Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride
-Caveat Lector- Nessie, Please stop posting such decent sensible opinions on this list. You are really upsetting the loonies, and the bigots. Please, do be more considerate. Joshua2 == Nessie wrote: > > -Caveat Lector- > > A person on this list who had run out of posts for the day responded > privately to something I said on the subject a day or two ago. I think > some of what I said in private is worth repeating in public here. Im > not setting up a straw man here. This exchange really happened. Im just > protecting the privacy of the person, as Id do for any of you. I never > reveal my sources. > > But I think the rest of you also might be interested in what I said. I > hope so, anywayy. Some of you really, really need to hear it from > somebody. > > So heres an excerpt: > > *** > > This person wanted to know why they emphasize their sexuality to the > exclusion of everything else > > So I said: > > Im not sure who you mean here by they. If you mean individuals that > you know personally, you should ask them, not me. If youre talking > about images in the media, you should be aware that the media distorts > reality for economic reasons. There is a vast gulf between what we see > on TV and real life. > > Some of them refuse hide who they are, I say good for them. Think of it > as ethnic pride. Not all Gay people partake in Gay culture, but those > who do, and show it off in public, are no different that African > Americans who wear dashikis during Kwaanza or Irish Americans who wear > green on St. Patricks day. The desire to display pride in who your > People are is a natural part of the human condition. Everybody does it. > People define who their People are differently, thats all. To some > its an ethnic thing, To others, it all about which language they speak. > To some its a matter of nationality. To some its sexual orientation. > > Keep in mind, though, that not all Gay people partake in Gay culture. > The majority are passing. You yourself almost undoubtedly have Gay > friends and dont know it. > > Let me tell you a little something about passing. As youve probably > guessed by now, nessie isnt my real name. My real name is a fairly > generic Irish name. There are even a couple famous people who share it. > It used to be preceded by O but when my family came here in the last > century, they dropped the O because that was the best way to get a > decent job. So I come from a long of passers. I know what Im talking > about. Passing is as American as sleeping on Indian graves. > > I have a pretty good friend whos bisexual. He says its like being a > Black Puerto Rican. As long as you shut up, nobody knows who you really > are. When he told me that, I suddenly understood. Its all about > choosing to pass or not to pass. Most people are lazy, They take one > look at you and assume they know who and what you are. They never > bother to actually find out. Its too much effort. If a Gay person > doesnt want you to know, you dont know. And they are everywhere. > Everybody who has more than a handful of friends had Gay friends, > whether they know it or not. If they dont know it, its their own > fault. > > Except for Jews and Africans, nobody but Gays have caught more flak here > for being who they are than the Irish. But eventually, people got used > to the idea that we might act a bit strange about some things but were > damn handy to have on the team. So we dont have to pass anymore. For > the most part, this has also happened to Jews and Italians. Now its > beginning to happen to Africans and Asians. Its high time it happened > to Gays, too. Gay people have contributed to American culture and > prosperity to a degree far out of proportion to thier numbers. Give them > credit where credit is due. > > As a life long American, I cant speak for other cultures, but from what > I hear, its pretty much the same wherever. Gay people give more to > every society in which they live (i.e. every society on the planet) than > they get back. Its time we gave them back a little. At the very least > we ought to show them the common courtesy that we show each other. They > have as much right to be proud of who they are as you do. Respect that > right. Dont be so boorish as to insult them in public. And dont insult > them in front of me. Thats some of my personal friends youre > insulting. Howd you like it if I insulted your personal friends in > public? > > Theres a lot of stuff on the tube right now about Gay life because its > Gay Pride week. Its like the run up to St. Patricks Day. Every March > we see endless reruns of Finnians Rainbow, The Hanging Gale and the > Brothers McMullen. But nobody on CTRL bemoans the pro-Irish bias of > the media that week. Whats up with that? > > > > This person also expressed concern that the media was exposing chi
Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride
-Caveat Lector- A person on this list who had run out of posts for the day responded privately to something I said on the subject a day or two ago. I think some of what I said in private is worth repeating in public here. Im not setting up a straw man here. This exchange really happened. Im just protecting the privacy of the person, as Id do for any of you. I never reveal my sources. But I think the rest of you also might be interested in what I said. I hope so, anywayy. Some of you really, really need to hear it from somebody. So heres an excerpt: *** This person wanted to know why they emphasize their sexuality to the exclusion of everything else So I said: Im not sure who you mean here by they. If you mean individuals that you know personally, you should ask them, not me. If youre talking about images in the media, you should be aware that the media distorts reality for economic reasons. There is a vast gulf between what we see on TV and real life. Some of them refuse hide who they are, I say good for them. Think of it as ethnic pride. Not all Gay people partake in Gay culture, but those who do, and show it off in public, are no different that African Americans who wear dashikis during Kwaanza or Irish Americans who wear green on St. Patricks day. The desire to display pride in who your People are is a natural part of the human condition. Everybody does it. People define who their People are differently, thats all. To some its an ethnic thing, To others, it all about which language they speak. To some its a matter of nationality. To some its sexual orientation. Keep in mind, though, that not all Gay people partake in Gay culture. The majority are passing. You yourself almost undoubtedly have Gay friends and dont know it. Let me tell you a little something about passing. As youve probably guessed by now, nessie isnt my real name. My real name is a fairly generic Irish name. There are even a couple famous people who share it. It used to be preceded by O but when my family came here in the last century, they dropped the O because that was the best way to get a decent job. So I come from a long of passers. I know what Im talking about. Passing is as American as sleeping on Indian graves. I have a pretty good friend whos bisexual. He says its like being a Black Puerto Rican. As long as you shut up, nobody knows who you really are. When he told me that, I suddenly understood. Its all about choosing to pass or not to pass. Most people are lazy, They take one look at you and assume they know who and what you are. They never bother to actually find out. Its too much effort. If a Gay person doesnt want you to know, you dont know. And they are everywhere. Everybody who has more than a handful of friends had Gay friends, whether they know it or not. If they dont know it, its their own fault. Except for Jews and Africans, nobody but Gays have caught more flak here for being who they are than the Irish. But eventually, people got used to the idea that we might act a bit strange about some things but were damn handy to have on the team. So we dont have to pass anymore. For the most part, this has also happened to Jews and Italians. Now its beginning to happen to Africans and Asians. Its high time it happened to Gays, too. Gay people have contributed to American culture and prosperity to a degree far out of proportion to thier numbers. Give them credit where credit is due. As a life long American, I cant speak for other cultures, but from what I hear, its pretty much the same wherever. Gay people give more to every society in which they live (i.e. every society on the planet) than they get back. Its time we gave them back a little. At the very least we ought to show them the common courtesy that we show each other. They have as much right to be proud of who they are as you do. Respect that right. Dont be so boorish as to insult them in public. And dont insult them in front of me. Thats some of my personal friends youre insulting. Howd you like it if I insulted your personal friends in public? Theres a lot of stuff on the tube right now about Gay life because its Gay Pride week. Its like the run up to St. Patricks Day. Every March we see endless reruns of Finnians Rainbow, The Hanging Gale and the Brothers McMullen. But nobody on CTRL bemoans the pro-Irish bias of the media that week. Whats up with that? This person also expressed concern that the media was exposing children to sex before they were old enough to be responsible enough to handle it. As a parent myself, I feel qualified to address this. Ive been fairly promiscuous by American standards. Im fairly promiscuous by American standards. Ive always had open relationships. Im in one now. To me, recreational sex is a past time. Its what I do instead of take drugs, collect stamps or surf. I never tried to hide my sex life from my kid. I alway
Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride- a churches guidlines
