Re: [steering-discuss] Re: confcall tomorrow
Hi all! Am Freitag, den 28.10.2011, 16:17 +0100 schrieb Charles-H. Schulz: > Le Fri, 28 Oct 2011 12:45:38 +0200, > Italo Vignoli a écrit : > > > On 10/28/2011 12:05 PM, Florian Effenberger wrote: > > > > > tomorrow, at 1400 UTC, the next conference call takes place. Right > > > now, we are in a transition phase from the Steering Committee to > > > the Board of Directors, so I would like to explicitly invite those > > > who are new with us to join this call. It would be ideal if we had > > > most SC and BoD members to hand over the duties. > And I just got the news that a family reunion I thought would start > around 6:30 would actually start much earlier, around 15:30. So I won't > be available... this sucks. I'll do better next time. Same for me ... most probably, I'll still be on the road tomorrow. If possible (but chances are low), I'll join ... however, my best wishes to the new BoD members. And thanks to the recent SC for handling stuff during this exciting first year :-) Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Wednesday's call
Hi Florian, thanks for the ping ... I'll have to check my schedule at work; if I remember correctly, I do have another call to the US at the same time. At the moment, there is only the "donation button for nonprofits" that might need a quorum. Is that right - or is this just a discussion? Cheers, Christoph Am Montag, den 03.10.2011, 09:02 +0200 schrieb Florian Effenberger: > Hello, > > I might not be able to join Wednesday's call until the end - I have a > meeting at 1700 UTC, and the call starts at 1600 UTC. > > In case we have the need for a quorum, I'd like to ask my deputy > Christoph Noack to jump in if possible. > > Florian > > -- > Florian Effenberger > Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation > Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 > Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[steering-discuss] SC Meeting: Minutes Draft, 2011-09-07
Hi all, here is the minutes draft of the today's SC meeting: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Steering_Committee_Meetings#Minutes_2011-09-07 @ SC members and deputies: Please review the meeting minutes to make sure everything is correct (especially since we've discussed so many topics). Otherwise, you might miss an action item that has been accidentally assigned to you ;-))) Thanks for attending and reviewing! Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Vote: decision on screenshots
+1 (deputy's vote, although "real" SC members already voted) Cheers, christoph Am Freitag, den 19.08.2011, 10:52 +0200 schrieb Charles-H. Schulz: > +1 > > Charles. > Le 19 août 2011 10:11, "Olivier Hallot" < > olivier.hal...@documentfoundation.org> a écrit : > > > > > > Em 19-08-2011 04:59, Sophie Gautier escreveu: > >> Hi, > >> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 9:55 AM, Caolan McNamara wrote: > >>> On Thu, 2011-08-18 at 23:54 +0200, Thorsten Behrens wrote: > Florian Effenberger wrote: > > "Screenshots for documentation, website and marketing should > > preferably be taken on GNU/Linux, but may also be taken on any other > > operating system. > > > > The Steering Committee recommends a consistent visual appearance > > (e.g. theming and branding) for the screenshots taken on the > > selected operating system. It is up to the LibreOffice community how > > to achieve that consistency." > > > +1 > >>> +1 > >> +1 > >> Sophie > > +1 > > > > -- > > Olivier Hallot > > Founder, Steering Commitee Member - The Document Foundation > > Voicing the enterprise needs > > LibreOffice translation leader for Brazilian Portuguese > > +55-21-8822-8812 > > > > > > -- > > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to > steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org > > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > > List archive: > http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ > > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] next SC call on Saturday
Hi Florian, all, just a short info: since we've got an invitation for today, I can't join today. I hope the others are able to... so family:LibreOffice is 1:0 :-) Cheers, Christoph -- Sent via mobile... Florian Effenberger schrieb: Hello, this is the usual reminder, that the next SC call will be on Saturday, 1400 UTC. Agenda items and dial-in details are available at http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Steering_Committee_Meetings#Next_Call Looking forward to hearing you! Florian -- Florian Effenberger Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] contracting a lawyer for the foundation's set-up process
Hi Florian, all! Am Montag, den 15.08.2011, 15:28 +0200 schrieb Florian Effenberger: > Andre Schnabel wrote on 2011-08-15 13:35: > > >> In order to have legal advice for the process, which might take a few > >> weeks, I'd like to ask the steering committee to approve a sum of > >> 3.000,- € in total. > > > > +1 > > thanks. We right now have 4 out of 6 necessary votes, so I will wait > before closing the ballot. Since Sophie did not reply so far, here is the deputy's vote: +1 Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] addition to trademark policy
Hi Tom, all! A quick note ... mis-using the steering-discuss being an SC deputy. Am Mittwoch, den 10.08.2011, 10:35 +0100 schrieb Tom Davies: > Sounds good to me but i'm curious about the Branding Team's thoughts on this. > > Italo? I'm not Italo, but I'm one of those who (with Bernhard, Nik, Ivan, ...) developed the today's branding. Personally, I would be happy if we could ship the non-tagline logo - and add the tagline on demand. This will make things more simple and even more visually attractive. When we worked on the motif design, Nik already made a draft how this could look like: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/b/b3/ScatterInContext_bunch.jpg So +1 to the proposal. One thing that - then - needs to be addressed is the todays tagline logo. Later this year, I'd like to propose a small revision to make non-tagline and tagline logo more consistent. Cheers, Christoph > From: Florian Effenberger > To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org > Sent: Wed, 10 August, 2011 9:25:05 > Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] addition to trademark policy > > Hi, > > Andre Schnabel wrote on 2011-08-08 13:17: > > ... our default logos in the source tree use the TDF tagline (at least this > > was when I last did a build from source), but the tagged logo should > > be used for "instance on .. software builds compiled by the Document > > Foundation". > > > > Imho quite easy to resolve: use the community logos per default for builds > > from source. Enable the Logo with TDF tagline on build time and tell people > > to use this only when doing builds that are supposed to be distributed > > via TDF resources. > > that indeed sounds like a senseful idea. What do others think? -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] decision on screenshots
