Re: [Re: How to verify the CIR from my router?]
Nooo. To find CIR through Bandwith statement is not a right criteria becausee if we are using IGRP/EIGRP , we need to play with Bandwidth statement to select primary and secondary routes so we might need to change them different as Actual CIR,.. True, but "show frame map" IS the actual CIR as presented to your equipment by the Frame Relay Switch. That's the only point I was making. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
How to verify the CIR from my router?
All, Just want to ask how I could verfify/display the CIR of my PVC? I know we could throw traffic to verify this, but I just got a new PVC on a production router(we just add a new PVC on our production T1), so I can not push traffic to the production router just to verify the PVC. Is there any other ways to verify the CIR? Thanks Jack _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to verify the CIR from my router?
I believe that encap frame-relay cisco will display CIR from the cloud switch, other encaps will not. ""Jack Walker"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 8ucb78$kpr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8ucb78$kpr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... All, Just want to ask how I could verfify/display the CIR of my PVC? I know we could throw traffic to verify this, but I just got a new PVC on a production router(we just add a new PVC on our production T1), so I can not push traffic to the production router just to verify the PVC. Is there any other ways to verify the CIR? Thanks Jack _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to verify the CIR from my router?
Jeff, I am not user taffic shaping, so I am not sure which command can help me here, I do have cisco encap, but I tried all those show frame ? commands, no luck. Thanks Jack -- ""Jeff McCoy"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 8ucblc$msb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8ucblc$msb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I believe that encap frame-relay cisco will display CIR from the cloud switch, other encaps will not. ""Jack Walker"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 8ucb78$kpr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8ucb78$kpr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... All, Just want to ask how I could verfify/display the CIR of my PVC? I know we could throw traffic to verify this, but I just got a new PVC on a production router(we just add a new PVC on our production T1), so I can not push traffic to the production router just to verify the PVC. Is there any other ways to verify the CIR? Thanks Jack _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: How to verify the CIR from my router?
Title: RE: How to verify the CIR from my router? Try debug frame-relay lmi and wait for the full status enquiry (takes place every 6 updates, or 60 seconds, by default). If the switch is providing the CIR information in its updates, this is where you'll see it. - Don -Original Message- From: Jack Walker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 12:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: How to verify the CIR from my router? Jeff, I am not user taffic shaping, so I am not sure which command can help me here, I do have cisco encap, but I tried all those show frame ? commands, no luck. Thanks Jack -- Jeff McCoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 8ucblc$msb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]" TARGET="_blank">news:8ucblc$msb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I believe that encap frame-relay cisco will display CIR from the cloud switch, other encaps will not. Jack Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 8ucb78$kpr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]" TARGET="_blank">news:8ucb78$kpr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... All, Just want to ask how I could verfify/display the CIR of my PVC? I know we could throw traffic to verify this, but I just got a new PVC on a production router(we just add a new PVC on our production T1), so I can not push traffic to the production router just to verify the PVC. Is there any other ways to verify the CIR? Thanks Jack _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: How to verify the CIR from my router?
show frame-relay map should show you the CIR. I will paste the output of one of my routers: Router-R1#sh fra map Serial0.1 (up): point-to-point dlci, dlci 500(0x1F4,0x7C40), broadcast, BW = 256000 status defined, active Serial0.3 (up): point-to-point dlci, dlci 901(0x385,0xE050), broadcast, BW = 768000 status defined, active This is a T-1 with two PVC's defined. One is a 256K cir and the other is a 768 CIR. The BW= shows the CIR. Jeff -Original Message- From: Jack Walker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 12:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: How to verify the CIR from my router? Jeff, I am not user taffic shaping, so I am not sure which command can help me here, I do have cisco encap, but I tried all those show frame ? commands, no luck. Thanks Jack -- ""Jeff McCoy"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 8ucblc$msb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8ucblc$msb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I believe that encap frame-relay cisco will display CIR from the cloud switch, other encaps will not. ""Jack Walker"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 8ucb78$kpr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8ucb78$kpr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... All, Just want to ask how I could verfify/display the CIR of my PVC? I know we could throw traffic to verify this, but I just got a new PVC on a production router(we just add a new PVC on our production T1), so I can not push traffic to the production router just to verify the PVC. Is there any other ways to verify the CIR? Thanks Jack _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: How to verify the CIR from my router?
"show frame-relay map" should show you the CIR. Feargal -Original Message- From: Jack Walker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 12:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: How to verify the CIR from my router? Jeff, I am not user taffic shaping, so I am not sure which command can help me here, I do have cisco encap, but I tried all those show frame ? commands, no luck. Thanks Jack -- ""Jeff McCoy"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 8ucblc$msb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8ucblc$msb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I believe that encap frame-relay cisco will display CIR from the cloud switch, other encaps will not. ""Jack Walker"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 8ucb78$kpr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8ucb78$kpr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... All, Just want to ask how I could verfify/display the CIR of my PVC? I know we could throw traffic to verify this, but I just got a new PVC on a production router(we just add a new PVC on our production T1), so I can not push traffic to the production router just to verify the PVC. Is there any other ways to verify the CIR? Thanks Jack _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to verify the CIR from my router?
