date:20050602

Re: fix for moving legacy code to application.cfc w/ local variables

2005-06-02 Thread Sean Corfield

On 6/2/05, S. Isaac Dealey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Yikes, including Application.cfm in both onRequest() and
onApplicationStart() is very unlikely to work the way you expect...

Where are your  settings in the
pseudo-constructor? You *must* have those in order to give your
application a name etc.  does not work inside
Application.cfc because the values need to be set before any methods
are called.

Read the migration docs in the manual - they go into great detail
about how to convert from Application.cfm to Application.cfc.
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Re: fix for moving legacy code to application.cfc w/ local variab les

2005-06-02 Thread Sean Corfield

On 6/2/05, Dave Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No, don't use OnRequest - that will replace the page that was actually
> requested. You could use OnRequestStart, or just put them in the
> "pseudo-constructor" area I think.

No, if you want page-local variables to be accessible in the requested
page, you *must* use onRequest().

If you do not use onRequest(), variables set in onRequestStart() are
accessible in onRequestEnd() but not in the main page you requested.

As soon as you use onRequest(), all three methods share the same
variables scope and onRequest() s the requested page.

However, you cannot use onRequest() in an Application.cfc that
controls CFCs that are accessed as Web Services, via Flash Remoting or
as Event Gateways. Read the documentation for more details on that.
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RE: Shared CF Host security

2005-06-02 Thread dave

I don't think they have gotten to all the servers yet, just mine :) 

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From: "James Holmes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 11:01 PM
To: CF-Talk 
Subject: RE: Shared CF Host security 

Well, this isn't the case on my SmarterLinux server. I can still browse,
download and view every file on the server using JSP. 

-Original Message-
From: Jamie Price [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, 3 June 2005 6:06 
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Shared CF Host security

Don't ever let it be said that we don't listen to the voices of our
clients. :-) We've implemented a fix for this security issue that
spans all of our Linux servers running ColdFusion. Here's a synopsis
from one of the techs involved in implementing the change:

"We actually run two J2EE environments - JRun and Resin. While JRun
does handle the Java processing for ColdFusion, Resin handles the
requests for JSP pages and servlets.

Java implements a security policy system that can prevent access. We
have implemented security managemetn in the Resin server to prevent JSP
pages from being able to read arbitrary files on the server. We have
restricted code from each customer's home directory to:

1) a lengthy list of files and directories that Java and Resin require
internally
2) log files for the site and for Resin
3) that customer's home directory."

So, security in a shared hosting environment isn't exactly a myth, it
just takes a little more work and flexibility. If anyone needs a more
technical explanation of what we did, please let me know via email
and/or a post here and I'd be happy to assist.



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RE: Shared CF Host security

2005-06-02 Thread James Holmes

Well, this isn't the case on my SmarterLinux server. I can still browse,
download and view every file on the server using JSP. 

-Original Message-
From: Jamie Price [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, 3 June 2005 6:06 
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Shared CF Host security

Don't ever let it be said that we don't listen to the voices of our
clients.  :-)  We've implemented a fix for this security issue that
spans all of our Linux servers running ColdFusion.  Here's a synopsis
from one of the techs involved in implementing the change:

"We actually run two J2EE environments - JRun and Resin.  While JRun
does handle the Java processing for ColdFusion, Resin handles the
requests for JSP pages and servlets.

Java implements a security policy system that can prevent access.  We
have implemented security managemetn in the Resin server to prevent JSP
pages from being able to read arbitrary files on the server.  We have
restricted code from each customer's home directory to:

1) a lengthy list of files and directories that Java and Resin require
internally
2) log files for the site and for Resin
3) that customer's home directory."

So, security in a shared hosting environment isn't exactly a myth, it
just takes a little more work and flexibility.  If anyone needs a more
technical explanation of what we did, please let me know via email
and/or a post here and I'd be happy to assist.

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RE: Shared CF Host security

2005-06-02 Thread James Holmes

I'll second that - I was the whiner that started this post and I have to
say that most hosts would have invited me to take my business elsewhere
instead of putting in the work to create a more secure environment.

We'll see how this solution goes.

-Original Message-
From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, 3 June 2005 7:04 
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Shared CF Host security

Thanks for the post, Jamie.  I actually have a SmarterLinux hosting acct
with you guys that runs my last-ditch server monitor for my dedicated
boxes.  Not exactly top secret code but its nice to see you guys make
this effort, especially given how rare such effort is these days.

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Re: cffile and Flash Forms

2005-06-02 Thread Bryan Stevenson

> Bryan,
> 
> Doing it that way however won't keep the image details in that one  
> same form though will it?  It' would be two separate ones right?
> 
> Saturday

yep...a 2 step form...1 is fill in everything else..step 2 upload image

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RE: CF vs LAMP

2005-06-02 Thread dave

" The flexibility / complexity of Perl makes it easier to write code that 
another author / coder has a hard time reading."

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From: "Russ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 7:58 PM
To: CF-Talk 
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP 

Well the company we're going against is running some pretty big sites on
perl (from what I understand). I've coded in perl before, and although I
love it for what it can do for server processing tasks, it's a pain to code
websites in it... and yet people do it... 

Since we all understand what a bad idea it is to write web sites in perl as
opposed to CF, can some people post some concrete arguments of why? 

Russ

-Original Message-
From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 7:52 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP

" I mean we can conceivably run our code in Linux,
 definitely on Apache, and possibly on MySQL... the only difference becomes
 CF vs Perl... "
 how about scalability and maintance, I can't even imagine what a nightmare
it would be to maintain it in perl. 
 Plus, I think the only person who still writes perl is my grandpa

 I " conceivably " run a lot of sites everyday 24/7 even ;) on cfmx7,
apache, linux & mysql, hell it runs better than cfmx7, access/ ms sql, iis,
faster too and is even cheaper too boot.

 I think you are looking at this backwards, maybe get someone to show you
why perl would be a better choice for dev'n on because I'm not sure it could
be done unless you are only gunna be writing command line functions.

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From: "Russ" 
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 7:33 PM
To: CF-Talk 
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP 

This was actually my original question... CF vs LAMP where the P stands for
Perl. Can somebody provide some examples, please, of CF being better then
Perl for web development. I mean we can conceivably run our code in Linux,
definitely on Apache, and possibly on MySQL... the only difference becomes
CF vs Perl... 



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RE: CF vs LAMP

2005-06-02 Thread dave

all the major ones are perfectly capable products, there is no doubt. 

 The thing about php is like you said earlier, their strong point is also what 
hurts them. They have all these plug and play modules and anyone can just plug 
them in and go and they think they are now "programmers" but I'll betcha a good 
chunk of them could write a db call and recordset return if you asked them too. 
Sure the plugins are nice (i used phpbb all the time) but what happens when 
something breaks? can they dig in and fix it? no, probably not. Like right now 
I am doing that with cartweaver, which seamed fairly good until you want to 
customize it (Or clean up the code) while its a plugin at least I can go in and 
fix it while most of these ppl can't.

 I think the problem is that people make their decisions based upon the 
starting price, whereas it should be the ending price.

 I think the argument he should take is exactly that, show them the final price 
and since they are talking perl also show them a average maintenance price, 
they are just getting stuck up on the initial price and that's were most ppl 
give up.

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From: "Kevin Aebig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 5:13 PM
To: CF-Talk 
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP 

>> if you need more power in php whatcha gunna do?
I've literally yet to find anything I couldn't do with stock PHP. If I did,
theres always this... a lovely little API that they embrace you to use when
everything goes south. http://ca3.php.net/manual/en/zend.php

>>And who is php backed by again?? oh yeah "we the people"
Well, like MySQL, PHP is actually overseen by ZEND, a company created by 2
of the Senior Developers. They choose to help support it and provide extra
utilities to make their money.

I can agree with you that the community has bloated PHP, and even agree that
its a faster development tool. But aside from that, its pretty well neck in
neck... and thats good for both languages. Competition breeds innovation.

Sincerely,

Kevin

-Original Message-
From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 2:42 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP

exactly!

 I guess Simon  is trying to say that if I buy a car and everytime it
breaks down they will send someone to fix it (even from germany) and he
thinks thats a BAD thing? I guess it would be better to take it down to
jimmy joes house and confer with the locals about what to do with it, maybe
google the problem a bit, maybe find a half-assed answer and then try it and
if it gets messed up to bad cause there is really noone to back it up.
Sounds good to me, guess i'm gunna ditch cfm and go with that cause gee it
sure sounds swell wally.

 But his comparison has a point. I know when I have problems with my MM
stuff that I can call my rep and he'll come over and find me a solution
thats actually backed by the company. And who is php backed by again?? oh
yeah "we the people", which sounds nice but "we the people" also are the
ones who send us viruses as well, do you know them? do you trust them? are
they required to tell you the correct thing to do if you have a problem? or
could they be telling something that will corrupt everything you have
already done?

 If you like php thats great but like i said in last post, if you put up cfm
in a fair fight with equal quality coders in php, asp, .net, jsp, perl,
whatever, cfm still gets it done faster and in the end cheaper. And if you
need additional power then you can run java in it and you have all you need,
if you need more power in php whatcha gunna do?

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RE: CF vs LAMP

2005-06-02 Thread Russ

Well the company we're going against is running some pretty big sites on
perl (from what I understand).  I've coded in perl before, and although I
love it for what it can do for server processing tasks, it's a pain to code
websites in it... and yet people do it... 

Since we all understand what a bad idea it is to write web sites in perl as
opposed to CF, can some people post some concrete arguments of why?  

Russ

-Original Message-
From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 7:52 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP

" I mean we can conceivably run our code in Linux,
 definitely on Apache, and possibly on MySQL... the only difference becomes
 CF vs Perl... "
 how about scalability and maintance, I can't even imagine what a nightmare
it would be to maintain it in perl. 
 Plus, I think the only person who still writes perl is my grandpa

 I " conceivably " run a lot of sites everyday 24/7 even ;) on cfmx7,
apache, linux & mysql, hell it runs better than cfmx7, access/ ms sql, iis,
faster too and is even cheaper too boot.

 I think you are looking at this backwards, maybe get someone to show you
why perl would be a better choice for dev'n on because I'm not sure it could
be done unless you are only gunna be writing command line functions.

~Dave the disruptor~
This bottle of lemonaid says "contains no lemon juice" 
and the can of Pledge says "contains real lemon juice"
figures @%*((&% 


From: "Russ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 7:33 PM
To: CF-Talk 
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP 

This was actually my original question... CF vs LAMP where the P stands for
Perl. Can somebody provide some examples, please, of CF being better then
Perl for web development. I mean we can conceivably run our code in Linux,
definitely on Apache, and possibly on MySQL... the only difference becomes
CF vs Perl... 







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RE: CF vs LAMP

2005-06-02 Thread Calvin Ward

If it's perl, just write identical functionality in both CF and perl and
present it to your interested parties.

- Calvin

-Original Message-
From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 7:32 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP

This was actually my original question... CF vs LAMP where the P stands for
Perl.  Can somebody provide some examples, please, of CF being better then
Perl for web development.  I mean we can conceivably run our code in Linux,
definitely on Apache, and possibly on MySQL... the only difference becomes
CF vs Perl... 

