Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] CARVALHO - Santa Maria Island - Santo Espirito

[Dano]

I know you do Shirley, what I have I got from you and Cheri. BTW, thank you 
- that family turned out to be a major part of my family history. I've done 
some research on the children, but, I haven't been able to move the clock 
back on the earlier ancestors from when I originally got that data. So, 
until Sao Pedro is uploaded, I remain dead in the water, so to speak...

On Monday, March 31, 2014 4:14:49 PM UTC-4, Shirley Allegre wrote:
>
>  
> I have Manoel de Mello X Anna Moura from Sao Pedro - Santa Maria island.
> Manoel was born about 1648.
>  
> Shirley in CA
>
> - Original Message - 
> *From:* Dano  
> *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com  
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 27, 2014 7:05 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] CARVALHO - Santa Maria Island - Santo 
> Espirito
>
>  Hi Altino, sorry it took so long to get back to you - I truly didn't see 
> the message until today. Anyway, Cheri and I shared databases some umpteen 
> billion years ago. Pretty much nothing has changed w/ the Mello links since 
> then, except that I've had a chance to hone in and get more data on the 
> individuals in that category. I have approximately 190 Mello 
> links. However, I'm in the process of upgrading my computer system 
> at present -  I should be able to send you some data soon.
>
> On Saturday, February 8, 2014 6:10:25 PM UTC-5, Altino 
>
>> DPaiva, Cheri, and I have Mello's from Ponta Garca too. It would be 
>> interesting to see if our lines connect. 
>>
>> demelo...@yahoo.com 
>>
>> Sent from my iPad 
>>
>> > On Feb 8, 2014, at 5:48 PM, Dano  wrote: 
>> > 
>> > Ola, Ricardo, 
>> > You said the magic words [Mello/Santa Maria]. My Mello links, however, 
>> are from Sao Pedro, and date back before much of the written records that 
>> still exist. I was hoping to find some type of historic account that covers 
>> at least the link-up period [1687]. My [Mellos] originally settled in 
>> Povoacao before 1700, and relocated to Ponta Garca a short time later. Let 
>> me know if you care to share notes. 
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> On Saturday, February 8, 2014 6:10:25 PM UTC-5, Altino wrote: 
>>
>> DPaiva, Cheri, and I have Mello's from Ponta Garca too. It would be 
>> interesting to see if our lines connect. 
>>
>> demelo...@yahoo.com 
>>
>> Sent from my iPad 
>>
>> > On Feb 8, 2014, at 5:48 PM, Dano  wrote: 
>> > 
>> > Ola, Ricardo, 
>> > You said the magic words [Mello/Santa Maria]. My Mello links, however, 
>> are from Sao Pedro, and date back before much of the written records that 
>> still exist. I was hoping to find some type of historic account that covers 
>> at least the link-up period [1687]. My [Mellos] originally settled in 
>> Povoacao before 1700, and relocated to Ponta Garca a short time later. Let 
>> me know if you care to share notes. 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] there is no "DE Something" surnames in portuguese

[Dano]

Well, Cheri, they probably don't mean it, but, what kind of research will 
they turn out if they can't even get the names of the islands straight??? 
You know I'm on the east coast, only been to CA once in my life, but, even 
I know that San Miguel is in the Channel Islands - all it takes is a short 
walk to where the encyclopedia is kept, you don't even need own it, to use 
it... All I'm saying is that I can feel Eliseu's frustration when 
people complain that none of the surnames on his website start with DE, or, 
DA ...

On Monday, March 31, 2014 10:24:32 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:

> The only San Miguel island that exists (that I could find on the Internet) 
> is part of the Channel Islands of the coast of California.  Wrong 
> archipelago, wrong country, wrong ocean.  And I know most people don't mean 
> that!
>
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> Tainhas, Achada 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Bishop Myron Cotta

[terceira]

I just read in the latest issue of O Progresso (by the Portuguese Historical Society of Sacramento) about the new Bishop Myron Cotta.Any chance that someone knows about his link to the Azores? It says his grandparents were immigrants and I assume they were from Terceira, since that's where most named Cotta are from (now spelled as Cota).I would like to find my own link to his family, since I have lots of Cota ancestors from Terceira.Obrigado,Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaTerceira Genealogist916-550-1618Website: www.dholmes.com 



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Not sure of fathers surname and padrinhos

[Maria Lima]

Sorry- for Antonio the first name on upper left hand page

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 31, 2014, at 11:01 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> Maria Elena,
> 
> There's 6 of them on the attached image.  If you want people to help, you 
> need to specify which one (left middle, bottom right).
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 8:41 PM, Maria Lima  wrote:
>> Is the father Francisco Jose de Resendes( I'm guessing )
>> 
>> 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779_item1/P48.html
>> 
>> Also the padrinhos puzzled me because it said the godfather was the son of - 
>> I could not decipher the name:  Bernardo Joze de Rego, son of Mathias (???) 
>> Antonio Do Rego (?)(causes?cant read it. Souza -and it looks like it 
>> talks about the padrinho being baptized .. Then does it say his wife is 
>> Donna Ignacia ? rosa?
>> 
>> I wonder why it gave relationships of godparents.
>> Any help would be appreciated.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779_item1/P48.html
>> 
>> Maria Elena
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Not sure of fathers surname and padrinhos

[Cheri Mello]

Maria Elena,

There's 6 of them on the attached image.  If you want people to help, you
need to specify which one (left middle, bottom right).


On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 8:41 PM, Maria Lima  wrote:

> Is the father Francisco Jose de Resendes( I'm guessing )
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779_item1/P48.html
>
> Also the padrinhos puzzled me because it said the godfather was the son of
> - I could not decipher the name:  Bernardo Joze de Rego, son of Mathias
> (???) Antonio Do Rego (?)(causes?cant read it. Souza -and it looks
> like it talks about the padrinho being baptized .. Then does it say his
> wife is Donna Ignacia ? rosa?
>
> I wonder why it gave relationships of godparents.
> Any help would be appreciated.
>
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779_item1/P48.html
>
> Maria Elena
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Not sure of fathers surname and padrinhos

[Maria Lima]

Is the father Francisco Jose de Resendes( I'm guessing ) 


http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779_item1/P48.html

Also the padrinhos puzzled me because it said the godfather was the son of - I 
could not decipher the name:  Bernardo Joze de Rego, son of Mathias (???) 
Antonio Do Rego (?)(causes?cant read it. Souza -and it looks like it 
talks about the padrinho being baptized .. Then does it say his wife is Donna 
Ignacia ? rosa?

I wonder why it gave relationships of godparents.  
Any help would be appreciated.  



http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779_item1/P48.html

Maria Elena 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Salt Lake City Genealogy Conference, Registration Deadline coming up on April 1st!

[Cheri Mello]

If you are planning on coming, tomorrow (Tuesday) is the deadline.  If you
are booking your room and putting the check in the mail, please email
directly off list at gfscherim at gmail.com so I know to expect your
registration.

For those who missed the announcement, here it is:

Our genealogy and research trip to Salt Lake City on April 15-18, 2014, is
quickly approaching!

I need a couple of weeks to work on things, so I've set the registration
deadline as April 1st (and for those dropping it in the mail on Apr 1st, I
won't get it for a few days).

For those thinking of attending, you can read more about the conference
from the Azores GenWeb page here:
goo.gl/E9FHvV

We will be able to help Madeirans, Cape Verdeans, and the continent too!

You can still book a room at the Plaza Hotel.  Rooms are available, they
just are not holding them for us.  Call the hotel and tell them you are
with the Azores group.  If that doesn't work, tell them you want the
genealogy special. (It's the same as our deal - stay 3 nights get one
free).  Also email me off list to let me know you've booked a room so I can
be sure they put you in our block!

We have people coming from Canada, Australia, and Joao Ventura coming from
Terceira!

Looking forward to meeting many of you soon!
 Cheri, Rosemarie, & Joao

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] there is no "DE Something" surnames in portuguese

[Cheri Mello]

The only San Miguel island that exists (that I could find on the Internet)
is part of the Channel Islands of the coast of California.  Wrong
archipelago, wrong country, wrong ocean.  And I know most people don't mean
that!

