Re: XSun docs?
> can you give me a hint where to find docs about the XSun X server? > Everything is welcome! :-) Have you tried the man page Xsun(1x)? What are you looking for? /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Physics student | Hem: +46 31 47 69 27 Chalmers University of Technology, G|teborg, Sweden | Mob: +46 707 27 86 87
Re: Xsun ignoring options?
> Does the XSun X server support the XKeyboard extensions, does anyone know? I don't believe it does. I think I recall seeing it somewhere in the docs or code, but don't take my word for it. /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Physics student | Hem: +46 31 47 69 27 Chalmers University of Technology, G|teborg, Sweden | Mob: +46 707 27 86 87
Re: Classic hardware problem?
> Is this memory perhaps? The 'test memory' passes on the 1st MB > anyway. I haven't tried setting it to test all 64MB. The SIMMS > are 16MB 60's EDO. Could that be the problem? I don't have any > other 16's to try, and 8's won't work in it. That sounds likely. The Classics want true parity (aka 36-bit) memory, and I don't believe there is such a thing as a true parity EDO SIMM. (it takes 4 and 16 MB SIMMs). /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Physics student | Hem: +46 31 47 69 27 Chalmers University of Technology, G|teborg, Sweden | Mob: +46 707 27 86 87
Re: SparcServer 1000e Problems
> If both cards are plugged into the same hub I get these messages on both > interfaces until I kill the connection from my client or the system > reboots. If you plug both interfaces to the same wire (Ethernet sense, so even through a switch) you have to reconfigure the Ethernet address on one of the boards, since Sun machines normally use the same address on all interfaces. This doesn't explain the troubles you were seeing with them on different subnets though... /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Physics student | Hem: +46 31 47 69 27 Chalmers University of Technology, G|teborg, Sweden | Mob: +46 707 27 86 87
Re: Debian in Ultra 5
> Err, back off on that. I've only had one instance where this was > needed. The UltraSparc (I think it was an Ultra10) had an additional > special video card (some kind of super Creator 3d thing). It wouldn't > work with the card in the machine because /dev/fb0 is hardcoded into > the mach64 server and the extra card ended up being /dev/fb0. (The > server needs /dev/fb0 to map the video memory.) and if you do have a Creator in the box, you probably want to use Xsun24 instead (at least if the latest patches have been applied), since that video card is quite a bit spiffier than the m64. /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Physics student | Hem: +46 31 47 69 27 Chalmers University of Technology, G|teborg, Sweden | Mob: +46 707 27 86 87
Re: Ultra and Linux usf readonly...
> Neither one is answering my question! :) Oh, come now, it's only been 4 hours since your last mail... > I installed Debian in a Ultra 5 and xserver-mach64 and the following > error occurs: [snip] > Fatal server error: > xf86MapVidMem: Could not mmap framebuffer (Invalid argument) > > xinit: unexpected signal 2 My wild guess is that something is strange with your kernel (or possibly libc). What version are you using (and what if any patches have you applied to the kernel)? /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Physics student | Hem: +46 31 47 69 27 Chalmers University of Technology, G|teborg, Sweden | Mob: +46 707 27 86 87
Re: Debian in Ultra 5
> > > >I cant get X to work. I installed Debian in 2 Sparc 4, 1 Sparc 5 and > >1 Sparc 20 before. All other machines I got X working. > > Had the same problems here . > > I guess it is up to the PCI-based hardware, Xsun24 is just the wrong > server . Solaris uses the M640 device, I guess it's a Mach64 based > chip but perhaps I am wrong (I am relatively new to Sparc Linux). If > I start the server directly I get a SEGV . You want the xserver-mach64 package for the Ultra 5. /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Physics student | Hem: +46 31 47 69 27 Chalmers University of Technology, G|teborg, Sweden | Mob: +46 707 27 86 87
Re: Booting a sparc10
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > I have a sparc10 that I installed debian 2.1 sparc on. I can't get it > to boot off the hard drive. It always complains about no disk label. Sounds like you've make an fdisk disklabel on it, the sparc prom needs to see a sun disklabel (known as a bsd disklabel in fdisk). /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Physics student | Hem: +46 31 47 69 27 Chalmers University of Technology, G|teborg, Sweden | Mob: +46 707 27 86 87
Re: Off Topic: Sparc (see -devel for origin)
> On Thu, Apr 15, 1999 at 05:24:23PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > yes, Debian 2.1 was released for sparc. > > release notes are at: > > http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/sparc/release-notes/index.html > > also, check out: http://www.debian.org/ports/sparc/ > > > > But that doesn't answer his question, unless you know for *sure* that a > sun4 VME based architecture is supported. I'll for one don't know this... But the 600-series are not sun4, they are sun4m and thus supported. Their VME interface isn't though AFAIK, so any devices sitting on VME will be unsuable. > > > For lack of a quicker source of information: > > > I have a sparc server 630MP. It has no video card. I figure I can > > > install via a terminal on the serial port, But my question is this: Is > > > this hardware even supported? The only partial answer I can get is on > > > Redhat's site which says THEY don't support a sun4 VME based arcatecture. > > > Is this the same with the latest kernel? Anyone want to give me some > > > pointers? > > > > > > Andrew > > -- > B. Warmerdam GNU/Debian Linux > [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Keyid: 10A0FDD1) > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Physics student | Hem: +46 31 47 69 27 Chalmers University of Technology, G|teborg, Sweden | Mob: +46 707 27 86 87
Re: X server just kills itself !?
> Since I recompiled a 2.2.1 kernel, X server just quit and return to xdm every > 1-2 minutes. > The server freeze, then goes black and...stops. > > A message on the console says: modprobe error: unable to find module fb1 > (same message with fb2) > Of course, I didn't find any module with that name anywhere (even in the > .config file) Hmm, have you compiled support for your framebuffer? (If you use modules and want it to autoload, you should alias fb1 (though I though it was fb0) to whatever framebuffer is your primary framebuffer.) /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Physics student | Hem: +46 31 47 69 27 Chalmers University of Technology, G|teborg, Sweden | Mob: +46 707 27 86 87
Re: utilizing keys (type 5 keyboard)
> On Tue, Mar 23, 1999 at 07:56:58PM -0500, Matthew Haas wrote: > > One last request-- I have a friend who has a SS-1+ ..apparently the > > battery is dead (the .enet-addr is ALL zeroes, and it doesn't remember > > settings after it's powered off).. any good sources for new batteries? > > You must call SUN, and ask to sobstitute the eprom, which is gone. > All the SS1+ are going to loose the ethernet address right soon. > AFAIK, it happens on all sparcs. It's not the eprom, it's the battery+sram chip (tall chip with barcode, you can't miss it). Anyway, Sun wants way too much money to replace them (unless you have service), you can get an eqivalent chip from any decent electronics supplier. Check out the Sun NVRAM faq at http://www.squirrel.com/squirrel/sun-nvram-hostid.faq for details. /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Physics student | Hem: +46 31 47 69 27 Chalmers University of Technology, G|teborg, Sweden | Mob: +46 707 27 86 87
Re: UltraSparc Power?
> > > The graphics are fairly bad. Sun put 2M of video memory in the > > > machine, so you are stuck with 1152x900 in 16-bit mode or 800x600 in > > > 24 bit mode. (You can do higher resolutions in 8-bit mode.) > > > I've got a 4Mb AGP running 1280x1024 in 16bpp on my Ultra 5/270 - I > > thought that was standard now. > > Hmm, I get: > > (--) Mach64: Video RAM: 2048k > > Maybe they changed the video chip? I do have a fairly old Ultra 5. The newer ones have 4MB (or, at least the shipment we just got from Sun did). Now I just have to hack XFree's server to run under Solaris so that it's actually useful (can't run Linux on the unfortunately, and Sun's X-server won't do more than 8-bit mode at 1280x1024). /Anders
Re: slink release
> - X11: what is the status of X packages ? Since noone has complained about my last merger patch, I've told Branden to integrate it into his sources. Once I get word from him I'll either wait for a -11 for slink with sparc in it, or make a sparc NMU of whatever revision is going to be it for slink (or let Steve do it). /Anders
Re: Please test: impoved sparc and alpha X patches.
> Were you going to add that XF86Config file to the xserver-mach64 > package? Err, I thought I had. Small typo on my part made it not make it in there. I'm making another one (I won't bother building the other packages this time though, since it's only the packaging of the xserver that has changed). It should be in place in a few minutes. /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Physics student | Hem: +46 31 47 69 27 Chalmers University of Technology, G|teborg, Sweden | Mob: +46 707 27 86 87
Please test: impoved sparc and alpha X patches.
Hi again. New versions of the merged X pacakges for sparc and alpha are now available. This time with a working xfs. ftp://ftp.cd.chalmers.se/pub/os/Linux/local/iko - or - http://master.debian.org/~iko/ /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Physics student | Hem: +46 31 47 69 27 Chalmers University of Technology, G|teborg, Sweden | Mob: +46 707 27 86 87
Please test: X patches for sparc and alpha
Hi, The patch-merging is done (or at least I have something that compiles and runs for me - avanti with matrox milleniun and SS10 with cg6). Get the patches (against 3.3.2.3a-10), sparc binaries and alpha binaries from http://master.debian.org/~iko/ - or - ftp://ftp.cd.chalmers.se/pub/os/Linux/local/iko/ Note that the alpha packages are slightly earlier than the patches and the sparc packages. I'll make another alpha build tonight and put it up for testing tomorrow. If no-one finds any showstoppers I hope that Branden can get this into -11. Regards, /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Physics student | Hem: +46 31 47 69 27 Chalmers University of Technology, G|teborg, Sweden | Mob: +46 707 27 86 87
Re: how to know the real device used by /dev/console ?
>
> Hello,
>
> is there a way (an ioctl or such) to get the real device connected to
> /dev/console ? Especially, I need to know whether the console is connected to
> a serial one or not.
Hmm, you could check /proc/openprom/std{in,out}-path. If both are the same, the
PROM console is serial. There may be better ways though...
/Anders
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Re: Help wanted with Alpha/Sparc XFree86 patches
> I was wondering if it would be possible for me to persuade anyone to submit
> me a *merged* alpha/sparc patch for XFree86 so I can put it in -10.
Like I mentioned in some other message, my plan was to merge together my
alpha and sparc patches with Steve's sparc patches and send the result to you
(also making sure you get the latest version of all the patches). Of course,
if there is anyone who wants to help, that'd be more than welcome, though I
guess it'd be more in the testing phase of things (the patch merging seems
hard to distribute). I'll announce availability of my test builds to the
lists.
> Once I have the integrated patch I will make a test build with it and
> try to determine if it makes any weirdness happen to i386 systems (maybe
> I'll leave it out of the changelog for the test build so the i386
> testers will become unwitting guinea pigs of a bigger experiment than
> they bargained for, moo ha ha ha). I'd also like to know if it breaks
> on m68k, put those poor guys have to wait 6 days or something for X
> to build, so I'm probably going to have to resort to prayer for that
> architecture.