-Original Message-
From: Damien McKenna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 6:02 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP

> There was a time when this is exactly what eveyone said of CF -
> it was "too easy" and it's sites where "bad" and it was easy
> to write "bad code that works".

As opposed to the Perl of the day where you needed to be touch the ether
to understand...

In general, bad planning (or no planning at all) can bring about some
truly aweful work, regardless of what technologies you use.

-- 
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RE: CF vs LAMP

2005-06-02 Thread Russ

Well how many people on the list here even know anyone that's made changes
to the PHP code (and I mean the core PHP code, the code that makes PHP
tick)?  It might make you feel better that you could change the code if you
wanted to, but how many actually do it?  

I mean theoretically, you could decompile the CF class files, and make
changes to it and compile it back (you'd need a pretty good decompiler
though).  And theoretically you could send those changes to Macromedia for
them to incorporate the bug fixes into their next patch.  Personally, I
think it's easier to decompile ColdFusion and make changes to the java code,
then to try to fix up PHP's C code (assuming PHP is written in C).  

Russ 

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From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 7:42 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP

right and thats one of those things were they say they will do it but never
actually dig in and change the underlying code.

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From: "Russ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 7:31 PM
To: CF-Talk 
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP 

You know guys, you can just decompile the coldfusion class files if you're
really interested in what's 'Under the Hood'. It's sort of like unwelding
the hood on your car, but without messing up the car... 







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RE: CF vs LAMP

2005-06-02 Thread dave

" I mean we can conceivably run our code in Linux,
 definitely on Apache, and possibly on MySQL... the only difference becomes
 CF vs Perl... "
 how about scalability and maintance, I can't even imagine what a nightmare it 
would be to maintain it in perl. 
 Plus, I think the only person who still writes perl is my grandpa

 I " conceivably " run a lot of sites everyday 24/7 even ;) on cfmx7, apache, 
linux & mysql, hell it runs better than cfmx7, access/ ms sql, iis, faster too 
and is even cheaper too boot.

 I think you are looking at this backwards, maybe get someone to show you why 
perl would be a better choice for dev'n on because I'm not sure it could be 
done unless you are only gunna be writing command line functions.

~Dave the disruptor~
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and the can of Pledge says "contains real lemon juice"
figures @%*((&% 


From: "Russ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 7:33 PM
To: CF-Talk 
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP 

This was actually my original question... CF vs LAMP where the P stands for
Perl. Can somebody provide some examples, please, of CF being better then
Perl for web development. I mean we can conceivably run our code in Linux,
definitely on Apache, and possibly on MySQL... the only difference becomes
CF vs Perl... 





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RE: CF vs LAMP

2005-06-02 Thread dave

right and thats one of those things were they say they will do it but never 
actually dig in and change the underlying code.

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From: "Russ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 7:31 PM
To: CF-Talk 
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP 

You know guys, you can just decompile the coldfusion class files if you're
really interested in what's 'Under the Hood'. It's sort of like unwelding
the hood on your car, but without messing up the car... 





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Re: Shared CF Host security

2005-06-02 Thread dave

fyi~ for those who don't know Jamie is from Hostmysite.com, smarterlinux.com.

 while it was a issue at least it has been resolved and the "other" unnamed 
(ct) host as far as my knowledge not taking it seriously as of yet, even though 
they claimed they were secure and it wouldn't happen there we tried it and it 
did.

 So anyways, thanks Jamie :)
 tis why you will get my business :) (and harassment haha)

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From: Matt Robertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 7:06 PM
To: CF-Talk 
Subject: Re: Shared CF Host security 

Thanks for the post, Jamie. I actually have a SmarterLinux hosting
acct with you guys that runs my last-ditch server monitor for my
dedicated boxes. Not exactly top secret code but its nice to see you
guys make this effort, especially given how rare such effort is these
days.

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RE: CF vs LAMP

2005-06-02 Thread Russ

This was actually my original question... CF vs LAMP where the P stands for
Perl.  Can somebody provide some examples, please, of CF being better then
Perl for web development.  I mean we can conceivably run our code in Linux,
definitely on Apache, and possibly on MySQL... the only difference becomes
CF vs Perl... 

-Original Message-
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Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP

> There was a time when this is exactly what eveyone said of CF -
> it was "too easy" and it's sites where "bad" and it was easy
> to write "bad code that works".

As opposed to the Perl of the day where you needed to be touch the ether
to understand...

In general, bad planning (or no planning at all) can bring about some
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Re: cffile and Flash Forms

2005-06-02 Thread dave

you can do it with a java workaround but not out of a flash form

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Bryan,

Doing it that way however won't keep the image details in that one 
same form though will it? It' would be two separate ones right?

Saturday

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> Do it in a regular HTML pop-up window that is opened from within Flash
>
> Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
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RE: CF vs LAMP

2005-06-02 Thread Russ

You know guys, you can just decompile the coldfusion class files if you're
really interested in what's 'Under the Hood'.  It's sort of like unwelding
the hood on your car, but without messing up the car... 

-Original Message-
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Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 5:09 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF vs LAMP

On Thursday 02 June 2005 13:42, dave wrote:
>  I guess  Simon  is trying to say that if I buy a car and everytime it
> breaks down they will send someone to fix it (even from germany) and he
> thinks thats a BAD thing? I guess it would be better to take it down to
> jimmy joes house and confer with the locals about what to do with it,
maybe
> google the problem a bit, maybe find a half-assed answer and then try it
> and if it gets messed up to bad cause there is really noone to back it up.
> Sounds good to me, guess i'm gunna ditch cfm and go with that cause gee it
> sure sounds swell wally.

Well, you gotta figure that there are people who *prefer* that approach.  If

you want to keep the hood of your car welded shut, that's fine with me, and 
have fun with your 'Vette.  I'm personally not going to give you grief about

it, because you're probably quite a capable driver.

There are those of us, though, who aren't too sure about the mechanics.
Seems 
like every time we call them out to fix the car, they end up breaking 
something else, then putting in a whole bunch of stuff that I don't want or 
need and that just hinders what I want to do.  Automatic transmission may be

nice, but I know I can maximize my standard transmission to get better 
performance from the car, and I resent the fact that I can't even *get* 
manual transmission.  There's also the fact that I don't really want my car 
reporting back to the manufacturer, making sure I'm driving it properly.

And when I open the hood of my car, I can see exactly what's going on, where

all the parts are, what they're doing to each other, and so on.  If I don't 
want that fancy flywheel that does nothing but sit there looking pretty, I 
can take it out.  If I'm having a problem with a specific component, I can 
open the hood and fix it myself; or I can Google the problem, or contact 
other experts who have better insight into the problem than I do, and I can 
do it for free.  (To be fair, though, you can do the same with your 
sealed-hood 'Vette, so comparing how the two different approaches set up and

maintain support systems and knowledge bases is probably irrelevant.  I 
*could* pay lots more money for a dedicated help system for my 'Vette, but 
why bother when the help I can get for free is just as good?)

And, of course, there are the issues of security.  The 'Vette may have a 
sealed hood, a nice support system, may go fast and have great performance, 
but it does me no good if the lock is broken.  I could keep putting new 
keyholes in the same lock, but I'd prefer the option of opening the lock 
mechanism and fixing it directly.

So I think it's all a matter of philosophy, worldview, and personal 
preference.  You like your shiny 'Vette which you pay good money to
maintain, 
and I prefer my old Dodge which is cheaper and older but seems to perform 
just as well and which I built myself and maintain myself.

Where it breaks down -- and where I personally take offense -- is the point 
where I'm no longer given the choice.  Just as I resent the fact that I 
cannot buy a car with manual transmission, I seriously resent the 
manufacturers who tell me that a sealed hood is my only option.  I don't 
resent those who tell me that a sealed hood is the *better* option (because
I 
tell them that an open hood is the better option), but if I don't even have
a 
choice to invest in a cheaper option that I can maintain myself, then I'm 
going to get mad.

I'll stop this rant short, though, before I get into issues of politics and 
economy.  ;-)

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CF varible use in an online editor

2005-06-02 Thread Doug Bedient

This may be obvious but is there a way to use CF variables in a web based 
editor?

Thanks for any help.

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BoogieBounce CFX

2005-06-02 Thread Russ

I am currently using boogieBounce on MX 6.1 with no problems, but I'm trying
to move it to it's own server, and run it on BlueDragon Free Server, and
it's giving me an error saying that it doesn't support CFOBJECT Type="com".


 

Is there a way to get BoogieBounce running on BlueDragon?  I heard there was
a CFX tag floating around somewhere..

 

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Re: cffile and Flash Forms

2005-06-02 Thread Saturday (Stuart Kidd)

Bryan,

Doing it that way however won't keep the image details in that one  
same form though will it?  It' would be two separate ones right?

Saturday

On 2 Jun 2005, at 23:12, Bryan Stevenson wrote:

> Do it in a regular HTML pop-up window that is opened from within Flash
>
> Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
> VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
> Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
> phone: 250.480.0642
> fax: 250.480.1264
> cell: 250.920.8830
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> web: www.electricedgesystems.com
>
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Re: Shared CF Host security

2005-06-02 Thread Matt Robertson

Thanks for the post, Jamie.  I actually have a SmarterLinux hosting
acct with you guys that runs my last-ditch server monitor for my
dedicated boxes.  Not exactly top secret code but its nice to see you
guys make this effort, especially given how rare such effort is these
days.

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RE: Shared CF Host security

2005-06-02 Thread Dave Watts

> "We actually run two J2EE environments - JRun and Resin.  
> While JRun does handle the Java processing for ColdFusion, 
> Resin handles the requests for JSP pages and servlets.

What happens if you use getPageContext.include() from within a CFML page to
invoke a JSP page directly?

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Re: Shared CF Host security

2005-06-02 Thread Jochem van Dieten

Jamie Price wrote:
> 
> "We actually run two J2EE environments - JRun and Resin.  While JRun does 
> handle the Java processing for ColdFusion, Resin handles the requests for JSP 
> pages and servlets.
> 
> Java implements a security policy system that can prevent access.  We have 
> implemented security managemetn in the Resin server to prevent JSP pages from 
> being able to read arbitrary files on the server.  We have restricted code 
> from each customer's home directory to:
> 
> 1) a lengthy list of files and directories that Java and Resin require 
> internally
> 2) log files for the site and for Resin
> 3) that customer's home directory."

So you moved .jsp processing from JRun to Resin, and then secured 
Resin using Policy Files. Are you still using the Sandboxes 
functionality native to CF to secure CF or are you using Policy 
Files there too?


> So, security in a shared hosting environment isn't exactly a myth, it just 
> takes a little more work and flexibility.  If anyone needs a more technical 
> explanation of what we did, please let me know via email and/or a post here 
> and I'd be happy to assist.

I am very interested.

