a rate >> limiting/queue/bandwidth limit? >> >> On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 1:24 PM, Chris Wright >> wrote: >> >>> They’re terribly inefficient, for one. >>> >>> >>> >>> Chris Wright >>> >>> Network Administrator >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum >>> *Sent:* Monday, September 26, 2016 12:31 PM >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig >>> >>> >>> >>> What is wrong with a simple queue? >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Carlos Alcantar >>> wrote: >>> >>> we do it with ciena/cyan equipment as well. Your going to be looking at >>> more of a MEF type of switch that can handle this of feature. >>> >>> >>> >>> Carlos Alcantar >>> Race Communications / Race Team Member >>> 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010 >>> Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / car...@race.com / http://www.race.com >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Af on behalf of Jon Auer >>> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2016 4:29:25 PM >>> To: Animal Farm >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig >>> >>> I'm using Ciena 3930s as CPE for our customers with 10G ports and, for >>> those that have subrate services, using them for shaping/policing. >>> It's a switch targetted at carrier ethernet demarc so it has many useful >>> QoS and OAM options. >>> >>> On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 1:10 PM, TJ Trout mailto:tj@voltb >>> b.com>> wrote: >>> >>> What is the best way to throttle a customer to a specific bandwidth >>> threshold when they are using over 1G of bandwidth? >>> >>> Should this be done at the switch? I have a feeling that a simple queue >>> probably won't work... >>> >>> >>> >> >>
Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig
QoS? Policies? Lots of possible. -- Original Message -- From: "TJ Trout" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 9/26/2016 4:43:39 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig Humm, I have a IBM/Blade networks G8124 but I'm not finding anything in the documentation, Any idea what this would commonly be called? On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 1:37 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: I wouldn't say most, but many do. Normally switches don't have the proper buffer depth for that kind of thing at scale, unless using those super high throughput, very large buffer data center oriented ASIC designs. On Sep 26, 2016 3:27 PM, "TJ Trout" wrote: Do most managed switches like the netonix offer a rate limiting/queue/bandwidth limit? On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 1:24 PM, Chris Wright wrote: They’re terribly inefficient, for one. Chris Wright Network Administrator From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum Sent: Monday, September 26, 2016 12:31 PM To:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig What is wrong with a simple queue? On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Carlos Alcantar wrote: we do it with ciena/cyan equipment as well. Your going to be looking at more of a MEF type of switch that can handle this of feature. Carlos Alcantar Race Communications / Race Team Member 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010 Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / car...@race.com / http://www.race.com From: Af on behalf of Jon Auer Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2016 4:29:25 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig I'm using Ciena 3930s as CPE for our customers with 10G ports and, for those that have subrate services, using them for shaping/policing. It's a switch targetted at carrier ethernet demarc so it has many useful QoS and OAM options. On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 1:10 PM, TJ Trout mailto:t...@voltbb.com>> wrote: What is the best way to throttle a customer to a specific bandwidth threshold when they are using over 1G of bandwidth? Should this be done at the switch? I have a feeling that a simple queue probably won't work...
Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig
wouldn't you want zero queue buffers for true rate limiting? Buffers infer traffic shaping. On 9/26/2016 3:37 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: I wouldn't say most, but many do. Normally switches don't have the proper buffer depth for that kind of thing at scale, unless using those super high throughput, very large buffer data center oriented ASIC designs. On Sep 26, 2016 3:27 PM, "TJ Trout" <mailto:t...@voltbb.com>> wrote: Do most managed switches like the netonix offer a rate limiting/queue/bandwidth limit? On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 1:24 PM, Chris Wright mailto:ch...@velociter.net>> wrote: They’re terribly inefficient, for one. Chris Wright Network Administrator *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum *Sent:* Monday, September 26, 2016 12:31 PM *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig What is wrong with a simple queue? On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Carlos Alcantar mailto:car...@race.com>> wrote: we do it with ciena/cyan equipment as well. Your going to be looking at more of a MEF type of switch that can handle this of feature. Carlos Alcantar Race Communications / Race Team Member 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010 Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / car...@race.com <mailto:car...@race.com> / http://www.race.com From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Jon Auer mailto:j...@tapodi.net>> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2016 4:29:25 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig I'm using Ciena 3930s as CPE for our customers with 10G ports and, for those that have subrate services, using them for shaping/policing. It's a switch targetted at carrier ethernet demarc so it has many useful QoS and OAM options. On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 1:10 PM, TJ Trout mailto:t...@voltbb.com><mailto:t...@voltbb.com <mailto:t...@voltbb.com>>> wrote: What is the best way to throttle a customer to a specific bandwidth threshold when they are using over 1G of bandwidth? Should this be done at the switch? I have a feeling that a simple queue probably won't work...
Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig
Depends on if he wants to police or shape. To police you don't need much of a buffer, and it's a very hard cutoff. To shape (much better user experience), he'll need something like RED, WRED, codel/fq_codel and deeper buffers. On Sep 26, 2016 6:19 PM, "Keefe John" wrote: wouldn't you want zero queue buffers for true rate limiting? Buffers infer traffic shaping. On 9/26/2016 3:37 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: I wouldn't say most, but many do. Normally switches don't have the proper buffer depth for that kind of thing at scale, unless using those super high throughput, very large buffer data center oriented ASIC designs. On Sep 26, 2016 3:27 PM, "TJ Trout" wrote: > Do most managed switches like the netonix offer a rate > limiting/queue/bandwidth limit? > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 1:24 PM, Chris Wright wrote: > >> They’re terribly inefficient, for one. >> >> >> >> Chris Wright >> >> Network Administrator >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum >> *Sent:* Monday, September 26, 2016 12:31 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig >> >> >> >> What is wrong with a simple queue? >> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Carlos Alcantar wrote: >> >> we do it with ciena/cyan equipment as well. Your going to be looking at >> more of a MEF type of switch that can handle this of feature. >> >> >> >> Carlos Alcantar >> Race Communications / Race Team Member >> 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010 >> Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / car...@race.com / http://www.race.com >> >> >> >> From: Af on behalf of Jon Auer >> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2016 4:29:25 PM >> To: Animal Farm >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig >> >> I'm using Ciena 3930s as CPE for our customers with 10G ports and, for >> those that have subrate services, using them for shaping/policing. >> It's a switch targetted at carrier ethernet demarc so it has many useful >> QoS and OAM options. >> >> On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 1:10 PM, TJ Trout mailto:tj@voltb >> b.com>> wrote: >> >> What is the best way to throttle a customer to a specific bandwidth >> threshold when they are using over 1G of bandwidth? >> >> Should this be done at the switch? I have a feeling that a simple queue >> probably won't work... >> >> >> > >
Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig
Everyone's against policing these days. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Josh Reynolds" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, September 26, 2016 6:55:27 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig Depends on if he wants to police or shape. To police you don't need much of a buffer, and it's a very hard cutoff. To shape (much better user experience), he'll need something like RED, WRED, codel/fq_codel and deeper buffers. On Sep 26, 2016 6:19 PM, "Keefe John" < keefe...@ethoplex.com > wrote: wouldn't you want zero queue buffers for true rate limiting? Buffers infer traffic shaping. On 9/26/2016 3:37 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: I wouldn't say most, but many do. Normally switches don't have the proper buffer depth for that kind of thing at scale, unless using those super high throughput, very large buffer data center oriented ASIC designs. On Sep 26, 2016 3:27 PM, "TJ Trout" < t...@voltbb.com > wrote: Do most managed switches like the netonix offer a rate limiting/queue/bandwidth limit? On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 1:24 PM, Chris Wright < ch...@velociter.net > wrote: They’re terribly inefficient, for one. Chris Wright Network Administrator From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum Sent: Monday, September 26, 2016 12:31 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig What is wrong with a simple queue? On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Carlos Alcantar < car...@race.com > wrote: we do it with ciena/cyan equipment as well. Your going to be looking at more of a MEF type of switch that can handle this of feature. Carlos Alcantar Race Communications / Race Team Member 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010 Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / car...@race.com / http://www.race.com From: Af < af-boun...@afmug.com > on behalf of Jon Auer < j...@tapodi.net > Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2016 4:29:25 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig I'm using Ciena 3930s as CPE for our customers with 10G ports and, for those that have subrate services, using them for shaping/policing. It's a switch targetted at carrier ethernet demarc so it has many useful QoS and OAM options. On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 1:10 PM, TJ Trout < t...@voltbb.com > wrote: What is the best way to throttle a customer to a specific bandwidth threshold when they are using over 1G of bandwidth? Should this be done at the switch? I have a feeling that a simple queue probably won't work...
Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig
why? On 9/26/2016 8:43 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Everyone's against policing these days. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, September 26, 2016 6:55:27 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig Depends on if he wants to police or shape. To police you don't need much of a buffer, and it's a very hard cutoff. To shape (much better user experience), he'll need something like RED, WRED, codel/fq_codel and deeper buffers. On Sep 26, 2016 6:19 PM, "Keefe John" <mailto:keefe...@ethoplex.com>> wrote: wouldn't you want zero queue buffers for true rate limiting? Buffers infer traffic shaping. On 9/26/2016 3:37 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: I wouldn't say most, but many do. Normally switches don't have the proper buffer depth for that kind of thing at scale, unless using those super high throughput, very large buffer data center oriented ASIC designs. On Sep 26, 2016 3:27 PM, "TJ Trout" mailto:t...@voltbb.com>> wrote: Do most managed switches like the netonix offer a rate limiting/queue/bandwidth limit? On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 1:24 PM, Chris Wright mailto:ch...@velociter.net>> wrote: They’re terribly inefficient, for one. Chris Wright Network Administrator *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum *Sent:* Monday, September 26, 2016 12:31 PM *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig What is wrong with a simple queue? On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Carlos Alcantar mailto:car...@race.com>> wrote: we do it with ciena/cyan equipment as well. Your going to be looking at more of a MEF type of switch that can handle this of feature. Carlos Alcantar Race Communications / Race Team Member 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010 Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / car...@race.com <mailto:car...@race.com> / http://www.race.com From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Jon Auer mailto:j...@tapodi.net>> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2016 4:29:25 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig I'm using Ciena 3930s as CPE for our customers with 10G ports and, for those that have subrate services, using them for shaping/policing. It's a switch targetted at carrier ethernet demarc so it has many useful QoS and OAM options. On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 1:10 PM, TJ Trout mailto:t...@voltbb.com><mailto:t...@voltbb.com <mailto:t...@voltbb.com>>> wrote: What is the best way to throttle a customer to a specific bandwidth threshold when they are using over 1G of bandwidth? Should this be done at the switch? I have a feeling that a simple queue probably won't work...
Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig
Well, that's what the news says. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Keefe John" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, September 26, 2016 9:33:35 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig why? On 9/26/2016 8:43 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Everyone's against policing these days. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Josh Reynolds" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, September 26, 2016 6:55:27 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig Depends on if he wants to police or shape. To police you don't need much of a buffer, and it's a very hard cutoff. To shape (much better user experience), he'll need something like RED, WRED, codel/fq_codel and deeper buffers. On Sep 26, 2016 6:19 PM, "Keefe John" < keefe...@ethoplex.com > wrote: wouldn't you want zero queue buffers for true rate limiting? Buffers infer traffic shaping. On 9/26/2016 3:37 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: I wouldn't say most, but many do. Normally switches don't have the proper buffer depth for that kind of thing at scale, unless using those super high throughput, very large buffer data center oriented ASIC designs. On Sep 26, 2016 3:27 PM, "TJ Trout" < t...@voltbb.com > wrote: Do most managed switches like the netonix offer a rate limiting/queue/bandwidth limit? On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 1:24 PM, Chris Wright < ch...@velociter.net > wrote: They’re terribly inefficient, for one. Chris Wright Network Administrator From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum Sent: Monday, September 26, 2016 12:31 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig What is wrong with a simple queue? On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Carlos Alcantar < car...@race.com > wrote: we do it with ciena/cyan equipment as well. Your going to be looking at more of a MEF type of switch that can handle this of feature. Carlos Alcantar Race Communications / Race Team Member 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010 Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / car...@race.com / http://www.race.com From: Af < af-boun...@afmug.com > on behalf of Jon Auer < j...@tapodi.net > Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2016 4:29:25 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig I'm using Ciena 3930s as CPE for our customers with 10G ports and, for those that have subrate services, using them for shaping/policing. It's a switch targetted at carrier ethernet demarc so it has many useful QoS and OAM options. On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 1:10 PM, TJ Trout < t...@voltbb.com > wrote: What is the best way to throttle a customer to a specific bandwidth threshold when they are using over 1G of bandwidth? Should this be done at the switch? I have a feeling that a simple queue probably won't work...