Hi Florian, sorry if this turns out to be a discussion (here) again, but ... Am Sonntag, den 07.08.2011, 13:12 +0200 schrieb Florian Effenberger: > Hi Christoph, > > Christoph Noack wrote on 2011-08-06 14:57: > > Screenshots for documentation, website and marketing should preferably > > be taken on GNU/Linux, but may also be taken on any other operating > > system. > > > > The Steering Committee acknowledges that there is a small legal risk > > involved for screenshots on non-free operating systems, but the risk is > > deemed low. > > > > The Steering Committee recommends a consistent visual appearance (e.g. > > theming) for the screenshots taken on the selected operating system. It > > is up to the LibreOffice community how to achieve that consistency. > > thanks for that! > > Honestly, I would leave out that last paragraph. This is something > indeed the teams should decide, so I am not in favor of having that > mentioned in an official SC decision. Although I also think that the paragraph I've proposed looks weird from the SC point-of-view, let's try it the other way round: Is the currently proposed SC decision (the first two paragraphs) helpful for the community and the project? At least it says that each individual, all of the teams are free in their decision - which is somehow good. But: when I've summarized the issue some mails ago, I got aware that screenshots are taken across all the teams (e.g. website, marketing, documentation, development). Screenshots and videos heavily influence how "we" (as a project) are perceived (by e.g. customers). In this case, some (balanced) recommendation by the SC might provide guidance across the teams. Unfortunately, decisions within the individual teams are hard, across the teams close to impossible :-) Consequently, I think that the two parts: decision (use any OS) and _recommendation_ (strive for some consistency, but decide yourself how to do that) adds value in this case. > Let's try to keep the SC decisions > as easy as possible. We could also mention that the resolution, the icon > sets etc. should be decided by the teams, but I think this is out of > scope for any SC decision True. > So, would you object to leave out the third paragraph? :-) At least not hard - but please keep in mind that the originally proposed SC decision causes more uncertainty and inhomogeneity than we had before. So, I think that's the last "pro active" mail on this topic from my side (I already can hear some relief *G*). Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[steering-discuss] SC Meeting: Minutes, 2011-08-06
Hi all, the today's meeting was (due to only few attendees, unfortunately) a very short one - here are the meeting minutes: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Steering_Committee_Meetings#Minutes_2011-08-06 SC members: Voting on the both proposals by Florian (logo/trademark policy, Windows screenshots) shall be done on the sc-discuss mailing list. Meeting Attendees: Please quickly check the meeting minutes (rather a formal request). Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] decision on screenshots
Hi all, Florian - thank you for this follow up :-) Am Samstag, den 06.08.2011, 11:26 +0100 schrieb Tom Davies: > Hi :) > I thought this issue had been settled with > "It is noted that several members of the SC acknowledge the existence of a > legal > risk to display screenshots of LibreOffice on Windows, but the risk is deemed > low, therefore, while screenshots on GNU/Linux should be the default ones, > screenshots on Windows are also possible." The missing part, as David pointed out, was that only Windows has been covered. But we have also users (thus: marketing material and documentation) for Mac OS X users. However, there is one tiny thing missing (to me) in Florians draft, so I'd like to tweak it a bit. (I feel free to do so on the sc-discuss list, since I've been originally asked to summarize the status for an earlier meeting). [...] > From: Florian Effenberger [...] > == > Screenshots for documentation, website and marketing should preferably be > taken > on Linux, but may also be taken on any other operating system. The Steering > Committee acknowledges that there is a small legal risk involved for > screenshots > on non-free operating systems, but the risk is deemed low. > == > Does this reflect everyone's wishes? > > What I want to say is: > > 1. The preferred solution for screenshots is to do them with Linux, but any > other operating system is acceptable as well. The original issue (on the different mailing lists) also contained the "what visible desktop environment, what theming" should be used. Defining that is (in my opinion) up to the teams, so I'd like to ask the SC to encourage the community to find a rather consistent appearance. > 2. There is a small legal risk, but we doubt it is of practical relevance. Fully agreed. > Any native speaker who wants to improve the wording, feel free, but please do > not completely change the meaning. :-) The following two items have to be in > that statement. So, only the third paragraph added ... and GNU/Linux instead of Linux. == Screenshots for documentation, website and marketing should preferably be taken on GNU/Linux, but may also be taken on any other operating system. The Steering Committee acknowledges that there is a small legal risk involved for screenshots on non-free operating systems, but the risk is deemed low. The Steering Committee recommends a consistent visual appearance (e.g. theming) for the screenshots taken on the selected operating system. It is up to the LibreOffice community how to achieve that consistency. == Being also a non-native speaker (English), I'm happy if someone could proofread this as well. Thanks! > I'd like to proceed to voting on the statement soon. Hopefully today :-) Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Reminder: SC call this Saturday
Hi Florian, all! Am Donnerstag, den 04.08.2011, 20:55 +0200 schrieb Florian Effenberger: > Hello, > > this is just a quick reminder that the next steering committee call is > this Saturday, 1400 UTC. Thanks! :-) > Please feel free to add your agenda items to the wiki: > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Steering_Committee_Meetings > > @Christoph: I might be on the road on Saturday, so would you be able to > jump in as my deputy in case I cannot make it? Yep, and in the ideal case you'll be able to take over 14:30 UTC, since I have to leave then :-\ So if we can manage the important decisions within 30 mins, everything is fine (for me). Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[steering-discuss] Re: SC call on 27th
