Re: MDK 9.1 vmlinux2.4.20 & ext3
On Friday 07 February 2003 02:27 pm, Stew Benedict wrote: > > Any module need to access "/" needs to be loaded by an initrd. Folks > using bootX to load linux have this extra grief to deal with. Since you > are using ext3 on "/" and it's modular, you need the initrd I created in > the BootX folder to be able to access and mount that partition as ext3. > Same would apply for scsi or other journalled filesystems. For the final, > I'll try to have initrd's for all the journalled filesystems in that > folder. Yes and I know but some of us can simply not afford to have a mac that is new and shiny but yet we still like the little buggers. Untill the prices of the used hardware fall inline to what it is really worth I dare say I wont be owning a new world mac for quite a long time. Anyway Stew thanks for your help with this stuff since I know the old world macs are not officially supported anyway. > > > Stew Benedict -- -~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~- Brook Humphrey Mobile PC Medic, 420 1st, Cheney, WA 99004, 509-235-9107 http://www.webmedic.net, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Holiness unto the Lord -~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-
Re: MDK 9.1 vmlinux2.4.20 & ext3
On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, Daniel R. Broemmelsiek wrote: > On Friday 07 February 2003 04:24 pm, Stew Benedict wrote: > > On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, Daniel R. Broemmelsiek wrote: > > > The kernel keeps mounting my ext3 file system as an ext2 file system on > > > this Wallstreet. Why? Is there a particular kernel argument to pass > > > from BootX? > > > > > > Dan > > > > Did you use the ext3 initrd? (BootX folder) > > > > Stew Benedict > > When? To run the installer I had to use vmlinux and all.gz during which I > just used existing partitions. Any other combination I tried went into > kernel panic. Install went fine so at reboot I point BootX to the > vmlinuz-2.4.20-2mdk kernel and my partition /dev/hda10 because that's where > it's going to find the loadable modules in /lib/modules/2.4.20-2mdk/. So I'm > curious, when and where does the kernel want to see > initrd-2.4.20-2mdk.img-ext3? > > By the way, kmail composer is doing funky black screen flashes while I'm > writing this. The first annoying thing I've found. > Any module need to access "/" needs to be loaded by an initrd. Folks using bootX to load linux have this extra grief to deal with. Since you are using ext3 on "/" and it's modular, you need the initrd I created in the BootX folder to be able to access and mount that partition as ext3. Same would apply for scsi or other journalled filesystems. For the final, I'll try to have initrd's for all the journalled filesystems in that folder. Stew Benedict -- MandrakeSoft PPC FAQ: http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/ppcFAQ.php3 IRC: irc.freenode.net #cooker-ppc Archives: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mandrake-cooker-ppc&r=1&w=2
Re: MDK 9.1 vmlinux2.4.20 & ext3
On Friday 07 February 2003 04:24 pm, Stew Benedict wrote: > On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, Daniel R. Broemmelsiek wrote: > > The kernel keeps mounting my ext3 file system as an ext2 file system on > > this Wallstreet. Why? Is there a particular kernel argument to pass > > from BootX? > > > > Dan > > Did you use the ext3 initrd? (BootX folder) > > Stew Benedict When? To run the installer I had to use vmlinux and all.gz during which I just used existing partitions. Any other combination I tried went into kernel panic. Install went fine so at reboot I point BootX to the vmlinuz-2.4.20-2mdk kernel and my partition /dev/hda10 because that's where it's going to find the loadable modules in /lib/modules/2.4.20-2mdk/. So I'm curious, when and where does the kernel want to see initrd-2.4.20-2mdk.img-ext3? By the way, kmail composer is doing funky black screen flashes while I'm writing this. The first annoying thing I've found. Dan
Re: MDK 9.1 vmlinux2.4.20 & ext3
On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, Daniel R. Broemmelsiek wrote: > The kernel keeps mounting my ext3 file system as an ext2 file system on this > Wallstreet. Why? Is there a particular kernel argument to pass from BootX? > > Dan > Did you use the ext3 initrd? (BootX folder) Stew Benedict -- MandrakeSoft PPC FAQ: http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/ppcFAQ.php3 IRC: irc.freenode.net #cooker-ppc Archives: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mandrake-cooker-ppc&r=1&w=2
MDK 9.1 vmlinux2.4.20 & ext3
The kernel keeps mounting my ext3 file system as an ext2 file system on this Wallstreet. Why? Is there a particular kernel argument to pass from BootX? Dan
Re: ext3
Anne et Bertrand is correct. If you're just using ext3, it won't be a big deal, since ext3 is just ext2 with a journaling bit turned on. BootX can still read the root partition since it will look just like ext2. It is a problem, however, for the other journaling fs's (Reiser, XFS), BootX will have problems with those. I just upgraded my oldworld machine from ext2 to ext3 partitions pretty easily. Here's how: 1) Download/install the latest 2.4.18 kernel (the one on mdk 8.2b2 is good) 2) Download/install e2fsprogs and libext2fs2 RPM's from 8.2beta2 3) Run 'tune2fs -j /dev/' for each ext2 partition you have. This creates the journaling file. 4) Edit /etc/fstab and change each 'ext2' to 'ext3' 4) Do a shutdown -F -r to reboot and force an fsck. You should now have a lovely journaled fs, which for all practical intents and purposes is just ext2 wearing heavy makeup. BootX will still recognize the old girl underneath :-) Peter -- Peter R. Wood - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://prwdot.org/
