Re: willing to learn php basics

[jagginess]

Bernard wrote:

Hi to Everyone !

How can I learn how to make first steps in PHP ?

I run Debian Lenny, and I lately got acquainted with MySQL : I 
installed a server on my system, built a few databases there, using 
basic SQL scripts. I also learnt to manage those MySQL databases with 
OpenOffice.org_base.


Now, I wish to try managing those MySQL bases from a web page that 
would contain PHP scripts. I have found a short document, a kind of a 
FAQ, that explains a few PHP basics, still I miss some down-to-Earth 
knowledges :


Have I got to install one or more Debian packages for PHP ?  
'$apt-cache search PHP' gives too many results for a choice. If the 
MySQL server and databases end up to the webspace that my Internet 
Provider allows to me, I suppose that the PHP interpreter and/or 
compiler will have to be there, not on my system ?   Still, I suppose 
that I must install something locally so as to be able to send 
meaningfull commands using appropriate scripts ?  Prior to run tests 
on distant web space, I first wish to carry trials with connexions to 
my local mysql server.


Thanks in advance for your help



install the php module for apache, then head for the php org site.
the most basic thing to do is to see if phpinfo();   displays support 
for mysql-php..



if it does, then the next basic test is to see if you use an phpmysql 
dbconnect command and print a "1" or "0" to the html page..
and do a dbdisconnect phpcommand for any open closing before finishing 
the php page.


after this, you can try learning more from help online.. notably this 
might help


http://www.php.net/manual/en/indexes.php

and go to the start of mysql_* named functions.. that should give a 
slight hint ;-)

good luck..



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Re: VirtualBox or VMware?

[Martin Willcocks]

Hi all:

I have VMWare Fusion 2 installed on a MacBook executing a clone of my 
former Windows XP laptop as a virtual machine (the laptop had developed 
overheating problems and unexpected blue-screen shutdowns due to a CPU 
fan issue).  The results are very satisfactory and I can run WordPerfect 
11 on the clone with full network access to a Windows XP desktop where 
many of my data files are stored. 

It was somewhat difficult to set up the clone the way I wanted it but I 
was able to do so with some resizing with Partition Commander 10 Pro.


My experience of VMWare was positive.  Hope that helps. 


Martin Willcocks


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Re: Is Squeeze right for me?

[Rob Owens]

On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 03:28:31PM -0800, John Jason Jordan wrote:
> 
> This was the fourth time I had attempted to install a version of
> Debian. In each case I had problems that I was unable to repair. The
> first two times with testing I lost the window manager and gnome-panel.
> I tried at least a dozen suggestions to fix the problem, but I could
> not get them to load automatically on login. I even set up a new user,
> where metacity and gnome panel worked fine. But after a day of working
> as the new user, suddenly I lost metacity and gnome-panel again. The
> only way to sleuth down exactly what was causing the problem would be
> to log out and  back in again after every single little configuration
> change or app install, which would take a week at least.
> 
> After the mess with an unbootable Unstable yesterday (which takes
> nearly two hours to install over the internet), I was so bummed at
> Debian that last night I installed Fedora 12. As I expected, package
> management sucks compared to the Debian world. But it connected to my
> bluetooth mouse right off (which worked fine in Jaunty as well) but
> which I could never get working in Debian. And so far there have been
> no problems.
> 
> I'm going to stick with Fedora for a while and see how it goes. I still
> love Debian. But the problem is that every version of Debian, including
> the derivatives like Ubuntu, have problems that render them unsuitable
> for me.
> 
If you want to experiment w/ Debian Stable (and use backports are
apt-pinning to get more recent versions of Scribus, etc), you could try
running it from a USB flash drive.

Instructions:

1) Download
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/i386/usb-hdd/debian-live-502-i386-gnome-desktop.img

2) Insert USB drive and make sure it's unmounted (your desktop
environment may automatically mount it.  If so, unmount it).