Sounds like a plan. I'll do a test build on my i386 to make sure it doesn't
fall apart completely on you though ;-)
Regards,
/Anders
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Re: XFree86 3.3.2.3a-8pre9v6 at master.debian.org/~branden/xfree86
> The patches that I sent you should be completely safe. But the > resulting packages have only been tested by me. (As I said, I took > out the -pedantic flag on the altdev stuff - the other changes don't > touch x86 at all.) Right, at least my sparc patches really only deal with the Xsun server. I guess yours are similar. > BTW, There are two kinds of sparc64 support: usermode and kernel mode. > Usermode stuff is a _long_ way off, currently Debian runs 32-bit sparc > stuff on a 64-bit kernel. So Alpha patches don't help much there. > The biggest issue on the 32-bit sparc is unaligned memory accesses. Hmm, the alpha patches clean up many unaligned accesses, and since the alignment requirements for the alpha are the same as for sparc (save 64bit alignment on 32bit sparcs) the alpha patches should fix this too. I've been planning to merge the patch sets (I do the alpha X packages too), just haven't gotten to it yet (and I was sort of waiting to see if the central CVS archive that was suggested was going to happen). Maybe this is a good time... > I don't really want to step on any feet here, but it would be nice if > we could get the X source for Sparc into slink - and get the > UltraSparc support in there. (Eric plans on making the install work, > so X support would be an added bonus.) > > Nontheless, the current sparc binaries are a built by Anders from a > seperate tree. (Anders - my tree was made by merging the latest > UltraPenguin patches - a superset of the Red Hat patches - into > Branden's tree.) I would want some other sparc people to double check > my packages, before we actually include binary packages from my code > into slink. Can you send me your patches? I suspect that a lot of them are the same (and they aren't really mine, Mike Shuey did most of the original work on them), since they too are based on Red Hat's. That way I can merge them (or I could send you mine and let you do the merging, either is fine by me). Mainly what I want to achieve is that we don't change the way Xsun work (i.e. where it finds screens and such. It has been changing a bit, and I think I have a good method now). > If Anders has a tree that matches Branden's recent trees, I'll defer > to him (but ask that either he or I merge in the Mach64 and Creator > patches), otherwise, I'd like to the goahead from Anders et al to use > my stuff in slink (after appropriate testing). My sparc tree is currently too out-of-date to really be considered matching Branden's tree. My only concern with switching entirely is that we may loose fixes that are in my tree but not in yours, thus I'd rather try and merge our patches. > It shouldn't matter > too much (as long as the binaries work), since I believe Anders is > planning on starting from scratch on the 3.3.3.x releases. That's the idea, yes, since much of the code should be in 3.3.3.x already. > (I'm 99% sure the binaries work, the only issues would be install > script &c, and they are mostly copied from the current binary > packages. Also, I have to add a hard-coded XF86Config to the Sparc > Mach64 package - because XF86Setup doesn't work yet on the sparc > machines.) What problems does XF86Setup have on the ultras? I plan on fixing it to work on the alpha (where the problem mainly consists of non-existance of xserver-vga16, xserver-mono works, though probably not on TGA). Regards, /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Physics student | Hem: +46 31 47 69 27 Chalmers University of Technology, G|teborg, Sweden | Mob: +46 707 27 86 87
Re: XWindow in Sparc4
> Thank you! > It did the trick. > Now what about csh error? > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ~$ csh > csh: Symbol `_IO_2_1_stdin_' has different size in shared object, > consider > re-linking > [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ~$ That means that your csh is linked an older libc (assuming you have the latest version of everything). The package needs to be recompiled for this message to go away. Generally, it doesn't seem to cause any problems though. Another solution is to replace csh with tcsh (since tcsh is compiled with a recent enough libc and thus doens't complain). Regards, /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Physics student | Hem: +46 31 47 69 27 Chalmers University of Technology, G|teborg, Sweden | Mob: +46 707 27 86 87
Re: XWindow in Sparc4
> Hi all, > I installed Debian Sparc in 2 Sparc/4. One is running X and the other > not :( The packages are the same in both. I made the kbd device in the two. > When I type startx the following error occurs: > No screen founds. You are probably missing the /dev/fb* nodes. Try (cd /dev; ./MAKEDEV fb) /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Physics student | Hem: +46 31 47 69 27 Chalmers University of Technology, G|teborg, Sweden | Mob: +46 707 27 86 87
Re: The road ahead ...
> > * X > > > > Seems to work well on most installations. I uploaded the last X packages > > and > > didn't file a bug report with the patch but sent it to Anders who > > usually does the X stuff on Sparc. I didn't keep up with the latest X > > prereleases on i386 but we definitly need another X upload after Branden > > released another X set. Anders, Steve, could you coordinate on syncing up > > with Branden's prereleases ? I would favor to use the current X sparc patch > > for frozen and switch to Steve's patches for potato. > > There's still a kernel bug with X and the cgsix. See other threads here > and on sparclinux. I may be able to lay my hands on an SS10 with a cg6 and be able to actually do some debugging of this (and compile a bit faster than on my Classic). /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Physics student | Hem: +46 31 47 69 27 Chalmers University of Technology, G|teborg, Sweden | Mob: +46 707 27 86 87
Re: Unreliable Xsun server
> I recently had the pleasure of installing Debian "sid" on my Sparc IPC, > and aside the X missing-dev-file gotcha, I've been having no problems, > apart from a very unreliable X server. > > I'm using Xsun, since I have a cgthree framebuffer, however after a > certain amount of use, X crashes very badly, taking out the console, and > requires a reboot to resume useful work. This occurrs on average, two or > three times a day. At this stage, it dosen't seem like a dodgy-hardware > problem, since without X running, I have no reliability issues at all. Hmm, I too have a cg3 (though in a Classic) and it's been running without restart for a couple of months (the X server that is. The machine is up over 6 months). Granted, it's use is very light. If you can find some short specific thing that crashes it I can try and debug it. Regards, /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Physics student | Hem: +46 31 47 69 27 Chalmers University of Technology, G|teborg, Sweden | Mob: +46 707 27 86 87
Re: XWindow in Sparc4
> Hi Debian Sparc users, > Excuse me if I'm sending this mail twice. I already send a mail > yesterday about setting X in a Sparc4 and none answered :( If you mean a sparcStation4 with the tcx onboard graphics, then yes, the debian X packages should work on it. Regards, /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Physics student | Hem: +46 31 47 69 27 Chalmers University of Technology, G|teborg, Sweden | Mob: +46 707 27 86 87
Re: SCSI disk on Sparc IPC
> I'm trying to install linux on a Sun IPC. > > I've put an HP hard disk drive D2077 (2.1 Gb), and when installing > Solaris to format an label the disk, it doesn't recognize it. > > I haven't found anything about it in HP's WEBs. > >Does anyone knows the number of heads, cylinders, etc to define it ? > Do I have any other solution ? Hmm, Solaris' format command is usually able to read the geometry from the disk (using SCSI the inquiry command). When you are at format's main menu (after saying which disk you want to format and telling it you are not ready to label it), type "type" and select 0 (auto configure) and it should figure out what you have. You can try this by booting the Solaris cd in single user mode (boot cdrom -s or b sd(0,6,0) -s depending on your what proms you have). It will drop you to a root prompt where you can run format. Regards, /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Not system administrator at DjungelData | Hem: +46 31 47 69 27 Chalmers University of Technology, G|teborg, Sweden | Mob: +46 707 27 86 87
Re: The time has come ...
> > I can even tell you why that is. It's because you don't have permissions > > for /dev/fb* .Try running constype as a normal user, and then try as > > root. > > Was it possible with the old X packages to startx as normal user ? I recall there being problems with using startx as a normal user, though I think I fixed it, and I am using startx as a normal user (I'm still on the old packages). It may be that I chmod:ed my /dev/fb0 though (I'll check when I get home). /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Not system administrator at DjungelData | Hem: +46 31 47 69 27 Chalmers University of Technology, G|teborg, Sweden | Mob: +46 707 27 86 87
Re: The time has come ...
> > I'll upload new xfree packages which are based on -8 in an hour or so ... > > Hmm. > > They're broken here. > > xdm causes the kernel to halt (back to PROM prompt - 'program terminated'). What kernel version? (It's definitely a kernel bug that it ends up at the PROM prompt, but we should none the less try and keep xdm from triggering it.) > startx as a user doesn't work (apparently because /dev/fb doesn't exist). > > startx as root causes the kernel to halt as above. > > On one occasion when it halted, I saw the message 'modprobe - unable to > locate fb' or something like that. Hmm, I shall try and put together an -8.2 then. Christian, did you apply/merge/whatever the old sparc patches in the bugtracking system into your patch? Incidentally, do we have a decision on what to do about libc5? (Previously we had some sort of consensus on not bothering with it - or so I interpreted it anyway - and thus I don't have the altgcc stuff installed...) /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Not system administrator at DjungelData | Hem: +46 31 47 69 27 Chalmers University of Technology, G|teborg, Sweden | Mob: +46 707 27 86 87
Re: The time has come ...
[...] > Also, there doesn't seem to be a symlink from /dev/fb to /dev/fb0 on my > machine, which maybe there should be. No, there is no need for these symlinks (at least as far as the X server is concerned). I looked at this when I did the last X server (particularly at how the X server handles things on Solaris and SunOS). The Right Thing to do is to have the X server try to use all /dev/fb* (actually, I decided to only try /dev/fb[0123] since that's what Solaris/SunOS version did. I don't know of any sparcs that support more than 4 framebuffers, so it sort of makes sense.) This should also mean that it will automatically figure out if your box is multiheaded and if so start X on all your screens - with a /dev/fb symlink this will not work. mvh, /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Not system administrator at DjungelData | Hem: +46 31 47 69 27 Chalmers University of Technology, G|teborg, Sweden | Mob: +46 707 27 86 87
Re: re freezing powerpc
> debian/sparc at present: > - has X albeit still slightly buggy but definitly usable, but we have to wait > for the X revolution to settle down before we can try to rebuild a more > recent version If glibc 2.0.99 turns out, I'm going to try and run the new source through the compiler next week. If anyone has any particular bugs they want me to check and/or try and fix let me know... (Jules, I still have your info about the VC troubles so you don't need to remind me - if anyone else told me something it may have gotten lost in my inbox and reminding me won't hurt.) mvh, /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Not system administrator at DjungelData | Hem: +46 31 47 69 27 Chalmers University of Technology, G|teborg, Sweden | Mob: +46 707 27 86 87
sendmail
I knew there was a reason I still had libc5 on there... (in other words, it's
ancient)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:ttyp1[~]23:09> dpkg -s sendmail
Package: sendmail
Status: install ok installed
Priority: extra
Section: mail
Installed-Size: 1066
Maintainer: Johnie Ingram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Version: 8.8.7-2
Provides: mail-transport-agent
Depends: libc5 (>= 5.3.12), libdb1, netbase (>= 1.26-1), deliver | procmail, m4
Recommends: mail-reader
Conflicts: mail-transport-agent, smail
Conffiles:
/etc/aliases 958e1eae35efba9cfae72dcafc779cb4
/etc/init.d/sendmail 3f3436b3ae7507d3a1922c976cb6e69b
Description: A powerful mail transport agent.
Sendmail is an alternative mail transport agent (MTA) for
Debian. It is suitable for handling sophisticated mail
configurations, although this means that its configuration
can also be complex.
