RE: Why we "cast" novels
On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 15:24:08 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>I especially miss the novelty LP album covers (like my original Led >>Zeppelin >>III cover with the picture wheel in it) and the double albums with >>suitable-for-hanging-in-your-dorm-room trippy artwork inside. It's >>a real >>shame: the death of the LP and the small size of CD and tape covers >>seem to >>have killed most of that whole art-concept aspect of albums. > > >I miss the cover of Monty Python's "Matching Tie and Handkerchief" >(if you've seen it, you know what I mean). Actually, I miss >"Matching Tie and Handkerchief." Well, I own the LP, but if you've >heard it only on CD, you've unfortunately completely missed the >joke, which is that is the world's first (and most likely only) >"three-sided" album - they cut two grooves into one side of the >vinyl LP, so the record player (what an archaic concept and word!) >played first one track and then the other - which is utterly >impossible to duplicate on CD. Sigh. And the "Instant Record Collection" was great for filling out the incomplete shelf! Dean ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Speaking of sports Re: Why we "cast" novels
> From: Kevin Tarr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > When Jon had his little rant about books into movies and > actors who play > the roles, I agreed with him and feel the same way about > sporting matches. Ahem, that was "John" as in 'jmh', not Jon. But that's OK. The only people more superstitous than sports figures are sports fans! I was absolultely convinced when I was a kid that the Cowboys couldn't lose if I wore a certain hat. The fact that they did lose didn't dissuade me in the slightest! And don't get me started on my brother and "Magic Fingers" (changing the channel at certain times while watching sporting events)... - jmh ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Why we "cast" novels
From: Russell Chapman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Must have cost a fortune to produce compared to a simple card sleeve. I had a Led Zeppelin album which had about 4 covers between you and the vinyl, and my personal favourite - Led Zeppelin's In Through The Out Door - the cover was a bland sepia look, but if you painted it with a wet paintbrush, it came out in vivid colours...wierd but fun. I think the Zep album with ~4 covers was In Through The Out Door: It had a brown paper-bag-like cover with the album name stamped on it, the real, heavy cardboard outer cover, a thin white inner cardboard liner (I thought this is what you'd wet to see the picture get colorized), and maybe a paper album liner inside that. I remember asking a friend what the heck he was doing when he started swabbing down my album with a sponge, and him telling me "It'll be cool, you'll see". But nothing happened; my album must have been from a later print run where they cut the cost and left out that feature. :-( ahh, memory lane! -bryon _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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From: "Robert Seeberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: "Bryon Daly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I especially miss the novelty LP album covers (like my original Led Zeppelin > III cover with the picture wheel in it) and the double albums with > suitable-for-hanging-in-your-dorm-room trippy artwork inside. It's a real > shame: the death of the LP and the small size of CD and tape covers seem to > have killed most of that whole art-concept aspect of albums. LOL When I was 20, my apartment was decorated with Roger Dean. That's exactly who I had in mind! Sadly, that kind of artwork just isn't as cool when it's on a 4" CD cover. -bryon _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Why we "cast" novels
In a message dated 7/10/2003 4:14:55 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > >The British edition was better than what us herms got. The cover slipped > out > > >to reveal the hanged man. It didn't for the US edition. > > > > Yes it did. At least, mine did. Unless I somehow managed to buy the > British edition in a US store. > > > > Mine did also. > Maybe there were illegal counterfeit knockoffs! My copy was white, and I remember a US copy with some sort of yellow plaid motif. I first heard Monty Python about the same time I was taping I'm Sorry I'll Read That Again programs off of Friday noon NPR. William Talyot - The well known typing error. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Why we "cast" novels
- Original Message - From: "Russell Chapman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 6:05 PM Subject: Re: Why we "cast" novels > Bryon Daly wrote: > > > I especially miss the novelty LP album covers (like my original Led > > Zeppelin III cover with the picture wheel in it) and the double albums > > with suitable-for-hanging-in-your-dorm-room trippy artwork inside. > > It's a real shame: the death of the LP and the small size of CD and > > tape covers seem to have killed most of that whole art-concept aspect > > of albums. > > I'm guessing cost cutting would have killed them anyway... I remember > the Alice Cooper LP where he was released from the sanitarium, and the > cover had all sorts of folding and sliding panels in all sorts of > places, so that it was effectively a cardboard model of the sanitarium, > with views in through the windows to the characters mentioned in the > songs, and opening doors that let him out etc. Schools Out came with a pair of women's panties which by some odd chance I never wore. xponent All The Young Girls Love Alice Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Why we "cast" novels
