Re: [CTRL] Gingrich: U.S. Went Off a Cliff in Iraq (DU)
Title: Democratic Underground Forums - NEWSWEEK: Gingrich Speaks Out Against Administration's Policy in Iraq, -Caveat Lector- Just more good cop/bad cop routine by CFR member Gingrich. Do you think so? I see a Republican Party in disarray, as most of the predictions that were made by the chickenhawks before the war have beenshattered by reality. They broke Iraq, and now they can't fix it. They have to cover their asses now, and they are strugglingto find agraceful exit. The problem is, there is no graceful exit in sight -- only failure and humiliation. They are in squirm mode, flopping around like a fish on the dock. There is no plan behind it all, just one stupid miscalculation after another. We got drawn into the same trap in Iraq that the Russians were drawn into in Afghanistan. We're sitting ducks now. Ouradversaries are free to toy with us, on their turf. Every Iraqi is a potential spy and guerrilla -- Bremer will be unable to sort out friendsfrom foes. Bush, with his dumb bluster,has alienated most of the other nations in the world, including our most important traditional allies, so they have no interest in helping us. They are probably richly enjoying Bush's comeuppance in Iraq, after enduring so many insults from him. Bush threw away a tremendoustreasure of good will towards America in a very few months -- it was an extraordinary performance in mismanagement, but not a surprising performance based on his track record. Donald Rumsfeld, who can see the handwriting on the wall, no fool he,is trying to distance himself from the fanatics in the Cheney group, using Gingrich as a mouthpiece. There is a real split within the Republican Party over Mideast policy in general. Many Republicans are beginning to realize just how unreliable and crazy the neocons are. After the Iraq fiasco, we can probably now write off thegrandiose schemes of the neocons for waging World War IV in five or six other Mideast nations. Dick Cheney is being set up by the media to take the fall for the whole mess -- this much is obvious. Many of the neocons are now pretending that they had nothing to do with what went wrong. It was all Cheney's fault, you see. He made them do it. And whatever you do, leave Israel out of it. Mideast experts, as opposed to Mideast ideologues, accurately predicted these outcomes before the war -- it was an easy call. I know you think the CFR has a centralized grip on everything. It's a free country -- that's your privilege. :) Keep the interesting conspiracy theories coming -- who knows, you might strike gold. - Original Message - From: Jim Rarey To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 1:36 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Gingrich: U.S. Went Off a Cliff in Iraq (DU) -Caveat Lector- Just more good cop/bad cop routine by CFR member Gingrich. JR - Original Message - From: Sean McBride To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 12:41 AM Subject: [CTRL] Gingrich: U.S. Went Off a Cliff in Iraq (DU) -Caveat Lector- This is possibly a hugedevelopment -- the Republican Party is starting to come apart at the seams over Iraq. The neocons will be left holding the bag, and an especially stinking bag it will be. It's not like they weren't warned loudly before the war what would happen. They did this to themselves. The negative fallout for Israel, which was the hand behind the neocons' hysterical campaign, could be exceptionally severe. The rage in high American political circles over this mess in Iraq is palpable. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesgforum=102topic_id=257626mesg_id=257626 Home | Forums | Articles | LinksDirectory | Store | Donate Democratic Underground Forums "DU2" NEWSWEEK: Gingrich Speaks Out Against Administration's Policy in Iraq,[View All] Printer-friendly format Email this message to a friend Bookmark this thread Previous thread | Next thread Lobby / Latest Latest Breaking News Message spotbird (1000+ posts) Sun Dec-07-03 03:07 PMOriginal message NEWSWEEK: Gingrich Speaks Out Against Administration's Policy in Iraq, Edited on Sun Dec-07-03 03:17 PM by spotbird
Re: [CTRL] Gingrich: U.S. Went Off a Cliff in Iraq (DU)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/8/2003 3:11:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I see a Republican Party in disarray, as most of the predictions that were made by the chickenhawks before the war have beenshattered by reality. They broke Iraq, and now they can't fix it. They have to cover their asses now, and they are strugglingto find agraceful exit. The problem is, there is no graceful exit in sight -- only failure and humiliation. It's time the U.S. should realize that they've been drawn into a trap. We are fighting (and doing a darned poor job of it) someone else's war. The U.S. needs to understand that the enemy of our enemy is not necessarily our friend, but would be very glad to use our resources to achieve its own ends. After last night's sixty minutes, it appears that we are putting Saddam's bully boys back in charge. So much for freeing the Iraqi from their oppressors. It's just that now we get to oppress them too. Perhaps the search for Saddam is because we want to return him to his former position--kind of a classic fullcircle. Prudy www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Shock Video: Who Shot The New 9/11 Tapes?
-Caveat Lector- http://www.antiwar.com/justin/justincol.html December 8, 2003 SHOCK VIDEO: WHO SHOT NEW 9/11 TAPES? Did Al Qaeda shoot recently released footage of 9/11 WTC attack or was it someone else? I shivered, a little, as I watched Lisa Meyers' report on NBC the other night: "New and threatening messages have been received from Al Qaeda. There's a videotape aimed at American and Saudi Arabian rulers and another that includes what appears to be well-produced footage of the 9/11 attacks raising still other questions." It's sinister to contemplate. Video believed to have been in U.S. government hands somehow pops up on a website alleged to be an Al Qaeda mouthpiece, and U.S. government officials hold it up as a reason to cower in fear before the threat of another major terrorist attack on American soil. Meanwhile, the President avers that Iraq is the central arena in his "war on terrorism," and his supporters claim that we're battling them in the streets of Baghdad so we don't have to fight them in the streets of Boise or whatever alliterative cliche first comes to mind. This new 9/11 footage sure does raise a lot of other questions, first and foremost: who shot the video? It was posted on what is described as "a known Al-Qaeda website" last Wednesday, although it was taken down after a few days. Aside from the usual militaristic gymnastics by jihadi commandos, Meyers reports: "The tape also contains what U.S. counterterror experts say may be never-before-broadcast video of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on New York's World Trade Center shot from across the East River in Brooklyn. The FBI says it is familiar with the video, which was provided by a friendly bystander. But that raises the question how did a tape that was not widely circulated end up on a known Al Qaeda site?" The idea that Al Qaeda had additional agents in the area, who knew the attack was coming, would certainly explain the unflinching steadiness of the camera's eye as it recorded the terror of that moment. But instead of inventing additional elements and players, it's always best to stick with what we already know. So who else just happened to be videotaping the World Trade Center attack that day? Hours after the terrorist struck, five people were arrested in New Jersey as they taped the WTC from their vantage point across the Hudson River in New Jersey. A witness identified only as "Maria" by ABC News said she saw: "Three young men kneeling on the roof of a white van in the parking lot of her apartment building. 'They seemed to be taking a movie,' Maria said. The men were taking video or photos of themselves with the World Trade Center burning in the background, she said. "What struck Maria were the expressions on the men's faces. 'They were like happy, you know They didn't look shocked to me. I thought it was very strange,' she said." Even stranger it turned out the five were Israelis. When law enforcement swooped down on this crew, they found them in possession of $4,700 in cash, box cutters, and multiple foreign passports. Police dogs reacted as if the presence of explosives was indicated, and, as the Bergen County Record reported: "Sources close to the investigation said they found other evidence linking the men to the bombing plot. 'There are maps of the city in the car with certain places highlighted,' the source said. 'It looked like they're hooked in with this. It looked like they knew what was going to happen when they were at Liberty State Park.'" These guys were held for three months, much of the time in solitary confinement, and extensively interrogated. One refused to take a lie detector test for weeks, and then failed it. All five had been in the employ of Urban Moving Systems, of Weehawken, New Jersey, the company name on their van's registration. Police raided the Urban Moving Systems warehouse 48 hours later, and carted away a lot of computer hard drives and other materials. The owner, one Dominik Suter, fled to Israel the next day. A few months later, Suter's name turned up on a list of terrorist suspects circulated by the FBI to European financial institutions. The apprehended Israelis claimed that they were merely "documenting" the day's events: police confiscated their photographic equipment, and whatever film they had taken. The new film shows the World Trade Center burning from the Brooklyn side of the East River, while the Urban Movers were filming from the vantage point of Liberty State Park, across the Hudson River in New Jersey. But whomever had foreknowledge of the attack on the World Trade Center could have taken that film and Al Qaeda operatives are not the only possible suspects. I have written at length about the five arrested Israelis in my new book, The Terror Enigma: 9/11 and the Israeli Connection, and I commend the attention of my readers to this modest little volume if they want to know more. I bring this up, not merely to plug my book, but to point out that we can't begin
Re: [CTRL] Gingrich: U.S. Went Off a Cliff in Iraq (DU)
Title: Message -Caveat Lector- Newt Gingrich was never a true Republican. He was a media created Republican, a fact the Young Turks knew when they went after him. From his very beginning as part of the Futurist movement, through his congressional days when he was part of many leftist organizations such as the Congressional Clearinghouse for the Future, he was basically a New Age politician, which is why his popularity remains high with the media. One might say there are three political parties operating, Republican, Democrat and New Age which has members operating under the Republican and Democratic labels. If one watches the international political New Age agenda, there one will always find Newt. -Original Message-From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim RareySent: Monday, December 08, 2003 12:37 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [CTRL] Gingrich: U.S. Went Off a Cliff in Iraq (DU)-Caveat Lector- Just more good cop/bad cop routine by CFR member Gingrich. JR - Original Message - From: Sean McBride To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 12:41 AM Subject: [CTRL] Gingrich: U.S. Went Off a Cliff in Iraq (DU) -Caveat Lector- This is possibly a hugedevelopment -- the Republican Party is starting to come apart at the seams over Iraq. The neocons will be left holding the bag, and an especially stinking bag it will be. It's not like they weren't warned loudly before the war what would happen. They did this to themselves. The negative fallout for Israel, which was the hand behind the neocons' hysterical campaign, could be exceptionally severe. The rage in high American political circles over this mess in Iraq is palpable. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesgforum=102topic_id=257626mesg_id=257626 Home | Forums | Articles | LinksDirectory | Store | Donate Democratic Underground Forums "DU2" NEWSWEEK: Gingrich Speaks Out Against Administration's Policy in Iraq,[View All] Printer-friendly format Email this message to a friend Bookmark this thread Previous thread | Next thread Lobby / Latest Latest Breaking News Message spotbird (1000+ posts) Sun Dec-07-03 03:07 PMOriginal message NEWSWEEK: Gingrich Speaks Out Against Administration's Policy in Iraq, Edited on Sun Dec-07-03 03:17 PM by spotbird Saying The U.S. Went 'Off a Cliff'NEW YORK, Dec. 7 /PRNewswire/ -- In an exclusive interview with Newsweek, former House speaker Newt Gingrich, a quiet confidant of Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, says the U.S. went "off a cliff in Iraq." In the December 15 issue (on newsstands Monday, Dec. 8), Gingrich talks about the shortcomings of the Bush administration's policy in Iraq, saying that "Americans can't win in Iraq. Only Iraqis can win in Iraq."(snip)Gingrich, a member of the influential Defense Policy Board, argues that the administration has been putting far too much emphasis on a military solution and slighting the political element, report National Security Correspondent John Barry and Assistant Managing Editor Evan Thomas. While he says he's not speaking for the board, it is rare that one of its members voices a dissenting view in public. "The Army's reaction to Vietnam was not to think about it," he says. Rather than absorb the lessons of counterinsurgency, Gingrich says, the Army adopted "a deliberate strategy of amnesia because people don't want to ever do it again." The Army rebuilt a superb fighting force for waging a conventional war. "I am very proud of what Tommy Franks did-up to the moment of deciding how to transfer power to the Iraqis. Then we go off a
[CTRL] Maya - JFK Assassination?