-Caveat Lector- no mention of homoseuals (funnily enough.. pah) only mention of paedophiles (non-gendertype) only mention of children (non-gendertype) anyone scared of homosexuals interfering with children in their care are deluding themselves about the real problem. anyone scared of their children turning homo cause of influence of homosexuals might be right tho, but only to the extent that the children will be led to believe it is ok to be gay so that if they do feel that way they are more likely to feel unashamed about expressing it. incidentally is this a "true" conservative or a liberal standpoint to have? any comments? and the real argument might be "nature or nurture?" if nature then the above stands. if nurture then the argument alters to deciding if homosexuality is acceptable or an abomination ~ Church Policy An Introduction to Child Protection. With everything that is happening world wide it is important that every organisation takes the necessary steps to protect the children and young people who are entrusted into their care. Under the Children's Act 1989 (UK) we all have a responsibility for the well-being of children. How can the church take up this responsibility? In the following document I hope to give you some thoughts and information that will help. Let us start by asking two questions: 1. Who are we seeking to protect? First and foremost the children in our care, second, people working with children and third, the organisation. 2. Who are we seeking to protect the children from? Anyone who would abuse. This includes the attentions of paedophiles (a paedophile is someone who is sexually attracted to children). I am told paedophiles are not normally opportunist and will go to the extent of taking several years to gain a position of trust within an organisation, and, from this established position, abuse. With this in mind, a child protection policy is the best form of protection we can offer our young people. A paedophile who is looking to target a church will think again where there is a pro-active policy and action taken on every allegation. Every church should, therefore, have stated guidelines for the operation of all ministries and projects where young people are involved and a policy to deal with any allegations of abuse. If church leaders are not pro-active in their efforts to protect children in this way then they are negligent in their duty. Some church leaders see their responsibility only in terms of reacting in certain ways once a situation has occurred, this is like closing the stable door after the horse has bolted. Only here we are not talking of livestock, but people's lives that can be damaged in the most hideous ways imaginable. We need to move the emphasis away from abuse and towards protection, the aim is to prevent abuse happening, rather than only getting involved once damage has been done. If you are a member of a church, ask your leadership what their stated policy is for the protection of children. Don't be satisfied with anything less than a recognised policy. Remember we are all responsible for the well-being of children. - Original Message - From: "c." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride > -Caveat Lector- > > - Original Message - > From: "Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 10:06 AM > Subject: Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride > > > > -Caveat Lector- > > > > On 23 Jun 01, at 9:26, c. wrote: > > > > > sure, give us lists of abused scouts- but balance it with lists of > abused > > > choirboys, students, whatever. > > > there seems to be an inordinate amount of this bullshit on CTRL these > past > > > weeks about "gay" "conspiracy" and most of it seems to be about > reinforcing > > > prejudice rather than sound research. > > > > Many priests are pedophiles. > > yes, that was my point- some of our christian friends who condemn > paedophiles as homosexuals seem to forget the huge influence religous orgs > have had on the way paedophiles work. i do not hear them bleeting about the > way "gays" have infiltrated the catholic church the same way i hear about > them in the scout movement. > PAEDOPHILES not homos. > has to keep being said. > the descriptions sent by el saba are not abut homosexual influence on our > children, that is an entirely different issue- and does not involve abuse. > > aleisha- fair enough be paranoid or worried about gay influence but leave > out the abuse stories- they are not related in any way. > > http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER > == >
Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: "Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride > -Caveat Lector- > > On 23 Jun 01, at 9:26, c. wrote: > > > sure, give us lists of abused scouts- but balance it with lists of abused > > choirboys, students, whatever. > > there seems to be an inordinate amount of this bullshit on CTRL these past > > weeks about "gay" "conspiracy" and most of it seems to be about reinforcing > > prejudice rather than sound research. > > Many priests are pedophiles. yes, that was my point- some of our christian friends who condemn paedophiles as homosexuals seem to forget the huge influence religous orgs have had on the way paedophiles work. i do not hear them bleeting about the way "gays" have infiltrated the catholic church the same way i hear about them in the scout movement. PAEDOPHILES not homos. has to keep being said. the descriptions sent by el saba are not abut homosexual influence on our children, that is an entirely different issue- and does not involve abuse. aleisha- fair enough be paranoid or worried about gay influence but leave out the abuse stories- they are not related in any way. http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride
-Caveat Lector- On 23 Jun 01, at 9:26, c. wrote: > sure, give us lists of abused scouts- but balance it with lists of abused > choirboys, students, whatever. > there seems to be an inordinate amount of this bullshit on CTRL these past > weeks about "gay" "conspiracy" and most of it seems to be about reinforcing > prejudice rather than sound research. Many priests are pedophiles. And many religious people engage in 'swinging' and 'wife swapping', a male-dominated term that I suspect is most popular in a certain cult beginning with M. I guess it is a kind of 'forbidden fruit'. "Religion, the ultimate aphrodisiac. Religion, the ultimate mind control technique" "Your own personal Jesus." --Depeche Mode Steve ANOMALOUS IMAGES http://www.anomalous-images.com http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride
-Caveat Lector- it isn't gay men who are molesting children. it is paedophiles. don't any of you homophobe paranoiacs know enough of what you are writing about to tell the difference? sure, give us lists of abused scouts- but balance it with lists of abused choirboys, students, whatever. there seems to be an inordinate amount of this bullshit on CTRL these past weeks about "gay" "conspiracy" and most of it seems to be about reinforcing prejudice rather than sound research. - Original Message - From: "Aleisha Saba" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 4:03 AM Subject: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride > "Instead of punishing the Scouts for "discriminating" against > homosexuals, communities and groups like the United Way should applaud > the Boy Scouts leadership for its efforts to protect boys from child > molesters." http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride
-Caveat Lector- there is a word that crops up a lot in my reply- evidence. there is no support ofr your arguments. at least i managed to give you Souter's own statistics. what have you given me? inuendo and urban myth. - Original Message - From: "Andrew Hennessey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 1:14 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride > -Caveat Lector- > > > sent out- 3970712 > > voted for retaining- 1094440 > > (souter's own figures) > > More people voted against the gays than would normally vote at > ANY GENERAL ELECTION > what does that tell you ??? show me the supporting evidence for your claim. show me the stats, boy > > why are > > you obsessed with bringing children into the discussion? > The discussion as far as I'm concerned is ONLY about young children being > educated out of context at school show me the evidence that it happened before section 28. you won't find any evidence to back up your spurious claim > Portillo is a creep with no bearing on this thread - we're talking > about forcing homosexual issues onto VERY YOUNG unready minds here - > not some teenager making life choices why are we talking about children? who ever mentioned them except homophobes? > > > your determind suggestion that their was some kind of "gay" blocking > > democracy truly gives away your ignorance- > > the guy in charge of the Government Agency that Oversees Polls is a gay, name him then and show evidence that he is gay. > I'm not ignorant of that fact - nor do I believe that that fact is > irrelevant > since by Blocking the Official route to Souter, Souters impact on the > democratic > process was lessened. > and its a fact that a Gay Political pressure Group - ILLEGALLY created a > non-existent membership and petition out of all the gays they could find > on the International internet and used it to make the Scottish parliament > pass the progay legislation as though it had been an unbiased poll. show me more details of this. i am not sure if i believe anything you say- i need references here, andy baby. > > because, andy, you don't have to > > be gay to fight homophobia > > your using newage PC babble on me - uh what? > I am no such thing you are no such what? let me put it another way- i am not gay but i am fighting a homophobe- you. ergo i do not need to be gay to fight homophobia. get me now? - look at what I say next and how you take it out of > context - > > > > oh yeah, you said > > > > "difference between hormone based gender and artificial homosexual > > psychology" > > > > you're teasing me , right? *wink* > > > no - I'm pointing out that the MAJORITY of young children do not need > confusion of gender issues written into their school timetables it never was written into the timetables of young children. you cannot say otherwise BECAUSE > they have NO PREDISPOSITION TO EVER BE GAY - > and that that fact can be scientifically verified by an analysis of their > hormones > and or DNA not sure i have seen evidence of ythis either - and hence there is No need to make their education of > homosexual issues ok, so no need to teach about any sexual practice then. important to note that the anti-homophobic movements tend to only ask that homosexuality is not demonised rather than promoted. > a GREATER priority than their understanding of heterosexuality. > And using science, we can tell that if they don't know or are unsure - > its because of the problems that > society has loaded them with eg. homosexual schoolbooks. show me evidence of even one single gay schoolbook. just one. > IE. THEIR CONFUSION IS ARTIFICIAL > > > > http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER > == > CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic > screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are > sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- > directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with > major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. > That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and > always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no > credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. > > Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. > > Archives Available at: > http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html > http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html&q
Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride
-Caveat Lector- > sent out- 3970712 > voted for retaining- 1094440 > (souter's own figures) More people voted against the gays than would normally vote at ANY GENERAL ELECTION what does that tell you ??? why are > you obsessed with bringing children into the discussion? The discussion as far as I'm concerned is ONLY about young children being educated out of context at school Portillo is a creep with no bearing on this thread - we're talking about forcing homosexual issues onto VERY YOUNG unready minds here - not some teenager making life choices > your determind suggestion that their was some kind of "gay" blocking > democracy truly gives away your ignorance- the guy in charge of the Government Agency that Oversees Polls is a gay, I'm not ignorant of that fact - nor do I believe that that fact is irrelevant since by Blocking the Official route to Souter, Souters impact on the democratic process was lessened. and its a fact that a Gay Political pressure Group - ILLEGALLY created a non-existent membership and petition out of all the gays they could find on the International internet and used it to make the Scottish parliament pass the progay legislation as though it had been an unbiased poll. because, andy, you don't have to > be gay to fight homophobia your using newage PC babble on me - I am no such thing - look at what I say next and how you take it out of context - > > oh yeah, you said > > "difference between hormone based gender and artificial homosexual > psychology" > > you're teasing me , right? *wink* > no - I'm pointing out that the MAJORITY of young children do not need confusion of gender issues written into their school timetables BECAUSE they have NO PREDISPOSITION TO EVER BE GAY - and that that fact can be scientifically verified by an analysis of their hormones and or DNA - and hence there is No need to make their education of homosexual issues a GREATER priority than their understanding of heterosexuality. And using science, we can tell that if they don't know or are unsure - its because of the problems that society has loaded them with eg. homosexual schoolbooks. IE. THEIR CONFUSION IS ARTIFICIAL > http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: "Andrew Hennessey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride > -Caveat Lector- > > > > The Clause28 issue in the UK which said that clause 28 was sufficient > to > > > police abuse of gender issues in schools was to be repealed by the new > > > scottish parliamnent in favour of legislation that made it possible to > > > actively promote homosexual issues. > > > > you are wrong and your political angle on this is the same one that souter > > tried to mislead the scottish people . the repeal does not allow the > > promotion of homosexuality- it allows it to be talked about in council > > institutions- including schools and libraries. > > It was NEVER DISALLOWED PRIOR to the repeal of this clause > it just wasn't adequately operated > > the clause actually could > > have prevented people's > > By PEOPLE you really mean very young children - > > access to literature that could be considered > > "promoting" homosexuality- and that in effect means that any literature > that > > states in any way that homosexuality is ok could be banned. > > well don't worry it isn't banned any more - > I said before that there is a big difference between hormone based gender > and artificial homosexual psychology - > given what we all know on how easy it is to PROGRAMME the human mind > any pervert with an agenda can cause a problem in schools - ie. hetero and > homo > so thats especially why in my opinion the topic of sex needs careful > handling > and the safeguards in place were legally OK - though badly operated. > Now we have the same people who badly operated a fair sex policy now > operating a biased homosexual policy - and in your opinion does that mean > that perverts are going to find it difficult to start bending minds and > gender ? > > > > Almost the entire population was against > > > it > > > > oh really? LOL > > ABSOLUTE FACT - the ABSOLUTE MAJORITY IS A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD > > > > > but the parliament would not listen and the politicians Refused to act. > > > Brian Soutar Bus Tycoon funded a Private Referendum - which the gay in > > > charge of the electoral office would not ratify > > > > you are being silly now andrew and it devalues any argument that you may > > have. tell me who this gay is in fact and show me evidence that he is 1/ > gay > > and 2/ corrupt and compromised by his sexuality. > > don't play games with me - I don't need the credibility - there was > absolutely NO REASON > why the electoral office should disallow the legitimacy of a public > referendum - > If that doesn't cmpromise the operation of democracy what did - perhaps the > intolerable arrogance of the scottish parliament that implemented the progay > agenda > in full knowledge that almost the entire country was against them. > and in England the House of Lords threw the Bill out twice and still Blair > wants to force it > through. > > (look to portillo's vote > > against the reduction in the age of gay consent for a comparable ethical > > decision made by a man with gay experiinces) > > a reduction in the age of gay consent - you're talking like you're cruising > here - > there are no men and women in these classrooms - just vulnerable kids > > > show me- or shut your little bigoted mouth, k? :) > > Some of my best friends are gay and I'm big burly bastard oh dear, of course your gay friends would be delighted and supportive of your comments i take it? and andrew, it was not a comment about your physical largeness, rather it referred to your intellectual smallness. ahem. you are a homophobe thus your comments are not really answerable because you ignore the facts of the matter because of misplaced political or emotional motivations. for instance- you say the "entire country" voted but yet the figures disagree. sent out- 3970712 voted for retaining- 1094440 (souter's own figures) that isn't even a majority. it was a majority of votes cast but supporters of repeal would not participate and there was no campaigning- the advice was- don't even participate. the majority chose not to participate. many didn't even recieve ballots. why is the phrase "age of consent" sounding like i am cruising? and why are you obsessed with bringing children into the discussion? creepy. the age of consent vote which portillo voted against even though he has had positive gay experiences was not anything to do with children- it was to bring the age of con
Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride
-Caveat Lector- > > The Clause28 issue in the UK which said that clause 28 was sufficient to > > police abuse of gender issues in schools was to be repealed by the new > > scottish parliamnent in favour of legislation that made it possible to > > actively promote homosexual issues. > > you are wrong and your political angle on this is the same one that souter > tried to mislead the scottish people . the repeal does not allow the > promotion of homosexuality- it allows it to be talked about in council > institutions- including schools and libraries. It was NEVER DISALLOWED PRIOR to the repeal of this clause it just wasn't adequately operated the clause actually could > have prevented people's By PEOPLE you really mean very young children - access to literature that could be considered > "promoting" homosexuality- and that in effect means that any literature that > states in any way that homosexuality is ok could be banned. well don't worry it isn't banned any more - I said before that there is a big difference between hormone based gender and artificial homosexual psychology - given what we all know on how easy it is to PROGRAMME the human mind any pervert with an agenda can cause a problem in schools - ie. hetero and homo so thats especially why in my opinion the topic of sex needs careful handling and the safeguards in place were legally OK - though badly operated. Now we have the same people who badly operated a fair sex policy now operating a biased homosexual policy - and in your opinion does that mean that perverts are going to find it difficult to start bending minds and gender ? > > Almost the entire population was against > > it > > oh really? LOL ABSOLUTE FACT - the ABSOLUTE MAJORITY IS A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD > > but the parliament would not listen and the politicians Refused to act. > > Brian Soutar Bus Tycoon funded a Private Referendum - which the gay in > > charge of the electoral office would not ratify > > you are being silly now andrew and it devalues any argument that you may > have. tell me who this gay is in fact and show me evidence that he is 1/ gay > and 2/ corrupt and compromised by his sexuality. don't play games with me - I don't need the credibility - there was absolutely NO REASON why the electoral office should disallow the legitimacy of a public referendum - If that doesn't cmpromise the operation of democracy what did - perhaps the intolerable arrogance of the scottish parliament that implemented the progay agenda in full knowledge that almost the entire country was against them. and in England the House of