3) As root or sudo:
dd if=debian-live-502-i386-gnome-desktop.img of=/dev/sdX .. Where
sdX is the device name for your usb drive.

4) Create a partition for persistence
As root or sudo:
fdisk /dev/sdX
p (print the existing partition table)
n (create a new partition)
p (primary partition)
2 (partion #2)
enter (accept default)
enter (accept default to use the entire remaining space for this partition)
w (write the partition table)

5) Create the filesystem for persistence
As root or sudo:
mkfs.ext2 -L live-rw /dev/sdX2 (note the "2" which is for the second partition 
on your USB drive)

Now you can boot off of the USB device.  At the boot menu, hit Tab (I
think) to edit the boot parameters.  Add the word "persistent" (no
quotes).  Hit enter to boot.

-Rob


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Re: live cd/usb projects?

[Rob Owens]

On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 04:07:45PM -0400, Geoffrey Lane wrote:
> Will try to make long story short here, I know I probably just need a  
> larger drive to accommodate a full distro but I can't afford to right  
> now. I have been reading but unsure of the outcome, being pulled into  
> other directions. I also wanted to ask somethings before I start.
>
> I've been looking around to find a good desktop replacement style live  
> cd. I know I need to just spend some more money on a larger usb  
> thumbdrive but in this economy who can blame me for trying to get most  
> bang for my buck?
>
> My thumbdrive is a biometric (as in fingerprint reader) 2gb drive. It  
> partitions the "safe" data aside from public files. I want to  
> repartition it to allow roughly 512-768mb for Linux - in this case less  
> is better!
>
> Perhaps I'm picky and I'll be the first to admit that. My ideal is of  
> course Debian and apt-get/deb. The Debian/xfce live cd is ok @ 400mb but  
>  I'd like to shrink it or keep it same size with my preferred apps. The  
> remaster guide is straight forward - similar to my knoppix (except back  
> then it was cloop). I  have also looked at other live cd scripts like  
> the one slax uses [http://www.linux-live.org/] and the ones listed in  
> Debian repo. I'm cautious because the Debian scripts (SEEM) to be no  
> longer maintained, and the slax scripts are designed for Slackware
>
> I wonder first how many has done what I'm looking to do? Are there some  
> people using linux-live script to make one, or another method? Am I  
> making things to difficult? I mean are my expectation on size too much?  
> Are there projects like this (maintained)? My ideal cd is a "desktop  
> replacement", I could use xfce, openbox, fluxbox, e17 - ANYTHING. I want  
> things like internet apps (web, email, ftp, irc, im, torrent), picture  
> and documents, archive maker/extractor and if possible multimedia  
> (music, video). A few Linux apps like vnc, gparted or rescue apps,  
> console would be nice but not necessary -- (why I want apt-get)
>
I currently use Debian Live.  I create my own images for USB using the
live-helper scripts.  The latest one I made came in at just over 700MB.
Here's the list of packages I specified to include (not all the
dependencies are listed):

lxde lxlauncher
desktop-base xfonts-mathml
gnome-icon-theme hicolor-icon-theme gnome-extra-icons
gnome-icon-theme-blankon gnome-icon-theme-dlg-neu
gnome-icon-theme-gartoon gnome-icon-theme-nuovo gnome-icon-theme-suede
gnome-icon-theme-yasis wm-icons 
inkscape
virtualbox-ose virtualbox-ose-source 
fluxbox fbpanel feh
vorbisgain flac audacious audacity grip vlc gnome-alsamixer
iceweasel swfdec-mozilla adblock-plus iceweasel-greasemonkey
iceowl
ekiga
rsync
evince openoffice.org 
less vim-full xterm
gimp imagemagick feh
openssh-client
conky gkrellm gkrellm-volume
ntp nmap dnsutils iftop
gnomebaker cdw
wine cabextract

If you need pointers on how to do this yourself, let me know.  If you
want to give me a list of apps and have me make an image for you, I can
do that as long as you have a way for me to get it to you (rsync server,
ftp server, etc).

