Re: Myers-Briggs (was: Blog entry with interesting comment)

2006-05-07 Thread Ronn!Blankenship

At 05:10 PM Saturday 5/6/2006, The Fool wrote:
[snipped]


Fool, I'm just curious.  Most of the articles you post are ones 
claiming that there are problems with this, that, and the other.  Can 
you give us some examples of something concrete (not abstractions 
like the truth or rational thinking and behavior) that you are _for_?



--Ronn!  :)

Since I was a small boy, two states have been added to our country 
and two words have been added to the pledge of Allegiance... UNDER 
GOD.  Wouldn't it be a pity if someone said that is a prayer and that 
would be eliminated from schools too?

   -- Red Skelton

(Someone asked me to change my .sig quote back, so I did.)




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Re: Myers-Briggs

2006-05-07 Thread Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:

 Fool, I'm just curious.  Most of the articles you post are ones
 claiming that there are problems with this, that, and the other.  Can
 you give us some examples of something concrete (not abstractions
 like the truth or rational thinking and behavior) that you are _for_?

I'm no Fool, but he admires Windows 2000 and NTFS. I also think
he admires one religion, fundamentalist atheism.

Alberto Monteiro
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Re: Myers-Briggs

2006-05-07 Thread Charlie Bell


On 07/05/2006, at 3:37 PM, Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro wrote:


Ronn!Blankenship wrote:


Fool, I'm just curious.  Most of the articles you post are ones
claiming that there are problems with this, that, and the other.  Can
you give us some examples of something concrete (not abstractions
like the truth or rational thinking and behavior) that you are  
_for_?



I'm no Fool, but he admires Windows 2000 and NTFS. I also think
he admires one religion, fundamentalist atheism.


*wry smile* How can one be fundamentalist to a lack of belief?

There's a difference between atheism and antitheism.

Charlie
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Re: Myers-Briggs

2006-05-07 Thread Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro
Charlie Bell escreveu:

 I'm no Fool, but he admires Windows 2000 and NTFS. I also think
 he admires one religion, fundamentalist atheism.

 *wry smile* How can one be fundamentalist to a lack of belief?

By rejecting any possibility that God [or gods, or The Devil, etc] exists.

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Re: Myers-Briggs

2006-05-07 Thread Charlie Bell


On 07/05/2006, at 10:05 PM, Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro wrote:


Charlie Bell escreveu:



I'm no Fool, but he admires Windows 2000 and NTFS. I also think
he admires one religion, fundamentalist atheism.


*wry smile* How can one be fundamentalist to a lack of belief?

By rejecting any possibility that God [or gods, or The Devil, etc]  
exists.


So? Non-belief in the supernatural can't be fundamentalist, there's  
no scripture or dogma. It might be a belief, it might even be  
strident and loudly held, but it's a slightly different class of belief.


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Re: Myers-Briggs

2006-05-07 Thread Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro
Charlie Bell wrote:

 *wry smile* How can one be fundamentalist to a lack of belief?

 By rejecting any possibility that God [or gods, or The Devil, etc]
 exists.

 So? Non-belief in the supernatural can't be fundamentalist, there's
 no scripture or dogma.

Yes, there are. Das Kapital and the dogma that there ain't no such thing as 
a Dog.

 It might be a belief, it might even be 
 strident and loudly held, but it's a slightly different class of belief.

No, it's not, and this belief may have killed more people than all religions
put together - you missed this same discussion we had here about 6 months ago.

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Re: Myers-Briggs

2006-05-07 Thread Doug Pensinger

Alberto wrote:



It might be a belief, it might even be
strident and loudly held, but it's a slightly different class of belief.

No, it's not, and this belief may have killed more people than all 
religions
put together - you missed this same discussion we had here about 6 
months ago.


Wern't those people killed in the name of communism though?  Atheism != 
Communism.


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Re: Myers-Briggs

2006-05-07 Thread Charlie Bell


On 07/05/2006, at 10:40 PM, Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro wrote:


Charlie Bell wrote:



*wry smile* How can one be fundamentalist to a lack of belief?


By rejecting any possibility that God [or gods, or The Devil, etc]
exists.