Lords threw the Bill out twice and still Blair wants to force it through. (look to portillo's vote > against the reduction in the age of gay consent for a comparable ethical > decision made by a man with gay experiinces) a reduction in the age of gay consent - you're talking like you're cruising here - there are no men and women in these classrooms - just vulnerable kids > show me- or shut your little bigoted mouth, k? :) Some of my best friends are gay and I'm big burly bastard > - a supposedly unbiased > > agency that oversaw democracy all over the world would not let the people > > legitimately vote in a private and legal mass referendum. > > we have a government to make decisions- referendums are only called by > people unhappy at the elected governmnet's decisions. and anyway, andrewq, > we didn't need a referendum to have the clause in the first place- it wasn't > public pressure that lobbied for the clause, was it? You're in a STATE OF DENIAL - the entire country Voted by overwhelming MAJORITY to lose the progay crap - it wasn't a few dissidents it was the ENTIRE country > oh but do tell how many people voted. > and you just ignore that private polls made by individuals tend to only be > completed by the people who support the referendum because there is no legal > backing for the poll. opponents of the private poll recommended destroying > the polling slips. forget also that approx 1 million homes did not get > voting slips. that is in a population of 6 millionish! MORE PEOPLE VOTED TO OUST THE GAYS THAN VOTED FOR BLAIR AT THE LAST ELECTION The parliament of scotland had a poll of course - the gays in the scottish parliament got in touch with the gays in san fransico and the gays in australia and used the internet to overwhelm the democratic process in scotland by creating FALSE POLLS from names supplied by people who were clearly not citizens of the UK or even on the electoral register. > an overwhelming > > majority were in favour of keeping the clause - the parliament ignored > that > > and passed the progay legislation.# > > andrew hennessey http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- direct
Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: "Andrew Hennessey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride > -Caveat Lector- > > > > > with all due respect andrew, you are guessing, not reporting. the > warehouse > > thing and the homosexual agenda you mention is absurd (unless you can > > support this contention in some way?). as is your perception of lillith. > > > Well maybe Lilith gets a better press these days from the black magic books > that I read in the 70s - so sorry if she is now the divine goddess etc etc both your patronising classifications of her are wrong. > The Clause28 issue in the UK which said that clause 28 was sufficient to > police abuse of gender issues in schools was to be repealed by the new > scottish parliamnent in favour of legislation that made it possible to > actively promote homosexual issues. you are wrong and your political angle on this is the same one that souter tried to mislead the scottish people . the repeal does not allow the promotion of homosexuality- it allows it to be talked about in council institutions- including schools and libraries. the clause actually could have prevented people's access to literature that could be considered "promoting" homosexuality- and that in effect means that any literature that states in any way that homosexuality is ok could be banned. that is not a tolerable situation. in schools teachers have been unable to offer any education about homosexuality *in any form*. that is also an intolerable situation. Almost the entire population was against > it oh really? LOL but the parliament would not listen and the politicians Refused to act. > Brian Soutar Bus Tycoon funded a Private Referendum - which the gay in > charge of the electoral office would not ratify you are being silly now andrew and it devalues any argument that you may have. tell me who this gay is in fact and show me evidence that he is 1/ gay and 2/ corrupt and compromised by his sexuality. (look to portillo's vote against the reduction in the age of gay consent for a comparable ethical decision made by a man with gay experiinces) show me- or shut your little bigoted mouth, k? :) - a supposedly unbiased > agency that oversaw democracy all over the world would not let the people > legitimately vote in a private and legal mass referendum. we have a government to make decisions- referendums are only called by people unhappy at the elected governmnet's decisions. and anyway, andrewq, we didn't need a referendum to have the clause in the first place- it wasn't public pressure that lobbied for the clause, was it? > The move to repeal clause 28 was knocked back by the House of Lords twice erm, you are so keen on refereendums and voting and stuff but you are so happy that an unelected house would stand in the way of an elected house? > and still Tony is committed to forcing throughthis legislation. > Well the SCOTTISH DAILY RECORD daily record? LOL, no really, you are quoting the daily record as a news source? why not the national enquirer (a bit of context for our foriegn type friends on the list) :) reported that there were warehouses of the > 'new' progay schoolbooks awaiting distribution - not a fact that they would > have got wrong as the Paper was part of the keep the clause campaign - one > of souters few corporate supporters - and at that time ANY misleading > information would have been used to destroy the referendum by the > Politicians who were getting desperate. > So in this matter - because of the circumstances - I am inclined to believe > what I read in that paper at that time about the schoolbooks. > Souter subsequently had several million wiped off the value of his stock in > a strange stockmarket problem. > The result of the poll showed that something like 80% - oh but do tell how many people voted. and you just ignore that private polls made by individuals tend to only be completed by the people who support the referendum because there is no legal backing for the poll. opponents of the private poll recommended destroying the polling slips. forget also that approx 1 million homes did not get voting slips. that is in a population of 6 millionish! an overwhelming > majority were in favour of keeping the clause - the parliament ignored that > and passed the progay legislation.# erm, no- they passed the anti anti-gay legislation. stats are great for epope who wanna present them wrongly :) homophobes are great at this sort of stuff- you and souter. > What was PRO about this legislation was that unlike the previous legislation > that simply maintained a status quo of gender tolerance - given that it > could be adequately policed see above for an accurate description- t
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-Caveat Lector- > > with all due respect andrew, you are guessing, not reporting. the warehouse > thing and the homosexual agenda you mention is absurd (unless you can > support this contention in some way?). as is your perception of lillith. > Well maybe Lilith gets a better press these days from the black magic books that I read in the 70s - so sorry if she is now the divine goddess etc etc The Clause28 issue in the UK which said that clause 28 was sufficient to police abuse of gender issues in schools was to be repealed by the new scottish parliamnent in favour of legislation that made it possible to actively promote homosexual issues. Almost the entire population was against it but the parliament would not listen and the politicians Refused to act. Brian Soutar Bus Tycoon funded a Private Referendum - which the gay in charge of the electoral office would not ratify - a supposedly unbiased agency that oversaw democracy all over the world would not let the people legitimately vote in a private and legal mass referendum. The move to repeal clause 28 was knocked back by the House of Lords twice and still Tony is committed to forcing throughthis legislation. Well the SCOTTISH DAILY RECORD reported that there were warehouses of the 'new' progay schoolbooks awaiting distribution - not a fact that they would have got wrong as the Paper was part of the keep the clause campaign - one of souters few corporate supporters - and at that time ANY misleading information would have been used to destroy the referendum by the Politicians who were getting desperate. So in this matter - because of the circumstances - I am inclined to believe what I read in that paper at that time about the schoolbooks. Souter subsequently had several million wiped off the value of his stock in a strange stockmarket problem. The result of the poll showed that something like 80% - an overwhelming majority were in favour of keeping the clause - the parliament ignored that and passed the progay legislation. What was PRO about this legislation was that unlike the previous legislation that simply maintained a status quo of gender tolerance - given that it could be adequately policed - under the new legislation aside from all the other new safeguards, loss of marriage as a key concept etc - there is scope to activley promote gay issues - which is an unfair allowance to a minority interest. andrew http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- with all due respect andrew, you are guessing, not reporting. the warehouse thing and the homosexual agenda you mention is absurd (unless you can support this contention in some way?). as is your perception of lillith. > -Original Message- > From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > Behalf Of Andrew Hennessey > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 9:12 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride > > In the UK - we are getting homosexual agendas actively pushed and all > safeguards actively removed - and our warehouses are full of > perverted schoolbooks - and the government actively ignores public > opinion. > I would not want the demon asmodeus or his friend lilith to be let > loose to practise lechery on innocence. > > andrew hennessey > http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Look Andrew, You will note that I am not arguing any points about education or any such matters. You are wasting your argument with me. I am simply pointing out Aleisha's