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Re: cffile and Flash Forms

2005-06-02 Thread Bryan Stevenson

Do it in a regular HTML pop-up window that is opened from within Flash

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Re: Shared CF Host security

2005-06-02 Thread Bryan Stevenson

> Don't ever let it be said that we don't listen to the voices of our 
> clients.  :-)

and Jamie you are from what company?? ;-)

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RE: Send email in Outlook

2005-06-02 Thread Paul Vernon

If you are running an IMAP server like Exchange and CF can talk to that
server and you are running CF on Windows then CFX_IMAP4 can be used to
upload an e-mail to a specific folder in a specific account on the Exchange
server... The content of the mail can be controlled fully from ColdFusion
that way.

http://store.newmediadevelopment.net/cfx_tag.cfm?ProductID=15

PDF documentation can be found here

http://store.newmediadevelopment.net/productdocumentation/cfx_imap4.pdf

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Re: cffile and Flash Forms

2005-06-02 Thread Andy Allan

No, the Flash player currently doesn't support file uploads, hence why
you can't do it.

Andy

On 6/2/05, Saturday (Stuart Kidd) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi guys,
> 
> Does anyone know whether it's possible to have a  name="myImage"> in a Flash Form?  I'm coming across some problems.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Saturday
> 
> 
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Re: Shared CF Host security

2005-06-02 Thread Jamie Price

Don't ever let it be said that we don't listen to the voices of our clients.  
:-)  We've implemented a fix for this security issue that spans all of our 
Linux servers running ColdFusion.  Here's a synopsis from one of the techs 
involved in implementing the change:

"We actually run two J2EE environments - JRun and Resin.  While JRun does 
handle the Java processing for ColdFusion, Resin handles the requests for JSP 
pages and servlets.

Java implements a security policy system that can prevent access.  We have 
implemented security managemetn in the Resin server to prevent JSP pages from 
being able to read arbitrary files on the server.  We have restricted code from 
each customer's home directory to:

1) a lengthy list of files and directories that Java and Resin require 
internally
2) log files for the site and for Resin
3) that customer's home directory."

So, security in a shared hosting environment isn't exactly a myth, it just 
takes a little more work and flexibility.  If anyone needs a more technical 
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RE: Send email in Outlook

2005-06-02 Thread Damien McKenna

I think part of the mentality is that managers want to "fix" the email
before it goes.  I've dealt with people who write something in MSWord,
paste it into an AOL email, I then paste it from the company-standard
Outlook into TinyMCE and send it via CFMAIL, and they wonder why it
doesn't look exactly the way they sent it.

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> Why does everyone think that email is "the" place to work?  Is there
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> because people are scared of a browser?
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RE: CF vs LAMP

2005-06-02 Thread Damien McKenna

> There was a time when this is exactly what eveyone said of CF -
> it was "too easy" and it's sites where "bad" and it was easy
> to write "bad code that works".

As opposed to the Perl of the day where you needed to be touch the ether
to understand...

In general, bad planning (or no planning at all) can bring about some
truly aweful work, regardless of what technologies you use.

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cffile and Flash Forms

2005-06-02 Thread Saturday (Stuart Kidd)

Hi guys,

Does anyone know whether it's possible to have a  in a Flash Form?  I'm coming across some problems.

Thanks,

Saturday


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RE: CF vs LAMP

2005-06-02 Thread Mark A Kruger

Dave,

- you wrote ---
 One thing I can say about cfm users is that if you see a site in cfm it
usually isn't to bad, I seriously can't say that about php.
--


Personally I can't beleive this thread is still going - but I'm pleased to
see that some language has taken over the mantle of the "bad code bearer".
It was becoming such a burden. There was a time when this is exactly what
eveyone said of CF - it was "too easy" and it's sites where "bad" and it was
easy to write "bad code that works".  Makes me nostolgic  :)

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RE: Send email in Outlook

2005-06-02 Thread Dawson, Michael

Why does everyone think that email is "the" place to work?  Is there
some sort of workflow that will originate in Outlook or is it just
because people are scared of a browser?

If this content gets into Outlook, but is never forwarded to anyone,
then there is little point in doing it.

Other than that, probably the quickest way is to use CFMAIL.

M!ke 

-Original Message-
From: Les Mizzell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 2:51 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Send email in Outlook

I just got an interesting request...

Instead of the Email/E-Newsletter management system that I was planning
to build for a client, they've now asked:

(When opening a dynamic CF page with client verification info on it..)

"Can we just click a button to get all the information into Outlook so
we can do whatever we want to it from there?"

Short of some serious programming involving gawd knows what
DOM/tweaks/VB something - I don't think there is really a way to do
that, right?

Hell, just open the CF page, copy and paste?


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Re: CF vs LAMP

2005-06-02 Thread Richard Crawford

On Thursday 02 June 2005 14:14, Kevin Aebig wrote:
> We can drop the example anytime... I'm sure everyone here is smart enough
> to get it.

Sorry to bother you.  I was hoping to expand on Dave's metaphor to explain why 
I have a different viewpoint than he does.  It certainly wasn't my intention 
to annoy you.

On the whole, though, this is probably a thread that's better off being 
ignored anyway.

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RE: CF / CSS / IE

2005-06-02 Thread Adkins, Randy

Any ideas on this??

-Original Message-
From: Adkins, Randy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 4:06 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF / CSS / IE

Here is the snippet of the code.. Here is an image of what it would Look
like with IE:  http://www.demo-apps.com/css_error.png

Open Tickets
http://support.mindkeeper.net/images/nav_divider.gif"; WIDTH="500"
HEIGHT="2">

Click on a ticket number to view or change
that ticket's contents.
Display Records 1 to 2 of 2
records.   

Ticket
Client
Company Name
Category
Title
Last Updated

C101
Papa Smurf
Smurf Village
Some Smurf web page
page error
Grandpa Smurf

C102
Papa Smurf
Smurf Village
Some Smurf web page for
Smurfville
page error
Grandpa Smurf

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From: Damien McKenna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 3:51 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF / CSS / IE

Care to post an actual code snippet?

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RE: CF vs LAMP

2005-06-02 Thread Kevin Aebig

Do I need an oil change? =P

We can drop the example anytime... I'm sure everyone here is smart enough to
get it.

Cheers,

Kevin

-Original Message-
From: Richard Crawford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 3:09 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF vs LAMP

On Thursday 02 June 2005 13:42, dave wrote:
>  I guess  Simon  is trying to say that if I buy a car and everytime it
> breaks down they will send someone to fix it (even from germany) and he
> thinks thats a BAD thing? I guess it would be better to take it down to
> jimmy joes house and confer with the locals about what to do with it,
maybe
> google the problem a bit, maybe find a half-assed answer and then try it
> and if it gets messed up to bad cause there is really noone to back it up.
> Sounds good to me, guess i'm gunna ditch cfm and go with that cause gee it
> sure sounds swell wally.

Well, you gotta figure that there are people who *prefer* that approach.  If
you want to keep the hood of your car welded shut, that's fine with me, and
have fun with your 'Vette.  I'm personally not going to give you grief about
it, because you're probably quite a capable driver.

There are those of us, though, who aren't too sure about the mechanics.
Seems
like every time we call them out to fix the car, they end up breaking
something else, then putting in a whole bunch of stuff that I don't want or
need and that just hinders what I want to do.  Automatic transmission may be
nice, but I know I can maximize my standard transmission to get better
performance from the car, and I resent the fact that I can't even *get*
manual transmission.  There's also the fact that I don't really want my car
reporting back to the manufacturer, making sure I'm driving it properly.

And when I open the hood of my car, I can see exactly what's going on, where
all the parts are, what they're doing to each other, and so on.  If I don't
want that fancy flywheel that does nothing but sit there looking pretty, I
can take it out.  If I'm having a problem with a specific component, I can
open the hood and fix it myself; or I can Google the problem, or contact
other experts who have better insight into the problem than I do, and I can
do it for free.  (To be fair, though, you can do the same with your
sealed-hood 'Vette, so comparing how the two different approaches set up and
maintain support systems and knowledge bases is probably irrelevant.  I
*could* pay lots more money for a dedicated help system for my 'Vette, but
why bother when the help I can get for free is just as good?)

And, of course, there are the issues of security.  The 'Vette may have a
sealed hood, a nice support system, may go fast and have great performance,
but it does me no good if the lock is broken.  I could keep putting new
keyholes in the same lock, but I'd prefer the option of opening the lock
mechanism and fixing it directly.

So I think it's all a matter of philosophy, worldview, and personal
preference.  You like your shiny 'Vette which you pay good money to
maintain,
and I prefer my old Dodge which is cheaper and older but seems to perform
just as well and which I built myself and maintain myself.

Where it breaks down -- and where I personally take offense -- is the point
where I'm no longer given the choice.  Just as I resent the fact that I
cannot buy a car with manual transmission, I seriously resent the
manufacturers who tell me that a sealed hood is my only option.  I don't
resent those who tell me that a sealed hood is the *better* option (because
I
tell them that an open hood is the better option), but if I don't even have
a
choice to invest in a cheaper option that I can maintain myself, then I'm
going to get mad.

I'll stop this rant short, though, before I get into issues of politics and
economy.  ;-)

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RE: CF vs LAMP

2005-06-02 Thread Kevin Aebig

>> if you need more power in php whatcha gunna do?
I've literally yet to find anything I couldn't do with stock PHP. If I did,
theres always this... a lovely little API that they embrace you to use when
everything goes south. http://ca3.php.net/manual/en/zend.php

>>And who is php backed by again?? oh yeah "we the people"
Well, like MySQL, PHP is actually overseen by ZEND, a company created by 2
of the Senior Developers. They choose to help support it and provide extra
utilities to make their money.

I can agree with you that the community has bloated PHP, and even agree that
its a faster development tool. But aside from that, its pretty well neck in
neck... and thats good for both languages. Competition breeds innovation.

Sincerely,

Kevin


-Original Message-
From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 2:42 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP


exactly!

 I guess  Simon  is trying to say that if I buy a car and everytime it
breaks down they will send someone to fix it (even from germany) and he
thinks thats a BAD thing? I guess it would be better to take it down to
jimmy joes house and confer with the locals about what to do with it, maybe
google the problem a bit, maybe find a half-assed answer and then try it and
if it gets messed up to bad cause there is really noone to back it up.
Sounds good to me, guess i'm gunna ditch cfm and go with that cause gee it
sure sounds swell wally.

 But his comparison has a point. I know when I have problems with my MM
stuff that I can call my rep and he'll come over and find me a solution
thats actually backed by the company. And who is php backed by again?? oh
yeah "we the people", which sounds nice but "we the people" also are the
ones who send us viruses as well, do you know them? do you trust them? are
they required to tell you the correct thing to do if you have a problem? or
could they be telling something that will corrupt everything you have
already done?

 If you like php thats great but like i said in last post, if you put up cfm
in a fair fight with equal quality coders in php, asp, .net, jsp, perl,
whatever, cfm still gets it done faster and in the end cheaper. And if you
need additional power then you can run java in it and you have all you need,
if you need more power in php whatcha gunna do?

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figures @%*((&%


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RSS Version Justification?

2005-06-02 Thread Roger Benningfield

>...or if 
>just going to 2.0 will be ok?