So? Non-belief in the supernatural can't be fundamentalist, there's
no scripture or dogma.

Yes, there are. Das Kapital and the dogma that there ain't no  
such thing as

a Dog.


Still no. Lack of belief in x does not equal belief in not x. Active  
disbelief in a god or gods is a belief, but it's not dogma.





It might be a belief, it might even be
strident and loudly held, but it's a slightly different class of  
belief.


No, it's not, and this belief may have killed more people than all  
religions
put together - you missed this same discussion we had here about 6  
months ago.


I've seen that argued before, and it's bunk. It's not the atheism  
that killed people, it's the psychopaths in charge. In fact, the USSR  
was not officially atheist at all.


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Re: Myers-Briggs (was: Blog entry with interesting comment)

2006-05-07 Thread Robert J. Chassell
 Ten or fifteen years ago, I gave Kiersey style Myers-Briggs
 tests to dozen people I knew.

And anecdotal evidince has what value in science?

Well, you need not pay any attention to my report.  My experience was
that when I gave a test to a dozen people, I found that a bit more
than half the results matched the categories into which I fit people
in other ways.  Moreover, since I myself did the experiment and
followed the reasoning, I had an internal experience that I found
convincing to myself.

 Guardians of birthdays, holidays and celebrations,
 Virgo's are generous entertainers.  They enjoy and
 joyfully observe traditions and are liberal in giving,
 especially where custom prescribes.

 All else being equal, Virgo's enjoy being in charge.
 They see problems clearly and delegate easily, work hard
 and play with zest. Virgo's, bear strong allegiance to
 rights of seniority.  They willingly provide service
 (which embodies life's meaning) and expect the same from
 others.
 vrs
 Pices's are pensive, analytical folks. They may venture
 so deeply into thought as to seem detached, and often
 actually are oblivious to the world around them.

 Precise about their descriptions, Pices's will often
 correct others (or be sorely tempted to) if the shade of
 meaning is a bit off.  While annoying to the less
 concise, this fine discrimination ability gives Pices's
 so inclined a natural advantage as, for example,
 grammarians and linguists.

Reads like an astrology collumn in the newspaper.

Doesn't to me, unless of course, you pay attention to the names (like
Pices and Virgo).  To me, Forer's text as given in
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forer_effect
sounds much more like an astrology column.

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Re: Myers-Briggs

2006-05-07 Thread Charlie Bell


On 07/05/2006, at 10:49 PM, Doug Pensinger wrote:


Alberto wrote:



It might be a belief, it might even be
strident and loudly held, but it's a slightly different class of  
belief.


No, it's not, and this belief may have killed more people than all  
religions
put together - you missed this same discussion we had here about 6  
months ago.


Wern't those people killed in the name of communism though?   
Atheism != Communism.


Indeed. It wouldn't have made a difference whether the lunatics in  
charge believed in the Easter Bunny - they believed in planned  
economies under police states and THAT'S what killed people.


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Re: Myers-Briggs

2006-05-07 Thread Julia Thompson

Charlie Bell wrote:


On 07/05/2006, at 3:37 PM, Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro wrote:


Ronn!Blankenship wrote:


Fool, I'm just curious.  Most of the articles you post are ones
claiming that there are problems with this, that, and the other.  Can
you give us some examples of something concrete (not abstractions
like the truth or rational thinking and behavior) that you are 
_for_?



I'm no Fool, but he admires Windows 2000 and NTFS. I also think
he admires one religion, fundamentalist atheism.


*wry smile* How can one be fundamentalist to a lack of belief?

There's a difference between atheism and antitheism.


I think militant atheism is a better description of the philosophy 
apparently espoused by The Fool.


There is no text from which to be fundamentalist for atheism, as far 
as I know.  Militant is a reasonably accurate adjective to denote the 
passion with which this philosophy appears to be held.


If anyone is going to be militant regarding religious attitude, I would 
prefer to engage in debate with a militant agnostic above all other 
militants, personally.  (I don't know and you don't either!  You're 
right, I don't know.  Let's go have some lemonade together, OK?  Unless 
you're allergic to citrus or something.)