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Play on words? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Keefe John Sent: Monday, September 26, 2016 9:34 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig why? On 9/26/2016 8:43 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Everyone's against policing these days. ;-) - Mike Hammett <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> _ From: "Josh Reynolds" <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2016 6:55:27 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig Depends on if he wants to police or shape. To police you don't need much of a buffer, and it's a very hard cutoff. To shape (much better user experience), he'll need something like RED, WRED, codel/fq_codel and deeper buffers. On Sep 26, 2016 6:19 PM, "Keefe John" mailto:keefe...@ethoplex.com> > wrote: wouldn't you want zero queue buffers for true rate limiting? Buffers infer traffic shaping. On 9/26/2016 3:37 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: I wouldn't say most, but many do. Normally switches don't have the proper buffer depth for that kind of thing at scale, unless using those super high throughput, very large buffer data center oriented ASIC designs. On Sep 26, 2016 3:27 PM, "TJ Trout" mailto:t...@voltbb.com> > wrote: Do most managed switches like the netonix offer a rate limiting/queue/bandwidth limit? On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 1:24 PM, Chris Wright mailto:ch...@velociter.net> > wrote: They’re terribly inefficient, for one. Chris Wright Network Administrator From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum Sent: Monday, September 26, 2016 12:31 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig What is wrong with a simple queue? On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Carlos Alcantar mailto:car...@race.com> > wrote: we do it with ciena/cyan equipment as well. Your going to be looking at more of a MEF type of switch that can handle this of feature. Carlos Alcantar Race Communications / Race Team Member 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010 Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / car...@race.com <mailto:car...@race.com> / http://www.race.com ________________ From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> > on behalf of Jon Auer mailto:j...@tapodi.net> > Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2016 4:29:25 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig I'm using Ciena 3930s as CPE for our customers with 10G ports and, for those that have subrate services, using them for shaping/policing. It's a switch targetted at carrier ethernet demarc so it has many useful QoS and OAM options. On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 1:10 PM, TJ Trout mailto:t...@voltbb.com> <mailto:t...@voltbb.com <mailto:t...@voltbb.com> >> wrote: What is the best way to throttle a customer to a specific bandwidth threshold when they are using over 1G of bandwidth? Should this be done at the switch? I have a feeling that a simple queue probably won't work...