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] there is no "DE Something" surnames in portuguese

[Dano]

All that be true, Carlos, however, there still* isn't* a "San" Miguel, or 
"San" Jorge, island in the Azores. If people want to "find their roots," 
they need to start by at least getting the names of the *islands*straight...   

On Monday, March 31, 2014 3:08:06 PM UTC-4, rchaves wrote:
>
> Hi, 
>
> all that is called evolution! It has been "happening" here as time goes 
> by! I sure would find awkward if my name was Xaves instead of Chaves or 
> Joseph instead of José, or Joachim instead of Joaquim, etc.
>
>  If you are registered with a prefix in your name, you cannot simply 
> decide to "throw" it away. I am DA PONTE CHAVES, and legally in Portugal, 
> DA PONTE is part of my grandfather's surname.
>
> To be able to sign my name with out the prefix "DA" I had to request that 
> to "Registo" Civil, and ONLY in the signature, not in the government 
> system, Da is still part of my name in the ID card.
>
> For those who have born, I would say, in the past 100 years, and their 
> parents chose to remove the prefix from their inherited names, will 
> continue to be a Chaves or Sousa etc. even with out it, the prefix was 
> there for ages.
>
> Portuguese is an evolution of Latin as you probably all know, and names, 
> or should I say, surnames, either than those from royalty, also have 
> certain origins. Don't have for granted that for example "Jon doe da Fonte" 
> 400 years ago an ascendent of Jon doe de Fontes" 200 years later.
>
> PS: Cheri, there people here still using their original ascendent names, 
> including Mello with 2 L! :-)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Cheri Mello 
> > wrote:
>
>> HI Eliseu,
>>
>> Try to explain that to people who immigrated to America a while ago and 
>> went to American schools.  Roll call...and their names are in the D 
>> section!  They seriously think their name begins with a D and they look at 
>> me like I'm crazy when I try to explain the pre-surname thing.
>>
>> But if we all did alphabetize by de, da, do, d'then a very large 
>> portion of Portuguese people would have surnames beginning with D!  That 
>> would be very strange!
>>
>> One of the tech help guys at The Master Genealogist was a De Silva.  That 
>> drove me nuts.  It IS his legal name in America and they immigrated a long 
>> time ago.  And his Da got corrupted into a De.  And Hawaii is a whole 
>> different story because their spellings really got changed around. 
>>
>> And I suppose people look at my name over in the Azores and think I can't 
>> spell.  Actually, I know that they think that.  When I used to write the 
>> archives, they wrote back to me as a  Melo, not Mello.  At my local 
>> Portuguese hall, they also spell my name Melo.  I know how to spell my 
>> legal name and I know that he emigrated in 1903 before the spelling change 
>> and that I carry the "old" spelling.  I just go with the flow.
>>
>> But yes, searches in Portuguese databases need to be done without 
>> de/da/do/d' and in American searches, try it every which way you can!
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
>> Tainhas, Achada 
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Re: _[AZORES-Genealogy]_Parishes_surrounding_Fajã_de _Baixo,_P.D.

[Pam Santos]

will do!!


On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 5:45 PM,  wrote:

> These maps were created years ago by a volunteer named Ana Ghia-Pereira
> who has mainland ancestry and resides in Toronto and I doubt is on this
> list, but was on the old Portugal List on Rootsweb about 10 years ago.
> She did a wonderful job and so if you ever encounter her in the future,
> you can thank her.
>
> Doug da Rocha Holmes
> Sacramento, California
> Pico & Terceira Genealogist
> 916-550-1618
> www.dholmes.com
>
>
>   Original Message 
> Subject: Re:_[AZORES-Genealogy]_Parishes_surrounding_Fajã_de
> _Baixo,_P.D.
> From: Pam Santos 
> Date: Mon, March 31, 2014 5:26 pm
> To: "azores@googlegroups.com" 
>
> I always use this map on Doug Holmes website
>
> http://www.dholmes.com/master-list/azores/smiguel.html
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] there is no "DE Something" surnames in portuguese

[Shirl Sereque]

Holland

I also have ancestors who lived in Holland.  They were Jewish, thrown out of 
some other anti-Jewish country.  Eventually they went to England.
- Shirl -
On Monday, March 31, 2014 6:00 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
 
Ricardo C,

That's what I mean.  I think when the more recent people came to America and 
said their name was Da Silva or whatever, it is misunderstood and "Da" becomes 
part of their name.  Then they had kids who went to school here and they grow 
up thinking that their name is really "DaSilva" and not Silva. That's when they 
look at me like I'm crazy.

I even had one guy tell me that his alcunha was "DaSilva" or whatever and his 
apelido was __.  I told him I was pretty sure he had the words alcunha and 
apelido switched around, but he said no, as he was a native speaker (born in 
California) and I wasn't.  I'm a native speaker of English born in America, but 
that doesn't make me an authority on American names and nicknames.

Oh well.
Cheri




On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 12:11 PM, Ricardo Chaves  wrote:

Sorry, i forgot to say, 
>
>why do I see many times PT descendents in the US adopting this kind of 
>surname?  DeMelo DeSousa DeSilva or DaSilva etc
>
>
>
>
>On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 7:08 PM, Ricardo Chaves  wrote:
>
>Hi, 
>>
>>all that is called evolution! It has been "happening" here as time goes by! I 
>>sure would find awkward if my name was Xaves instead of Chaves or Joseph 
>>instead of José, or Joachim instead of Joaquim, etc.
>>
>> If you are registered with a prefix in your name, you cannot simply decide 
>>to "throw" it away. I am DA PONTE CHAVES, and legally in Portugal, DA PONTE 
>>is part of my grandfather's surname.
>>
>>To be able to sign my name with out the prefix "DA" I had to request that to 
>>"Registo" Civil, and ONLY in the signature, not in the government system, Da 
>>is still part of my name in the ID card.
>>
>>For those who have born, I would say, in the past 100 years, and their 
>>parents chose to remove the prefix from their inherited names, will continue 
>>to be a Chaves or Sousa etc. even with out it, the prefix was there for ages.
>>
>>Portuguese is an evolution of Latin as you probably all know, and names, or 
>>should I say, surnames, either than those from royalty, also have certain 
>>origins. Don't have for granted that for example "Jon doe da Fonte" 400 years 
>>ago an ascendent of Jon doe de Fontes" 200 years later.
>>
>>PS: Cheri, there people here still using their original ascendent names, 
>>including Mello with 2 L! :-)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>HI Eliseu,
>>>
>>>Try to explain that to people who immigrated to America a while ago and went 
>>>to American schools.  Roll call...and their names are in the D section!  
>>>They seriously think their name begins with a D and they look at me like I'm 
>>>crazy when I try to explain the pre-surname thing.
>>>
>>>But if we all did alphabetize by de, da, do, d'then a very large portion 
>>>of Portuguese people would have surnames beginning with D!  That would be 
>>>very strange!
>>>
>>>One of the tech help guys at The Master Genealogist was a De Silva.  That 
>>>drove me nuts.  It IS his legal name in America and they immigrated a long 
>>>time ago.  And his Da got corrupted into a De.  And Hawaii is a whole 
>>>different story because their spellings really got changed around. 
>>>
>>>And I suppose people look at my name over in the Azores and think I can't 
>>>spell.  Actually, I know that they think that.  When I used to write the 
>>>archives, they wrote back to me as a  Melo, not Mello.  At my local 
>>>Portuguese hall, they also spell my name Melo.  I know how to spell my legal 
>>>name and I know that he emigrated in 1903 before the spelling change and 
>>>that I carry the "old" spelling.  I just go with the flow.
>>>
>>>But yes, searches in Portuguese databases need to be done without 
>>>de/da/do/d' and in American searches, try it every which way you can!
>>>
>>>
>>>Cheri Mello
>>>Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, 
>>>Achada 
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RE: _[AZORES-Genealogy]_Parishes_surrounding_Fajã_de _Baixo,_P.D.

[pico]

These maps were created years ago by a volunteer named Ana Ghia-Pereira who has mainland ancestry and resides in Toronto and I doubt is on this list, but was on the old Portugal List on Rootsweb about 10 years ago. She did a wonderful job and so if you ever encounter her in the future, you can thank her.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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_Baixo,_P.D.
From: Pam Santos 
Date: Mon, March 31, 2014 5:26 pm
To: "azores@googlegroups.com" 

I always use this map on Doug Holmes websitehttp://www.dholmes.com/master-list/azores/smiguel.html   





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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Parishes surrounding Fajã de Baixo, P.D.

