Re: [Chevelle-List] new member / carb question
Kelly: you up and running? Between moving things and running the road, you wouldn't think so, but I'm still here. Gonna make another trip tomorrow night, then one more week in Big "D"before departing for the "Ranch" for the duration. My Elky needs a new carb...five years is good for an Edelbrock 600 I hear...gonna have to wait til we get settled though...no time to change it now. Other than that, it's running good. The Hannas 2 Elks Ranch
Re: [Chevelle-List] new member / carb question
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List yep, forgot about the computer headaces! I agree with Kelly Don - Original Message - From: "Kelly Hanna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 10:24 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] new member / carb question > > Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List > > > > >Hi all, > > > >I just joined the list today. > > John...welcome to the list > > > I was a professional mechanic about 20 years > >ago, so I do know a thing or two about the older cars. I currently own two > >1968 Oldsmobiles and I recently rescued a 69 El Camino from a junkyard. It > >had no motor or transmission (originally came with a 350 & 2-spd > >powerglide), but it is a very straight, low-rust body and frame. You can see > >a picture of what it looked like the day I found it at: > > Cool Elky...good project starter. > > >So, here's the question. I know a guy selling two Q-jet carburetors: > > > >17057216 AWT 3256 and 17080298 1952 DNO > > > >I believe the first one is a 1977 casting number and the second is probably > >a 1983 casting. Does anybody know how many CFMs these are and whether or not > >either of them will work on a stock cast-iron late 60s (no-EGR) SB intake > >manifold? > > Not sure of the CFM's, but the '83 carb will need a computer to operate > well. Take the '77...less headaches! > > > The Hannas > 2 Elks Ranch > > > > > > > > > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Cowl Hood
try national parts depot at www.npdlink.com i got a brand new one real steel too - Original Message - From: Tim D Shelton To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 11:14 PM Subject: [Chevelle-List] Cowl Hood I am looking for a 70 - 72 Cowl Hood with a flapper style cowl. This hood can be in any shape because I am going to modify it for my car tow vehicle. I know what I can get a new one for, but would prefer a cheaper dented one. I live in the mid-west. Tim D. Shelton- Original Message - From: UT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 12:01 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] TBI?carb question Chris, Ya, its throttle body injection. I get between 18 and if I am really good, 25. I have a small 305 too I thought I would mention. Some of these guys can clarify it more thn I can I'm sure but here ya go. It's just a system with two fuel injectors on top very similar to a carb, but its controlled by a computer. This allows for the more precision than a carb because the computer decides the air/fuel mixture an dwhat not given the conditions. Then there is tuned port. They came on late 80's camaros and other vehicles that just have a fuel injector for each port. Mult-port gives you more precise a/f mixtures over TBI, but TBI runs a wet intake manifold so it stays cooler which is why you see those newer Impalas with their ice packs on the manifolds at the race tracks. :) -Dustin - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] TBI?carb question i know this might sound really dumb to you guys, but i don't know so i gotta ask... what the heck is TBI? my first assumption is throttle body injection, not sure if this is what it is or if i made it up tho. what does it do and how do you get a better mpg with it? curious because i have just invested in a 72 malibu with a 350/4bbl and drive her daily. thanks! chris 72 malibu new jersey
[Chevelle-List] Woodward Dream Cruise
WOW, What a TON of cars. Last week I was a the Midwest Regionals and this week the Woodward cruise. This hobby is alive and well, with that many cars it is good to know that classic iron still lives. We need to get a Chevelle gathering at this show like the vette, cobra, and f-bodies do. Tim D. SheltonI love the smell of bean oil in the morning..it smells like VICTORY!!Man and machine work as a single moving part. He who gets to the flag with all the checkers firstWINS So, Play Hard and Ski Fast !!! S.W. Missouri Go Chiefs!!