-Caveat Lector- Maya JFK Assassination? According to the Warren Commission regarding the case of the JFK assassination, President John F. Kennedy was killed by a single gunman. On Friday, November 22nd 1963 at 12:30pm CST (Central Standard Time). The President was riding in an open limousine through Dallas, Texas and the President was shot in the head and neck by a sniper. He was then taken to Parkland Memorial Hospital, where he was pronounced dead. Later, police arrested Lee Harvey Oswald, a former U.S. Marine, at a nearby theater. By the next morning, Oswald was booked for the murder of President John F. Kennedy. Two days later, Oswald was killed by Jack Ruby, a Dallas nightclub owner, while he was being moved from the city to the county jail. OK, countless words and many conspiracy theories surround the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. So to yet another conspiracy, where those who are following the Maya Plan did organize and murder the 35th President of the United States of America. Now when I take the Maya unit at 3.4744 feet and decrease to 3.474400e-03 feet and squared once and reciprocated and divided into six parts it is 13,806.67548 days, and divided by 365.2420 days is 37.80144529 years. And day 253, and divided by 365.2420 days + 2001 that is September 11th 2001.6926912. And deduct from September 11th 2001 the 37.80144529 years is 1963.891246 and this is 1963 + 0.891246 years x 365.2420 days is 325.52047 days, that is 12:29:33pm Friday, November 22nd 1963. So one could say a reasonable result for yet another contrived conspiracy theory where the Maya Planners did it. And of course I have no clue has to who such a nefarious group are. Sad JohnDM PS United States of Maya OK, I am not into conspiracy theories that much, but I do what I do most days, is to think about the day's articles, items and letters. This often means a very different mixture to consider each day, most of which are discarded. And I read that some Elite are following the Maya Plan and a plan I can only guess at, like suggesting it is to do with the New World Order as advertised on the Masonic symbolized one dollar bill, and comes into effect on say December 21st -22nd 2012, the end the Mayas Age of the Jaguar after their Long Count of 1,872,000 days (13 periods of 144,000 days). And one equatorial revolution of the Sun is 28.4 Earth days. And 2,840,000 days /Pi + 2,840,000 days is the Maya Long Count at 1,872,000.038 + 1,872,000.038 days.And the truncated pyramid shown not only the one dollar bill but also the Great Seal of the United States of America, makes me think of the four triangular sides covering of the Great Pyramid, that is the Shroud at 924,500 square feet.And so I have the Sun day, which forms the Maya Long Count at 28.4 Earth days and multiplied by the Shroud at 924,5000 square feet x Pi and /1,000,000 is the open sarcophagus in the Kings Chamber of the Great Pyramid at 82.485028 cubic feet, (Flinders-Petrie gives it as 82.48540 cubic feet a rather infinitesimal difference of 0.00040 cubic feet, or difference in the height of the sarcophagus of 41.31 inches compared to 41.30980 inches). So I say that it seems reasonable that the Great Pyramid, once called Ta Khut the Light and clothed in some 144,000 white casing stones, and area related to the Suns time thus forms the very number written into the volume of the open sarcophagus. And now to show how the open sarcophagus is contrived in the area of the United States of America. So to the map people Bancroft and Co who published their The New Bancroft World Atlas and under the section United States of America (U.S.A) and on the very first line of text writes the Federal Republic area 3,615,221 square miles. (And Washington D.C. is given as 69 square miles).So I need to change the area of the United States as square miles into the Mayas unit of 3.4744 feet (nearly 1.0590 meters). First I take one Sun day at 28.4 Earth days per revolution and increased to 2.84e+54 and /6 and square root twice and divided /Pi is 8.349143004e+12 square Maya units.And then I take the Shroud at 924,500 square feet and increase to 9.245e+50 x 2 and square root is 4.3e+25 x 16 and square root and /Pi is 8.34919004e+12 square Maya units. So the average area is 8.349166520e+12 square Maya units at 3.4744 feet per unit, is equivalent to 3,615,221.49 square miles, the area published for that of the United States (+ 0.49 square miles). Imagine that, the very important Maya people of Central America had a measurement rod that can form and fashion Sun time and Pyramids covering out of the area of the United States, which together offers up the number written into the volume of the open sarcophagus in the Kings Chamber of the very same Pyramid. Thus the United States Maya measurement-wise can be called the Land of the Sarcophagus the Land of Death. So I suggest the Maya Plan needs to be considered,
[CTRL] Attention Deficit Drugs May Have Long-Term Effects
-Caveat Lector- Updated: 07:30 AM EST Attention Deficit Drugs May Have Long-Term Effects Studies Suggest Impact on Growing Brains WASHINGTON (Dec. 8) - Drugs given to children to treat attention deficit hyperactivity disorder could have long-term effects on their growing brains, studies on rats suggest. Several studies published on Monday show that rats given a popular ADHD drug were less likely to want to use cocaine later in life, but also often acted clinically depressed and behaved differently from rats give dummy injections. While rats are different from humans, the studies suggest that doctors should watch children for long-term effects, too. In the United States between 3 percent and 5 percent of children are diagnosed with attention deficit disorder, marked by reduced ability to concentrate, difficulty in organizing and impulsive behavior. Patients are commonly prescribed stimulants but the practice is sometimes controversial. William Carlezon of McLean Hospital and Harvard Medical School in Boston and colleagues raised two groups of rats. One was given Ritalin, known generically as methylphenidate, during the rat equivalent of pre-adolescence, while the other was given a salt water injection. When they matured, the rats were tested for "learned helplessness" -- how quickly they gave up on behavioral tasks under stress. "Rats exposed to Ritalin as juveniles showed large increases in learned-helplessness behavior during adulthood, suggesting a tendency toward depression," Carlezon said in a statement. But rats, which generally like cocaine, were less likely to eat it if they had been give Ritalin. Carlezon said he did not believe the effects were specific to Ritalin, made by Swiss drug giant Novartis. It could instead be a general effect of stimulant drugs, many of which act by increasing the activity of a key message-carrying chemical called dopamine. Higher dopamine levels could affect the way brain cells cement their connections during development, Carlezon wrote in the Dec. 15 issue of the journal Biological Psychiatry. A team at the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center at Dallas found that adult rats were less responsive to rewarding stimuli and reacted more to stress if they had been given methylphenidate as youngsters. A third study done by a team at Finch University of Health Sciences/The Chicago Medical School found changes in how dopamine neurons responded to methylphenidate. "These three studies remind us how limited our knowledge is of the neurochemical and functional characteristics of the human brain during childhood and adolescence and on the effects of psychotropic drugs on brain development," Dr. Thomas Insel, Director of the National Institute of Mental Health, wrote in a commentary. 12/08/03 00:28 ET Copyright 2003 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved. Republication or redistribution of Reuters content, including by framing or similar means, is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Reuters. Reuters shall not be liable for any errors or delays in content, or for any actions taken in reliance thereon. All active hyperlinks have been inserted by AOL. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Gingrich: U.S. Went Off a Cliff in Iraq (DU)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/8/2003 9:03:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Newt Gingrich was never a true Republican. He was a media created Republican, a fact the Young Turks knew when they went after him. From his very beginning as part of the Futurist movement, through his congressional days when he was part of many leftist organizations such as the Congressional Clearinghouse for the Future, he was basically a New Age politician, which is why his popularity remains high with the media. One might say there are three political parties operating, Republican, Democrat and New Age which has members operating under the Republican and Democratic labels. If one watches the international political New Age agenda, there one will always find Newt. This was a real tickle. Prudy www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Controlling The News (Part 27)
-Caveat Lector- http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a744.htm Controlling The News Part 27 In-House Memos on Television And Print Media News PresentationsTo see prior Installments of "Controlling the News" click here (November 23, 2003) We are now stressing the upsurge in public holiday spending. Although it is down from several years ago, something is better than nothingemployment moved up a little but not enough to make much of a difference. It is generally agreed that we will downplay violence in Iraq over the holidays. (November 26) There has been some speculation about the number of wounded in Iraq. The Pentagon will not release figures but the NY Times let the cat out of the bag. Somewhere around 10k and rising. Most will not come back stateside because of the uproar it will cause. They cant keep the poor bastards in Germany until after the elections but they will certainly try (November 26) the Diebold case will not go away. It appears anyone with a high school education can break into their voting machines and change elections. My, what a surprise! And they are such good supporters of the Prez after all! Too much heat coming up on this subject so we can begin to explore it. It was too simple a solution for Herr Rove and his friends so they might have to find other avenues for reelection. They should get old Jeb to run the election. Even the dead would vote earlyand often. (November 28) We are going to stress the AIDS situation in weeks to come. Poor Africa. Everyone dying there and not a penny from the Bushites. But if you believe the real WHO and CDC figures (not the pap served to the public) we are entering a brand new era of population control. Not only most of Central Africa but India, Bangladesh, PRC, about all of Mexico, Egypt and Russia are all doomed to lose at least half of their population. In Russia its drug use and in Africa, mass buggery but in the end (no pun here) they will all die just the same. Nothing can be done about it. Figures are rising in the US as well. The US is not going to pour tons of AIDS medicine to the sick of the world, even in spite of frantic lobbying on the part of the grossly fat drug industry to make even more money.. Remember, the boys kill the frogs for sport but the frogs die in earnest www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Dubya - The Perfect PNAC Presidential Puppet (Sheila Samples)
-Caveat Lector- Millegan, From the instant you started hurling false andlibelous accusations regarding conspiratorial plots to "besmirch" your reputation and "hijack" cia-drugs, you destroyed what remained of your credibility and wrecked the list. The only plot to ruin you was in your head, and in executing this plot, you succeeded admirably. Brian Downing Quig, in the months before his death, fingered you as a Cointelpro op. No amount of accusing others of being Cointelpro ops is going to change that reality. Brian made the accusation to too many people in too many messages, none of which were forged. I discouraged Brian from going down that path, and defended you at the time, but given subsequent events, one begins to wonder if he wasn't on to something. I don't want to waste any more of my daily message quota on this inane topic. There are too many important developments happening out there in the real world to discuss. If anyone has any questions about this controversy, feel free to contact me in private email, and I will explain what is going on. political-research, here http://groups.yahoo.com/group/political-research/ is also open to discussion on these and other matters related to deep politics, with the caveat that any personal attacks or flaming of the kind we have seen here are strongly discouraged. It's impossible to carry on a useful discussion with this kind of neurotic verbal abuse mucking up the works. - Original Message - From: Kris Millegan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Dubya - The Perfect PNAC Presidential Puppet (Sheila Samples) www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Afghanistan's own opium wars