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Re: Myers-Briggs

2006-05-07 Thread Charlie Bell


On 07/05/2006, at 11:53 PM, Julia Thompson wrote:



I think militant atheism is a better description of the  
philosophy apparently espoused by The Fool.


Certainly is.



There is no text from which to be fundamentalist for atheism, as  
far as I know.  Militant is a reasonably accurate adjective to  
denote the passion with which this philosophy appears to be held.


Precisely.

If anyone is going to be militant regarding religious attitude, I  
would prefer to engage in debate with a militant agnostic above all  
other militants, personally.  (I don't know and you don't  
either!  You're right, I don't know.  Let's go have some lemonade  
together, OK?  Unless you're allergic to citrus or something.)


*chuckle*

Of course it's possible to be both agnostic and atheist - to accept  
that it's impossible to prove or disprove the existence of a deity,  
while believing that there isn't one.


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RE: Myers-Briggs

2006-05-07 Thread Dan Minette


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Charlie Bell
 Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 3:57 PM
 To: Killer Bs Discussion
 Subject: Re: Myers-Briggs
 
 
 On 07/05/2006, at 11:53 PM, Julia Thompson wrote:
 
 
  I think militant atheism is a better description of the
  philosophy apparently espoused by The Fool.
 
 Certainly is.
 
 
  There is no text from which to be fundamentalist for atheism, as
  far as I know.  Militant is a reasonably accurate adjective to
  denote the passion with which this philosophy appears to be held.
 
 Precisely.
 
  If anyone is going to be militant regarding religious attitude, I
  would prefer to engage in debate with a militant agnostic above all
  other militants, personally.  (I don't know and you don't
  either!  You're right, I don't know.  Let's go have some lemonade
  together, OK?  Unless you're allergic to citrus or something.)
 
 *chuckle*
 
 Of course it's possible to be both agnostic and atheist - to accept
 that it's impossible to prove or disprove the existence of a deity,
 while believing that there isn't one.

Well, then it's clearly possible to be an agnostic Christian by that
definition. A significant fraction of Christians would be agnostics, by your
definition...including me.  Even our pastor, who is fairly Evangelical,
agrees that there is no proof of the existence of God. 

Dan M.  


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Re: Myers-Briggs

2006-05-07 Thread Charlie Bell


On 08/05/2006, at 12:28 AM, Dan Minette wrote:


Well, then it's clearly possible to be an agnostic Christian by that
definition. A significant fraction of Christians would be  
agnostics, by your
definition...including me.  Even our pastor, who is fairly  
Evangelical,

agrees that there is no proof of the existence of God.


Certainly is possible. Huxley coined the term, and while it has come  
to mean not really sure or believe there's sort of something,  
it's originally the position that the true nature and existence of  
the deity is unknowable and unprovable. It's separating what we can  
know from what we believe. It's probably the only honest philosophy  
to have if you're a scientist.


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Brin: BASIC

2006-05-07 Thread The Fool
http://davidbrin.blogspot.com/2006/05/age-of-miracles-wonder.html

Only now it's insufficient. We'd like to make pixels move around on a
simulated CRT screen. And we DON'T want to do it using high-level
complex stuff like VISUAL BASIC. Old fashioned line coding, iterating
to move pixels according to simple algorithms. Is that too much to ask?
(Apparently so. In fact, the number of peopls who (last time) simply
could not even grasp what I was looking for, and kept recommending
complex, high-level stuff, shows what a mental block this is.)

--
I don't get it.  QBasic came standard with MS-DOS 5-7.  It runs in dos
mode (even in all versions of windows).  It does every single thing you
keep asking for, but you keep saying it is incomprehensible.  I just
don't get it.

So I just opened it right now and typed:

screen 12
line(0,0)-(10,10)

and hit run.

And guess what happened?

It drew a line from (0,0) to (10,10)

Simple.  No high level stuff whatsoever.  It Even does line numbers. 
When you use the basic PRINT command it, gosh, prints to the screen.  I
just dont get it.