[Chevelle-List] Cowl Hood
I am looking for a 70 - 72 Cowl Hood with a flapper style cowl. This hood can be in any shape because I am going to modify it for my car tow vehicle. I know what I can get a new one for, but would prefer a cheaper dented one. I live in the mid-west. Tim D. Shelton- Original Message - From: UT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 12:01 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] TBI?carb question Chris, Ya, its throttle body injection. I get between 18 and if I am really good, 25. I have a small 305 too I thought I would mention. Some of these guys can clarify it more thn I can I'm sure but here ya go. It's just a system with two fuel injectors on top very similar to a carb, but its controlled by a computer. This allows for the more precision than a carb because the computer decides the air/fuel mixture an dwhat not given the conditions. Then there is tuned port. They came on late 80's camaros and other vehicles that just have a fuel injector for each port. Mult-port gives you more precise a/f mixtures over TBI, but TBI runs a wet intake manifold so it stays cooler which is why you see those newer Impalas with their ice packs on the manifolds at the race tracks. :) -Dustin - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] TBI?carb question i know this might sound really dumb to you guys, but i don't know so i gotta ask... what the heck is TBI? my first assumption is throttle body injection, not sure if this is what it is or if i made it up tho. what does it do and how do you get a better mpg with it? curious because i have just invested in a 72 malibu with a 350/4bbl and drive her daily. thanks! chris 72 malibu new jersey
Re: [Chevelle-List] more 69 El Camino questions
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List Welcome John! Don't know about the bumbers. If your old manufold was originally a Q-jet then I believe any Q-jet will fit it. I don't think they changed over the years. If it originally was not for a Q-jet it won't fit without an adapter plate. Sounds like you got a STEAL on the Elcy though!!! Looks pretty good from the pic. Good luck on it. Don > Well, since I'm new here and have a new toy to play with, I also have some > questions. As I mentioned earlier, a picture of the car is at > http://johnnasta.com/elcamino/1.jpg > > Does anybody know how many 69 El Caminos were made (or to go one step > further, how many of them came with 350s)? > > Any idea of the values in #1 - #6 condition? > > Also, you can see in the photo that it has vertical bumper guards. I have > heard conflicting stories, some saying that these are very rare and some > saying that they are not. Does anybody know? I'm actually thinking about > going without them because I think it would look better, but if they were a > rare option maybe I should keep them. Any opinions on that? > > Finally, does anybody know what gear ratio would be in the rear? I haven't > had a chance to look into it. > > Thanks, > John Nasta > > p.s. Want to know what I paid for it? Well, I was supposed to pay $300 for > it, but then he sold the transmission so we dropped it to $200. Then when I > came to get it, one of the guys working there backed into my Olds and put a > small dent in the rear bumper. I had just had those bumpers re-chromed about > a month earlier, which ran about $275 each, so we settled on him giving me > the El Camino for fr*e to make up for it. Unfortunately for the guy who hit > my Olds, his boss said it would come out of his pay. It actually was not a > bargain for me either since it will cost me more to get that bumper redone > again than I was supposed to pay for the El Camino. At that point I just > wanted to get the deal over with though. > > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] TBI?carb question
Chris, Ya, its throttle body injection. I get between 18 and if I am really good, 25. I have a small 305 too I thought I would mention. Some of these guys can clarify it more thn I can I'm sure but here ya go. It's just a system with two fuel injectors on top very similar to a carb, but its controlled by a computer. This allows for the more precision than a carb because the computer decides the air/fuel mixture an dwhat not given the conditions. Then there is tuned port. They came on late 80's camaros and other vehicles that just have a fuel injector for each port. Mult-port gives you more precise a/f mixtures over TBI, but TBI runs a wet intake manifold so it stays cooler which is why you see those newer Impalas with their ice packs on the manifolds at the race tracks. :) -Dustin - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] TBI?carb question i know this might sound really dumb to you guys, but i don't know so i gotta ask... what the heck is TBI? my first assumption is throttle body injection, not sure if this is what it is or if i made it up tho. what does it do and how do you get a better mpg with it? curious because i have just invested in a 72 malibu with a 350/4bbl and drive her daily. thanks! chris 72 malibu new jersey
Re: [Chevelle-List] more 69 El Camino questions
John: I hear ya there. IM about 1/2 through restore on a 65 chevelle. I have over 20k into it and can expect at least another 20k before its done. I see nice ones all done for 20-25k. maybe I should stop? no way this is my baby! Larry
[Chevelle-List] reclining bench seats?