-Caveat Lector- www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om ---BeginMessage--- -Caveat Lector- http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/EL09Ag02.html Afghanistan's own opium wars By Sudha Ramachandran BANGALORE - The spurt in violence in Afghanistan in recent months has generally been attributed to the resurgence of the Taliban and al-Qaeda. However, aid workers in Afghanistan are saying that it is warlords with connections to the production and trade of narcotics who are behind many of the attacks. The sharp rise in killings, say aid workers, coincides with the autumn harvest of the poppy crop. Diane Johnston, country director for Mercy Corps, told Associated Press security is worse in places where people are growing poppies. Late last month, the European Union's envoy in Afghanistan, Francesc Vendrell, warned that laboratories for producing heroin that had been closed down by the Taliban were being set up again. The heightened narcotics-related activity in Afghanistan is worrying not only because of the surge in flow of heroin into markets abroad, but also because of its implications for security in Afghanistan. There is a palpable risk that Afghanistan will again turn into a failed state, this time in the hands of drug cartels and narco-terrorists, wrote Antonio Maria Costa, executive director of the UN anti- narcotics program. If energetic interdiction measures are not undertaken now, the country's drug cancer will metastasize into corruption, violence and terrorism, he pointed out. This year's bumper poppy crop in Afghanistan seems to be financing a fresh proliferation of weapons among the warlords. Poppy cultivation touched a new high in Afghanistan this year. According to the Afghanistan Opium Survey for 2003 brought out by the UN Office on Drugs and Crime and the Afghan government, Afghanistan produced 3,600 tonnes of opium this year. In 2000, the country produced 3,276 tonnes of opium. Under a ban imposed by the Taliban the next year, cultivation plunged to 185 tonnes. In 2002, opium production shot up dramatically in Afghanistan, rising higher this year. The White House Office of National Drug Control Policy said last week that the area of poppy cultivation in Afghanistan jumped to 61,000 hectares (150,000 acres) from 30,700 hectares last year and 1,685 hectares in 2001. Afghanistan has the dubious distinction of being the world leader in opium production, accounting for 75 percent of the world's poppy output. Opium is cultivated in 28 of the country's 32 provinces. Poppy is the most profitable crop in Afghanistan. Recent estimates suggest that Afghan farmers make 38 times as much from opium as they can from wheat. Although poppy cultivation is outlawed in Afghanistan, few seem to fear the repercussions of defying the law. The income from poppy is far too attractive to deter farmers, especially when one considers the alternative to poppy - crops that do not yield adequate income to support families. The temptation of poppy cultivation is simply too much. Warlords and crime cartels control this lucrative industry. Poppy is refined into heroin in illicit laboratories all over Afghanistan. Provincial administrators and military commanders take a share of the profits as it is transported through the provinces to the international market. The more they get used to this, the less likely it becomes that they will respect the law, be loyal to Kabul, Costa points out. Terrorists take a cut as well. The longer this happens, the greater the threat to security within the country and on its borders. So serious is the threat posed by poppy cultivation and trafficking that a recent UN Security Council mission to Afghanistan cited drug trafficking alongside terrorism and factional warfare as the triple threats slowing down the reconstruction process in that country. Briefing the Security Council, German ambassador Gunter Pleuger, head of the
Re: [CTRL] The Forgotten Books of Eden [a must view]
-Caveat Lector- this link doesn't work www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] On Conservative Opposition to the Iraq War (Justin Raimondo)
Title: Going AWOL, by Justin Raimondo -Caveat Lector- http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j120503.html December 5, 2003 ... The troops are supported and empathized with: the policy, however, is increasingly opposed by the overwhelming majority of the American people. A whopping 71 percent say the Iraq war hasn't made them safer from terrorism. Our men and women in uniform, by voting with their feet, are merely reflecting the views of the fellows, who increasingly look on the war to "liberate" Iraq as a pipe-dream founded on a lie. While the War Party loves to point to the far-left "International ANSWER" coalition, responsible for many of the rallies, as the heart and soul of the antiwar opposition, the earliest and most effective opponents of this war were senior military officers. The military wing of the antiwar opposition, like the conservative-Old Right wing, has been less showy in its opposition, yet potentially far more subversive of the War Party's policies. People like General Anthony Zinni, retired Marine Colonel Larry Williams, former Navy secretary James Webb, retired Marine commander Joseph P. Hoar, and the most decorated soldier of the Vietnam war era, Colonel David Hackworth all opposed the war on the grounds that an American occupation of Iraq would be a disaster. The civilians who plumbed for an invasion didn't listen to them, nor did they listen to General Eric Shinseki, former Army chief of staff, who warned that they couldn't stitch Iraq back together again without 200,000 armed nation-builders. When Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld heard this, he went ballistic: the Pentagon's neocon-in-chief, Paul Wolfowitz, made a point of publicly attacking Shinseki's estimate as "wildly off the mark." Now we are seeing the officers' rebellion against a policy of imperialism taking shape in the ranks, as Army reservists, called up in record numbers, are refusing to be coerced into returning to Iraq early. ... www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Gingrich: U.S. Went Off a Cliff in Iraq (DU)
-Caveat Lector- As Professor Sutton said, these guys go to war to lose. As my Branch-Chief in the CIA-father told me, Vietnam was about drugs and that "they" were playing out a lose scenario and the "they" were secret societies. My father told me that in the late sixities. He left the CIA in the 50's because of narcotics trafficking. Because of the situation in Iraq, will there arise a clamor for either NATO or UN oversight? The Vietnam "War" was exploited by many folks in many ways, Connecticut arms manufacturers and the psy-war folks used in to create and nuture divisions among the populace, emotional idealogue drain-offs - both right and left. These guys know how to "play" war well ... You really don't get it McFraud, but then your "persona" wouldn't be worth much if it did. What "they" wish us to believe is really getting rather far-fetched and the majority are not buying and dissaffection is growing daily. I am sure there will be attempts to hijack and redirect and possibly massive "terrorist" strikes, especially the west coast, but they won't work. The culture far exceeds "their" ability to control. The future that is coming down the pike includes complete exposure of the secret societies their crimes and corruptions. Beaware of where you stand when change proceeds. Peace, Om K In a message dated 12/8/03 12:11:34 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just more good cop/bad cop routine by CFR member Gingrich. Do you think so? I see a Republican Party in disarray, as most of the predictions that were made by the chickenhawks before the war have been shattered by reality. They broke Iraq, and now they can't fix it. They have to cover their asses now, and they are struggling to find a graceful exit. The problem is, there is no graceful exit in sight -- only failure and humiliation. They are in squirm mode, flopping around like a fish on the dock. There is no plan behind it all, just one stupid miscalculation after another. We got drawn into the same trap in Iraq that the Russians were drawn into in Afghanistan. We're sitting ducks now. Our adversaries are free to toy with us, on their turf. Every Iraqi is a potential spy and guerrilla -- Bremer will be unable to sort out friends from foes. Bush, with his dumb bluster, has alienated most of the other nations in the world, including our most important traditional allies, so they have no interest in helping us. They are probably richly enjoying Bush's comeuppance in Iraq, after enduring so many insults from him. Bush threw away a tremendous treasure of good will towards America in a very few months -- it was an extraordinary performance in mismanagement, but not a surprising performance based on his track record. Donald Rumsfeld, who can see the handwriting on the wall, no fool he, is trying to distance himself from the fanatics in the Cheney group, using Gingrich as a mouthpiece. There is a real split within the Republican Party over Mideast policy in general. Many Republicans are beginning to realize just how unreliable and crazy the neocons are. After the Iraq fiasco, we can probably now write off the grandiose schemes of the neocons for waging World War IV in five or six other Mideast nations. Dick Cheney is being set up by the media to take the fall for the whole mess -- this much is obvious. Many of the neocons are now pretending that they had nothing to do with what went wrong. It was all Cheney's fault, you see. He made them do it. And whatever you do, leave Israel out of it. Mideast experts, as opposed to Mideast ideologues, accurately predicted these outcomes before the war -- it was an easy call. I know you think the CFR has a centralized grip on everything. It's a free country -- that's your privilege. :) Keep the interesting conspiracy theories coming -- who knows, you might strike gold. To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om 2">
Re: [CTRL] Gingrich: U.S. Went Off a Cliff in Iraq (DU)
-Caveat Lector- Kris, I agree with your statement in the last paragraph that theWar Party is growing desperate andmay stage acts of terrorism to try to reignite war hysteria in the U.S. I've been expecting that ever since 9/11. What I have trouble believing is that Rove, Bush, Rumsfeld and Cheney went into the Iraq War with the certain expectation of failing and being disgraced. Have I misunderstood your argument here? Is that what you and Jim Rarey believe? When I look at the surpassing egos of these four gentlemen, it is difficult for me to believe that they would deliberately set themselves up to suffer public ruin. The experience of that would be excruciatingly painful for them. This is where my sense of psychological reality collides head on with some conspiracy theories. To believe that the Bush administration went into the Iraq War knowing that it would lose, I would need to see some convincing documentary proof. Speculation or theory alone wouldn't make the case for me. - Original Message - From: Kris Millegan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 12:03 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Gingrich: U.S. Went Off a Cliff in Iraq (DU) -Caveat Lector- As Professor Sutton said, these guys go to war to lose. As my Branch-Chief in the CIA-father told me, Vietnam was about drugs and that "they" were playing out a lose scenario and the "they" were secret societies. My father told me that in the late sixities. He left the CIA in the 50's because of narcotics trafficking. Because of the situation in Iraq, will there arise a clamor for either NATO or UN oversight? The Vietnam "War" was exploited by many folks in many ways, Connecticut arms manufacturers and the psy-war folks used in to create and nuture divisions among the populace, emotional idealogue drain-offs - both right and left. These guys know how to "play" war well ... You really don't get it McFraud, but then your "persona" wouldn't be worth much if it did. What "they" wish us to believe is really getting rather far-fetched and the majority are not buying and dissaffection is growing daily. I am sure there will be attempts to hijack and redirect and possibly massive "terrorist" strikes, especially the west coast, but they won't work. The culture far exceeds "their" ability to control. The future that is coming down the pike includes complete exposure of the secret societies their crimes and corruptions. Beaware of where you stand when change proceeds. Peace, OmKIn a message dated 12/8/03 12:11:34 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just more good cop/bad cop routine by CFR member Gingrich. Do you think so?I see a Republican Party in disarray, as most of the predictions that were made by the chickenhawks before the war have beenshattered by reality. They broke Iraq, and now they can't fix it. They have to cover their asses now, and they are strugglingto find agraceful exit. The problem is, there is no graceful exit in sight -- only failure and humiliation. They are in squirm mode, flopping around like a fish on the dock. There is no plan behind it all, just one stupid miscalculation after another. We got drawn into the same trap in Iraq that the Russians were drawn into in Afghanistan. We're sitting ducks now. Ouradversaries are free to toy with us, on their turf. Every Iraqi is a potential spy and guerrilla -- Bremer will be unable to sort out friendsfrom foes.Bush, with his dumb bluster,has alienated most of the other nations in the world, including our most important traditional allies, so they have no interest in helping us. They are probably richly enjoying Bush's comeuppance in Iraq, after enduring so many insults from him. Bush threw away a tremendoustreasure of good will towards America in a very few months -- it was an extraordinary performance in mismanagement, but not a surprising performance based on his track record.Donald Rumsfeld, who can see the handwriting on the wall, no fool he,is trying to distance himself from the fanatics in the Cheney group, using Gingrich as a mouthpiece. There is a real split within the Republican Party over Mideast policy in general. Many Republicans are beginning to realize just how unreliable and crazy the neocons are. After the Iraq fiasco, we can probably now write off thegrandiose schemes of the neocons for waging World War IV in five or six other Mideast nations.Dick Cheney is being set up by the media to take the fall for the whole mess -- this much is obvious. Many of the neocons are now pretending that they had nothing to do with what went wrong. It was all Cheney's fault, you see He made them do it. And whatever you do, leave Israel out of it.Mideast experts, as opposed to Mideast ideologues, accurately predicted these outcomes
[CTRL] Fwd: HOW THE GOVERNMENT BLEW UP MANHATTAN - 9-11-2001
-Caveat Lector- www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om ---BeginMessage--- -Caveat Lector- http://www.greatdreams.com/trade_blew_up.htm www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om HOW THE GOVERNMENT BLEW UP MANHATTAN - 9-11-2001.url Description: Binary data ---End Message---
[CTRL] Fwd: [ctrl] The Bush Success Story
