Stus-List C&C30MK1 sail plan

[Curtis via CnC-List]

Can anybody give me the sailplan for my boat? What sail to use under what
wind condition. What is the comfort rating, tern over ratio. I have no
paper work with this boat that shows this information. It would be nice to
have a printed version of this information.

example on sail -plan

The sail plan for a Lagoon 380 in sustained winds is as follows:

*Force 5 winds (up to 22 knots): full sail, both main and jib.*

*Force 6 winds (22 to 26 knots): one reef in the main and full jib.*

*Force 7 winds (27 to 28 knots): one reef in the main and one reef in the
jib.*

*Force 7 winds (29 to 33 knots): two reefs in both the main and the jib.*

*Force 8 winds (34 to 38 knots): two reefs in the main and three reefs in
the jib.*

*Force 9 winds (39 to 44 knots): drop mainsail completely and three reefs
in jib.*

Above 44 knots, all sail is dropped and the mainsail bag and boom will be
quite enough sail, thank you.
Thanks for your help...
-- 

*Best regards,*


*Curtis McDaniel, *


*C&C 30-MK1 East Coast Lady*


*Port Royal,*


*South Carolina*

*cpt.b...@gmail.com *


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Re: Stus-List C&C30MK1 sail plan

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

This is pretty much a universal rule of thumb.

Reduce sail area when you loose helm, rail starts going in the water, or
the wife starts screaming.
Add sail area until one of the above occurs.

In actuality "reef early and often" is a better rule.

Additionally,  any more than ~20° of heel is when you should start working
to flatten the boat.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Aug 19, 2014 10:32 AM, "Curtis via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Can anybody give me the sailplan for my boat? What sail to use under what
> wind condition. What is the comfort rating, tern over ratio. I have no
> paper work with this boat that shows this information. It would be nice to
> have a printed version of this information.
>
> example on sail -plan
>
> The sail plan for a Lagoon 380 in sustained winds is as follows:
>
> *Force 5 winds (up to 22 knots): full sail, both main and jib.*
>
> *Force 6 winds (22 to 26 knots): one reef in the main and full jib.*
>
> *Force 7 winds (27 to 28 knots): one reef in the main and one reef in the
> jib.*
>
> *Force 7 winds (29 to 33 knots): two reefs in both the main and the jib.*
>
> *Force 8 winds (34 to 38 knots): two reefs in the main and three reefs in
> the jib.*
>
> *Force 9 winds (39 to 44 knots): drop mainsail completely and three reefs
> in jib.*
>
> Above 44 knots, all sail is dropped and the mainsail bag and boom will be
> quite enough sail, thank you.
> Thanks for your help...
> --
>
> *Best regards,*
>
>
> *Curtis McDaniel, *
>
>
> *C&C 30-MK1 East Coast Lady*
>
>
> *Port Royal,*
>
>
> *South Carolina*
>
>  *cpt.b...@gmail.com *
>
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Re: Stus-List C&C30MK1 sail plan

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

You are missing a vital point. Charter cats NEED a written sailplan. They have 
little to no steering feel and don't heel until it is too late. If you leave 
too much sail up they might just round up against full rudder, go really fast 
but ruin the sails*, break something, or perhaps capsize. It should be very 
obvious when a C&C needs some sail trim. If you need both hands on the wheel to 
steer and the rail is underwater that is a good hint. You also need to know the 
strength of the sails and the strength of the crew. My #1 genoas could be used 
off the wind in a lot more wind than would be good for the light cloth. My 
spinnaker is a light air sail for us while cruising. We don't have the manpower 
to handle a heavy air spinnaker run with just my wife and I to do all the work.

*do not show charter company video of their boat doing 15 knots. Just sayin'

Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Aug 19, 2014 10:32 AM, "Curtis via CnC-List" 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Can anybody give me the sailplan for my boat? What sail to use under what wind 
condition. What is the comfort rating, tern over ratio. I have no paper work 
with this boat that shows this information. It would be nice to have a printed 
version of this information.

example on sail -plan

The sail plan for a Lagoon 380 in sustained winds is as follows:

Force 5 winds (up to 22 knots): full sail, both main and jib.

Force 6 winds (22 to 26 knots): one reef in the main and full jib.

Force 7 winds (27 to 28 knots): one reef in the main and one reef in the jib.

Force 7 winds (29 to 33 knots): two reefs in both the main and the jib.

Force 8 winds (34 to 38 knots): two reefs in the main and three reefs in the 
jib.

Force 9 winds (39 to 44 knots): drop mainsail completely and three reefs in jib.

Above 44 knots, all sail is dropped and the mainsail bag and boom will be quite 
enough sail, thank you.
Thanks for your help...
--

Best regards,

Curtis McDaniel,

C&C 30-MK1 East Coast Lady

Port Royal,

South Carolina

cpt.b...@gmail.com


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Re: Stus-List C&C30MK1 sail plan

[Michael Brown via CnC-List]

The recommended sail plan would need to factor in what type of sails you have, 
the condition
of the sails, what the Apparent Wind Angle is, and also what you are trying to 
accomplish.
Getting the last 0.1 kt of speed in a race versus taking a conservative choice 
for a cruise will
give different sail plans.

The good thing is that the C&C 30 MK1 will handle a larger sail plan for a 
while in heavy wind
with becoming unsafe or impossible to handle.

East Coast Lady will tell you when you have too much sail area up. The 
indicators are excessive
heel ( over 30 degrees ) or a lot of force / rudder angle to steer.

With a catamaran, which is what I am guessing a Lagoon 380 is, the indicators 
are not as clear.
The cats may have a full dodger and bimini, not heel as much and possibly if 
they have a balanced
rudder not give much feedback steering. If that is the case a sail plan by wind 
speed is useful.