Question: Anyone know if there are stock bench seats that recline and fit a 72 chevelle, or aftermarket or newer model seats that will fit? How about a bench seat that has the fold-down armrest? I love buckets, but benches are where its at for me! I have also heard that alot of monte carlo parts fit chevelles also, how about seats? thanks! chris 72 malibu NJ
Re: [Chevelle-List] new member / carb question
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List >Hi all, > >I just joined the list today. John...welcome to the list > I was a professional mechanic about 20 years >ago, so I do know a thing or two about the older cars. I currently own two >1968 Oldsmobiles and I recently rescued a 69 El Camino from a junkyard. It >had no motor or transmission (originally came with a 350 & 2-spd >powerglide), but it is a very straight, low-rust body and frame. You can see >a picture of what it looked like the day I found it at: Cool Elky...good project starter. >So, here's the question. I know a guy selling two Q-jet carburetors: > >17057216 AWT 3256 and 17080298 1952 DNO > >I believe the first one is a 1977 casting number and the second is probably >a 1983 casting. Does anybody know how many CFMs these are and whether or not >either of them will work on a stock cast-iron late 60s (no-EGR) SB intake >manifold? Not sure of the CFM's, but the '83 carb will need a computer to operate well. Take the '77...less headaches! The Hannas 2 Elks Ranch - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] new member / carb question
Kelly: you up and running? Larry
Re: [Chevelle-List] TBI?carb question
i know this might sound really dumb to you guys, but i don't know so i gotta ask... what the heck is TBI? my first assumption is throttle body injection, not sure if this is what it is or if i made it up tho. what does it do and how do you get a better mpg with it? curious because i have just invested in a 72 malibu with a 350/4bbl and drive her daily. thanks! chris 72 malibu new jersey
RE: [Chevelle-List] more 69 El Camino questions
Thanks Larry. I was able to find the info about rears and production totals very easily. I know what you're saying about free not being cheap. I would have been better off paying $200 for the car than having a $275 bumper job dented, but you have to roll with these things. I also don't want to start the old argument about how you're better off spending more money for one that's in better condition. It's a hobby. I enjoy it, and I like rescuing solid cars out of the boneyards. Both of my 1968 Oldsmobiles were pretty trashed when I bought them too. Wrenching on them and seeing them come back to life is half the fun. The other half is when people admire it and you know that it only looks and runs so well because of what you did to it. -Original Message- john: welcome aboard. try chevelles.com for most of your questions.some times "FREE" isn't cheap. larry
Re: [Chevelle-List] more 69 El Camino questions
john: welcome aboard. try chevelles.com for most of your questions.some times "FREE" isn't cheap. larry
[Chevelle-List] more 69 El Camino questions
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List Well, since I'm new here and have a new toy to play with, I also have some questions. As I mentioned earlier, a picture of the car is at http://johnnasta.com/elcamino/1.jpg Does anybody know how many 69 El Caminos were made (or to go one step further, how many of them came with 350s)? Any idea of the values in #1 - #6 condition? Also, you can see in the photo that it has vertical bumper guards. I have heard conflicting stories, some saying that these are very rare and some saying that they are not. Does anybody know? I'm actually thinking about going without them because I think it would look better, but if they were a rare option maybe I should keep them. Any opinions on that? Finally, does anybody know what gear ratio would be in the rear? I haven't had a chance to look into it. Thanks, John Nasta p.s. Want to know what I paid for it? Well, I was supposed to pay $300 for it, but then he sold the transmission so we dropped it to $200. Then when I came to get it, one of the guys working there backed into my Olds and put a small dent in the rear bumper. I had just had those bumpers re-chromed about a month earlier, which ran about $275 each, so we settled on him giving me the El Camino for fr*e to make up for it. Unfortunately for the guy who hit my Olds, his boss said it would come out of his pay. It actually was not a bargain for me either since it will cost me more to get that bumper redone again than I was supposed to pay for the El Camino. At that point I just wanted to get the deal over with though. - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Chevelle-List] new member / carb question
