Re: Getting cron.daily to start sooner?
On Wed, 22 Jan 1997 08:01:13 MST Chad Zimmerman ([EMAIL PROTECTED] du) wrote: > Is there a way that I can get cron.daily to start running it's processes > before 12am? I have a program in there that needs to run before the new > day starts so that is can get the correct data. Change the master crontab file in /etc/crontab (this file is different than root's regular crontab that can be edited with crontab -e). And maybe read the crontab(1) manpage. Phil. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to type accents with pine in a msg?
Ted Harding <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Even simpler is to change the "pine" editor to vim, and enable vim's > digraph support. Then you can enter all the accented charracters in > ISO-8859-1 by typing Ctrl-V followed by two other characaters. > > E.g. "e-acute" is "^Ve'". > Sorry, but this is wrong... but please read on. Through the decades we've had problems with things of this kind, so please scratch methods of this nature. This method is non-standard... and its existance is pre-historic :-) If somebody needs to enter accented characters, (s)he is more than likely to need them in more places then just this 'vim' session, so a more permanent solution is needed (and 'wim' has no problem accepting the standard accented shortcuts). The entrance of an accented character *IS* keyboard specific... and should remain that way... accented characters are characters with an acute, and an acute is a part of the ISO character set... a dead-acute is a part of the ISO too. This means, you enter dead_acute+a to get 'á' or `+a=à, or ^+a=â, or ¨+a=ä... Entering ISO characters is keyboard specific, if a package has a problem accepting ISO-8859-1/2 character set, then please say so... a solution should be reached to have the package accept the character set (I think somebody posted a way to have pine accept iso character set here). Somebody is probably going to say, hey! what's wrong with "^Ve'" well, for one it is CTRL-V+e+APASTROPHE... and comes from the time when the character set didn't have an acute... it does now. Back then, the only locale was the C locale, which had the built-in ctype array, which only mapped 7-bit ascii and going around it, required some work around... today you can get the full 8-bit ctype array locale specific iso-whatever with 'setlocale(CATEGORY,"")'. The point is, one should minimize the need of different keystrokes with many different packages... so, the key-binding specifies which keystrokes give the accented character, and the package accepts it by accepting the character set given by the locale... hope that made some sense... :-) Someone with (a)cute ears ;-) -- Ørn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] fax; +46 035 217194 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Getting cron.daily to start sooner?
Hi Chad -- You asked: > > Is there a way that I can get cron.daily to start running it's processes > before 12am? I have a program in there that needs to run before the new > day starts so that is can get the correct data. The system crontab uses a file /etc/crontab. This is to be distinguished from any particular user's crontab; users' crontab files are in /var/spool/cron/crontabs. The difference between the system crontab file and users' crontab files are mentioned in the man page for cron. So just edit the file: /etc/crontab The first two values on each non-commented line are (1) the minute after the hour when a command runs, and (2) the hour when the command runs. The details of the format of the system crontab file and other crontab files can be reviewed by executing: man 5 crontab Hope that helps. Susan Kleinmann -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PostScript without PS printers
> I now have my printer (Canon BJC-4100) working under Debian. It was > really easy; only one tricky part. We're running an HP-850C as a network printer using the cdj550 driver of ghostscript. Works great! Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- the difference between theory and practice is less in theory than in practice -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bash Function File
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you write: >I use a bash function file "/usr/local/bash_functions". In the >/etc/profile file there is a statement "source >/usr/local/bash_functions". I can normally use the bash fuctions when I >am in my /home/user directory but when I do an "su" I can no longer use >the bash_functions without resourcing them. This is very inconvenient. >What can I do so they stay sourced whether I am /home/user $ or su #? Is >there some place to put a source statement which will do the job? I have >tried source statements in /home/user and /root .bash_profile files as >well. Another of life's little mysteries. If you look at the documentation for both su and bash you will find your problem: su by default does not start a login shell. This means that bash does not look in /etc/profile or ~/.bash_profile. Instead you need to add things to ~/.bashrc. Alternatively, using su with a - option will cause it to start a login shell so your normal profile will be read. bash(1): Login shells: On login (subject to the -noprofile option): if /etc/profile exists, source it. if ~/.bash_profile exists, source it, else if ~/.bash_login exists, source it, else if ~/.profile exists, source it. On exit: if ~/.bash_logout exists, source it. Non-login interactive shells: On startup (subject to the -norc and -rcfile options): if ~/.bashrc exists, source it. -- Steve McIntyre, CURS Secretary, Cambridge, UK. [EMAIL PROTECTED] CUWoCS Honorary Vice-Chair-Thing Cthulhu - Why vote for the Lesser Evil? "Can't keep my eyes from the circling sky, +-- "Tongue-tied & twisted, Just an earth-bound misfit, I..." |Finger for PGP key -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Anyone know of a way to generate PDF without Adobe?
Does anyone know of a program, Debian or not, that will generate PDF files from ASCII, PS or HTML? I remember hearing of one, but I havn't been able to track it down. Thanks in Advance, JohnT "Improvement succeeded each other so rapidly, that machines which had never been finished were abandoned in the hands of their makers, because new improvements had superceded their utility." Charles Babbage 'On the Economy of Manufactures' 1832 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CD Rom writers
Has anyone had any experience with the Yamaha 102 Writer? Currently we have the HP one, and are not very happy with it. What writers are people using? Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps "Management decisions have no effect on the laws of physics." -- anon ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gcc & cc1
> My new installation (1.2.1) no longer compiles via gcc. The system error > message is: > 'gcc: installation problem, cannot exec 'cc1': No such file or directory' > Any clues/hints? Try running the gcc command line with "-v". This should tell you what program it cannot find. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- Searching for something? Look to us! http://www.verisim.com/ferret/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Tips
> from a quick look, it seems that the format is pretty easy. There is a pair > of files, the "source" where all fortunes are just separated by a % sign and > a data file with the info for the files that is automatically created from the > former by strfile(8). It seems to be pretty straightforward. (But this was > just > a quick look...) This is exactly how it works. I maintain a fortune file here at my company of funny things that people have said during our meetings over the years. Every day when people login, they get a random funny quote. Does this ever bring back memories (good ones that is) 8) The fortune program is great for this! Just to be really clear, here's an example of how to use fortune: bash$ cat > foobar fortune 1 % fortune 2 % fortune 3 ^D bash$ /usr/sbin/strfile -rs foobar bash$ fortune foobar fortune 1 bash$ fortune foobar fortune 3 bash$ fortune . fortune 2 bash$ Note that you can give an explicit filename to fortune(1) or just give a directory that contains several fortune files. Alternatively you can put the file in /usr/share/games/fortunes which is the default place fortune(1) looks for fortune files. I hope this helps. Behan -- Behan Webster mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 224-7547http://www.verisim.com/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Getting cron.daily to start sooner?
Is there a way that I can get cron.daily to start running it's processes before 12am? I have a program in there that needs to run before the new day starts so that is can get the correct data. Any ideas? Chad Chad D. Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://dabcc-www.nmsu.edu/~chad/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Two unrelated problems with cron
Howdy, A few weeks ago I moved /home to an NFS mounted drive to free up space on my local drive. Now, I get this message mailed to me every morning. Subject: Cron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> run-parts /etc/cron.daily X-Cron-Env: X-Cron-Env: X-Cron-Env: X-Cron-Env: find: /home/kevinm: Permission denied I also have a problem with permissions in this directory depending on which machine I am on. My Debian box is called 'pc13' (the network people won't let me change it 8-( ) and the machine that has my NFS drive is 'rocalpha'. Now, if I create a directory from rocalpha in my home directory, I can't move or delete those directories from pc13. It does the same thing from the other direction. If I do an 'ls -l' on this directory from either machine, instead of listing me as the owner, I get a number (I assume this is the user id) as the owner for "foreign" files. I think these two things are related but I don't where to look. The other problem I have is in updating cron. I downloaded cron_3.0pl1-38.deb from ftp.debian.org and used 'dpkg --install'. Well dpkg crashes with the following message. bash# dpkg --pending --configure Setting up cron (3.0pl1-38) ... /usr/sbin/cron: can't lock /var/run/crond.pid, otherpid may be 5014: Try again dpkg: error processing cron (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 Errors were encountered while processing: cron bash# - Now what do I do? I took a look at /var/run/crond.pid and it did contain 5014. Is there a way to look at the scripts from a package? The only thing I can think of is that crond is not being stopped when dpkg tries to replace it. Sorry for the long post but I'm really stuck on these. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >From miss Received: from mongo.pixar.com (138.72.50.60) by master.debian.org with SMTP; 22 Jan 1997 16:28:58 - Received: (qmail 20261 invoked from network); 22 Jan 1997 14:52:23 - Received: from primer.i-connect.net (HELO master.debian.org) (206.190.143.13) by mongo.pixar.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 1997 14:52:23 - Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date:Wed, 22 Jan 1997 09:52:42 -0500 From: Ami Ganguli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Ganguli Consulting Inc. X-Sender: Ami Ganguli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b1 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Some thoughts for Debian. X-Priority: Normal References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"Wfe8T2.0.xG1.hdYvo"@master.debian.org> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org Resent-Reply-To: debian-user@lists.debian.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4177 X-Loop: debian-user@lists.debian.org Precedence: list Priority: non-urgent Importance: low Resent-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Matt Kracht wrote: > If you think Debian has a tremendous amount of software, you should try > sunsite.unc.edu or tsx-11.mit.edu sometime. You can still run all that cool stuff under Debian. > I just found out that my Debian system > compiled Linux 2.1.21 with the 2.0.27 kernel headers because someone > thought it was a good idea to fuck with the Linux kernel and libc. I > have no idea whose idea it was split every library into two (or more!) > packages, either. This is ridiculous. Under Slackware, when I want > S-LANG, I go to S-LANG home page and ftp it, compile it, and install it. Library dependencies and variations in configuration are a problem with any system. Debian offers the potential to solve a lot of the problems. It's not perfect, but it's constantly getting better. > I don't know. Maybe I'm just not in the correct mindset for Debian. I > like to run the latest stuff. Debian offers, it seems, only the oldest, > most stable software. I just don't see why anyone would run Linux and > not want to compile software, be on bleeding edge, and actually > administer a UNIX system... Indeed you may not be in the right mindset. If you have the time and the inclination to compile and configure everything yourself, you don't need any kind of package management system. There will always be users who get great satisfaction from getting the system to work - "the joy is in the seeking, not the finding" and all that. I, however, don't need to be on the bleeding edge for everything. There are a few packages that are vital to my work and I do ftp the latest sources and compile them myself. The rest is just a platform - the less time I have to spend getting it working the more time I have for my real job. That's why I like Debian. > Unconfigurable software with horrid defaults, plain bad planning, > changing industry standards without notice, etc. These I would consider bugs. If you think the "idea" of Debian is worthwhile (even though you don't like the present implementation) wh