[Pam Santos]

I always use this map on Doug Holmes website

http://www.dholmes.com/master-list/azores/smiguel.html


On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Tanya S,
>
> Go to the Azores GenWeb here.  There will be a different map there soon,
> but in the meantime, scroll down:
> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw/saomiguel.html
>
> Freguesia are alphabetical.  Scroll down to Candaleria and note it's in
> Ponta Delgada.  The keep on scrolling to Ginetes and note it's also in
> Ponta Delgada.  You will also see that there's a direct link to the CCA
> records from the Azores GenWeb site.  Or if you prefer the format or layout
> of the ETombo.pt site, use that.  Or if you wan the 10 at a time, use the
> CCA site.  It's just cross referenced everywhere.
>
> I would not post my lines to a thread titled Faja de Baixo.  Start a new
> thread and post the husband and wife and their kids.  After getting answers
> on that, then post a new couple in a new thread.
>
> Cheri Mello
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 1:47 PM, Tanya Smith wrote:
>
>> Hi Cheri,
>>
>> I followed your link www.etombo.pt and is looking to research church
>> records of my GG Grandfather - I went as far as Sao Miguel on the sight but
>> did not know where to go from there.
>>
>>
>>
>> Municípios
>>Lagoa   211   Nordeste  276 
>>   Ponta
>> Delgada   934   Povoação  208  
>>  Ribeira
>> Grande   0   Vila Franca do 
>> Campo 226
>>
>>
>> I listed my lines below.  I only have villages for a couple of them on my
>> mothers paternal side.  Ginetes and Candelaria.  Can you steer me in the
>> right direction?  Also are these type of etombo records the same as this
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/ ?
>>
>>
>>
>> My mothers maternal side:
>>
>> Joao Pimental - b.1864 Sao Miguel, Azores, d, 1930 HI
>> SP. Rosa De Jesus( b. 1866 Sao Miguel, Azores, d. ?
>>
>> Children:
>> Jacintho Pimental b. 1885 Sao Miguel d. 1951 HI
>> Maria Pimental b. 1893 Sao Miguel
>> Manuel Pimental b. 1899 HI
>> Helen Pimental b. 1904 HI
>>
>>
>> William Silva b.1875 Portugal d. Fort Sil, Oklahoma
>> SP. Alexandrina Melim b. Portugal
>>
>> My mothers paternal side:
>>
>> Henrique Jose Rapozo de Amaral  - Portugal
>> Sp Geronima Maria - Portugal
>>
>> Children:
>> Manoel Rapozo de Amaral b. 1826 Candalaria, Sao Miguel, d. 1904 HI
>> SP. Maria Agusta De Jesus Duarte b. 1830 Ginetes, Sao Miguel d. 1922 HI
>>
>>
>> Any help would be appreciated.  Would it be wise to post my lines for all
>> here to see and perhaps get feedback of links from other group members?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Tanya Smith
>> tanya808sm...@gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 2:26 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> The freguesias that touch Faja de Baixo are Faja de Cima (marriages
>>> begin 1837), Ponta Delgada (Sao Sebastiao church; marriages begin 1584),
>>> Sao Pedro in Ponta Delgada (1617) and Sao Roque (1622).  You can get all
>>> the dates of the ETombo site at www.etombo.pt
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
>>> Tainhas, Achada
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] there is no "DE Something" surnames in portuguese

[pico]

In regards the word "apelido" you will find natives in the Azores use it to also mean "alcunha" because that's exactly what I found on my two visits there. But when I inquired further, they did agree that nickname is better translated as alcunha.In regards "da" and other surname prefixes, when I recorded my three children's births at the county recorder, I gave them as one of their two middle names "da Rocha." But since they don't use lower case in California birth records, it comes out as "... DA ROCHA HOLMES." I suppose someone unfamiliar with Portuguese names might ask me or my children about their surname "da" because they have a neighbor also with the surname "da." :-)Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] there is no "DE Something" surnames in
portuguese
From: Cheri Mello 
Date: Mon, March 31, 2014 4:59 pm
To: Azores Genealogy 

Ricardo C,That's what I mean.  I think when the more recent people came to America and said their name was Da Silva or whatever, it is misunderstood and "Da" becomes part of their name.  Then they had kids who went to school here and they grow up thinking that their name is really "DaSilva" and not Silva. That's when they look at me like I'm crazy. I even had one guy tell me that his alcunha was "DaSilva" or whatever and his apelido was __.  I told him I was pretty sure he had the words alcunha and apelido switched around, but he said no, as he was a native speaker (born in California) and I wasn't.  I'm a native speaker of English born in America, but that doesn't make me an authority on American names and nicknames. Oh well.Cheri  





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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ribeira Grande Records

[Herb]

Hello 

It very well could be him. I just took another look at his death 
certificate  and it says  he died on 11 Dec 1952 at age 80.  If he was born 
in Jan 1871  and died in Dec 1952 he would have been 81 not 80 right? What 
do you make of this information Eliseu? Interesting that the Godfather was 
named Sousa and the adoptive father was named Silva but the age doesn't 
quite match up does it?

Herb

On Monday, March 31, 2014 4:05:39 PM UTC-4, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva wrote:

> HI,
>
> There is a José exposto that “fits” your José.
>
>  
>
> In the book of 1871, registry nº 24, folium 10, left, we can read:
>
>  
>
> Baptized at 8 February 1871, Matriz, Ribeira Grande. It says he was born 
> the day before. He was exposto number 1825 in the Roda da Câmara, Rua do 
> Val, Freguesia da Conceição.
>
>  
>
> He was given to be cared to Maria de Jesus married to Manuel da Silva, 
> both living at Rua Nova, Freguesia da Conceição.
>
>  
>
> Godfather was Jacinto de Sousa Galante, married man.
>
> God mother was Ana Joaquina, unmarried woman, she was enlisted to take 
> care of the expostos (The municipality paid a certain amount to those women 
> to raise the expostos given to them).
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *De:* azo...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> azo...@googlegroups.com ] *Em nome de *Herb
> *Enviada:* segunda-feira, 31 de Março de 2014 19:06
> *Para:* azo...@googlegroups.com 
> *Assunto:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ribeira Grande Records
>
>  
>
> Hi Eliseu
>
>  
>
> I  am looking for Jose Sousa Silva who married Cecilia da Conceicao 
> Pacheco on Feb 1892.   In fact I have their  marriage record, (married in 
> Sao Jose PD) what I am looking for is his baptism  He was an "exposto da 
> roda" from NS da Estrela RG,  and I was hoping to see who the Godparents 
> were or to possibly glean some little tid bit of information that may 
> be helpful to my search.  He died in 1952 at age 80, in Sao Jose, but he 
> would have been baptized at NS da Estrela on or about 1871-1872. 
>
>  
>
> thanks
>
>  
>
> Herb
>
> On Monday, March 31, 2014 12:20:44 PM UTC-4, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva wrote:
>
> Hi! 
> Are you looking for José de Sousa Silva married to Jorgina? Son of 
> Maximino and Guilhermina from Ribeira Seca, Ribeira Grande? 
>
>
> Eliseu Pacheco da Silva 
> Researching Açores (São Miguel and Graciosa) and Alentejo 
> ( http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel ) 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Still Looking for.Joseph Silva, Born 1830, I believe Flores. Went to boston, then came to Australia in 1855.

[Cheri Mello]

Lyn S/B,

If your ancestor stated on his own marriage certificate that his parents
were unknown, then he was one of those babies that was given up at the
church roda.  If you think he was born in Santa Cruz or Lajes on Flores,
you can look in those 2 freguesias for a baby Jose born to pais incognitos
on 1 Jan 1830.

I'm always suspicious of the January 1st date.  Too convenient.  But you
can look, nevertheless.


>
>  Cheri Mello
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Still Looking for.Joseph Silva, Born 1830, I believe Flores. Went to boston, then came to Australia in 1855.