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Re: MTA on debian/slink/sparc
> Nagy Attila writes: > > > I've just installed a debian slink from ftp on my sparcstation5. > > It looks like everything works, except the mail transfer agent (:() > > Well I got this problem and I have posted a long time ago, but never > got a solution. I have sendmail running on my box. I'll check what versions I have and get to the list. > Just to remind the sparc-debian developpers, there are still a lot of > problems with the spresent distribution. You don't say ;-) I for one haven't had time to look at anything for the past month or so. It looks like it will be a bit better until new year, but there really aren't all that many of us. /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Not system administrator at DjungelData | Hem: +46 31 47 69 27 Chalmers University of Technology, G|teborg, Sweden | Mob: +46 707 27 86 87
Re: X server problems:
> A couple of problems which I definitely see with my X server: > > 1) Control key gets 'stuck' down. > > If I use to switch out of X into VC 1, and then use simply > to switch back in, the server then behaves as if the ctrl key is > held down. This can be cleared easily enough by explicitly typing > ctrl-something. I haven't noticed this (but then I very rarely switch out of X). Does it happen if you type to get back as well? (If not, it can probably be fixed by inserting a synthetic 'clear all keys' after returning from a different VC.) > 2) Mouse gets occasionally seized by gpm > > Symptom is that the mouse will freeze after a switch between console and X > mode. I am pretty sure the interaction is with gpm since /etc/init.d/gpm > stop fixes it. Yes, Xsun and gpm don't get along sharing the mouse. This probably has to do with the fact that gpm uses the linux way to talk to the mouse and Xsun uses the sparc way. > 3) Occasionally, the system will switch to the X VC for no reason. This > often seems to happen on the first console message since xconsole was > launched. This will often be accompanied by symptoms of X 'latching on' to > the VC which was running when it happened. This seems odd, I would almost suspect bugs in the virtual console kernel code. I'll see if I can repeat it and figure anything out. (If anyone has tips on how to get this to happen, let me know). Regards, /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Not system administrator at DjungelData | Hem: +46 31 47 69 27 Chalmers University of Technology, G|teborg, Sweden | Mob: +46 707 27 86 87
Re: Memory issue
>I am working with a Sparc Workstation 1 (Campus) with 16 Megs. This works fine >(just a bit slow). But when i insert more memory, the machine is slowing down. >Can anybody tell me why this is happening? I seem to recall seeing something about there being issues with the MMU on the SS1 that made it not a good idea to put more than 16 MB in it. Don't take my word for it though, I could be confusing it with something else. /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | Mud at Kingdoms| [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetGuide Scandinavia | telnet kingdoms.se 1812| Fax: +46 31 50 79 39 http://www.netg.se | | Tel: +46 31 50 79 40
Re: xfontsel Segmentation fault on sparc-debian
>Hi all >When I launch xfonsel on a sparc running debian, I got > >xfontsel: Symbol `_IO_2_1_stderr_' has different size in shared object, >consider re-linking > >[2]Segmentation faultxfontsel > >It seems that the xcontrib pqckqge is linked with the "wrong" library. >I have the lastest xlib6g_3.3.2.2-4.1, but the xcontrib is still at >3.3.1-2 (I can't find a newer one on the net) That would appear to have been compiled before the libc change, yes. xcontrib is not part of the X packages, it is a separate source (currently at version 3.3.2 it seems). I'll see about compiling it... Regards, /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | Mud at Kingdoms| [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetGuide Scandinavia | telnet kingdoms.se 1812| Fax: +46 31 50 79 39 http://www.netg.se | | Tel: +46 31 50 79 40
Re: X *STILL* broken?
>> We're going to need more of a bug report than that, I'm afraid.
>
>I've reported some more details before (regarding the problems.)
>
>> X works fine for me (SS2/2.0.35/up-to-date slink). It also, I believe,
>> works well for the X maintainer, Anders. What systems were you using?
>> Kernel version? Libc version?
I've seen a few quirks, no crashes though. Then, I have a cg3... I'll
see if I can borrow a cg6 and recreate the problems. I'm in the middle
of exams right now so it'll be about two weeks before I have time to
really do anything though.
>PROMLIB: Sun Boot Prom Version 3 Revision 2
>ARCH: SUN4M
>TYPE: SPARCstation 5
>Ethernet address: 8:0:20:23:2:cf
>Found 1 CPU prom device tree node(s).
>IOMMU: impl 0 vers 4 page table at f028 of size 262144 bytes
>sbus0: Clock 23.1333 MHz
>dma0: Revision 2
>dma1: Revision 2
>cgsix0 at 0x5000 TEC Rev 4 CPU sparc Rev b
>Console: 16 point font, 864 scans
>Console: colour SUN 128x54, 1 virtual console (max 63)
>FWIW, Jonny (sp?) Ingram ("netgod" on IRC) has confirmed that he has
>experienced similar problems with Debian-Sparc. Also, after we
>installed RedHat on this system, it worked fine.
Hmm, that sounds libc-related. Which redhat (4 or 5, as in libc5 or 6) did
you install on it?
Regards,
/Anders
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Re: New to the game
>I work at the University of New Orleans Department of Computer Science. >We recently recieved 3 670MP and two 470 SparcServers as a donation. >Since we are unable to run the current versions of Solaris on them and >we have very little interest in SunOS, we are looking into the >possibility of running Linux on these boxes (there is some very cool >distributed apps out there). At this point, I have been told that linux >will not run on these boxes. I am therefore looking for sources of >information and research on running linux on these boxes. Thanks in >advanced!! First off, you can run Solaris 2.5.1 (and probably later if you beat them up a bit) on the 670's. Linux should also run on the 670's, however there are no drivers for the VMEbus, so anything you have on the VME will be unusable from Linux. The 470's are are a bit tougher (you're stuck with 2.4 if you want Solaris). There are people working on a sun4 port (and it's running on the 300-series) you should talk to [EMAIL PROTECTED], there have been some sun4 discussions there in the last few days. (Once there is a kernel to boot the 400-series, the Debian Sparc port should work just fine on them.) Regards, /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | Mud at Kingdoms| [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetGuide Scandinavia | telnet kingdoms.se 1812| Fax: +46 31 50 79 39 http://www.netg.se | | Tel: +46 31 50 79 40
Re: Sparc SLC success story and an X11 question
>Anyway, the problem: I downloaded the X11 packages from >ftp.netg.se, and they are working fine, but only as root. If I >try to run it as a normal user, the X server complains: > >Fatal server error: >no screens found > >Has anybody run into similar problems, and if so, found a >solution? /usr/X11R6/bin/X is setuid root and I have allowed >"Anyone" to run the X server from /etc/X11/Xserver. I downloaded >the uploaded packages today, but they have the same problem. The user that runs the Xserver needs read and write permissions on /dev/kbd, /dev/mouse and /dev/fb0 (and /dev/fb[123] for multihead machines). I thought that the X-server wrapper (which runs the X-server as root) would have fixed that, but apparently not. Regards /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | Mud at Kingdoms| [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetGuide Scandinavia | telnet kingdoms.se 1812| Fax: +46 31 50 79 39 http://www.netg.se | | Tel: +46 31 50 79 40 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: glibc 2.0.94 for testing
>> >Everything involving unpacking a .deb. >> >> Well, that overstating it a bit I think. What breaks is that dpkg-deb[1] >> runs chown(2) on everything it extracts from the archive, including >> symlinks. In recent 2.1 kernels, there is an lchown(2) call, and chown(2) >> follows symlinks (unlike 2.0 kernels where chown(2) will chown the symlink). >> If the symlink dpkg-deb tries to chown is broken, it exits, as chown(2) >> returned ENOENT. > >That's not the only issue. A random fflush() that probably shouldn't >even be there causes dpkg to horribly die on debs on ext2 filesystems >using recent dev kernels. Don't ask. Haven't noticed that one (at least not on the alpha under 2.1.106), but I probably don't want to know... Regards, /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | Mud at Kingdoms| [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetGuide Scandinavia | telnet kingdoms.se 1812| Fax: +46 31 50 79 39 http://www.netg.se | | Tel: +46 31 50 79 40 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: glibc 2.0.94 for testing
>At 11:41 -0700 1998-07-27, Jules Bean wrote: >>On Sat, 25 Jul 1998, Joel Klecker wrote: >>> BTW, someone needs to build dpkg >= 1.4.0.25 for sparc, otherwise, folks >>> running 2.1 kernels will not have fun. >> >>What breaks? > >Everything involving unpacking a .deb. Well, that overstating it a bit I think. What breaks is that dpkg-deb[1] runs chown(2) on everything it extracts from the archive, including symlinks. In recent 2.1 kernels, there is an lchown(2) call, and chown(2) follows symlinks (unlike 2.0 kernels where chown(2) will chown the symlink). If the symlink dpkg-deb tries to chown is broken, it exits, as chown(2) returned ENOENT. Regards, /Anders [1] < 1.4.0.25 that is -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | Mud at Kingdoms| [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetGuide Scandinavia | telnet kingdoms.se 1812| Fax: +46 31 50 79 39 http://www.netg.se | | Tel: +46 31 50 79 40 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SS2 segfaults when running ldd
>Brief background: On my Sparc 2, running Debian, kernel versions 2.0.33 or >2.0.35, 'ldd' will segfault. In general, however, the system seems to >work well. > >I'm using libc 2.0.93. > >As you can see above, for Kevin, 2.1.109 fixed the problem. >Unfortunately, CVS has moved on since then, and the snapshot I compiled a >couple of days ago (2.1.111) will boot but segfaults all over the place >(in rcS, for example). > >Anyone got any idea if this *is* a kernel problem, or which version I >should go for? I'm beginning to think that the 2.1.late breakage is something wierd in bash. It seems to be the only thing segfaulting, and it unmistakably segfaults in sigreturn() whenever it gets SIG_CHLD. tcsh works fine. (this is on my SparcClassic of course). Regards, /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | Mud at Kingdoms| [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetGuide Scandinavia | telnet kingdoms.se 1812| Fax: +46 31 50 79 39 http://www.netg.se | | Tel: +46 31 50 79 40 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ethernet cards, Gfx programming
>I realised that i need a fast network connection between the PC and the >Sparc. They must be connected at least with one 100Mbit Ethernet card. >Much better would be 2 x 100Mbit Ethernet per machine (that would be >approximately 25MB/s - in theory, right?). Maybe two more machines will >be integrated as well (then i will think about hubs and/or switches, >etc.) >I'm trying to establish a system (as small as possible) which is highly >redundant, is capable of handling/routing/processing incoming >data-streams >and may have one or more heads (terminals). Beowulf uses more Ethernet >cards per node - with more throughput, but (maybe again related to the >app >itself) they don't reach 20MB/s (as far as i remember). First, as Dave said, you may want to consider things other than Ethernet. For many machines FDDI is probably better if you want predictable throughput. FibreChannel might also be something to look in to. >Is it possible to use two 100Mbit Ethernet cards in a Sparc5? >(what's the throughput? caveats?) Shouldn't be any problem, the SS5 has 3 SBus slots (you loose one for your framebuffer card which leaves 2 for 2 Ethernet Cards), and there is plenty of bandwidth in the SBus. >How much do i have to pay for one (respective two) cards? While my prices are a bit out of date, we paid SEK 5000 (about DM 1100,-) each for Sun's HME FastEthernet cards in 1996 - and that was with educational discount. (Though SEK 2000 more got us Fast Wide SCSI-2 on the cards as well) I expect that the prices are lower today, and with luck you may be able to find used cards. >Are there 3rd-party companies selling cheap(er) 100Mbit cards for >Sparc5? (in Europe, preferably) I don't know of any off-hand, but I would expect so. I know a guy how sells 3rd-party sparc gear, I can ask him if you're interested. Regards, /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | Mud at Kingdoms| [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetGuide Scandinavia | telnet kingdoms.se 1812| Fax: +46 31 50 79 39 http://www.netg.se | | Tel: +46 31 50 79 40 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: some problem with debian-sparc-linux
>Hi, >Now that the problem with my keyboard has been solved, there >are still a few minor problems with my sparc-linusx installation > >1) Configuration of serial ports: At boot, I get the message: > >Configuring serial port failed ... >Trying to load the serial modules manually >insmod serial: no modules by that name found >Cannot autoconfigure port: invalid argument >Cannot autoconfigure port: invalid argument >done >/dev/ttyS2: operation not support by device >/dev/ttyS3: operation not support by device > >What I have done wrong. I have never configure the serial port and in >the installation menu, I was never asked to do so. It looks like the setserial package thinking it's an i386. Don't worry about it, the serial ports work. >2) X installation: The package xbase_3.3.2.2-1.1_sparc.deb on >ftp.netg.se:/pub/Linux/sparc/X can't be installed because it required >ncurse-base (>= 1.9.9g-86) while that on the system is 1.9.9g-8. So I >have gto install of the main ftp site xbase_3.3.1-2.deb instead. Err, I see an ncurses-base 1.9.9g-8.8 in the archives... >3) nis_2.10-1.deb can't be installed, it requires the old libc5 and >libgdbm1, both of them I can't find on the ftp site. (Alos why nis >isn't compiled with the new libc6 ?) > >1) and 2) do not seem to have any visible effect to the operation of >the system, but 3) is a problem. The machine have been part of the >network through NIS and I can't afford to lost this facility. Have any >one succeed in installing nis in a sparc-linux system ? I have used nis on debian-sparc in the past (I don't currently - I expect to again shortly, as my home network is getting a bit big). IIRC, there were some problems with compiling nis with libc6 on sparc - though I don't recall what they were. Anyway, libc5 and libgdbm1 are both in oldlibs, so, while not libc6, it should still work. Regards, /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | Mud at Kingdoms| [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetGuide Scandinavia | telnet kingdoms.se 1812| Fax: +46 31 50 79 39 http://www.netg.se | | Tel: +46 31 50 79 40 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Xsun -- Where is it?