Hi Florian, all! Am Dienstag, den 19.07.2011, 10:35 +0200 schrieb Florian Effenberger: > Hello, > > I will not be available for the SC call on the 27th (Wednesday, 1600 > UTC), and would like to ask my deputy Christoph Noack to step in. Oh, I have to check that - I'll have some vacation and will be on the road most of the time. Will report back - so my kind request to the other SC guys is to join anyway (consensus related). > FYI: The next call is this Saturday, 1400 UTC, and I will join it. The > call on the 27th is the one after that. Thanks! For me, its either family birthday party or SC call ... let's see how the part evolves ;-))) Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Please approve Simon Phipps as election secretary
Am Dienstag, den 19.07.2011, 16:39 +0200 schrieb Andre Schnabel: > Hi, > > this was briefly discussed in our last SC-Call and in the following > MC-meeting. > > To ease the work of the current MC and help with the BoD elections (help with > communication, organization and overseeing the election process), we would > like to name Simon Phipps as election secretary for our next BoD elections. > MC will still be responsible to prepare and oversee the elections, but Simon > will do most of the communication on the topic. > > So I'd ask each SC member / deputy to approve this proposal. +1 (but both members I'm "deputy-ing" already agreed) Thanks to Simon for his offer to make things run smoother for the whole community - that's great! Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] SC call notes for 2011-07-13
Hi Charles, thanks for the minutes - although I'd like to mention that I missed by a few minutes due to some day work issue :-\ Thus, I removed my name from the list of attendees. Just as an info ... Cheers, Christoph Am Mittwoch, den 13.07.2011, 18:38 +0200 schrieb Charles-H. Schulz: > Hello all, > > Here are the notes for our latest SC call: > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Steering_Committee_Meetings#Minutes_2011-07-13 > > best, > Charles. > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Re: screen-shots Documentation Team
Hi all, last week, I promised to summarize the discussion to the SC - that time I thought that there is a close-to-consensus. Due to the recent talks I feel unable to provide a "this is the opinion of the community" mail. Instead, I'll try to focus on the "Windows screenshots" issue. SC agenda item: "clarification if we can use screenshots taken on windows in documentation / marketing matzerials" History: * The German community did some investigation during OOo times and decided to stick with non-Windows screenshots due the (to their opinion) unclear legal situation * Sophie (I think) once recommended the same during the work on the initial LibO website * The documentation team provides a guide [1] how to make screenshots (e.g. theme settings, changes of LibreOffice view settings). They once developed a theme that resembles WinXP on Linux. The issue gets a bit complicated, because (a list of things I've noticed so far): * people are unsure about the legal situation --> local communities affected as well (e.g. specific terms of use) * the discussion is spread among different mailing lists with different outcome (e.g. German ML, Design ML, SC discuss ML) * people discuss the branding of LibreOffice: * the impact of showing different operating systems (within e.g. one documentation) * the impact of having different versions of one operating system (screenshots of Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7 and to me not "only" Windows) * access to non-OSS operating systems is said to be a problem (affording a Mac, owning a license of Microsoft Windows; Linux seems to be available directly or via Live system or VM) * having different screenshot types (operating system, theme) being helpful for individuals (e.g. easy for new contributors) or a hurdle (e.g. people collaboratively working on documentation; re-using content for e.g. documentation and website) * the different importance of screenshot types (e.g. short term for marketing, long term for documentation) * nearly everybody (note: my personal impression) stated that guidelines for producing screenshots are something good, although they should not be enforced in any case That's the main points I remember ... I hope it reasonably covers the thoughts (although not their importance) within the community. My recommendation to the SC: * decide whether Microsoft Windows / Mac OS X screenshots can generally be used * if yes, please guide who might be legally responsible if such screenshots are made and published via e.g. the (international) website(s), in TDF branded documentation, by individuals (I assume these questions will pop up regularly) * decide whether the SC can / should guide the community due to the numerous discussions on this case; maybe a (non-binding) suggestion can be made / worked out Personal (!) thought: If we want to target Windows / Mac users who might feel more comfortable to see LibO on their platform, how about providing specific "Tour" for each of the OSes we support? Like "See LibreOffice on Windows" ... all other documents (documentation, features pages) might be made under e.g. Linux (because everyone can have access to it). Cheers, Christoph [1] "We on the Documentation team use a variety of operating systems and desktop themes (color schemes), but we want the images in our user guides to look reasonably consistent. Here are some suggestions for creating consistency. [...] Use a neutral (primarily grey or similar) theme with high contrast. Please do *not* use bright or operating-system specific colours such as blue, purple, or green." http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/5/5e/Producing-LO-userguides.odt Am Mittwoch, den 13.07.2011, 00:57 +0200 schrieb Bernhard Dippold: > Hi David, all, > > David Nelson schrieb: > > Hi Italo, *, > > > > On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 4:09 PM, Italo Vignoli > > wrote: > >> In my opinion, documentation screenshots can be entirely Linux (unless > >> there > >> is a specific feature on a different OS). > > This is what the Documentation team (project) has done over the last > years, IIRC. > > > > My feeling about this (and I *believe* that Jean Weber agrees) is that > > documentation contributors should have the option of contributing > > screenshots indifferently from Mac, Linux or Windows - although it > > would probably be preferable to maintain consistency within a given > > guide. > > I would really like to read Jean's opinion on this point. > > She has been leading the Documentation Project at OOo, she proposed the > present compromise discussed and voted on at the Design list. All of her > comments I remember are based on a Linux theme. > > I