[crazy6girl]

Azores Genealogy 
***
Hello. I hope someone can help me. I have been trying to get above this 
part of my Silva, Ancestry. for 8 years, now. But each time I get to my 
Great Great Grandfather, Joseph Silva, I hit a brick wall.  I have been 
told his Parents names, but, each time I check this out. the answers don't 
seem to fit.  So I am asking for some help  to find his Fathers and His 
Mothers Name. Sadly on his marriage certificate it is written Parents 
Unknown.  All his descendants are in place on my Ancestry. All his 
Children,  their Children , and down the line  even to my great Grandson. 
Below is the info I have on my Ancestry.com.au
Cheers
Lyn Silva/Budden
**
Joseph  SilvaYour 2nd great grandfatherBirth 1 Jan 1830 in Santa Cruz ou 
Lajes. Flores, The Azores.  Death 
*Living* 
Death 7 July 1896 in Maryborough, Victoria, Australia Joseph Silvaria M, 
#29097

**
1846 — Age: 16MassachusettsMaine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, and Vermont 
until 1855 Then came to Australia where he married and had many 
children.x15,  I believe.


1855. 19 Feb— Age: 25Captain Samuel Gore. Sorrento, Victoria. 
Australia.February 
19.-White Swallow, U.S. ship, 1192 tons. Samuel Gore, from Boston 21st 
November .Fix this text No passengers. Captain Gore, agent Clover and 
Edwards, agents Then came to Australia where he married and had many 
children.15, I believe. 
1869  26 Feb— Age: 
39Jones's Creek .The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. Friday 26 February 1869 Page 5, 
list of New Insolvents - Joseph Silva, Jones's Creek, miner. Causes of 
insolvency-Illness, want of employment, and losses in mining. Liabilities, 
£85 14s. ; assets, £3 7s. 0d. ; deficiency, £82 0s,
1870 — Age: 
40Carisbrook, 
Victoria, AustraliaAustralia Marriage Index, 1788-1950 about Joseph Silver 
Name: Joseph Silver [Joseph Silva] Spouse Name: Catherine (Rogan) Brogan.   
Marriage Place: Victoria Registration Place: Victoria Registration Year: 
1870 Registration number: 3950 
***1896   7 Jul— Age: 
66Maryborough, Victoria, Australia . Joseph Died from an abcess on the 
lung. http://www.chestnut-blue.com/Chestnut-o/i62.htm#s3223 Australia Death 
Index, 1787-1985 about Jos Silveria Name: Jos Silveria Death Place: 
Maryborough, Victoria Age: 66 Registration Year: 1896 Regi
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] there is no "DE Something" surnames in portuguese

[Cheri Mello]

Ricardo C,

That's what I mean.  I think when the more recent people came to America
and said their name was Da Silva or whatever, it is misunderstood and "Da"
becomes part of their name.  Then they had kids who went to school here and
they grow up thinking that their name is really "DaSilva" and not Silva.
That's when they look at me like I'm crazy.

I even had one guy tell me that his alcunha was "DaSilva" or whatever and
his apelido was __.  I told him I was pretty sure he had the words
alcunha and apelido switched around, but he said no, as he was a native
speaker (born in California) and I wasn't.  I'm a native speaker of English
born in America, but that doesn't make me an authority on American names
and nicknames.

Oh well.
Cheri


On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 12:11 PM, Ricardo Chaves  wrote:

> Sorry, i forgot to say,
>
> why do I see many times PT descendents in the US adopting this kind of
> surname?  DeMelo DeSousa DeSilva or DaSilva etc
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 7:08 PM, Ricardo Chaves wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> all that is called evolution! It has been "happening" here as time goes
>> by! I sure would find awkward if my name was Xaves instead of Chaves or
>> Joseph instead of José, or Joachim instead of Joaquim, etc.
>>
>>  If you are registered with a prefix in your name, you cannot simply
>> decide to "throw" it away. I am DA PONTE CHAVES, and legally in Portugal,
>> DA PONTE is part of my grandfather's surname.
>>
>> To be able to sign my name with out the prefix "DA" I had to request that
>> to "Registo" Civil, and ONLY in the signature, not in the government
>> system, Da is still part of my name in the ID card.
>>
>> For those who have born, I would say, in the past 100 years, and their
>> parents chose to remove the prefix from their inherited names, will
>> continue to be a Chaves or Sousa etc. even with out it, the prefix was
>> there for ages.
>>
>> Portuguese is an evolution of Latin as you probably all know, and names,
>> or should I say, surnames, either than those from royalty, also have
>> certain origins. Don't have for granted that for example "Jon doe da Fonte"
>> 400 years ago an ascendent of Jon doe de Fontes" 200 years later.
>>
>> PS: Cheri, there people here still using their original ascendent names,
>> including Mello with 2 L! :-)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> HI Eliseu,
>>>
>>> Try to explain that to people who immigrated to America a while ago and
>>> went to American schools.  Roll call...and their names are in the D
>>> section!  They seriously think their name begins with a D and they look at
>>> me like I'm crazy when I try to explain the pre-surname thing.
>>>
>>> But if we all did alphabetize by de, da, do, d'then a very large
>>> portion of Portuguese people would have surnames beginning with D!  That
>>> would be very strange!
>>>
>>> One of the tech help guys at The Master Genealogist was a De Silva.
>>> That drove me nuts.  It IS his legal name in America and they immigrated a
>>> long time ago.  And his Da got corrupted into a De.  And Hawaii is a whole
>>> different story because their spellings really got changed around.
>>>
>>> And I suppose people look at my name over in the Azores and think I
>>> can't spell.  Actually, I know that they think that.  When I used to write
>>> the archives, they wrote back to me as a  Melo, not Mello.  At my local
>>> Portuguese hall, they also spell my name Melo.  I know how to spell my
>>> legal name and I know that he emigrated in 1903 before the spelling change
>>> and that I carry the "old" spelling.  I just go with the flow.
>>>
>>> But yes, searches in Portuguese databases need to be done without
>>> de/da/do/d' and in American searches, try it every which way you can!
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
>>> Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA from parents

[Cheri Mello]

I'd call Customer Service at FTDNA on that one.
713-868-1438


On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 4:23 PM,  wrote:

> I just wrote a long and detailed message to my cousins in an attempt to
> convince some to get DNA testing and one of the points I brought up was the
> fact that we don't all get the same DNA from our parents which is proven
> because my nephew from my sister has at least one or two matches to people
> with Portuguese ancestry that I don't show as a match. And I went on to say
> that if my siblings were all tested (I have 6 siblings) there is a chance
> we could all represent a much higher percentage of the DNA from each of our
> parents. Maybe we could reach the level of close to 100% from each.
>
> So that leads me to my question. Does anyone know whether there is a way
> to check what DNA exactly was passed down to children by the parents? For
> instance, if one or two more of my siblings were to be tested, is there a
> way to know what percentage we have total from my father who also got the
> test? We'll never know that from my mother because she's long deceased,
> though perhaps that is also possible.
>
> It would be very interesting, because at my father's birthday party
> yesterday, two attendees were siblings and the only representatives from my
> deceased aunt's DNA. So if they both got the Family Finder test, could we
> then estimate how much DNA they two represent from their parents? Even
> though both are deceased, it seems they could figure it out by adding up
> what DNA is different for each of them and the total might be 150% of one
> person's own DNA, making the answer that they have maybe 75% of the DNA the
> two parents had and 25% of each person's DNA is different than the other
> sibling. This is all just wild play with numbers, but you should be able to
> follow me. Just simple math.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Doug da Rocha Holmes
> Sacramento, California
> Pico & Terceira Genealogist
> 916-550-1618
> www.dholmes.com
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Parishes surrounding Fajã de Baixo, P.D.

[Cheri Mello]

Tanya S,

Go to the Azores GenWeb here.  There will be a different map there soon,
but in the meantime, scroll down:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw/saomiguel.html

Freguesia are alphabetical.  Scroll down to Candaleria and note it's in
Ponta Delgada.  The keep on scrolling to Ginetes and note it's also in
Ponta Delgada.  You will also see that there's a direct link to the CCA
records from the Azores GenWeb site.  Or if you prefer the format or layout
of the ETombo.pt site, use that.  Or if you wan the 10 at a time, use the
CCA site.  It's just cross referenced everywhere.