Re: ext3
Le 2002.04.14 14:24, Stew Benedict a écrit : > > On Sun, 14 Apr 2002, Anne et Bertrand wrote: > > > Le 2002.04.12 21:12, Stew Benedict a écrit : > > > On Fri, 12 Apr 2002, Kener, Andy wrote: > > > > > > > Is there support in the default 2.4 kernel included in 8.2rc2 for > ext3 > > > > filesystems? if no one knows, how do i check? > > > > > > > > > > ext3, reiser, jfs and xfs > > > > > > You just need to be careful on Oldworld if you setup "/" as > journalled. > > > > > > Stew Benedict > > > > > > -- > > > MandrakeSoft > > > PPC FAQ: http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/demos/PPC/FAQ/ > > > > > > > > > Why ? > > > > The installer creates the necassary initrd and leaves in /boot, but you > generally boot from BootX on the MacOS side. The initrd on the CD only > contains modules for access to common OldWorld SCSI devices, not the > journalled filesystems, so you'll experience a panic at boot when the > kernel can't mount root. > > So unless you're equipped to be able to retrieve the initrd from the > Linux > side and move it over to MacOS (HFS transfer partition or network?), > you'll have a bit of a problem. > > Stew Benedict > > -- > MandrakeSoft > PPC FAQ: http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/demos/PPC/FAQ/ > OK, thanks, but it doesn't occur with ext3, because an ext3 volume is ext2 mountable, isn't it ? Bertrand Dekoninck.
Re: ext3
On Sun, 14 Apr 2002, Anne et Bertrand wrote: > Le 2002.04.12 21:12, Stew Benedict a écrit : > > On Fri, 12 Apr 2002, Kener, Andy wrote: > > > > > Is there support in the default 2.4 kernel included in 8.2rc2 for ext3 > > > filesystems? if no one knows, how do i check? > > > > > > > ext3, reiser, jfs and xfs > > > > You just need to be careful on Oldworld if you setup "/" as journalled. > > > > Stew Benedict > > > > -- > > MandrakeSoft > > PPC FAQ: http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/demos/PPC/FAQ/ > > > > > Why ? > The installer creates the necassary initrd and leaves in /boot, but you generally boot from BootX on the MacOS side. The initrd on the CD only contains modules for access to common OldWorld SCSI devices, not the journalled filesystems, so you'll experience a panic at boot when the kernel can't mount root. So unless you're equipped to be able to retrieve the initrd from the Linux side and move it over to MacOS (HFS transfer partition or network?), you'll have a bit of a problem. Stew Benedict -- MandrakeSoft PPC FAQ: http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/demos/PPC/FAQ/
Re: ext3
Le 2002.04.12 21:12, Stew Benedict a écrit : > On Fri, 12 Apr 2002, Kener, Andy wrote: > > > Is there support in the default 2.4 kernel included in 8.2rc2 for ext3 > > filesystems? if no one knows, how do i check? > > > > ext3, reiser, jfs and xfs > > You just need to be careful on Oldworld if you setup "/" as journalled. > > Stew Benedict > > -- > MandrakeSoft > PPC FAQ: http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/demos/PPC/FAQ/ > Why ? Bertrand Dekoninck
Re: ext3
On Fri, 12 Apr 2002, Kener, Andy wrote: > Is there support in the default 2.4 kernel included in 8.2rc2 for ext3 > filesystems? if no one knows, how do i check? > ext3, reiser, jfs and xfs You just need to be careful on Oldworld if you setup "/" as journalled. Stew Benedict -- MandrakeSoft PPC FAQ: http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/demos/PPC/FAQ/
Re: ext3
Yes, it's there. Peter - Original Message - From: "Kener, Andy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Cooker PPC List (E-mail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 2:17 PM Subject: ext3 > Is there support in the default 2.4 kernel included in 8.2rc2 for ext3 > filesystems? if no one knows, how do i check? > > thanks > > andy > > -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- > Version: 3.1 > GCS/O d-@ s: a? C UL++>$ P+ L+++ E(--) W+++ N++ > 0? K++ w--(---) O-- M? V? PS+++(--)@ PE Y+ PGP-@ t+@ 5? > X+ R>+ tv+ b+++ DI D++ G>++ e>++ h- r !y+ > --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- > >
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RE: ReiserFS/ext3 for PPC Mandrake?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thanks - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Henrik Edlund Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 2:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ReiserFS/ext3 for PPC Mandrake? On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Jonathan Sailor wrote: JS> What exactly are ext3 and ResierFS anyways? ext3 is a file system that builds on the long stability of the ext2 file system which is what most Linux distributions used, and still use, up until ReiserFS came along. ext2 is an improved version of the original ext file system from the early Linux days. ext2 has been stable at least since 1995. ext3 just add journaling to the ext2 file system and makes it possible to later reverse to plain old ext2 without journaling. ReiserFS is a totally written from scratch file system by Hans Reiser. It was the first journaling file system for Linux. Other new journaling file systems for Linux include JFS from IBM, and XFS from Silicon Graphics. If you need to know what a journaling file system is I suggest Google as I don't want to go further into details here. - -- Henrik Edlund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.edlund.org/ "You're young, you're drunk, you're in bed, you have knives; shit happens." -- Angelina Jolie -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use <http://www.pgp.com> iQA/AwUBO5+0n90IbHN+6I/YEQJeiwCfT1/Xx2p9u9YalIalm4NQDDbSzE8AoNZn LSzPqH8jVfWYr1/2dDY4pbZu =8v+3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: ReiserFS/ext3 for PPC Mandrake?