Re: [steering-discuss] wording on TDF website
Hi Florian! Am Montag, den 11.07.2011, 16:10 +0200 schrieb Florian Effenberger: > Hello, > > I received some complaints that the wording on the TDF website > (http://www.documentfoundation.org) is not accurate. > > While the meta tag correctly states "The Document Foundation has the > mission of facilitating the evolution of the LibreOffice Community into > a new, open, independent, and meritocratic organization over the next > few months", the website itself says that TDF is already a foundation, > which is not totally correct. > > I therefore propose we change that text slightly, until we are legally > established. > > Any proposals? Shall we just remove the first bullet point for the moment? Well, I remember some discussions when we worked on the mission statement - the difficulty to distinguish between the legally established foundation and the group/community/activity working towards that goal. So my proposals ... If we state "Foundation" (without "The" and "Foundation") let's state "activity" - I'd like to keep this first bullet point. Its our history :-) If we say "The Document Foundation", how about saying "The Document Foundation group" or "The Document Foundation activity". I know the latter might sound a bit passive, but it might suite our needs until the legal status is established. Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[steering-discuss] Re: SC Call on Saturday
Hi Florian! Am Dienstag, den 21.06.2011, 14:39 +0200 schrieb Florian Effenberger: > Hi, > > I might not be able to join the SC Call on Saturday, as I am on the TDF > admin weekend in Munich. Christoph, can you jump in for me? Hehe, I'm visiting my sister's family as well - but should be doable somehow; as long as we can stick with a usual phone conference. Unfortunately, I won't be able to test/stabilize the mumble service until the weekend. I hope this will be okay for the other participants. And, nice having the opportunity (duty?) to join again :-) Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] next SC call on Wednesday
Hi all! Am Freitag, den 18.03.2011, 00:36 +0100 schrieb Italo Vignoli: > On 03/17/2011 03:06 PM, Florian Effenberger wrote: > > > how about doing one during the week, and the other during weekends? That > > could serve both wishes, as I and some others try to keep their weekends > > free. :-) > > +1 > Italo +1 Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Approval of our Trademark Policy
Hi Florian, Charles, all! Thank you Florian for stepping in :-) Am Freitag, den 04.03.2011, 13:10 +0100 schrieb Florian Effenberger: > so, Christoph, can you please commit your changes; Charles, can you - > after verifying it - start a new voting round on Monday or so? Done. Revised content is now on the trademark guidelines page: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TradeMark_Policy I hope I didn't miss anything ... Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: RE : Re: [steering-discuss] Approval of our Trademark Policy
Hi Charles, argh, sorry ... of course you said that you won't be fully available during the end of the week. Cheers, Christoph Am Freitag, den 04.03.2011, 06:53 +0100 schrieb Charles-H. Schulz: > Christoph, > > Darn, i only have my phone with me today and this weekend, Florian and/or > the admin team can help you out... > > Sorry, > Charles. > > Le 4 mars 2011, 12:13 AM, "Christoph Noack" a > écrit : > > Hi Charles, hi all! > > Am Donnerstag, den 03.03.2011, 16:42 +0100 schrieb Charles-H. Schulz: > > > - changes requested by Christoph: I added one sentence about the > english > version being the off... > Okay, I had a look (or two) on the pages ... > > TRADEMARK POLICY > > Fortunately, there seems to be sufficient protection, since I was unable > to edit the Trademark Policy wiki page. Thus, I've edited the content on > my user page that should be (if the changes are perceived as > improvements) copied to the real page. Charles, could you take care of > that, please? > > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:ChristophNoack/Temporary_Work_Space#The_Document_Foundation_Trademark_Policy > > Changes: > * Overall: Added some headings to improve the structure of the >text and to ensure proper TOC creation by the wiki (although >some changes might appear awkward) > * Section "Related Information": Added this section (referring to >Logo Policy, Branding Guidelines) and linked from within the >text to this section. > * Section "The Trademarks": Added list of the trademarks to ease >the understandability --> By the way, the information is >duplicated in "Purpose"; is that helpful? > * Overall: Converted the text-only mail address into a "clickable" >mail address > * Overall: Changed "hard" formatting to a style that better fits >to the wiki > > > LOGO POLICY > > I've overhauled the logo policy, although the naming of some items seems > still to be strange (I'd like to have some shorter names like: TDF Logo, > Community Logo - or something like that). > > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Logo_Policy > Major Changes: > * Moved the content to a table > * Changed the point-of-view from "we" to "TDF", and >"they/external" to "other" --> Rationale: Most of the people >will be part of the community, so it would be strange to tell >them being "external". The "we" for TDF seemed a bit too >self-centered ... although it is correct from our >point-of-view :-) > * Added "Usage Examples" --> Are these descriptions okay, are more >important ones missing? I think these examples have great value >in describing when to use, when to avoid the TDF subline logo. > * Overall: Improved description of legal mailing list (now: >"non-public") > * Overall: Changed "hard" formatting to a style that better fits >to the wiki > > Since there have been major changes, could you please thoroughly check > whether the text still fits to your thoughts and our goals? > > > Thanks a lot! > > Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to > steering-discuss+help@documentfoundatio... > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Approval of our Trademark Policy