Bryon Daly wrote: I especially miss the novelty LP album covers (like my original Led Zeppelin III cover with the picture wheel in it) and the double albums with suitable-for-hanging-in-your-dorm-room trippy artwork inside. It's a real shame: the death of the LP and the small size of CD and tape covers seem to have killed most of that whole art-concept aspect of albums. I've just bought a box of blank CD's which, instead of the traditional metallic look label on the upper face have a smaller brightly coloured paper centre label, and pseudo vinyl covering on the rest complete with tiny concentric grooves. To look at it in isolation it looks just like a vinyl 45 - way cool for an old fart like me to listen to music on... These are similar, but without the paper label (or a reasonable price-mine were the same as regular CDRs): http://www.benq.com.au/Showproduct.asp?prodID=116 Cheers Russell C. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Why we "cast" novels
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 3:24 PM Subject: Re: Why we "cast" novels > >The British edition was better than what us herms got. The cover slipped out > >to reveal the hanged man. It didn't for the US edition. > > Yes it did. At least, mine did. Unless I somehow managed to buy the British edition in a US store. > Mine did also. xponent The Records Stuck Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Why we "cast" novels
Bryon Daly wrote: I especially miss the novelty LP album covers (like my original Led Zeppelin III cover with the picture wheel in it) and the double albums with suitable-for-hanging-in-your-dorm-room trippy artwork inside. It's a real shame: the death of the LP and the small size of CD and tape covers seem to have killed most of that whole art-concept aspect of albums. I'm guessing cost cutting would have killed them anyway... I remember the Alice Cooper LP where he was released from the sanitarium, and the cover had all sorts of folding and sliding panels in all sorts of places, so that it was effectively a cardboard model of the sanitarium, with views in through the windows to the characters mentioned in the songs, and opening doors that let him out etc. Must have cost a fortune to produce compared to a simple card sleeve. I had a Led Zeppelin album which had about 4 covers between you and the vinyl, and my personal favourite - Led Zeppelin's In Through The Out Door - the cover was a bland sepia look, but if you painted it with a wet paintbrush, it came out in vivid colours...wierd but fun. Cheers Russell C. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Why we "cast" novels
- Original Message - From: "Bryon Daly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 12:24 PM Subject: RE: Why we "cast" novels > >From: "Horn, John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > From: Bryon Daly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >You mean you can actually see the art on those itty-bitty CD cases? Give > >me > >a full-size LP for cover art anyday. Of course, not too many of those > >left... > > I especially miss the novelty LP album covers (like my original Led Zeppelin > III cover with the picture wheel in it) and the double albums with > suitable-for-hanging-in-your-dorm-room trippy artwork inside. It's a real > shame: the death of the LP and the small size of CD and tape covers seem to > have killed most of that whole art-concept aspect of albums. LOL When I was 20, my apartment was decorated with Roger Dean. xponent In And Around The Lake Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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>The British edition was better than what us herms got. The cover slipped out >to reveal the hanged man. It didn't for the US edition. Yes it did. At least, mine did. Unless I somehow managed to buy the British edition in a US store. -- Tom Beck www.prydonians.org www.mercerjewishsingles.org "I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed I'd see the last." - Dr Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Why we "cast" novels
In a message dated 7/10/2003 12:27:17 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I miss the cover of Monty Python's "Matching Tie and Handkerchief" (if you've > seen it, you know what I mean). Actually, I miss "Matching Tie and > Handkerchief." Well, I own the LP, but if you've heard it only on CD, you've > unfortunately completely missed the joke, which is that is the world's first ( > and most likely only) "three-sided" album - they cut two grooves into one > side of the vinyl LP, so the record player (what an archaic concept and word!) > played first one track and then the other - which is utterly impossible to > duplicate on CD. Sigh. The British edition was better than what us herms got. The cover slipped out to reveal the hanged man. It didn't for the US edition. Mad Magazine had a pull out floppy that was at least two sided--one one side. William Taylor -- Gubru Ministry of Silly Squacks ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Why we "cast" novels