Note that I use fluxbox as my window manager, but I install LXDE as well
because brings in a lot of apps that I find handy.  Plus I intend to
experiment with using LXDE...someday.

-Rob


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Re: Debian can not boot from RAID-1

[Justin The Cynical]

Yuriy Kuznetsov wrote:


Check that the megaraid_sas driver is loading.  When I installed Etch, I
had to rebuild the initrd with that module after the initial install.


Could advice on how I can check this please? I reckon that this is my
problem as when system is trying to boot - it looks like it's not even reach
as far as HDDs at all.


Boot the system as far as you can and check the scrollback to see if the 
module is being loaded.



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RE: VirtualBox or VMware?

[David Christensen]

Nick Douma wrote:

> No, but there are binaries for most distributions in their respective
> repositories, including debian.

Thank you:

2009-11-27 16:04:15 dpchr...@p3600 ~
$ apt-cache search virtualbox
virtualbox-ose - x86 virtualization solution - binaries
...


STFW briefly just now, I don't see VirtualBox OSE Windows binaries.  I recall 
having the same result the last time I looked.


> http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Licensing_FAQ .
> Took me 5 seconds to find using the "docs" links in the menu on the left side.

The point is:  when I'm on the Download page, there should be links to the 
licenses because I need that information to make an informed decision.


I attempted to inform Sun via their Feedback pop-up.  Please try it for 
yourself:

http://dlc.sun.com/virtualbox/vboxdownload.html


HTH,

David


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Re: Squeeze Release ?

[Kelly Clowers]

On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 10:36, Ken Heard  wrote:
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>
> Brent Clark wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know if Squeeze is going be Frozen in December or know of
>> anything for that matter.
>
> No announcement of a freeze yet, but read the following:
>
> - -
> The Debian Project                                 http://www.debian.org/
> Debian adopts time-based release freezes                 pr...@debian.org
> July 29th, 2009                  http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090729
> - -
>
> Debian decides to adopt time-based release freezes
>



They backed off on that almost right away.


Cheers,
Kelly Clowers


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Re: Chat Client

[Kelly Clowers]

On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 04:58, S. Fishpaste
 wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 08:25:10 +0800, Niu Kun in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote:
>> Roman Gelfand wrote:
>>> I am looking for a good web xmpp client that would is able to make
>>> server to server connection on port 5222.
>>>
>>> Would anyone know of such software?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Pidgin may be the most famous one.
>
> +1 Great client. Can use for Facebook,Yahoo,MSN & GTalk in one session.

Facebook has an xmpp proxy now, gtalk is xmpp, and msn and yahoo can be
done with server side transports. No need for a multi-protocol client at all.


Cheers,
Kelly Clowers


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Re: Debian can not boot from RAID-1

[Justin Piszcz]

On Fri, 27 Nov 2009, Yuriy Kuznetsov wrote:


On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Justin Piszcz wrote:




On Fri, 27 Nov 2009, Yuriy Kuznetsov wrote:

 Hi Justin,


On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 12:38 AM, Justin Piszcz 
wrote:




You can also boot a Linux Live CD (or system rescue CD) or knoppix and
fdisk -l - make sure you have a bootable partition and its the same one
on
each of the raid-1 disk members.

Justin.



Now when I go with rescue CD and do fdisk -l it's showing me RAIDs like a
single drive, ie /dev/sda for RAID1 and /dev/sdb for RAID5.
This is my first time experience with RAID but my impression is that as
soon
as you gathered disks under RAIDs they would show up as single units in
/dev.

Correct me if I'm wrong, please.



Hi,

Disk /dev/sdb: 150.0 GB, 149989359616 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 18235 cylinders

Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Disk identifier: 0xa49f8981


  Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sdb1   1209016787893+  82  Linux swap /
Solaris
/dev/sdb2   *2091   18235   129684712+  83  Linux

Does the partition containing /boot on your system have a '*' next to it as
I show above (for /dev/sda)?