>I can't seem to find (in package or source form) the Xserver for S/Linux...is >it out there somewhere? ftp.netg.se:/pub/Linux/sparc/X new version coming on Monday. Regards, /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | Mud at Kingdoms| [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetGuide Scandinavia | telnet kingdoms.se 1812| Fax: +46 31 50 79 39 http://www.netg.se | | Tel: +46 31 50 79 40 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sun Sparc-Station 5 and Debian
>Hello Anders, Derrick, all :) > >just another thing: > >What about differences in programming (app & sys level) a Debian PC-Box >and >a Debian Sparc Box? Different symbols, directories, headers, hierarchy, >etc. >I already read the Portability-HOWTO, but this covers only differences >between >Un*x dists. So may i assume that there are no differences when using the >same >dist on different architectures? Or only minor differences? >BTW, programming in C and C++ (maybe a bit assembler) >From what I've seen, the differences between Sparc and i386 Linux are minor. There are differences, but most of them are related hardware or the fact that the Sparc dist is still young. Programming on S/Linux is really no different from programming on i386 Linux as long as you are not dealing with the kernel directly - or forget that the Sparc is bigendian while the i386 is littleendian. >P.S.: >I remember installing MkLinux on an Apple-PPC a few years ago. Many >things >were different - even after i made it to compile most of slackware and >ran it >- things were different. MkLinux uses the Mach Kernel. So this may be >the main >reason? I'd guess that part of it was the Mach kernel, and part of it was that in those days Linux was different - it feels more normal now, or maybe it's just that I've used it longer? ;-) MkLinux of course was also rather young at the time, which I suppose would make it differnet. Regards, /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | Mud at Kingdoms| [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetGuide Scandinavia | telnet kingdoms.se 1812| Fax: +46 31 50 79 39 http://www.netg.se | | Tel: +46 31 50 79 40 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sun Sparc-Station 5 and Debian
(O) (O) 4 sense gnd 6o 7o 8o 9o 10o 5 composite sync * * 6 horizontal sync* 7 gnd* * Considered obsolete, may not be 8 sense #1 connected.9 sense #0 10 composite gnd The codes for the three monitor-sense bits are: 0 ??? 4 1152 x 900 76Hz 19" 1 reserved 5 reserved 2 1280 x 1024 76Hz 6 1152 x 900 76Hz 16-17" 3 1152 x 900 66Hz 7 no monitor connected >My monitors supply std VGA monitor connectors and 5BNC (RGB and HV >sync). Another cable with 5BNC connector <--> std VGA connector is >here, too. So i have to buy another cable and/or an adapter - or to >solder it myself. Well my sparcclassic is hooked up to an ordinary multisync with half of a 13W3 <--> 13W3 cable that has had 4BNC:s (RGB + C sync. Usually one of H or V sync on the monitor doubles as C sync) inplanted on it. Works fine ;-) Regards, /Anders-- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | Mud at Kingdoms| [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetGuide Scandinavia | telnet kingdoms.se 1812| Fax: +46 31 50 79 39 http://www.netg.se | | Tel: +46 31 50 79 40 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sun Sparc-Station 5 and Debian
>> First off, do you know what graphics card it is (probably a cg6 or a TCX)? > >I thought other than the onboard-SS4 8bit TCX, all TCXs did 24 bit? I think so too, but he didn't say it was 8bit, only 2D accelerated which the TCX is. >> while ago I used SunOS). One thing to watch for on installing Linux though >> is that it doesn't (really, it boots now though) support the TurboSparc >> processor that's found in some sparcstation 4 and 5's (it's the 170 MHz >> variant. If you have a 70, 85 or 110 MHz machine you're fine). > >Wait another day or so;-) Nice! Now if I only had one to try it on ;-) Regards, /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | Mud at Kingdoms| [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetGuide Scandinavia | telnet kingdoms.se 1812| Fax: +46 31 50 79 39 http://www.netg.se | | Tel: +46 31 50 79 40 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sun Sparc-Station 5 and Debian
>First i have to say sorry for the long posting ;) >I'm receiving a used Sparc5 this weekend. So i have a few questions >(of which some may be a little offtopic): > >2GB SCSI-HD, 32MB-RAM, 2D Gfx card (fast for wireframe, i think), FDD >and >CD_ROM. Lucky you! ;-) >The Gfx card seems to be a problem. We tried many different monitors >(all >of them should've been able to produce a normal screen) - but none of >them found any signal to display. Last we tried a monitor with fixed >frequency and finally got some output on the screen. The output was >scattered as if the Sparc and the monitor were not in sync or generally >use >and expect different frequencies. Hitting Alt-F(1-8) did change the >display >a bit and after a few more hits the screen went black and stayed black >until reboot. First off, do you know what graphics card it is (probably a cg6 or a TCX)? Recent Sun graphics cards run at [EMAIL PROTECTED], however it's possble to change the resoltion and refresh rates on some (most?) either via the monitor identity pins in the connector or by setting the output-device variable in the NVRAM. If you have a recent Sun monitor and nothing in the NVRAM, it should work. A few thoughts: Sun framebuffers generally don't do sync on green, so if you are using 13W3->coax converter make sure it has 4 BNCs. IIRC SGI uses 13W3 connector but do sync on green. Another idea might be to forcibly set resolution and refresh rate (though not all framebuffers support more than one rate). Try setting output-device to screen:r1152x900x76 or screen:r1152x900x66 (the latter is the old Sun standard refresh rate). You do this by typing setenv output-device blah at the prom ok prompt, or, from Linux, by echo blah > /proc/openprom/options/output-device, or, from SunOS/Solaris eeprom output-device=blah. (If you unplug the keyboard and hook a terminal 9600 baud 8n1 to serial port A you get a console there). >The first thing for me is to install Debian :) (stable enough?) > >The second thing may be to install Solaris (pro's, con's, suggestions?) Solaris is still more stable than Linux, but it has a significantly larger memory footprint. If you plan on running X, 32MB isn't enough. Meanwhile my sparc classic with 24MB doesn't swap too badly when I compile stuff with it (though I generally don't run X on it, I just build it ;). >32MB RAM is not much. I would like to install a minimal System on the >Sun >and hope that memory will be enough to run without much swapping. > >Is it illusionary to assume that the Debian base, a bit net, min. X >server, >and one or two additional daemons, packages will run without much >swapping? I would think it is doable, SunOS was usable with 16 MB in a machine, and from the feel of it Linux is about the same size (though it was a while ago I used SunOS). One thing to watch for on installing Linux though is that it doesn't (really, it boots now though) support the TurboSparc processor that's found in some sparcstation 4 and 5's (it's the 170 MHz variant. If you have a 70, 85 or 110 MHz machine you're fine). Regards, /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | Mud at Kingdoms| [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetGuide Scandinavia | telnet kingdoms.se 1812| Fax: +46 31 50 79 39 http://www.netg.se | | Tel: +46 31 50 79 40 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sun keyboard repeat rate mystery solved
As promised, I've looked in to the keyboard repeat rate problem, and I've actually figured it out. It's quite simple really... kbdrate as shipped in util-linux talks to a PC keyboard to set its repeat rate (which, obviously, does not work for a Sun keyboard). Xsun doesn't grok xset r Xsun does grok (and sets the repeat rate when started with) -ar1 (delay) and -ar2 (repeat) options. I've hacked up a quick sunkbdrate program which gets/sets the repeat rate from the console (X will use this rate as well unless you use -ar1/2. -ar1/2 will not affect the console). You can fetch source and binary from ftp.netg.se:/pub/Linux/sparc/ sunkbdrate and sunkbdrate.c Regards, /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | Mud at Kingdoms| [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetGuide Scandinavia | telnet kingdoms.se 1812| Fax: +46 31 50 79 39 http://www.netg.se | | Tel: +46 31 50 79 40 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Trivial programs =)
> > Probably gpm and X not getting along when both are talking to /dev/mouse. > > I'll look in to this and see if I can figure something out. > > Which reminds me. I had to manually symlink /dev/mouse to /dev/sunmouse > to get anything to work. Shouldn't that happen automagically at some > stage? I'd guess that MAKEDEV generic-sparc would do that... I'll have the Xserver postinst make sure it's OK... Regards, /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | Mud at Kingdoms| [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetGuide Scandinavia | telnet kingdoms.se 1812| Fax: +46 31 50 79 39 http://www.netg.se | | Tel: +46 31 50 79 40 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apt
> > >Installs are going well either side of me, and I've downloaded (not yet > > >tested) the X debs from netg.se. > > > > Great! Let me know how X works out. > > X appears to work well. To recap, this is an SS2 with a cg6. It's groovy > - lovely and fast (shame about the 8-bit). > > However, there are bugs in the vc handling. I have not yet managed to > pind down a reproducible case, but here are the symptoms I sometimes see: > > 1) For no apparent resaon, X will suddenly blast itself on top of whatever > VC I'm using. From that time on, it will apparently 'own' both VC 7, and > the VC it blasted onto. It is often possible to fix this by explicitly > running chvt (preferably from a telnet session). However, then the > keymaps will be buggered. Careful use of chvt and kbd_mode is required > over telnet to restore things. > > 2) Sometimes the keymaps will bugger up when switching terminals in any > case. Hmm, I'll see if I can figure out what is going on here (I only have a classic with a cg3 so I might not even be able to generate the effect). > And, unrealted to that... > > 3) There is an overlap which stops xsun-utils being installed. kbd_mode > and constype (at least, maybe more) are in xbase. Versions all at > 3.3.2.2-1.2 This I know about. I'll fix it for 3.3.2.2-3.1 which I'll build shortly. Regards, /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | Mud at Kingdoms| [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetGuide Scandinavia | telnet kingdoms.se 1812| Fax: +46 31 50 79 39 http://www.netg.se | | Tel: +46 31 50 79 40 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sparc status? A cry for information, and an offer to help
>The String problems can be fixed relatively easily by casting char*'s to >class Stings's. I got to problems at link time dealing with the STL vector >template. Actually, I get the same problems on my hamm x86 system, so I'm >not sure how that binary got compiled either. The errors that I get are >some of the oddest that I've seen, but here they are: > >gcc -o update-menus -g -fhandle-exceptions -Wall update-menus.o adstring.o >-lstdc++ #-lg++ >update-menus.o: In function `vector >>::~vector(void)': >/usr/include/g++/stl_vector.h(.gnu.linkonce.t.construct__H2Zt4pair2ZC6StringZ6StringZt4pair2ZC6StringZ6String_PX01RCX11_v+0x14): > undefined reference to `operator new(unsigned int, void *)' [more errors] That's an error I've seen more places. Try linking with g++ instead of gcc and see if the errors go away. There are all sorts of tidbits that get linked in with a c++ binary that c binaries don't get. Regards, /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | Mud at Kingdoms| [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetGuide Scandinavia | telnet kingdoms.se 1812| Fax: +46 31 50 79 39 http://www.netg.se | | Tel: +46 31 50 79 40 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sparc port? glibc? help?