>I especially miss the novelty LP album covers (like my original Led Zeppelin >III cover with the picture wheel in it) and the double albums with >suitable-for-hanging-in-your-dorm-room trippy artwork inside. It's a real >shame: the death of the LP and the small size of CD and tape covers seem to >have killed most of that whole art-concept aspect of albums. I miss the cover of Monty Python's "Matching Tie and Handkerchief" (if you've seen it, you know what I mean). Actually, I miss "Matching Tie and Handkerchief." Well, I own the LP, but if you've heard it only on CD, you've unfortunately completely missed the joke, which is that is the world's first (and most likely only) "three-sided" album - they cut two grooves into one side of the vinyl LP, so the record player (what an archaic concept and word!) played first one track and then the other - which is utterly impossible to duplicate on CD. Sigh. -- Tom Beck www.prydonians.org www.mercerjewishsingles.org "I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed I'd see the last." - Dr Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Why we "cast" novels
John Horn wrote: Give me a full-size LP for cover art anyday. Of course, not too many of those left... Bryon Daley replied: I especially miss the novelty LP album covers (like my original Led Zeppelin III cover with the picture wheel in it) and the double albums with suitable-for-hanging-in-your-dorm-room trippy artwork inside. I still have the original fold-out LP of News of the World by Queen. I also liked the cover for Physical Graffiti by Led Zeppelin -- IIRC it had cutout windows for a subtle but nice 3d effect. The only really nice work I've seen done on a CD is the multi-panel fold-out on Sting's Soul Cages album, and the nicely textured cover for the LOTR:TTT Special Edition soundtrack CD. Reggie Bautista _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Why we "cast" novels
From: "Horn, John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > From: Bryon Daly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You mean you can actually see the art on those itty-bitty CD cases? Give me a full-size LP for cover art anyday. Of course, not too many of those left... I especially miss the novelty LP album covers (like my original Led Zeppelin III cover with the picture wheel in it) and the double albums with suitable-for-hanging-in-your-dorm-room trippy artwork inside. It's a real shame: the death of the LP and the small size of CD and tape covers seem to have killed most of that whole art-concept aspect of albums. _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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> From: Bryon Daly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I agree with Reggie, for pretty much the same reasons. I > don't think that > "casting" a novel is all that much more pointless than, say, > discussing > how Glorfindel, killed in the Silmarillion, is alive and well > to assist Frodo et al > on the way to Rivendell. Well, clearly, Glorfindel was released by Mandos and ... er ... nevermind. > Or, say, discussing the cover art > on a Springsteen album. You mean you can actually see the art on those itty-bitty CD cases? Give me a full-size LP for cover art anyday. Of course, not too many of those left... - jmh ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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> From: Reggie Bautista [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > John Horn replied: > > > > > >Does anyone else *HATE* these sorts of discussions as much > as I do? They > >are so unbelievably pointless! > > John, I have to respectfully disagree with you. And you are certainly allowed to. (Unlike in the religion thread, apparently...) > I usually enjoy discussions like this. You learn a lot about > people, and to > some extent, you get to experience the story from a new point of view. > > You can learn a lot about a person by how they would cast a movie. OK. I guess I can buy that. Many times the choices just seem pointless. Then again, I haven't seen one of these discussions in a forum other than an unmoderated newsgroup so it might be a little different here. Who knows? - jmh ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Speaking of sports Re: Why we "cast" novels
Ray Ludenia wrote: > > Bryon Daly wrote: > > > Julia, the ESPN web site has some coverage of the TdF here: > > http://espn.go.com/oly/tdf2003/index.html > > > > It's not extensive, but you can get all the stage results and standings > > there, along with a smattering of articles. > > Another site that may be suitable is: > http://www.sbs.com.au/tdf/ > > Obviously somewhat Aussie slanted (though justifiedly so for the first few > days!), but is always good for international coverage. Both good. Thanks, guys. (And I'm not happy about how far the Aussies seem to have fallen, at least some of them. I hope they can catch up some. I was enjoying watching them in the earlier stages.) Julia who thought she was done for awhile after the NBA championship ended, but was wrong Someone's going to be a "sports widower" outside of NFL football season. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Bryon Daly wrote: >> From: Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> BTW, I've been watching the rerun of TDF coverate on OLM from 7:30 to 10 >> in the evening, but I won't be able to tonight. If anyone who is >> following the Tour wants to privately shoot me info on how Lance's team >> does today, or tell me where to go to get that info this afternoon, that >> would be wonderful. It was nice of Tom yesterday to tell me Lance's >> overall ranking at the end of the day yesterday, since they didn't list >> that on the OLN coverage I saw, and I'm not sure the paper has arrived >> yet. (The Austin paper will tell all anyone wants to know about LA's >> performance -- the *next* morning.) > > Julia, the ESPN web site has some coverage of the TdF here: > http://espn.go.com/oly/tdf2003/index.html > > It's not extensive, but you can get all the stage results and standings > there, along with a smattering of articles. Another site that may be suitable is: http://www.sbs.com.au/tdf/ Obviously somewhat Aussie slanted (though justifiedly so for the first few days!), but is always good for international coverage. Regards, Ray. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Speaking of sports Re: Why we "cast" novels
From: Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> BTW, I've been watching the rerun of TDF coverate on OLM from 7:30 to 10 in the evening, but I won't be able to tonight. If anyone who is following the Tour wants to privately shoot me info on how Lance's team does today, or tell me where to go to get that info this afternoon, that would be wonderful. It was nice of Tom yesterday to tell me Lance's overall ranking at the end of the day yesterday, since they didn't list that on the OLN coverage I saw, and I'm not sure the paper has arrived yet. (The Austin paper will tell all anyone wants to know about LA's performance -- the *next* morning.) Julia, the ESPN web site has some coverage of the TdF here: http://espn.go.com/oly/tdf2003/index.html It's not extensive, but you can get all the stage results and standings there, along with a smattering of articles. _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Wednesday, July 9, 2003, at 01:30 am, Reggie Bautista wrote: And what you've learned about me from reading this is that I followed both Angel and Xena closely enough to know the names of actors who played roles that didn't get them into the opening credits... :-) Some people don't? -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ "Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons." - Popular Mechanics, forecasting the relentless march of science, 1949 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Speaking of sports Re: Why we "cast" novels
Kevin Tarr wrote: > > At 01:33 AM 7/9/2003 -0400, you wrote: > >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>In a message dated 7/8/2003 6:09:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, Julia > >>Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> >Speaking of sports, anyone else following the Tour de France? If anyone > >> >who knows more about cycling than I do (which isn't very much, aside > >> >from having read Lance Armstrong's _It's Not About the Bike_ and knowing > >> >where his house near Lake Austin is and thinking he's just incredible) > >> >and would like to give me analyses off-list (unless there's a general > >> >clamor for it to be on-list), I'd be keenly interested. :) > >> > >>I'm following it, but it's way too early to really get into it. Lance > >>Armstrong is currently in 12th place, 19 seconds behind the leader, but > >>this race doesn't really start to mean anything until it moves up into > >>the mountains, which is where Armstrong usually leaves his competition > >>minutes behind, not seconds. They say in American team sports that a > >>playoff series doesn't really begin until the home team loses a game; the > >>last few years, the Tour De France doesn't mean a thing until, if ever, > >>Lance Armstrong is beaten in the mountains. > > > >I'm cheering for Lance, but for some reason I have a feeling that this > >isn't going to be his year. Maybe part of it was I read a brief interview > >with him after the Prologue (a time trial), in which he said things didn't > >feel right or something of the sort. I had thought part of his domination > >in previous years wasn't just due to his strong mountain stages, but also > >his time trial stages. Maybe another part of it is that the press seems > >to think he's almost a lock to win it again. > > I don't like breaking up a post, so everything will be down here. Julia: > Maybe you could post something about his marital discord that he and his > wife went through this spring, since fixed. Not really, but when that's > given as a reason for him not having a great spring, I have to wonder if > the reporters are grasping at straws or even if LA himself put that out as > a feint. Possible. The separation was reported in the local paper here; I was disappointed, and hoping for some sort of reconciliation, considering all that he and his wife have gone through together. I didn't want to know any details, as that's LA's private life, and I think it should remain private. If I ever found myself sitting across from him in a restaurant, that's not something I'd bring up. (There are plenty of *other* things that have nothing to do with cycling or marital problems that I'd be interested in discussing with him or his wife.) > When Jon had his little rant about books into movies and actors who play > the roles, I agreed with him and feel the same way about sporting matches. > I do go with friends or sit here at home rooting for sporting events, but a > lot of people I know actively feel that if