Hi Charles, hi all! Am Donnerstag, den 03.03.2011, 16:42 +0100 schrieb Charles-H. Schulz: > - changes requested by Christoph: I added one sentence about the > english version being the official one. As for usability, please go > ahead :-) make sure people understand there's one page dedicated to > the logos though. Okay, I had a look (or two) on the pages ... TRADEMARK POLICY Fortunately, there seems to be sufficient protection, since I was unable to edit the Trademark Policy wiki page. Thus, I've edited the content on my user page that should be (if the changes are perceived as improvements) copied to the real page. Charles, could you take care of that, please? http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:ChristophNoack/Temporary_Work_Space#The_Document_Foundation_Trademark_Policy Changes: * Overall: Added some headings to improve the structure of the text and to ensure proper TOC creation by the wiki (although some changes might appear awkward) * Section "Related Information": Added this section (referring to Logo Policy, Branding Guidelines) and linked from within the text to this section. * Section "The Trademarks": Added list of the trademarks to ease the understandability --> By the way, the information is duplicated in "Purpose"; is that helpful? * Overall: Converted the text-only mail address into a "clickable" mail address * Overall: Changed "hard" formatting to a style that better fits to the wiki LOGO POLICY I've overhauled the logo policy, although the naming of some items seems still to be strange (I'd like to have some shorter names like: TDF Logo, Community Logo - or something like that). http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Logo_Policy Major Changes: * Moved the content to a table * Changed the point-of-view from "we" to "TDF", and "they/external" to "other" --> Rationale: Most of the people will be part of the community, so it would be strange to tell them being "external". The "we" for TDF seemed a bit too self-centered ... although it is correct from our point-of-view :-) * Added "Usage Examples" --> Are these descriptions okay, are more important ones missing? I think these examples have great value in describing when to use, when to avoid the TDF subline logo. * Overall: Improved description of legal mailing list (now: "non-public") * Overall: Changed "hard" formatting to a style that better fits to the wiki Since there have been major changes, could you please thoroughly check whether the text still fits to your thoughts and our goals? Thanks a lot! Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Approval of our Trademark Policy
Hi Charles (again), one thing I've noticed after having some hours sleep ... its is rather about handling than touching the content of the Trademark Policy. Since the Trademark Policy is something "official" and it might (or: I hope ...) get translated into various languages and there might be variances in its meaning, is there any need to highlight that the English version is the "binding" one? At least for other topics like the Bylaws, or the Branding Guidelines this may be assumed - but do we require a more explicit statement here? Cheers, Christoph Am Donnerstag, den 03.03.2011, 00:02 +0100 schrieb Christoph Noack: > Hi Charles, > > thanks for the effort - besides the stuff already mentioned ... some > less "legal", but rather "understandability" related comments: > > * Understandability: Most of the tdf mail addresses refer to > mailing lists, but "le...@documentfoundation.org" is "just" a > normal mail address. This difference might be important for some > people - would it be helpful to say "... send an email to the > non-public address le...@documentfoundation.org"? > * Usability: Most of the text doesn't use wiki capabilities like > headings or second outline level enumeration (e.g. no TOC is > added by the wiki that might make finding the desired > information more quickly). > * Usability: Once the text is finalized, we may ask to add the > logo examples - the logo graphics are already in the wiki, so > why not use them? > > Concerning the usability items; I can work on this once the text is > approved ... or (just ping me), I can try to improve things tomorrow > evening - if it is needed before any final approval. > > Am Dienstag, den 01.03.2011, 18:19 +0100 schrieb Charles-H. Schulz: > > *** SC Members and their deputies*** > > > > Please vote +1 or -1 in order to approve the trademark policy (text is > > here: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TradeMark_Policy) > > +1 (having in mind the comments above and below, and by the others) > > > Please also make sure you have read the additional material here: > > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Logo_Policy and there: > > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding#Resources_for_external_use > > Another small comment - I've asked on the design list whether "external > use" is a proper name for that. There is an ongoing discussion how to > name that, and whether to separate the different logos for TDF / > community use. So please be aware that we might (ask to) change this > naming in the near future ... > > Charles, thanks for your work! > > Cheers, > Christoph > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] SC Vote on first members of TDF
Hi all, Florian voted, Cor voted for Sophie ... nothing left for Christoph, except to express a double +1 as an opinion. Cheers, Christoph Am Samstag, den 29.01.2011, 10:51 +0100 schrieb Cor Nouws: > Acting as deputy for Sophie: > > Charles-H. Schulz wrote (28-01-11 16:51) > > >1) approve that people listed at > > http://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/ are current members > > of TDF according to our ByLaws > > Yes > > >2) approve Fridrich Strba as member of TDF > > Yes > > Cor > > > -- > - giving openoffice.org its foundation :: The Document Foundation - > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Minutes of SC call 2011-01-13 for review
Hi Stefan, Tom, David!
Thanks for raising this question ... since David already answered, I'd
like to comment some parts as well.
Personally, I think the current decision doesn't convey the "very
positive mood" of the discussion within the SC. Once the recording is
online, I suggest to listen to some of the statements ... I found it
very encouraging.
Am Freitag, den 14.01.2011, 21:34 +0100 schrieb Stefan Weigel:
> Hi SC,
>
> Am 14.01.2011 16:20, schrieb Andre Schnabel:
>
> > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Steering_Committee_Meetings#Minutes_2011-01-13
>
>
>
> # decision: SC appoints a team of 4 people that will be responsible
> for managing the website for a trial period of two months
> this team consists of:
>
> * David Nelson (for textual content)
> * Christoph Noack (for user experience)
> * Ivan Miskovic (for design)
> * Christian Lohmaier (for infrastructure)
>
>
>
> Is this for the international ("main") site only? Are we still
> allowed to use our roles as authors and publishers in Silverstripe,
> as we have done the past weeks?