RE: Tips
On Wed, 22 Jan 1997, Casper BodenCummins wrote: > I've been meaning to look at fortune to see whether it can easily handle > or be adapted to handle different databases of fortune cookies - such as > tips. I'm running low on free time just now, so does anyone have the Don't know about fortune... it is a simple program to write though... The below one prints a random cookie from a text file, in which the cookies are separated by a blank space. I use it to print a random Linux Cookie upon login and when someone views my Linux WWW Page at http://es.matematik.su.se/~p96job/linux.html. Takes its input from standard in, like in cook < cookiefile.txt. Does only 1 pass though file, so it need not be seekable. Feel free to find bugs... I have limited C skills... -- cook.c --[ cut ]--[ cut ]--[ cut ]--[ cut ]-- #include #include #define LF 10 void main() { char c; unsigned char skriv = 1; unsigned int nr = 1; unsigned int i = 0; char s[1024]; srandom(time(0) + getpid()); while ( (c=getc(stdin)) != EOF ) { if (skriv) s[i++] = c; if (c == LF) { c = getc(stdin); while ( (c == 32) || (c == 9) ) c = getc(stdin); if (c == LF) { if (random() % ++nr) skriv = 0; else { skriv = 1; i = 0; } } else if (skriv) s[i++] = c; } } s[i] = 0; printf("%s", s); } -- cook.c --[ cut ]--[ cut ]--[ cut ]--[ cut ]-- // Jonas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2:201/262.37] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Withdrawl of fee for producing Debian CDs
I'm the Sec'try/Treasurer of a local amateur radio club and we just set up an account at the local bank. The only drawback was that they wanted the SSN of the club officers. I'd guess you'd have to apply for a not-for-profit (as opposed to a non-profit) organization tax id, if you wanted to avoid that. No special DBA or anything else required here. Jim. - Received message begins Here - > > On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, Tim Sailer wrote: > > > In your email to me, Dale Scheetz, you wrote: > > [clip] > > > > > > In any case, whether we call it contributions or payments, the bottom line > > > is, we need a place to send money for the project. The ability to do this > > > is a pre-depends on any other scheme for financing the project. Doesn't > > > the project have enough legal status to open a checking account? What do > > > we need to do to get to that point? > > > > In most states, you have to file for at least a DBA, and be able to > > take that to the bank to open a commercial account. THe only problem > > with that is the suck more out of a commercial account than a personal > > one.. And who is going to document where the money goes? I personally > > don't care abotu the details, but *someone* is going to demand an > > accounting someday. I think Bruce has enough to do right now.. > > I agree both that someone will need to perform this task, and that Bruce > should not be encombered with such responsibilities, he does more than > enough already. > Sounds like one of the early responsibilities for the BOD will be to > appoint/adopt a Treasurer for the organization. > Rather than a DBA I was hoping that someone might know how their local LUG > or other clubs deal with the issue of "money management". > We will obviously need some volunteer effort to make this happen, so get > your excuses all lined up ;-) but let us know what the alternatives are. > > > > > > > > P.S. Just another point. If we had a place to deposit money, any future > > > montary problems could be solved by "small" donations from the developers. > > > I'd certainly send in $10 to help finance the project through any tough > > > times. If the rest of the group feels as I do this would yield $1600 > > > dollars in one fell swoop. This wouldn't get very many people to trade > > > shows, but it would provide funds for advertising and other promotional > > > material. > > > > I'd gladly personally send $10-$20 now, and have our fledgling ISP > > send in $50-100, because we're running Debian.. > > > Good to know that others are willing to contribute. We need to understand > what our "necessary" budget is like before we just "throw" money at the > problem. And, of course, we first need a place to sent our monetary > contributions. > > Luck, > > Dwarf > > -- > > aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 > Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 > > If you don't see what you want, just ask -- > > > -- > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jim Lynch, System Engineer, SGI/Cray Research, Inc. / ARS: K4GVO Federal Business Systems, Phone: (770) 631-2254, Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Suite 270, 200 Westpark Drive, Peachtree City, GA 30269 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mount/unmount scripts
> True, but if there isn't a cdrom in the drive at boot-up time, the cdrom drive > won't mount 8-) That's why I created the scripts. Have a look at the "user" and "noauto" options (I recommend man mount) My /etc/fstab contains the lines /dev/scd0 /cdrom iso9660 user,noauto,ro 0 0 /dev/fd0 /dos/a msdos user,noauto,rw 0 0 /dev/hda2 /dos/c msdos user,noauto,rw 0 0 /dev/sda1 /dos/d msdos user,noauto,rw 0 0 /dev/sda5 /dos/e msdos user,noauto,rw 0 0 This way mount /cdrom works from a normal user account and e.g. mount /dos/d from my normal login (bsb) makes all files on /dos/d owned by bsb.bsb No need for home-brewn scripts, no need for su. Hope this helps Siggy -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Some thoughts for Debian.
The previous writer (whose message wasn't included) doesn't restrict people's choices, he just suggested a 'core' distribution which gives us a basic choice while alternative choices are always available. I support his proposal, esp good for newbies. Take a newbie's point of view: the first time when one installs apps. for mail and one is given sendmail, mail, Mail, xmail, smail, pine, elm, xhm, et al, and every package says IT'S used for mail, what would he do? Doesn't he feel LOST? Do you think he knows they are CHOICES? I think he would just install EVERYTHING. Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: > > I disagree. From what I've read, the Debian charter doesn't stop > commercial vendors or indeed anyone from making their own distribution > based on Debian containing as few or as many packages as they want. > So the Debian team doesn't really need to get involved in that. Yes > the distribution is huge but until it overflows the 650 MB capacity of ^^ I hope we aren't going to repeat a similar error which Bill Gates committed before. For those who don't know what I am talking about, here's the famous quote from Mr. Gates: "640 Kb should be enough for everyone." Unfortunately, less than 10 years (or even shorter) his own sentence put him into troublesome: memory addressing limits. And thus his company made all those windows, emm386, himem; and other companys' ndos and 4dos, etc. That's ONE of the reasons why people leave DOS behind. Even though there might be blue laser double-sided optical disks in the near future which gives us 10 Gb or more, it doesn't mean we don't need to organise things properly, or else when thing gets too big to manage, it will be too late!!! Fundamental organisation is essential, don't you agree? > a CD-ROM there is no need to needlessly restrict peoples choices. > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Seak Teng-Fong E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bât 507 DRFC / SPPFTel: 33 (0) 4 42256125 CE / Cadarache Fax: 33 (0) 4 42256233 13108 Saint Paul lez Durance Cedex FRANCE -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Newbie questions (hope those are not FAQ !)
Greetings, I tried to install Debian 1.2 (from Infomagic Dec.1996) yesterday, and had a few problems : - while installing packages with dselect, i get a few odd messages like (sorry cannot remember the exact messages but it means... ): [Lots of install messages] Updating foo.1-2-18 (new version is foo.1.2.19) Updating foo.1-2-19 (new version is foo.1.2.18) [Lots of install messages] -Tried to install netscape and it cannot find libxpm.so (which is installed of course). Everything seems OK except there is no ld.so anywhere (just the docs and man pages). Same problem with other packages, of course. Where am I wrong ? Is the Infomagic cdrom a good source for the Debian distribution ? Thanx a lot in advance. Rod. -- - The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it. (Terry Pratchett, Diggers) - Rodolphe Suescun [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: JDK not working
Martin Alonso Soto Jacome <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > naoma: ~$ java > java was not found in /usr/lib/jdk/i586/bin/java > naoma: ~$ jdb > java was not found in /usr/lib/jdk/i586/bin/java > naoma: ~$ javac > java was not found in /usr/lib/jdk/i586/bin/java > > Any clues on what the problem may be? Well, there is something wierd going on in the package (I guess it's trying to make room for caffe and guavac and such when they become available). Try doing java-jdk, and everything should work fine. Mike. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mount/unmount scripts
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Dale Scheetz writes: > > > > I use an entry in fstab to mount my DOS partition. You could do this > > with > > the CD as well except for the problem of removable media. I use a > > simple > > one line script to mount my CD. ^^^ What he wanted to say and one advantage of using fstab is that: instead of typing % mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /cdrom we just need to type % mount /cdrom as explained in CDROM-HOWTO. > True, but if there isn't a cdrom in the drive at boot-up time, the > cdrom drive > won't mount 8-) That's why I created the scripts. > > -- > -= Sent by Debian 1.2 Linux =- > Thomas Kocourek KD4CIK > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Seak Teng-Fong E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bât 507 DRFC / SPPFTel: 33 (0) 4 42256125 CE / Cadarache Fax: 33 (0) 4 42256233 13108 Saint Paul lez Durance Cedex FRANCE -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian review in Linux Journal
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, Eloy A. Paris wrote: > Hi, > > I'd like to know if someone can give me a link to a place where I can read > the Debian review made by the Linux Journal staff in their November 1996 > issue. > > >From www.debian.org I thought the review was in September's issue so I > order the back issue and sadly found out that in that issue there was > just a distribution comparisson. > > Thanks in advance. > The comparaison of November are quite the same as the one in September. They still compared with the 0.93c Release.. :( - --- "the talkin' is over (the walkin' has begun)" -- J. Sansone - --- Fabien Ninoles aka le Veneur aka le Corbeau E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WebPage: http://www-edu.gel.usherb.ca/ninf01 Finger me for my pgp key (finger [EMAIL PROTECTED]) - --- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMuYTZVX6fc7jcjhFAQHVcAP/XVEdksLHktuwuw/8tDGAxT6CVZq+XHa3 +jaGqIc2KrHCXs63dUGLhASvx+wGRA02pPp3XzS2Hczfag48u6YAuAzarQLKQDOY QzowZWNlA8Dscf/weQ422su1EDlcqYT+ZaCs2mOAY3XOQkwx36pj9Qp85JCeZJ3R uO6U4tKhYpU= =VYLY -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mongo.pixar.com - OS type?