>> > Sparc Debian doesn't work on my SS20. The kernel in the tftpboot >> > image doesn't boot, and it doesn't work with the 2.1.93 kernel that I >> > have been using for months. I suspect the problem is related to the >> > beta glibc-2.1.x that is used on Debian Sparc. I spent many hours >> > building a newer release of glibc (2.0.94), which segfaults with >> > everything (I suspect everyting needs to be recompiled with the new >> > library - the dynamic loader does work). > >> It may be that the pagesize fix we have hasn't made it upstream yet, libc >> thinking that the pagesize is 8k when it is really 4k has that effect. > >I applied all of the patches that were in the current Debian package >(one change was rejected and had to be made by hand). Is this patch >included in the current Debian package? If it was still needed for it should be there - though I haven't looked at it so I don't now for sure. IIRC it was Johnnie Ingram who compiled the last libc6. >Is this stuff (the 8k pagesize fix) discussed anywhere? I haven't >subscribed to the glibc mailing list because it says "no lurkers". (I >currently am on debian-sparc, redhat-sparc, sparc-linux and ultra-linux.) It was discussed here when we found it, at the time Debian was the only libc6-based distribution for sparc as far as I know. I don't know if it was taken up on the libc6 mailing list, since I'm not subscribed to it either. Look in the archives from around new year. >> > (The quickest way to fix Debian would be to switch to the non-beta >> > glibc from UltraPenguin 1.0.9 and Red Hat 5.1 and recompile >> > _everything_.) > >> We discussed this when the back-port of sparc support to glibc2.0 first >> appeared and decided not to go that way. I think it was the right thing to >> do, as there really aren't any major problems with glibc anymore. > >Ok. Has anyone gotten the current Debian Sparc system to work with >recent kernels? 2.0.33 has been working well for me, and I've had some success with 2.1.93 (from vger CVS). Later 2.1 kernels have been problematic (lots of segfaulting, probably related to the changes in VM handling). I intend to keep trying the 2.1.x kernels from vger (though lately they've been severely broken due to the framebuffer changes). I hope to get around to trying 2.0.35 as well. Regards, /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | Mud at Kingdoms| [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetGuide Scandinavia | telnet kingdoms.se 1812| Fax: +46 31 50 79 39 http://www.netg.se | | Tel: +46 31 50 79 40 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Trivial programs =)
>Netscape for Linux/Sparc would be nice. I looked at Netscape's site >and found Sparc versions for Solaris & SunOS. Can I run one of these? If you can get ahold of the libraries from Solaris or SunOS it should work (at least SunOS, not sure about Solaris). IIRC, you put your SunOS libs under /usr/genemul/sunos. (Haven't tried it myself.) >I can't seem to build the JRE on my SS5, bombs on the dpkg-shlibs. The java packages are a binary-only distribution for i386 (unless that has changed recently). You will probably have better luck with kaffe. >And what's up with gpm losing control of the mouse when >xdm/Xwindows is running? Is that the poor handling of the tty's mentioned >here earlier? Is that a kernel problem? Handled in the unstable kernel tree? Probably gpm and X not getting along when both are talking to /dev/mouse. I'll look in to this and see if I can figure something out. Regards, /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | Mud at Kingdoms| [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetGuide Scandinavia | telnet kingdoms.se 1812| Fax: +46 31 50 79 39 http://www.netg.se | | Tel: +46 31 50 79 40 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MP / ISDN support in Linux?
>I just got started with debian-linux last week. Unlike some on this >list I didn't have too much trouble getting everything to work. I do >have some questions though. I'm using a SparcStation 10 with two >50 MHz TMS390Z55 processors. Does Linux support 2 processors? How >about the built-in ISDN interface my SS10 has? I think that the 2.1.x tree on vger will use multiple CPUs in a sun4m box if you set SMP=1 in the Makefile. I've heard that there was work on ISDN support for the DBRI but I don't know how usable it is. Check the isdn4linux project (sorry, don't have a URL handy). Regards, /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | Mud at Kingdoms| [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetGuide Scandinavia | telnet kingdoms.se 1812| Fax: +46 31 50 79 39 http://www.netg.se | | Tel: +46 31 50 79 40 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sparc status/my two cents
>I would like to add the problem of keyboard repeat. No one seems to >care but it is very important to me. I have to enter my password many >times just to login because I can't make my keyborad not repeating my >password. May be I have a special type of typing with my finger >staying on the key longer than ordinary folk. I've been meaning to have a look at it, I just haven't had the time yet. The repeat delay does seem rather short (I counted about 0.2 s), and as far as I can tell it's kernel related (though, as I said, I haven't really had the time to look at it yet). Regards, /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | Mud at Kingdoms| [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetGuide Scandinavia | telnet kingdoms.se 1812| Fax: +46 31 50 79 39 http://www.netg.se | | Tel: +46 31 50 79 40 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ldd probs
>ldd seems to be badly broken on sparc - and this impacts dpkg-shlibdeps, >which makes package building hard. I presume this is a known problem. >What is its status? I couldn't see anything in the BTS, but maybe I'm not >looking the the right place.. A long time ago (fall/winter of last year) we had severe problems with libc6 and ldd. I do hope they haven't come back. Please check your version of libc6. Anything after Feb '98 should be OK I think. Regards, /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | Mud at Kingdoms| [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetGuide Scandinavia | telnet kingdoms.se 1812| Fax: +46 31 50 79 39 http://www.netg.se | | Tel: +46 31 50 79 40 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apt
>Installs are going well either side of me, and I've downloaded (not yet >tested) the X debs from netg.se. Great! Let me know how X works out. >So, I'm wondering - why is there no apt for sparc? Is there a known >technical issue, or should I simply get the source, try a compile, and >submit any necessary diffs? Not that I've tried apt, but most packages that don't exist are just in the need of a compile. So please do try and complie apt. The usual way, if patches are required, are to submit the patches to the bug report system and upload the patched binaries with an NMU version number. Regards, /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | Mud at Kingdoms| [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetGuide Scandinavia | telnet kingdoms.se 1812| Fax: +46 31 50 79 39 http://www.netg.se | | Tel: +46 31 50 79 40 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SPARC 2 floppy boot fails
>I have this exact problem--with the added fact that my SCSI device >does not seem to be supported by the current netboot image. I would be >willing to help solve these problems if I could get my Sparc IPX working >either way. I could try to set up cross-compilation from my i586 system, >but I assume that would be more trouble then it is worth... Care to give some further details on your SCSI troubles? The IPX uses some variant of the Qlogic esp chip (the esp100a IIRC) which is more or less the same as the SCSI chip in all sun4c and sun4m machines, the only real difference being that the later models support higher clock rates on the SCSI bus. All variants should be supported by the esp driver in the kernel. (My Sparc Classic has worked nicely with all the netboot images I've tried.) Regards, /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | Mud at Kingdoms| [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetGuide Scandinavia | telnet kingdoms.se 1812| Fax: +46 31 50 79 39 http://www.netg.se | | Tel: +46 31 50 79 40 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X
I've applied a few more patches, uploaded the packages to master (or will, as soon as the routing tables get back in order...) and sent the patches to the bug tracking system. The most major thing I did was to change Xsun to try /dev/fb[0123] before trying /dev/fb. That way it should find all you nifty extra framebuffers and not just the default on. (If anyone has, or can lay hands on, a machine with more than one framebuffer, or a cg4 - that qualifies as two, please do try it out). The packages are at ftp.netg.se:/pub/Linux/sparc/X as usual. Oh, and Ctrl-Alt-Fn and Ctrl-Alt-BackSpace work in these last versions (at least on my SparcClassic/cg3/2.0.33). Regards, /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | Mud at Kingdoms| [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetGuide Scandinavia | telnet kingdoms.se 1812| Fax: +46 31 50 79 39 http://www.netg.se | | Tel: +46 31 50 79 40 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X Stuff.
>Umm, well I am at the point where I am using Dselect to install all the >crap I want, including X and stuff... but it gets so far, then complains >about depending and needing packages which are not available. >I can't remember which ones they were off the top of my head. I am at work >and can't check, but it seemed to me X wasn't finished enuf, and vital >packages weren't available to make X work. So I haven't even installed X at >this stage. At this point, there are no sparc X-server packages available from master (IIRC there is an xlib6 though). There are however test packages available at ftp.netg.se:/pub/Linux/sparc/X. If noone makes any complaints about the packages I intend to apply a few more fixes and run another build this weekend. If I don't run in to any problems I'll send them off to master on Monday. Regards, /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | Mud at Kingdoms| [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetGuide Scandinavia | telnet kingdoms.se 1812| Fax: +46 31 50 79 39 http://www.netg.se | | Tel: +46 31 50 79 40 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X compilation failure
> > Hmm, something didn't build right. Look for lines with *** in the > > World.log that got generated by the build script, they should give > > What's weird is that there are no lines like that in there at any > place. Even stranger is that the errors with some yy... function that > I saw scroll by when it was compiling twm (one of the things it > complained about at the end) never appear in the world log. I have no > idea why not. Now that you mention it, I recall fixing a redirection of stderr in rules... > > you an idea of what went wrong. (Also, you probably want to use the > > patches I added to get the packages created right. They are in > > ftp.netg.se:/pub/Linux/sparc/X/xfree86.diff.gz - note that they > > include Mikes second patch as well). > > Has anybody made binary packages yet? If so, I'd prefer to avoid > recompiling the whole thing myself :-) Yes, I have. It's in the same place (ftp.netg.se:/pub/Linux/sparc/X). Didn't my announcement of it make it to the list? (I think I remember getting a copy back) Regards, /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | Mud at Kingdoms| [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetGuide Scandinavia | telnet kingdoms.se 1812| Fax: +46 31 50 79 39 http://www.netg.se | | Tel: +46 31 50 79 40 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X compilation failure
>This was from the second patch posted at the Purdue site.