they aren't watching, it won't > go well for their team. I remind them that if the TV was turned off, the > score would still be the same. I'm not changing my view, but I do feel that > fans at the game can help their team a little because some players say the > fans energize them. > > TDF analysis: So what does that have to do with the TDF? That there is > nothing I can say that will matter a hill of beans. There are maybe seven > to twelve riders that have a shot of winning the overall title. Good point. I don't know any of the contenders besides LA and, to a much lesser extent, JU. If you wanted to shoot me a list of those names, and a quick reasoning of *why* each one is a contender, that would be cool. But it's not necessary. > The biggest difference will be today, the team time trial, my favorite > stage. (There's a clip, from years ago, that shows the Motorola team near > the end, and even then all the riders, wearing matching everything, even > shoes, were pedaling in sequence, all the feet going up and down at the > same time.) Each team starts together at five minute intervals, and the > time is given when the fifth man crosses the line, for the first five > riders. The USPS team knows this and trains for this event. All teams train > together, but not all put as much effort into this stage. Looking at the > first stage, USPS had a slight advantage over Ullrich's team, but not by > much. This will be a day when things get shaken out. OK, see, this is something I didn't really know about. Thank you. I've learned something. BTW, I've been watching the rerun of TDF coverate on OLM from 7:30 to 10 in the evening, but I won't be able to tonight. If anyone who is following the Tour wants to privately shoot me info on how Lance's team does today, or tell me where to go to get that info this afternoon, that would be wonderful. It was nice of Tom yesterday to tell me Lance's overall ranking at the end of the day yesterday, since they didn't list that on the OLN coverage I saw, and I'
Re: Speaking of sports Re: Why we "cast" novels
At 01:33 AM 7/9/2003 -0400, you wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 7/8/2003 6:09:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >Speaking of sports, anyone else following the Tour de France? If anyone >who knows more about cycling than I do (which isn't very much, aside >from having read Lance Armstrong's _It's Not About the Bike_ and knowing >where his house near Lake Austin is and thinking he's just incredible) >and would like to give me analyses off-list (unless there's a general >clamor for it to be on-list), I'd be keenly interested. :) I'm following it, but it's way too early to really get into it. Lance Armstrong is currently in 12th place, 19 seconds behind the leader, but this race doesn't really start to mean anything until it moves up into the mountains, which is where Armstrong usually leaves his competition minutes behind, not seconds. They say in American team sports that a playoff series doesn't really begin until the home team loses a game; the last few years, the Tour De France doesn't mean a thing until, if ever, Lance Armstrong is beaten in the mountains. I'm cheering for Lance, but for some reason I have a feeling that this isn't going to be his year. Maybe part of it was I read a brief interview with him after the Prologue (a time trial), in which he said things didn't feel right or something of the sort. I had thought part of his domination in previous years wasn't just due to his strong mountain stages, but also his time trial stages. Maybe another part of it is that the press seems to think he's almost a lock to win it again. I don't like breaking up a post, so everything will be down here. Julia: Maybe you could post something about his marital discord that he and his wife went through this spring, since fixed. Not really, but when that's given as a reason for him not having a great spring, I have to wonder if the reporters are grasping at straws or even if LA himself put that out as a feint. When Jon had his little rant about books into movies and actors who play the roles, I agreed with him and feel the same way about sporting matches. I do go with friends or sit here at home rooting for sporting events, but a lot of people I know actively feel that if they aren't watching, it won't go well for their team. I remind them that if the TV was turned off, the score would still be the same. I'm not changing my view, but I do feel that fans at the game can help their team a little because some players say the fans energize them. TDF analysis: So what does that have to do with the TDF? That there is nothing I can say that will matter a hill of beans. There are maybe seven to twelve riders that have a shot of winning the overall title. If none of them crash, gets a flat, or gets sick; then it will be very close between Jan Ullrich and LA. But anything can happen. Look at Ullrich's crash last year. It's a miracle he didn't die. (If you don't know about it, he went off the road on a descent, jumped off his bike which sailed into the ether.) The biggest difference will be today, the team time trial, my favorite stage. (There's a clip, from years ago, that shows the Motorola team near the end, and even then all the riders, wearing matching everything, even shoes, were pedaling in sequence, all the feet going up and down at the same time.) Each team starts together at five minute intervals, and