I would not post my lines to a thread titled Faja de Baixo.  Start a new
thread and post the husband and wife and their kids.  After getting answers
on that, then post a new couple in a new thread.

Cheri Mello


On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 1:47 PM, Tanya Smith wrote:

> Hi Cheri,
>
> I followed your link www.etombo.pt and is looking to research church
> records of my GG Grandfather - I went as far as Sao Miguel on the sight but
> did not know where to go from there.
>
>
>
> Municípios
>Lagoa   211   Nordeste  276  
>  Ponta
> Delgada   934   Povoação  208   
> Ribeira
> Grande   0   Vila Franca do 
> Campo 226
>
>
> I listed my lines below.  I only have villages for a couple of them on my
> mothers paternal side.  Ginetes and Candelaria.  Can you steer me in the
> right direction?  Also are these type of etombo records the same as this
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/ ?
>
>
>
> My mothers maternal side:
>
> Joao Pimental - b.1864 Sao Miguel, Azores, d, 1930 HI
> SP. Rosa De Jesus( b. 1866 Sao Miguel, Azores, d. ?
>
> Children:
> Jacintho Pimental b. 1885 Sao Miguel d. 1951 HI
> Maria Pimental b. 1893 Sao Miguel
> Manuel Pimental b. 1899 HI
> Helen Pimental b. 1904 HI
>
>
> William Silva b.1875 Portugal d. Fort Sil, Oklahoma
> SP. Alexandrina Melim b. Portugal
>
> My mothers paternal side:
>
> Henrique Jose Rapozo de Amaral  - Portugal
> Sp Geronima Maria - Portugal
>
> Children:
> Manoel Rapozo de Amaral b. 1826 Candalaria, Sao Miguel, d. 1904 HI
> SP. Maria Agusta De Jesus Duarte b. 1830 Ginetes, Sao Miguel d. 1922 HI
>
>
> Any help would be appreciated.  Would it be wise to post my lines for all
> here to see and perhaps get feedback of links from other group members?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tanya Smith
> tanya808sm...@gmail.com
>
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 2:26 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> The freguesias that touch Faja de Baixo are Faja de Cima (marriages begin
>> 1837), Ponta Delgada (Sao Sebastiao church; marriages begin 1584), Sao
>> Pedro in Ponta Delgada (1617) and Sao Roque (1622).  You can get all the
>> dates of the ETombo site at www.etombo.pt
>>
>> Cheri Mello
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[AZORES-Genealogy] DNA from parents

[pico]

I just wrote a long and detailed message to my cousins in an attempt to convince some to get DNA testing and one of the points I brought up was the fact that we don't all get the same DNA from our parents which is proven because my nephew from my sister has at least one or two matches to people with Portuguese ancestry that I don't show as a match. And I went on to say that if my siblings were all tested (I have 6 siblings) there is a chance we could all represent a much higher percentage of the DNA from each of our parents. Maybe we could reach the level of close to 100% from each.So that leads me to my question. Does anyone know whether there is a way to check what DNA exactly was passed down to children by the parents? For instance, if one or two more of my siblings were to be tested, is there a way to know what percentage we have total from my father who also got the test? We'll never know that from my mother because she's long deceased, though perhaps that is also possible.It would be very interesting, because at my father's birthday party yesterday, two attendees were siblings and the only representatives from my deceased aunt's DNA. So if they both got the Family Finder test, could we then estimate how much DNA they two represent from their parents? Even though both are deceased, it seems they could figure it out by adding up what DNA is different for each of them and the total might be 150% of one person's own DNA, making the answer that they have maybe 75% of the DNA the two parents had and 25% of each person's DNA is different than the other sibling. This is all just wild play with numbers, but you should be able to follow me. Just simple math.Thanks,Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: there is no "DE Something" surnames in portuguese

[Ângela Loura]

My great uncle had to let the "de" go as part of the naturalization (and
keep only 1 of his 2 family names, "by order of court"). Maybe the other
choise he was given was to "change" the name to "DeLoura". But that still
doesn't change the fact that he is "Loura" in his birth and baptism
records.
People should learn about their origins, including their family name...


2014-03-31 21:25 GMT+01:00 Dano :

> Good going, Eliseu, most of the time, they don't get the prefix right
> anyway. Well what can you expect from people who don't know that St.
> Michael, and, St George in Portuguese is Sao Miguel and Sao Jorge.
>
>
> On Monday, March 31, 2014 1:30:06 PM UTC-4, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva wrote:
>>
>> Hi!
>>
>> Someone told me that she could not find anyone at my web page... after a
>> while I realized why!!! She was looking for DE PACHECO or DA SILVA or other
>> DE/DA/DO/DOS combinations:
>>
>>
>>
>> -  There is no Portuguese surnames such as: DE (DA/DAS/DO/DOS)
>> COSTA, DE SILVA, DE AMARAL!!!
>>
>>
>>
>> As an example, if you look for a "*DE Something"* surname at my web page
>> (or at many others) you will get nothing!
>>
>>
>>
>> Please remember that a Sousa is never a DE SOUSA. The DE is there just to
>> link the surnames.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hope it helps...
>>
>>
>>
>> *Eliseu Pacheco da Silva*
>>
>> Researching Açores (São Miguel and Graciosa) and Alentejo
>>
>> ( http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel )
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Júlia da Encarnaçao (1862)

[Joseph Costa]

p.s.  the couple from the 1700s were both born and married at Ponta Garça - NS 
de Piedade.

On Mar 31, 2014, at 6:04 PM, JR  wrote:

> Yes, that's what I have. So it seems there are two couples by the same name 
> of Francisco Furtado with Maria Jacinta, about the same period. I gave Joseph 
> the line I have, but now that you have raised it, he is going to have to 
> verify which couple is his ancestor.
> 
> JR
> 
> On Monday, March 31, 2014 5:30:01 PM UTC-4, Shirley Allegre wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know if Francisco Furtado X Maria Jacinta had a daughter 
> MEGUELINA DE JESUS ROSA that married a JOSE ANTONIO DE MEDEIROS in
> Ribeira Quente, on 17 July 1843
>  
> Shirley in CA
> - Original Message -
> From: Joseph Costa
> To: azo...@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 1:25 PM
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Júlia da Encarnaçao (1862)
> 
> Hi all.  I’m looking to see if anyone has any information on my great 
> grandmother’s ancestry.  
> 
> Here is her information:  Júlia da Encarnaçao b. 22 Mar 1862 at Ribeira 
> Quente to Francisco Furtado and Maria Jacinta;  m. Jose da Costa 24 Jan 1889, 
> Matriz  (Note:  I have Jose’s ancestry.  I’m just looking for Julia’s).  
> Thanks for any help you can offer!
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Júlia da Encarnaçao (1862)

[Joseph Costa]

There two couples but they are distinct.
1)Francisco Furtado (my 2nd great grandfather) x Maria Jacinta  -- married 15 
Dec 1856.

2) Francisco Furtado (my 4th great grandfather and the grandfather of the 1st 
one) x Maria Jacinta (this is the couple that Shirley is talking about) --  he 
was born in 1776 and she in 1778.  They married each other on Nov 29, 1796.  
The only child I have listed is Manuel (my 3rd great grandfather).  I haven't 
found their other children.