Try a 'debug frame-relay lmi'. Keith _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to verify the CIR from my router?
Thanks Jeff. Actually, I made a mistake, I was talking about E1, I noticed that when I do a show frame map, the T1s in our network all display their CIRs, but not the E1s. This is interesting. Serial3/1.4 (up): point-to-point dlci, dlci 495(0x1EF,0x78F0), broadcast status defined, active Serial3/5.1 (up): point-to-point dlci, dlci 201(0xC9,0x3090), broadcast status defined, active Jack ""Odell, Jeff"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message CD9DBAE1E066D311A8AE00805FA7F57C04FB6D5C@NTMAIL03">news:CD9DBAE1E066D311A8AE00805FA7F57C04FB6D5C@NTMAIL03... show frame-relay map should show you the CIR. I will paste the output of one of my routers: Router-R1#sh fra map Serial0.1 (up): point-to-point dlci, dlci 500(0x1F4,0x7C40), broadcast, BW = 256000 status defined, active Serial0.3 (up): point-to-point dlci, dlci 901(0x385,0xE050), broadcast, BW = 768000 status defined, active This is a T-1 with two PVC's defined. One is a 256K cir and the other is a 768 CIR. The BW= shows the CIR. Jeff -Original Message- From: Jack Walker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 12:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: How to verify the CIR from my router? Jeff, I am not user taffic shaping, so I am not sure which command can help me here, I do have cisco encap, but I tried all those show frame ? commands, no luck. Thanks Jack -- ""Jeff McCoy"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 8ucblc$msb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8ucblc$msb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I believe that encap frame-relay cisco will display CIR from the cloud switch, other encaps will not. ""Jack Walker"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 8ucb78$kpr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8ucb78$kpr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... All, Just want to ask how I could verfify/display the CIR of my PVC? I know we could throw traffic to verify this, but I just got a new PVC on a production router(we just add a new PVC on our production T1), so I can not push traffic to the production router just to verify the PVC. Is there any other ways to verify the CIR? Thanks Jack _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to verify the CIR from my router?
Try 'debug frame lmi' (don't forget to type 'term mon' to see the output if you're not at the console, and turn the debug off after you've finished). This will give you (every minute) a list of PVCs that the switch knows about, and their status. According to the Cisco doco, it will also show the CIR. It doesn't on mine, but then I'm using ANSI LMI. JMcL -- Forwarded by Jenny Mcleod/NSO/CSDA on 09/11/2000 08:54 am --- "Jack Walker" [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 09/11/2000 07:35:27 am Please respond to "Jack Walker" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:(bcc: JENNY MCLEOD/NSO/CSDA) Subject: Re: How to verify the CIR from my router? Jeff, I am not user taffic shaping, so I am not sure which command can help me here, I do have cisco encap, but I tried all those show frame ? commands, no luck. Thanks Jack -- ""Jeff McCoy"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 8ucblc$msb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8ucblc$msb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I believe that encap frame-relay cisco will display CIR from the cloud switch, other encaps will not. ""Jack Walker"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 8ucb78$kpr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8ucb78$kpr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... All, Just want to ask how I could verfify/display the CIR of my PVC? I know we could throw traffic to verify this, but I just got a new PVC on a production router(we just add a new PVC on our production T1), so I can not push traffic to the production router just to verify the PVC. Is there any other ways to verify the CIR? Thanks Jack _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: How to verify the CIR from my router?
I think it may depend on the version of IOS on the router. I've got some routers that show the same thing with sho fra map and some don't show the bandwidth. Cory -Original Message- From: Odell, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 3:28 PM To: 'Jack Walker'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: How to verify the CIR from my router? show frame-relay map should show you the CIR. I will paste the output of one of my routers: Router-R1#sh fra map Serial0.1 (up): point-to-point dlci, dlci 500(0x1F4,0x7C40), broadcast, BW = 256000 status defined, active Serial0.3 (up): point-to-point dlci, dlci 901(0x385,0xE050), broadcast, BW = 768000 status defined, active This is a T-1 with two PVC's defined. One is a 256K cir and the other is a 768 CIR. The BW= shows the CIR. Jeff -Original Message- From: Jack Walker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 12:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: How to verify the CIR from my router? Jeff, I am not user taffic shaping, so I am not sure which command can help me here, I do have cisco encap, but I tried all those show frame ? commands, no luck. Thanks Jack -- ""Jeff McCoy"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 8ucblc$msb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8ucblc$msb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I believe that encap frame-relay cisco will display CIR from the cloud switch, other encaps will not. ""Jack Walker"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 8ucb78$kpr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8ucb78$kpr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... All, Just want to ask how I could verfify/display the CIR of my PVC? I know we could throw traffic to verify this, but I just got a new PVC on a production router(we just add a new PVC on our production T1), so I can not push traffic to the production router just to verify the PVC. Is there any other ways to verify the CIR? Thanks Jack _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to verify the CIR from my router?