On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Jonathan Sailor wrote: JS> What exactly are ext3 and ResierFS anyways? ext3 is a file system that builds on the long stability of the ext2 file system which is what most Linux distributions used, and still use, up until ReiserFS came along. ext2 is an improved version of the original ext file system from the early Linux days. ext2 has been stable at least since 1995. ext3 just add journaling to the ext2 file system and makes it possible to later reverse to plain old ext2 without journaling. ReiserFS is a totally written from scratch file system by Hans Reiser. It was the first journaling file system for Linux. Other new journaling file systems for Linux include JFS from IBM, and XFS from Silicon Graphics. If you need to know what a journaling file system is I suggest Google as I don't want to go further into details here. -- Henrik Edlund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.edlund.org/ "You're young, you're drunk, you're in bed, you have knives; shit happens." -- Angelina Jolie
RE: ReiserFS/ext3 for PPC Mandrake?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 What exactly are ext3 and ResierFS anyways? - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Henrik Edlund Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 7:54 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ReiserFS/ext3 for PPC Mandrake? On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Stew Benedict wrote: SB> The installer prepares an initrd if it's needed (ie SCSI drive). In the SB> case of Reiser, as I said, it's untested on PPC, so I'm not sure what SB> will happen. SB> SB> Just as an aside, unless the endian safe Reiser stuff has made it into SB> official kernel tree, each time the kernel is updated, PPC Reiser gets SB> broken and has to be reworked. So if you want Reiser and the latest SB> bleeding edge kernel, be prepared to rework patches. This seems like I want to install ext2 instead and wait for ext3 in Mandrake 8.1. Migration back and forth between ext2 and ext3 is far easier. - -- Henrik Edlund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.edlund.org/ "You're young, you're drunk, you're in bed, you have knives; shit happens." -- Angelina Jolie -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use <http://www.pgp.com> iQA/AwUBO5+rSN0IbHN+6I/YEQKCxwCfRINLlAmQL/IyM6t+sRq1pjbYYowAoMtS lo6lezT0zeJpTFb3AwF8ii3F =o63G -END PGP SIGNATURE- _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: ReiserFS/ext3 for PPC Mandrake?
On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Stew Benedict wrote: SB> The installer prepares an initrd if it's needed (ie SCSI drive). In the SB> case of Reiser, as I said, it's untested on PPC, so I'm not sure what SB> will happen. SB> SB> Just as an aside, unless the endian safe Reiser stuff has made it into SB> official kernel tree, each time the kernel is updated, PPC Reiser gets SB> broken and has to be reworked. So if you want Reiser and the latest SB> bleeding edge kernel, be prepared to rework patches. This seems like I want to install ext2 instead and wait for ext3 in Mandrake 8.1. Migration back and forth between ext2 and ext3 is far easier. -- Henrik Edlund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.edlund.org/ "You're young, you're drunk, you're in bed, you have knives; shit happens." -- Angelina Jolie
Re: ReiserFS/ext3 for PPC Mandrake?