I am writing some tcp accounting stuff and am trying to figure out some anomolous termination sequences from mongo, (I dont get this from all sites, mongo is one of the few), and I wondered what OS it was running to correlate against the other sites I get the unusual behaviour from. Thanks, Richard Jones. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The CD Issue
On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, Brian C. White wrote: > Debian is committed to making a high-quality Linux distribution. It's > not commited to public charity. Even the GPL says you can charge anything > you want for the software. You just can't restrict further distribution > of that code. As they say, the "free" in free software refers to freedom, not price... -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Client for AFS?
On Wed, 22 Jan 1997, Andree Leidenfrost wrote: > The Subject syas it all: Is there a Debian package of the Linux port of > the Andrew File System client? Unfortunatelly AFS is commercial software. There is a client for Linux available for money. Please contact your AFS contractor. Yours, -- martin // Martin Konold, Muenzgasse 7, 72070 Tuebingen, Germany // // Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] // Oh, I've seen copies [of Linux Journal] around the terminal room at The Labs." (By Dennis Ritchie) Just go ahead and write your own multitasking multiuser os ! Worked for me all the times. -- Linus Torvalds -- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: weird su behavior
Ricardo Kleemann says: > recently I've been having problems going into root... > When I do a 'su' and type in the passwd, it kicks me out [...] Philippe Troin replies: > Try doing a `strace su' as root to see where is breaks... I suppose you meant "Try doing a 'strace su' [logging] as root" ? :) -- Papy-EFB Quelle est la difference entre un rappeur et un scout? Un rappeur nique sa mere, alors qu'un scout monte sa tente. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dpkg architecture
Hi, Yes, the kernel package rules file does use the dpkg architecture command, which is used to generate the file/distribution name (we have valid architectures listed as i386, m68k, sparc? and alpha, I think, but we do not have 486/586/pentium/686/ppro, (look at stable/unstable binary-XXX directories on any Debian archive). I do not think this is a problem, since the configuration of the kernel is left upto the user, (ie make menuconfig), and they may specify whatever processor type the want; the kernel produced depends on that, not on the value that debian/rules has determined. manoj -- A morsel of genuine history is a thing so rare as to be always valuable. Thomas Jefferson Manoj Srivastava mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mobile, Alabama USAhttp://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/> -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Tips
> > Jonas Bofjall wrote: > > >On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Niels wrote: > > > > > Those anyone collecting Tips for debian? This is a good one for it... > > > > Another good one is if e2fsck says it cannot read the superblock of your > > > > Since it seems like nobody else does, I have noted these. > > still think that the Microsoft-like tips is a good idea, > > it gives the newbie some good information that normally is > > hidden inside the deep deep manuals. Like the 'find' command, > > terrific utility, always what the newbie wants. > > I've been meaning to look at fortune to see whether it can easily handle > or be adapted to handle different databases of fortune cookies - such as > tips. I'm running low on free time just now, so does anyone have the > answer to this? > > Casper Boden-Cummins. > > > -- > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Hi, from a quick look, it seems that the format is pretty easy. There is a pair of files, the "source" where all fortunes are just separated by a % sign and a data file with the info for the files that is automatically created from the former by strfile(8). It seems to be pretty straightforward. (But this was just a quick look...) Luis. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mount/unmount scripts
Dale Scheetz writes: > > On Thu, 16 Jan 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Here are some shell scripts for mounting and unmounting DOS & CDROM stuff. > > My DOS partition is /dev/hda1 and the cdrom drive is /dev/hdb. If yours is > > different, change the scripts to match your equipment. I keep these in the > > /root directory and use "su -" to access them. I'm working on automounting > > these devices so that I can dispose of these scripts. > > > I use an entry in fstab to mount my DOS partition. You could do this with > the CD as well except for the problem of removable media. I use a simple > one line script to mount my CD. True, but if there isn't a cdrom in the drive at boot-up time, the cdrom drive won't mount 8-) That's why I created the scripts. -- -= Sent by Debian 1.2 Linux =- Thomas Kocourek KD4CIK [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
vim/libXaw.so.6
I've loaded the vim package successfully, but get: vim: can't load library 'libXaw.so.6' Any clues? TIA Neale. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bash Function File
I use a bash function file "/usr/local/bash_functions". In the /etc/profile file there is a statement "source /usr/local/bash_functions". I can normally use the bash fuctions when I am in my /home/user directory but when I do an "su" I can no longer use the bash_functions without resourcing them. This is very inconvenient. What can I do so they stay sourced whether I am /home/user $ or su #? Is there some place to put a source statement which will do the job? I have tried source statements in /home/user and /root .bash_profile files as well. Another of life's little mysteries. Victor Torrico -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Client for AFS?
The Subject syas it all: Is there a Debian package of the Linux port of the Andrew File System client? Regards, Andree -- | Institute of Geophysics phone: +49 40 4123 4389 ANDREE LEIDENFROST | University of Hamburg fax: +49 40 4123 5441 Geophysicist | Bundesstrasse 55 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | D-20146 Hamburgwww: www.app-geoph.dkrz.de -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Experiencing lockups
Robert Nicholson wrote: > > When running X , every time I go out to the kitchen and getting > something to eat and come back the machines is locked up. The mouse > pointer's no where to be seen. and it takes _several_ reports _even_ > after a powerdown to get keyboard to work again at the login prompt. > > Very confusing. > > I was running in 24 bit mode if that matters. > > .27 kernel Very strange. Let's see: do you set APM in Bios? Or other power manager? What about if you disable all these stuffs? What applications are you running? What did you mean by "it takes _several_ reports"? -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Seak Teng-Fong E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bât 507 DRFC / SPPFTel: 33 (0) 4 42256125 CE / Cadarache Fax: 33 (0) 4 42256233 13108 Saint Paul lez Durance Cedex FRANCE -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Tips
Jonas Bofjall wrote: >On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Niels wrote: > > > Those anyone collecting Tips for debian? This is a good one for it... > > Another good one is if e2fsck says it cannot read the superblock of your > > Since it seems like nobody else does, I have noted these. > still think that the Microsoft-like tips is a good idea, > it gives the newbie some good information that normally is > hidden inside the deep deep manuals. Like the 'find' command, > terrific utility, always what the newbie wants. I've been meaning to look at fortune to see whether it can easily handle or be adapted to handle different databases of fortune cookies - such as tips. I'm running low on free time just now, so does anyone have the answer to this? Casper Boden-Cummins. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gcc & cc1
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Sevenich) writes: > My new installation (1.2.1) no longer compiles via gcc. The system error > message is: > 'gcc: installation problem, cannot exec 'cc1': No such file or directory' > Any clues/hints? gnat provides a gcc frontend with a mismatching version. Remove gnat. Sven -- Sven Rudolph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ; WWW : http://www.sax.de/~sr1/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gcc & cc1
Richard Sevenich wrote: > > My new installation (1.2.1) no longer compiles via gcc. The system error > message is: > 'gcc: installation problem, cannot exec 'cc1': No such file or directory' > Any clues/hints? > Richard > > -- > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] The same thing happened to me. I did a "dpkg --purge gcc" and then reinstalled it and was then able to compile. You may have to remove one or two gcc dependent packages before removing gcc. Victor -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to type accents with pine in a msg? [OOPS]
( Re Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) > > > Even simpler is to change the "pine" editor to vim, and enable vim's > > digraph support. Then you can enter all the accented charracters in > > ISO-8859-1 by typing Ctrl-V followed by two other characaters. > > > > E.g. "e-acute" is "^Ve'". > > I guess you mean Ctrl-K instead of Ctrl-V... > > -- > Michel Beland [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes indeed!! Thanks for drawing attention to this typo. Therefore, what I should have posted: Even simpler is to change the "pine" editor to vim, and enable vim's digraph support. Then you can enter all the accented characters in ISO-8859-1 by typing Ctrl-K followed by two other characaters. E.g. "e-acute" is "^Ke'". Ted.([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Problem installing UltraStor SCSI adapter
Hi, I think the rescue disk does not include a driver for my UltraStor SCSI adapter. Does anyone know how to create a new rescue disk? I've got another PC up and running, so compiling a new kernel would be no problem. Thanks in advance, Ties. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tips
On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Niels wrote: > > Those anyone collecting Tips for debian? This is a good one for it... > > Another good one is if e2fsck says it cannot read the superblock of your Since it seems like nobody else does, I have noted these. I still think that the Microsoft-like tips is a good idea, it gives the newbie some good information that normally is hidden inside the deep deep manuals. Like the 'find' command, a terrific utility, always what the newbie wants. I also think that these tips is not *instead* of the manual, it is a complement. Something like: "ls can display different types of directory entries in different colors, just type 'man ls' to see how." is a good tip in my opinion (referring to a man page) So, we'll see where this ends... // Jonas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2:201/262.37] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian review in Linux Journal
On Jan 21, Eloy A. Paris wrote > I'd like to know if someone can give me a link to a place where I can read > the Debian review made by the Linux Journal staff in their November 1996 > issue. I don't think you can find it online yet. But, http://www.ssc.com/lj/mags.html gives an email address for communicating "I'd really like to see the article `Linus conquers the world' from issue 42 on your website". > >From www.debian.org I thought the review was in September's issue so I > order the back issue and sadly found out that in that issue there was > just a distribution comparisson. If you have a suggestion on how to rephrase the LJ references line, please contact me in private email. Ray -- PATRIOTISM A great British writer once said that if he had to choose between betraying his country and betraying a friend he hoped he would have the decency to betray his country. - The Hipcrime Vocab by Chad C. Mulligan -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dpkg architecture
On Tue, 21 Jan 1997 19:24:03 CST Jesse Goldman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > I just noticed that the "dpkg--print-architecture" command gives me back > "i386" while I'd guess, since I have a PPro, it should say "i686". This > is, in fact, what "uname" gives me. Is "i386" used here to mean intel > machines generally? Reason I wondered is that the debian kernel rules file > seems to call the dpkg architecture command and not the system one. Yes, that's it. i386 means intel platforms supporting the 386-enhanced processor mode. The reason why dpkg uses this is that a binary built on i[3456]86 can run on any of the intel platforms. About the debian kernel package, are you sure about this ? Then this might be a little problem. Check it out (I don't use kernel-package myself), and open a bug eventually. Phil. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bruce Perens to appear Saturday January 25 1997 in NYC at
the first LXNY meeting of 1997. Bruce Perens, leader of the Debian GNU/Linux Project, will be at Mariella's Pizza at 225 West 57-th Street in New York City at 6:30 pm on January 25, 1997. Mariella's is near to Coliseum Books, and across the street from the Duane Reade drugstore. Columbus Circle is near by. For those who dare to bring a car into Manhattan, there do exist parking lots, but we have been informed by the City of New York that there are no more municipal parking lots. Bruce will meet with as many as possible GNU/Linux/Unix/Other hackers, users, and enthusiasts. Those who have never seen Linux in action are also warmly invited to attend. Skeptics about the possibility of anarchy as a mode of production are particularly welcome. If possible rsvps from those intending to come should be sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] as soon as possible, so that we have some idea of how many to expect. But come, even if you do not send an rsvp. If you are late that is all right too. What is Debian GNU/Linux? Linux Distributions Linux is a non-commercial variant of Unix, developed by volunteers all over the world. Linux proper is an operating system kernel, not an environment. The next layer around the kernel is called a distribution. The distribution provides a system: installation/bootstrapping, assign- ment of pathnames to files, coordination of packages, e.g., with shared library (matching versions). There are a number of base distributions (my terminology), including: Yggdrasil, Unifix, Tamu, SLS, Slackware, Red Hat, MCC, Linux-FT, Debian, Craftworks. Some of these are sold directly, some are sold by third party distribution companies such as Springer Verlag, Linux Systems Labs, InfoMagic and iConnect, and some are repackaged further, often combined with other packages and services, e.g., Caldera and WGS. The Debian Project The Debian Project, presently under the leadership of Bruce Perens, is, like Linux itself, a non-commercial worldwide development effort. Debian GNU/Linux is "a complete Unix-compatible operating system". Debian is famous for developing a method for checking the dependencies among its diverse packages and for providing a means to upgrade the system selectively and "in place". The distribution is available for free from Debian and many mirror sites, see the web site listed below for further details, including a list of companies providing the distribution (e.g., on CD-ROM). In short, Debian GNU/Linux is one of several Last Best Hopes of Humanity, and comes of an ancient and honorable horde. Their web site address is: http://www.debian.org Michael Smith, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jay Sulzberger, [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Interim Committee for Visitors of Linux New York. LXNY is Linux New York, New York's Linux organization. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Problems installing with UltraStor SCSI
Hi, I've got a problem installing on a PC 486 using an UltraStor SCSI adapter. I think a driver is not included on the rescue disk. Anyone knows how to create a new rescue disk? (Debian is running on another machine, so compiling a kernel would be no problem). Thanks in advance, Ties. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gcc & cc1
Have you seen the directories under /usr/lib/gcc-lib?? Probably you will have more than one version, so you have to link in the newest one to the binaries resident in the older one. I had the same problem with g77 (it did'nt find the libf2c.a) and with two links the problem was solved -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian review in Linux Journal
On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, Eloy A. Paris wrote: > I'd like to know if someone can give me a link to a place where I can read > the Debian review made by the Linux Journal staff in their November 1996 > issue. Do not think that LJ has all their articles on-line. They have some, but not the Debian review article. There is also a distribution comparison, dated Jan 15 1997, but it contains ancient information, http://www.ssc.com/lj/distable.html. Ioannis Tambouras [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP 768/429EE365, West Palm Beach, Florida -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Some thoughts for Debian.