>
>Anyway, at the end, I got these errors:
>
>cp: debian/xtree/usr/X11R6/bin/Xnest: No such file or directory
>cp: debian/xtree/usr/X11R6/bin/Xprt: No such file or directory
>no utmp entry available, using value of LOGNAME ("jgoerzen") at
>/usr/lib/dpkg/controllib.pl line 16.
>dpkg-deb: building package `xslibg' in `../xslibg_3.3.2.2-1.1_sparc.deb'.
>cp: debian/xtree/usr/X11R6/bin/Xvfb: No such file or directory
>make: *** [binary-arch] Error 1
Hmm, something didn't build right. Look for lines with *** in the
World.log that got generated by the build script, they should give
you an idea of what went wrong. (Also, you probably want to use the
patches I added to get the packages created right. They are in
ftp.netg.se:/pub/Linux/sparc/X/xfree86.diff.gz - note that they
include Mikes second patch as well).
Regards,
/Anders
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X build
Hi, AFter quite a few CPU cycles on my classic, I've got X (with Mike's patches) built. I have not uplodaded it to master yet as there is at least one issue to fix. You can get the packages from ftp.netg.se:/pub/Linux/spar c/X I had to make a few patches to the debian stuff to get it to build right. The combined patches is in xfree86.diff.gz The "problem" (rather minor, but anyway) is that Xsun looks for /dev/fb (as a last resort after trying all the individual devices (bwtwo[0-3], cg*[0-3] ...) whereas linux provides fb0. I modified the postinstall to make a symlink from fb to fb0, but we should probably fix Xsun to look for fb0 (and possibly fb1, it does after all support multiheaded machines). Regards, /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | Mud at Kingdoms| [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetGuide Scandinavia | telnet kingdoms.se 1812| Fax: +46 31 50 79 39 http://www.netg.se | | Tel: +46 31 50 79 40 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X server (again)
>> >>>>> "Michael" == Michael Shuey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Michael> If someone with the time/ability to compile X and upload it >> Michael> would like to do so, please email me and I'll send you a >> Michael> copy of the patch. >> >> Yes, please! How big is the patch? Would it be easier to pick-up via >> ftp/http? > >As a previous email seems not to have been sent, I will repeat. The patch is >130k and can be found at http://expert.cc.purdue.edu/~shuey/sparc/ (no, I >can't put it on an FTP site). I'm working on producing binaries, but >progress is slow since my main sparc box has some problems at the moment. >If you have a problem with this patch, please email me. I've put a copy at ftp.netg.se:/pub/Linux/sparc/X/xfree-3.3.2.2-sun.diff.gz I'll see if I can arrange some diskspace for a build. Regards, /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | Mud at Kingdoms| [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetGuide Scandinavia | telnet kingdoms.se 1812| Fax: +46 31 50 79 39 http://www.netg.se | | Tel: +46 31 50 79 40 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: openprom
>anyone au fait with how to access the OPENPROM under debian/linux (for >example, to change boot device, to put a pengiun in the boot graphic, >etc..). do i need a package for it? is it just echo and the like? is it >documented *anywhere*? Don't know if it's documented anywhere, but if you load the module openpromfs (I think) you'll get the entire openprom tree under /proc/openprom /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | Mud at Kingdoms| [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetGuide Scandinavia | telnet kingdoms.se 1812| Fax: +46 31 50 79 39 http://www.netg.se | | Tel: +46 31 50 79 40 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Where can I find libc6-2.0.93?
>When trying to install bind (bind_8.1.2-1.deb), I get: > >dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of bind: >bind depends on libc6 (>= 2.0.93); however: >Version of libc6 on system is 2.0.92-980326-1. > >But I can't find libc6_2.0.93 on ftp.debian.org. Where is it? It's sitting in the incoming queue. You can get it from one of the incoming mirrors, for example ftp.lh.umu.se:/pub/linux/debian-Incoming Regards, /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | Mud at Kingdoms| [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetGuide Scandinavia | telnet kingdoms.se 1812| Fax: +46 31 50 79 39 http://www.netg.se | | Tel: +46 31 50 79 40 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Silo Needs the keyboard hit on reboot....
>How can I get my Sparc IPX to pass by the SILO Boot: >pause on boot (just hafta hit return?!?!?). Is there an >/etc/silo.conf entry? a NVRAM thing? timeout = in /etc/silo.conf will make it continue booting after sitting at the prompt for a bit. >How about a more curable time set on boot? Should I point it to >one of my SGI or Solaris boxes to get NTP? Install the xntp3 package and point it to your ntp server(s). Regards, /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | Mud at Kingdoms| [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetGuide Scandinavia | telnet kingdoms.se 1812| Fax: +46 31 50 79 39 http://www.netg.se | | Tel: +46 31 50 79 40 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: XServer?
>I try to setup a SparcStation SLC as an X-Terminal, but I can't find any >X-Server. Is it somewhere where I can't see it, or is there none? I tried to >steel one from a redhat system, but it can't set the fontpath (though the >directory exists and is full of fonts.) Hmm, maybe I should automate this reply... There is an experimental xserver-xsun package at ftp.netg.se:/pub/Linux/sparc/X that you can try. It doesn't support gzip:ed fonts, so you need to run xfs and pass it a font path on startup (-fp tcp/:7100). Check the list archives for more details. Regards, /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | Mud at Kingdoms| [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetGuide Scandinavia | telnet kingdoms.se 1812| Fax: +46 31 50 79 39 http://www.netg.se | | Tel: +46 31 50 79 40 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Where is xserver package reside?
>I install x11 packages on Sparc 1 (xlib6g_3.3.1-2, xbase_3.3.1-2, >xfnt100, xfnt75, xfntbase), but X don't start via startx. >I don't find xf86config and Xserver for it. > >In which packege reside xf86config and xserver? There is no xf86config for the sparc xserver (it's not needed). The X server is in xserver-sun (it has been floating around, I don't know if it ever made it to master. You can get it from ftp.netg.se:/pub/Linux/sparc/X). It has a few rough edges, the most problematic is that it doesn't support gzipped fonts so you need to run xfs and pass -fp tcp/host_with_xfs:7100 to the xserver when you start it. Regards, /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | Mud at Kingdoms| [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetGuide Scandinavia | telnet kingdoms.se 1812| Fax: +46 31 50 79 39 http://www.netg.se | | Tel: +46 31 50 79 40 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sparc autocompile has begun
>Johnie> Not problems so far: >[snip] >Johnie> perl 5.004 > >Johnie> ;-) > >Did you run make test against perl? There's a bug in the libm exp >handling that perl demonstrates nicely by dying with a SIGFPE. If I >ever get five free minutes I'm going to try & track it down - right >after I upload a NMU for gdb. :) >From what I could tell, the bug was not in libm, but rather a case of missing floating point emulation in the kernel. Get a recent kernel from vger and try with that (it was fixed in the mid 2.1.90's and backported to 2.0.3x at about the same time). Regards, /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | Mud at Kingdoms| [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetGuide Scandinavia | telnet kingdoms.se 1812| Fax: +46 31 50 79 39 http://www.netg.se | | Tel: +46 31 50 79 40 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Looking for Media
>I am willing and ready to run a beta debian release on my Sparc IPX. All >I need to know is where to go to get installation media. I can make >floppies (assuming that I can dd an image from BeOS or Linux and have it >work on my Sparc), or burn a CD if I need to. At the moment, I don't think there are any CDs (or CD images) for sparc available. What you need to install is the binary-sparc and binary-all directories from the hamm distribution. Boot disks (and a netboot image) are in disks-sparc. I've had luck installing by netbooting with a straight kernel and root on NFS (I don't have a floppy in my sparc). Regards, /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | Mud at Kingdoms| [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetGuide Scandinavia | telnet kingdoms.se 1812| Fax: +46 31 50 79 39 http://www.netg.se | | Tel: +46 31 50 79 40 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: troubles with dynamic libraries
>The problem I experimented in running dpkg 1.4.0.22 (it hangs) seems to come >from dynamic library handling. In fact, I see the same behavior with paperconf >(from the libpaper 1.0.3-9 package I just compiled). >Both programs are linked with local dynamic libraries (libdpkg & libpaper). >When I relink them with their static counterpart, they work. > >IMO, either the dynamic loader misinterprets some symbol bindings or the linker >emits bad bindings. > >Anyone experienced similar problems in compiling packages which provide their >own libraries ? >The bug could come from binutils, so is there new binutils available ? >(I saw an announce about 2.9.1 release, anybody packaged it ?). That would explain the oddities I was seeing when trying to compile the lastest newt. Running the old redhat gdb on the binaries, it looked like something (either the dynamic loader missing them, or the linker forgetting to emit - though I would suspect the latter) missed a bunch of relocations in dynamically loaded objects. Function calls within the dynamically loaded object didn't get bound, and ended up looping contiuously. One of the reasons I suspect binutils is that the alpha port recently got struck by a broken dpkg. It segfaulted when dynamically linked, but not statically, and the new binutils (2.9.1) seem to have fixed it. Regards, /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | Mud at Kingdoms| [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetGuide Scandinavia | telnet kingdoms.se 1812| Fax: +46 31 50 79 39 http://www.netg.se | | Tel: +46 31 50 79 40 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: XSun and Dpkg-devel
>Now... back to the current problem... Is there any FAQ/HOWTO's for getting >X running on debian sparc? Not that I know of, but I have managed to get it running... >I have grabbed the redhat Xsun server rpm, and installed the Xsun server >in /usr/X11R6/bin There is a Debian package as well (though it appears to not have made it to master, possibly because of it's limited usefulness). You can fetch it from ftp.netg.se:/pub/Linux/sparc/X/xserver-xsun* (get xsun-utils as well. kbd_mode is handy when the sever crashes). My hints are relative to that package, I don't know if they apply to the Red Hat package as well. >I had to created a link from /usr/X11R6 to /usr/X11R6.1 as well. > >When I try and startx I get the following errors: > >Couldn't open RGB_DB '/usr/X11R6.1/lib/X11/rgb' This is probably an artifact of it being a Red Hat package... >and > >PEXExtensionInit: Couldn't open default PEX font file Roman_Mfailed to set >the default font path '/usr/X11R6.1/lib/X11/fonts...etc...' >Fatal server error: >could not set default font 'fixed' > > >I have installed all the font packages from the the denbian 2.0 sparch >ports, and the font paths it is looking for exist. The problem is that the fonts supplied with Debian are compressed and Xsun does not know how to deal with compressed fonts. The quick fix is to run xfs on the machine as well, and start Xsun with -fp tcp/localhost:7100 to have it get fonts from xfs (which will decompress the fonts before sending them). /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | Mud at Kingdoms| [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetGuide Scandinavia | telnet kingdoms.se 1812| Fax: +46 31 50 79 39 http://www.netg.se | | Tel: +46 31 50 79 40 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Installing Dpkg-devel
>I have been trying to compile a kernel on a sparcstation 10, I have >installed all the kernel source and patched aswell. > >When I try to install the dpkg-dev packages to run make-kpkg I get the >following error: > >gnome# dpkg -i dpkg-dev_1.4.0.22.deb >(Reading database ... 18925 files and directories currently installed.) >Unpacking dpkg-dev (from dpkg-dev_1.4.0.22.deb) ... >dpkg: error processing dpkg-dev_1.4.0.22.deb (--install): >trying to overwrite `/usr/doc/dpkg/packaging.html/index.html', which is >also in >package dpkg >dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) >Errors were encountered while processing: >dpkg-dev_1.4.0.22.deb > >Has anyone seen this before? I have tried removing all packages related to >dpkg, aswell as dpkg-dev (even though it is not installed). >I have also tried removing the index.html file, and the entire >/usr/doc/dpkg directory tree. That particular file has moved from dpkg to dpkg-deb in 1.4.0.22. Until we get a dpkg_1.4.0.22 for sparc, you have to do dpkg --force-overwrite -i dpkg-dev_1.4.0.22.deb (or find an older dpkg-dev). Also, I've noticed some odd behaviour of gzip complaining when running dpkg on 2.1.9x kernels (haven't had the time to localize the problem). Regards, /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | Mud at Kingdoms| [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetGuide Scandinavia | telnet kingdoms.se 1812| Fax: +46 31 50 79 39 http://www.netg.se | | Tel: +46 31 50 79 40 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Netra I5 (headless box)