There's no compelling reason to use RSS 0.x for much of anything these days. 
Going with 2.0 will be fine.

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Re: CF vs LAMP

2005-06-02 Thread Richard Crawford

On Thursday 02 June 2005 13:42, dave wrote:
>  I guess  Simon  is trying to say that if I buy a car and everytime it
> breaks down they will send someone to fix it (even from germany) and he
> thinks thats a BAD thing? I guess it would be better to take it down to
> jimmy joes house and confer with the locals about what to do with it, maybe
> google the problem a bit, maybe find a half-assed answer and then try it
> and if it gets messed up to bad cause there is really noone to back it up.
> Sounds good to me, guess i'm gunna ditch cfm and go with that cause gee it
> sure sounds swell wally.

Well, you gotta figure that there are people who *prefer* that approach.  If 
you want to keep the hood of your car welded shut, that's fine with me, and 
have fun with your 'Vette.  I'm personally not going to give you grief about 
it, because you're probably quite a capable driver.

There are those of us, though, who aren't too sure about the mechanics.  Seems 
like every time we call them out to fix the car, they end up breaking 
something else, then putting in a whole bunch of stuff that I don't want or 
need and that just hinders what I want to do.  Automatic transmission may be 
nice, but I know I can maximize my standard transmission to get better 
performance from the car, and I resent the fact that I can't even *get* 
manual transmission.  There's also the fact that I don't really want my car 
reporting back to the manufacturer, making sure I'm driving it properly.

And when I open the hood of my car, I can see exactly what's going on, where 
all the parts are, what they're doing to each other, and so on.  If I don't 
want that fancy flywheel that does nothing but sit there looking pretty, I 
can take it out.  If I'm having a problem with a specific component, I can 
open the hood and fix it myself; or I can Google the problem, or contact 
other experts who have better insight into the problem than I do, and I can 
do it for free.  (To be fair, though, you can do the same with your 
sealed-hood 'Vette, so comparing how the two different approaches set up and 
maintain support systems and knowledge bases is probably irrelevant.  I 
*could* pay lots more money for a dedicated help system for my 'Vette, but 
why bother when the help I can get for free is just as good?)

And, of course, there are the issues of security.  The 'Vette may have a 
sealed hood, a nice support system, may go fast and have great performance, 
but it does me no good if the lock is broken.  I could keep putting new 
keyholes in the same lock, but I'd prefer the option of opening the lock 
mechanism and fixing it directly.

So I think it's all a matter of philosophy, worldview, and personal 
preference.  You like your shiny 'Vette which you pay good money to maintain, 
and I prefer my old Dodge which is cheaper and older but seems to perform 
just as well and which I built myself and maintain myself.

Where it breaks down -- and where I personally take offense -- is the point 
where I'm no longer given the choice.  Just as I resent the fact that I 
cannot buy a car with manual transmission, I seriously resent the 
manufacturers who tell me that a sealed hood is my only option.  I don't 
resent those who tell me that a sealed hood is the *better* option (because I 
tell them that an open hood is the better option), but if I don't even have a 
choice to invest in a cheaper option that I can maintain myself, then I'm 
going to get mad.

I'll stop this rant short, though, before I get into issues of politics and 
economy.  ;-)

-- 
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Programmer III
UC Davis Extension Distance Education Group
2901 K Street
Sacramento, CA  95816
(916)327-7793
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RE: SMTP Error

2005-06-02 Thread Kelly Keith

It was McAfee, it was blocking port 25

Thanks for all your help...the sysadmin kept telling me it was cf.i
knew it wasn't...there was a suggestion on MM forums about virus
software...

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RE: CF vs LAMP

2005-06-02 Thread dave

exactly!

 I guess  Simon  is trying to say that if I buy a car and everytime it breaks 
down they will send someone to fix it (even from germany) and he thinks thats a 
BAD thing? I guess it would be better to take it down to jimmy joes house and 
confer with the locals about what to do with it, maybe google the problem a 
bit, maybe find a half-assed answer and then try it and if it gets messed up to 
bad cause there is really noone to back it up. Sounds good to me, guess i'm 
gunna ditch cfm and go with that cause gee it sure sounds swell 
wally.

 But his comparison has a point. I know when I have problems with my MM stuff 
that I can call my rep and he'll come over and find me a solution thats 
actually backed by the company. And who is php backed by again?? oh yeah "we 
the people", which sounds nice but "we the people" also are the ones who send 
us viruses as well, do you know them? do you trust them? are they required to 
tell you the correct thing to do if you have a problem? or could they be 
telling something that will corrupt everything you have already done?

 If you like php thats great but like i said in last post, if you put up cfm in 
a fair fight with equal quality coders in php, asp, .net, jsp, perl, whatever, 
cfm still gets it done faster and in the end cheaper. And if you need 
additional power then you can run java in it and you have all you need, if you 
need more power in php whatcha gunna do?

~Dave the disruptor~
This bottle of lemonaid says "contains no lemon juice" 
and the can of Pledge says "contains real lemon juice"
figures @%*((&% 


From: "Calvin Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 6:56 AM
To: CF-Talk 
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP 

I'm not so sure that the logic follows.

If you've purchased a new car, it comes with a warranty. 
Solid companies tend to honor their warranties. 
Solid companies would probably try to limit their liability with such a
warranty by delivering a product that mitigated need to honor the warranty
as much as possible by being well built. This will limit their loss
(reduction of profit) from taking care of said issues.

Not only that, they'll take care of it because they are legally obligated
to. The cost not to honor that obligation is probably a bit higher than the
cost to do so.

And aside from all that, for me personally and I suspect a great deal many
others, there's about next to nothing that I can do under the hood of a new
BMW anyway without making matters worse, should it need some attention.

I think this thread is definitely going OT though!

- Calvin

-Original Message-
From: Simon Cornelius P. Umacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 6:39 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP

> " I have a question to you, my dear friend: Would you buy a BMW with 
> its hood welded shut?"
> yeah, what the hell would I being doing under the hood when it's built 
> by a solid company that will take care of any issues that arise.

BMW is a solid company.
A solid company will take care of any issues that arise from my product.
Therefore, I will blindly believe in anything that BMW says.
Therefore, if my car breaks down, I will wait for BMW engineers to fly from
Germany in order to fix my car.
Therefore, I'm willing to pay huge amounts of money even if I can fix a very
simple problem.
Therefore, since I will blindly believe in anything that BMW says, I will
believe that it is not BMW's fault if the car breaks down because of faulty
manufacturing.
Therefore, even if there's conclusive evidence of BMW's negligence, I will
stubbornly hold on to the belief that it is really not BMW's fault. I will
deceive myself if I have to.

Ah... non-critical thinking. If that's how you think, then may God have
mercy on your poor soul.



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RE: CF vs LAMP

2005-06-02 Thread Kevin Aebig

As first a PHP developer to a now CF developer, I partly agree.

PHP's biggest strength is also it's biggest weakness. It grew so fast that
everyone who jumped on board learned how to do alot of things the *wrong*
way. There are too many php resources online and most teach how to do the
quick fix instead of how to properly build applications with PHP.

The other issue is with quick fix, plug and pray apps like PHPBB and
PHPNuke. They have every kid with a 'puter thinking that they know PHP and
it drowns the good developers out of the mix.

Without question, PHP is great in it's own rights, but out of the 100 or so
"PHP developers" I know, I'd only hire 4 of them.

Sincerely,

Kevin

-Original Message-
From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 2:28 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP


well Micha maybe in your "only enterprise" world you live in what you say
maybe true.
 But once you come outta la-la land it isn't.

 You say more ppl use CFM because it's easy? I completely disagree with
this, I'd say that more people use PHP because it's "free".
 "free" beats out easy any day! In your lil enterprise world I am sure there
are good php coders but I'd say a HUGE and I mean HUGE chuck of the PHP
crowd is pretty clueless to any kind or sort of programming and has 0
programming background. Probably 80% of the don't even have a clue to what
OOP even is or use it.

 One thing I can say about cfm users is that if you see a site in cfm it
usually isn't to bad, I seriously can't say that about php. Here in the
"real world" every dick & harry that thinks they are gunna make a web site
and has no web background at all, chooses php. Most have no concept of
anything other than to use zend tools and dreamweaver, they don't even know
what a doc title is or what compliance is or any kind of presentation
standard. Seems to me at least most cfm'rs have a bit more knowledge and
background.

 Here's an example, completely typical of my competition.
 www.gonzogear1.com

 To me that's your typical LAMP project, granted I don't do enterprise stuff
but this is a majority of what's out there and this is an average example of
what I personally go up against. SO you tell me that the person who did this
has a a background in anything besides bad taste or that they use OOP and
this isn't a BAD example, it's average.
 Just look at the source code, my god, hell only 79 html errors on home page
alone.

 " Most people starting with PHP have at least some theoretical
 and experience about programming."
 Hogwash!!! Most ppl starting with PHP have little or no
background in programming whatsoever, i'd even say most of them don't even
know it's a server-side language!

 To me it still comes down to this, if you take 2 equal programmers who will
deliver the same quality site then you are on equal grounds to start.
 Then it comes down to cost. Say I charge $100 hour (about average here)
that would mean if I could finish a project 12 hours faster than the guy
using lamp then it would be equal again and if say the project takes the
lamp guy 120 hours to finish and me (cause i am a slacker) 80 hours (because
fact is that less code takes less time which we all agree that cfm is about
2x as fast to program in than php), which is the better deal?

 The LAMP one just cost $12000
 the cfm one (including buying a server license) just cost $9200

 The client just save $2800, it ain't rocket science.

 If you can't sell your sell or what you do, then I would suggest you hire
someone to do it for you. There really isn't any reason why you can't sell a
cfm site as easily as anything else because there is a small price tag on it
isn't a good enough excuse.

~Dave the disruptor~
This bottle of lemonaid says "contains no lemon juice"
and the can of Pledge says "contains real lemon juice"
figures @%*((&%


From: "Micha Schopman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 7:37 AM
To: CF-Talk 
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP

Nofi, but this thread is going off topic because some people are too
blind seeing there is more on the market than CF :) If you don't like
PHP, that's all right, everybody has its own personal affection with a
language, but stating in someway that the developers using PHP are
amateurs is just not true.

In general, I found the average quality of products developed with PHP
much higher than those made with CF. The learning curve of CF due to its
tag based syntax is much lower, and so people with less programming
experience or less know-how about how to approach certain constructions
are starting quickly writing their code in CF. That is the power behind
CF, but it has its side effects regarding quality. The PHP learning
curve is much higher nor is it very attractive to the beginning
developer. Most people starting with PHP have at least some theoretical
and experience about programming.

Ofcourse there are many good CF developers, but there are also a lot

RE: Send email in Outlook

2005-06-02 Thread Matthew Small

Sorry, I thought you needed to import addresses into Outlook.  Perhaps you
could dynamically create a mail message (.msg) that can be opened by outlook
and forwarded to the recipients - it's just a text file.  You'll have to
research how to do this, though.
 
Matthew Small
Web Developer
American City Business Journals
704-973-1045
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

-Original Message-
From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 4:32 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Send email in Outlook

You can create and serve a .VCF file dynamically.  This will open in
Outlook's addressbook.
 