Matt Kracht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >have no idea whose idea it was split every library into two (or more!) >packages, either. As a developer, this can, I suppose, be a little annoying. The whole point is that if you, a _user_ (note the emphasis) require a shared library to _run_ a program, you shouldn't be obliged to obtain all the static linking libraries, header files, etc. to go with it. Those things would only be needed by those compiling programs. libelf0, which I maintain, is a fairly small package. libelf0-dev has an 800 kilobyte .a file (plus headers, and a few other things). Do you really think users, who _only want to run software_, would thank me if I put that file, which would never be used, into libelf0? And that's not an isolated example, either... you can find similar cases with libc. >all required. Then I find out that the guy who compiled it did something >weird. Lynx 2.6 doesn't compile with it. So, I go to the S-LANG home >page and get the real source and compile it. Lynx compiles fine. Why >was I recompiling Lynx? Because the guy who compiled that screwed it >up! My God, I've recompiled half the Debian packages, it seems like. So report bugs. It takes only a little amount of your time compared to recompiling, and the result is a set of packages better suited to your, and hopefully other people's, needs. What's more, upgrading programs compiled as a Debian package is a helluva lot more easy than upgrading programs installed by hand - there were programs on my old Slackware system that had long since been gone, but still had configuration files, and other things like that, floating around in odd spots - solely because I didn't know where to look for them. Debian, and RedHat, take the pain out of upgrades in that respect.. and Debian's package management system is more advanced in severals respect than RedHat's. >I don't know. Maybe I'm just not in the correct mindset for Debian. I >like to run the latest stuff. Debian offers, it seems, only the oldest, >most stable software. Hardly the oldest.. but yes, one of the aims is stability. Running the latest stuff, as somebody else pointed out, is a recipe for disaster on a system being run as part of an ISP, or a commercial situation. In those situations, you _WANT_ the most stable software you can _GET_ - if you're constantly rebooting, expensive hardware is not being utilised effectively. > I just don't see why anyone would run Linux and >not want to compile software, be on bleeding edge, and actually >administer a UNIX system... I feel like I'm running Windows 95. Compile software: it takes time. Have you tried compiling X? I have; in fact, I am under a certain _obligation_ to do so, since I'm supposed to test as many alpha servers as I can for the XFree86 project. If a make World gets done overnight, it's a pretty good job - admittedly on a relatively slow system, but it illustrates the point. Keith Lewis, a sysadmin here at Monash, used to compile every program installed on the mainstream machines. This took up his _entire_ morning, as he transferred sources for requested software, compiled it, and installed it. Now he accepts compiled binaries, making notes of who compiled what - it takes up much less time when he could be fixing more serious problems. Be on bleeding edge: if the bleeding edge falls over, what do you do? At home, on a hobby machine, it's not a problem; in a workplace environment, it is _totally_ unacceptable. (workplace environment, in this case, also refers to home computers being used for work.) If it ain't broke, DON'T FIX IT. (that's the philosophy for work computers, of course :) Administer a UNIX system: yes, but the above two mentioned things are not related to this argument. >Unconfigurable software with horrid defaults, plain bad planning, >changing industry standards without notice, etc. Unconfigurable? Get your hands dirty, and look under /etc sometime. Changing industry standards? Enlighten me - how does Debian do this? (No sarcasm, I'm genuinely interested.) Bad planning? On occasion, guilty as charged; feel free to volunteer to help us with this. That's where Debian comes from: the work of volunteers. Yes, at times, our act is not brilliant; but from what I've seen, Debian has managed to get a lot more right than wrong. Off topic, but slightly related: I'd like, at this point, to sing the praises of Bruce Perens. He's done a magnificent job, against a lot of flack from several developers (when they disagreed, and those who agreed with him kept quiet :). My hat goes off to him. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian-1.2.3 and libc5 problems
On 21 Jan 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > of the packages in 1.2.3 pre-depends on libc5 (>= 5.4.17-1), a > number of packages were marked for removal. > > We've worked around this problem by s using Debian-1.2.2 rather > than stable for the dselect ftp directory. I'll check to see if > the libc5 problem is a known bug and if not I'll submit a bug > report. I had this problem, too. I tried a number of different solutions, and I eventually went to unstable (something I really didn't want to do...) to take care of it. Unfortunately, this caused a couple of other dependancy problems, which don't seem to be as serious as the libc5 one. Shouldn't libc5 v.5.4.17-1 be in the stable directory, there are a number of progs in stable that require it (ex. perl, quake, etc)? I'll look into using Debian-1.2.2 instead of unstable. Sean -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: User names longer than 8 characters
I have been able to do it with the --force-badname in the adduser command. Chad D. Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://dabcc-www.nmsu.edu/~chad/ On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, Orn E. Hansen wrote: > > The subject line says it... in these days user names longer than 8 > characters are becoming popular... user names with additional non > alphanumeric characters in them as well. > > But if I set my name longer than 8 characters, I get a complaint about > it being longer than 8 characters? > > Any comments? > > -- > > Ørn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > fax; +46 035 217194 > > > > -- > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Some thoughts for Debian.
> If you think Debian has a tremendous amount of software, you should try > sunsite.unc.edu or tsx-11.mit.edu sometime. Look how much Debian has compared to Slackware or RedHat, though. All of it integrated with the Debian package manager. > I'm seriously thinking of going back to slackware. I've searched > ftp.debian.org for bash 2.0, the 2.1.x kernel, and other recent software, Ummm, why would you expect an operating system to come with an EXPERIMENTAL and UNSTABLE kernel? If Debian would ship with 2.1.x, I'd really dislike it. But the kernel-package works fine with 2.1.x. Just download it. Or you can do it like you always did with Slackware -- the "hard way". but they're nowhere to be found. I just found out that my Debian system > compiled Linux 2.1.21 with the 2.0.27 kernel headers because someone You probably didn't use the kernel-package then. If you want to do it manually, fine, but like any other system, you need to make sure you know what you're doing. Let the package system work for you -- don't be constantly trying to subvert it. > thought it was a good idea to fuck with the Linux kernel and libc. I > have no idea whose idea it was split every library into two (or more!) > packages, either. This is ridiculous. Under Slackware, when I want There is no reason for somebody that just needs to run a program that requires, for insance, Tcl, Tk, SLANG, XView, etc. to have the full development binaries. It is a waste of disk space. Besides, how hard is it to hit + twice instead of once in dselect if you want the developer's version of the package? > S-LANG, I go to S-LANG home page and ftp it, compile it, and install it. > Debian gives me several packages to choose from, which, it turns out, are > all required. Then I find out that the guy who compiled it did something > weird. Lynx 2.6 doesn't compile with it. So, I go to the S-LANG home > page and get the real source and compile it. Lynx compiles fine. Why > was I recompiling Lynx? Because the guy who compiled that screwed it > up! My God, I've recompiled half the Debian packages, it seems like. > All this effort could have gone towards making my old Slackware system > more usuable than my current Debian system! Please elaborate here. Lynx works fine on my machine. So does SLANG, SLRN (uses Slang), most (also uses slang), etc. > > I don't know. Maybe I'm just not in the correct mindset for Debian. I > like to run the latest stuff. Debian offers, it seems, only the oldest, > most stable software. I just don't see why anyone would run Linux and Really. Please take another look. One of the main reasons I picked Debian instead of RedHat or Slackware was that Debian had the most current software. When I installed it, Debian had kernel 2.0 while Slackware was stuck at 1.2.13. Today, Redhat has 2.0.18, Slackware 2.0.0, and Debian has 2.0.27. (Actually, this was current as of December.) Gee, Slackware really is on the bleeding edge > not want to compile software, be on bleeding edge, and actually > administer a UNIX system... I feel like I'm running Windows 95. > Unconfigurable software with horrid defaults, plain bad planning, > changing industry standards without notice, etc. You make lots of accusations without mentioning any specific instance. Unless you elaborate with examples, you can hardly expect anyone to take you seriously. What software isn't configurable??? Debian has Sendmail available just like anyone else. You can make your own cf file just like anyone else. You are familiar with the concept of the /etc directory, aren't you??? -- John Goerzen | Running Debian GNU/Linux (www.debian.org) Custom Programming| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to type accents with pine in a msg?