-Caveat Lector- www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om ---BeginMessage--- -Caveat Lector- The Bush Success Story: A Global Tragedy in the Making If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, it expects what never was and never will be. Thomas Jefferson Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither. Benjamin Franklin I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed. Abraham Lincoln 1. Successfully engaged in implementing an anti- democratic, anti-worker, anti-environment neo-con (neoconservative) agenda. Under the ruse of exporting democracy and freedom, the neo-con agenda includes world domination by military and economic means, replacing democratic rule with dictatorial rule, exploiting labor and the environment to the fullest, exporting American jobs overseas, consolidating the media to reflect a single voice, eliminating unions, driving wage rates and benefits ever lower, and destroying all social programs. Project for a New American Century at www.newamericancentury.org. 2. Successfully enriches heavily bankrolled special interest groups and giant multinational corporations by handing out lucrative no-bid contracts, creating numerous tax loopholes, and failing to prosecute corporate criminality. 3. Successfully wages a continuing war on women by aggressively appointing judges who seek to overturn Roe vs. Wade, and by supporting legislation that would narrow a woman's right to choose. 4. Successfully pursues class warfare on working Americans by promoting the export of their jobs overseas and hindering the rights of workers to form unions and receive overtime pay. Under Bush economic policy well over one million people have been added to the poverty rolls, about three million have lost their jobs, over $2 trillion has been hijacked from Social Security, the fifty states are under increasing pressure to slash vital programs, over one million more people have lost their health insurance (about 45 million in total), and economic growth is the slowest in 50 years. 5. Successfully wages a continuing war on the elderly and on future generations of Americans with efforts to destroy Medicare and Social Security, and failed to do anything protect retirees and their pension plans from unscrupulous employers. Bush has conspired with Senator Lindsay Graham to draft legislation that will begin privatizing Social Security in 2005. - Los Angeles Times, November 30, 2003. 6. Successfully ignores his promise to fight the spread of global AIDS by failing to provide the necessary funding. Meanwhile, 14 million people will die from AIDS next year. 7. Successfully wages a continuing war on the environment by dismantling sections of landmark environmental legislation, including the Clean Air and Clean Water Acts and supporting oil exploration in American wilderness areas. 8. Successfully squanders the entire stock of global empathy and goodwill that accrued to America following 9/11 by invading Iraq under false pretenses, in violation of international law, and without the approval of the United Nations. 9. Successfully, and without provocation, preemptively invaded Iraq without any exit strategy, a catastrophic planning blunder that is now costing hundreds of American lives, thousands of American casualties, thousands of Iraqi lives, and hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars. 10.
[CTRL] Fwd: [ctrl] Today Americans would be outraged if U. N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful!
-Caveat Lector- www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om ---BeginMessage--- -Caveat Lector- Word on the Illuminazi plan. Excerpts from: http://www.4rie.com/ There is no doubt that Timothy McVeigh was under CIA mind control when he bombed the Alfred P. Murrah building 1995, in Oklahoma City (if he was actually the guilty person). We now know that Oklahoma Governor Frank Keating's brother, Martin Keating, wrote the manuscript of a novel in 1991 titled The Final Jihad, in which the terrorist who blew up a Federal building in OKC, was named "Tom McVey". Was this the script for the actual bombing that took place in 1995? harrynote: Governor Frank Keating just happened to be the man who personally found the Ryder truck's rear axle and declared it to be from a truck bomb. ``` African Union The African Union was completed and signed into effect on July 11, 2000, by the 53 nations of Africa. This Union, like the European Union, has only one Peacekeeping force, one Central Bank, one Court of Justice, one currency, and so on. A carbon copy of the European Union. American Union The Elite plan to create the American Union by 2005. This will include all of the nations of North, Central and South America and the Caribbean Islands, and will function just like the present European Union, which was completed in the year 2000. There will be only one monetary system, one central bank, one (unelected) governing body, one military force, one judicial system, no borders, and no Constitution and Bill of Rights. The Elite have invented a new term for expanded NAFTA, which they now call the FTAA, or Free Trade Area of the Americas. The Council of the Americas, at the Quebec City conference in March, 2001, stated very clearly that they plan to complete the FTAA by the year 2005. Vice President Dick Cheney was thanked for his remarks at the Council of the Americas conference on May 6, 2002, by founder and Honorary Chairman, David Rockefeller. Cheney said that the FTAA would be completed by January, 2005. (Reference paragraph 18 of Cheney's speech at http://207.21.242.176/coa/events/2002-CheneySpeech.html and Paragraph 12 of Otto Reich's speech at http://207.21.242.176/coa/events/2002-ReichSpeech.html) Two years ago at the Quebec Summit of the Americas, our presidents and prime ministers committed themselves to creating, by January 2005, a free trade area that would create greater prosperity for nearly 800 million people in 34 countries of our hemisphere. (Colin L. Powell, U.S. Secretary of State, Council of the Americas Conference, April 28, 2003) http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2003/20021.htm It is obvious that they are really talking about the American Union which they plan to complete by January, 2005. That's less than two years away, my friends. Just when are you planning to get concerned? The American Union follows the second step, the African Union, in the Elite's plan to control the entire world. Next will be the Asian Union, and the Soviet Union, all to be completed between the years 2010 and 2015. This is not my speculation, it's their stated plans, as detailed in a UN document titled "Our Global Neighborhood" (available in any bookstore, on special order). All nations of the world will be included in the Global Union, except those nations dominated by Islam. Perhaps that is why the Elite are planning wars against the Islamic nations. ``` FAKE ALIENS? - that's the plan. "Today Americans would be outraged if U. N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all people of the world will plead with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every
[CTRL] Fwd: [ctrl] The Hutton Inquiry: An Avoidance Tactic
-Caveat Lector- www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om ---BeginMessage--- -Caveat Lector- The Hutton Inquiry: An Avoidance Tactic By delving into minutiae at the Hutton Inquiry, and searching for a scapegoat to be responsible for Dr David Kelly's death, the British state avoided the real charge: the use of deception in taking Britain to war RTTHE HUTTON INQUIRY:AN AVOIDANCE TACTIC..Over in London, meanwhile, the recent Hutton inquiry allowed some notional insights into just what Blair and the faceless civil servants of death are capable of when it comes to asserting British corporate interests abroad, notably in support of arms and oil. In true Whitehall style, even this free-ranging investigation looked more like the usual gentlemens inquiry. It was a sanitised sham which pored over every syllable and intonation of the BBC reporter Andrew Gilligans 45-minute account and looked for a scapegoat within the Ministry of Defence for David Kellys suicide. But the inquiry studiously avoided the real charge of deception by the British state and its wilful sanctioning of terror, including the dropping of cluster bombs on a defenceless people. Web of deceit We should not be misled by simplistic notions of Britain as some supposed poodle in this and other imperial adventures. Readers in any doubt about what Im saying here should find themselves a copy of Mark Curtiss brilliant exposé, Web of Deceit: Britains Real Role in the World. They might then better understand what this secretive, authoritarian regime has been up to, not just in its past colonial exploits, but in spreading poverty, misery and death around the globe today. They can be in the guise of an ethical foreign policy, which arms dictators and supports other repressive regimes. Or it can be in the form of an active lead in asserting neoliberal condition-alities on poor developing countries under the pretext of a caring aid agenda. Drawing on recently declassified documents, Curtis shows that the level of British scheming and brutality on behalf of colonial business in, for example, Malaya, Kenya, Iran, British Guiana (now Guyana) and Indonesia was much more serious than previously realised. Likewise, he brings us up to date with some of the UKs more recent interventions, such as the supply of Hawk jets and other instruments of death to Indonesia, thus allowing its Kopassus special forces to carry out their repression in East Timor, West Papua and Aceh. Alongside this are the non-interventions, such as Britains lead in seeking the removal of vital UN peace-keeping forces in Rwanda, a strategy which on-the-ground NGOs and key military personnel specifically link to the ensuing genocide and deaths of a million people. Single-ideology totalitarian state And if Malaysians are rightly sick and tired of what passes for critical enquiry in their own media, they might like to reflect on the British media. Despite the supposed standard-bearing independence of the press here, barely a single word of criticism was offered in the mainstream or qualities over Britains complicity in the Rwandan slaughter. In the face of intense public hostility, the medias view of Blairs recent Iraq actions may have been more searching, but the rationalisations and veiled apologias are no less apparent. It is a mark of the sustained and entrenched notion of liberal democracy in the West, a set of ideals variously filtered through the mainstream and liberal media, that most people could not possibly countenance the idea of Blair as a war criminal. Yet, Curtis, among others, comes to this and similar sober conclusions in describing Britain as a single-ideology totalitarian state. This was evident in the past orchestration of the coup against Sukarno and connivance in the murder of thousands of innocent Indonesians. More recently, the military liberations in Afghanistan and
[CTRL] Fwd: [cia-drugs] English press blamed eSSo agents for Diesel's death
-Caveat Lector- www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om ---BeginMessage--- -Caveat Lector- "English newspapers suggested that he had been assassinated by foreign agents. After Diesel's death, the idea of fueling engines with vegetable oil was quickly and quietly swept under the rug" Book -- vegetable oil fuel-- http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/external-search/002-2792646-844?Go.x=0Go.y=0Go=Gomode=bookskeyword=Vegetable+Oil+Fueltag=sticklecomlip-20 http://www.motherearthnews.com/menarch/archive/goto.asp?article=175/175-018-01ID=1658Num=141 We would drive a Winnebago, equipped with a standard diesel engine, on a cross-country trek fueled by leftover vegetable oil from fast food restaurants. We would turn the McDonald's and Kentucky Fried Chickens of America into a chain of low-cost gas stations A Bit of History Rudolf Diesel shocked reputable scientists and inventors at the 1900 World's Fair in Paris by pouring peanut oil directly into his newly unveiled diesel engine. While at the time revolutionary, no idea could have been more natural for an innovator who had spent his childhood in the agricultural provinces of France and Germany. Throughout his career, Diesel promoted the benefits of agricultural fuel. In a speech given in Germany in 1911, he declared, "The diesel engine can be fed with vegetable oils and would help considerably in the development of agriculture of the countries which use it." Two years later, Diesel was on a trip across the English Channel when he disappeared. Mysteriously, his body was never found. The English newspapers suggested that he had been assassinated by foreign agents. After Diesel's death, the idea of fueling engines with vegetable oil was quickly and quietly swept under the rug. His original designs were modified and diesel engines were made to run on the cheapest, most abundant fuel available: petroleum. It wasn't until the oil crisis of the 1970s that the idea of using vegetable oil as an engine fuel was again given serious thought. There was, however, a key obstacle: vegetable oil is too thick to use directly in modern diesel engine fuel injection systems. Not to be dissuaded, university researchers in the United States and Europe set to work on the problem, eventually devising three practicable solutions: 1) mix the vegetable oil with a lighter fuel such as kerosene, 2) heat the vegetable oil before it gets to the fuel injection system, and 3) chemically "crack" the vegetable oil molecule to make it smaller. Since the chemical process used to crack the vegetable oil is simple, reliable and inexpensive, it became the method of choice for producing biodiesel fuel. Why Biodiesel? Biodiesel is easily made from vegetable oil, alcohol and a catalyst, through a process called transesterification. The only by-product is glycerin, which can be used to make soap or any one of thousands of other products. Biodiesel can be used in any diesel engine and burns 75% cleaner than petroleum diesel fuel. It can be made from any vegetable oil, including soy, canola, sunflower, hemp, coconut and even used cooking oils or animal fat. It is highly lubricating, which actually makes it better for diesel engines than diesel fuel. But the best thing about biodiesel is that it requires absolutely no engine modifications. To use it, you just pour it into the fuel tank. It even mixes with regular petroleum diesel fuel. The Veggie Van is Born Determined to "fill 'er up" at America's fast food restaurants, we embarked on what turned out to be a frustrating search for an inexpensive, small diesel motor home. At first, we found nothing even close to our price range. But just when it had begun to look hopeless, we happened upon an unimpressive, white 1986 Winnebago LeSharo. It has a small, two-liter diesel engine and gets 25 miles per gallon. The perfect model! Back at campus, we approached nearly every member of the faculty with
[CTRL] Fwd: [ctrl] Is Freemasonry Afraid of its own Shadow?