So, all the disclaimers aside and assuming the sail material will handle the 
load ...

In True Wind Speed for performance or racing:

0 - 3 kts: pleasant drifting. A smaller ~ 140% deep jib may work
3 - 14 kts: full main and a 155% jib
12 - 18 kts: full main and a "flatter" 155% jib
16 - 22 kts: full main and a 140% jib
20 - 26 kts: consider reefing the main and 140% jib
24 - 30 kts: reefed main and 140% or smaller
28 - 32 kts: reefed main and 90% blade

If you are cruising or don't really care about the last fraction of a knot of 
speed downsize
at a couple of knots of TWS less. The above recommendations are only a starting 
point
and will be completely wrong if you have a stretched out main and a deeply cut 
furling jib.

An acquaintance advised me of his proven formula for the last 30 years.

0 - 5 kts: Motor
5 - 15 kts: 130% furling headsail and full main
15 - 20 kts: 130% furling headsail and reefed ( or no ) main
20+ kts: Motor, the drinks keep spilling.


Michael Brown
Windburn
C&C 30-1


Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 10:32:34 -0400 
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Can anybody give me the sailplan for my boat? What sail to use under what 
wind condition. What is the comfort rating, tern over ratio. I have no 
paper work with this boat that shows this information. It would be nice to 
have a printed version of this information. 
 
example on sail -plan 
 
The sail plan for a Lagoon 380 in sustained winds is as follows: 
 
*Force 5 winds (up to 22 knots): full sail, both main and jib.* 
 
*Force 6 winds (22 to 26 knots): one reef in the main and full jib.* 
 
*Force 7 winds (27 to 28 knots): one reef in the main and one reef in the 
jib.* 
 
*Force 7 winds (29 to 33 knots): two reefs in both the main and the jib.* 
 
*Force 8 winds (34 to 38 knots): two reefs in the main and three reefs in 
the jib.* 
 
*Force 9 winds (39 to 44 knots): drop mainsail completely and three reefs 
in jib.* 
 
Above 44 knots, all sail is dropped and the mainsail bag and boom will be 
quite enough sail, thank you. 
Thanks for your help... 
--  
 
*Best regards,* 
 
 
*Curtis McDaniel, * 
 
 
*C&C 30-MK1 East Coast Lady* 
 
 
*Port Royal,* 
 
 
*South Carolina* 
 
*cpt.b...@gmail.com * 
 
 
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Re: Stus-List C&C30MK1 sail plan

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Good point Joe.  I did make the assumption that he was talking about a
monohull despite referencing a catamaran.

Josh

P.S. So the charter companies don't like seeing their boats sailed
properly?
On Aug 19, 2014 12:20 PM, "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>  You are missing a vital point. Charter cats NEED a written sailplan.
> They have little to no steering feel and don't heel until it is too late.
> If you leave too much sail up they might just round up against full rudder,
> go really fast but ruin the sails*, break something, or perhaps capsize. It
> should be very obvious when a C&C needs some sail trim. If you need both
> hands on the wheel to steer and the rail is underwater that is a good hint.
> You also need to know the strength of the sails and the strength of the
> crew. My #1 genoas could be used off the wind in a lot more wind than would
> be good for the light cloth. My spinnaker is a light air sail for us while
> cruising. We don't have the manpower to handle a heavy air spinnaker run
> with just my wife and I to do all the work.
>
>
>
> *do not show charter company video of their boat doing 15 knots. Just
> sayin'
>
>
>
> *Joe Della Barba*
>
> Coquina
>
> C&C 35 MK I
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
> On Aug 19, 2014 10:32 AM, "Curtis via CnC-List" 
> wrote:
>
> Can anybody give me the sailplan for my boat? What sail to use under what
> wind condition. What is the comfort rating, tern over ratio. I have no
> paper work with this boat that shows this information. It would be nice to
> have a printed version of this information.
>
>
>
> example on sail -plan
>
> The sail plan for a Lagoon 380 in sustained winds is as follows:
>
> *Force 5 winds (up to 22 knots): full sail, both main and jib.*
>
> *Force 6 winds (22 to 26 knots): one reef in the main and full jib.*
>
> *Force 7 winds (27 to 28 knots): one reef in the main and one reef in the
> jib.*
>
> *Force 7 winds (29 to 33 knots): two reefs in both the main and the jib.*
>
> *Force 8 winds (34 to 38 knots): two reefs in the main and three reefs in
> the jib.*
>
> *Force 9 winds (39 to 44 knots): drop mainsail completely and three reefs
> in jib.*
>
> Above 44 knots, all sail is dropped and the mainsail bag and boom will be
> quite enough sail, thank you.
>
> Thanks for your help...
>
> --
>
> *Best regards,*
>
> *Curtis McDaniel, *
>
> *C&C 30-MK1 East Coast Lady*
>
> *Port Royal,*
>
> *South Carolina*
>
> *cpt.b...@gmail.com *
>
>
>
> * __/) *
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Re: Stus-List C&C30MK1 sail plan

[Curtis via CnC-List]

Yeeea, Maybe I was not clear on my point.I am kinda just looking for
written speck's on the boat. I wanted to have it in my book. I wanted the
official C&C version. I would like to see how the numbers measure up other
boats. Not looking for sailing advise. I know when to shake one out or the
fly the kite. That's why I gave an example.
Thank you for your help.