When I open up some BASIC programs I wrote in the seventh grade like
this, they just worked:

RANDOMIZE TIMER
SCREEN 12
CLS
CLEAR
WHILE XCBVB  12
'APOCOS1:
X1 = INT(RND * 640 + 1)
Y1 = INT(RND * 480 + 1)
  FOR V = 1 TO (INT(RND * 25 + 5))
GOTO A
C:
C1 = INT(RND * 15)
RETURN
A:
'FOR 3D Z1 = INT(RND * 400 + 1)
A1 = INT(RND * 20 + 20)
FOR I = 1 TO A1
GOSUB C
CIRCLE (X1, Y1), I, C1
PAINT (X1, Y1), 0, C1 + 1
NEXT I
  NEXT V
  WEND


Nothing there that wasn't in apple basic or gwbasic except the line
numbers.  Real simple.

Or how about this one (being aware of line wrap around issues from
pasting into an email body):

CLS
CLEAR
RANDOMIZE TIMER
SCREEN 12
WINDOW SCREEN (-200, -200)-(440, 280)
Q: INPUT rotate in XZ or YZ {X,Y}; IN$
DIM R(3, 3)
DIM Z(3, 3)
IF IN$ = X THEN GOTO 1
IF IN$ = Y THEN GOTO 2
GOTO Q
1 :
X = INT(RND * 100)
   Q = INT(RND * 2 + 1)
   IF Q = 2 THEN X = -X
Y = INT(RND * 100)
   Q = INT(RND * 2 + 1)
   IF Q = 2 THEN Y = -Y

X1 = INT(RND * 100)
   Q = INT(RND * 2 + 1)
   IF Q = 2 THEN X1 = -X1
Y1 = INT(RND * 100)
   Q = INT(RND * 2 + 1)
   IF Q = 2 THEN Y1 = -Y1
Z = INT(RND * 100)
   Q = INT(RND * 2 + 1)
   IF Q = 2 THEN Z = -Z
Z1 = INT(RND * 100)
   Q = INT(RND * 2 + 1)
   IF Q = 2 THEN Z1 = -Z1
'CLEAR
X5 = INT(RND * 100)
   Q = INT(RND * 2 + 1)
   IF Q = 2 THEN X5 = -X5

Y5 = INT(RND * 100)
   Q = INT(RND * 2 + 1)
   IF Q = 2 THEN Y5 = -Y5

Z5 = INT(RND * 100)
   Q = INT(RND * 2 + 1)
   IF Q = 2 THEN Z5 = -Z5

FOR I = 0 TO 6.3 STEP .002
C = INT(RND * 15 + 1)
LINE (Z(1, 1) + Z(3, 1) / 10, Z(2, 1) + Z(3, 1)
/ 2.5)-(Z(1, 2) + Z(3, 2) / 10, Z(2, 2) + Z(3, 2) / 2.5), 0
LINE (Z(1, 1) + Z(3, 1) / 10, Z(2, 1) + Z(3, 1)
/ 2.5)-(Z(1, 3) + Z(3, 3) / 10, Z(2, 3) + Z(3, 3) / 2.5), 0
LINE (Z(1, 3) + Z(3, 3) / 10, Z(2, 3) + Z(3, 3)
/ 2.5)-(Z(1, 2) + Z(3, 2) / 10, Z(2, 2) + Z(3, 2) / 2.5), 0
   
R(1, 1) = (COS(I))
R(1, 2) = (COS(I))
R(1, 3) = (-SIN(I))
R(2, 1) = (COS(I))
R(2, 2) = (SIN(I))
R(2, 3) = (COS(I))
R(3, 1) = (SIN(I))
R(3, 2) = (COS(I))
R(3, 3) = (COS(I))
   