> Even simpler is to change the "pine" editor to vim, and enable vim's > digraph support. Then you can enter all the accented charracters in > ISO-8859-1 by typing Ctrl-V followed by two other characaters. > > E.g. "e-acute" is "^Ve'". I guess you mean Ctrl-K instead of Ctrl-V... -- Michel Beland [EMAIL PROTECTED] professionnel de recherchetel: (514)369-5223 fax: (514)369-3880 CERCA (CEntre de Recherche en Calcul Applique) 5160, boul. Decarie, bureau 400(423), Montreal (Quebec), Canada, H3X 2H9 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
pppd error message (FreeBSD <-> Debian GNU/Linux)
I don't know if this is a FreeBSD problem or a Debian GNU/Linux problem... I'm using pppd between kirk (a FreeBSD 2.1.6.1-RELEASE machine) and bitbucket (a Debian 1.2 box, linux kernel 2.0.27). It works fine, except for an annoying message that keeps showing up in kirk's log files: Jan 21 19:42:26 kirk pppd[24736]: demuxprotrej: Unrecognized Protocol-Reject for protocol 19041! It usually happens once every ten minutes (to the second) but sometimes more or less often. It really clutters up kirk's log files, and I'd like to put a stop to it if I can. >From bitbucket, I use pppd+chat to dial kirk, log in, and exec kirk's pppd. Here are the config files. No error messages appear in bitbucket's log, and kirk doesn't get any messages until some time after the connection is established. Here are the /etc/ppp/options files. I am the only person using pppd on either of these two machines. kirk: passive +pap login proxyarp netmask 255.255.255.0 204.244.190.1:204.244.190.9 bitbucket: /dev/ttyS1 115200 modem defaultroute crtscts passive user steve I've also tried pppd with the "modem" and "crtscts" options on kirk, and the "-ac -bsdcomp -pc -pred1comp -vj" compression disabling options on bitbucket. No change. Other than these messages, everything is fine. Both modems are Cardinal 33.6 kbps external. I get FTP speeds over 3k per second and `ping -s 8` times of 100-110 ms. Anyone know how to stop these messages? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PostScript without PS printers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Bob, > > Yes, please email the details when you've set up under Debian, as well as > any hardware considerations. I'm currently checking out the how-to's, and > would appreciate very much a real-world example of something I'd like to > be able to do on my box. > > TIA, > > Marty Stan Brown wrote: > > I would be interested in knowing what it atkes to get this working. I > am fixing to buy a small HP color printer, and I currently use a > postcript printer only. > > Thanks. > > -- > Stan Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] Stan & Marty:gs-aladdin I now have my printer (Canon BJC-4100) working under Debian. It was really easy; only one tricky part. First install Aladdin gs package. It's in non-free and called gs-aladdin. Then, install APSFilter. It's in the text section and is called apsfilter. After APSFilter is unpacked, an interative setup program will prompt you for specifics like what kind of printer you have and what serial/parallel port to use. The available devices are (from gs -h): x11 x11mono x11alpha x11cmyk lvga256 vgalib ap3250 appledmp bj10e bj200 bjc600 bjc800 cdeskjet cdjcolor cdjmono cdj500 cdj550 cp50 declj250 deskjet djet500 djet500c dnj650c epson eps9mid eps9high epsonc ibmpro imagen iwhi iwlo iwlq jetp3852 laserjet lbp8 lips3 lj250 ljet2p ljet3 ljet3d ljet4 lj4dith ljetplus lp2563 m8510 necp6 oce9050 paintjet pj pjetxl pjxl pjxl300 r4081 sj48 st800 stcolor t4693d2 t4693d4 t4693d8 tek4696 dfaxhigh dfaxlow faxg3 miff24 faxg32d faxg4 tiffcrle tiffg3 tiffg32d tiffg4 tiff12nc tiff24nc tifflzw tiffpack bit bitrgb bitcmyk bmpmono bmp16 bmp256 bmp16m cgmmono cgm8 cgm24 cif mgrmono mgrgray2 mgrgray4 mgrgray8 mgr4 mgr8 pcxmono pcxgray pcx16 pcx256 pcx24b pbm pbmraw pgm pgmraw pgnm pgnmraw pnm pnmraw ppm ppmraw psmono sgirgb pngmono pnggray png16 png256 png16m pdfwrite nullpage The tricky part is that these are the devices supported by gs. Not all of these will be offered as choices by APSFilter. For example, I used bjc600 even though that printer type was not offered as a choice during APSFilter configuration dialogue. I just typed it in anyway and it works. I obviously can't say how other printers will work since I only own one printer, but the package seems flexible and is a breeze to set up. BTW, printing is not exactly fast since ALL files including plain ascii will now be converted to PostScript before being fed to the printer via gs. As an added benefit other non-ascii, non-PostScript files are automatically converted and printed too! The file types handled is determined by the availability of conversion utilities detected by APSFilter during configuration. One more hint, if you don't know which IO port to tell APSFilter to use, try: insmod lp cat /proc/ioports Good Luck! --Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cant get kernel-package!
Hi, I too also ran into this loop as described below. Currently, I can't get any more packages selected because I have yet to find a clean exit out of the dependency loop. I didn't seem to have any problems until I downloaded the new package lists. I think I saw a reference in the debian-announce list that atleast one of the files had been revised. could this be the problem? On what may be a related question, I noticed that dselect does not recognize that you have a higher version of Tk installed, and so requires that you install an older version to get some software to run. It would seem that it should be checking to see that a newer version is already installed and so not require the older as well. Is this indicating that: a) dselect does not check relative version numbers on packages like Tk where the version is attached to the name or b) this feature is not working correctly? Warren Overholt > On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, Kendrick Myatt wrote: > > > when I use dselect to try and get kernel-package, i get into an infinite > > loop with dependencies on packages perl and libc5. I + them and they get *, > > but when I enter, I go back to dependencies and there they are again, still > > showing *! > > > > I X'd back and tried again from start, chose ftp, looked at packages, > > kernel-package was STILL selected, and I STILL got into the same boat when i > > tried to continue. Trying to purge those two packages was the bright idea I > > had, but I soon realized I would have to remove most of my system once the > > dependencies were ruled out :( > > -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Rescue/boot disk utilities
What happened to the vanilla ftp binary on the rescue/boot disk for 1.2? There is a boatload of new, although questionable (tcpd?) utilities on the rescue/boot disk, but no ftp! Its rather nice to have a regular ftp binary for grabbing local installation scripts and use them to pull stuff off of cdrom rather than nfs mounting hosts to get the scripts... any way to throw it on a new floppy update sometime before 1.3 come out? Thanks, -J. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Initial install with dselect
There has been some recent discussion as to upgrading dselect with more "user friendly" features for first-time Linux users. However, before this path is taken, I think that some of the inherent bugs in dselect should be addressed beforehand. For example: 1. For whatever reason in Debian release 1.1, dselect consistantly skipped packages primarily in the non-free section on initial install. You basically had to go with the default settings and go back after installing _these_ packages before you could add new ones. Sometimes this worked, sometimes it didn't. At some point after several attempts, dselect would catch its errs (for whatever reason) and install the "previously selected" items. It may have been due to some packages slipping through dselect's dependency checks and causing errors on post-installation setups (e.g. LaTeX and INN configs in the 1.2 release), I dunno. In 1.2, this is still happening, except that there are some more packages showing up not installed in the contrib and news sectioans as well (22 pkgs total). Something else that seems curious in the dselect procedure is that these packages show up under: dpkg --yet-to-unpack, but dselect doesn't touch them. dpkg -O should manually install them, but how many first-time users would know that "man dpkg" let alone dpkg itself exists? 2. If dselect hits _any_ install errors after a first-time setup, it WILL cycle through the entire package database "Skipping deselected pkg" or "Version xx.xx-xx already installed, skipping." times the number of errors that were encountered on the first pass (i.e. I had 3 errors on post installation of some INN stuff and I sat there watching dselect cycle through the entire package database 3 time skipping already installed or deselected packages or hitting the same 3 errors). 3. All of this disappears when _all_ of the install errors have been corrected. This again seems strange as the errors happen at various points in the installation procedure. Most of the packages after the errors _do_ get installed. It just appears to be a select few that don't. I don't have the faintest clue as to how dselect/dpkg maintain its internal database of packages marked for selection, but they (it) sure doesn't appear to do pkg install inline with the internal database. Confused, -J. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The CD Issue
>Bruce, you have my total support for this proposal. I'm sorry I was >not in touch enough to give you the support when you really needed it. I whole heartedly agree and support this idea as well. I am *happy* to pay an extra two dollors for an offical, nicely packaged version of Debian. I don't see any way in which this is unreasonable. I support the Debian project and would be upset/annoyed to see Debian loose acceptance in the commercial sector simply because of a misundertanding (which seems to be oh so easy via email). Adam. - Earthlight Communications Limited P.O. Box 5301 Adam Shand (fax) +64 3 477 5463 Dunedin, New Zealand Systems Manager(voice) +64 3 479 0303 http://www.earthlight.co.nz/larry/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: weird su behavior
On Tue, 21 Jan 1997 12:38:39 PST Ricardo Kleemann ([EMAIL PROTECTED] .com) wrote: > recently I've been having problems going into root... > > When I do a 'su' and type in the passwd, it kicks me out with a "Broken pipe" > When this is happening, I also can't telnet into the machine; the telnet > session gets closed. > > What could be causing this? No idea :-) > Where could I look to diagnose the problem? (nothing unusual is showing up > in /var/log/messages or /var/log/syslog). Try doing a `strace su' as root to see where is breaks... Strace is in the strace package. Phil. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Some thoughts for Debian.