On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Good point Joe.  I did make the assumption that he was talking about a
> monohull despite referencing a catamaran.
>
> Josh
>
> P.S. So the charter companies don't like seeing their boats sailed
> properly?
> On Aug 19, 2014 12:20 PM, "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>>  You are missing a vital point. Charter cats NEED a written sailplan.
>> They have little to no steering feel and don't heel until it is too late.
>> If you leave too much sail up they might just round up against full rudder,
>> go really fast but ruin the sails*, break something, or perhaps capsize. It
>> should be very obvious when a C&C needs some sail trim. If you need both
>> hands on the wheel to steer and the rail is underwater that is a good hint.
>> You also need to know the strength of the sails and the strength of the
>> crew. My #1 genoas could be used off the wind in a lot more wind than would
>> be good for the light cloth. My spinnaker is a light air sail for us while
>> cruising. We don't have the manpower to handle a heavy air spinnaker run
>> with just my wife and I to do all the work.
>>
>>
>>
>> *do not show charter company video of their boat doing 15 knots. Just
>> sayin'
>>
>>
>>
>> *Joe Della Barba*
>>
>> Coquina
>>
>> C&C 35 MK I
>>
>> Josh Muckley
>> S/V Sea Hawk
>> 1989 C&C 37+
>> Solomons, MD
>>
>> On Aug 19, 2014 10:32 AM, "Curtis via CnC-List" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Can anybody give me the sailplan for my boat? What sail to use under what
>> wind condition. What is the comfort rating, tern over ratio. I have no
>> paper work with this boat that shows this information. It would be nice to
>> have a printed version of this information.
>>
>>
>>
>> example on sail -plan
>>
>> The sail plan for a Lagoon 380 in sustained winds is as follows:
>>
>> *Force 5 winds (up to 22 knots): full sail, both main and jib.*
>>
>> *Force 6 winds (22 to 26 knots): one reef in the main and full jib.*
>>
>> *Force 7 winds (27 to 28 knots): one reef in the main and one reef in the
>> jib.*
>>
>> *Force 7 winds (29 to 33 knots): two reefs in both the main and the jib.*
>>
>> *Force 8 winds (34 to 38 knots): two reefs in the main and three reefs in
>> the jib.*
>>
>> *Force 9 winds (39 to 44 knots): drop mainsail completely and three reefs
>> in jib.*
>>
>> Above 44 knots, all sail is dropped and the mainsail bag and boom will be
>> quite enough sail, thank you.
>>
>> Thanks for your help...
>>
>> --
>>
>> *Best regards,*
>>
>> *Curtis McDaniel, *
>>
>> *C&C 30-MK1 East Coast Lady*
>>
>> *Port Royal,*
>>
>> *South Carolina*
>>
>> *cpt.b...@gmail.com *
>>
>>
>>
>> * __/) *
>>
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*Curtis McDaniel, *


*C&C 30-MK1 East Coast Lady*


*Port Royal,*


*South Carolina*

*cpt.b...@gmail.com *


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Re: Stus-List C&C30MK1 sail plan

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

You can find a sail plan as in the drawings and dimensions easy enough, but a 
"this much sail in this much wind" written plan is something I never even knew 
existed until I sailed a charter cat. We had an easier way anyway with the big 
cat - just watch the rudder angle and reef anytime it got to 20 degrees.

Joe Della Barba
Coquina
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Curtis via 
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Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 1:27 PM
To: Josh Muckley; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C30MK1 sail plan

Yeeea, Maybe I was not clear on my point.I am kinda just looking for written 
speck's on the boat. I wanted to have it in my book. I wanted the official C&C 
version. I would like to see how the numbers measure up other boats. Not 
looking for sailing advise. I know when to shake one out or the fly the kite. 
That's why I gave an example.
Thank you for your help.




On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Good point Joe.  I did make the assumption that he was talking about a monohull 
despite referencing a catamaran.

Josh

P.S. So the charter companies don't like seeing their boats sailed properly?
On Aug 19, 2014 12:20 PM, "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
You are missing a vital point. Charter cats NEED a written sailplan. They have 
little to no steering feel and don't heel until it is too late. If you leave 
too much sail up they might just round up against full rudder, go really fast 
but ruin the sails*, break something, or perhaps capsize. It should be very 
obvious when a C&C needs some sail trim. If you need both hands on the wheel to 
steer and the rail is underwater that is a good hint. You also need to know the 
strength of the sails and the strength of the crew. My #1 genoas could be used 
off the wind in a lot more wind than would be good for the light cloth. My 
spinnaker is a light air sail for us while cruising. We don't have the manpower 
to handle a heavy air spinnaker run with just my wife and I to do all the work.

*do not show charter company video of their boat doing 15 knots. Just sayin'

Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Aug 19, 2014 10:32 AM, "Curtis via CnC-List" 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Can anybody give me the sailplan for my boat? What sail to use under what wind 
condition. What is the comfort rating, tern over ratio. I have no paper work 
with this boat that shows this information. It would be nice to have a printed 
version of this information.

example on sail -plan

The sail plan for a Lagoon 380 in sustained winds is as follows:

Force 5 winds (up to 22 knots): full sail, both main and jib.

Force 6 winds (22 to 26 knots): one reef in the main and full jib.

Force 7 winds (27 to 28 knots): one reef in the main and one reef in the jib.

Force 7 winds (29 to 33 knots): two reefs in both the main and the jib.

Force 8 winds (34 to 38 knots): two reefs in the main and three reefs in the 
jib.

Force 9 winds (39 to 44 knots): drop mainsail completely and three reefs in jib.