Matthew Small
Web Developer
American City Business Journals
704-973-1045
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

-Original Message-
From: Damien McKenna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 4:03 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Send email in Outlook

They could paste in the content, but they'd need either an addressbook
item set up with all of the destinations or have something on the email
server to handle distribution.  That'd get ugly.

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> -Original Message-
> From: Les Mizzell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 3:51 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Send email in Outlook
> 
> I just got an interesting request...
> 
> Instead of the Email/E-Newsletter management system that I 
> was planning to build for a client, they've now asked:
> (When opening a dynamic CF page with client verification info
> on it..)
> "Can we just click a button to get all the information into 
> Outlook so we can do whatever we want to it from there?"






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RE: Send email in Outlook

2005-06-02 Thread Matthew Small

You can create and serve a .VCF file dynamically.  This will open in
Outlook's addressbook.
 
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-Original Message-
From: Damien McKenna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 4:03 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Send email in Outlook

They could paste in the content, but they'd need either an addressbook
item set up with all of the destinations or have something on the email
server to handle distribution.  That'd get ugly.

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> -Original Message-
> From: Les Mizzell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 3:51 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Send email in Outlook
> 
> I just got an interesting request...
> 
> Instead of the Email/E-Newsletter management system that I 
> was planning to build for a client, they've now asked:
> (When opening a dynamic CF page with client verification info
> on it..)
> "Can we just click a button to get all the information into 
> Outlook so we can do whatever we want to it from there?"




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RE: CF vs LAMP

2005-06-02 Thread dave

well Micha maybe in your "only enterprise" world you live in what you say maybe 
true.
 But once you come outta la-la land it isn't.

 You say more ppl use CFM because it's easy? I completely disagree with this, 
I'd say that more people use PHP because it's "free".
 "free" beats out easy any day! In your lil enterprise world I am sure there 
are good php coders but I'd say a HUGE and I mean HUGE chuck of the PHP crowd 
is pretty clueless to any kind or sort of programming and has 0 programming 
background. Probably 80% of the don't even have a clue to what OOP even is or 
use it.

 One thing I can say about cfm users is that if you see a site in cfm it 
usually isn't to bad, I seriously can't say that about php. Here in the "real 
world" every dick & harry that thinks they are gunna make a web site and has no 
web background at all, chooses php. Most have no concept of anything other than 
to use zend tools and dreamweaver, they don't even know what a doc title is or 
what compliance is or any kind of presentation standard. Seems to me at least 
most cfm'rs have a bit more knowledge and background.

 Here's an example, completely typical of my competition.
 www.gonzogear1.com

 To me that's your typical LAMP project, granted I don't do enterprise stuff 
but this is a majority of what's out there and this is an average example of 
what I personally go up against. SO you tell me that the person who did this 
has a a background in anything besides bad taste or that they use OOP and this 
isn't a BAD example, it's average.
 Just look at the source code, my god, hell only 79 html errors on home page 
alone.

 " Most people starting with PHP have at least some theoretical
 and experience about programming."
 Hogwash!!! Most ppl starting with PHP have little or no 
background in programming whatsoever, i'd even say most of them don't even know 
it's a server-side language!

 To me it still comes down to this, if you take 2 equal programmers who will 
deliver the same quality site then you are on equal grounds to start.
 Then it comes down to cost. Say I charge $100 hour (about average here) that 
would mean if I could finish a project 12 hours faster than the guy using lamp 
then it would be equal again and if say the project takes the lamp guy 120 
hours to finish and me (cause i am a slacker) 80 hours (because fact is that 
less code takes less time which we all agree that cfm is about 2x as fast to 
program in than php), which is the better deal?

 The LAMP one just cost $12000
 the cfm one (including buying a server license) just cost $9200

 The client just save $2800, it ain't rocket science.

 If you can't sell your sell or what you do, then I would suggest you hire 
someone to do it for you. There really isn't any reason why you can't sell a 
cfm site as easily as anything else because there is a small price tag on it 
isn't a good enough excuse.

~Dave the disruptor~
This bottle of lemonaid says "contains no lemon juice" 
and the can of Pledge says "contains real lemon juice"
figures @%*((&% 


From: "Micha Schopman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 7:37 AM
To: CF-Talk 
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP 

Nofi, but this thread is going off topic because some people are too
blind seeing there is more on the market than CF :) If you don't like
PHP, that's all right, everybody has its own personal affection with a
language, but stating in someway that the developers using PHP are
amateurs is just not true.

In general, I found the average quality of products developed with PHP
much higher than those made with CF. The learning curve of CF due to its
tag based syntax is much lower, and so people with less programming
experience or less know-how about how to approach certain constructions
are starting quickly writing their code in CF. That is the power behind
CF, but it has its side effects regarding quality. The PHP learning
curve is much higher nor is it very attractive to the beginning
developer. Most people starting with PHP have at least some theoretical
and experience about programming.

Ofcourse there are many good CF developers, but there are also a lot of
unexperienced developers, just because they can get started quickly with
programming. How many developers really use cfqueryparam for instance? I
think there are a lot just output the values without review.

This is true code running in production I had to review once (because
there was an error somewhere)
http://www.mschopman.demon.nl/horror.txt

Micha Schopman
Project Manager

Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort
Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388
KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380



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RE: Send email in Outlook

2005-06-02 Thread Damien McKenna

They could paste in the content, but they'd need either an addressbook
item set up with all of the destinations or have something on the email
server to handle distribution.  That'd get ugly.

-- 
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The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014
#include 
 

> -Original Message-
> From: Les Mizzell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 3:51 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Send email in Outlook
> 
> I just got an interesting request...
> 
> Instead of the Email/E-Newsletter management system that I 
> was planning to build for a client, they've now asked:
> (When opening a dynamic CF page with client verification info
> on it..)
> "Can we just click a button to get all the information into 
> Outlook so we can do whatever we want to it from there?"


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RE: CF / CSS / IE

2005-06-02 Thread Adkins, Randy

Here is the snippet of the code.. Here is an image of what it would
Look like with IE:  http://www.demo-apps.com/css_error.png



Open Tickets
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HEIGHT="2">


Click on a ticket number to view or change
that ticket's contents.
Display Records 1 to 2 of 2
records.   





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Company Name
Category
Title
Last Updated


C101
Papa Smurf
Smurf Village
Some Smurf web page
page error
Grandpa Smurf


C102
Papa Smurf
Smurf Village
Some Smurf web page for
Smurfville
page error
Grandpa Smurf






 

-Original Message-
From: Damien McKenna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 3:51 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF / CSS / IE

Care to post an actual code snippet?

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RE: CF vs LAMP

2005-06-02 Thread dave

course hes only commenting to what I say, you guys should know that by now

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and the can of Pledge says "contains real lemon juice"
figures @%*((&% 


From: "Micha Schopman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 8:42 AM
To: CF-Talk 
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP 

Calvin,

I was aiming at the following comments made in the thread;

"They proved to be the typical LAMP dev'r and were highly missinformed
on a lot of issues and I used the fact that they don't know against them
very strongly. Then I had them go up to white board and write on
whiteboard a typical php page, making a db call and returning a
recordset. And then I did the same but in cfm, needless to say i was
done in less than half the time with smaller readable code." 

And

" Seems more trustable then querying a bunch of half-ass cheap ameturs 
> who THINK they know everything but they don't, I surely wouldn't want 
> to base my lively hood on them!"

If it was meant in a (positive) different way, please tell.

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re: CF / CSS / IE

2005-06-02 Thread dave

set the div's width and height to auto and use the overflow to control the 
scrolling"frames" effect.
 and i'd get rid of the CAPS

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From: "Adkins, Randy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 3:34 PM
To: CF-Talk 
Subject: CF / CSS / IE 

I have a page that has a DIV tag for CSS usage and a TABLE tag right
after it 
to display text on a page.

The DIV tag has the following style properties:
padding-left: 40px;
padding-top: 35px;
padding-right: 40px;
padding-bottom: 25px;

Basically just to pad it from all sides

Then the TABLE tag has the following properties:

My goal was to pad the table from all side but make the table dynamic
using the WIDTH of
100% attribute.

What is occurring is if the table has rows of data to display, that it
would
stretch the table past the screen resolutions and give no scroll bar at
the bottom.

This is happening in IE with a screen resolution of 1024x800 and even
1152 x 864.

It looks great FireFox...

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RSS Version Justification?

2005-06-02 Thread jonese

Hey all,
 We are looking at creating some RSS feeds for a clients content and would 
like to know if there is any reason to maintain multiple versions of the 
feed (.91, 
0.92and
2.0 ) or if 
just going to 2.0 will be ok?
 TIA
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RE: fix for moving legacy code to application.cfc w/ local variables

2005-06-02 Thread S . Isaac Dealey

I guess that's what I get for not RTFM'ing... thanks Calvin.

Unfortunately... this still doesn't seem to work:














With this structure it appears to error out during the
Application.cfm, although I can't decypher the stack trace enough to
determine if that's happening during the onApplicationStart or the
onRequest... and I can't take it out of either place as a result of
previous architectural decisions.


> I think you can use the OnRequest method (be sure to read
> up on it) and
> anything declared there will be fine as local variables
> just like
> Application.cfm.

> - Calvin

> -Original Message-
> From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 1:44 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: fix for moving legacy code to application.cfc w/
> local variables

> I'm betting the answer to this is no, but has anyone found
> a way of
> migrating an existing application.cfm to the
> onRequestStart portion of an
> Application.cfc while maintaining the viability of local
> variables that had
> been set in the Application.cfm? I know it's a bad
> practice
> -- wasn't my idea. :) I was just kinda hoping (likely
> futile) that there
> might be a workaround to allow us to use application.cfc
> in spite of the bad
> practice.



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Send email in Outlook

2005-06-02 Thread Les Mizzell

I just got an interesting request...

Instead of the Email/E-Newsletter management system that I was planning 
to build for a client, they've now asked:

(When opening a dynamic CF page with client verification info on it..)

"Can we just click a button to get all the information into Outlook so 
we can do whatever we want to it from there?"

Short of some serious programming involving gawd knows what 
DOM/tweaks/VB something - I don't think there is really a way to do 
that, right?

Hell, just open the CF page, copy and paste?


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RE: CF / CSS / IE

2005-06-02 Thread Damien McKenna

Care to post an actual code snippet?

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Re: ColdFusion Forum software

2005-06-02 Thread Rick Root

Tony,

I had implemented BBML and emoticons in CFMBB (www.cfmbb.org), and had 
intended to implement private messaging too.   However, I've since 
halted development on cfmbb because I worked too hard to seperate 
language and locale from the code itself, and therefore the code is the 
ugliest code I've ever written.  Plus I simply don't have time to do the 
work on it, and I was more interested in writing a blog software 
(blogcfm) which was much easier =)

  - Rick

Tony Weeg wrote:
> Hola peeps...
> 
> Well, it hurts to say this, but my clients forums have outgrown Ray's
> Galleon forum, and his users are crying out for a newer/more feature
> rich forum application.
> 
> any ideas on a good cfmx based one with these features:
> 
> 1. private messages
> 2. emoticons
> 
> and anything else that cool/new forums have...yes, i could make
> most of the changes requested, but why recreate the wheel?
> 
> 
> thanks.
> 

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CF / CSS / IE

2005-06-02 Thread Adkins, Randy

I have a page that has a DIV tag for CSS usage and a TABLE tag right
after it 
to display text on a page.
 