> "Matt" == Matt Kracht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Matt> Debian gives me several packages to choose from, Matt> which, it turns out, are all required. Then I find out that the Matt> guy who compiled it did something weird. Lynx 2.6 doesn't Matt> compile with it. So, I go to the S-LANG home page and get the Matt> real source and compile it. Lynx compiles fine. Why was I Matt> recompiling Lynx? Because the guy who compiled that screwed it Matt> up! My God, I've recompiled half the Debian packages, it seems Matt> like. All this effort could have gone towards making my old Matt> Slackware system more usuable than my current Debian system! Instead of just whining, why don't you tell us what these problems are so that we could improve on them. Why don't you contribute more to the project to make debian a better system? I am sure debian can use your expertise. After all, we are all volunteers. Matt> I don't know. Maybe I'm just not in the correct mindset for Matt> Debian. I like to run the latest stuff. Debian offers, it Matt> seems, only the oldest, most stable software. I just don't see Matt> why anyone would run Linux and not want to compile software, be Matt> on bleeding edge, and actually administer a UNIX system... I I, for one, use debian for my real work and don't want to be on the edge all the time. There are many people who run Linux as a ``production system'' and rely on them heavily and therefore don't want to be on the bleeding edge. One objective of Debian is to produce a _stable_ system that runs reliably. In case you want the latest software, you can always roll your own packages by debmake which makes debiansing a package a simple task most of the time. -- Billy C.-M. Chow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Department of Systems Engineering The Chinese University of Hong Kong -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Some thoughts for Debian.
In your email to me, Matt Kracht, you wrote: > On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, John Goerzen wrote: > > > > I think if debian is going to succeed, it's going to have to be reduced > > > to a standard set of "core" applications that will make up the "offical" > > > > I *very strongly* disagree. One of the things that brought me to Debian in > > the first place, and kept me here despite some problems with the 1.2 > > release, > > is the tremendous amount of available software. > > If you think Debian has a tremendous amount of software, you should try > sunsite.unc.edu or tsx-11.mit.edu sometime. Yeah, so whats your point? A major ftp site is not a Linux distribution... > I'm seriously thinking of going back to slackware. I've searched > ftp.debian.org for bash 2.0, the 2.1.x kernel, and other recent software, > but they're nowhere to be found. I just found out that my Debian system I'd be very surprised if Slackware has them either... > compiled Linux 2.1.21 with the 2.0.27 kernel headers because someone Wrong!! Every recent (2.x.x) kernel uses its own includes, and not /usr/include. You should check the source before making statements like this. > thought it was a good idea to fuck with the Linux kernel and libc. I > have no idea whose idea it was split every library into two (or more!) > packages, either. This is ridiculous. Under Slackware, when I want > S-LANG, I go to S-LANG home page and ftp it, compile it, and install it. > Debian gives me several packages to choose from, which, it turns out, are > all required. Then I find out that the guy who compiled it did something > weird. Lynx 2.6 doesn't compile with it. So, I go to the S-LANG home > page and get the real source and compile it. Lynx compiles fine. Why > was I recompiling Lynx? Because the guy who compiled that screwed it > up! My God, I've recompiled half the Debian packages, it seems like. > All this effort could have gone towards making my old Slackware system > more usuable than my current Debian system! Really? You just said the even under Slackware, you have to go to the ftp site and get it and compile it! Did you install the slang package? > I don't know. Maybe I'm just not in the correct mindset for Debian. I > like to run the latest stuff. Debian offers, it seems, only the oldest, > most stable software. I just don't see why anyone would run Linux and Show me any major distribution that is running bleeding edge stuff. The poing of having a 'distribution' is to have a stable suite of programs. > not want to compile software, be on bleeding edge, and actually > administer a UNIX system... I feel like I'm running Windows 95. Obviously, you never administered a high-availablilty multiuser machine... just your little hacker playtoy machine. Try explaining to 200-300 users that you'll be down for a few hours because you installed some new software, and broke the system. > Unconfigurable software with horrid defaults, plain bad planning, > changing industry standards without notice, etc. If you don't like change, let me send you, free of charge, a full DOS 6.22 package. The nature of linux is change. Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps "Have you ever seen an atom, Little bits of everything floating by, Take a good look at them, Collectively they compose all you see including your eye" - "Whoops" - Blues Traveler ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: JDK not working
On 21-Jan-97 Martin Alonso Soto Jacome wrote: >Hello: > >I have just installed version 1.0.2-3 of jdk-common and jdk-static from >non-free. However, when I try to run the java executables, all I get is, > >naoma: ~$ java >java was not found in /usr/lib/jdk/i586/bin/java >naoma: ~$ jdb >java was not found in /usr/lib/jdk/i586/bin/java >naoma: ~$ javac >java was not found in /usr/lib/jdk/i586/bin/java > >Any clues on what the problem may be? > >Thanks a lot, > >M. S. Hi, I solved this problem by doing ln -s /usr/bin/java /usr/lib/jdk/i586/bin/java I hope this helps! Ramos. P.S.: Look for the java binary (The above symbolic link will work if it is in /usr/bin; I cannot assure you of this because I do not have jdk installed at this moment). --- J. RAMOS Goncalves | E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Department of Physics - University of Reading - England - U.K. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Duplicate files in man directories
On Jan 20, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Victor Torrico) wrote: > I have a large number of duplicate files in various man directories. The > duplicates all have one date when I do an ls -l within a directory. What > must I do to remove the files with this date without removing the other > files in the directory? Can I use grep in conjunction with some other > command? The file dates look like "Aug 12" for example. There are too > many of them to rm one at a time. As you can tell I am not a unix > wizard. Little by little though I'm learning. Really enjoy Debian > because you learn so much while using it. The short is "look at the man page for find", and that's good advice anyway, because 'find' is a wonderful tool. On the otherhand, what do you mean by "duplicate files"? You should be aware that /usr/man/man1/crontab.1 is not the same as /usr/man/man5/crontab.5. Also, /usr/man/man1/crontab.1 is not the same as /var/catman/cat1/crontab.1. Steve Greenland -- The Mole - I think, therefore I scream "You can't go in there!" "Yes I can. This is America. I can go anywhere I want to." [The two main characters in Rob Reiner's wonderful _The_Sure_Thing_] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
problems with cron and caldera wordperfect
Greets, There seems to be a problem with cron.. it doesn't work.. all the crontabs I have installed don't run, and the system ones don't either. Also, I cannot get caldera wordperfect to run, it almost seg faults.. as does star office for that matter.. any clues? Thanx, Miro -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
SOLUTION to HELP with X and problem with PEX and XIE
Hi, I found the problem, its a bug in the script xf86config. It wrote some bad lines in my XF86Config in the mouse pointer section. But, before i found that, i uninstall X-windows and reinstall it. The problem is with PEX and XIE extenions, they are not loaded. What can i do? Thanks Dany -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Donations to the Debian project
> Has anyone looked into taxes? How is Debian setup? Is there offical > paper(in the eyes of fed./state/country)? We've looked, but little has been done. We have a treasurer volunteer (Bruce said, breathing a great sigh of relief that he would not be stuck with the job). Thanks Bruce -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Donations to the Debian project
Hi, Bruce Perens wrote: > > A number of people have asked how to make donations to the Debian project. > We will not accept any until after we have elected a board of directors. > The reason for this is that we have no treasurer at present, and it's up > to the BOD to elect one. The developers will elect their board later this > week. Has anyone looked into taxes? How is Debian setup? Is there offical paper(in the eyes of fed./state/country)? Just wondering, David -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Debian review in Linux Journal
Hi, I'd like to know if someone can give me a link to a place where I can read the Debian review made by the Linux Journal staff in their November 1996 issue. >From www.debian.org I thought the review was in September's issue so I order the back issue and sadly found out that in that issue there was just a distribution comparisson. Thanks in advance. E.- -- Eloy A. Paris Information Technology Department Rockwell Automation de Venezuela Telephone: +58-2-9432311 Fax: +58-2-9430323 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
dpkg architecture
Hiya, I just noticed that the "dpkg--print-architecture" command gives me back "i386" while I'd guess, since I have a PPro, it should say "i686". This is, in fact, what "uname" gives me. Is "i386" used here to mean intel machines generally? Reason I wondered is that the debian kernel rules file seems to call the dpkg architecture command and not the system one. Thanks, Jesse Goldman -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian logo submissions
On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, Tim Sailer wrote: > In your email to me, Casper BodenCummins, you wrote: > > > > A friend of mine has donated a logo to the Debian project for > > consideration. It's sketchy, but we think the idea has some potential. > > Only thing is, where do we send it? > > > > If anyone's interested, there's a copy at > > www.wollery.demon.co.uk/penguin.gif. > > That is quite good! It sticks with Linus' penguin theme, and is clean, > simple, and scalable! Is there are high res source available? > > Tim Definitely! This is the best logo I've seen so far! Please visit the debian logo page (available from debian's home page) and fing out how to submit this! Thanks Richard G. Roberto [EMAIL PROTECTED] 011-81-3-3437-7967 - Tokyo, Japan -- *** Bear Stearns is not responsible for any recommendation, solicitation, offer or agreement or any information about any transaction, customer account or account activity contained in this communication. *** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
HELP!!! X-Windows is dead!
Hi, If i try to go in X, i receive the error message: X: exec of /usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_Mach64 failed _X11TransSocketUNIXConnect : Can't connect : errno = 2 _X11TransSocketUNIXConnect : Can't connect : errno = 2 _X11TransSocketUNIXConnect : Can't connect : errno = 2 _X11TransSocketUNIXConnect : Can't connect : errno = 2 _X11TransSocketUNIXConnect : Can't connect : errno = 2 _X11TransSocketUNIXConnect : Can't connect : errno = 2 giving up xinit : No such file or directory (errno2 ): unable to connect to Xserver xinit : No such process (errno 3): Server error. This problem appear after a reboot. Please, help me!! Dany Dionne Physics Department Universite Laval -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
NEVERMIND Re: tty1 locked up
Nevermind. I'm a moron. I'm going home now... -Kendrick At 12:01 PM 1/21/97 -0600, Kendrick Myatt wrote: >I was editing something in Pico the other day and someone did a >boarding-house reach across my keyboard to get something. In the process >they bumped their elbow on the keyboard a couple of times and hit *some* >combination of keys that locked up the F1 virtual console. So I went to F2... > >I kill -9 the pico -- nothing. Killed the login session -- nothing. So I >am stuck on F2 for now, I guess reboot *shrug* I see nothing but my current >session for root and nothing about tty1 at all... > >If I just knew the keystrokes, it would be a good security script *grin* > >Just curious if anyone else has had this happen... > >Think I'll rebuild my kernel before I reboot.. hmmm... :) > >Regards, > >Kendrick > > >-- >TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cant get kernel-package!