>A while ago I posted a message about not being able to use the Debian >install disks on my I5 because I have no "real" tty ... the console is a >serial terminal. Someone (Eric Delaunay iirc) said this was due to some >problems with init wanting to open a non-serial tty ... I don't have the >email in front of me but I can remember appreciating the problem :) > >Question: am I SOL running Linux on the I5 until init is patched? or >are there ways around this? I'll install another distro and hack it >back to Debian if I have to ... Way back in 1.3 days I managed to install debian on a headless sparc. There is nothing in init that requires that the tty is the console, it will work (or did at least then) with a serial console. What I did to get the output in the right place was to change /dev/console, /dev/tty0 and /dev/tty1 to symlinks /dev/ttyS0 (I think, maybe I used mknod to change the minor) on the install root (this implies that you have to have access to machine which can read/write ext2). After you are installed, you have to make sure that init runs a getty on your serial port (boot singleuser if it doesn't and edit inittab). Other than that I don't recall having any problems. (The 'normal' init doesn't have problems with the serial console, it's just the one on the install disks). /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | Mud at Kingdoms| [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetGuide Scandinavia | telnet kingdoms.se 1812| Fax: +46 31 50 79 39 http://www.netg.se | | Tel: +46 31 50 79 40 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
/bin/kill is broken! (was Re: SIGPWR)
>I'm trying to build sysvinit 2.74-4 but init.c refers to SIGPWR macro which >is not defined on sparc. Neither the kernel sparc sources (2.0.33 & 2.1.78 >checked) nor the libc6-dev package provide it. >Refering to the manpage signal(7), SIGPWR could be 29, but it is also SIGLOST. >What is it's real value ? Aaargh! (or, I just tried to figure it out...) It seems that there is some confusion about which signals do what on the sparc. bash does not list a PWR signal, /bin/kill does. So I tried /bin/kill -PWR to see what signal I got: susan# /bin/kill -PWR $! [1]+ User defined signal 1 ./strace sleep 300 Hmm, USR1 is 30 according to bash & signal.h. Lets try /bin/kill -USR1: susan# /bin/kill -USR1 $! [1]+ Bus error ./strace sleep 300 It would seem that /bin/kill is sending signals according to i386 signal numbers... From what I can gather, sparc doesn't really have a PWR signal at the moment, Solaris (and presumably SunOS) use 19 (which is SIGCONT for us). This may be somthing to ask on the sparclinux list... Regards, /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | Mud at Kingdoms| [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetGuide Scandinavia | telnet kingdoms.se 1812| Fax: +46 31 50 79 39 http://www.netg.se | | Tel: +46 31 50 79 40 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: libc6 perl (Re: Sun Netra I5)
>Eric> BTW, it there a libc6 perl package available ? I heard it >Eric> didn't pass all the regression tests, but could it be >Eric> uploaded as is ? It is almost needed by the boot disks. > >As it exists (for me) now, it has some major SIGFPE problems, and SDBM_File >seems thoroughly broken. I'm loath to put it up as is. >From what I've been able to determine, that is due to missing math-emulation in the kernel. I've been trying to get python to work, and had similar problems. Running with a recent 2.1 kernel from vger got rid of the SIGFPE:s, so now I get SIGSEGV in libm.so:feupdateenv() instead... :-/ Regards, /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | Mud at Kingdoms| [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetGuide Scandinavia | telnet kingdoms.se 1812| Fax: +46 31 50 79 39 http://www.netg.se | | Tel: +46 31 50 79 40 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xbase
>I don't have enough disk space for a development env so for now I can >only report... > >$ /usr/X11R6/bin/Xsun >(using VT number 7) > >Couldn't load XKB keymap, falling back to pre-XKB keymap >failed to set default font path >'/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/' >Fatal server error: >could not open default font 'fixed' > >Any ideas? Xsun does (unfortunately) not know about gzipped fonts. The easy fix is to set up a local X font server (xfs), and start Xsun with '-fp tcp/localhost:7100' >These are the packages currently installed. >ii xslibg 3.3.1-2.2 Statically linked versions of the libraries You don't need xslibg if you're not doing any development (and hardly even if you are). It's only use is to create statically linked X clients. >While traking down the first error I noticed that >xkbcomp xkbprint xkbvleds xkbwatch all Segmentation fault. They may need to be recompiled with the new libc... Do you get any messages about changed or undefined symbols? >And one last thing related to getting the X server working; what >replaces xbase-configure for sparc?Is it needed? Nothing. Xsun knows how to figure out all the things that can change on a sparc on demand (including keyboard layout, as long as you want the one that matches the keyboard). Though it would be nice if there was someplace one could keep the font path... /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | Mud at Kingdoms| [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetGuide Scandinavia | telnet kingdoms.se 1812| Fax: +46 31 50 79 39 http://www.netg.se | | Tel: +46 31 50 79 40 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xserver-xsun package
>To Whom it May Concern: > >I've created Debian packages for Xsun, XsunMono, and Xsun24 (and the other >Sun-specific programs built along with the servers). I'm not entirely sure >that I've got all the bugs out but these seem to work for me. If you have time >(and a Debian-sparc machine with a monitor) please try these out. You can >anonymous-ftp them from: > >tark-a-034.resnet.purdue.edu/pub/debian-sparc And if you're on this side of the pond you can find a copy of the directory in: ftp.netg.se:/pub/Linux/sparc/X/ /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | Mud at Kingdoms| [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetGuide Scandinavia | telnet kingdoms.se 1812| Fax: +46 31 50 79 39 http://www.netg.se | | Tel: +46 31 50 79 40 -- E-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xserver-xsun package
>That was it. I had to do similiar for /dev/sunmouse >Now I get, > >Couldn't open RGB_DB '/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb' >(using VT number 7) That file (and lot's of other useful things) is in the xbase package. >Fatal server error: >no screens found I believe that Xsun gives that message when it can't find a useable /dev/fb*. Anyway, I did MAKEDEV generic-sparc and it worked without any problems (cgthreee framebuffer) Regards, /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | Mud at Kingdoms| [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetGuide Scandinavia | telnet kingdoms.se 1812| Fax: +46 31 50 79 39 http://www.netg.se | | Tel: +46 31 50 79 40 -- E-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: hamm freeze
eption "DIVBYZERO" is not set Pass: Exception "INVALID" is not set Pass: Exception "INEXACT" is not set Pass: Exception "UNDERFLOW" is not set Pass: Exception "OVERFLOW" is not set Test: Set/Clear FE_INEXACT: set flag, with rest set Pass: Exception "DIVBYZERO" is set Pass: Exception "INVALID" is set Pass: Exception "INEXACT" is set Fail: Exception "UNDERFLOW" is not set Pass: Exception "OVERFLOW" is set Test: Set/Clear FE_INEXACT: clear flag, leave rest set Pass: Exception "DIVBYZERO" is set Pass: Exception "INVALID" is set Pass: Exception "INEXACT" is not set Fail: Exception "UNDERFLOW" is not set Pass: Exception "OVERFLOW" is set Test: Set/Clear FE_UNDERFLOW: set flag, with rest not set Pass: Exception "DIVBYZERO" is not set Pass: Exception "INVALID" is not set Fail: Exception "UNDERFLOW" is not set Pass: Exception "OVERFLOW" is not set Test: Set/Clear FE_UNDERFLOW: clear flag, rest also unset Pass: Exception "DIVBYZERO" is not set Pass: Exception "INVALID" is not set Pass: Exception "UNDERFLOW" is not set Pass: Exception "OVERFLOW" is not set Test: Set/Clear FE_UNDERFLOW: set flag, with rest set Pass: Exception "DIVBYZERO" is set Pass: Exception "INVALID" is set Pass: Exception "INEXACT" is set Fail: Exception "UNDERFLOW" is not set Pass: Exception "OVERFLOW" is set Test: Set/Clear FE_UNDERFLOW: clear flag, leave rest set Pass: Exception "DIVBYZERO" is set Pass: Exception "INVALID" is set Pass: Exception "INEXACT" is set Pass: Exception "UNDERFLOW" is not set Pass: Exception "OVERFLOW" is set Test: Set/Clear FE_OVERFLOW: set flag, with rest not set Pass: Exception "DIVBYZERO" is not set Pass: Exception "INVALID" is not set Pass: Exception "UNDERFLOW" is not set Pass: Exception "OVERFLOW" is set Test: Set/Clear FE_OVERFLOW: clear flag, rest also unset Pass: Exception "DIVBYZERO" is not set Pass: Exception "INVALID" is not set Pass: Exception "UNDERFLOW" is not set Pass: Exception "OVERFLOW" is not set Test: Set/Clear FE_OVERFLOW: set flag, with rest set Pass: Exception "DIVBYZERO" is set Pass: Exception "INVALID" is set Pass: Exception "INEXACT" is set Fail: Exception "UNDERFLOW" is not set Pass: Exception "OVERFLOW" is set Test: Set/Clear FE_OVERFLOW: clear flag, leave rest set Pass: Exception "DIVBYZERO" is set Pass: Exception "INVALID" is set Pass: Exception "INEXACT" is set Fail: Exception "UNDERFLOW" is not set Pass: Exception "OVERFLOW" is not set Test: after fesetenv (FE_NOMASK_ENV) processes will abort when feraiseexcept (FE_DIVBYZERO) is called. Pass: Process received SIGFPE. Test: after fesetenv (FE_DFL_ENV) processes will not abort when feraiseexcept (FE_DIVBYZERO) is called. Pass: Process exited normally. Test: after fesetenv (FE_NOMASK_ENV) processes will abort when feraiseexcept (FE_INVALID) is called. Pass: Process received SIGFPE. Test: after fesetenv (FE_DFL_ENV) processes will not abort when feraiseexcept (FE_INVALID) is called. Pass: Process exited normally. Test: after fesetenv (FE_NOMASK_ENV) processes will abort when feraiseexcept (FE_INEXACT) is called. Pass: Process received SIGFPE. Test: after fesetenv (FE_DFL_ENV) processes will not abort when feraiseexcept (FE_INEXACT) is called. Pass: Process exited normally. Test: after fesetenv (FE_NOMASK_ENV) processes will abort when feraiseexcept (FE_UNDERFLOW) is called. Pass: Process received SIGFPE. Test: after fesetenv (FE_DFL_ENV) processes will not abort when feraiseexcept (FE_UNDERFLOW) is called. Pass: Process exited normally. Test: after fesetenv (FE_NOMASK_ENV) processes will abort when feraiseexcept (FE_OVERFLOW) is called. Pass: Process received SIGFPE. Test: after fesetenv (FE_DFL_ENV) processes will not abort when feraiseexcept (FE_OVERFLOW) is called. Pass: Process exited normally. 11 errors occured. Exit 1 -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | Mud at Kingdoms| [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetGuide Scandinavia | telnet kingdoms.se 1812| Fax: +46 31 50 79 39 http://www.netg.se | | Tel: +46 31 50 79 40 -- E-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: hamm freeze
>> - glibca new release is available for testing > >I don't know if it's a problem with initgroups() or >getgroups(), but I get "cespedes root" when using `groups' (it should >be just "cespedes"). Does anyone else suffer this? Same here. It appears to be at least affecting initgroups, since I do get permissions for the root group (even though I'm not listed in it). I'm also having problems with programs dying with SIGFPE when trying to do floating point math. I haven't looked in to exactly what it affects yet, but it was the cause of the perl errors I spoke about yesterday. Regards, /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | Mud at Kingdoms| [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetGuide Scandinavia | telnet kingdoms.se 1812| Fax: +46 31 50 79 39 http://www.netg.se | | Tel: +46 31 50 79 40 -- E-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: hamm freeze
>hamm will be frozen in few days, but what should be made about the sparc >port? Are we ready for a release? As it looks right now, probably not. Though the new glibc looks really promising (I just compiled perl against it, and it no longer needs LD_BIND_NOW. Unfortunately it fails a few math tests. It's in ftp.net.se:/pub/Linux/sparc - please test it). However, given that we will be allowed to 'catch up' with the Intel release during the Freeze (at least that's the impression I got) we may be able to get a release together. >If we want to release something, we need at least a core distribution (base & >net stuff, some admin tools, minimal X11 stuff). > >So, can we write a list of what should be (re)compiled first ? >It comes to mind some packages already in the process queue: >- silo big troubles with libc6 :-(( >- glibca new release is available for testing >- binutils 2.8.1.0.21 is out (maybe solve the silo problems ???) >- boot-disks a beta release was uploaded to master few days ago >- xserver-sun no X11 server packaged Arre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> and I (mostly Arre) are working on Xsun. If we don't run in to any problems (we probably will) it should be ready shortly. I also hope to have a look at libstdc++ to see if I can get it to stop segfaulting when doing IO. (incidentally, I'd like to know if anyone else is experiencing these problems with the current libstdc++). Regards, /Anders - back from vacation. -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | Mud at Kingdoms| [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetGuide Scandinavia | telnet kingdoms.se 1812| Fax: +46 31 50 79 39 http://www.netg.se | | Tel: +46 31 50 79 40 -- E-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Arrgh, or, does anyone have a c++ compiler?