the bandwidth statement only effects metric calculation (for routing protocols) and has nothing to do with actual interface speeds. Pete *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 11/8/2000 at 5:45 PM Raul F. Fernandez wrote: Well is this BW statement based on the bandwith statement entered in the config for a routing protocol to use? I dont think this command will give you the acutal CIR of the circuit. I maybe wrong...let me know. Sincerely, Raul -Original Message- From: Odell, Jeff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Jack Walker' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 5:09 PM Subject: RE: How to verify the CIR from my router? show frame-relay map should show you the CIR. I will paste the output of one of my routers: Router-R1#sh fra map Serial0.1 (up): point-to-point dlci, dlci 500(0x1F4,0x7C40), broadcast, BW = 256000 status defined, active Serial0.3 (up): point-to-point dlci, dlci 901(0x385,0xE050), broadcast, BW = 768000 status defined, active This is a T-1 with two PVC's defined. One is a 256K cir and the other is a 768 CIR. The BW= shows the CIR. Jeff -Original Message- From: Jack Walker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 12:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: How to verify the CIR from my router? Jeff, I am not user taffic shaping, so I am not sure which command can help me here, I do have cisco encap, but I tried all those show frame ? commands, no luck. Thanks Jack -- ""Jeff McCoy"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 8ucblc$msb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8ucblc$msb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I believe that encap frame-relay cisco will display CIR from the cloud switch, other encaps will not. ""Jack Walker"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 8ucb78$kpr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8ucb78$kpr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... All, Just want to ask how I could verfify/display the CIR of my PVC? I know we could throw traffic to verify this, but I just got a new PVC on a production router(we just add a new PVC on our production T1), so I can not push traffic to the production router just to verify the PVC. Is there any other ways to verify the CIR? Thanks Jack _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to verify the CIR from my router?
Well is this BW statement based on the bandwith statement entered in the config for a routing protocol to use? I dont think this command will give you the acutal CIR of the circuit. I maybe wrong...let me know. The BW statement in the "show frame-relay map" command represents the CIR as presented to your equipment from the Frame Relay Switch. Your "bandwidth" setting will not affect this output. I ran in to a situation a few weeks ago where on our new PVCs we were no longer receiving CIR declarations in the LMI updates from MCI's Frame Relay Switches--it turned out all the PVCs were provisioned with 0 CIRs (yes, zero). After fixing them, we now see BW statements again. This is an extremely useful benefit of Cisco-style LMI, as it can often save you a call to your provider to verify CIRs. I know it does me. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Re: How to verify the CIR from my router?]
Nooo. To find CIR through Bandwith statement is not a right criteria becausee if we are using IGRP/EIGRP , we need to play with Bandwidth statement to select primary and secondary routes so we might need to change them different as Actual CIR,.. IF we are using ATM links, we could surely find it but I donot know weather there is any other criteria to determine this for FR?? Faisal Athar. "Jason A. Diegmueller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well is this BW statement based on the bandwith statement entered in the config for a routing protocol to use? I dont think this command will give you the acutal CIR of the circuit. I maybe wrong...let me know. The BW statement in the "show frame-relay map" command represents the CIR as presented to your equipment from the Frame Relay Switch. Your "bandwidth" setting will not affect this output. I ran in to a situation a few weeks ago where on our new PVCs we were no longer receiving CIR declarations in the LMI updates from MCI's Frame Relay Switches--it turned out all the PVCs were provisioned with 0 CIRs (yes, zero). After fixing them, we now see BW statements again. This is an extremely useful benefit of Cisco-style LMI, as it can often save you a call to your provider to verify CIRs. I know it does me. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Re: How to verify the CIR from my router?]
Nooo. To find CIR through Bandwith statement is not a right criteria becausee if we are using IGRP/EIGRP , we need to play with Bandwidth statement to select primary and secondary routes so we might need to change them different as Actual CIR,.. IF we are using ATM links, we could surely find it but I donot know weather there is any other criteria to determine this for FR?? Faisal Athar. "Jason A. Diegmueller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well is this BW statement based on the bandwith statement entered in the config for a routing protocol to use? I dont think this command will give you the acutal CIR of the circuit. I maybe wrong...let me know. The BW statement in the "show frame-relay map" command represents the CIR as presented to your equipment from the Frame Relay Switch. Your "bandwidth" setting will not affect this output. I ran in to a situation a few weeks ago where on our new PVCs we were no longer receiving CIR declarations in the LMI updates from MCI's Frame Relay Switches--it turned out all the PVCs were provisioned with 0 CIRs (yes, zero). After fixing them, we now see BW statements again. This is an extremely useful benefit of Cisco-style LMI, as it can often save you a call to your provider to verify CIRs. I know it does me. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