On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Henrik Edlund wrote: > On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Stew Benedict wrote: > > SB> You create it - put it in /boot and add an entry in /etc/yaboot.conf: > SB> > SB> image=hd:11,/boot/vmlinuz-2.2 > SB> label=linux-2.2 > SB> root=/dev/hda11 > SB> initrd=hd:11,/boot/initrd-2.2.img > SB> read-only > SB> > SB> The run ybin to update the bootstrap. You may already have one like the > SB> one illustrated. > SB> > SB> That's it. > > How does this work out with the installation? Sorry for these basic > questions, but I am not all at experienced with ramdisks. > The installer prepares an initrd if it's needed (ie SCSI drive). In the case of Reiser, as I said, it's untested on PPC, so I'm not sure what will happen. Just as an aside, unless the endian safe Reiser stuff has made it into official kernel tree, each time the kernel is updated, PPC Reiser gets broken and has to be reworked. So if you want Reiser and the latest bleeding edge kernel, be prepared to rework patches. Stew Benedict -- MandrakeSoftOH/TN, USA http://perso.mandrakesoft.com/~sbenedict/ PPC Faq: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mandrake-cooker-ppc&m=99441208917647&w=
Re: ReiserFS/ext3 for PPC Mandrake?
On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 04:42:48PM -0400, Jonathan Sailor wrote: > Weird My Titanium came from Taiwan, made a stop in Alaska to clear customers and then was delivered to me. -- Ben Reser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://ben.reser.org Just when you think you're not in Kansas anymore, turns out you are! - Colonel Jack O'Neill SG1
Re: ReiserFS/ext3 for PPC Mandrake?
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Stew Benedict wrote: SB> You create it - put it in /boot and add an entry in /etc/yaboot.conf: SB> SB> image=hd:11,/boot/vmlinuz-2.2 SB> label=linux-2.2 SB> root=/dev/hda11 SB> initrd=hd:11,/boot/initrd-2.2.img SB> read-only SB> SB> The run ybin to update the bootstrap. You may already have one like the SB> one illustrated. SB> SB> That's it. How does this work out with the installation? Sorry for these basic questions, but I am not all at experienced with ramdisks. -- Henrik Edlund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.edlund.org/ "You're young, you're drunk, you're in bed, you have knives; shit happens." -- Angelina Jolie
RE: ReiserFS/ext3 for PPC Mandrake?
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Jonathan Sailor wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > If yaboot didn't support ResierFS, then you would need an ext2 > partition for the kernel, a root, and a HFS bootstrap, at minimum so > why not just make one for booting? > At worst you need ext2 for /boot, and an initrd, same as if you were using a SCSI drive, or any other device you need early in the boot process that's setup as a module. These could be on an hfs partition, but hfs has no concept of unix file permissions, or symbolic links, etc, and I think you would be asking for trouble. The ReiserFS stuff at penguinppc.org seems to be gone. It may well be that you can boot Reiser with yaboot. In my tests I only setup /home. Stew Benedict -- MandrakeSoftOH/TN, USA http://perso.mandrakesoft.com/~sbenedict/ PPC Faq: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mandrake-cooker-ppc&m=99441208917647&w=
Re: ReiserFS/ext3 for PPC Mandrake?
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Henrik Edlund wrote: > On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Stew Benedict wrote: > > SB> In that scenario, you may still need them, as the modules reside > SB> on /lib and you'll need them to mount "/". To assure they(it) is > SB> included in the initrd image, use the "--with=" option: > SB> > SB> [root@imac root]# /sbin/mkinitrd --with=reiserfs myimage.img > SB> 2.4.4-6.2mdk > > I have never had to use ramdisks during my 9 years of Linux so can you > explain exactly where and when I do that? > You create it - put it in /boot and add an entry in /etc/yaboot.conf: image=hd:11,/boot/vmlinuz-2.2 label=linux-2.2 root=/dev/hda11 initrd=hd:11,/boot/initrd-2.2.img read-only The run ybin to update the bootstrap. You may already have one like the one illustrated. That's it. Stew Benedict -- MandrakeSoftOH/TN, USA http://perso.mandrakesoft.com/~sbenedict/ PPC Faq: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mandrake-cooker-ppc&m=99441208917647&w=
Re: ReiserFS/ext3 for PPC Mandrake?
Ok, because mine stopped by Apple's office (Eire too I guess :) Sylvain OBEGI Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 661913 - Original Message - From: "Henrik Edlund" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:54 PM Subject: Re: ReiserFS/ext3 for PPC Mandrake? > On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Sylvain OBEGI wrote: > > SO> It also seems that before being delivered, they stop by Apple's office. > > Not according to the person I talked to. If you had add-ons, like > printers, they stop by Eire (here in Europe) so be repackaged with > add-ons. but not otherwise. > > -- > Henrik Edlund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > http://www.edlund.org/ > > "You're young, you're drunk, you're in bed, you have knives; shit > happens." -- Angelina Jolie > > >
Re: ReiserFS/ext3 for PPC Mandrake?
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Stew Benedict wrote: SB> In that scenario, you may still need them, as the modules reside SB> on /lib and you'll need them to mount "/". To assure they(it) is SB> included in the initrd image, use the "--with=" option: SB> SB> [root@imac root]# /sbin/mkinitrd --with=reiserfs myimage.img SB> 2.4.4-6.2mdk I have never had to use ramdisks during my 9 years of Linux so can you explain exactly where and when I do that? -- Henrik Edlund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.edlund.org/ "You're young, you're drunk, you're in bed, you have knives; shit happens." -- Angelina Jolie
Re: ReiserFS/ext3 for PPC Mandrake?