The DIV tag has the following style properties:
padding-left:  40px;
padding-top:  35px;
padding-right:  40px;
padding-bottom:  25px;
 
Basically just to pad it from all sides
 
Then the TABLE tag has the following properties:

 
My goal was to pad the table from all side but make the table dynamic
using the WIDTH of
100% attribute.
 
What is occurring is if the table has rows of data to display, that it
would
stretch the table past the screen resolutions and give no scroll bar at
the bottom.
 
This is happening in IE with a screen resolution of 1024x800 and even
1152 x 864.
 
It looks great FireFox...
 
Thanks!


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Re: get parent items from list?

2005-06-02 Thread Claude Schneegans

 >>Claude, you're incorrect on the database structure of a tree. You can put

>>it all in one table and recursively get the entire tree.

This is exactly what I said, how am I incorrect?
I said "You need at least a table with one column for item and one for its 
parent."
This is ONE table with TWO columns, the minimum it takes, with this you can 
describe a tree
with unlimited branches to an unlimited number of levels.
 
>>I'm definitely not going to have a table for each child.

I hope so! ;-)

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RE: fix for moving legacy code to application.cfc w/ local variab les

2005-06-02 Thread Dave Watts

> I think you can use the OnRequest method (be sure to read up 
> on it) and anything declared there will be fine as local 
> variables just like Application.cfm.

No, don't use OnRequest - that will replace the page that was actually
requested. You could use OnRequestStart, or just put them in the
"pseudo-constructor" area I think.

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RE: get parent items from list?

2005-06-02 Thread Emmet McGovern

I haven't tried the way you did it yet Kerry.  I did get it to work however.

Claude, you're incorrect on the database structure of a tree.  You can put
it all in one table and recursively get the entire tree.  How else could you
support unlimited parent child relationships?  I have trees that go 20 deep.
I'm definitely not going to have a table for each child.

Thanks for the help.

Emmet

-Original Message-
From: Kerry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 10:57 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: get parent items from list?

>What's the most efficient way of determining the parent of any item in the
> list and determining that item1 has no parent

perhaps im missing something here, but:

mylist = "item1,item2,item3,item4";

for(i=1; i lte ListLen(mylist);i=i+1){

WriteOutput("I am: "&ListGetAt(mylist,i));

if(i eq 1){
WriteOutput(" and I am the root");
}else{
WriteOutput(" and my parent is:
"&findparent(mylist,ListGetAt(mylist,i)));
}

WriteOutput("");
}

function findparent(nlist,me){
var myparent = "root";
var myindex = ListFind(nlist,me);

if(myindex gt 1){
myparent = ListGetAt(nlist,myindex-1);
}

return myparent;
}

-Original Message-
From: Jerry Barnes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 02 June 2005 15:36
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: get parent items from list?


Sounds like an adjaceny list model.

Does the list contain the whole tree or does a list only contain a path from
one node to another while other lists contain other paths?



On 6/2/05, Emmet McGovern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Brain Meltdown. Maybe someone can help.
>
> I have a list such as (item1,item2,item3,item4,item5). The list can be any
> length. Item1 would be the parent of item2 and item2 would be the parent
> of
> item3 and so on.
>
> What's the most efficient way of determining the parent of any item in the
> list and determining that item1 has no parent?
>
> Thanks,
> Emmet
>
>
>
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RE: fix for moving legacy code to application.cfc w/ local variab les

2005-06-02 Thread Dave Watts

> I'm betting the answer to this is no, but has anyone found a way of
> migrating an existing application.cfm to the onRequestStart portion of
> an Application.cfc while maintaining the viability of local variables
> that had been set in the Application.cfm? I know it's a bad practice
> -- wasn't my idea. :) I was just kinda hoping (likely futile) that
> there might be a workaround to allow us to use application.cfc in
> spite of the bad practice.

First, what's wrong with setting local variables in Application.cfm?

Second, you can just set them in Application.cfc the same way. Just don't
put them in a function, and they'll work just like in Application.cfm.

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RE: Turkish ColdFusion Forum

2005-06-02 Thread Tarantor

:)

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>> wish i could read turkish :)

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CFSCRIPT / RequestTimeOut?

2005-06-02 Thread Adkins, Randy

Does anyone know of an issue when using CFScript and if a function
exceeds the
RequestTimeOut variable set in the Administrator or as part of the URL,
the server
never seems to release it.
 
I do not want to revert back to regular CF tags cause cfscript is a
performance 
enhancement for us.
 
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RE: inserting checkboxes into a db

2005-06-02 Thread daniel kessler

this worked well.  thank you very much

>No. Fields with the same name name return a comma-delimited list when more
>than 1 is checked. Also, a checkbox is not True or False, it is Undefined or
>Value (of value="#checkbox_value#).
>
>In your case, the hidden field should be present on forms with checkboxes
>and provide, as you surmised, a defualt value of 0.
>Use IsDefined('FORM.checkbox_name') in the UPDATE to determine whether to
>updaytre the field.
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: daniel kessler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 1:44 PM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: RE: inserting checkboxes into a db
>
>
>>
>>  
>>  
>
>So the hidden sets the default value, right?  Here's what I did.
>
>on the page:
>
>value="#checkbox_value#">
>
>and on the UPDATE page, I left it as is:
>
> 
>mandate = cfsqltype="CF_SQL_NUMERIC">,
>
>
>So, whenever the checkbox exists, it'll either input this the checkbox value
>or it's hidden field, because the checkbox won't overwrite it.  right?
>
>oh, I just checked that and it sorta works.  If it's not checked, it works
>fine.  If it's checked, then it puts out 38352 in the value, rather than the
>1 it's supposed to be.  I suppose it's having problems with two fields being
>named the same.
>
>While I don't know if this is how you meant for me to implement it, it
>seemed intriguing.

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RE: fix for moving legacy code to application.cfc w/ local variables

2005-06-02 Thread Calvin Ward

I think you can use the OnRequest method (be sure to read up on it) and
anything declared there will be fine as local variables just like
Application.cfm.

- Calvin 

-Original Message-
From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 1:44 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: fix for moving legacy code to application.cfc w/ local variables 

I'm betting the answer to this is no, but has anyone found a way of
migrating an existing application.cfm to the onRequestStart portion of an
Application.cfc while maintaining the viability of local variables that had
been set in the Application.cfm? I know it's a bad practice
-- wasn't my idea. :) I was just kinda hoping (likely futile) that there
might be a workaround to allow us to use application.cfc in spite of the bad
practice.



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RE: CF vs LAMP

2005-06-02 Thread Kevin Aebig

I definately hear what you're getting at...

I personally prefer to use shell script in scenario's like that. On the
other hand, I do think the best place for perl these days lives in Linux
administration software. Its robust enough to hand alot of delicate parsing
and can easily take a big workload.

For web use though... its a total abomination.

Cheers,

Kevin

-Original Message-
From: Richard Crawford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 10:46 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF vs LAMP

On Thursday 02 June 2005 09:35, Kevin Aebig wrote:
> Coldfusion... PHP... dotNET... truely guys, its all the same thing with
> different implementations.
>
> Now Perl on the other hand Why won't that language just die already...

For CGI scripting, Perl has its uses (though I personally haven't used it
for
that purpose in years).  For server-side scripting, though -- like when you
need to go through all 4,000 files in all 600 subdirectories from your
webroot with a specific naming convention and replace the form action tag
with with a new string, the contents of which depend on the name of the
directory just above the current subdirectory if that directory name
contains
a capital letter or a number -- why there ain't nothin' better than Perl.
Pound out a four line script, chmod to executable, execute it with perl -w
script_name.pl, and you're in business.  Assuming you know what the heck
you're doing with those regular expressions.

And yes, that is something I really have faced.  Several times.

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RE: ColdFusion Forum software

2005-06-02 Thread Tarantor

Hi,

 

Plase check out our forum app which is based on Galleon via
http://forum.cftr.net  

 

We have both emotions and avatar support and some more other features.

 

You can see a bit infor via
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If you would have interest, I can send code that I have already modified.

 

 

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Sent: Donnerstag, 2. Juni 2005 15:17
To: CF-Talk
Subject: ColdFusion Forum software

 

Hola peeps...

 

Well, it hurts to say this, but my clients forums have outgrown Ray's

Galleon forum, and his users are crying out for a newer/more feature

rich forum application.

 

any ideas on a good cfmx based one with these features:

 

1. private messages

2. emoticons

 

and anything else that cool/new forums have...yes, i could make

most of the changes requested, but why recreate the wheel?

 

 

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fix for moving legacy code to application.cfc w/ local variables

2005-06-02 Thread S . Isaac Dealey

I'm betting the answer to this is no, but has anyone found a way of
migrating an existing application.cfm to the onRequestStart portion of
an Application.cfc while maintaining the viability of local variables
that had been set in the Application.cfm? I know it's a bad practice
-- wasn't my idea. :) I was just kinda hoping (likely futile) that
there might be a workaround to allow us to use application.cfc in
spite of the bad practice.



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Re: help finding thread .net vs cf

2005-06-02 Thread Joe Rinehart

I wrote a heavily-commented blog entry on it a while back, from the
perspective of someone who was using both:

http://clearsoftware.net/client/index.cfm?mode=entry&entry=3AD583EF-E081-2BAC-69DEECDEFD01C4BE

Be sure to read the comments: barry b.'s are worth as much if not more
than my post itself!

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> Not too long ago there was a discussion on this page
> that  compares dot net to cf.
> 
> I'm trying to help a friend out and I thought there
> was a good objective discussion regarding this page.
> 
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/dnaspp/html/coldfusiontoaspnet.asp?frame=true
> 
> Does anybody have a link to the thread that I can
> point him to for a more objective view.
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
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RE: CF vs LAMP

2005-06-02 Thread Matt Osbun

Kinda reminds me of Vogon Poetry.

Without the benefit of having a huge, ugly space monster distracting you
from what's really going on...

Matt Osbun
Web Developer
Health Systems, International



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Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 11:35 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF vs LAMP


On Thursday 02 June 2005 09:27, Calvin Ward wrote:
> > This is true code running in production I had to review once
> > (because there was an error somewhere)
> > http://www.mschopman.demon.nl/horror.txt

Oh, God.  The horror!  The horror!  My eyes are melting!  Aii!!

(And this only supports my contention that the programming language
doesn't 
matter, for the Zen or horrific coding transcends them all.)

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Re: SMTP Error

2005-06-02 Thread Russell Patterson

Since the servers are behind the firewall, are you using NAT?  If you are 
using private IP addresses, then instead of pointing to the Public IP 
address of the Exchange server, point to the private internal IP address.