  Z(1, 1) = (R(1, 1) * X + R(1, 2) * Y + R(1, 3) * Z)
  Z(1, 2) = (R(1, 1) * X1 + R(1, 2) * Y1 + R(1, 3) *
Z1)
  Z(2, 1) = (R(2, 1) * X + R(2, 2) * Y + R(2, 3) * Z)
  Z(2, 2) = (R(2, 1) * X1 + R(2, 2) * Y1 + R(2, 3) *
Z1)
  Z(3, 1) = (R(3, 1) * X + R(3, 2) * Y + R(3, 3) * Z)
  Z(3, 2) = (R(3, 1) * X1 + R(3, 2) * Y1 + R(3, 3) *
Z1)
   Z(1, 3) = (R(1, 1) * X5 + R(1, 2) * Y5 + R(1, 3) *
Z5)
   Z(2, 3) = (R(1, 1) * X5 + R(1, 2) * Y5 + R(1, 3) *
Z5)
   Z(3, 3) = (R(1, 1) * X5 + R(1, 2) * Y5 + R(1, 3) *
Z5)
'IF ABS(SQR(Z(3, 1) ^ 2 + Z(3, 2) ^ 2))  50 THEN LET C = 13 ELSE C = 4
LINE (Z(1, 1) + Z(3, 1) / 10, Z(2, 1) + Z(3, 1)
/ 2.5)-(Z(1, 2) + Z(3, 2) / 10, Z(2, 2) + Z(3, 2) / 2.5), C
LINE (Z(1, 1) + Z(3, 1) / 10, Z(2, 1) + Z(3, 1)
/ 2.5)-(Z(1, 3) + Z(3, 3) / 10, Z(2, 3) + Z(3, 3) / 2.5), C
LINE (Z(1, 3) + Z(3, 3) / 10, Z(2, 3) + Z(3, 3)
/ 2.5)-(Z(1, 2) + Z(3, 2) / 10, Z(2, 2) + Z(3, 2) / 2.5), C

LET A = (SQR((Z(1, 2) - Z(1, 1)) ^ 2 + (Z(2, 2) - Z(2, 1)) ^ 2 + (Z(3,
2) - Z(3, 1)) ^ 2))
LET B = (SQR((Z(1, 3) - Z(1, 1)) ^ 2 + (Z(2, 3) - Z(2, 1)) ^ 2 + (Z(3,
3) - Z(3, 1)) ^ 2))
LET C = (SQR((Z(1, 2) - Z(1, 3)) ^ 2 + (Z(2, 2) - Z(2, 3)) ^ 2 + (Z(3,
2) - Z(3, 3)) ^ 2))
VIEW PRINT 27 TO 30
LOCATE 27, 1
PRINT A
PRINT B
PRINT C


NEXT I
GOTO Q
2 :
X = INT(RND * 100)
Y = INT(RND * 100)
X1 = INT(RND * 

Re: Brin: BASIC

2006-05-07 Thread Warren Ockrassa
Easy stuff first. I'm an OSX wonk and have been a while -- I 
participated in the public beta, back before the century turned, when 
my PowerBook, on its first load of the nascent OS, ran through a series 
of UNIX (actually Darwin, which is Apple's version of FreeBSD, which is 
technically not UNIX) style command-line load instructions before 
presenting me with a UI I'd seen in sccreenshots, but never actually 
hacked before.


It was definitely not pre-X Mac, and it definitely needed work. If you 
think X.4 is quirky, you should have seen the first version. Oy.


So if you need help there, let me know what with.

As to the BASIC question: I'll shoot you a counter-question: Why?

Assembly is the ultimate line-by-line language, but it's not 
necessarily the best instruction base for showing a kid how to do 
things onscreen. If you want to explore that direction, using line code 
without the benefit of an IDE, consider exploring JavaScript. It gives 
you the OOP the modern era expects along with options for linear 
execution, and best of all it runs in a browser layer. (That's best, 
because it means you can't accidentally include instructions that will, 
say, format the drive.)


It's also eminently portable. The syntax is funky but it follows the C 
model, which is used by Java, Perl (somewhat) and of course C++. Also, 
JS is the script engine of choice for Flash, which is (sigh) considered 
the pre-eminent core to use for multimedia online games, apps and so 
on.


Wanting to work in BASIC to show a kid how to hack code seems a little 
like trying to introduce a twelve-year-old to the wonders of having a 
ham radio license by insisting he learn Morse code. Start with world 
radio, then get him hooked on speaking by voice to human beings on the 
other side of the planet (unless he has an Xbox), then work *backward* 
to the understructure. It makes more sense pedagogically to begin with 
the fun light stuff and work into details as the student requests them.