Above 44 knots, all sail is dropped and the mainsail bag and boom will be quite 
enough sail, thank you.
Thanks for your help...
--

Best regards,

Curtis McDaniel,

C&C 30-MK1 East Coast Lady

Port Royal,

South Carolina

cpt.b...@gmail.com<mailto:bobhick...@rogers.com>


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--

Best regards,

Curtis McDaniel,

C&C 30-MK1 East Coast Lady

Port Royal,

South Carolina

cpt.b...@gmail.com<mailto:bobhick...@rogers.com>


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Re: Stus-List C&C30MK1 sail plan

[Curtis via CnC-List]

Thanks Michael, This was a great help.


On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Curtis  wrote:

> Yeeea, Maybe I was not clear on my point.I am kinda just looking for
> written speck's on the boat. I wanted to have it in my book. I wanted the
> official C&C version. I would like to see how the numbers measure up other
> boats. Not looking for sailing advise. I know when to shake one out or the
> fly the kite. That's why I gave an example.
> Thank you for your help.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Good point Joe.  I did make the assumption that he was talking about a
>> monohull despite referencing a catamaran.
>>
>> Josh
>>
>> P.S. So the charter companies don't like seeing their boats sailed
>> properly?
>> On Aug 19, 2014 12:20 PM, "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  You are missing a vital point. Charter cats NEED a written sailplan.
>>> They have little to no steering feel and don't heel until it is too late.
>>> If you leave too much sail up they might just round up against full rudder,
>>> go really fast but ruin the sails*, break something, or perhaps capsize. It
>>> should be very obvious when a C&C needs some sail trim. If you need both
>>> hands on the wheel to steer and the rail is underwater that is a good hint.
>>> You also need to know the strength of the sails and the strength of the
>>> crew. My #1 genoas could be used off the wind in a lot more wind than would
>>> be good for the light cloth. My spinnaker is a light air sail for us while
>>> cruising. We don't have the manpower to handle a heavy air spinnaker run
>>> with just my wife and I to do all the work.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *do not show charter company video of their boat doing 15 knots. Just
>>> sayin'
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Joe Della Barba*
>>>
>>> Coquina
>>>
>>> C&C 35 MK I
>>>
>>> Josh Muckley
>>> S/V Sea Hawk
>>> 1989 C&C 37+
>>> Solomons, MD
>>>
>>> On Aug 19, 2014 10:32 AM, "Curtis via CnC-List" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Can anybody give me the sailplan for my boat? What sail to use under
>>> what wind condition. What is the comfort rating, tern over ratio. I have no
>>> paper work with this boat that shows this information. It would be nice to
>>> have a printed version of this information.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> example on sail -plan
>>>
>>> The sail plan for a Lagoon 380 in sustained winds is as follows:
>>>
>>> *Force 5 winds (up to 22 knots): full sail, both main and jib.*
>>>
>>> *Force 6 winds (22 to 26 knots): one reef in the main and full jib.*
>>>
>>> *Force 7 winds (27 to 28 knots): one reef in the main and one reef in
>>> the jib.*
>>>
>>> *Force 7 winds (29 to 33 knots): two reefs in both the main and the jib.*
>>>
>>> *Force 8 winds (34 to 38 knots): two reefs in the main and three reefs
>>> in the jib.*
>>>
>>> *Force 9 winds (39 to 44 knots): drop mainsail completely and three
>>> reefs in jib.*
>>>
>>> Above 44 knots, all sail is dropped and the mainsail bag and boom will
>>> be quite enough sail, thank you.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your help...
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *Best regards,*
>>>
>>> *Curtis McDaniel, *
>>>
>>> *C&C 30-MK1 East Coast Lady*
>>>
>>> *Port Royal,*
>>>
>>> *South Carolina*
>>>
>>> *cpt.b...@gmail.com *
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Re: Stus-List C&C30MK1 sail plan

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

Josh, 

The term sail plan should be a giveaway. properly speaking a sailplane is the 
diagram we have all downloaded fron the Photoalbum that gives I,J,P,AND E for 
our boats. What Curtis provided would be more properly termed a sail usage 
guide.

A cat won't point like one of our boats. Going to weather is more like sailing 
on a close reach. At 22 apparent, even an overloaded charter Lagoon 380 is 
probably doing hull speed and seeing true wind at about 15. 

The charter company wants you to reduce sail to keep from breaking stuff and to 
keep the sailing experience enjoyable for the tourists - after all someone has 
several hundred thou invested in the boat and wants you to have fun and come 
back again. And you will still be doing hull speed even with the reduced sail.

If you really want to "sail well" you would be on a monohull (and not one you 
get from a charter base) or something like a Gunboat cat.

Rick Brass



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> On Aug 19, 2014, at 12:48, Josh Muckley via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> P.S. So the charter companies don't like seeing their boats sailed properly?
> 
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Re: Stus-List C&C30MK1 sail plan

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

Curtis, I have the owners manual for Penniless and there is no mention of a 
'sail plan'. The pictures show what looks like a 140 or 150 and that is about 
it.

For your information, I use the 155 up to about 15 - 18 apparent, then drop to 
the 140. Unless I am racing, and then sometimes I'll reef and leave the 155 so 
I can go better downwind. This assumes no spinnaker. On the Chesapeake, I am 
not alone with only one reefing point. As you (I'm sure) have experienced, the 
rudder loses effectiveness when heeled with the rail under, so that is when I 
drop down to the 140. l have the original 'working jib' by Hood which is still 
in very good shape - hardly ever gets out of the bag, so I don't have much 
experience in that area.

Gary
  - Original Message - 
  From: Curtis via CnC-List 
  To: Josh Muckley ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 1:26 PM
  Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C30MK1 sail plan


  Yeeea, Maybe I was not clear on my point.I am kinda just looking for written 
speck's on the boat. I wanted to have it in my book. I wanted the official C&C 
version. I would like to see how the numbers measure up other boats. Not 
looking for sailing advise. I know when to shake one out or the fly the kite. 
That's why I gave an example.
  Thank you for your help. 