-Caveat Lector- www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om ---BeginMessage--- -Caveat Lector- http://www.freemason.org/cfo/spring_2003/shadow.htm IS FREEMASONRY AFRAID OF ITS OWN SHADOW? By JAY KINNEY - Posted by permission [Return to the table of contents] Masonry's Love/Hate Relationship with Esoteric Traditions Is Freemasonry Afraid of its own Shadow? is the title of this paper. Now, some of you are probably wondering exactly what shadow I'm referring to. Am I suggesting that Masons are like groundhogs who pop out of their holes once a year, see their shadows, and dive back down for another six weeks of winter? Well, not exactly. The great psychologist Carl Jung coined the term, the Shadow, to refer to those parts of each person's psyche and personality that they are ashamed of or embarrassed by. Those things in the Shadow are not necessarily bad - they may just be under-developed or unaccepted parts of our beings. 1 But most of us prefer to push them into the Shadow so that we don't have to think about them. And we usually hope that by keeping them out of sight and mind, others will ignore them too. But you know, the Shadow is a funny thing. Sometimes those parts of ourselves that we've tried so hard to ignore are glaringly obvious to our friends - or our enemies. They end up being those things that our friends tease us about unmercifully. Carl Jung was of the opinion that we'd be a lot less neurotic and self-defeating if we brought our Shadows into the light of consciousness and acknowledged them. Sometimes, in fact, we'd find that our Shadows were like missing pieces of a puzzle - that once they found their proper places, we'd be rewarded with a sense of wholeness and completion that had been previously lacking. How might this apply to Freemasonry? Human organizations often function like a collective personality or a group psyche with its own Shadow - which consists of those things that we seldom discuss, whether out of embarrassment or confusion or discomfort. But since our rituals remind us that we seek more light, I'd like to propose that we shine some light on one aspect of Masonry's Shadow - its Love/Hate relationship to esoteric traditions. This conflicted relationship dates back to the beginnings of Speculative Masonry, but it also has a contemporary impact on how others see Masonry and how we see ourselves. ESOTERIC TRADITIONS AND FREEMASONRY Esoteric, like the term occult, has a common meaning of something hidden or obscure. It is often used to refer to knowledge or teachings that are restricted to a special circle of initiates. Thus Masonry sometimes refers to the esoteric portions of its rituals, which means the signs, tokens, and words that are not supposed to be written down, even in a cipher book. However, esoteric can also refer to an inner meaning or the essence of a religion or a body of wisdom. This can be something as simple as when Jesus talked about the spirit of the Law, in contrast to the letter of the Law. Or it can be something as complex as a system of mystical practices that promises to help one draw closer to God. For instance, the mystical system of Kabbalah is sometimes called esoteric Judaism, just as the mystical teachings of Sufism are sometimes called esoteric Islam. Similarly, Yoga is sometimes considered esoteric Hinduism, and so forth. The esoteric traditions, with which Masonry has had its conflicted Love/Hate relationship, include: the Kabbalah; Rosicrucianism - which is a kind of esoteric Christianity; Sacred Geometry and Sacred Architecture; Hermeticism - which has its roots in ancient Greece and Egypt; and Alchemy - which was actually much more than just an attempt to turn Lead into Gold. Unfortunately, we don't have space in this paper to delve into the specifics of these rather arcane traditions. 2 Instead, I will focus the
Re: [CTRL] Gingrich: U.S. Went Off a Cliff in Iraq (DU)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/8/03 9:20:56 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kris, I agree with your statement in the last paragraph that the War Party is growing desperate and may stage acts of terrorism to try to reignite war hysteria in the U.S. I've been expecting that ever since 9/11. What I have trouble believing is that Rove, Bush, Rumsfeld and Cheney went into the Iraq War with the certain expectation of failing and being disgraced. Have I misunderstood your argument here? Is that what you and Jim Rarey believe? McFraud, whilst, I have profound respect for Jim, why do you try and link our beliefs. Jim and I are quite capable of thinking for ourselves. You seem to think that the folks you named are in charge. Both Bush and Cheney's grandfathers were employed by the same man - a Democrat, no less. Public pronouncements are meant to decieve. I say that yes, these guys go to war for more than mom, flag and apple pie. and winning is a matter of public relations. Japan looted Asia of billions of loot and paid NO reperations. Have you ever read the Secret Treaty of Fort Hunt? When I look at the surpassing egos of these four gentlemen, it is difficult for me to believe that they would deliberately set themselves up to suffer public ruin. The experience of that would be excruciatingly painful for them. This is where my sense of psychological reality collides head on with some conspiracy theories. So you hold hostage history to your perceived realities of four guys ego's. Was it their ego's that got them there or a powerful cabal that plays to the house for the house? To believe that the Bush administration went into the Iraq War knowing that it would lose, I would need to see some convincing documentary proof. Speculation or theory alone wouldn't make the case for me. So what documentary "proof" do you have for your conspiracy theory. Peace, Om K To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om 2">
[CTRL] [JBirch] Get US Out of the UN (Yet another reason!) (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- I pledge Allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands, one Nation under God,indivisible,with liberty and justice for all. visit my web site at http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon My ICQ# is 79071904 for a precise list of the powers of the Federal Government linkto: http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon/Enumerated.html -- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 13:35:44 -0500 From: SW PA JBS Section Leader [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], Patriot Awarness [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [JBirch] Get US Out of the UN (Yet another reason!) TURTLE BAY DISPATCH The U.N.'s Dirty Little Secret The international body refuses to condemn anti-Semitism. BY ANNE BAYEFSKY Monday, December 8, 2003 12:01 a.m. EST Last week, the U.N. once again proved itself incapable of rising to the moral challenges embraced in its founding Charter: tolerance, the dignity and worth of the human person and equal rights. A draft resolution on anti-Semitism--which would have been a first in the U.N.'s 58-year history--was withdrawn in the face of Arab and Muslim opposition. Daily incidents of anti-Semitic violence around the globe are reported in the media. Yet while leaders of the Free World condemn synagogue bombings in Turkey, firebombings of Jewish schools in France, and the hate speech of Malaysia's president who now heads the Organization of the Islamic Conference, the U.N. moves in the opposite direction, encouraging the proliferation of this centuries-old hatred. In marked contrast, other forms of intolerance continue to consume the U.N.'s attention and resources. A special rapporteur mandated by the U.N. Commission on Human Rights reports regularly to the U.N. on discrimination against Muslims and Arab peoples in various parts of the world including any physical assaults and attacks against their places of worship, cultural centers, businesses and properties. An entire 2003 Commission resolution combating defamation of religions, mentions only prejudice against Muslims, Arabs and Islam. Condemnation of anti-Semitism--which ought to be axiomatic--engenders controversy and intransigence at the U.N. At this year's General Assembly, Ireland asssumed the role of gatekeeper, slamming the door in the face of a resolution to protect Jewish victims. Ireland has shepherded resolutions on religious intolerance through U.N. bodies for nearly 20 years without introducing anti-Semitism. In mid-November current events prompted demands in the Irish Parliament for an explanation of this omission from Foreign Minister Brian Cowen. The shabby excuse offered at that time was to sacrifice Jewish rights on the U.N.'s alter of consensus and a wide level of co-sponsorship. In plain language, to Ireland, Arab and Muslim opposition to condemning anti-Semitism meant . . . cut and run! Irish unwillingness or inability to stand up for principle at a time when it is assuming the Presidency of the European Union, does little to enhance the credibility of either the U.N. or the EU as honest brokers in the Middle East peace process. The behind-the-scenes story of this Machiavellian plot involves an Irish breach of a deal struck between Foreign Minister Cowen and Israeli Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom only two weeks ago. Israel agreed to drop efforts to include anti-Semitism in the religious intolerance resolution in exchange for a promise from Ireland to introduce a new resolution specifically on anti-Semitism. But after the General Assembly's Third Committee adopted the resolution on religious intolerance minus any reference to anti-Semitism, Ireland refused to carry out its side of the bargain. From the common era to the modern age, genocidal persecution of Jews has been justified by whichever label has served the perpetrator's interests: Religion, race, ethnic origin or nationality have all functioned, at one time or another as grounds for anti-Semitism. Ironically, the U.N. today can find none of these grounds sufficient to launch the vital campaign required to prevent the atrocities this hatred inspires. Instead, U.N. diplomats use the multiplicity of alleged Jewish crimes to place anti-Semitism between the stools. When the U.N. passed a major treaty on racial discrimination in 1965, they omitted anti-Semitism on the grounds that it was out of place. Yet, a matching treaty on religious intolerance, promised by the General Assembly in 1962, was never acted upon. Now, Mr. Cowen and company are claiming that anti-Semitism is, indeed, a matter of racial discrimination rendering it unsuitable for the resolution on religious intolerance. This self-serving reversal has been perversely justified in the name of the U.N.'s infamous 2001 Durban Racism Conference, which actually served as a platform for
Re: [CTRL] Gingrich: U.S. Went Off a Cliff in Iraq (DU)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/8/2003 1:43:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Have you ever read the Secret Treaty of Fort Hunt? No. Where do I find it? Prudy www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Is Freemasonry afraid of it`s own shadow?