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Sylvain OBEGI wrote: SO> It also seems that before being delivered, they stop by Apple's office. Not according to the person I talked to. If you had add-ons, like printers, they stop by Eire (here in Europe) so be repackaged with add-ons. but not otherwise. -- Henrik Edlund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.edlund.org/ "You're young, you're drunk, you're in bed, you have knives; shit happens." -- Angelina Jolie
RE: ReiserFS/ext3 for PPC Mandrake?
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Jonathan Sailor wrote: JS> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- JS> Hash: SHA1 JS> JS> Weird There is probably considerly economic benefits of building the computers where the components are made and then shipping them directly from the factory. -- Henrik Edlund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.edlund.org/ "You're young, you're drunk, you're in bed, you have knives; shit happens." -- Angelina Jolie
RE: ReiserFS/ext3 for PPC Mandrake?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 If yaboot didn't support ResierFS, then you would need an ext2 partition for the kernel, a root, and a HFS bootstrap, at minimum so why not just make one for booting? - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Stew Benedict Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 4:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ReiserFS/ext3 for PPC Mandrake? On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Henrik Edlund wrote: > On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Jonathan Sailor wrote: > > JS> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > JS> Hash: SHA1 > JS> > JS> I might suggest making an ext2 partition for /boot just to make > JS> yaboot happy. Or since yaboot needs an HFS partition, you might > just JS> want one HFS partition for yaboot and /boot. > > Can I, or should I, have /boot as an HFS partition? How does that > work? (I am pretty new to running Linux on Mac hardware, but have > experience since 1993 on x86. I just did the huge decision to move > from the x86 entirely to the PPC architecture.) > You can, and I believe LinuxPPC does this, but I don't see the benefit. We mix MacOS and Linux as little as possible. The bootstrap is a necessary evil, but the rest of the OS resides on the Linux side. Back when BootX was the norm, there was a benefit to being able to move kernels etc. back and forth between MacOS and Linux, but it's really not needed now, on NewWorld machines. I have also operated with a larger bootstrap and put the kernel there, but what do you really gain? If the filesystem is trashed enough to lose the kernel, you're not going to get very far anyway, and you may as well resort to using the install CD in rescue mode to pick up the pieces. Stew Benedict - -- MandrakeSoftOH/TN, USA http://perso.mandrakesoft.com/~sbenedict/ PPC Faq: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mandrake-cooker-ppc&m=99441208917647&w = -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use <http://www.pgp.com> iQA/AwUBO556dd0IbHN+6I/YEQIc6ACfSlbonc0n4A1vUTlOPus8bzFbVJ4Aniyj Lo5a5ySZd3XXNzzR3VzQIkJ6 =PfjS -END PGP SIGNATURE- _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: ReiserFS/ext3 for PPC Mandrake?
It also seems that before being delivered, they stop by Apple's office. Sylvain OBEGI Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 661913 - Original Message - From: "Jonathan Sailor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:42 PM Subject: RE: ReiserFS/ext3 for PPC Mandrake? > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Weird > > - -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Henrik > Edlund > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 4:23 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: ReiserFS/ext3 for PPC Mandrake? > > > On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Jonathan Sailor wrote: > > JS> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > JS> Hash: SHA1 > JS> > JS> - From Taiwan? > > They are being built in Taiwan according to the person I spoke to at > Apple. When they are built they are shipped to the buyer. Build time > (queue time I would say) is 9 days currently. > > - -- > Henrik Edlund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > http://www.edlund.org/ > > "You're young, you're drunk, you're in bed, you have knives; shit > happens." -- Angelina Jolie > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use <http://www.pgp.com> > > iQA/AwUBO553R90IbHN+6I/YEQJ8OACg5ZgGGI+caCN9FK4AWdOwI2Ja03YAoPyg > B5TmDC9LFdaghBwD8JPiQq4n > =qCVc > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > > _ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > >
RE: ReiserFS/ext3 for PPC Mandrake?
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Henrik Edlund wrote: > On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Jonathan Sailor wrote: > > JS> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > JS> Hash: SHA1 > JS> > JS> I might suggest making an ext2 partition for /boot just to make > JS> yaboot happy. Or since yaboot needs an HFS partition, you might just > JS> want one HFS partition for yaboot and /boot. > > Can I, or should I, have /boot as an HFS partition? How does that work? (I > am pretty new to running Linux on Mac hardware, but have experience since > 1993 on x86. I just did the huge decision to move from the x86 entirely to > the PPC architecture.) > You can, and I believe LinuxPPC does this, but I don't see the benefit. We mix MacOS and Linux as little as possible. The bootstrap is a necessary evil, but the rest of the OS resides on the Linux side. Back when BootX was the norm, there was a benefit to being able to move kernels etc. back and forth between MacOS and Linux, but it's really not needed now, on NewWorld machines. I have also operated with a larger bootstrap and put the kernel there, but what do you really gain? If the filesystem is trashed enough to lose the kernel, you're not going to get very far anyway, and you may as well resort to using the install CD in rescue mode to pick up the pieces. Stew Benedict -- MandrakeSoftOH/TN, USA http://perso.mandrakesoft.com/~sbenedict/ PPC Faq: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mandrake-cooker-ppc&m=99441208917647&w=
Re: ReiserFS/ext3 for PPC Mandrake?