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I was sitting here rattling my brain thinking "WTF is he talking about?" until I read his next comment. I feel like I've been shot! Halp! ;) On Sep 26, 2016 9:41 PM, "Mike Hammett" wrote: > Well, that's what the news says. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ---------- > *From: *"Keefe John" > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Monday, September 26, 2016 9:33:35 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig > > why? > > On 9/26/2016 8:43 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > Everyone's against policing these days. > > > ;-) > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -- > *From: *"Josh Reynolds" > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Monday, September 26, 2016 6:55:27 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig > > Depends on if he wants to police or shape. To police you don't need much > of a buffer, and it's a very hard cutoff. To shape (much better user > experience), he'll need something like RED, WRED, codel/fq_codel and deeper > buffers. > > On Sep 26, 2016 6:19 PM, "Keefe John" wrote: > > wouldn't you want zero queue buffers for true rate limiting? Buffers > infer traffic shaping. > > On 9/26/2016 3:37 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: > > I wouldn't say most, but many do. Normally switches don't have the proper > buffer depth for that kind of thing at scale, unless using those super high > throughput, very large buffer data center oriented ASIC designs. > > On Sep 26, 2016 3:27 PM, "TJ Trout" wrote: > >> Do most managed switches like the netonix offer a rate >> limiting/queue/bandwidth limit? >> >> On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 1:24 PM, Chris Wright >> wrote: >> >>> They’re terribly inefficient, for one. >>> >>> >>> >>> Chris Wright >>> >>> Network Administrator >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum >>> *Sent:* Monday, September 26, 2016 12:31 PM >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig >>> >>> >>> >>> What is wrong with a simple queue? >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Carlos Alcantar >>> wrote: >>> >>> we do it with ciena/cyan equipment as well. Your going to be looking at >>> more of a MEF type of switch that can handle this of feature. >>> >>> >>> >>> Carlos Alcantar >>> Race Communications / Race Team Member >>> 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010 >>> Phone: +1 415 376 3314 <%2B1%20415%20376%203314> / car...@race.com / >>> http://www.race.com >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Af on behalf of Jon Auer >>> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2016 4:29:25 PM >>> To: Animal Farm >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig >>> >>> I'm using Ciena 3930s as CPE for our customers with 10G ports and, for >>> those that have subrate services, using them for shaping/policing. >>> It's a switch targetted at carrier ethernet demarc so it has many useful >>> QoS and OAM options. >>> >>> On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 1:10 PM, TJ Trout mailto:tj@ >>> voltbb.com>> wrote: >>> >>> What is the best way to throttle a customer to a specific bandwidth >>> threshold when they are using over 1G of bandwidth? >>> >>> Should this be done at the switch? I have a feeling that a simple queue >>> probably won't work... >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > > >
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Are you saying we need to riot? I'll pick up Steve on the way. On 9/26/2016 10:31 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: I was sitting here rattling my brain thinking "WTF is he talking about?" until I read his next comment. I feel like I've been shot! Halp! ;) On Sep 26, 2016 9:41 PM, "Mike Hammett" <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote: Well, that's what the news says. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> *From: *"Keefe John" mailto:keefe...@ethoplex.com>> *To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Sent: *Monday, September 26, 2016 9:33:35 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig why? On 9/26/2016 8:43 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Everyone's against policing these days. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> ------------ *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com> *To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Sent: *Monday, September 26, 2016 6:55:27 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig Depends on if he wants to police or shape. To police you don't need much of a buffer, and it's a very hard cutoff. To shape (much better user experience), he'll need something like RED, WRED, codel/fq_codel and deeper buffers. On Sep 26, 2016 6:19 PM, "Keefe John" mailto:keefe...@ethoplex.com>> wrote: wouldn't you want zero queue buffers for true rate limiting? Buffers infer traffic shaping. On 9/26/2016 3:37 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: I wouldn't say most, but many do. Normally switches don't have the proper buffer depth for that kind of thing at scale, unless using those super high throughput, very large buffer data center oriented ASIC designs. On Sep 26, 2016 3:27 PM, "TJ Trout" mailto:t...@voltbb.com>> wrote: Do most managed switches like the netonix offer a rate limiting/queue/bandwidth limit? On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 1:24 PM, Chris Wright mailto:ch...@velociter.net>> wrote: They’re terribly inefficient, for one. Chris Wright Network Administrator *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum *Sent:* Monday, September 26, 2016 12:31 PM *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig What is wrong with a simple queue? On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Carlos Alcantar mailto:car...@race.com>> wrote: we do it with ciena/cyan equipment as well. Your going to be looking at more of a MEF type of switch that can handle this of feature. Carlos Al