-Caveat Lector- To Kris - I missed the whole point as to why you posted this article. I`ve researched this organization for close to a decade and this masonic author talks the same double talk as they all do. I`m curious as to your reason for posting this. I guessit went right over my head.Thanks M Maurer a soldier for Jesus Christ www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Gingrich: U.S. Went Off a Cliff in Iraq (DU)
-Caveat Lector- Sean, Kris observed, "Public pronouncements are meant to deceive." He is absolutely on target. My problem with most of your posts is that you insist we take the public pronouncements of these characters at face value. My comment on Newt Gingrich was to point out a tactic the CFR crowd uses over and over. That is to obtain the leadership of both groups in important disputes. Where was Gingrich when the Iraq war resolution was going through congress? Was he distracted by the sniper coverage as was most of the nation? Now Gingrich acts like he wants to be a leader of the anti-war movement. Another prime example of this tactic is George Soros. He is not just another member of the CFR, he sits on its board of directors. Now he is trying to buy the leadership of the "anti-Bush" crowd. Where was Soros when the CFR was putting Bush into office? The "good" cops like Gingrich and Soros (and Wesley Clark) don't appear on the scene until it is obvious there is significant public opinion against the "bad cops." We see the same tactic used in the environmental movement with the NWO crowd taking over groups like the Sierra Club, and the Nature Conservancy while CFR member Mikhail Gorbachev starts up Green Cross. \It's like a football game where one team is ripping off gains of fifteen yards a play by sending the fullback straight up the middle. They are going to keep doing it until the defense shows it can stop it. Spare us the public pronouncements of the CFR and NWO crowd. The only thing you can surmise from them is that is what they want us to believe. On rare occasions it might even be the truth Jim - Original Message - From: Kris Millegan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Gingrich: U.S. Went Off a Cliff in Iraq (DU) -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/8/03 9:20:56 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kris,I agree with your statement in the last paragraph that theWar Party is growing desperate andmay stage acts of terrorism to try to reignite war hysteria in the U.S. I've been expecting that ever since 9/11.What I have trouble believing is that Rove, Bush, Rumsfeld and Cheney went into the Iraq War with the certain expectation of failing and being disgraced. Have I misunderstood your argument here? Is that what you and Jim Rarey believe?McFraud, whilst, I have profound respect for Jim, why do you try and link our beliefs. Jim and I are quite capable of thinking for ourselves. You seem to think that the folks you named are in charge. Both Bush and Cheney's grandfathers were employed by the same man - a Democrat, no less. Public pronouncements are meant to decieve. I say that yes, these guys go to war for more than mom, flag and apple pie. and winning is a matter of public relations. Japan looted Asia of billions of loot and paid NO reperations. Have you ever read the Secret Treaty of Fort Hunt? When I look at the surpassing egos of these four gentlemen, it is difficult for me to believe that they would deliberately set themselves up to suffer public ruin. The experience of that would be excruciatingly painful for them. This is where my sense of psychological reality collides head on with some conspiracy theories.So you hold hostage history to your perceived realities of four guys ego's. Was it their ego's that got them there or a powerful cabal that plays to the house for the house? To believe that the Bush administration went into the Iraq War knowing that it would lose, I would need to see some convincing documentary proof. Speculation or theory alone wouldn't make the case for me.So what documentary "proof" do you have for your conspiracy theory. Peace, OmK To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om 2" www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Gingrich: U.S. Went Off a Cliff in Iraq (DU)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/8/03 11:44:32 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/8/2003 1:43:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Have you ever read the Secret Treaty of Fort Hunt? No. Where do I find it? Prudy It may be on the net, I have posted it before. It is available from prevailing Winds and is in my book, Fleshing Out Skull Bones. It is the deep story of Nazi Richard Gehlen and our "treaty" with him as a German national after WWII. It was first published in Covert Action Quarterly and is written by Carl Oglesby. Om K To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om 2">
Re: [CTRL] The Forgotten Books of Eden [a must view]
-Caveat Lector- Can you repost the link please On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 03:32, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- this link doesn't work www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om -- Regards, Daniel Harrison www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Gingrich: U.S. Went Off a Cliff in Iraq (DU)
-Caveat Lector- We are fighting (and doing a darned poor job of it) someone else's war hahaha its funny because its true hahaha On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 00:14, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/8/2003 3:11:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I see a Republican Party in disarray, as most of the predictions that were made by the chickenhawks before the war have been shattered by reality. They broke Iraq, and now they can't fix it. They have to cover their asses now, and they are struggling to find a graceful exit. The problem is, there is no graceful exit in sight -- only failure and humiliation. It's time the U.S. should realize that they've been drawn into a trap. We are fighting (and doing a darned poor job of it) someone else's war. The U.S. needs to understand that the enemy of our enemy is not necessarily our friend, but would be very glad to use our resources to achieve its own ends. After last night's sixty minutes, it appears that we are putting Saddam's bully boys back in charge. So much for freeing the Iraqi from their oppressors. It's just that now we get to oppress them too. Perhaps the search for Saddam is because we want to return him to his former position--kind of a classic full circle. Prudy www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om -- Regards, Daniel Harrison www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Dubya - The Perfect PNAC Presidential Puppet (Sheila Samples)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/8/2003 8:24:30 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: McFraud, Your missive below is classic cointelpro. Millegan, From the instant you started hurling false and libelous accusations regarding conspiratorial plots to "besmirch" your reputation and "hijack" cia-drugs, you destroyed what remained of your credibility and wrecked the list. Here you got trying to spread rumours about me by lying and trying to make me look "paranoid." I have only accused three personas of involvement in the use of forged emails. Please prove me wrong. My credibilty is fine and just because the CIA-Drugs list is not filled with your boilerplate BS anymore hasn't "wrecked the list." Quite the contrary, the list is more focused and is very productive in its topic area with a wider participation. The only plot to ruin you was in your head, and in executing this plot, you succeeded admirably. Again, you disparage me with no evidence. You are just cutting and running ... as you have done several times before. Brian Downing Quig, in the months before his death, fingered you as a Cointelpro op. No amount of accusing others of being Cointelpro ops is going to change that reality. Brian made the accusation to too many people in too many messages, none of which were forged. So now, your "According to reliable sources" turns out to be the late Brian Quig. You truly have no shame. Hiding behind your false name spreading lies and using Brian's death as part of your actions. Please post your post from Brian accuse me of being a COINTELPRO agent. Notice you never post any proof just more smears and innuendos. I am working from known and recognized facts - the emails, according to many who knew and spoke with Brian, were forged both by content and presentation. You have even accused me of forging them. There is the fact that in the second purported email was only "received" by you, Eastman and webfairy, three other very real people who were cc'd didnt receive the same said missive. It is a fact that you have been caught before inflating "evidence." It is a fact that you use rhetorical and technical devices used in cointelpro activities. I discouraged Brian from going down that path, and defended you at the time, but given subsequent events, one begins to wonder if he wasn't on to something. Oh, you are so noble, really jibes with your on-screen pronouncements at the time ... not. Why should we even begin to believe BS from some anonymous snipe. I don't want to waste any more of my daily message quota on this inane topic. There are too many important developments happening out there in the real world to discuss. Cut and running, couldn't resist some more subtle jibes, eh? If anyone has any questions about this controversy, feel free to contact me in private email, and I will explain what is going on. Yes, you will, explain in private, wouldn't lie to anybody now ... with nobody watching now would ya? Gee, seems kinda like cointelpro, now doesn't it. political-research, here http://groups.yahoo.com/group/political-research/ is also open to discussion on these and other matters related to deep politics, with the caveat that any personal attacks or flaming of the kind we have seen here are strongly discouraged. It's impossible to carry on a useful discussion with this kind of neurotic verbal abuse mucking up the works. So cute, McFraud, sometimes I am this big agent in some wild conspiracy theory other times I am just a dumb, nuerotic. McFraud, if you notice, my story doesn't change. And it was backed up by several real people. Who backs you up? Sniping, cutting and running is what McFraud does best though. Peace, Om K www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Newsletter #47
-Caveat Lector- www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om ---BeginMessage--- -Caveat Lector- Greetings from the Center for an Informed America (http://davesweb.cnchost.com/). Please forward this newsletter widely. If this was forwarded to you and you would like to receive future mailings, e-mail (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) a request to be added to this mailing list. NEWSLETTER #47 December 8, 2003 The DC Sniper Trial, Part III (http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr47.html) (Part I: http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr45.html) (Part II: http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr46.html) [Reader response to this series of newsletters has been decidedly mixed. Some of you have written to offer thanks. Others have wondered, as did one recent letter writer, why I am so distracted by this obvious distraction. To those readers, I pose the following question: Do you honestly believe that court proceedings that successfully erased the line between crime and 'terrorism,' establishing the legal precedent that domestic criminals can be labeled 'terrorists' and treated accordingly, is just a distraction? Or have you perhaps mistaken John Allen Muhammad for Michael Jackson?] The legendary Bushmaster rifle was purportedly found behind the hinged rear seat of the Snipermobile, but there are lingering questions about exactly how, and when, ownership of that weapon transferred from Bullseye Shooter Supply to John Allen Muhammad. Since that rifle has been referred to as the most important silent witness in this case, those questions are begging for answers -- answers that were not provided by any of the evidence introduced by the state. When investigators recovered the rifle, it was loaded and the safety was disengaged, but whoever had loaded it and disengaged the safety had done so without leaving prints on the weapon. Muhammad's prints were not found on either the rifle or the detached telescopic sight. Charles Colman of the BATFE claimed that Malvo's prints were lifted from the rifle, but those prints were from a position on the gun inconsistent with him having loaded or fired it. Brendan Shea, a DNA expert for the FBI, testified that although Muhammad's fingerprints were not found on the rifle, his DNA was. According to Shea, Muhammad's DNA was likely on the rifle's scope as well. That isn't surprising, I suppose, since Muhammad appears to have left his DNA everywhere; according to the L.A. Times, Muhammad's DNA was recovered at several murder scenes [according to] law enforcement technicians. Media reports made little mention of the purported DNA evidence. No explanation was given for how Muhammad managed to carelessly leave his DNA scattered over crime scenes. There is no indication that investigators recovered any blood, saliva or other bodily fluids. None of Muhammad's hairs were recovered. So where did the alleged DNA come from? Was Muhammad some sort of modern-day Johnny Appleseed who happily sprinkled individual strands of his DNA wherever he went? Malvo allegedly left a hair behind, at a location where artifacts of a crime were found. The bank bags that had been stolen from victim Paul LaRuffa were, not unlike the handgun in Alabama, discovered a full month after the crime was committed. Along with the bags was, inexplicably, a shirt that contained the hair. The hair was not on the bank bags themselves, mind you, but on the shirt that was with the bags ... the shirt that was with the bags that were found, oddly enough, in the woods directly behind the law offices of Virginia State Senator Thomas V. Miller. Investigators discovered that a notch had been cut in the trunk of the Snipermobile, and that notch, together with the hinged rear seat, constituted what police creatively described as a mobile