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List Thanks for the welcome(s) and the replies. The guy who is selling the two Q-jets said he would snap some digital pictures tonight and send them to me. I should be able to tell from the pictures whether or not they will bolt up, but he doesn't know how many CFMs they are. He is not asking a whole lot, so maybe I'll take my chances. The only down-side is that the longer I take to get this carb thing sorted out, the longer the car sits, and I'm anxious to get it running. I was going to buy a new Carter AFB 600 CFM from Jegs for about $200, but if one of these used ones will work, I can save a lot of $$. To answer Tim's question, I live in Brooklyn, NY but I found the El Camino in Charlotte, NC and towed it back on a trailer. It seems some guy bought it as a running car just to pull the 350 out and rebuild it for an 85 Camaro. Then he junked the body. What a fool to pick apart a running, numbers-matching classic! Then the guy at the yard sold the transmission, which at that point was less of a loss. If I could have, I would have paid the original guy not to pull the motor. I'm sure there are plenty of 350s out there in wrecked cars that he could have rebuilt. It does have all of the emblems on it, although some of them should be replaced. Luckily I found it before it got completely picked over. - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Chevelle-List] new member / carb question
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List Welcome to the list John! Sorry, I have no idea about the carb. My Chevelle had a carb for the first year I had it and now its TBI. Better MPG -Dustin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of John Nasta Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 2:16 PM To: Chevelle List Subject: [Chevelle-List] new member / carb question Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List Hi all, I just joined the list today. I was a professional mechanic about 20 years ago, so I do know a thing or two about the older cars. I currently own two 1968 Oldsmobiles and I recently rescued a 69 El Camino from a junkyard. It had no motor or transmission (originally came with a 350 & 2-spd powerglide), but it is a very straight, low-rust body and frame. You can see a picture of what it looked like the day I found it at: http://johnnasta.com/elcamino/1.jpg Since then I've torn down the whole nose (even took the cobwebs off the bumper & headlight doors), cleaned up the inner fenders & rad support & painted them, replaced the entire front end & painted it all with POR-15, I also painted the from legs of the frame and the firewall with POR-15, and I've replaced the shocks & springs. I bought a Turbo 350 transmission and I am currently building a 283 4bbl (1958 block w/ later heads w/ hardened x-valve seats, stock pistons & cam). So, here's the question. I know a guy selling two Q-jet carburetors: 17057216 AWT 3256 and 17080298 1952 DNO I believe the first one is a 1977 casting number and the second is probably a 1983 casting. Does anybody know how many CFMs these are and whether or not either of them will work on a stock cast-iron late 60s (no-EGR) SB intake manifold? Thanks for any advice, and I hope this is a lively list. Seems quiet so far, but it's only been a few hours. John Nasta - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] SS stripes
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List I just laid out my stripes last night and they were painted on today. I used one of the tape kits and would STRONGLY advise to use one. My paint guy has been doing cars for almost 30 years and was doing Chevelles when they were almost new fron collision work. He was very impressed with the tape kit. I don't think he'll ever stripe one from scratch again! Just my 2 cents! Josh Gin (NoNeck) Visit my Chevelle website http://www.NoNecksChevelle.com Team Chevelle #752 - Original Message - From: "Bill Vander Werf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] SS stripes > > Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List > > > Keith, > > I tried to email you privately but it was kicked back to me as > undeliverable at the address listed. > > I would like a copy of those pages if you don't mind. I'm building a > 71and I would like to duplicate the factory stipes. > > Thanks, > Bill Vander Werf > > > Keith Cooper wrote: > > > I don't know if the are any differants from a 69,70,71 etc, but I have > > an assembly manual for a 71 Chevelle that show all the placement and > > measurement for the SS strip if you want it. I will have to bring the > > book home and scan the pages for you. Let me know.Keith > > > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Chevelle-List] Welcome
Welcome to the List John! Obviously a great way to startsave a Elco from the Boneyard! As for the Carb...I have little to offer...I have been using aftermarket since the late 60's! Johnnie & Lisa Lawson '72 Chevelle SS "Cheaptrick" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Chevelle-List] new member / carb question