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Henrik Edlund wrote: > On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Stew Benedict wrote: > > SB> I have not tried it, so I can't really recommend a procedure. Nor did I > SB> try anything with Reiser and the installer. Obviously Reiser code is in > SB> the installer as it is the same one used for Intel, but at the time I was > SB> more concerned with getting proper partition, ext2, and bootstrap setup > SB> going. > SB> > SB> I don't know if yaboot would have any issue or not. You would need the > SB> reiser modules in your initrd for sure. > SB> > SB> If you do decide to experiment, I'd like to hear your results. > > I would of course keep /boot as ext2 as it is a waste to have reiser > there. Do I still need the reiser modules in my initrd then? If so, how do > I do? I am willing to "experiment", as soon as my new iBook2 arrives from > Taiwan. > In that scenario, you may still need them, as the modules reside on /lib and you'll need them to mount "/". To assure they(it) is included in the initrd image, use the "--with=" option: [root@imac root]# /sbin/mkinitrd --with=reiserfs myimage.img 2.4.4-6.2mdk HTH, Stew Benedict -- MandrakeSoftOH/TN, USA http://perso.mandrakesoft.com/~sbenedict/ PPC Faq: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mandrake-cooker-ppc&m=99441208917647&w=
RE: ReiserFS/ext3 for PPC Mandrake?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Weird - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Henrik Edlund Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 4:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ReiserFS/ext3 for PPC Mandrake? On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Jonathan Sailor wrote: JS> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- JS> Hash: SHA1 JS> JS> - From Taiwan? They are being built in Taiwan according to the person I spoke to at Apple. When they are built they are shipped to the buyer. Build time (queue time I would say) is 9 days currently. - -- Henrik Edlund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.edlund.org/ "You're young, you're drunk, you're in bed, you have knives; shit happens." -- Angelina Jolie -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use <http://www.pgp.com> iQA/AwUBO553R90IbHN+6I/YEQJ8OACg5ZgGGI+caCN9FK4AWdOwI2Ja03YAoPyg B5TmDC9LFdaghBwD8JPiQq4n =qCVc -END PGP SIGNATURE- _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: ReiserFS/ext3 for PPC Mandrake?
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Jonathan Sailor wrote: JS> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- JS> Hash: SHA1 JS> JS> - From Taiwan? They are being built in Taiwan according to the person I spoke to at Apple. When they are built they are shipped to the buyer. Build time (queue time I would say) is 9 days currently. -- Henrik Edlund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.edlund.org/ "You're young, you're drunk, you're in bed, you have knives; shit happens." -- Angelina Jolie
RE: ReiserFS/ext3 for PPC Mandrake?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 - From Taiwan? - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Henrik Edlund Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 3:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ReiserFS/ext3 for PPC Mandrake? On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Stew Benedict wrote: SB> I have not tried it, so I can't really recommend a procedure. Nor did I SB> try anything with Reiser and the installer. Obviously Reiser code is in SB> the installer as it is the same one used for Intel, but at the time I was SB> more concerned with getting proper partition, ext2, and bootstrap setup SB> going. SB> SB> I don't know if yaboot would have any issue or not. You would need the SB> reiser modules in your initrd for sure. SB> SB> If you do decide to experiment, I'd like to hear your results. I would of course keep /boot as ext2 as it is a waste to have reiser there. Do I still need the reiser modules in my initrd then? If so, how do I do? I am willing to "experiment", as soon as my new iBook2 arrives from Taiwan. - -- Henrik Edlund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.edlund.org/ "You're young, you're drunk, you're in bed, you have knives; shit happens." -- Angelina Jolie -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use <http://www.pgp.com> iQA/AwUBO55uZN0IbHN+6I/YEQKzJwCgv6cwZhb37v8AcqgvAY2FI73lFYAAn2Kq X7poWWEGw0Ftld+s0rKXhbI5 =6TLy -END PGP SIGNATURE- _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: ReiserFS/ext3 for PPC Mandrake?