[CTRL] Fwd: www.whatareweswallowing.com
-Caveat Lector- www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om ---BeginMessage--- -Caveat Lector- ATISHOO! ATISHOO! WE ALL FALL DOWN? Is the flu such a dreaded disease? steven ransom There have been many instances over recent years that show how governments and media oulets are adept at creating unnecessary mass anxiety over disease. With the news that UK supermarket Asda (Walmart subsidiary) is now offering the flu jab on-site to its customers (at the bargain price of 97 as opposed to the normal 00), readers are strongly encouraged to acquaint themselves with the tawdry, unethical nature of today so-called lu protectionogrammes, before rolling up their sleeves. FLU! SUCH A DREADED DISEASE? We can all remember the headlines over the last few winters: iller Flu On The Way!ew Super Flu Heading for the UK.ritain Braces Itself for an Epidemic.r several years now, every UK newspaper at one time or another has led with graphic accounts of a flu plague threatening to engulf Britain. Take this frenzied headline from The Sunday Mirror, as far back as the 28th September, 1997: MILLIONS AT RISK FROM KILLER FLU - Doctors are preparing for a massive outbreak of killer flu this winter. Millions of people are expected to die worldwide as a new strain of super-bug sweeps the globe. And with 10 million people in a high-risk category in Britain, the Government has already alerted hospitals - and mortuaries - to the threat. A detailed document sets out how the health service will cope with arge numbers of people ill and dyingd includes mortuary arrangements for a large number of deaths. And the result? No flu pandemic. The lack of any flu plague anywhere across the globe has not brought a halt to these iller fluont page specials. If anything, the inane headlines are increasing in frequency and intensity. Take the following ealth scoopom USA Today, dated December 3rd 2003: The warning sirens are screaming: A deadly, contagious strain of flu will emerge, possibly soon, flu experts say, and the world is not ready to deal with it. he world will be in deep trouble if the impending influenza pandemic strikes this week, this month, or even this year,ite international flu experts Richard Webby and Robert Webster of St. Jude Children Research Hospital in Memphis. And this latest from the UK Daily Express, dated 23rd October 2003: Killer flu hits Britain. Alarmed Health experts warned all doctors that high-risk categories e elderly and those with heart problems ould be vaccinated. The mutant virus has swept through Australia where it is blamed for thousands of deaths in the worst flu outbreak for five years. But with no flu outbreaks ever emerging and the death rates in these stories, as we shall discover, always wildly exaggerated, just where were all these headlines coming from? Credence Publications has been following the flu headlines for a number of years now. Predictably, these flu editorials have been nothing more than a pharmaceutical sales pitch. In short, they are a complete scam. It was the following report from the BBC, that prompted our initial investigation into the matter: he number of those catching the flu bug has risen by more than 80% in just seven days and hospitals and ambulance services are bracing themselves for a further tide of emergency admissions and deaths. Provisional figures released on Wednesday by the Royal College of General Practitioners (RCGP) showed the first large rise in cases in the south as the virus spreads from the North and the Midlands. As the Emergency Bed Service issued a warning that hospitals may run out of beds, it emerged on Wednesday that a second Norfolk hospital is using a refrigerated lorry trailer to act as a standby mortuary.] HARDLY AN EPIDEMIC Great
[CTRL] Fwd: [ctrl] Joint Task Force Told Face to Face, Blackout was a Military Test-...
-Caveat Lector- www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om ---BeginMessage--- -Caveat Lector- ah ha finally admission to what we suspected Joint Task Force Told Face to Face, Blackout was a Military Test Oliver J. Midelson At an under publicized public comment meeting, which was publicly 'announced' by a Department of Energy news release, Michael Kane outlined his report, published at Global Free Press, stating that the August 14th blackout was part and parcel to a multi-faceted military test. The Task Force was very attentive, attempting to take notes as fast as Michael spoke. His comments can be heard in Windows Media player format (now playing). They were the last comments made to the panel. It was a snowy Friday afternoon in Manhattan and very few people showed up. Both Forbes and the Akron Beacon Journal left out Michael's comments in their coverage of the New York pubic comment meeting. Once again the mainstream media completely fails the public, and Global Free Press is the only publication brave enough to run the real coverage of this so-called 'public' comment meeting. How public can it be if no one reports it? The New Media such as GFP, FTW, INN, SGTV, and many more are proving to be our only salvation. Michael made the only interesting comments given the entire day with the exception of Carole Dortch-Wright, who spoke on behalf of New Jersey Governor James McGreevey. The NY Times, who had a reporter present at this meeting, seem to have provided no coverage in their Saturday edition. For the record, I personally saw Michael's report handed to the NY Times reporter. Hopefully they are saving it for their Sunday edition, but I won't hold my breath. Very few people showed up to the public comment meeting in Cleveland, Ohio on December 4th, prompting Rep. Dennis Kucinich and four other members of Congress to accuse the D.O.E. of failing to adequately notify the public, according to the Akron Beacon Journal The first point Michael made was that the Task Force Interim Report failed to address the possibility of Electro Magnetic Pulses causing the blackout. He noted that it is known HAARP was turned on at 4pm on August 14th, just 11 minutes before the blackout occurred. He stated the Air Force should be contacted and required to turn over all documentation pertaining to what HAARP was used for on that day. Michael detailed the aerial aerosol spray operation he witnessed the night of the blackout, as well as referencing the proximity of the Determined Promise '03 national military drills announced just one day after the blackout. He also mentioned he received a report that the Canadian border was militarized at 1pm on August 14th, just three hours before the blackout, in the Mohawk River Valley region. Why? article and audio here: http://www.prisonplanet.com/120803blackout.html Joint Task Force Told Face to Face, Blackout was a Military Test Dr. Nawal Kamel appeared to be pleased to hear Mr. Kane's comments, as he was the only person who appealed to the Task Force as a citizen void of any special interest. In addition to this, Senior Policy Advisor James Glotfelty was nodding his head up and down as Michael began to speak of PD-16. Wayne Madsen has revealed National Security Presidential Directive 16 (PD-16) gave the president authority to wage cyber-warfare against other countries, including bringing down their power grids. Michael pointed out we do not know if any elements of PD-16 pertain to North America. He continued by referencing Tommy Franks' recent comments in Cigar Aficionado. General Franks' stated if another terrorist attack occurs in America, the Constitution would be scrapped for a military government. Visibly upset by this outrageous statement, Michael put down his prepared statement and made a much-needed comparison to the current 'independent' commission to
Re: [CTRL] Gingrich: U.S. Went Off a Cliff in Iraq (DU)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/8/2003 4:09:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It may be on the net, I have posted it before. It is available from prevailing Winds and is in my book, Fleshing Out Skull Bones. It is the deep story of Nazi Richard Gehlen and our "treaty" with him as a German national after WWII. It was first published in Covert Action Quarterly and is written by Carl Oglesby. Thank you. Prudy www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: Butler verdict perplexes
-Caveat Lector- Why were the smuggling charges dropped? Here is the reason. First reports were: Dr. Butler is also charged with shipping plague samples without the proper permits and illegally bringing the samples back from Tanzania. He had driven samples in his car to two federal laboratories: an office of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Fort Collins, Colo., and the Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases in Maryland. They got Butler to say he detroyed the samples because they didn't want to talk about where they really went in open court. Now why would our biowarfare guys at CDC and Fort Detrick want an African strain of the plague? JR http://www.biomedcentral.com/news/20031208/06 Butler verdict perplexes Scientists' reactions vary, but most want more information following partial guilty finding | By John Dudley Miller While several prominent scientists who have publicly supported Thomas Butlerthe Texas Tech professor found guilty last week of fraud and improper shipping of plaguebelieve his acquittal on charges of smuggling and lying to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) is a vindication the renowned researcher's essential innocence, at least a few researchers think his convictions prove his partial guilt. Several refuse to comment. But what nearly all who spoke to The Scientist agree on is that so little detailed information about the case has been communicated to the public that it's impossible to know exactly what Butler did. The thing that many of us are at this time suffering from is we just do not understand what in heavens name went on, said D.A. Henderson, a professor in the University of Pittsburgh's new Center for Civilian Biodefense Strategies. This is what we find very frustrating, he said. On December 2, a jury in Lubbock, Texas, found the Texas Tech professor not guilty of smuggling plague specimens into the United States and then lying to the FBI that 30 vials of them were missing when he knew he had destroyed them. Of the original 15 counts, he was convicted only of improperly shipping a plague sample back to Tanzania, where he has conducting research. However, the same jury also convicted Butler on 44 of 54 counts of defrauding Texas Tech in a totally unrelated matter. The jury agreed that the shadow contracts he signed with two drug companies illegally gave him part of the payments the school would otherwise have received for his services. The jury found him not guilty of evading taxes on those payments. Butler reportedly reacted positively to the split verdict. He's happy that the main charges of lying and spreading plague [resulted in acquittals], said William Greenough, a university professor and former colleague of Butler's who spoke to him the morning after the jury returned the verdicts. I'd say he's much more upbeat, Greenough said. Butler plans to appeal the fraud convictions, Greenough said, on the grounds that the charges between him and the university on the finances are really an internal matter based on what his university's regulations are for consultancy fees and overhead. When a reported 60 FBI agents descended on Butler's Texas Tech lab on January 14, they interrogated him over 2 continuous days, letting him go home for only 2 hours in between. Butler eventually signed a statement saying he had destroyed the 30 vials before he reported them missing. He later recanted that confession, claiming the FBI had promised him that if he would sign it, they would close the case and let him go free. As a result, several scientists and scientific organizations have come out in support of Butler, protesting the government's tactics. Such organizations have claimed that his prosecution will have a chilling effect on bioterrorism research, leading new researchers not to get into the field. But last week, Ronald Atlas, former president of the American Society for Microbiology, disagreed. At this point, I have not seen evidence that would support the notion that the [Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's Select Agent Security] regulations are having a chilling impact, the University of Louisville professor wrote The Scientist in an E-mail interview. My experience is that rooms at meetings concerning biodefense research funding are filled (overfilled). Furthermore, Atlas suggested that scientists' support for and mere interest in Butler's situation may be much weaker than news stories about his supporters might otherwise indicate. I have not experienced any great outpouring of concern nor necessarily awareness of the issues, he said. Stanley Falkow, professor of microbiology and immunology and of medicine at Stanford University, said the government's tactic of adding on the unrelated fraud charges 8 months later upsets him. I'm not sure that this will calm anyone's fears, he wrote in an E-mail interview, certainly not mine. Atlas and Henderson