Put another way, if an eight-year-old came to you with a story he'd 
just written, would you lecture him on syntax and spelling errors, or 
would you rather praise his imagination and willingness to try at all?


BASIC is not necessarily the best beginning for a computer engineering 
career. The fact is that code is written on a much more abstract level 
now, one which blurs the line between (for instance) graphics and 
interpreter commands. In your novel _Earth_ you don't make the 
ludicrous suggestion that sophisticated avatars are running commands 
such as 10 seek news; 20 goto 10. They will exist, but they won't be 
made on the linear programming level; they will be aggregates of 
pre-assembled, generic objects.



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Current work in progress The Seven-Year Mirror
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Re: Brin: BASIC

2006-05-07 Thread The Fool
 From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
 As to the BASIC question: I'll shoot you a counter-question: Why?
 

snip JavaSh!t and high level programming

Dr. Brin isn't interested in that high level stuff.  Too complicated. 
Not simple enough.  Don't bring it up again or he'll start getting,
really, really, really whiny (again).

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Re: Brin: BASIC

2006-05-07 Thread Warren Ockrassa
I'll ignore the ad hominem, but point out that OOP frameworks rock tha' 
hizzouse. That's why I wrote a 500+ page book on the topic for 
Osborne/McGraw-Hill, after all.



On May 7, 2006, at 5:54 PM, The Fool wrote:


From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED]


As to the BASIC question: I'll shoot you a counter-question: Why?



snip JavaSh!t and high level programming


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Xbox 360

2006-05-07 Thread Warren Ockrassa
OK, I've had to grudgingly admit there's one MS product that doesn't 
suck.


Since February I've been dabbling in the Dark Side in the form of (1) 
an original Xbox bought at the request of my surrogate son; and (2) a 
360 upgraded to when I had the chance.


Damn me, I actually like it. I have to shower each time I do it, but 
still I come back. I hate marketing, especially when it pushes useless 
crap on people who need the money to, oh, I don't know, eat maybe, but 
there's something more than a little addictive to the reality of racing 
live onscreen with other humans halfway across Earth, and listening to 
them as they talk and talking with them, and then learning they want to 
invite you to some other game.


I'm not lonesome or anything, but you know, this is pretty fun. Just 
this weekend I got friends online by doing Halo 2, PGR3 *and* Blazing 
Angels, all in one night.


(Friends being parlance meaning OK to play with -- real human 
friendships are based in a lot more than game theory. Right?)


Actually in BA I chose a Spitfire based on the recommendations of a 
Cockney eight-year-old or so who was wrong, ultimately, but quite 
authoritative. I switched eventually to a Corsair and spent most of the 
game time in blackout as I over-gee'd the stick. Sigh. Spitfire too 
little, Corsair too much. Something tweenish next time.


FWIW my gamertag is mamaEffword. Who else out there has a 360, and do 
you want to come and play? Now you know whom to address. ;)


FWIW, I suck at Halo 2. And, in fact, at all of the games I listed. But 
that's OK. I suck, but still enjoy playing, and meeting people online, 
and all the social stuff that -- hey, wonder -- has made the whole Xbox 
thing a force with which to be, genuinely, reckoned. Jump In is 
exactly the right tag and attitude for the Xbox 360 commercial team to 
adopt.


And, what's made the system palatable to me, it's very hard to find the 
Microsoft logo on any part of it. It's there, but it's small and very 
subtle. If Windows was marketed with this level of finesse, maybe MS 
would see itself being less generally hated.


See? Grudging.


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Re: Xbox 360

2006-05-07 Thread Damon Agretto


Actually in BA I chose a Spitfire based on the recommendations of a 
Cockney eight-year-old or so who was wrong, ultimately, but quite 
authoritative. I switched eventually to a Corsair and spent most of 
the game time in blackout as I over-gee'd the stick. Sigh. 
Spitfire too little, Corsair too much. Something tweenish next time.