As far as I understand - no changes with regard to the local teams.
I think the SC tried to achieve, that we do have a coordinated effort
for the international site - and all the local teams can benefit. For
example, I currently aim to raise some issues at the website mailing
list, since I hope that some local teams will listen there as well - in
the end, the English site addresses only a part of the whole community.
Next, I consider myself to be someone who may provide help and
support ... e.g. to help to evaluate proposals that are made with regard
to UX. Our aim should be to actively invite people to provide feedback
and shape content. But to implement this consistently, the team has been
set up.
I hope very much that the website team grows, so that we can share the
responsibility with many more people :-) Historically, the local teams
have much more experience providing dedicated sites ...
Stefan, does this help?
Cheers,
Christoph
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Re: [steering-discuss] Minutes of SC call 2011-01-13 for review
Hi Sophie, hi André, ... Am Freitag, den 14.01.2011, 18:59 +0300 schrieb sophie: > Hi André, > On 14/01/2011 18:56, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: > > Le Fri, 14 Jan 2011 16:20:04 +0100, > > "Andre Schnabel" a écrit : > > > >> Dear SC members, > >> > >> please read, review and correct the minutes at > >> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Steering_Committee_Meetings#Minutes_2011-01-13 Thanks for the minutes! As far as I remember, my proposal to draft a wiki page for the website team had been discussed as well. I hope this is correct (and helps to understand the SC decision), otherwise please remove the statement I've added recently ... "During the trail period, the team is asked to draft a (e.g.) wiki page how the community can contribute." Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] libreoffice.org e-mail accounts
Hi all! Am Freitag, den 14.01.2011, 23:47 +0100 schrieb Christoph Noack: > And if there are still some concerns, my proposal would be: > forename.lastn...@community.libreoffice.org Sorry for this proposal, I totally missed Florian's earlier mail containing a statement concerning sub-domains. Bad if one starts reading from the most recent mails ;-) Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Decisions about libreoffice.org English main site management
Hi Sophie, David, Christian, Bernhard, Italo, Charles, Michael, Olivier, Tom, Sebastian, Drew, ... :-) Without re-stating too many points, I'd like to say that I second the main thoughts by Christian, Sophie, Bernhard, Italo (and some more). Thanks for sharing those in detail; I think it greatly helps to understand how the TDF, serving as a guide, envisions the work within the LibreOffice community. Since Bernhard referred to the Design Team, I'd like to comment one item ... Am Samstag, den 08.01.2011, 03:37 +0100 schrieb Bernhard Dippold: [...] > Christian Lohmaier schrieb: > > On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 11:33 AM, David Nelson > > wrote: [...] > > > >> - one person from Design, Christoph Noack, with author powers, to > >> consult with about buttons and images. I don't otherwise see the > >> Design team playing much of a role in the running of the website, > >> beyond ensuring compliance with the graphic charter (which is > >> principally imposed by the theme). Since the website grows and gets more complex, we are happy to do much more than the "graphic charter". The Design Team is meant to offer "Visual Design" (I think this is what you are referring to) and "User Experience Design". Within OOo, we've described the latter one with "Usability, Productivity, Enjoyment". So here are some things we do with regard to websites: * Analyzing "visual guidance" and "distraction" on websites (e.g. the current LibO site moves the attention away from the text towards the feeds; David, like the graphical analysis I've sent to you) * Designing "across pages" and "on page" structures to ensure good navigation (the following link is a "on page" proposal once made for OOo application descriptions) http://picasaweb.google.com/noack.christoph/OpenOfficeOrg#5302013710939795442 * Analyzing how user interact with the website to improve it over time (thanks to Christian we might have / already got Piwik *yeah*) ... and other stuff to make the user feel comfortable when browsing the site. At the end, we compete with other high quality commercial and non-commercial sites (even to catch the attention of developers). [...] > In my eyes these areas (and possible candidates for contacts - didn't > ask them by now if they would serve as contacts) would be: > > Infrastructure > (Christian / Erich) > > WebDesign and UX > (Ivan / Christoph) Personally, I'm happy to help in any case. And, I'm sure that Ivan will also be happy to share his experience. > Textual Content > (David / NN) Bernhard, I hope all the people who want to contribute to the website (as you said, we mainly serve as contacts ...) feel comfortable with these ideas. Personally, I'm confident that our community will provide a great web experience. And since I already flawed this mail with some links, maybe another interesting reading. In 2008 there was a website refresh for OpenOffice.org. Some description how Website Team, UX Team, Visual Design, Native Lang, and Accessibility worked together to refine the (most important) front page: http://uxopenofficeorg.blogspot.com/2009/02/website-refresh-and-ux.html And related: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Website/What% 27s_New/2008_Refresh > Thanks to you, David (and Christian and Ivan), there is a website (and > will be in two days) in a quality, that allows us to step back a bit and > start working in a more collaborative way. > > This goal would not have been reached without your tremendous work! ++1 :-) Looking forward :-) [...] Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Website status
Hi Christian, David, all! Am Freitag, den 24.12.2010, 02:10 +0100 schrieb Christian Lohmaier: > > Maybe you're right. We'll have a think about it over Christmas, > > because it looks like the site won't roll out until January. > > Ho ho ho :-) Santa has a present for you :-) - site is live - yay :-) A lot of thanks - to all the people who participated :-) Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Website status