On Mar 31, 2014, at 6:04 PM, JR  wrote:

> Yes, that's what I have. So it seems there are two couples by the same name 
> of Francisco Furtado with Maria Jacinta, about the same period. I gave Joseph 
> the line I have, but now that you have raised it, he is going to have to 
> verify which couple is his ancestor.
> 
> JR
> 
> On Monday, March 31, 2014 5:30:01 PM UTC-4, Shirley Allegre wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know if Francisco Furtado X Maria Jacinta had a daughter 
> MEGUELINA DE JESUS ROSA that married a JOSE ANTONIO DE MEDEIROS in
> Ribeira Quente, on 17 July 1843
>  
> Shirley in CA
> - Original Message -
> From: Joseph Costa
> To: azo...@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 1:25 PM
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Júlia da Encarnaçao (1862)
> 
> Hi all.  I’m looking to see if anyone has any information on my great 
> grandmother’s ancestry.  
> 
> Here is her information:  Júlia da Encarnaçao b. 22 Mar 1862 at Ribeira 
> Quente to Francisco Furtado and Maria Jacinta;  m. Jose da Costa 24 Jan 1889, 
> Matriz  (Note:  I have Jose’s ancestry.  I’m just looking for Julia’s).  
> Thanks for any help you can offer!
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Verissimo Family

[terceira]

Interesting. I didn't know about this branch in Graciosa.Did you ever happen to look into DNA testing?I wrote about it here and maybe it will help you decide:www.dholmes.com/dna.htmlSo it seems to me you have a branch of ancestors from Terceira, or maybe these are just your in-laws?Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaTerceira Genealogist916-550-1618Website: www.dholmes.com


 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Verissimo Family
From: max leite 
Date: Mon, March 31, 2014 2:15 pm
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Cc: terce...@dholmes.com

are they related to the Verissimo-leite in graciosa  VerissimoOn Monday, January 7, 2013 7:42:56 PM UTC-5, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote:Dan,I know this Terceira family.Contact me here if interested:terc...@dholmes.comDoug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com    Original Message  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Verissimo Family From: Dan Goodman  Date: Mon, January 07, 2013 4:13 pm To: Azores Genealogy   Looking for information about the Verissimo family. Jose Amaro Verissimo was born 17 Jan 1887 in Terceira. His parents are Amaro Verissimo and Maria Adelaide.  -- 





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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Júlia da Encarnaçao (1862)

[JR]

Yes, that's what I have. So it seems there are two couples by the same name 
of Francisco Furtado with Maria Jacinta, about the same period. I gave 
Joseph the line I have, but now that you have raised it, he is going to 
have to verify which couple is his ancestor.

JR

On Monday, March 31, 2014 5:30:01 PM UTC-4, Shirley Allegre wrote:
>
>  
> Does anyone know if Francisco Furtado X Maria Jacinta had a daughter 
> MEGUELINA DE JESUS ROSA that married a JOSE ANTONIO DE MEDEIROS in
> Ribeira Quente, on 17 July 1843
>  
> Shirley in CA
>
> - Original Message - 
> *From:* Joseph Costa  
> *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com  
> *Sent:* Friday, March 28, 2014 1:25 PM
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Júlia da Encarnaçao (1862)
>
> Hi all.  I’m looking to see if anyone has any information on my great 
> grandmother’s ancestry.   
>
> Here is her information:  Júlia da Encarnaçao b. 22 Mar 1862 at Ribeira 
> Quente to Francisco Furtado and Maria Jacinta;  m. Jose da Costa 24 Jan 
> 1889, Matriz  (Note:  I have Jose’s ancestry.  I’m just looking for 
> Julia’s).  Thanks for any help you can offer!
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Júlia da Encarnaçao (1862)

[Shirley Allegre]

Does anyone know if Francisco Furtado X Maria Jacinta had a daughter MEGUELINA 
DE JESUS ROSA that married a JOSE ANTONIO DE MEDEIROS in
Ribeira Quente, on 17 July 1843

Shirley in CA
  - Original Message - 
  From: Joseph Costa 
  To: azores@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 1:25 PM
  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Júlia da Encarnaçao (1862)


  Hi all.  I’m looking to see if anyone has any information on my great 
grandmother’s ancestry.  


  Here is her information:  Júlia da Encarnaçao b. 22 Mar 1862 at Ribeira 
Quente to Francisco Furtado and Maria Jacinta;  m. Jose da Costa 24 Jan 1889, 
Matriz  (Note:  I have Jose’s ancestry.  I’m just looking for Julia’s).  Thanks 
for any help you can offer!

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Verissimo Family

[max leite]

are they related to the Verissimo-leite in graciosa  VerissimoOn Monday, 
January 7, 2013 7:42:56 PM UTC-5, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote:
>
> Dan,
>
> I know this Terceira family.
> Contact me here if interested:
> terc...@dholmes.com 
>
>
> Doug da Rocha Holmes
> Sacramento, California
> Pico Genealogist
> 916-550-1618
> www.dholmes.com
>
>
>   Original Message 
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Verissimo Family
> From: Dan Goodman >
> Date: Mon, January 07, 2013 4:13 pm
> To: Azores Genealogy >
>
> Looking for information about the Verissimo family. Jose Amaro
> Verissimo was born 17 Jan 1887 in Terceira. His parents are Amaro
> Verissimo and Maria Adelaide.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Parishes surrounding Fajã de Baixo, P.D.

[Tanya Smith]

Hi Cheri,

I followed your link www.etombo.pt and is looking to research church
records of my GG Grandfather - I went as far as Sao Miguel on the sight but
did not know where to go from there.



Municípios
   Lagoa   211   Nordeste
 276   Ponta
Delgada   934   Povoação
 208   Ribeira
Grande   0   Vila Franca do
Campo 226


I listed my lines below.  I only have villages for a couple of them on my
mothers paternal side.  Ginetes and Candelaria.  Can you steer me in the
right direction?  Also are these type of etombo records the same as this
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/ ?



My mothers maternal side:

Joao Pimental - b.1864 Sao Miguel, Azores, d, 1930 HI
SP. Rosa De Jesus( b. 1866 Sao Miguel, Azores, d. ?

Children:
Jacintho Pimental b. 1885 Sao Miguel d. 1951 HI
Maria Pimental b. 1893 Sao Miguel
Manuel Pimental b. 1899 HI
Helen Pimental b. 1904 HI


William Silva b.1875 Portugal d. Fort Sil, Oklahoma
SP. Alexandrina Melim b. Portugal

My mothers paternal side:

Henrique Jose Rapozo de Amaral  - Portugal
Sp Geronima Maria - Portugal

Children:
Manoel Rapozo de Amaral b. 1826 Candalaria, Sao Miguel, d. 1904 HI
SP. Maria Agusta De Jesus Duarte b. 1830 Ginetes, Sao Miguel d. 1922 HI


Any help would be appreciated.  Would it be wise to post my lines for all
here to see and perhaps get feedback of links from other group members?

Thanks,

Tanya Smith
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On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 2:26 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> The freguesias that touch Faja de Baixo are Faja de Cima (marriages begin
> 1837), Ponta Delgada (Sao Sebastiao church; marriages begin 1584), Sao
> Pedro in Ponta Delgada (1617) and Sao Roque (1622).  You can get all the
> dates of the ETombo site at www.etombo.pt
>
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> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
> Tainhas, Achada
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: there is no "DE Something" surnames in portuguese

[Dano]

Good going, Eliseu, most of the time, they don't get the prefix right 
anyway. Well what can you expect from people who don't know that St. 
Michael, and, St George in Portuguese is Sao Miguel and Sao Jorge.

On Monday, March 31, 2014 1:30:06 PM UTC-4, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva wrote:
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> Hi!
>
> Someone told me that she could not find anyone at my web page… after a 
> while I realized why!!! She was looking for DE PACHECO or DA SILVA or other 
> DE/DA/DO/DOS combinations:
>
>  
>
> -  There is no Portuguese surnames such as: DE (DA/DAS/DO/DOS) 
> COSTA, DE SILVA, DE AMARAL!!!
>
>  
>
> As an example, if you look for a “*DE Something”* surname at my web page 
> (or at many others) you will get nothing!
>
>  
>
> Please remember that a Sousa is never a DE SOUSA. The DE is there just to 
> link the surnames.
>
>  
>
> Hope it helps…
>
>  
>
> *Eliseu Pacheco da Silva*
>
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>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] CARVALHO - Santa Maria Island - Santo Espirito

[Shirley Allegre]

I have Manoel de Mello X Anna Moura from Sao Pedro - Santa Maria island.
Manoel was born about 1648.

Shirley in CA
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  Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 7:05 AM
  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] CARVALHO - Santa Maria Island - Santo Espirito


  Hi Altino, sorry it took so long to get back to you - I truly didn't see the 
message until today. Anyway, Cheri and I shared databases some umpteen billion 
years ago. Pretty much nothing has changed w/ the Mello links since then, 
except that I've had a chance to hone in and get more data on the individuals 
in that category. I have approximately 190 Mello links. However, I'm in the 
process of upgrading my computer system at present -  I should be able to send 
you some data soon.