  On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Good point Joe.  I did make the assumption that he was talking about a 
monohull despite referencing a catamaran.

Josh

P.S. So the charter companies don't like seeing their boats sailed 
properly? 

On Aug 19, 2014 12:20 PM, "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" 
 wrote:

  You are missing a vital point. Charter cats NEED a written sailplan. They 
have little to no steering feel and don't heel until it is too late. If you 
leave too much sail up they might just round up against full rudder, go really 
fast but ruin the sails*, break something, or perhaps capsize. It should be 
very obvious when a C&C needs some sail trim. If you need both hands on the 
wheel to steer and the rail is underwater that is a good hint. You also need to 
know the strength of the sails and the strength of the crew. My #1 genoas could 
be used off the wind in a lot more wind than would be good for the light cloth. 
My spinnaker is a light air sail for us while cruising. We don't have the 
manpower to handle a heavy air spinnaker run with just my wife and I to do all 
the work. 



  *do not show charter company video of their boat doing 15 knots. Just 
sayin'



  Joe Della Barba

  Coquina

  C&C 35 MK I

  Josh Muckley
  S/V Sea Hawk
  1989 C&C 37+
  Solomons, MD

  On Aug 19, 2014 10:32 AM, "Curtis via CnC-List"  
wrote:

  Can anybody give me the sailplan for my boat? What sail to use under what 
wind condition. What is the comfort rating, tern over ratio. I have no paper 
work with this boat that shows this information. It would be nice to have a 
printed version of this information.



  example on sail -plan 

  The sail plan for a Lagoon 380 in sustained winds is as follows:

  Force 5 winds (up to 22 knots): full sail, both main and jib.

  Force 6 winds (22 to 26 knots): one reef in the main and full jib.

  Force 7 winds (27 to 28 knots): one reef in the main and one reef in the 
jib.

  Force 7 winds (29 to 33 knots): two reefs in both the main and the jib.

  Force 8 winds (34 to 38 knots): two reefs in the main and three reefs in 
the jib.

  Force 9 winds (39 to 44 knots): drop mainsail completely and three reefs 
in jib.

  Above 44 knots, all sail is dropped and the mainsail bag and boom will be 
quite enough sail, thank you.

  Thanks for your help...

  -- 

  Best regards,

  Curtis McDaniel, 

  C&C 30-MK1 East Coast Lady

  Port Royal,

  South Carolina

  cpt.b...@gmail.com



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Re: Stus-List C&C30MK1 sail plan

[Indigo via CnC-List]

Sailed a j133 back from Bermuda recently. Prominently taped to the inside of 
the companionway was a pretty neat diagram / graph. X axis was wind speed y 
axis was wind angle (forget if true or apparent). The rectangle was filled with 
multiple adjoining shapes each representing a particular head sail or 
spinnaker. I guess this made it very easy for the racing crew to determine when 
to change sail 



--
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Indigo C&C 35III
SOUTHPORT CT

> On Aug 19, 2014, at 13:36, "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" 
>  wrote:
> 
> You can find a sail plan as in the drawings and dimensions easy enough, but a 
> “this much sail in this much wind” written plan is something I never even 
> knew existed until I sailed a charter cat. We had an easier way anyway with 
> the big cat – just watch the rudder angle and reef anytime it got to 20 
> degrees.
>  
> Joe Della Barba
> Coquina
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Curtis via 
> CnC-List
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 1:27 PM
> To: Josh Muckley; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C30MK1 sail plan
>  
> Yeeea, Maybe I was not clear on my point.I am kinda just looking for written 
> speck's on the boat. I wanted to have it in my book. I wanted the official 
> C&C version. I would like to see how the numbers measure up other boats. Not 
> looking for sailing advise. I know when to shake one out or the fly the kite. 
> That's why I gave an example.
> Thank you for your help. 
>  
>  
>  
>  
> 
> On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> Good point Joe.  I did make the assumption that he was talking about a 
> monohull despite referencing a catamaran.
> 
> Josh
> 
> P.S. So the charter companies don't like seeing their boats sailed properly?
> 
> On Aug 19, 2014 12:20 PM, "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" 
>  wrote:
> You are missing a vital point. Charter cats NEED a written sailplan. They 
> have little to no steering feel and don’t heel until it is too late. If you 
> leave too much sail up they might just round up against full rudder, go 
> really fast but ruin the sails*, break something, or perhaps capsize. It 
> should be very obvious when a C&C needs some sail trim. If you need both 
> hands on the wheel to steer and the rail is underwater that is a good hint. 
> You also need to know the strength of the sails and the strength of the crew. 
> My #1 genoas could be used off the wind in a lot more wind than would be good 
> for the light cloth. My spinnaker is a light air sail for us while cruising. 
> We don’t have the manpower to handle a heavy air spinnaker run with just my 
> wife and I to do all the work.
>  
> *do not show charter company video of their boat doing 15 knots. Just sayin’
>  
> Joe Della Barba
> Coquina
> C&C 35 MK I
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> 
> On Aug 19, 2014 10:32 AM, "Curtis via CnC-List"  wrote:
> Can anybody give me the sailplan for my boat? What sail to use under what 
> wind condition. What is the comfort rating, tern over ratio. I have no paper 
> work with this boat that shows this information. It would be nice to have a 
> printed version of this information.
>  
> example on sail -plan 
> The sail plan for a Lagoon 380 in sustained winds is as follows:
> 
> Force 5 winds (up to 22 knots): full sail, both main and jib.
> 
> Force 6 winds (22 to 26 knots): one reef in the main and full jib.
> 
> Force 7 winds (27 to 28 knots): one reef in the main and one reef in the jib.
> 
> Force 7 winds (29 to 33 knots): two reefs in both the main and the jib.
> 
> Force 8 winds (34 to 38 knots): two reefs in the main and three reefs in the 
> jib.
> 
> Force 9 winds (39 to 44 knots): drop mainsail completely and three reefs in 
> jib.
> 
> Above 44 knots, all sail is dropped and the mainsail bag and boom will be 
> quite enough sail, thank you.
> 
> Thanks for your help...
> --
> Best regards,
> 
> Curtis McDaniel,
> 
> C&C 30-MK1 East Coast Lady
> 
> Port Royal,
> 
> South Carolina
> 
> cpt.b...@gmail.com
> 
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Re: Stus-List C&C30MK1 sail plan