Hi David, thanks for your mail ... I think the best thing is to also forward it to the Design team list, and to him (BCC). Let's see how it evolves :-) And to all: Sorry for constantly spamming multiple lists at the same time - the remaining work should be done on one list only. Cheers, Christoph Am Donnerstag, den 23.12.2010, 09:34 +0800 schrieb David Nelson: > Hi, :-) > > On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 08:58, Christoph Noack wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > just for the record - there has been another proposal for a menu and the > > front page of the new website. > > > > Some of you might know Nikash, who already worked within the OOo days on > > designs - and usually they are simply great :-) However, he wrote a very > > kind mail, proposed some changes, and published a website mockup: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/design@libreoffice.org/msg00217.html > > I think it looks really good [1]. > > As a secondary project, the basic > design could also easily be adapted for the wiki and > documentfoundation.org (nabble, too?), using the same > design with other colors from the marketing color scheme. > > I've got SSH access to work on a sandbox at pumbaa.ooodev.org > (http://188.40.32.145:7780/), so we could implement the design as a > SilverStripe theme there, and Christian could move it across to the > upcoming libreoffice.org site when ready. > > I'll be happy to collaborate with him out with the theme > implementation aspect, and to do the necessary content adaptation / > design to fit in with it. > > @Christoph, it sounds like you're agreeable to the idea. > > @Bernard: you too? > > @christian: you too? > > If so, when can we give Nik a green light to start work? ;-) > > [1] > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Nik#Interim_Website_Design_proposals > > David Nelson > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Website status
Hi all, just for the record - there has been another proposal for a menu and the front page of the new website. Some of you might know Nikash, who already worked within the OOo days on designs - and usually they are simply great :-) However, he wrote a very kind mail, proposed some changes, and published a website mockup: http://www.mail-archive.com/design@libreoffice.org/msg00217.html Cheers, Christoph Am Mittwoch, den 22.12.2010, 12:24 +0100 schrieb Christoph Noack: > Hi Tom! > > Am Mittwoch, den 22.12.2010, 10:33 + schrieb Tom Davies: > > Hi David :) > > > > I prefer > > http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/bbnG0Hny0SpccJIZsGp72A?feat=directlink > > because it has less information and looks prettier. > > > > Sadly, that seems to be what people want. Information confuses people and > > seems > > to need to be on subsequent pages. Also the picture on > > Well, there is no "the people" ... there are people having different > requirements and living/working in different environments. Some guys > want to have in-depth information in advance, some consume basic > information and just want to give things a try. > > Thus, it is not about hiding information, but to provide it step-by-step > - managing the concept what people can grasp. That is why I think that > we miss the requirements of quite some users at the moment ... > > > > http://test.libreoffice.org > > took ages to appear and people don't seem to have patience beyond a couple > > of > > milliseconds and when it appeared the first image was 'horribly' > > complicated. > > Isn't it a gif? Could it be less size byte-wise? > > Same for me ... > > > By contrast competitors websites show almost nothing and give almost no > > information. [...] > > > > I do think both are great and both do the job of easy access to the > > download. > > The text needs to be somewhere on the site and preferably just 1 click away > > or > > reached when the page is scrolled down, something easy. > > Yep. > > > I would say keep the one we have already or switch to the one that is > > closest to > > completion whichever one that is. > > I'd say ... whatever helps us to satisfy the needs of the majority of > our users. So even if it might take some additional work, it seems worth > the effort. > > > > Regards from > > Tom :) > > > > PS this is only my opinion and i might be a little bitter and twisted > > nowadays > > Sorry to hear that :-\ > > Cheers, > Christoph > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Website status
Hi Tom! Am Mittwoch, den 22.12.2010, 10:33 + schrieb Tom Davies: > Hi David :) > > I prefer > http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/bbnG0Hny0SpccJIZsGp72A?feat=directlink > because it has less information and looks prettier. > > Sadly, that seems to be what people want. Information confuses people and > seems > to need to be on subsequent pages. Also the picture on Well, there is no "the people" ... there are people having different requirements and living/working in different environments. Some guys want to have in-depth information in advance, some consume basic information and just want to give things a try. Thus, it is not about hiding information, but to provide it step-by-step - managing the concept what people can grasp. That is why I think that we miss the requirements of quite some users at the moment ... > http://test.libreoffice.org > took ages to appear and people don't seem to have patience beyond a couple of > milliseconds and when it appeared the first image was 'horribly' complicated. > > Isn't it a gif? Could it be less size byte-wise? Same for me ... > By contrast competitors websites show almost nothing and give almost no > information. [...] > > I do think both are great and both do the job of easy access to the download. > > The text needs to be somewhere on the site and preferably just 1 click away > or > reached when the page is scrolled down, something easy. Yep. > I would say keep the one we have already or switch to the one that is closest > to > completion whichever one that is. I'd say ... whatever helps us to satisfy the needs of the majority of our users. So even if it might take some additional work, it seems worth the effort. > Regards from > Tom :) > > PS this is only my opinion and i might be a little bitter and twisted nowadays Sorry to hear that :-\ Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Meeting minutes published (was: Re: [steering-discuss] Saturday's confcall recording online)
Hi all! Am Donnerstag, den 16.12.2010, 12:39 +0100 schrieb Florian Effenberger: > > This extremely helps in taking notice of things discussed and > deciding > > for spending more time for details, when one think it is > appropriate. > > the notes will follow soon :-) Well ... "soon" may not be "soon" enough. Sorry for the delay, but I've finally added the meeting minutes for the SC call on 2010-12-12: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Steering_Committee_Meetings#Minutes_2010-12-11 Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[steering-discuss] [REQUEST] Mailing list des...@... for Design Team