the time is given when the fifth man crosses the line, for the first five riders. The USPS team knows this and trains for this event. All teams train together, but not all put as much effort into this stage. Looking at the first stage, USPS had a slight advantage over Ullrich's team, but not by much. This will be a day when things get shaken out. Of course there are the mountains. Everyone made assumptions last year at LA looking back at Ullrich and riding away from him. Lance swears he was looking behind Ullrich, that he didn't think he'd drop him and wasn't trying to psyche him out. This year Ullrich is leaner. Did he train hard on the big hills? I'm sure he did. I can add more, about other riders, but have to leave for work. For now: today is important, and overall it's a race between LA and JU. Kevin T. - VRWC ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Speaking of sports Re: Why we "cast" novels
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 7/8/2003 6:09:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >Speaking of sports, anyone else following the Tour de France? If anyone >who knows more about cycling than I do (which isn't very much, aside >from having read Lance Armstrong's _It's Not About the Bike_ and knowing >where his house near Lake Austin is and thinking he's just incredible) >and would like to give me analyses off-list (unless there's a general >clamor for it to be on-list), I'd be keenly interested. :) I'm following it, but it's way too early to really get into it. Lance Armstrong is currently in 12th place, 19 seconds behind the leader, but this race doesn't really start to mean anything until it moves up into the mountains, which is where Armstrong usually leaves his competition minutes behind, not seconds. They say in American team sports that a playoff series doesn't really begin until the home team loses a game; the last few years, the Tour De France doesn't mean a thing until, if ever, Lance Armstrong is beaten in the mountains. I'm cheering for Lance, but for some reason I have a feeling that this isn't going to be his year. Maybe part of it was I read a brief interview with him after the Prologue (a time trial), in which he said things didn't feel right or something of the sort. I had thought part of his domination in previous years wasn't just due to his strong mountain stages, but also his time trial stages. Maybe another part of it is that the press seems to think he's almost a lock to win it again. _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Why we "cast" novels
I wrote: You can learn a lot about a person by how they would cast a movie. Jon replied: So what do you deduce about the director of Riddick based on his choices? :) Hmm... probably Vin Diesel had as much to say about casting, being a producer on this project from what I understand. And really, I was talking about what you can learn about a person by seeing how they reacted differently to a book that you both read. But since you asked... :-) Alexa Davalos was IMHO the weakest part of Angel this past season (she played Gwen Raiden) and may have been cast in this movie more as a pretty face than for her rather meager (imo) acting skills. From what I understand, she doesn't have a lot of acting experience, but she is a former model. Thandie Newton is another very pretty actress, and from what I remember of _Mission Impossible II_, she is OK as an actress, nothing to write home about. Dame Judi Dench can act for sure, in fact she can probably act circles around everyone else on the cast. Colm Feore is... I don't know, I've always found his acting as a bad guy to be a little two-dimensional. Some actors breath life into a character; so far, I haven't seen this from Feore as a bad guy. Karl Urban was Caeser in several episodes of Xena, and Eomer in LOTR:TTT, and didn't really stand out much in either role. I don't know anything about Linus Roache. I'd say other than Dame Judi, most of the cast look like they were cast based on looks more than on talent. I expect the movie to be visually stunning, much like _Pitch Black_, but otherwise I'm not particularly looking forward to it. On the other hand, _Pitch Black_ wasn't exactly loaded with people previously known for their great acting skills, and it turned out pretty well. And what you've learned about me from reading this is that I followed both Angel and Xena closely enough to know the names of actors who played roles that didn't get them into the opening credits... :-) Reggie Bautista _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Speaking of sports Re: Why we "cast" novels
In a message dated 7/8/2003 6:09:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >Speaking of sports, anyone else following the Tour de France? If anyone >who knows more about cycling than I do (which isn't very much, aside >from having read Lance Armstrong's _It's Not About the Bike_ and knowing >where his house near Lake Austin is and thinking he's just incredible) >and would like to give me analyses off-list (unless there's a general >clamor for it to be on-list), I'd be keenly interested. :) I'm following it, but it's way too early to really get into it. Lance Armstrong is currently in 12th place, 19 seconds behind the leader, but this race doesn't really start to mean anything until it moves up into the mountains, which is where Armstrong usually leaves his competition minutes behind, not seconds. They say in American team sports that a playoff series doesn't really begin until the home team loses a game; the last few years, the Tour De France doesn't mean a thing until, if ever, Lance Armstrong is beaten in the mountains. I'm following it either on the Outdoor Living channel (which must have a viewership in the high two figures) or through CNN/SI.com. -- Tom Beck www.prydonians.org www.mercerjewishsingles.org "I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed I'd see the last." - Dr Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Why we "cast" novels