[Antoine Rose via CnC-List]

Curtis,
I still have the original instruction manual for my C&C 30-1 (1973), and there 
is no such thing in the manual.
These sail reduction pattern were popular in the era of hank-on sails, when 
boats were carrying more than half a dozen sails to cover various wind 
conditions.
I guess such a sail reduction pattern could be constructed based on collective 
experience, taking into account the fact that most boats today carry roller 
furling sails.

Here is my own reduction pattern followed on the ocean with the following sail 
inventory: main with three reefs, reinforced furling genoa 135%, working jib 
65% permanently hanked-on on removable inner forestay, 20% storm jib stored in 
a bag secured on deck for easy access and, spinnaker. I also had in store a 
110% hank-on genoa which was never used but could have been if anything 
happened to the genoa.

Upwind
Up to Force 4 (16 knots true), full main and full genoa. Getting closer to 16 
knots, the genoa may get a few turns to the first dot (115%)
Up to Force 5 (22 knots true), Main one reef and genoa rolled to second dot 
(100%)
Up to force 6 (26 knots true  on average, meaning that occasional gusts near 26 
knots): Main two reefs and working jib 65%, much more efficient than rolled 
genoa.
Continuous wind 25 knots and above up to 35 knots, Main three reefs on lower 
end of spectrum, and Jib, Jib only in the upper range
Above 35 knots, up to 40 knots and above in gusts, main three reefs and storm 
jib
Above 45 knots, forget the idea of going upwind.

Downwind
Up to Force 4 (Main and spinnaker)
Force 5 main and full genoa
Force 6 (Main one reef and genoa getting partially rolled 120%)
Force 7 (Main two reefs and genoa rolled 110%)
Force 8 No main, and genoa less than 100%
Force 9 Genoa about 40%
Above storm jib for a while. Never did that, thankfully.

If I had to change anything in the setting, I would like very much a 100% blade 
jib with two reefs instead of the 65% working jib. Upwind, the genoa would get 
rolled after force 4 to raise the blade, heavier weather can be fun when you 
have the right sails for it.

Antoine (C&C 30 Cousin)



Le 2014-08-19 à 10:32, Curtis via CnC-List a écrit :

> Can anybody give me the sailplan for my boat? What sail to use under what 
> wind condition. What is the comfort rating, tern over ratio. I have no paper 
> work with this boat that shows this information. It would be nice to have a 
> printed version of this information.
> 
> example on sail -plan 
> The sail plan for a Lagoon 380 in sustained winds is as follows:
> 
> Force 5 winds (up to 22 knots): full sail, both main and jib.
> 
> Force 6 winds (22 to 26 knots): one reef in the main and full jib.
> 
> Force 7 winds (27 to 28 knots): one reef in the main and one reef in the jib.
> 
> Force 7 winds (29 to 33 knots): two reefs in both the main and the jib.
> 
> Force 8 winds (34 to 38 knots): two reefs in the main and three reefs in the 
> jib.
> 
> Force 9 winds (39 to 44 knots): drop mainsail completely and three reefs in 
> jib.
> 
> Above 44 knots, all sail is dropped and the mainsail bag and boom will be 
> quite enough sail, thank you.
> 
> Thanks for your help...
> -- 
> Best regards,
> 
> Curtis McDaniel, 
> 
> C&C 30-MK1 East Coast Lady
> 
> Port Royal,
> 
> South Carolina
> 
> 
> cpt.b...@gmail.com
> 
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Re: Stus-List C&C30MK1 sail plan

[Tim Goodyear via CnC-List]

Same on the Swan 42 I race on (put together by the sailmaker).  The focus there 
is on performance.