  On Saturday, February 8, 2014 6:10:25 PM UTC-5, Altino 
DPaiva, Cheri, and I have Mello's from Ponta Garca too. It would be 
interesting to see if our lines connect. 

demelo...@yahoo.com 

Sent from my iPad 

> On Feb 8, 2014, at 5:48 PM, Dano  wrote: 
> 
> Ola, Ricardo, 
> You said the magic words [Mello/Santa Maria]. My Mello links, however, 
are from Sao Pedro, and date back before much of the written records that still 
exist. I was hoping to find some type of historic account that covers at least 
the link-up period [1687]. My [Mellos] originally settled in Povoacao before 
1700, and relocated to Ponta Garca a short time later. Let me know if you care 
to share notes. 
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  On Saturday, February 8, 2014 6:10:25 PM UTC-5, Altino wrote:
DPaiva, Cheri, and I have Mello's from Ponta Garca too. It would be 
interesting to see if our lines connect. 

demelo...@yahoo.com 

Sent from my iPad 

> On Feb 8, 2014, at 5:48 PM, Dano  wrote: 
> 
> Ola, Ricardo, 
> You said the magic words [Mello/Santa Maria]. My Mello links, however, 
are from Sao Pedro, and date back before much of the written records that still 
exist. I was hoping to find some type of historic account that covers at least 
the link-up period [1687]. My [Mellos] originally settled in Povoacao before 
1700, and relocated to Ponta Garca a short time later. Let me know if you care 
to share notes. 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ribeira Grande Records

[Eliseu Pacheco da Silva]

HI,

There is a José exposto that “fits” your José.

 

In the book of 1871, registry nº 24, folium 10, left, we can read:

 

Baptized at 8 February 1871, Matriz, Ribeira Grande. It says he was born the 
day before. He was exposto number 1825 in the Roda da Câmara, Rua do Val, 
Freguesia da Conceição.

 

He was given to be cared to Maria de Jesus married to Manuel da Silva, both 
living at Rua Nova, Freguesia da Conceição.

 

Godfather was Jacinto de Sousa Galante, married man.

God mother was Ana Joaquina, unmarried woman, she was enlisted to take care of 
the expostos (The municipality paid a certain amount to those women to raise 
the expostos given to them).

 

 

De: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de Herb
Enviada: segunda-feira, 31 de Março de 2014 19:06
Para: azores@googlegroups.com
Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ribeira Grande Records

 

Hi Eliseu

 

I  am looking for Jose Sousa Silva who married Cecilia da Conceicao Pacheco on 
Feb 1892.   In fact I have their  marriage record, (married in Sao Jose PD) 
what I am looking for is his baptism  He was an "exposto da roda" from NS da 
Estrela RG,  and I was hoping to see who the Godparents were or to possibly 
glean some little tid bit of information that may be helpful to my search.  He 
died in 1952 at age 80, in Sao Jose, but he would have been baptized at NS da 
Estrela on or about 1871-1872. 

 

thanks

 

Herb

On Monday, March 31, 2014 12:20:44 PM UTC-4, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva wrote:

Hi! 
Are you looking for José de Sousa Silva married to Jorgina? Son of Maximino and 
Guilhermina from Ribeira Seca, Ribeira Grande? 


Eliseu Pacheco da Silva 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] there is no "DE Something" surnames in portuguese

[Ricardo Chaves]

Sorry, i forgot to say,

why do I see many times PT descendents in the US adopting this kind of
surname?  DeMelo DeSousa DeSilva or DaSilva etc


On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 7:08 PM, Ricardo Chaves  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> all that is called evolution! It has been "happening" here as time goes
> by! I sure would find awkward if my name was Xaves instead of Chaves or
> Joseph instead of José, or Joachim instead of Joaquim, etc.
>
>  If you are registered with a prefix in your name, you cannot simply
> decide to "throw" it away. I am DA PONTE CHAVES, and legally in Portugal,
> DA PONTE is part of my grandfather's surname.
>
> To be able to sign my name with out the prefix "DA" I had to request that
> to "Registo" Civil, and ONLY in the signature, not in the government
> system, Da is still part of my name in the ID card.
>
> For those who have born, I would say, in the past 100 years, and their
> parents chose to remove the prefix from their inherited names, will
> continue to be a Chaves or Sousa etc. even with out it, the prefix was
> there for ages.
>
> Portuguese is an evolution of Latin as you probably all know, and names,
> or should I say, surnames, either than those from royalty, also have
> certain origins. Don't have for granted that for example "Jon doe da Fonte"
> 400 years ago an ascendent of Jon doe de Fontes" 200 years later.
>
> PS: Cheri, there people here still using their original ascendent names,
> including Mello with 2 L! :-)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> HI Eliseu,
>>
>> Try to explain that to people who immigrated to America a while ago and
>> went to American schools.  Roll call...and their names are in the D
>> section!  They seriously think their name begins with a D and they look at
>> me like I'm crazy when I try to explain the pre-surname thing.
>>
>> But if we all did alphabetize by de, da, do, d'then a very large
>> portion of Portuguese people would have surnames beginning with D!  That
>> would be very strange!
>>
>> One of the tech help guys at The Master Genealogist was a De Silva.  That
>> drove me nuts.  It IS his legal name in America and they immigrated a long
>> time ago.  And his Da got corrupted into a De.  And Hawaii is a whole
>> different story because their spellings really got changed around.
>>
>> And I suppose people look at my name over in the Azores and think I can't
>> spell.  Actually, I know that they think that.  When I used to write the
>> archives, they wrote back to me as a  Melo, not Mello.  At my local
>> Portuguese hall, they also spell my name Melo.  I know how to spell my
>> legal name and I know that he emigrated in 1903 before the spelling change
>> and that I carry the "old" spelling.  I just go with the flow.
>>
>> But yes, searches in Portuguese databases need to be done without
>> de/da/do/d' and in American searches, try it every which way you can!
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
>> Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ribeira Grande Records

[Herb]

yes they would be part of the Ribeira Grande records

On Monday, March 31, 2014 9:55:19 AM UTC-4, Joanne wrote:
>
> João,
> I'm waiting for records from Rabo de Peixe - would they be part of this 
> site?
>
> *Joanne*
>
> *Joanne Medeiros Grota Mercier*
> Researching Bretanha (Medeiros Grota, Benevides, deSouza), Lagoa (Luiz, 
> d'Oliveira Homem) and Rabo de Peixe (Martins Gouveia)
>
>
>
> On Mar 31, 2014, at 9:33 AM, João Ventura > 
> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Just remembered one thing. A few of the Ribeira Grande (Matriz) records 
> are available here:
>
>
> http://arquivodigital.uac.pt/yii/arquivodigital/index.php?r=site/page&view=arg
>
> I'd already announced it on this list before, but you may have missed it.
>
> Regards,
>
> João Ventura
> http://tombo.pt/en
>
> On Sunday, 30 March 2014 16:02:39 UTC+2, Herb wrote:
>>
>> Hi Everyone
>>
>> Many of my ancestors are  from the Ribeira Grande, Sao Miguel area.  I 
>> would say that probably more are from that area of Sao Miguel than any 
>> other, with the exception of maybe the villages of Nordeste. Has anyone 
>> heard when the baptism and marriage records for  Ribeira Grande  will be 
>> posted to the CCA site?
>>
>> Herb
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] there is no "DE Something" surnames in portuguese

[Ricardo Chaves]

Hi,

all that is called evolution! It has been "happening" here as time goes by!
I sure would find awkward if my name was Xaves instead of Chaves or Joseph
instead of José, or Joachim instead of Joaquim, etc.

 If you are registered with a prefix in your name, you cannot simply decide
to "throw" it away. I am DA PONTE CHAVES, and legally in Portugal, DA PONTE
is part of my grandfather's surname.

To be able to sign my name with out the prefix "DA" I had to request that
to "Registo" Civil, and ONLY in the signature, not in the government
system, Da is still part of my name in the ID card.

For those who have born, I would say, in the past 100 years, and their
parents chose to remove the prefix from their inherited names, will
continue to be a Chaves or Sousa etc. even with out it, the prefix was
there for ages.