On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, Kendrick Myatt wrote: > when I use dselect to try and get kernel-package, i get into an infinite > loop with dependencies on packages perl and libc5. I + them and they get *, > but when I enter, I go back to dependencies and there they are again, still > showing *! > > I X'd back and tried again from start, chose ftp, looked at packages, > kernel-package was STILL selected, and I STILL got into the same boat when i > tried to continue. Trying to purge those two packages was the bright idea I > had, but I soon realized I would have to remove most of my system once the > dependencies were ruled out :( > > I'm trying again to see if I can get kernel-package and it's 3 dependencies > (the source and that other thing...) then I Q'd on the perl... > > *sigh* Now it's downloading all kinds of packages I didn't ask for, cron3.0, > perl5.003, dpkg1.4, etc... > I know it is probably just that I was not used to dselect, but I have had this type thing happen quite a bit myself. Would it make sense to add an option to dselect which allows you to list out all of the pending installations/removals of packages before actually going through the process. I don't have this happen as much anymore, but I sure did in the beginning... Scott S. > > What did I screw up, and is there some way to globally reset dselect, as I > believe I have done something to really confuse it :( > > Thanks for any help.. I'll keep working on this end :) > > Regards, > > Kendrick > > > -- > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The CD Issue
I'm just coming into this conversation, so please forgive me while I get up to speed on this... As I understand it, Bruce proposed... - Debian would have an specific "ultra-stable" CD image that anybody could use. - Debian would have an "Official" logo which it would let people put on their CDs if they would sign a contract stating they would give $2 of the sale of each CD to Debian. - A 1-900 help line where people could call for official Debian support. In response, people said... - Debian was becoming Microsoft - Debian had abandoned the "free software" idea Come on, guys! These are just low blows and don't have any weight behind them. Bruce's proposal has a lot of merit! Even the FSF _charges_ for its CDs, tapes, and manuals. As somebody else said, "non-profit" does not mean "non-income". Debian is committed to making a high-quality Linux distribution. It's not commited to public charity. Even the GPL says you can charge anything you want for the software. You just can't restrict further distribution of that code. Bruce, you have my total support for this proposal. I'm sorry I was not in touch enough to give you the support when you really needed it. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- Searching for something? Look to us! http://www.verisim.com/ferret/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What's the ALT-F4 stuff?
Todd Graham Lewis wrote: > Ok, how's this for a killer Linux feature. killall(1). I f*cking _love_ > killall; you just have to be careful not to use it on non-Linux systems. > 8^) > Nice try, but wrong again. That's a SVR4 feature :) >From my Solaris man page... killall(1M) Maintenance Commandskillall(1M) NAME killall - kill all active processes SYNOPSIS /usr/sbin/killall [ signal ] AVAILABILITY SUNWcsu DESCRIPTION killall is used by shutdown(1M) to kill all active processes not directly related to the shutdown procedure. killall terminates all processes with open files so that the mounted file systems will be unbusied and can be unmounted. killall sends signal (see kill(1)) to the active processes. If no signal is specified, a default of 15 is used. Stephen --- "Normality is a statistical illusion." -- me -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
stack trace
Hi All, I do not really know where to post this. I'll give myself to shot to post here. Please reply via private email unless someone else is intereted. I'd like to know, in a c/C++ program, how to get the call stack trace just like in the dbx, do a where will show all calling functions! Thanks! -- Timothy C. Phan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) NEC America, Inc. ASL 1525 Walnut Hill Ln. Irving, TX 75038 tel: (214)-518-3437 fax: (214)-518-3499 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gcc & cc1
The problem I reported earlier was repaired by dpkg -r gnat suggesting that gnat (Ada compiler not 'gnats') is the source of the problem. Richard -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Making kernel using "make install"
At 12:08 AM 1/19/97 +0100, Thomas Baetzler wrote: >Victor Torrico wrote: >> >> When making a kernel 2.0.27 I do the following: >[clumsy procedure deleted] > >Actually, on Debian it´s so much nicer to install the kernel-package >package. >Then you cd to the linux source, "make mrproper" and "make config" just >once, and then you can always rebuild your kernel by running >"make-kpkg binary". This´ll give you a new kernel package that contains >all you need. "dpkg --install" it, and so even your Debian system knows >which kernel you´re using. ### Okay, I did this and waited a little over an hour for it to get all through and am ready for the "dpkg --install" part, but I don't have a package called kernel-package.anything anymore, so what package am I installing Regards, Kendrick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[LinuxISP-BR] FreeBSD Security Advisory: SA-96:21 - talkd (fwd)
Just got this cert advisory... it's for talkd, and although from the FreeBSD advisory, applies to most talkd's... Will debian fix its talkd so we can reinstall a package? Ricardo -- Forwarded message -- Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 19:00:05 -0200 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [LinuxISP-BR] FreeBSD Security Advisory: SA-96:21 - talkd -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 10:38:57 -0600 From: FreeBSD Security Officer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: BoS: FreeBSD Security Advisory: SA-96:21 - talkd Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 21:04:26 +1100 (EST) Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- = FreeBSD-SA-96:21Security Advisory FreeBSD, Inc. Topic: unauthorized access via buffer overrun in talkd Category: core Module: talkd Announced: 1997-01-18 Affects:1.0, 1.1, 2.1.0, 2.1.5, 2.1.6, 2.1.6.1 Corrected: 2.2-current as of 1997-01-18 2.1-stable as of 1197-01-18 FreeBSD only: no Patches:ftp://freebsd.org/pub/CERT/patches/SA-96:21/ References: AUSCERT AA-97.01 (Australian CERT organization), SEI CERT VU#5942 (internal tracking reference only) = I. Background Buffer overrun (aka stack overflow) exploits in system supplied and locally installed utilities are commonly used by individuals wishing to obtain unauthorized access to computer systems. The FreeBSD team has been reviewing and fixing the source code pool to eliminate potential exploits based on this technique. Recently, the Australian CERT organization received information of a buffer-overrun vulnerability in the talkd daemon shipped in most modern BSD based systems. II. Problem Description To quote AUSCERT: talk is a communication program which copies text from one users terminal to that of another, possibly remote, user. talkd is the daemon that notifies a user that someone else wishes to initiate a conversation. As part of the talk connection, talkd does a DNS lookup for the hostname of the host where the connection is being initiating from. Due to insufficient bounds checking on the buffer where the hostname is stored, it is possible to overwrite the internal stack space of talkd. By carefully manipulating the hostname information, it is possible to force talkd to execute arbitrary commands. As talkd runs with root privileges, this may allow intruders to remotely execute arbitrary commands with these privileges. This attack requires an intruder to be able to make a network connection to a vulnerable talkd program and provide corrupt DNS information to that host. This type of attack is a particular instance of the problem described in CERT advisory CA-96.04 "Corrupt Information from Network Servers". This advisory is available from: ftp://info.cert.org/pub/cert_advisories/ Recent versions of FreeBSD 2.2 -current may not be affected with this vulnerability due to improved security in new versions of BIND, which sanity-check the results of reverse name lookups performed by the DNS system. III. Impact Intruders may be able to remotely execute arbitrary commands with root privileges. Access to a valid user account on the local system is not required. IV. Workaround Disable the ntalkd program found in /etc/inetd.conf by commenting the appropriate line out and reconfiguring inetd. # grep -i ntalk /etc/inetd.conf ntalk dgram udp waitroot/usr/libexec/ntalkd ntalkd After editing /etc/inetd.conf, reconfigure inetd by sending it a HUP signal. # kill -HUP `cat /var/run/inetd.pid` V. Solution The patches found at the following URL fix this vulnerability. Patches are available for FreeBSD 2.1.x (-stable) and -current. Acknowledgment: These patches were based off of published work provided by BSDI, Inc. After applying these patches, recompile and re-install the affected utilities. For FreeBSD -current (2.2 prerelease and 3.0 prerelease) systems: Index: announce.c === RCS file: /cvs/freebsd/src/libexec/talkd/announce.c,v retrieving revision 1.6 diff -u -r1.6 announce.c --- announce.c 1997/01/14 06:20:58 1.6 +++ announce.c 1997/01/18 08:27:04 @@ -34,7 +34,7 @@ */ #ifndef lint -static char sccsid[] = "@(#)announce.c
gcc & cc1
My new installation (1.2.1) no longer compiles via gcc. The system error message is: 'gcc: installation problem, cannot exec 'cc1': No such file or directory' Any clues/hints? Richard -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mail: deliver error
I just installed Debian and am having a problem with sendmail. Messages to the machine are returned with the following error: deliver: error writing to header file /tmp/dl.b15609 deliver: error writing to body file /tmp/dl.c15609 Although I'm embarrassed to admit it, I made the terrible mistake of executing "chown -R root. ." as root while in /etc . I think this is the source of the problem, though I'm not sure. 1. Could someone send me a file listing of their /etc directory so I can correct the file ownerships? 2. Any suggestions for the mail delivery problem? Bennett Brown
Re: Networking problems
At 04:28 PM 1/20/97 +, Karsten Bolding wrote: >Hi > >I have problems networking, below I've listed output from relevant programs but when I ftp or telnet or rlogin the system fails. ftp just hangs and the 2 other comes with a no route error > >Any help would be appreciated since I can't get any further installing the system (I've installed the base system from disk and wan't to use the ftp method in dselect). ### I've been there.. it's a frustrating state to be in... > >Karsten > >PS: I've tried using the IP-address directly, so it's not a resolver problem. > >ifconfig: >loLink encap:Local Loopback > inet addr:127.0.0.1 Bcast:127.255.255.255 Mask:255.0.0.0 > UP BROADCAST LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:3584 Metric:1 > RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 > TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 > >eth0 Link encap:10Mbps Ethernet HWaddr 00:20:AF:C8:2F:71 > inet addr:130.226.145.156 Bcast:130.226.145.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 > UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 > RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 > TX packets:5 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 > Interrupt:10 Base address:0x300 > Just looking at you IP address and netmask, they look wrong. 130.226.145.156 is a Class B address, and you are using a Class C Netmask. It looks like that is a valid ip address since it belongs to the Danish Network for Research and Education, and you are in .dk domain, so check with your system admin and see if your netmask is not supposed to be 255.255.0.0. Or some weird subnet :) Looks like they are using the whole thing, though, from the address of your main router being .1 as it is below... >route >Kernel IP routing table >Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface >localnet* 255.255.255.0 U 0 01 eth0 >127.0.0.0 * 255.0.0.0 U 0 00 lo >default 130.226.145.1 0.0.0.0 UG1 00 eth0 That's all I can see from here, so if that doesn't help maybe some networking god or goddess on the list can shed some more light on the subject :) Regards, Kendrick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
JDK not working
Hello: I have just installed version 1.0.2-3 of jdk-common and jdk-static from non-free. However, when I try to run the java executables, all I get is, naoma: ~$ java java was not found in /usr/lib/jdk/i586/bin/java naoma: ~$ jdb java was not found in /usr/lib/jdk/i586/bin/java naoma: ~$ javac java was not found in /usr/lib/jdk/i586/bin/java Any clues on what the problem may be? Thanks a lot, M. S. Martin A. Soto J. Profesor Departamento de Ingenieria de Sistemas y Computacion Universidad de los Andes [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Some thoughts for Debian.