Dear SC members, this is a small request for discussion / acting :-) Within the last days, the Marketing Team discussed to make better use of mailing lists. Currently, the list "webs...@libreoffice.org" is used for a variety of topics - including strategy, promotion, events organization, artwork, branding, ... A bit too much, and it is unlikely that this will change in the future. Thus, I propose to set up the mailing list "des...@libreoffice.org" for the "LibreOffice Design Team" that will work on "Visual Design and Artwork", amongst "User Experience Design". This request is partly related to [1], "Future Project Structure" and thus resulting in the request for decision. A summary of the discussion, as well as the topics for the mailing lists, can be found at [2]. Thanks in advance! Christoph [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Work_Items#general_Community [2] http://go.mail-archive.com/5wDMxiqvPE-5NX1Wb4za_9O9t4s= -- E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] THD governance, project organization and membership - update needed
Hi David! Am Samstag, den 13.11.2010, 20:14 +0800 schrieb David Nelson: > I'm unaware of what's happening behind the scenes, but the Foundation > still seems to be in limbo. As a result, the organization of work in > various areas is suffering or even simply not possible. Therefore we recently published the list of open / worked on tasks in the wiki: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Work_Items#legal_and_business But you are right, that it would be helpful to have some more pro-active communication concerning the whole TDF thing. To be honest - I think nobody within the TDF team is currently able to listen everywhere and to sum this up. For example, I really enjoyed the mail by Michael who summarized the status of the Drupal website development. Thus, it would be great if somebody could volunteer to establish / publish a weekly summary ... the LibOLetter? ;-) However, I hope that the work items list helps a bit... Cheers, Christoph -- E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Next ConfCall on Friday
Hi Flo, all, I'm sorry, but I won't (most probably) be unable to attend to this call. It is a bit too early ... day job issues :-) Cheers, Christoph Am Montag, den 08.11.2010, 18:00 +0100 schrieb Florian Effenberger: > Hi, > > the next Steering Committee Phone Conference is on Friday, 1400 UTC and > will be public as usual. > > For your local date and time, see http://www.doodle.com/krfq7z96cc38qxyr > > The agenda and the dial-in details will be made available shortly before > the call at > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Steering_Committee_Meetings > > Looking forward to hearing you! > > Florian > > -- > Florian Effenberger > Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation > Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 > Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff > -- E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] tomorrow's call is public
Hi Sophi! Am Dienstag, den 02.11.2010, 18:48 +0100 schrieb Sophie Gautier: > For information I will have no internet access tomorrow (I just learn > that I'll be traveling almost all day) and I hope I'll be on time > tomorrow evening. I case I'll be late, Christoph or Cor would you be > able to attend? As far as I can see, I'll be there. Thanks for the "ping" :-) So, enjoy your ride! Cheers, Christoph -- E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] LibO registration page gone?
Hi Caolan! Thanks for your answer - it seems that we think into the same direction :-) Am Samstag, den 30.10.2010, 12:57 +0100 schrieb Caolan McNamara: > On Sat, 2010-10-30 at 00:11 +0200, Christoph Noack wrote: > > Personally, I don't like the "register" approach, but I do like good > > ways of gathering helpful information that isn't available elsewhere. [...] > > All these are good things, but not provided by the infamous registration > dialogs IMO. If someone wants to stick a menu entry in to enable an > "improvement program" which tracks what menus, dialogs, buttons, etc. > are most used in order to get useful data as to what gets used most then > that's a cunning idea. Yep. Concerning the registration dialog and some requirements/wishes by the marketing team - my mail was more meant how we can make the user feedback functionality more versatile to suit their needs, too (e.g. what platform, language settings, screen/window size, ...). [...] Cheers, Christoph -- E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] LibO registration page gone?
Hi Caolan, all! Am Freitag, den 29.10.2010, 14:31 +0100 schrieb Caolan McNamara: > On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 13:56 +0100, Michael Meeks wrote: > > On Thu, 2010-10-28 at 11:15 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote: [...] > > * Cons of registration page > > Agree with all of that. Another way of viewing this IMO, is that if it > didn't already exist noone would suggest adding a dialog shown during > startup in order to collect what I believe is very dubious and skewed > information. e.g. I don't think a single Linux distribution that shipped > OpenOffice.org left the dialog enabled, so noone using the OOo shipped > with Debian/Ubuntu/Fedora/RHEL/Suse/etc was counted. Since distributions like Ubuntu do also provide to collect usage statistics of installed packages, there is already some similar information source. Ubuntu does that to improve the collection of software, to better suit their user's needs. So the real point is: What is required for us to improve LibO and to make it more successful? Example: If a project gets a certain size, then there will be the need to base decisions (both for the project and the product) on valid information (number of users, there likings, common work flows, essential templates, ...). In my opinion, gut feeling (only) doesn't serve some of our needs in the long run. Personally, I don't like the "register" approach, but I do like good ways of gathering helpful information that isn't available elsewhere. We can be sure that the structure of people using OOo/LibO isn't identical to those we get direct feedback from. So the question is (as you stated it), if there is nothing in the product ... what would be our approach to let our users help us to better shape LibO? The idea "User Feedback" / "Improvement Program" / "Usage Tracking" that is available in OOo is one puzzle piece. There are some rough edges, and the data currently needs some manual pre-processing, and there is still missing information - but it already helped to convert "just features" into something that "just works for the majority". So my proposal would be: There might be no need for a registration dialog, but there is a need by development, marketing, UX to get some information. Maybe not today, but tomorrow (literally speaking). But, I also second Florians thoughts that there should have some discussion in advance before removing it. By the way, some people worked on (limited) data collection for The Gimp. Just fun to look at (serious data): http://ingimp.org/ Cheers, Christoph -- E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