Portuguese is an evolution of Latin as you probably all know, and names, or
should I say, surnames, either than those from royalty, also have certain
origins. Don't have for granted that for example "Jon doe da Fonte" 400
years ago an ascendent of Jon doe de Fontes" 200 years later.

PS: Cheri, there people here still using their original ascendent names,
including Mello with 2 L! :-)






On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> HI Eliseu,
>
> Try to explain that to people who immigrated to America a while ago and
> went to American schools.  Roll call...and their names are in the D
> section!  They seriously think their name begins with a D and they look at
> me like I'm crazy when I try to explain the pre-surname thing.
>
> But if we all did alphabetize by de, da, do, d'then a very large
> portion of Portuguese people would have surnames beginning with D!  That
> would be very strange!
>
> One of the tech help guys at The Master Genealogist was a De Silva.  That
> drove me nuts.  It IS his legal name in America and they immigrated a long
> time ago.  And his Da got corrupted into a De.  And Hawaii is a whole
> different story because their spellings really got changed around.
>
> And I suppose people look at my name over in the Azores and think I can't
> spell.  Actually, I know that they think that.  When I used to write the
> archives, they wrote back to me as a  Melo, not Mello.  At my local
> Portuguese hall, they also spell my name Melo.  I know how to spell my
> legal name and I know that he emigrated in 1903 before the spelling change
> and that I carry the "old" spelling.  I just go with the flow.
>
> But yes, searches in Portuguese databases need to be done without
> de/da/do/d' and in American searches, try it every which way you can!
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
> Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ribeira Grande Records

[Herb]

Hi Eliseu

I  am looking for Jose Sousa Silva who married Cecilia da Conceicao Pacheco 
on Feb 1892.   In fact I have their  marriage record, (married in Sao Jose 
PD) what I am looking for is his baptism  He was an "exposto da roda" from 
NS da Estrela RG,  and I was hoping to see who the Godparents were or to 
possibly glean some little tid bit of information that may be helpful to my 
search.  He died in 1952 at age 80, in Sao Jose, but he would have been 
baptized at NS da Estrela on or about 1871-1872. 

thanks

Herb

On Monday, March 31, 2014 12:20:44 PM UTC-4, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva wrote:

> Hi! 
> Are you looking for José de Sousa Silva married to Jorgina? Son of 
> Maximino and Guilhermina from Ribeira Seca, Ribeira Grande? 
>
>
> Eliseu Pacheco da Silva 
> Researching Açores (São Miguel and Graciosa) and Alentejo 
> ( http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel ) 
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>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Tony Capodicci

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My Dear Azores Group Family, 

I am writing to let you know that my husband, Tony, passed away this past 
Friday. I have spoken with my girls and other family members and they are all 
encouraging me to go to Salt Lake City and teach at the Conference. Cheri told 
me that there were several people wondering about that fact. I promise that I 
will be there, God willing! 

If you would like to send me an email, please address it to my home addy not 
the List. 

Thank you all, Rosemarie 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] there is no "DE Something" surnames in portuguese

[Eliseu Pacheco da Silva]

Hi Cheri!

 

Of course you are right. 

Just makes me "crazy" because people always say they can not find this and
this at my data base.

I think it is worth to let them know this once in a while. they need to know
that there is a difference!

When I research in Holland I do not research with Portuguese premises I do
it with "hollandish" premises!!!

 

Anyway, it is always nice to hear from you!

 

Ps - keep up the good work!

 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] there is no "DE Something" surnames in portuguese

[Cheri Mello]

HI Eliseu,

Try to explain that to people who immigrated to America a while ago and
went to American schools.  Roll call...and their names are in the D
section!  They seriously think their name begins with a D and they look at
me like I'm crazy when I try to explain the pre-surname thing.

But if we all did alphabetize by de, da, do, d'then a very large
portion of Portuguese people would have surnames beginning with D!  That
would be very strange!

One of the tech help guys at The Master Genealogist was a De Silva.  That
drove me nuts.  It IS his legal name in America and they immigrated a long
time ago.  And his Da got corrupted into a De.  And Hawaii is a whole
different story because their spellings really got changed around.

And I suppose people look at my name over in the Azores and think I can't
spell.  Actually, I know that they think that.  When I used to write the
archives, they wrote back to me as a  Melo, not Mello.  At my local
Portuguese hall, they also spell my name Melo.  I know how to spell my
legal name and I know that he emigrated in 1903 before the spelling change
and that I carry the "old" spelling.  I just go with the flow.

But yes, searches in Portuguese databases need to be done without
de/da/do/d' and in American searches, try it every which way you can!

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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[AZORES-Genealogy] there is no "DE Something" surnames in portuguese

[Eliseu Pacheco da Silva]

Hi!

Someone told me that she could not find anyone at my web page... after a while
I realized why!!! She was looking for DE PACHECO or DA SILVA or other
DE/DA/DO/DOS combinations:

 

-  There is no Portuguese surnames such as: DE (DA/DAS/DO/DOS)
COSTA, DE SILVA, DE AMARAL!!!

 

As an example, if you look for a "DE Something" surname at my web page (or
at many others) you will get nothing!

 

Please remember that a Sousa is never a DE SOUSA. The DE is there just to
link the surnames.

 

Hope it helps...

 

Eliseu Pacheco da Silva

Researching Açores (São Miguel and Graciosa) and Alentejo

( http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel )

 

 

 

 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ribeira Grande Records

[Eliseu Pacheco da Silva]

Hi!
Are you looking for José de Sousa Silva married to Jorgina? Son of Maximino and 
Guilhermina from Ribeira Seca, Ribeira Grande?


Eliseu Pacheco da Silva
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help to understand

[Ubirajara Jales de Lira]

Hello,

I found the name of my grandmother: Josefa Gomes de Oliveira. I need that 
somebody tell if the name of her father is José Gomes de Oliveira with this 
record: 
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-17231-8159-10?cc=2177294&wc=M78D-2M3:371343201,371343202,371434201.

Now, I need that somebody look at this record and tell me if they are her 
parents: José Cosme d'Oliveira and Maria Magdalena do 
Rosário: 
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-17248-37531-35?cc=2177294&wc=M786-H68:371343201,371343202,371524201
 
and 
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-17248-36808-37?cc=2177294&wc=M786-H68:371343201,371343202,371524201.

I need that somebody tell me what are the names on the record and the names 
their parents.

Please, help me.

Sincerely,

Ubirajara Jales de Lira.



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ribeira Grande Records

[Joanne Mercier]

João,
I'm waiting for records from Rabo de Peixe - would they be part of this site?

Joanne

Joanne Medeiros Grota Mercier
Researching Bretanha (Medeiros Grota, Benevides, deSouza), Lagoa (Luiz, 
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On Mar 31, 2014, at 9:33 AM, João Ventura  wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> 
> Just remembered one thing. A few of the Ribeira Grande (Matriz) records are 
> available here:
> 
> http://arquivodigital.uac.pt/yii/arquivodigital/index.php?r=site/page&view=arg
> 
> I'd already announced it on this list before, but you may have missed it.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> João Ventura
> http://tombo.pt/en
> 
> On Sunday, 30 March 2014 16:02:39 UTC+2, Herb wrote:
> Hi Everyone
> 
> Many of my ancestors are  from the Ribeira Grande, Sao Miguel area.  I would 
> say that probably more are from that area of Sao Miguel than any other, with 
> the exception of maybe the villages of Nordeste. Has anyone heard when the 
> baptism and marriage records for  Ribeira Grande  will be posted to the CCA 
> site?
> 
> Herb
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ribeira Grande Records

[João Ventura]

Hi everyone,

Just remembered one thing. A few of the Ribeira Grande (Matriz) records are 
available here:

http://arquivodigital.uac.pt/yii/arquivodigital/index.php?r=site/page&view=arg

I'd already announced it on this list before, but you may have missed it.

Regards,

João Ventura
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On Sunday, 30 March 2014 16:02:39 UTC+2, Herb wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone
>
> Many of my ancestors are  from the Ribeira Grande, Sao Miguel area.  I 
> would say that probably more are from that area of Sao Miguel than any 
> other, with the exception of maybe the villages of Nordeste. Has anyone 
> heard when the baptism and marriage records for  Ribeira Grande  will be 
> posted to the CCA site?
>
> Herb
>

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