Russell

- Original Message - 
From: "Kelly Keith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" 
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 4:56 PM
Subject: SMTP Error

>I have just installed CFMX 6.1 (with 6.1 Updater) on a Windows 2003 Server 
>with Service Pack 1. When I log into the CF Admin and try to enter the IP 
>Address for the Mail Server, I am getting Connection Failed. I am able to 
>ping the mail server from the cf box.
>
> The mail log has the following error message..
>
> Could not connect to SMTP host: 207.225.199.13, port: 25; nested exception 
> is: java.net.SocketException: Software caused connection abort: connect
>
> Any ideas would be greatly appreciated
>
> thanks.
>
> kelly keith
>
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RE: SMTP Error

2005-06-02 Thread Dave Watts

> The exact message is as follows...
> 
> Could not open a connection to host on port 25.
> 
> The two cf servers are behind the firewall and so is the exchange
> server. The two cf servers are in a different domain, but one server
> works and the other doesn't. Make sense?
> 
> Any other thoughts???

Well then, there's certainly something blocking SMTP traffic entirely. I
don't know what to tell you beyond that, as you have said you can
successfully ping the mail server from the web server, so not all traffic is
being blocked. Can you connect to other mail servers via SMTP from your web
server?

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help finding thread .net vs cf

2005-06-02 Thread Joshua OConnor-Rose

Not too long ago there was a discussion on this page
that  compares dot net to cf.

I'm trying to help a friend out and I thought there
was a good objective discussion regarding this page.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/dnaspp/html/coldfusiontoaspnet.asp?frame=true

Does anybody have a link to the thread that I can
point him to for a more objective view.

Thanks in advance

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Re: CF vs LAMP

2005-06-02 Thread Richard Crawford

On Thursday 02 June 2005 09:35, Kevin Aebig wrote:
> Coldfusion... PHP... dotNET... truely guys, its all the same thing with
> different implementations.
>
> Now Perl on the other hand Why won't that language just die already...

For CGI scripting, Perl has its uses (though I personally haven't used it for 
that purpose in years).  For server-side scripting, though -- like when you 
need to go through all 4,000 files in all 600 subdirectories from your 
webroot with a specific naming convention and replace the form action tag 
with with a new string, the contents of which depend on the name of the 
directory just above the current subdirectory if that directory name contains 
a capital letter or a number -- why there ain't nothin' better than Perl.  
Pound out a four line script, chmod to executable, execute it with perl -w 
script_name.pl, and you're in business.  Assuming you know what the heck 
you're doing with those regular expressions.

And yes, that is something I really have faced.  Several times.

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ColdFusion Forum software

2005-06-02 Thread Stan Winchester

Tony,

Have you looked at Aftershock Forums? 
http://www.aftershockweb.net/forums/threads.cfm/ForumId/9

It does offer private conferences and Avatars. I would be happy to add 
emoticons.

Thank you,
Aftershock Web Design, Inc.
by: Stan Winchester
President/Developer
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  
http://www.aftershockweb.com/   
Phone 503-244-3440
Fax 503-244-3454

>Hola peeps...
>
>Well, it hurts to say this, but my clients forums have outgrown Ray's
>Galleon forum, and his users are crying out for a newer/more feature
>rich forum application.
>
>any ideas on a good cfmx based one with these features:
>
>1. private messages
>2. emoticons
>
>and anything else that cool/new forums have...yes, i could make
>most of the changes requested, but why recreate the wheel?
>
>
>thanks.
>
>-- 
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>
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Re: SMTP Error

2005-06-02 Thread Russell Patterson

Can you ping the Exchange server from the CF server that is not working? 
Can you ping the CF server that is not working from the Exchange server?

Russell

- Original Message - 
From: "Kelly Keith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" 
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 11:43 AM
Subject: RE: SMTP Error


> That is what I am doing on both cf servers. It's just one works and one
> doesn't.
>
> Kelly
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Russell Patterson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 10:26 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: SMTP Error
>
>
> If the CF servers and the Exchange server are behind the same firewall,
> I
> would verify that the IP configuration is correct.  If all is correct,
> in
> the CF Admin, I would point the CF server to the Exchange server by the
> IP
> address and not the computer name.
>
> HTH,
> Russell
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Kelly Keith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" 
> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 11:04 AM
> Subject: RE: SMTP Error
>
>
>> The exact message is as follows...
>>
>> Could not open a connection to host on port 25.
>>
>> The two cf servers are behind the firewall and so is the exchange
>> server. The two cf servers are in a different domain, but one server
>> works and the other doesn't. Make sense?
>>
>> Any other thoughts???
>>
>> Kelly
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> 

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RE: CF vs LAMP

2005-06-02 Thread Kevin Aebig

Coldfusion... PHP... dotNET... truely guys, its all the same thing with
different implementations.

Now Perl on the other hand Why won't that language just die already...

!k

-Original Message-
From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 10:27 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP

That was very nicely done. Although I could read neither the comments, the
variable values or even the variable names, so it was all greek(dutch?) to
me! :P

-Original Message-
From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 11:26 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF vs LAMP

..and it was impeccably indented :)

On 6/2/05, Ian Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well, it had comments! ;-)
>
>
> --
> Ian Skinner
> Web Programmer
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> www.BloodSource.org
> Sacramento, CA
>
> "C code. C code run. Run code run. Please!"
> - Cynthia Dunning
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 4:36 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
> 
> This is true code running in production I had to review once
> (because there was an error somewhere)
> http://www.mschopman.demon.nl/horror.txt

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RE: SMTP Error

2005-06-02 Thread Kelly Keith

That is what I am doing on both cf servers. It's just one works and one
doesn't.

Kelly

-Original Message-
From: Russell Patterson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 10:26 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: SMTP Error

If the CF servers and the Exchange server are behind the same firewall,
I 
would verify that the IP configuration is correct.  If all is correct,
in 
the CF Admin, I would point the CF server to the Exchange server by the
IP 
address and not the computer name.

HTH,
Russell

- Original Message - 
From: "Kelly Keith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" 
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 11:04 AM
Subject: RE: SMTP Error

> The exact message is as follows...
>
> Could not open a connection to host on port 25.
>
> The two cf servers are behind the firewall and so is the exchange 
> server. The two cf servers are in a different domain, but one server 
> works and the other doesn't. Make sense?
>
> Any other thoughts???
>
> Kelly
>

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Re: CF vs LAMP

2005-06-02 Thread Richard Crawford

On Thursday 02 June 2005 09:27, Calvin Ward wrote:
> > This is true code running in production I had to review once
> > (because there was an error somewhere)
> > http://www.mschopman.demon.nl/horror.txt

Oh, God.  The horror!  The horror!  My eyes are melting!  Aii!!

(And this only supports my contention that the programming language doesn't 
matter, for the Zen or horrific coding transcends them all.)

-- 
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RE: CF vs LAMP

2005-06-02 Thread Calvin Ward

That was very nicely done. Although I could read neither the comments, the
variable values or even the variable names, so it was all greek(dutch?) to
me! :P 

-Original Message-
From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 11:26 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF vs LAMP

.and it was impeccably indented :)

On 6/2/05, Ian Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well, it had comments! ;-)
> 
> 
> --
> Ian Skinner
> Web Programmer
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> www.BloodSource.org
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> 
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> - Cynthia Dunning
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 4:36 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
> 
> This is true code running in production I had to review once 
> (because there was an error somewhere) 
> http://www.mschopman.demon.nl/horror.txt

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Re: SMTP Error

2005-06-02 Thread Russell Patterson

If the CF servers and the Exchange server are behind the same firewall, I 
would verify that the IP configuration is correct.  If all is correct, in 
the CF Admin, I would point the CF server to the Exchange server by the IP 
address and not the computer name.

HTH,
Russell

- Original Message - 
From: "Kelly Keith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" 
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 11:04 AM
Subject: RE: SMTP Error


> The exact message is as follows...
>
> Could not open a connection to host on port 25.
>
> The two cf servers are behind the firewall and so is the exchange
> server. The two cf servers are in a different domain, but one server
> works and the other doesn't. Make sense?
>
> Any other thoughts???
>
> Kelly
>



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Going on now! Steve Rittler on FarCry and Michael Dinowitz on Consuming Popular Web Service

2005-06-02 Thread Steven Erat

This CFUNITED preview will host two 15 minute talks by Michael Dinowitz 
on Consuming Popular Web Services and Steve Rittler on FarCry, A Free 
ColdFusion-based CMS (Content Management System).

These talks are brief previews of the seminars to be given at CFUNITED 
between June 29 and July 1. See http://www.cfunited.com/ for more.

These talks are given online, so just open the Breeze Meeting URL at the 
time of the event and login as a guest using your name or a nickname. 
The meetings will contain live audio, and a combination of slides and/or 
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Time:
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ColdFusion Forum software

2005-06-02 Thread chad gray

CF Forum is my favorite.

http://www.cfcode.com/

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RE: SMTP Error

2005-06-02 Thread Kelly Keith

The exact message is as follows...

Could not open a connection to host on port 25.

The two cf servers are behind the firewall and so is the exchange
server. The two cf servers are in a different domain, but one server
works and the other doesn't. Make sense?

Any other thoughts???

Kelly

-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 9:59 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: SMTP Error


> The sysadmin and I went and looked there... The server has access
> as well as the domain it sits in...
> 
> Any other thoughts???

What was the exact error message you got when you attempted to send via
telnet from the web server? Or were you simply unable to connect at all?
If the latter is the case, then you may have some port blocking or
firewall in between the web server and the mail server.

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RE: CF vs LAMP

2005-06-02 Thread Adrian Lynch

24 times at the greatest depth!! :Oo

-Original Message-
From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 02 June 2005 16:26
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF vs LAMP


.and it was impeccably indented :)

On 6/2/05, Ian Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well, it had comments! ;-)
>
>
> --
> Ian Skinner
> Web Programmer
> BloodSource
> www.BloodSource.org
> Sacramento, CA
>
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> - Cynthia Dunning
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 4:36 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
> 
> This is true code running in production I had to review once (because
> there was an error somewhere)
> http://www.mschopman.demon.nl/horror.txt

--
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RE: SMTP Error

2005-06-02 Thread Dave Watts

> The sysadmin and I went and looked there... The server has access 
> as well as the domain it sits in...
> 
> Any other thoughts???

What was the exact error message you got when you attempted to send via
telnet from the web server? Or were you simply unable to connect at all? If
the latter is the case, then you may have some port blocking or firewall in
between the web server and the mail server.

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RE: Install Problems - CF 7 & XP Pro / IIS

2005-06-02 Thread Brad Roberts

I've got two desktops that I can't install it on.  I keep getting "port
51011" is blocked.  I've made exceptions in Win Firewall for every port CF
uses (as listed on Macromedia's website).  I've even disabled the firewall.

This stinks, because it installed fine on our production server, but I can't
get it to work on our dev boxes.