Re: [CTRL] Gingrich: U.S. Went Off a Cliff in Iraq (DU)
-Caveat Lector- Jim, I never believe in taking public pronouncements at face value. I'm always looking for solid documentation that contradicts or undercuts public pronouncements. That Newt Gingrich, Wesley Clark and others are political opportunistswho can reverse their positions at the drop of a hat due to changing circumstances is obvious. I don't dispute that. What I was questioning was the thesis that the Bush administration went into the Iraq War with the deliberate intention of losing it, as part of a pre-planned CFR Hegelian dialectic of some kind. To support that thesis, I would need to see some evidence. Rove, Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld are not gentlemen who like to lose or look like losers in the public eye. Smart Republicans have begun to realize that the Iraq War is a mess and a political disaster. They are rapidly repositioning themselves to accommodate that reality. The really smart Republicans opposed the war in the first place. I also agree that the CFR, at the top,is enormously powerful, and tries to control all sides of every argument in both major parties. This doesn't mean that the CFR manipulated a scheme to deliberately lose the war. No doubt, however, the CFR is quick on its feet in adjusting to the reality of the loss of the war. Bush, for the CFR, is perfectly disposable, as is any president. The CFR as a whole always seems to land on its feet, regardless of what happens. It was cunningly designed that way. - Original Message - From: Jim Rarey To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Gingrich: U.S. Went Off a Cliff in Iraq (DU) -Caveat Lector- Sean, Kris observed, "Public pronouncements are meant to deceive." He is absolutely on target. My problem with most of your posts is that you insist we take the public pronouncements of these characters at face value. My comment on Newt Gingrich was to point out a tactic the CFR crowd uses over and over. That is to obtain the leadership of both groups in important disputes. Where was Gingrich when the Iraq war resolution was going through congress? Was he distracted by the sniper coverage as was most of the nation? Now Gingrich acts like he wants to be a leader of the anti-war movement. Another prime example of this tactic is George Soros. He is not just another member of the CFR, he sits on its board of directors. Now he is trying to buy the leadership of the "anti-Bush" crowd. Where was Soros when the CFR was putting Bush into office? The "good" cops like Gingrich and Soros (and Wesley Clark) don't appear on the scene until it is obvious there is significant public opinion against the "bad cops." We see the same tactic used in the environmental movement with the NWO crowd taking over groups like the Sierra Club, and the Nature Conservancy while CFR member Mikhail Gorbachev starts up Green Cross. \It's like a football game where one team is ripping off gains of fifteen yards a play by sending the fullback straight up the middle. They are going to keep doing it until the defense shows it can stop it. Spare us the public pronouncements of the CFR and NWO crowd. The only thing you can surmise from them is that is what they want us to believe. On rare occasions it might even be the truth Jim www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Israel trains US assassination squads in Iraq (Julian Borger)
Title: Guardian | Israel trains US assassination squads in Iraq -Caveat Lector- http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,4815008-103550,00.html Israel trains US assassination squads in Iraq Julian Borger in WashingtonTuesday December 9, 2003The Guardian Israeli advisers are helping train US special forces in aggressive counter-insurgency operations in Iraq, including the use of assassination squads against guerrilla leaders, US intelligence and military sources said yesterday. The Israeli Defence Force (IDF) has sent urban warfare specialists to Fort Bragg in North Carolina, the home of US special forces, and according to two sources, Israeli military "consultants" have also visited Iraq. US forces in Iraq's Sunni triangle have already begun to use tactics that echo Israeli operations in the occupied territories, sealing off centres of resistance with razor wire and razing buildings from where attacks have been launched against US troops. But the secret war in Iraq is about to get much tougher, in the hope of suppressing the Ba'athist-led insurgency ahead of next November's presidential elections. US special forces teams are already behind the lines inside Syria attempting to kill foreign jihadists before they cross the border, and a group focused on the "neutralisation" of guerrilla leaders is being set up, according to sources familiar with the operations. "This is basically an assassination programme. That is what is being conceptualised here. This is a hunter-killer team," said a former senior US intelligence official, who added that he feared the new tactics and enhanced cooperation with Israel would only inflame a volatile situation in the Middle East. "It is bonkers, insane. Here we are - we're already being compared to Sharon in the Arab world, and we've just confirmed it by bringing in the Israelis and setting up assassination teams." "They are being trained by Israelis in Fort Bragg," a well-informed intelligence source in Washington said. "Some Israelis went to Iraq as well, not to do training, but for providing consultations." The consultants' visit to Iraq was confirmed by another US source who was in contact with American officials there. The Pentagon did not return calls seeking comment, but a military planner, Brigadier General Michael Vane, mentioned the cooperation with Israel in a letter to Army magazine in July about the Iraq counter-insurgency campaign. "We recently travelled to Israel to glean lessons learned from their counterterrorist operations in urban areas," wrote General Vane, deputy chief of staff at the army's training and doctrine command. An Israeli official said the IDF regularly shared its experience in the West Bank and Gaza with the US armed forces, but said he could not comment about cooperation in Iraq. "When we do activities, the US military attaches in Tel Aviv are interested. I assume it's the same as the British. That's the way allies work. The special forces come to our people and say, do debrief on an operation we have done," the official said. "Does it affect Iraq? It's not in our interest or the American interest or in anyone's interest to go into that. It would just fit in with jihadist prejudices." Colonel Ralph Peters, a former army intelligence officer and a critic of Pentagon policy in Iraq, said yesterday there was nothing wrong with learning lessons wherever possible. "When we turn to anyone for insights, it doesn't mean we blindly accept it," Col Peters said. "But I think what you're seeing is a new realism. The American tendency is to try to win all the hearts and minds. In Iraq, there are just some hearts and minds you can't win. Within the bounds of human rights, if you do make an example of certain villages it gets the attention of the others, and attacks have gone down in the area." The new counter-insurgency unit made up of elite troops being put together in the Pentagon is called Task Force 121, New Yorker magazine reported in yesterday's edition. One of the planners behind the offensive is a highly controversial figure, whose role is likely to inflame Muslim opinion: Lieutenant General William "Jerry" Boykin. In October, there were calls for his resignation after he told a church congregation in Oregon that the US was at war with Satan, who "wants to destroy us as a Christian army". "He's been promoted a rank above his abilities," he said. "Some generals are pretty good on battlefield but are disastrous nearer the source of power." Guardian Unlimited © Guardian Newspapers Limited 2003 www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread
[CTRL] U.S. Adopts New Tactics in Iraq Guerrilla War
Title: Wired News -Caveat Lector- More on the Israelization of American political culture and military doctrine: Story location: http://wireservice.wired.com/wired/story.asp?section=BreakingstoryId=804941tw=wn_wire_story U.S. Adopts New Tactics in Iraq Guerrilla War Monday, December 08, 2003 3:31 p.m. ET By Charles Aldinger WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. military has adopted tough new tactics against guerrillas in Iraq, arresting relatives of insurgents and destroying houses used to plan attacks against American troops, defense officials said on Monday. But the officials denied the move was modeled on hard-nosed tactics used by Israeli forces in Gaza and the West Bank, despite visits by U.S. military officers to Israel this year to discuss urban combat with Israel Defense Forces (IDF). "In recent weeks, we have begun using a much-increased tempo of taking the fight to remnants of the former regime to prevent them from planning and carrying out attacks on our people," one of the U.S. defense officials, who asked not to be identified, told Reuters. "This is new in that we are engaging (attacking) buildings for two reasons - if we find they were used to plan or launch strikes against our forces, or if we have information that arms were being made or kept there for attacks," the official added. Another confirmed a New York Times report that some family members of guerrillas wanted by the military were being arrested. But he said it was not a pressure tactic to coerce insurgents to surrender. "We don't do kidnapping. We are arresting relatives if it becomes known that they are coordinating with those high-value targets that we are seeking, or if they have information where fugitives are holding out," the official said. The Times reported from Iraq that at least one whole Iraqi village had been surrounded by razor wire as part of the crackdown, forcing residents to enter and leave through an American military checkpoint. That is similar to isolation tactics used by Israel in its war with insurgents. ADVICE FROM ISRAEL ON URBAN TACTICS Brig. Gen. Michael Vane, a senior officer in the U.S. Army's Doctrine and Training Command, said in a letter to Army magazine in July that American officers had gone to Israel to discuss urban combat and intelligence with the IDF. "Although there is much work to be done, it is inaccurate to characterize our thinking and doctrine on urban warfare as anachronistic. Experience continues to teach us many lessons, and we continue to evaluate and incorporate them appropriately into our concepts, doctrine and training," wrote Vane. "For example, we recently traveled to Israel to glean lessons learned from their counterterrorist operations in urban areas," added the general, deputy chief of staff for doctrine concepts and strategy. "There is a fair amount of military intellectual discussion that goes on between the U.S. Army and the IDF," Harvey Perritt, a spokesman for the training command, told Reuters on Monday. He said Vane was apparently referring to a visit to Israel in January, months before the Iraq War began. Pentagon officials cautioned against drawing any direct parallel between Israeli tactics against guerrillas on the West Bank and the new U.S. moves in Iraq. "We made this decision to adopt a much more aggressive stance based on the conditions at hand, not on what is going on elsewhere," said one official. In one recent incident, the U.S. military used a bulldozer last week to knock down the front wall of a small compound owned by an elderly couple in the Iraqi village of Hawija west of Kirkuk after troops found a large cache of explosives in the house. An order was at first given to completely destroy the house, but an American officer later relented. One soldier told reporters the threat to destroy the house had been a ruse to make the elderly woman provide information. Copyright © 2003 Reuters Limited. Wired News: Staff | Contact Us | Advertising | RSSWe are translated daily into Spanish, Portuguese, and Japanese © Copyright 2003, Lycos, Inc. All Rights Reserved.Your use of this website constitutes acceptance of the Lycos Privacy Policy and Terms Conditions Note: You are reading this message either because you can not see our css files (served from Akamai for performance reasons), or because you do not have a standards-compliant browser. Read our design notes for details. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always