On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, John Goerzen wrote: > > I think if debian is going to succeed, it's going to have to be reduced > > to a standard set of "core" applications that will make up the "offical" > > I *very strongly* disagree. One of the things that brought me to Debian in > the first place, and kept me here despite some problems with the 1.2 release, > is the tremendous amount of available software. If you think Debian has a tremendous amount of software, you should try sunsite.unc.edu or tsx-11.mit.edu sometime. I'm seriously thinking of going back to slackware. I've searched ftp.debian.org for bash 2.0, the 2.1.x kernel, and other recent software, but they're nowhere to be found. I just found out that my Debian system compiled Linux 2.1.21 with the 2.0.27 kernel headers because someone thought it was a good idea to fuck with the Linux kernel and libc. I have no idea whose idea it was split every library into two (or more!) packages, either. This is ridiculous. Under Slackware, when I want S-LANG, I go to S-LANG home page and ftp it, compile it, and install it. Debian gives me several packages to choose from, which, it turns out, are all required. Then I find out that the guy who compiled it did something weird. Lynx 2.6 doesn't compile with it. So, I go to the S-LANG home page and get the real source and compile it. Lynx compiles fine. Why was I recompiling Lynx? Because the guy who compiled that screwed it up! My God, I've recompiled half the Debian packages, it seems like. All this effort could have gone towards making my old Slackware system more usuable than my current Debian system! I don't know. Maybe I'm just not in the correct mindset for Debian. I like to run the latest stuff. Debian offers, it seems, only the oldest, most stable software. I just don't see why anyone would run Linux and not want to compile software, be on bleeding edge, and actually administer a UNIX system... I feel like I'm running Windows 95. Unconfigurable software with horrid defaults, plain bad planning, changing industry standards without notice, etc. Ugh. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Test to see if smail works
Ignore me please. Txs. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Accents in pine
Orn Hansen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote on 21 January 1997 20:17: >Now, this is pine and áéíóúý come out just fine, within the built in >editor... Beautiful, but where did you find the áéí? They're not on our keyboards... What I want is to be able to type 'a and get an á. Carlos -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
weird su behavior
Hi, recently I've been having problems going into root... When I do a 'su' and type in the passwd, it kicks me out with a "Broken pipe" When this is happening, I also can't telnet into the machine; the telnet session gets closed. What could be causing this? Where could I look to diagnose the problem? (nothing unusual is showing up in /var/log/messages or /var/log/syslog). TIA Ricardo -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Please, let us end the misery.
On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, Jens B. Jorgensen wrote: [snip] > I propose that a Debian-list Do's-And-Don'ts be constructed and > sent to everyone when they first sign on the list. Sort of like > netiquette but more towards help with common problems we see here. > There should be something like "before you send a post to the > list, make sure you gather all relevant information regarding > your problem, e.g. configuration files, error logs, command lines. ok, of course your right but (grin there is always a but isn't it?) the problem for many I think (certainly for me) is to gather just that relevant info. If you're a new user you don't know your way around yet so you don't know where to find logs, config files, yes even command lines (last one if it's run through script's you don't find) so if people state their problem and you think (or know) there is not enough info to help them, tell them where and how to find the info you'd need. It'll help every newbie when you do so! certainly don't start getting sarcastic, remember when you first started messing around with a new system (and not only linux!) > In particular check the man page (i.e. type 'man program-name') > to find out if the program you're having trouble with produces > (or can produce debugging information and where what file it goes > to" and so on, and so on. It will probably need a short ditty on > how syslog works. And of course, it should mention that people > should check the bug list. BTW, where is the freakin' bug list? ciao, --- Geert "Esger" Raestel.: (+32) 820 26 66 Centrum Medische Genetica fax.: (+32) 820 25 66 Universiteit Antwerpen UIA E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Universiteitsplein 1 WWW: http://bioc-www.uia.ac.be/u/esger 2610 Wilrijk --- E-music on the Net : http://bioc-www.uia.ac.be/u/esger/emusic --- People talking about the environment ought to read "The Sheep Look Up" by John Brunner, then they'll know what pollution is. --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Withdrawl of fee for producing Debian CDs
On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, Tim Sailer wrote: > In your email to me, Dale Scheetz, you wrote: > [clip] > > > > In any case, whether we call it contributions or payments, the bottom line > > is, we need a place to send money for the project. The ability to do this > > is a pre-depends on any other scheme for financing the project. Doesn't > > the project have enough legal status to open a checking account? What do > > we need to do to get to that point? > > In most states, you have to file for at least a DBA, and be able to > take that to the bank to open a commercial account. THe only problem > with that is the suck more out of a commercial account than a personal > one.. And who is going to document where the money goes? I personally > don't care abotu the details, but *someone* is going to demand an > accounting someday. I think Bruce has enough to do right now.. I agree both that someone will need to perform this task, and that Bruce should not be encombered with such responsibilities, he does more than enough already. Sounds like one of the early responsibilities for the BOD will be to appoint/adopt a Treasurer for the organization. Rather than a DBA I was hoping that someone might know how their local LUG or other clubs deal with the issue of "money management". We will obviously need some volunteer effort to make this happen, so get your excuses all lined up ;-) but let us know what the alternatives are. > > > > P.S. Just another point. If we had a place to deposit money, any future > > montary problems could be solved by "small" donations from the developers. > > I'd certainly send in $10 to help finance the project through any tough > > times. If the rest of the group feels as I do this would yield $1600 > > dollars in one fell swoop. This wouldn't get very many people to trade > > shows, but it would provide funds for advertising and other promotional > > material. > > I'd gladly personally send $10-$20 now, and have our fledgling ISP > send in $50-100, because we're running Debian.. > Good to know that others are willing to contribute. We need to understand what our "necessary" budget is like before we just "throw" money at the problem. And, of course, we first need a place to sent our monetary contributions. Luck, Dwarf -- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 If you don't see what you want, just ask -- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian logo submissions
In your email to me, Casper BodenCummins, you wrote: > > A friend of mine has donated a logo to the Debian project for > consideration. It's sketchy, but we think the idea has some potential. > Only thing is, where do we send it? > > If anyone's interested, there's a copy at > www.wollery.demon.co.uk/penguin.gif. That is quite good! It sticks with Linus' penguin theme, and is clean, simple, and scalable! Is there are high res source available? Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps "Have you ever seen an atom, Little bits of everything floating by, Take a good look at them, Collectively they compose all you see including your eye" - "Whoops" - Blues Traveler ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
New modem question
I'm looking to buy a new modem for Linux only, because my other modem is an IBM MWave, which will not work. I can get a 14.4 US Robotics Courier HST/PC for PC & Bus compatible MS-Dos systems. Will this work? I just want to figure out how to set one up, as a learning experience, and I can get this modem for $50. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to type accents with pine in a msg?
( Re Message From: Martin Alonso Soto Jacome ) > > Hi Carlos: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > > How is it possible to type accents in a mail msg. composed with pine? > > I saw no mention of 8bit composing in the man page, docs and config > > files. > > Is far as I know, there's no way to type accents with pine's built in editor. > > I guess you have to use an external editor like emacs, for example. It does > a > prety good job with accents, but may be quite slow to start up. > > Regards, > > M. S. > > Martin A. Soto J. Profesor Even simpler is to change the "pine" editor to vim, and enable vim's digraph support. Then you can enter all the accented charracters in ISO-8859-1 by typing Ctrl-V followed by two other characaters. E.g. "e-acute" is "^Ve'". Ted.([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Withdrawl of fee for producing Debian CDs
In your email to me, Dale Scheetz, you wrote: [clip] > > In any case, whether we call it contributions or payments, the bottom line > is, we need a place to send money for the project. The ability to do this > is a pre-depends on any other scheme for financing the project. Doesn't > the project have enough legal status to open a checking account? What do > we need to do to get to that point? In most states, you have to file for at least a DBA, and be able to take that to the bank to open a commercial account. THe only problem with that is the suck more out of a commercial account than a personal one.. And who is going to document where the money goes? I personally don't care abotu the details, but *someone* is going to demand an accounting someday. I think Bruce has enough to do right now.. > P.S. Just another point. If we had a place to deposit money, any future > montary problems could be solved by "small" donations from the developers. > I'd certainly send in $10 to help finance the project through any tough > times. If the rest of the group feels as I do this would yield $1600 > dollars in one fell swoop. This wouldn't get very many people to trade > shows, but it would provide funds for advertising and other promotional > material. I'd gladly personally send $10-$20 now, and have our fledgling ISP send in $50-100, because we're running Debian.. Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps "You cannot paint the 'Mona Lisa' by assigning one dab each to a thousand painters." -- William F. Buckley, Jr. ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cant get kernel-package!
when I use dselect to try and get kernel-package, i get into an infinite loop with dependencies on packages perl and libc5. I + them and they get *, but when I enter, I go back to dependencies and there they are again, still showing *! I X'd back and tried again from start, chose ftp, looked at packages, kernel-package was STILL selected, and I STILL got into the same boat when i tried to continue. Trying to purge those two packages was the bright idea I had, but I soon realized I would have to remove most of my system once the dependencies were ruled out :( I'm trying again to see if I can get kernel-package and it's 3 dependencies (the source and that other thing...) then I Q'd on the perl... *sigh* Now it's downloading all kinds of packages I didn't ask for, cron3.0, perl5.003, dpkg1.4, etc... What did I screw up, and is there some way to globally reset dselect, as I believe I have done something to really confuse it :( Thanks for any help.. I'll keep working on this end :) Regards, Kendrick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]