FW-190A-8 is the magic answer. Small, fairly fast, maneuverable, and 
armed with FOUR 20mm cannons and a pair of 13mm machine guns...*drool*


Note that I am utterly unfamiliar with the game. Mainly speaking from 
RW knowledge...


Of course, I'd want to fly a Regia Aeronautica bf.109G just because 
I'm a stickler for the underdog...


Damon.


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Re: Brin: BASIC

2006-05-07 Thread Warren Ockrassa

Also, in re Paul Simon.

I think _Graceland_ is probably his best work ever. Lasers in the 
jungle, yes … but his human touch was and is astonishing. The 
Mississippi Delta was shining like a National guitar … I am following 
the highway to the cradle of the Civil War is a fantastic entrant 
verse to a profoundly sweet and intense ballad of self-discovery, 
combined with a terse mix of language, poetry and lyric that is, in 
this world of niggas with AKs, sorely hard to find.


I can't say for sure, but I bet Huey Freeman would agree.


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Re: Xbox 360

2006-05-07 Thread Warren Ockrassa

On May 7, 2006, at 8:18 PM, Damon Agretto wrote:



Actually in BA I chose a Spitfire based on the recommendations of a 
Cockney eight-year-old or so who was wrong, ultimately, but quite 
authoritative. I switched eventually to a Corsair and spent most of 
the game time in blackout as I over-gee'd the stick. Sigh. Spitfire 
too little, Corsair too much. Something tweenish next time.


FW-190A-8 is the magic answer. Small, fairly fast, maneuverable, and 
armed with FOUR 20mm cannons and a pair of 13mm machine guns...*drool*


Note that I am utterly unfamiliar with the game. Mainly speaking from 
RW knowledge...


Of course, I'd want to fly a Regia Aeronautica bf.109G just because 
I'm a stickler for the underdog...


I *think* the Focke-Wulf 190 is an option but I don't know if it can 
get that specific. An interesting idea, though.


One of the things the US learned in the Cold War era was that the 
Soviet MiGs flew like bricks, but had the best guns ANYWHERE. Sometimes 
maneuverability isn't as important as flying a big fat cannon.


I know the FW was fast and light, not as heavy as the ME-109 -- the 
idea of using one never hit me. Hmm. Armor vs. … hmm.



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Re: Xbox 360

2006-05-07 Thread Dave Land

On May 7, 2006, at 8:06 PM, Warren Ockrassa wrote:

snip a bit of self-loathing over liking the Xbox

(Friends being parlance meaning OK to play with -- real human  
friendships are based in a lot more than game theory. Right?)


Based on some of the threads around here lately, I think there are  
some who would not accept the existence of friendship without a  
double-blind test.


Dave Land

Blinded By Science Maru
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Re: Xbox 360

2006-05-07 Thread Warren Ockrassa

Yeah, well, fuck 'em.

On May 7, 2006, at 9:49 PM, Dave Land wrote:

Based on some of the threads around here lately, I think there are 
some who would not accept the existence of friendship without a 
double-blind test.


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Re: Xbox 360

2006-05-07 Thread Dave Land

Not without scientific proof that they are, in fact, my friends.

On May 7, 2006, at 10:28 PM, Warren Ockrassa wrote:


Yeah, well, fuck 'em.

On May 7, 2006, at 9:49 PM, Dave Land wrote:

Based on some of the threads around here lately, I think there are  
some who would not accept the existence of friendship without a  
double-blind test.


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Current work in progress The Seven-Year Mirror
http://books.nightwares.com/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf
http://books.nightwares.com/ockrassa/Storms_on_a_Flat_Placid_Sea.pdf

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Re: Xbox 360

2006-05-07 Thread Warren Ockrassa

Or, at least, spermicidal condoms. ;)

On May 7, 2006, at 10:36 PM, Dave Land wrote:


Not without scientific proof that they are, in fact, my friends.

On May 7, 2006, at 10:28 PM, Warren Ockrassa wrote:


Yeah, well, fuck 'em.

On May 7, 2006, at 9:49 PM, Dave Land wrote:

Based on some of the threads around here lately, I think there are 
some who would not accept the existence of friendship without a 
double-blind test.


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