mistakes -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Andrew Hennessey Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 9:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride -Caveat Lector- > -Caveat Lector- nate wrote: > > First of all it is Asmodius, you wrote the original email. Every time I see > your response it changes. > woah Nate - !! Asmodius was a Sumerian demon of Lechery !!! you should have settled for amadeus - Mozarts first name :) maybe you were unaware of the occult roots - maybe you were ? there seems to be a lot of lechery involved in the active promotion of minority gender issues on the silent majority. why ban fathers day and mothers day because it discriminates against homosexual parents and then not ban gay day because it discriminates against the heterosexual practise. In the UK - we are getting homosexual agendas actively pushed and all safeguards actively removed - and our warehouses are full of perverted schoolbooks - and the government actively ignores public opinion. Be gay if you want - why not - but those are Your life choices - the majority of young kids are Not ready to examine gender issues, and being taught from homosexually biased schoolbooks is creating psychological gender imbalance on young forming and vulnerable minds. It would be different if there was a hormonal test that determined exposure to gender biased educational material. There is a big difference from artificially created homosexual psyche and that empowered by hormone levels, the former kids become victims - the latter become their own gender. I would not want the demon asmodeus or his friend lilith to be let loose to practise lechery on innocence. andrew hennessey http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride
-Caveat Lector- > -Caveat Lector- nate wrote: > > First of all it is Asmodius, you wrote the original email. Every time I see > your response it changes. > woah Nate - !! Asmodius was a Sumerian demon of Lechery !!! you should have settled for amadeus - Mozarts first name :) maybe you were unaware of the occult roots - maybe you were ? there seems to be a lot of lechery involved in the active promotion of minority gender issues on the silent majority. why ban fathers day and mothers day because it discriminates against homosexual parents and then not ban gay day because it discriminates against the heterosexual practise. In the UK - we are getting homosexual agendas actively pushed and all safeguards actively removed - and our warehouses are full of perverted schoolbooks - and the government actively ignores public opinion. Be gay if you want - why not - but those are Your life choices - the majority of young kids are Not ready to examine gender issues, and being taught from homosexually biased schoolbooks is creating psychological gender imbalance on young forming and vulnerable minds. It would be different if there was a hormonal test that determined exposure to gender biased educational material. There is a big difference from artificially created homosexual psyche and that empowered by hormone levels, the former kids become victims - the latter become their own gender. I would not want the demon asmodeus or his friend lilith to be let loose to practise lechery on innocence. andrew hennessey http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride
-Caveat Lector- First of all it is Asmodius, you wrote the original email. Every time I see your response it changes. Secondly, you are right it is my business and not yours. I could care less would your perception of me is. Thirdly, it is an important statement to say that you need to understand that while straight men primarily rape women, not all straight men are rapists, right? The same goes to say that not all homosexuals are pedophiles. You have the right to protect your children from this "threat"; however, do not spread lies, it is against human nature and your bible, and therefore you will be judged by a higher power when the time comes. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Aleisha Saba Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 10:47 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride -Caveat Lector- Well Nate, aka Amadius - what does that mean again fo Amadeius was Lord of Flies, Beezlebub, etc.nice name for a "professional" businessman to take, but that is your business? Didn't exactly think you followed biblical teachings but again that is your business. I reserve the right to protect my children and grandchild from the evils in this world and sodomy is one of them..Littleton is an example of evil personifieidoh so quiet, about Littleton where two little fags murdered how many little Christian classmates? Saba More on the attack on our children by the Sodomites - They still hunger after the little cub scouts. Special Class Protections for Self-Alleged Gays: A Question of "Orientation" and Consequences A public policy analysis by Tony Marco Copyright Tony Marco, 1991-1994, all rights reserved Previous| Table of Contents | Next Gay Activist Inroads Into Elementary and High Schools "Gayness"-promoting, value-free sex and "AIDS" education have also made deep inroads into America's public schools. Right now, for instance, Denver, Colorado public school teachers and counselors are being pressured and trained to teach children beginning in kindergarten that gayness is a normal lifestyle (See The Denver Post, Dec. 2, 1990, p. 1). A newly-released Denver Public Schools Health and Science Education teachers' guide entitled "Gay and Lesbian Youth Tools for Educators," presented to teachers by gay instructors during a taxpayer-funded continuing education course, states bluntly: "There is no biblical sex ethic. The Bible knows only a love ethic, which is constantly being brought to bear on whatever sexual mores are dominant in a given country, culture or period." [emphasis added] This guide contains a questionnaire designed to be answered by heterosexual high school students. It asks, among others, the following questions: "3.Is it possible your heterosexuality is just a phase you may outgrow? 5.Is it possible that all you need is a good gay lover? 7.If you have never slept with a person of the same sex, how do you know that you would not prefer to do so? 12.The majority of child molesters are heterosexuals. Do you really consider it safe to expose children to heterosexual teachers? 14.How can you hope to become a whole person if you limit yourself to an exclusive heterosexual object choice and remain unwilling to explore and develop your normal, natural, healthy homosexual potential? 19.How could the human race survive if everyone were heterosexual like you, considering the menace of over [sic] population?" In addition to aggressively promoting acceptance of homosexuality, bisexuality, lesbianism and condom use (with graphic descriptions of these behaviors and techniques) this teachers' guide suggests that teachers distribute resources to children including pamphlets containing telephone numbers of adult gays who might possibly serve as mentors, to encourage children to "explore their gay identities" and experiment with gay behavior. Los Angeles public school districts pioneered this kind of gay-promoting "mentor" program with the notorious Project 10, and similar programs have now spread to dozens of American communities. Special gay advantage laws could make it mandatory for private schools also to include such programs to promote this sexual special interest in the curricula, despite evidence that a teenager induced into homosexual behavior has a one in four chance of contracting AIDS within five years after initiation into "gayness" (see Gay and Lesbian Youth, Harrington Press, 1989, p. 185). In a recent, notorious New York City controversy, school authorities have attempted to force a so-called "Rainbow Curriculum" on supposedly locally-controlled public school systems. This "K-12" curriculum requires that homosexuality be presented as a healthy, desirable lifestyle in every subject taught. It is strongly suggested by this curriculum that
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From: Aleisha Saba >I reserve the right to protect my children and grandchild from the evils>in this world and sodomy is one of them..Littleton is an example of>evil personifieidoh so quiet, about Littleton where two little fags>murdered how many little Christian classmates? And your PROOF as to both the sexual orientation of the alleged shooters and the religious orientation of ALL those who were shot is? >This guide contains a questionnaire designed to be answered by>heterosexual high school students. It asks, among others, the following>questions:>>"3.Is it possible your heterosexuality is just a phase you may outgrow? >5.Is it possible that all you need is a good gay lover?>>7.If you have never slept with a person of the same sex, how do you know>that you would not prefer to do so? This is just turning around the arguments used against gays and presenting them to heterosexuals... Gays are routinely told that it's 'just a phase' they are going thru, or that if they had a good lay with someone of the opposite sex it would 'cure' them, and asked that if they've never had sex with someone of the opposite sex, how can they know they wouldn't like it? By presenting the same sort of questions to heterosexuals, it shows how inane such comments/questions put to gays are... >12.The majority of child molesters are heterosexuals. Do you really>consider it safe to expose children to heterosexual teachers? This is actually true. More pedophiles are heterosexual than homosexual...so those of you who are so obsessed with 'protecting the children' should be more afraid of straights than of gays... >14.How can you hope to become a whole person if you limit yourself to an>exclusive heterosexual object choice and remain unwilling to explore and>develop your normal, natural, healthy homosexual potential? Again, this is turning around the very same question that is routinely put to gays, and presenting it to straights to show how inane such a question is for either group... But you've shown time and time again, Saba, your inability to comprehend, let alone understand, satire... June _Bravenet IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