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Jonathan Sailor wrote: JS> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- JS> Hash: SHA1 JS> JS> I might suggest making an ext2 partition for /boot just to make JS> yaboot happy. Or since yaboot needs an HFS partition, you might just JS> want one HFS partition for yaboot and /boot. Can I, or should I, have /boot as an HFS partition? How does that work? (I am pretty new to running Linux on Mac hardware, but have experience since 1993 on x86. I just did the huge decision to move from the x86 entirely to the PPC architecture.) -- Henrik Edlund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.edlund.org/ "You're young, you're drunk, you're in bed, you have knives; shit happens." -- Angelina Jolie
Re: ReiserFS/ext3 for PPC Mandrake?
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Stew Benedict wrote: SB> I have not tried it, so I can't really recommend a procedure. Nor did I SB> try anything with Reiser and the installer. Obviously Reiser code is in SB> the installer as it is the same one used for Intel, but at the time I was SB> more concerned with getting proper partition, ext2, and bootstrap setup SB> going. SB> SB> I don't know if yaboot would have any issue or not. You would need the SB> reiser modules in your initrd for sure. SB> SB> If you do decide to experiment, I'd like to hear your results. I would of course keep /boot as ext2 as it is a waste to have reiser there. Do I still need the reiser modules in my initrd then? If so, how do I do? I am willing to "experiment", as soon as my new iBook2 arrives from Taiwan. -- Henrik Edlund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.edlund.org/ "You're young, you're drunk, you're in bed, you have knives; shit happens." -- Angelina Jolie
RE: ReiserFS/ext3 for PPC Mandrake?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I might suggest making an ext2 partition for /boot just to make yaboot happy. Or since yaboot needs an HFS partition, you might just want one HFS partition for yaboot and /boot. - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Stew Benedict Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ReiserFS/ext3 for PPC Mandrake? On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Henrik Edlund wrote: > On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Stew Benedict wrote: > > SB> > SB> On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Ryan C. Gordon wrote: > SB> > SB> > > SB> > Are ReiserFS and/or ext3 stable for PPC? If so, has anyone > got SB> > recommendations for the best way to get them installed on > Mandrake/PPC? I SB> > just kicked the plug out of my iMac, and had > to suffer the wait through a SB> > fsck. :) > SB> > > SB> > SB> ReiserFS endian-safe patches are in place. I did a bit of > testing a while SB> back and found no issues with it. The > installer is not setup to propose SB> Reiser at the moment on PPC. > In my testing, I made a spare partition SB> Reiser, then > transferred my data, using the reiser tools, edited fstab and SB> > proceeded to use the new partitions. I did not try to use Reiser > on "/". SB> > SB> ext3 is an unknown to me on PPC at this time > > What is the procedure then if I want to run Reiser on all my > partitions? Should I boot from the CD and makefs the partitions > before I start the install program? Will the instlal program honor > already "formatted" drives? > I have not tried it, so I can't really recommend a procedure. Nor did I try anything with Reiser and the installer. Obviously Reiser code is in the installer as it is the same one used for Intel, but at the time I was more concerned with getting proper partition, ext2, and bootstrap setup going. I don't know if yaboot would have any issue or not. You would need the reiser modules in your initrd for sure. If you do decide to experiment, I'd like to hear your results. Stew Benedict - -- MandrakeSoftOH/TN, USA http://perso.mandrakesoft.com/~sbenedict/ PPC Faq: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mandrake-cooker-ppc&m=99441208917647&w = -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use <http://www.pgp.com> iQA/AwUBO55olN0IbHN+6I/YEQJe/gCgtxs4ez1jQbkUIv1PZp+4X4u0UFcAoI9Z Ysz/H6qABhwFU5Vp88iusR1o =mJX4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: ReiserFS/ext3 for PPC Mandrake?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 It should. - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Henrik Edlund Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:47 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ReiserFS/ext3 for PPC Mandrake? On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Stew Benedict wrote: SB> SB> On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Ryan C. Gordon wrote: SB> SB> > SB> > Are ReiserFS and/or ext3 stable for PPC? If so, has anyone got SB> > recommendations for the best way to get them installed on Mandrake/PPC? I SB> > just kicked the plug out of my iMac, and had to suffer the wait through a SB> > fsck. :) SB> > SB> SB> ReiserFS endian-safe patches are in place. I did a bit of testing a while SB> back and found no issues with it. The installer is not setup to propose SB> Reiser at the moment on PPC. In my testing, I made a spare partition SB> Reiser, then transferred my data, using the reiser tools, edited fstab and SB> proceeded to use the new partitions. I did not try to use Reiser on "/". SB> SB> ext3 is an unknown to me on PPC at this time What is the procedure then if I want to run Reiser on all my partitions? Should I boot from the CD and makefs the partitions before I start the install program? Will the instlal program honor already "formatted" drives? - -- Henrik Edlund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.edlund.org/ "You're young, you're drunk, you're in bed, you have knives; shit happens." -- Angelina Jolie -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use <http://www.pgp.com> iQA/AwUBO55nid0IbHN+6I/YEQKhLwCg25SfyLkB6NL760sjNY4pMpt+aAIAoKaA /Xoji6O14TsVLoHJ0mo1pTsz =MPdq -END PGP SIGNATURE- _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: ReiserFS/ext3 for PPC Mandrake?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ext3? - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ryan C. Gordon Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 8:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ReiserFS/ext3 for PPC Mandrake? Are ReiserFS and/or ext3 stable for PPC? If so, has anyone got recommendations for the best way to get them installed on Mandrake/PPC? I just kicked the plug out of my iMac, and had to suffer the wait through a fsck. :) Thanks, - --ryan. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use <http://www.pgp.com> iQA/AwUBO55ma90IbHN+6I/YEQKZtACfVEDTogGTJvh0VULAD9EepkAKTrIAn1aC MFwAXrmd6/XSC9Lfb1Q2p/1s =dGEP -END PGP SIGNATURE- _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: ReiserFS/ext3 for PPC Mandrake?