In a message dated 7/8/2003 12:09:49 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > You can learn a lot about a person by how they would cast a movie. > > Reggie Bautista > The Niss machine in the movie signs off with: "That's all folks!" "Beoooruup." "Exit stage left." "Shaddup your mowth." "Ending transmission, ending transmission, ending transmission. Has-ha-ha-ha." [The last one being Woody Woodpecker.] William Taylor - So, what did you learn about me? ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Speaking of sports Re: Why we "cast" novels
Jon Gabriel wrote: > Honestly, it was just something that popped into my head during lunch. It's > not earthshatteringly important by any means. I just personally find the > irrational/rational/religion/sports/atheist/fundamentalist thread somewhat > snoozeworthy. :) 'course, that's just my opinion. Speaking of sports, anyone else following the Tour de France? If anyone who knows more about cycling than I do (which isn't very much, aside from having read Lance Armstrong's _It's Not About the Bike_ and knowing where his house near Lake Austin is and thinking he's just incredible) and would like to give me analyses off-list (unless there's a general clamor for it to be on-list), I'd be keenly interested. :) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Why we "cast" novels
From: "Reggie Bautista" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Why we "cast" novels Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 14:09:15 -0500 Jon Gabriel wrote: > This brings up an interesting question: Who do y'all think > would the ideal cast of characters be for either an Uplift War > or Startide Rising movie? John Horn replied: (Jon, this is not personal. It is just something that I have to say. I can't hold it in though I know I probably should...) Heh. Been there. Usually about stuff even more pointless. :) Don't worry, I wouldn't have taken it personally even if you hadn't put in the disclaimer. Does anyone else *HATE* these sorts of discussions as much as I do? They are so unbelievably pointless! John, I have to respectfully disagree with you. I usually enjoy discussions like this. You learn a lot about people, and to some extent, you get to experience the story from a new point of view. Honestly, it was just something that popped into my head during lunch. It's not earthshatteringly important by any means. I just personally find the irrational/rational/religion/sports/atheist/fundamentalist thread somewhat snoozeworthy. :) 'course, that's just my opinion. Every reader brings his or her own unique viewpoint to a book, just as every actor brings his or her own unique insight into a character. Seeing what actor Erik would like to have play Tom (as a random example) gives me an insight into what Erik thought about the character Tom, and that might also make me think about Tom (and the book) from a somewhat different perspective. That's interesting to me since I never thought of it that way: personification of a character may change the entire nature of the story. Very logical. You can learn a lot about a person by how they would cast a movie. So what do you deduce about the director of Riddick based on his choices? :) Jon Le Blog: http://zarq.livejournal.com _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Why we "cast" novels
Bryon wrote: I don't think that "casting" a novel is all that much more pointless than, say, discussing how Glorfindel, killed in the Silmarillion, is alive and well to assist Frodo et al on the way to Rivendell. The movie sidestepped that one nicely :-) Reggie Bautista _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Why we "cast" novels
From: "Reggie Bautista" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> John Horn replied: Does anyone else *HATE* these sorts of discussions as much as I do? They are so unbelievably pointless! John, I have to respectfully disagree with you. I usually enjoy discussions like this. You learn a lot about people, and to some extent, you get to experience the story from a new point of view. Every reader brings his or her own unique viewpoint to a book, just as every actor brings his or her own unique insight into a character. Seeing what actor Erik would like to have play Tom (as a random example) gives me an insight into what Erik thought about the character Tom, and that might also make me think about Tom (and the book) from a somewhat different perspective. You can learn a lot about a person by how they would cast a movie. I agree with Reggie, for pretty much the same reasons. I don't think that "casting" a novel is all that much more pointless than, say, discussing how Glorfindel, killed in the Silmarillion, is alive and well to assist Frodo et al on the way to Rivendell. Or, say, discussing the cover art on a Springsteen album. _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