Tim

> On Aug 19, 2014, at 9:48 PM, Indigo via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Sailed a j133 back from Bermuda recently. Prominently taped to the inside of 
> the companionway was a pretty neat diagram / graph. X axis was wind speed y 
> axis was wind angle (forget if true or apparent). The rectangle was filled 
> with multiple adjoining shapes each representing a particular head sail or 
> spinnaker. I guess this made it very easy for the racing crew to determine 
> when to change sail 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Jonathan
> Indigo C&C 35III
> SOUTHPORT CT
> 
>> On Aug 19, 2014, at 13:36, "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> You can find a sail plan as in the drawings and dimensions easy enough, but 
>> a “this much sail in this much wind” written plan is something I never even 
>> knew existed until I sailed a charter cat. We had an easier way anyway with 
>> the big cat – just watch the rudder angle and reef anytime it got to 20 
>> degrees.
>>  
>> Joe Della Barba
>> Coquina
>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Curtis 
>> via CnC-List
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 1:27 PM
>> To: Josh Muckley; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C30MK1 sail plan
>>  
>> Yeeea, Maybe I was not clear on my point.I am kinda just looking for written 
>> speck's on the boat. I wanted to have it in my book. I wanted the official 
>> C&C version. I would like to see how the numbers measure up other boats. Not 
>> looking for sailing advise. I know when to shake one out or the fly the 
>> kite. That's why I gave an example.
>> Thank you for your help. 
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> Good point Joe.  I did make the assumption that he was talking about a 
>> monohull despite referencing a catamaran.
>> 
>> Josh
>> 
>> P.S. So the charter companies don't like seeing their boats sailed properly?
>> 
>> On Aug 19, 2014 12:20 PM, "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" 
>>  wrote:
>> You are missing a vital point. Charter cats NEED a written sailplan. They 
>> have little to no steering feel and don’t heel until it is too late. If you 
>> leave too much sail up they might just round up against full rudder, go 
>> really fast but ruin the sails*, break something, or perhaps capsize. It 
>> should be very obvious when a C&C needs some sail trim. If you need both 
>> hands on the wheel to steer and the rail is underwater that is a good hint. 
>> You also need to know the strength of the sails and the strength of the 
>> crew. My #1 genoas could be used off the wind in a lot more wind than would 
>> be good for the light cloth. My spinnaker is a light air sail for us while 
>> cruising. We don’t have the manpower to handle a heavy air spinnaker run 
>> with just my wife and I to do all the work.
>>  
>> *do not show charter company video of their boat doing 15 knots. Just sayin’
>>  
>> Joe Della Barba
>> Coquina
>> C&C 35 MK I
>> Josh Muckley
>> S/V Sea Hawk
>> 1989 C&C 37+
>> Solomons, MD
>> 
>> On Aug 19, 2014 10:32 AM, "Curtis via CnC-List"  
>> wrote:
>> Can anybody give me the sailplan for my boat? What sail to use under what 
>> wind condition. What is the comfort rating, tern over ratio. I have no paper 
>> work with this boat that shows this information. It would be nice to have a 
>> printed version of this information.
>>  
>> example on sail -plan 
>> The sail plan for a Lagoon 380 in sustained winds is as follows:
>> 
>> Force 5 winds (up to 22 knots): full sail, both main and jib.
>> 
>> Force 6 winds (22 to 26 knots): one reef in the main and full jib.
>> 
>> Force 7 winds (27 to 28 knots): one reef in the main and one reef in the jib.
>> 
>> Force 7 winds (29 to 33 knots): two reefs in both the main and the jib.
>> 
>> Force 8 winds (34 to 38 knots): two reefs in the main and three reefs in the 
>> jib.
>> 
>> Force 9 winds (39 to 44 knots): drop mainsail completely and three reefs in 
>> jib.
>> 
>> Above 44 knots, all sail is dropped and the mainsail bag and boom will be 
>> quite enough sail, thank you.
>> 
>> Thanks for your help...
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Curtis McDaniel,
>> 
>> C&C 30-MK1 East Coast Lady
>> 
>>

Re: Stus-List C&C30MK1 sail plan

[Curtis via CnC-List]

Thanks Antoine,
 Thanks for the help. I have a question for you. When you and I talked
before you told me you upgraded your standing rigging for off-shore
sailing, Well did you change your spreaders or do anything to sturdy them
up? Both of mine are pined on and will move around a little, like 1/2 to
3/4 of an inch front to back? Is this normal. I had an inspection done by a
rigger and he said my standing rigging looked great and maybe sometime ago
it may have been changed. no reason to worry about the rigging he said. The
port side I can see the chin
He said id not look to be 33 years old to him? I should only replace if its
bad right?
  Anyway back to the sails. I have never used a hank
on reef-able head sail. Should I use this as my working sail and reef in
heavy wind? or would you suggest replacing it with a storm jib? Keep in
mind I will be coastal cruising mostly, Maybe going to the Caribbean an the
Bahama's. If all goes well with the wife maybe other ports of call.

Part of the original question, I was looking for the comfort ratio for the
C&C30 mk1 as far as pitch yaw and roll, compared to other boats its size.
I also wanted to know how well it will do in the waves? How well it
drives threw. How well it recovers.
Did the Rose have a mertec 2 blade folding prop?

My Auxiliary power is a 2gm20F with 20 Gal fuel tank under the steering
helm.
18 Gals of water starboard side under the seat, 10 Gal under the v-birth
13 Gal holding tank.

My inventory looks like this.
1)  Standard working main. Full batten 3 reef points
2)  Racing main. Full batten 3 reef points
3) Asymmetrical cruising spin with sock
4) "Hank on" 110% Head sail with 2 reef points
5) "Hank on" 135%
6) "Hank on"  170%

I guess what I am getting at with all this; My wife have sailed the East
Coast Lady hard for 2 years now. She is a very fun boat. Her acceleration
when the wind picks up if fantastic. I can trim her out on a broad reach
and almost sail hands free. We just have not taken her out on the ocean. We
live some 10 miles from the ocean, Up the Port Royal sound in Beaufort SC.
We both are wondering if we should use this boat as a trainer before moving
to a larger, more ocean capable vessel?  As I said before most of it will
be coastal harbor hopping. With a few 1 to 2 night offshore trips here and
there.  Just trying to bounce the Idea of keeping this boat. She is such a
good boat.

Thanks again.