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Henrik Edlund wrote: > On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Stew Benedict wrote: > > SB> > SB> On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Ryan C. Gordon wrote: > SB> > SB> > > SB> > Are ReiserFS and/or ext3 stable for PPC? If so, has anyone got > SB> > recommendations for the best way to get them installed on Mandrake/PPC? I > SB> > just kicked the plug out of my iMac, and had to suffer the wait through a > SB> > fsck. :) > SB> > > SB> > SB> ReiserFS endian-safe patches are in place. I did a bit of testing a while > SB> back and found no issues with it. The installer is not setup to propose > SB> Reiser at the moment on PPC. In my testing, I made a spare partition > SB> Reiser, then transferred my data, using the reiser tools, edited fstab and > SB> proceeded to use the new partitions. I did not try to use Reiser on "/". > SB> > SB> ext3 is an unknown to me on PPC at this time > > What is the procedure then if I want to run Reiser on all my partitions? > Should I boot from the CD and makefs the partitions before I start the > install program? Will the instlal program honor already "formatted" > drives? > I have not tried it, so I can't really recommend a procedure. Nor did I try anything with Reiser and the installer. Obviously Reiser code is in the installer as it is the same one used for Intel, but at the time I was more concerned with getting proper partition, ext2, and bootstrap setup going. I don't know if yaboot would have any issue or not. You would need the reiser modules in your initrd for sure. If you do decide to experiment, I'd like to hear your results. Stew Benedict -- MandrakeSoftOH/TN, USA http://perso.mandrakesoft.com/~sbenedict/ PPC Faq: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mandrake-cooker-ppc&m=99441208917647&w=
Re: ReiserFS/ext3 for PPC Mandrake?
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Stew Benedict wrote: SB> SB> On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Ryan C. Gordon wrote: SB> SB> > SB> > Are ReiserFS and/or ext3 stable for PPC? If so, has anyone got SB> > recommendations for the best way to get them installed on Mandrake/PPC? I SB> > just kicked the plug out of my iMac, and had to suffer the wait through a SB> > fsck. :) SB> > SB> SB> ReiserFS endian-safe patches are in place. I did a bit of testing a while SB> back and found no issues with it. The installer is not setup to propose SB> Reiser at the moment on PPC. In my testing, I made a spare partition SB> Reiser, then transferred my data, using the reiser tools, edited fstab and SB> proceeded to use the new partitions. I did not try to use Reiser on "/". SB> SB> ext3 is an unknown to me on PPC at this time What is the procedure then if I want to run Reiser on all my partitions? Should I boot from the CD and makefs the partitions before I start the install program? Will the instlal program honor already "formatted" drives? -- Henrik Edlund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.edlund.org/ "You're young, you're drunk, you're in bed, you have knives; shit happens." -- Angelina Jolie
Re: ReiserFS/ext3 for PPC Mandrake?
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Ryan C. Gordon wrote: > > Are ReiserFS and/or ext3 stable for PPC? If so, has anyone got > recommendations for the best way to get them installed on Mandrake/PPC? I > just kicked the plug out of my iMac, and had to suffer the wait through a > fsck. :) > ReiserFS endian-safe patches are in place. I did a bit of testing a while back and found no issues with it. The installer is not setup to propose Reiser at the moment on PPC. In my testing, I made a spare partition Reiser, then transferred my data, using the reiser tools, edited fstab and proceeded to use the new partitions. I did not try to use Reiser on "/". ext3 is an unknown to me on PPC at this time Stew Benedict -- MandrakeSoftOH/TN, USA http://perso.mandrakesoft.com/~sbenedict/ PPC Faq: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mandrake-cooker-ppc&m=99441208917647&w=
ReiserFS/ext3 for PPC Mandrake?
Are ReiserFS and/or ext3 stable for PPC? If so, has anyone got recommendations for the best way to get them installed on Mandrake/PPC? I just kicked the plug out of my iMac, and had to suffer the wait through a fsck. :) Thanks, --ryan.