I've just discovered that both libg++2.7.2 and libstdc++2.8 dump core with
the new (980111) libc. It segfaults when it tries to do IO. Recompiling
does not help, so we seem to be without a c++ compiler for the moment.
Now the real wierd part is that old binaries (i.e. c++ compiled against
the old (9712xx) libc) work fine for the most part.
So, is it just me or does anyone else have problems with g++/eg++?
(No, not even "int main() { return 0; }" works)
/Anders
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Re: inital install & fdisk
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you write: >BTW, the next step will be to create the base archive. Then I will need libc6 >versions of packages not already rebuilt. >Especially, is anyone working on dpkg ? perl ? I got dpkg to compile decently. I'll have a final look at it and make sure everything is ok and then put it up on master. (I recall having some problem generating its documentation - worst-case that can be fixed by filtering the docs on some other platform). /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | Mud at Kingdoms| [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetGuide Scandinavia | telnet kingdoms.se 1812| Fax: +46 31 50 79 39 http://www.netg.se | | Tel: +46 31 50 79 40 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
gcc compiled with new libc
I have recompiled gcc (2.7.2.3) with the new libc, since some packages were having problems with the version on master. It's at ftp://ftp.netg.se/pub/Linux/sparc/gcc_2.7.2.3-3.0.1_sparc.deb If noone complains I guess I'll send it off to master eventually. /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | Mud at Kingdoms| [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetGuide Scandinavia | telnet kingdoms.se 1812| Fax: +46 31 50 79 39 http://www.netg.se | | Tel: +46 31 50 79 40 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: New glibc
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you write:
>I'm about to upload a new release of glibc, with some bugs
>fixed: strcmp(), and getdomainname() (and other unimplemented
>syscalls).
>
>Is there any other bug you would like to get fixed?
The getpagesize bug I mentioned earlier (affects ld-linux.so.2). This
is probably not the 100% correct fix, but at least it works.
/Anders
--- sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/sparc/sparc32/getpagesize.c.origMon Jan 12
13:13:06 1998
+++ sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/sparc/sparc32/getpagesize.c Mon Jan 12 13:14:17 1998
@@ -18,6 +18,7 @@
#include
#include
+#include
/* Return the system page size. This value will either be 4k or 8k depending
on whether or not we are running on Sparc v9 machine. */
@@ -32,7 +33,7 @@
__getpagesize ()
{
if (_dl_pagesize == 0)
-_dl_pagesize = EXEC_PAGESIZE;
+_dl_pagesize = ELF_EXEC_PAGESIZE;
return _dl_pagesize;
}
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Re: perl needed
>> I've uploaded the perl packages to ftp1.us.debian.org/debian/local: >Ok I'll download it as soon as possible (for now the transatlantic channel is >too slow :-(( ). Well, there is one on it's way anyway: ftp.netg.se:/pub/Linux/sparc/ftp1.us.debian.org (Hope you don't mind Jonnie) /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | Mud at Kingdoms| [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetGuide Scandinavia | telnet kingdoms.se 1812| Fax: +46 31 50 79 39 http://www.netg.se | | Tel: +46 31 50 79 40 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: perl needed
>I've compiled bash 2.01-5 but it needs perl linked with libc6 to create the >package. In fact, it preloads libhistory.so to prevent ldd from showing this >dependancy then run dpkg-shlibdeps. However, libhistory is targeted for libc6 >but perl (the interpreter of dpkg-shlibdeps) is actually a libc5 linked >binary. >Both types of libraries clash when loaded at the same time. >If noone else is working on packaging perl, I will do it this evening ;-) I've tried to build perl, but with limited success. It fails to load shared modules unless LD_BIND_NOW is set, and one of the get*gid() tests fail. I'll happily leave it to you :) (Though I have a libgdbm1-1.7.3-22 compiling that you may be interested in). /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | Mud at Kingdoms| [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetGuide Scandinavia | telnet kingdoms.se 1812| Fax: +46 31 50 79 39 http://www.netg.se | | Tel: +46 31 50 79 40 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: libm.so.6: undefined reference to `rem'
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you write: >Hmm, it seems the "sp" brings gcc to its knees, exiting with "internal >compiler failure." The egcs/libstdc++2.8 combination seems to work >better but fails at the final link stage. Does anyone know if this is >a bug in egcs or in glibc-sparc-2.0.90-971126? I'd think the bug is in glibc, since I had no trouble to compile sp with egcs (the only difference would be that I have rebuilt glibc from the (debianised) sources). There seems to be some trouble with nsgmls/libstdc++2.8 though, as it dies with a bus error in IO_file_write(). Speaking of glibc, I'm considering putting a box to work on compiling the latest snapshot. Wish me luck :) /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | Mud at Kingdoms| [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetGuide Scandinavia | telnet kingdoms.se 1812| Fax: +46 31 50 79 39 http://www.netg.se | | Tel: +46 31 50 79 40 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
libc5 ld.so
I've been having a look at the libc5 ld.so, and, unfortunately, there seems to be no simple fix to get it to work. The way it figures out where in memory it has been loaded has to be completely reworked. The way it does it now is to look at the interpreter base that the kernel passes it. The problem is that the kernel only passes this information if it actually gets loaded as an interpreter, as opposed to being explicitly invoked, when the kernel treats it as any other statically linked program. When ld.so doesn't get the interpreter base from the kernel it uses 0. I've patched it to use the code from the glibc ld.so to find where it is, and it's a slight improvement - I can only get it to segfault with LD_PRELOAD set to something loadable, or when running a program from the command line. Not that it prints anything with LD_TRACE_LOADED_OBJECTS set... I'm sending a Cc to David Engel in the hope that he might be able to shed some light on the subject. /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | Mud at Kingdoms| [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetGuide Scandinavia | telnet kingdoms.se 1812| Fax: +46 31 50 79 39 http://www.netg.se | | Tel: +46 31 50 79 40 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Current State of Debian Sparc Port
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you write: >"Anders" == Anders Hammarquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >Anders> This is due to the fact that /lib/ld-linux.so.2 guesses >Anders> (wrongly) that the MMU page size is 8k (it is actually >Anders> 4k). libc6 should be fixed to do a syscall for getpagesize() > >Is it possible that this problem afflicts /lib/ld-linux.so.1 from ldso >1.9.6-2? It too segfaults, and the redhat patches of 1.8.3 don't seem >to help. It's possible, though from what I can tell the reason it crashes on libraries is that it gets confused about where it's data is since it gets loaded at 0x6000 on the sparc (it seems to expect to load at 0). My locally compliled ld.so-1.9.6 segfaults trying to read at address 0x16664 and it just so happens that the BSS segment starts at 0x60016664. I shall investigate this further... /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | Mud at Kingdoms| [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetGuide Scandinavia | telnet kingdoms.se 1812| Fax: +46 31 50 79 39 http://www.netg.se | | Tel: +46 31 50 79 40 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Current State of Debian Sparc Port
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you write: >Mark> Nonetheless, strings /lib/libncurses.so.3.4 only lists libc.so.6 >Mark> and ld-linux.so.2. > >Is it safe then to create a wrapper script around ldd that absorbs the >spurious libc5 dependency, so correct packages can still be made? It should be, but the correct solution would of course be to fix ldd. >Incidentially the ldso 1.9.6-2 from hamm seems to work better, but >fails when run against some libs; this might be good enough for dpkg. >/lib/ld-linux.so.2: >ldd: /lib/ld-linux.so.2 exited with signal 11 >/lib/libcom_err.so.2: >ldd: /lib/libcom_err.so.2 exited with signal 11 This is due to the fact that /lib/ld-linux.so.2 guesses (wrongly) that the MMU page size is 8k (it is actually 4k). libc6 should be fixed to do a syscall for getpagesize() instead of returning 8k as it does now. I have a ld-linux.so.2 that has been binary-patched to guess 4k instead, and it works much better. Its available at ftp://ftp.netg.se/pub/Linux/sparc/ld-linux.so.2.gz if you want to try it out. /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | Mud at Kingdoms| [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetGuide Scandinavia | telnet kingdoms.se 1812| Fax: +46 31 50 79 39 http://www.netg.se | | Tel: +46 31 50 79 40 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