On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 5:58 AM, Tim Goodyear via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Same on the Swan 42 I race on (put together by the sailmaker).  The focus
> there is on performance.
>
> Tim
>
> On Aug 19, 2014, at 9:48 PM, Indigo via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> Sailed a j133 back from Bermuda recently. Prominently taped to the inside
> of the companionway was a pretty neat diagram / graph. X axis was wind
> speed y axis was wind angle (forget if true or apparent). The rectangle was
> filled with multiple adjoining shapes each representing a particular head
> sail or spinnaker. I guess this made it very easy for the racing crew to
> determine when to change sail
>
>
>
> --
> Jonathan
> Indigo C&C 35III
> SOUTHPORT CT
>
> On Aug 19, 2014, at 13:36, "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>  You can find a sail plan as in the drawings and dimensions easy enough,
> but a "this much sail in this much wind" written plan is something I never
> even knew existed until I sailed a charter cat. We had an easier way anyway
> with the big cat - just watch the rudder angle and reef anytime it got to
> 20 degrees.
>
>
>
> *Joe Della Barba*
>
> Coquina
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Curtis via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 19, 2014 1:27 PM
> *To:* Josh Muckley; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List C&C30MK1 sail plan
>
>
>
> Yeeea, Maybe I was not clear on my point.I am kinda just looking for
> written speck's on the boat. I wanted to have it in my book. I wanted the
> official C&C version. I would like to see how the numbers measure up other
> boats. Not looking for sailing advise. I know when to shake one out or the
> fly the kite. That's why I gave an example.
>
> Thank you for your help.
>
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> On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Good point Joe.  I did make the assumption that he was talking about a
> monohull despite referencing a catamaran.
>
> Josh
>
> P.S. So the charter companies don't like seeing their boats sailed
> properly?
>
> On Aug 19, 2014 12:20 PM, "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>

Re: Stus-List C&C30MK1 sail plan

[Antoine Rose via CnC-List]

 3/4 of an inch front 
> to back? Is this normal. I had an inspection done by a rigger and he said my 
> standing rigging looked great and maybe sometime ago it may have been 
> changed. no reason to worry about the rigging he said. The port side I can 
> see the chin
> He said id not look to be 33 years old to him? I should only replace if its 
> bad right? 
>   Anyway back to the sails. I have never used a hank on reef-able 
> head sail. Should I use this as my working sail and reef in heavy wind? or 
> would you suggest replacing it with a storm jib? Keep in mind I will be 
> coastal cruising mostly, Maybe going to the Caribbean an the Bahama's. If all 
> goes well with the wife maybe other ports of call.  
> 
> Part of the original question, I was looking for the comfort ratio for the 
> C&C30 mk1 as far as pitch yaw and roll, compared to other boats its size. 
> I also wanted to know how well it will do in the waves? How well it drives 
> threw. How well it recovers. 
> Did the Rose have a mertec 2 blade folding prop?  
> 
> My Auxiliary power is a 2gm20F with 20 Gal fuel tank under the steering helm.
> 18 Gals of water starboard side under the seat, 10 Gal under the v-birth
> 13 Gal holding tank.  
> 
> My inventory looks like this.
> 1)  Standard working main. Full batten 3 reef points
> 2)  Racing main. Full batten 3 reef points
> 3) Asymmetrical cruising spin with sock
> 4) "Hank on" 110% Head sail with 2 reef points
> 5) "Hank on" 135%
> 6) "Hank on"  170% 
> 
> I guess what I am getting at with all this; My wife have sailed the East 
> Coast Lady hard for 2 years now. She is a very fun boat. Her acceleration 
> when the wind picks up if fantastic. I can trim her out on a broad reach and 
> almost sail hands free. We just have not taken her out on the ocean. We live 
> some 10 miles from the ocean, Up the Port Royal sound in Beaufort SC. We both 
> are wondering if we should use this boat as a trainer before moving to a 
> larger, more ocean capable vessel?  As I said before most of it will be 
> coastal harbor hopping. With a few 1 to 2 night offshore trips here and 
> there.  Just trying to bounce the Idea of keeping this boat. She is such a 
> good boat.
> 
> Thanks again.
> 
> 
> On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 5:58 AM, Tim Goodyear via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> Same on the Swan 42 I race on (put together by the sailmaker).  The focus 
> there is on performance.
> 
> Tim
> 
> On Aug 19, 2014, at 9:48 PM, Indigo via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
>> Sailed a j133 back from Bermuda recently. Prominently taped to the inside of 
>> the companionway was a pretty neat diagram / graph. X axis was wind speed y 
>> axis was wind angle (forget if true or apparent). The rectangle was filled 
>> with multiple adjoining shapes each representing a particular head sail or 
>> spinnaker. I guess this made it very easy for the racing crew to determine 
>> when to change sail 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Jonathan
>> Indigo C&C 35III
>> SOUTHPORT CT
>> 
>> On Aug 19, 2014, at 13:36, "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> You can find a sail plan as in the drawings and dimensions easy enough, but 
>>> a “this much sail in this much wind” written plan is something I never even 
>>> knew existed until I sailed a charter cat. We had an easier way anyway with 
>>> the big cat – just watch the rudder angle and reef anytime it got to 20 
>>> degrees.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Joe Della Barba
>>> 
>>> Coquina
>>> 
>>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Curtis 
>>> via CnC-List
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 1:27 PM
>>> To: Josh Muckley; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>> Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C30MK1 sail plan
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Yeeea, Maybe I was not clear on my point.I am kinda just looking for 
>>> written speck's on the boat. I wanted to have it in my book. I wanted the 
>>> official C&C version. I would like to see how the numbers measure up other 
>>> boats. Not looking for sailing advise. I know when to shake one out or the 
>>> fly the kite. That's why I gave an example.
>>> 
>>> Thank you for your help. 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good point Joe.  I did make the assumption that he was talking about a 
>>>