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-Caveat Lector- Well Nate, aka Amadius - what does that mean again fo Amadeius was Lord of Flies, Beezlebub, etc.nice name for a "professional" businessman to take, but that is your business? Didn't exactly think you followed biblical teachings but again that is your business. I reserve the right to protect my children and grandchild from the evils in this world and sodomy is one of them..Littleton is an example of evil personifieidoh so quiet, about Littleton where two little fags murdered how many little Christian classmates? Saba More on the attack on our children by the Sodomites - They still hunger after the little cub scouts. Special Class Protections for Self-Alleged Gays: A Question of "Orientation" and Consequences A public policy analysis by Tony Marco Copyright Tony Marco, 1991-1994, all rights reserved Previous| Table of Contents | Next Gay Activist Inroads Into Elementary and High Schools "Gayness"-promoting, value-free sex and "AIDS" education have also made deep inroads into America's public schools. Right now, for instance, Denver, Colorado public school teachers and counselors are being pressured and trained to teach children beginning in kindergarten that gayness is a normal lifestyle (See The Denver Post, Dec. 2, 1990, p. 1). A newly-released Denver Public Schools Health and Science Education teachers' guide entitled "Gay and Lesbian Youth Tools for Educators," presented to teachers by gay instructors during a taxpayer-funded continuing education course, states bluntly: "There is no biblical sex ethic. The Bible knows only a love ethic, which is constantly being brought to bear on whatever sexual mores are dominant in a given country, culture or period." [emphasis added] This guide contains a questionnaire designed to be answered by heterosexual high school students. It asks, among others, the following questions: "3.Is it possible your heterosexuality is just a phase you may outgrow? 5.Is it possible that all you need is a good gay lover? 7.If you have never slept with a person of the same sex, how do you know that you would not prefer to do so? 12.The majority of child molesters are heterosexuals. Do you really consider it safe to expose children to heterosexual teachers? 14.How can you hope to become a whole person if you limit yourself to an exclusive heterosexual object choice and remain unwilling to explore and develop your normal, natural, healthy homosexual potential? 19.How could the human race survive if everyone were heterosexual like you, considering the menace of over [sic] population?" In addition to aggressively promoting acceptance of homosexuality, bisexuality, lesbianism and condom use (with graphic descriptions of these behaviors and techniques) this teachers' guide suggests that teachers distribute resources to children including pamphlets containing telephone numbers of adult gays who might possibly serve as mentors, to encourage children to "explore their gay identities" and experiment with gay behavior. Los Angeles public school districts pioneered this kind of gay-promoting "mentor" program with the notorious Project 10, and similar programs have now spread to dozens of American communities. Special gay advantage laws could make it mandatory for private schools also to include such programs to promote this sexual special interest in the curricula, despite evidence that a teenager induced into homosexual behavior has a one in four chance of contracting AIDS within five years after initiation into "gayness" (see Gay and Lesbian Youth, Harrington Press, 1989, p. 185). In a recent, notorious New York City controversy, school authorities have attempted to force a so-called "Rainbow Curriculum" on supposedly locally-controlled public school systems. This "K-12" curriculum requires that homosexuality be presented as a healthy, desirable lifestyle in every subject taught. It is strongly suggested by this curriculum that first and second graders be assigned to read books such as Daddy's Roommate and Gloria Goes to Gay Pride, which depict "happy, healthy" homosexual and lesbian-headed "families" with small children. [No doubt have contract with Larry Flynt and his promoters by now - Saba note] (These books' publisher, Alyson, when not producing such "children's literature," is known as the world's largest gay publisher, specializing in books marketed to the adult gay community -- including numerous titles encouraging pedophile practices and telling its readers where and how to procure underage sex without penalty.) Previous| Table of Contents | Next Printer-Friendly Version See Related Resources copyright © 1995-2001 Leadership U. All rights reserved. This site is part of the Telling the Truth Project. Updated: 29 November 1996 http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingpleas
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-Caveat Lector- Censorship? Not me, ever... I'm the person complaining that I cannot get 2 messages posted to this list for 4 days now. A test message before and after posts OK, but there's something magic in the wording of these 2 texts which someone or something will not allow through. I am being censored. Bill YnrChyldzWyld wrote: > -Caveat Lector- > > On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, BB wrote: > >It scares me that people like you are allowed to post to > >a public forum... > > It scares me that people like you advocate censorship... > > June > http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride
-Caveat Lector- I am about to state an obvious truth that most of you already know but refuse to admit. The bible is a tool. It is a tool that may be used by any and all to their own purposes and gains. There are two sides to every story. People in this world lost faith a long time ago when they started to attend organized religion. You want a conspiracy, there's your conspiracy. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Nessie Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 12:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride -Caveat Lector- >In fact,the Bible forbids it. The Bible also forbids the wearing of cloth made from two kinds of threads and the rounding of the corners of the beard. Why aren't all these rabid homophobes equally upset about people doing those things? They are both far more common than sodomy. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ===CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride
-Caveat Lector- >- Original Message - >From: "Nessie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 6:36 PM >Subject: Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride > >History is abundantly clear what this leads to, bloody war after bloody >war after bloody war. Enough is enough. Agree to disagree. Live and let >live. but the problem is that it is people in privelaged positions within these religious organisations that are protecting the status quo- not for religious reasons, but for whatever wealth their position brings them. what you say is pious and would only work for the pious within religious orgs- but i fear there are very few of them. oops- actually when i say religious org i really mean any belief system be it dogma or catma that clashes with another belief system. or something. http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- >the same people who demand "tolerance" and "diversity" for homosexuality inter alia and then routinely demand that there be no tolerance for diverse religious, ethical and/or socio-political views that differ from theirs. What they are demanding is that there me no legal hegemony for religious, ethical and/or socio-political views that differ from theirs. This is quite different from demanding no tolerance. They are on hundred percent correct in doing this. No religious group should have the arms and wealth of the state at its disposal to force the rest of us to conform to the tenets of their religion. If your religion forbids homosexuality (or pork or beef or whatever) don't do it. Never violate the tenets of your religion. It leads only to cognitive dissonance. But dont try to use force to make the rest of us practice your religion. History is abundantly clear what this leads to, bloody war after bloody war after bloody war. Enough is enough. Agree to disagree. Live and let live. http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER =CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ===Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl ===To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride
-Caveat Lector- very true yardbird, very true ArkAngel - Original Message - From: "Yardbird" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride > -Caveat Lector- > > > And it is so funny at times, those who shout consitiutuional rights, > > sometimes are the very same who would try to take your beleif away from > > you.. > > Sort of like the left-wing eh? These being the same people who demand > "tolerance" and "diversity" for homosexuality inter alia and then > routinely demand that there be no tolerance for diverse religious, ethical > and/or socio-political views that differ from theirs. God forbid that > tolerance should be considered universally inclusive. > > > > > Merely my opinions and I point a finger to no one, > > > > ArkAngel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org > > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER > > == > > CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic > > screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are > > sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- > > directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with > > major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. > > That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and > > always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no > > credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. > > > > Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. > > > > Archives Available at: > > http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html > > http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl > > > > To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > > SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > > SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Om > > > > http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER > == > CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic > screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are > sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- > directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with > major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. > That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and > always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no > credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. > > Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. > > Archives Available at: > http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html > http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl > > To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Om _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust den
Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride
-Caveat Lector- > And it is so funny at times, those who shout consitiutuional rights, > sometimes are the very same who would try to take your beleif away from > you.. Sort of like the left-wing eh? These being the same people who demand "tolerance" and "diversity" for homosexuality inter alia and then routinely demand that there be no tolerance for diverse religious, ethical and/or socio-political views that differ from theirs. God forbid that tolerance should be considered universally inclusive. > Merely my opinions and I point a finger to no one, > > ArkAngel > > > > > > > _ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER > == > CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic > screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are > sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- > directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with > major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. > That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and > always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no > credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. > > Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. > > Archives Available at: > http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html > http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl > > To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Om > http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride
-Caveat Lector- >The Bible also forbids the wearing of cloth made from two kinds of >threads and the rounding of the corners of the beard. Why aren't all >these rabid homophobes equally upset about people doing those things? >They are both far more common than sodomy. Well Nessie, I cannot answer for all people and I certainly do not intend to try. People pick and choose their sins I guess, and then forgive them with a just excuse. Our society does not like sexual things, but yet they do the same things but under a different name and perhaps with a different ideal. I guess it depends on who is doing what to whom and why they are doing it and whether it is consenual or not, then of course it has to come up to societies perspective of rightousness. And when it does not, it is labled this or that, or this is wicked or that is wicked. Now, I am NOT defending child molestations or anything like that, yes that is horrible. People who do such things belong in prison, no doubt about it. As to the bread and thread,,hehehe well, lets not go there for that is a whole new idea and I am sure someone will have something disagreeable to say about it. These things have been discussed for centuries and these things shall continue to be discused for another century no doubt if we exist that long. One persons rightousness is another person sin, so to say. We all see things differently and it also seems no on can even agree to disagree. I myself, do not like many things that happen in society, but I also do not think fighting over them or putting another down for beleiveing in what he or she believes in is the correct path to take either. Everyone has his or her dislikes and everyone has his or her belief system, and according to the constitution we have that right, a right that no one has a right to take away from you, regardless of how bizarre it might be. And it is so funny at times, those who shout consitiutuional rights, sometimes are the very same who would try to take your beleif away from you.. Merely my opinions and I point a finger to no one, ArkAngel _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride
-Caveat Lector- >In fact,the Bible forbids it. The Bible also forbids the wearing of cloth made from two kinds of threads and the rounding of the corners of the beard. Why aren't all these rabid homophobes equally upset about people doing those things? They are both far more common than sodomy. http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER =CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ===Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl ===To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Well Nate aka Amadius (hebrew god of lust and satanism - seems you could find a better name than that). You say you are frustrated? I have known that all along.only thing that activates you is symbolic burning of Gay Pride Flag and all for which it stands.Sodomy. http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, BB wrote: >It scares me that people like you are allowed to post to >a public forum... It scares me that people like you advocate censorship... June Check out Alternative Kite radio: http://www.live365.com/stations/242153 http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride
-Caveat Lector- Well now, Aleisha, ignoring the difference between pedophilia and homosexuality that you have a problem with (or deliberately choose to ignore)the rest of us recognize the FACT that adult men molesting boys have as much to do with homosexuality as do adult men molesting girls have to do with heterosexuality... It's interesting that you post proof that even though it insists on banning gays, it doesn't stop pedophiles from becoming scout leaders and molesting boys... Perhaps homosexual scout leaders would be more astute in recognzing the pedophiles in their midst than the heterosexual scout leaders have been so far June Check out Alternative Kite radio: http://www.live365.com/stations/242153 http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride
-Caveat Lector- Greetings, I do not remember saying that anyone could not protect their families and friends from such things.. enough said, ArkAngel - Original Message - From: "Aleisha Saba" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride > -Caveat Lector- > > Well Ark Angel - Gay Pride and they are well organized, still pushes to > destroy the boy scouts - using Jesse Jackson tactics, for they all have > the same teacher. > > Now if anybody wants to take a vow of poverty, fly the Gay Pride Flag, > and move into a lepor community I do not care - I say this, AIDS is the > end result. > > A black man was on TV last night saying AIDS is wiping out an entire > generation of blacks.he still doesn't get it, does it - over 1/3 of > homosexual blacks have AIDS and some of the bisexuals then bring home to > their families. > > I reserve the right to protect my children and grandhild from predators > who slobber at the mouth by now, attempting to push into the Boy Scouts > of America - whom democrats jeered and berated at the democrat > convention .. > > Gay Pride has rights but the Supreme Court recently ruled, so do I - > Larry Flynt and his followers and the NAACP and Gay Pride who flew their > sick flag over our State House will find out that I am rights too if > they tred on my toes. > > Cannot put new wine in old bottles so they go after the kids?Poor > Littleton - two alleged homosexuals slaughter their little classmates, > using Uzi or AK's and plan to blow up the school and entire block and > get caught befoe they finish the job the way planned - like > Oklahoma.just because they were picked on and called queer? > > You got to be kidding Ark Angel - it is said the devil can appear as the > angel of light- but these sodomists will not give up will they - they > want to destroy the Boys Scouts and all for which it stands. > > But those who would protect their children have a Supreme Court ruling > to back hem up and those who would protect their children can boycott > United Way, not buy the crap these people who would destroy the boy > scouts sell, along with their fast foods = and yes, they can protect > their children by showing just a portion of what Gay Pride has > accomplished . > the need to put homosexuals in charge of little children. > > You see we do not want to encourage people taking the law into their own > hands > > http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER > == > CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic > screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are > sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- > directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with > major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. > That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and > always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no > credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. > > Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. > > Archives Available at: > http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html > http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl > > To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Om _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride
-Caveat Lector- Well Ark Angel - Gay Pride and they are well organized, still pushes to destroy the boy scouts - using Jesse Jackson tactics, for they all have the same teacher. Now if anybody wants to take a vow of poverty, fly the Gay Pride Flag, and move into a lepor community I do not care - I say this, AIDS is the end result. A black man was on TV last night saying AIDS is wiping out an entire generation of blacks.he still doesn't get it, does it - over 1/3 of homosexual blacks have AIDS and some of the bisexuals then bring home to their families. I reserve the right to protect my children and grandhild from predators who slobber at the mouth by now, attempting to push into the Boy Scouts of America - whom democrats jeered and berated at the democrat convention .. Gay Pride has rights but the Supreme Court recently ruled, so do I - Larry Flynt and his followers and the NAACP and Gay Pride who flew their sick flag over our State House will find out that I am rights too if they tred on my toes. Cannot put new wine in old bottles so they go after the kids?Poor Littleton - two alleged homosexuals slaughter their little classmates, using Uzi or AK's and plan to blow up the school and entire block and get caught befoe they finish the job the way planned - like Oklahoma.just because they were picked on and called queer? You got to be kidding Ark Angel - it is said the devil can appear as the angel of light- but these sodomists will not give up will they - they want to destroy the Boys Scouts and all for which it stands. But those who would protect their children have a Supreme Court ruling to back hem up and those who would protect their children can boycott United Way, not buy the crap these people who would destroy the boy scouts sell, along with their fast foods = and yes, they can protect their children by showing just a portion of what Gay Pride has accomplished . the need to put homosexuals in charge of little children. You see we do not want to encourage people taking the law into their own hands http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride
-Caveat Lector- Greetings all It scares me that this sort of thing is on this list. It is rubbish and a scare tatic which is very typical for many of these lists. what anyone wishes to be in life, be you a sodomite or not, is your business, I see no one lurking around corners dark at night in the streets ready to grab a innocent one as many have told you ( not that it does not happen from time to time mind you ). You will find that when bad things happen to good people, then someone is at blame, so that means someone has to be blamed and then some poor soul suffers from the paranoia of the masses. God said bad things would happen, not because one is a sodomite or anything else. It was due to what the Bible calls SIN. Christians SIN too, so do homosexuals, straights, sodomites etc etc etc etc and what are the wages of SIN, the Bible says Death. God will take care of it! I remember NO instructions for us to do so. If I also remember correctly from my theological and seminary studies, It was many a Christian who destroyed the Biblical texts and vulgarized them with their heretic word changes that it is a miracle we understand it all today even. It is not right that anyone set in judgement of another. In fact,the Bible forbids it. I do not like people to be so smug to think they are so very correct in their belief. It seems to me, that what we think is right and correct, may in fact be not so correct at all. Humans are very sad creatures, in as much as they judge unrightously and think themselves so perfect. Merely my opinions ArkAngel - Original Message - From: "Nate Fischer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 11:22 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride > -Caveat Lector- > > Aleisha, > > I am getting very frustrated with your lack of intelligence again. > > A: Sodomites are not exclusively homosexuals. Look it up in the dictionary > before you use it. Your misuse of the term shows your lack of intelligence. > > B: The below document is just pure filth. It is a piece of literature from > the religious right included as a scare tactic to corporation not to > withdraw support from the Boy Scouts. I again tell you that not all > pedophiles are exclusively homosexuals, nor is there a large percentage of > them. It scares me that there are people who actually believe this stuff > out there in the world. > > > > -Original Message- > From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > Behalf Of Aleisha Saba > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 11:04 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride > > > -Caveat Lector- > > More for June's edification of why the Boy Scouts do not need sodomites > for leaders of the little cub scouts.. > > Saba > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 1:16 PM > > Subject: [Conspiranoia!] Five Good Reasons Why The Boy Scouts Ban Gays > [Homosexuals] > Saturday, June 2, 2001 > > Five Good Reasons Why The Boy Scouts Ban Gays > > Those nitwitted companies, charities and municipalities out to punish > the Boy Scouts of America for its ban on homosexuals should take a good > look at five of the good reasons for the ban, as reported by the Rev. > Louis P. Sheldon, chairman of the Traditional Values Coalition > > In April, a Canadian Scout leader was charged with sexual touching and > sexual exploitation for molesting two boys under his care. This > homosexual offered alcohol, X-rated videos and condoms to the boys. > > In February, John Levendosky, a former assistant Boy Scout leader in > Pennsylvania, was charged with endangering the welfare of children and > charged with assault for tying two boys to a tree and cutting them. > Police found pornographic bondage magazines and sadomasochistic > paraphernalia in his home. > > In January, William Elliott, a New York Scout leader, was charged on 20 > counts of molesting four boys. > > In April, Keith Crumpton, a Mississippi Scout leader, faced five counts > of fondling a minor and traveling across state lines to have sex with a > boy. He molested three young boys. > > In April, an Annapolis Scout leader was arrested for sexually abusing a > 13-year-old Scout under his supervision. Homosexual Matthew Showalter > faces 20 years in prison if convicted. Says the Rev. Sheldon: "The list > goes on, but the point should be clear: Men with a 'sexual orientation' > toward other males - little boys, teenagers, or men - are quite likely > to act out their sexual desires when given the chance. > > These cases demonstrate that there are already NAMBLA homosexuals hiding > out in the Boy Scouts of America organization. We should not open the > doors to
Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride
-Caveat Lector- It scares me that people like you are allowed to post to a public forum... Nate Fischer wrote: > -Caveat Lector- > > Aleisha, > > I am getting very frustrated with your lack of intelligence again. > > A: Sodomites are not exclusively homosexuals. Look it up in the >dictionary > before you use it. Your misuse of the term shows your lack of intelligence. > > B: The below document is just pure filth. It is a piece of literature >from > the religious right included as a scare tactic to corporation not to > withdraw support from the Boy Scouts. I again tell you that not all > pedophiles are exclusively homosexuals, nor is there a large percentage of > them. It scares me that there are people who actually believe this stuff > out there in the world. > http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride
-Caveat Lector- Aleisha, I am getting very frustrated with your lack of intelligence again. A: Sodomites are not exclusively homosexuals. Look it up in the dictionary before you use it. Your misuse of the term shows your lack of intelligence. B: The below document is just pure filth. It is a piece of literature from the religious right included as a scare tactic to corporation not to withdraw support from the Boy Scouts. I again tell you that not all pedophiles are exclusively homosexuals, nor is there a large percentage of them. It scares me that there are people who actually believe this stuff out there in the world. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Aleisha Saba Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 11:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride -Caveat Lector- More for June's edification of why the Boy Scouts do not need sodomites for leaders of the little cub scouts.. Saba Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 1:16 PM Subject: [Conspiranoia!] Five Good Reasons Why The Boy Scouts Ban Gays [Homosexuals] Saturday, June 2, 2001 Five Good Reasons Why The Boy Scouts Ban Gays Those nitwitted companies, charities and municipalities out to punish the Boy Scouts of America for its ban on homosexuals should take a good look at five of the good reasons for the ban, as reported by the Rev. Louis P. Sheldon, chairman of the Traditional Values Coalition In April, a Canadian Scout leader was charged with sexual touching and sexual exploitation for molesting two boys under his care. This homosexual offered alcohol, X-rated videos and condoms to the boys. In February, John Levendosky, a former assistant Boy Scout leader in Pennsylvania, was charged with endangering the welfare of children and charged with assault for tying two boys to a tree and cutting them. Police found pornographic bondage magazines and sadomasochistic paraphernalia in his home. In January, William Elliott, a New York Scout leader, was charged on 20 counts of molesting four boys. In April, Keith Crumpton, a Mississippi Scout leader, faced five counts of fondling a minor and traveling across state lines to have sex with a boy. He molested three young boys. In April, an Annapolis Scout leader was arrested for sexually abusing a 13-year-old Scout under his supervision. Homosexual Matthew Showalter faces 20 years in prison if convicted. Says the Rev. Sheldon: "The list goes on, but the point should be clear: Men with a 'sexual orientation' toward other males - little boys, teenagers, or men - are quite likely to act out their sexual desires when given the chance. These cases demonstrate that there are already NAMBLA homosexuals hiding out in the Boy Scouts of America organization. We should not open the doors to more of them. The ones who are caught are doing immense emotional and physical damage to boys. The Scouts leadership is correct to prohibit openly practicing homosexuals from becoming leaders or members. "Instead of punishing the Scouts for "discriminating" against homosexuals, communities and groups like the United Way should applaud the Boy Scouts leadership for its efforts to protect boys from child molesters." http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2001/6/2/164525 This email was cleaned by emailStripper, available for free from http://www.printcharger.com/emailStripper.htm http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- di