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List Welcome to the list. We can be pretty lively...been comparativly slow recently...must be nice cruising weather. Looks like you're starting with a nice '69 there. I'm jealous. '69 is my favorite year and I'd like an elky to go with my 'velle. Where are you that you found a car with what looks like all the chrome and emblems in a junkyard? Anyway, can't help you with the carb question, just saying hello. Tim. Proud Owner: '69 Chevelle (Still known as puddles) On 21-Aug-2001 John Nasta wrote: > > Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List > > > Hi all, > > I just joined the list today. I was a professional mechanic about 20 years > ago, so I do know a thing or two about the older cars. I currently own two > 1968 Oldsmobiles and I recently rescued a 69 El Camino from a junkyard. It > had no motor or transmission (originally came with a 350 & 2-spd > powerglide), but it is a very straight, low-rust body and frame. You can see > a picture of what it looked like the day I found it at: > > http://johnnasta.com/elcamino/1.jpg > > Since then I've torn down the whole nose (even took the cobwebs off the > bumper & headlight doors), cleaned up the inner fenders & rad support & > painted them, replaced the entire front end & painted it all with POR-15, I > also painted the from legs of the frame and the firewall with POR-15, and > I've replaced the shocks & springs. I bought a Turbo 350 transmission and I > am currently building a 283 4bbl (1958 block w/ later heads w/ hardened > x-valve seats, stock pistons & cam). > > So, here's the question. I know a guy selling two Q-jet carburetors: > > 17057216 AWT 3256 and 17080298 1952 DNO > > I believe the first one is a 1977 casting number and the second is probably > a 1983 casting. Does anybody know how many CFMs these are and whether or not > either of them will work on a stock cast-iron late 60s (no-EGR) SB intake > manifold? > > Thanks for any advice, and I hope this is a lively list. Seems quiet so far, > but it's only been a few hours. > > John Nasta > > > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Chevelle-List] new member / carb question
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List Hi all, I just joined the list today. I was a professional mechanic about 20 years ago, so I do know a thing or two about the older cars. I currently own two 1968 Oldsmobiles and I recently rescued a 69 El Camino from a junkyard. It had no motor or transmission (originally came with a 350 & 2-spd powerglide), but it is a very straight, low-rust body and frame. You can see a picture of what it looked like the day I found it at: http://johnnasta.com/elcamino/1.jpg Since then I've torn down the whole nose (even took the cobwebs off the bumper & headlight doors), cleaned up the inner fenders & rad support & painted them, replaced the entire front end & painted it all with POR-15, I also painted the from legs of the frame and the firewall with POR-15, and I've replaced the shocks & springs. I bought a Turbo 350 transmission and I am currently building a 283 4bbl (1958 block w/ later heads w/ hardened x-valve seats, stock pistons & cam). So, here's the question. I know a guy selling two Q-jet carburetors: 17057216 AWT 3256 and 17080298 1952 DNO I believe the first one is a 1977 casting number and the second is probably a 1983 casting. Does anybody know how many CFMs these are and whether or not either of them will work on a stock cast-iron late 60s (no-EGR) SB intake manifold? Thanks for any advice, and I hope this is a lively list. Seems quiet so far, but it's only been a few hours. John Nasta - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] SS stripes
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List Keith, I tried to email you privately but it was kicked back to me as undeliverable at the address listed. I would like a copy of those pages if you don't mind. I'm building a 71and I would like to duplicate the factory stipes. Thanks, Bill Vander Werf Keith Cooper wrote: > I don't know if the are any differants from a 69,70,71 etc, but I have > an assembly manual for a 71 Chevelle that show all the placement and > measurement for the SS strip if you want it. I will have to bring the > book home and scan the pages for you. Let me know.Keith - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Misc Stuff!!
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List I kind of agree with both of you at least somewhat. I don't think Trevor has gone over the line...yet, but I do think it is time to bring it to his attention that this is not a sales forum. Some info about parts, suppliers & such is welcome ( at least by me) but it should not become a regular sales pitch every time you write something. My 2 cents worth, Don > > I happen to agree with Larry, This is not a personal > advertisement forum for some guys business. If you > want to sell parts, thats why there are places like > Team Chevelle parts for sale, and hey, there is the > trusty Ebay, And Rodney, I think you also would get > pretty tired every time someone logged in, they tryed > to sell you a bunch of crap, read that as used parts, > I think you would also be happier reading about and > helping people fix there Chevelles, not reading a > parts list. > > Rocky Hill > My66SS http://www.geocities.com/rocks66ss > > > > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Trevor: > > i don't know about anyone else thinks but your > > emails are more of a sales > > pitch than a helping hand like you stated you would > > be doing your first > > message. if you want to sell us or me stuff i > > suggest you email us separately > > or mail the group and tell us you have stuff for > > sale at TeamChevelle. as far > > as I'm concerned you are welcome here but not to > > pitch your wares every time > > you pop in the room. > > > > Larry (z16chevelleguy) > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