Brad Roberts

-Original Message-
From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 11:26 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Install Problems - CF 7 & XP Pro / IIS

brad, i must say something else is up... ive been running cfmx7 on my
xp pro iis laptop for about, well... 8 months or so... no install
problems.

tw

On 6/2/05, Brad Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I never could get the Web Server Configuration Tool to work (after
> unblocking ports, etc.), so (per Macromedia) I followed the instructions
to
> configure it manually (http://www.macromedia.com/go/tn_19575).
> 
> Now, IIS is very slow when browsing directories, and CF pages are never
> displayed.  As soon as I remove the JRun Connector Filter from the ISAPI
> filters, IIS runs normally.
> 
> Is there a simple way to install CF 7 on Win XP Pro with IIS?  I've been
> frustrated over this for a month!
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Brad Roberts
> 
> 



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RE: CF vs LAMP

2005-06-02 Thread Dave Watts

> It wasn't a reason, but a possible rationalisation.

If this is the case, I really don't understand why you bothered. The
inference I drew from your previous posts was that you thought MySQL's
approach to NULL values was just as good as anyone else's, because there are
all sorts of inherent problems with NULL values anyway. I can offer all
sorts of rationalizations about why IE doesn't support CSS as well as I
think it should, but I'm not going to say that it doesn't make any
difference anyway in the same breath.

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RE: Verity K2

2005-06-02 Thread Dave Watts

> Do i use the standard CFIndex, CFSearch to tap into the K2 
> collection once i have it hooked up?

Yes, it's pretty straightforward, whether the K2 collections are local or
remote. One minor difference is that within K2, database and filesystem
indexes are stored in separate collections, so if you had both within a
single VDK collection, you would now need two K2 collections.

If you plan to run K2 on a separate machine, you might find this useful:
http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/knowledgebase/index.cfm?id=42cfdd4a

> Macromedia is checking for me to see if MX 7 Verify can do 
> PDFs.  They are going to call me back.  I know MX 7 can do 
> chinese characters.

I'm sorry, but I don't remember this offhand. However, you can always
download the evaluation version and find out for yourself.

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Re: Install Problems - CF 7 & XP Pro / IIS

2005-06-02 Thread Tony Weeg

brad, i must say something else is up... ive been running cfmx7 on my
xp pro iis laptop for about, well... 8 months or so... no install
problems.

tw

On 6/2/05, Brad Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I never could get the Web Server Configuration Tool to work (after
> unblocking ports, etc.), so (per Macromedia) I followed the instructions to
> configure it manually (http://www.macromedia.com/go/tn_19575).
> 
> Now, IIS is very slow when browsing directories, and CF pages are never
> displayed.  As soon as I remove the JRun Connector Filter from the ISAPI
> filters, IIS runs normally.
> 
> Is there a simple way to install CF 7 on Win XP Pro with IIS?  I've been
> frustrated over this for a month!
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Brad Roberts
> 
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Re: CF vs LAMP

2005-06-02 Thread Charlie Griefer

and it was impeccably indented :)

On 6/2/05, Ian Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well, it had comments! ;-)
> 
> 
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> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 4:36 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
> 
> This is true code running in production I had to review once (because
> there was an error somewhere)
> http://www.mschopman.demon.nl/horror.txt

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Re: CF vs LAMP

2005-06-02 Thread Bryan Stevenson

For most sites, if the PHP site takes twice or three times as long as the 
same site being done in CF, then whatever you have in the free software, 
you've more than spent on programmers wages. So which site is cheaper again?
>
> larry

Amen Larry!!I don't know why this concept is so hard for some people to 
"get".

.and before the PHP commandos jump down my throatno this is not 
specific to PHP...just an example Larry usedcould be said for many 
"free" solutions

I could do all kinds of projects using "free" tools, and they may very well 
work as well as the apps I build using not so free toolsbut would I want 
to have to maintain them??  No bloody way ;-)

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RE: CF vs LAMP

2005-06-02 Thread Ian Skinner

Well, it had comments! ;-)


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-Original Message-
From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 4:36 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP

Nofi, but this thread is going off topic because some people are too
blind seeing there is more on the market than CF :) If you don't like
PHP, that's all right, everybody has its own personal affection with a
language, but stating in someway that the developers using PHP are
amateurs is just not true.

In general, I found the average quality of products developed with PHP
much higher than those made with CF. The learning curve of CF due to its
tag based syntax is much lower, and so people with less programming
experience or less know-how about how to approach certain constructions
are starting quickly writing their code in CF. That is the power behind
CF, but it has its side effects regarding quality. The PHP learning
curve is much higher nor is it very attractive to the beginning
developer. Most people starting with PHP have at least some theoretical
and experience about programming.

Ofcourse there are many good CF developers, but there are also a lot of
unexperienced developers, just because they can get started quickly with
programming. How many developers really use cfqueryparam for instance? I
think there are a lot just output the values without review.

This is true code running in production I had to review once (because
there was an error somewhere)
http://www.mschopman.demon.nl/horror.txt

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Install Problems - CF 7 & XP Pro / IIS

2005-06-02 Thread Brad Roberts

I never could get the Web Server Configuration Tool to work (after
unblocking ports, etc.), so (per Macromedia) I followed the instructions to
configure it manually (http://www.macromedia.com/go/tn_19575).

Now, IIS is very slow when browsing directories, and CF pages are never
displayed.  As soon as I remove the JRun Connector Filter from the ISAPI
filters, IIS runs normally.

Is there a simple way to install CF 7 on Win XP Pro with IIS?  I've been
frustrated over this for a month!

Thanks,

Brad Roberts

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RE: CF vs LAMP

2005-06-02 Thread Larry Lyons

>Good God...my Eyesmy Eyes
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Sent: 02 June 2005 14:04
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
>
>I wonder what the re-worked version looks like?
>
>- Calvin 

If that code is a condemnation of CF, its a fairly weak one. I've seen crap 
code in CF, JS, Java, ASP,PHP, you name it. I've also seen some very elegant 
code in each of those languages. The point is that how much does the code in 
question cost? For most sites, if the PHP site takes twice or three times as 
long as the same site being done in CF, then whatever you have in the free 
software, you've more than spent on programmers wages. So which site is cheaper 
again?

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CFMAIL - HTML and plain text

2005-06-02 Thread Bryan Stevenson

Hey All,

It's been a while since I had to send anything more than plain text with CFMAIL

I tried reading an HTML mail I generated with my mail client set to read as 
plain text only.  For the most part the plain text view of the mail looked fine 
with one exception.  Where lines wrapped, the first line was indented and the 
following lines were not (all the way to left side of window).

Is there any way to control how the plain text will get viewed?  Can I get rid 
of the indent OR the lines wrapping all the way to the left?

TIA

Cheers

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RE: Verity K2

2005-06-02 Thread chad gray

You killing me Neil.  You got my hopes up and squashed them like a bug.
:)


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RE: CFMX Clustering / J2EE Session Sharing (configured, but with unexpected side effects)

2005-06-02 Thread jacksonj

Thanks (once again) Dave.

Our Apache admin is out for the day, so I'm trying to interpret your 
instructions myself (but am having a tough time following them). 

-The way I've dealt with this in the past is to set up each CFMX instance
-with its own web server (either the JRun web server or a specific IIS or
-Apache virtual host)

My CFMX sites are all hosted on a single CFMX instance (per machine), but each 
site has its own virtual host entry (e.g., "ENTRY 2," below).

-then added each instance to the cluster,

Since I've got one CFMX instance per machine, my cluster(s) consist(s) of one 
local CFMX instance and one remote CFMX instance. (So, I think I've completed 
this step.)

-then configured the cluster to talk to a specific IIS or Apache virtual host.

This is the part that I'm unsure how to accomplish. Would you mind helping me 
through this part? I've included some snippets from my httpd.conf.

Thanks,
Jamie


   
   
JRunConfig Verbose false
   
JRunConfig Apialloc false   
   
JRunConfig Ssl false
   
JRunConfig Ignoresuffixmap false
   
JRunConfig Serverstore /usr/local/jrun/lib/wsconfig/1/jrunserver.store  
   
JRunConfig Bootstrap 127.0.0.1:51000   
AddHandler jrun-handler .jsp .jws .cfm  
   
 








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DocumentRoot /var/www/myCfSite  

ServerName my.cf.site.com   
   
ServerAlias stage1.my.cf.site.com   
 
CustomLog /var/log/apache/my.cf.site.com-access_log common  
   
ErrorLog /var/log/apache/my.cf.site.com-error_log
   




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DocumentRoot /var/www/myJavaSite
 
ServerName my.java.site.com 
 
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CustomLog /var/log/apache/my.java.site.com-access_log common
   
ErrorLog /var/log/apache/my.java.site.com-error_log 
   
   
   
   JRunConfig Verbose false 
   
   JRunConfig Apialloc false  
   JRunConfig Ignoresuffixmap false 
   
   JRunConfig Serverstore /usr/local/jrun/lib/wsconfig/3/jrunserver.store   
   
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Re: get parent items from list?

2005-06-02 Thread Claude Schneegans

 >>What I'm getting is a list of items in their tree hierarchy.

This is just not possible with only a list.
If you just have a list, in which every item is the next item parent, 
then your tree has only one branch.
You need at least a table with one column for item and one for its parent.

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Re: Verity K2

2005-06-02 Thread chad gray

Apparently Solaris and Linux Verity are different.

My PDFs have lots of text and index just fine on my windows CF server.

If i try to index the PDFs on linux it just flat out ignores them.  It did the 
three Word Docs that were in the folder, but not the PDFs.


>> chad  wrote: 
>> Verity is limited.  You cannot do Chinese characters and you cannot index 
>> PDFs.
>> 
>
>I've been able to do both of those things on Solaris and would imagine
>that functionality is virtually the same between Linux and Solaris. 
>All I can think of are that your PDFs are scanned (images) versus
>text, but you say you've indexed the same PDFs on Windows so that
>couldn't be the case.

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RE: get parent items from list?

2005-06-02 Thread Kerry

>What's the most efficient way of determining the parent of any item in the
> list and determining that item1 has no parent

perhaps im missing something here, but:

mylist = "item1,item2,item3,item4";

for(i=1; i lte ListLen(mylist);i=i+1){

WriteOutput("I am: "&ListGetAt(mylist,i));

if(i eq 1){
WriteOutput(" and I am the root");
}else{
WriteOutput(" and my parent is: 
"&findparent(mylist,ListGetAt(mylist,i)));
}

WriteOutput("");
}

function findparent(nlist,me){
var myparent = "root";
var myindex = ListFind(nlist,me);

if(myindex gt 1){
myparent = ListGetAt(nlist,myindex-1);
}

return myparent;
}

-Original Message-
From: Jerry Barnes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 02 June 2005 15:36
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: get parent items from list?


Sounds like an adjaceny list model.

Does the list contain the whole tree or does a list only contain a path from
one node to another while other lists contain other paths?



On 6/2/05, Emmet McGovern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Brain Meltdown. Maybe someone can help.
>
> I have a list such as (item1,item2,item3,item4,item5). The list can be any
> length. Item1 would be the parent of item2 and item2 would be the parent
> of
> item3 and so on.
>
> What's the most efficient way of determining the parent of any item in the
> list and determining that item1 has no parent?
>
> Thanks,
> Emmet
>
>
>
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