Justin.

Hi Justin,


What does '*' mean?

Thanks,
yuriy



It means that the partition is set to be bootable.

Justin.


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Re: Squeeze Release ?

[Paul Johnson]

Ken Heard wrote:

> Debian decides to adopt time-based release freezes

I'll believe it when I see it:  It sounds like a bad idea and requires a
fundamental change to how Debian does business.  Snowballs have a better
chance of remaining frozen in hell than Debian does sticking to
time-based releases (as opposed to the current quality-based releases).



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Re: Squeeze Release ?

[Paul Johnson]

Brent Clark wrote:

> Hiya
>
> So November is coming to an end, and we have seen the release of Ubuntu 
> Karmic, Fedora 12, Mandriva etc, and today ... FreeBSD 8.

So?  If everybody else jumped off a bridge, would you follow them?



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Re: Is Squeeze right for me?

[John Jason Jordan]

On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 12:54:02 -0800
Paul Johnson  dijo:

> John Jason Jordan wrote:
> 
> > Having spent just a day in testing I am not happy with the quantity of
> > bugs. Yes, I know it is called "testing" for a reason. And I am happy
> > to do my part to help fix problems. Yet I need a computer that I can
> > use for real work. But at the same time I want the latest and greatest.
> > I need OOo 3.1 and Scribus 1.3.5.1 and the most recent versions of
> > several other apps that I live in all day long.
> 
> Really?  What do OOo 3.1 and Scribus 1.3.5.1 have to offer that you
> can't do in older versions?

OOo 3.1.1 fixes a lot of bugs when using Math in a Writer document. I
need that feature to work. Scribus 1.3.5.1 adds so many features that
it would take too long to list them. Suffice it to say that I need the
new features. I do book design and layout, and these tools are critical
to me.

> > The stable versions of Debian are not sufficiently cutting edge for me. Or 
> > have I
> > misunderstood that?

> Probably misunderstood.  Testing is NOT for you if you just want it to
> work.  That's what stable is for.  Stability or cutting edge:  Pick one.

> > The local Linux friends who thought I should move on from Ubuntu
> > suggested testing as the closest in the Debian world to the Ubuntu way
> > of doing things. After today I am thinking they were wrong. 

> Ubuntu is closest to the Debian way of thinking, if Debian were clubbed
> in the head with a brick by Special Ed to make Debian "special" too.

I was migrating from Ubuntu Jaunty. One of my goals in doing so was to
increase my knowledge. The other goal was to get a distribution that is
better supported by the Scribus developers. Scribus depends on Qt4, and
apparently the Ubuntu developers have taken liberties with it. Scribus
developers do not mince words in expressing their dislike of Ubuntu.
They openly suggest Debian, Fedora or OpenSuse. Debian package
management has no peer in the Linux world. Hence, Debian was my first
choice.

I should add that in order to embark on this journey I purchased a new
hard disk for my laptop. The only one with Jaunty sits on a shelf. I
can use it as a source of config files and data, or I can just put it
back in and I am back where I was in Jaunty.

What has happened since I posed the question at the beginning of this
thread is that I tried installing Unstable. In doing so I wiped out
Testing and reformatted the hard disk. At the end of the installation
it asked if I wanted Grub 2, Grub 1.5, or LILO. I selected Grub 2. But
when the installer tried to write Grub 2 to the MBR something bad
happened and I got an error message that installing Grub had failed. I
used the back button and tried installing Grub 1.5 instead, but that
also failed. I used the back button once more and installed LILO.
Unfortunately, thinking that it would make it easier to replace LILO
with Grub later, I told it to install it to sda1 (which is /) instead
of sda. LILO installed fine, but when I rebooted at the end of the
installation I got a Grub 2 error screen. I could not recover from the
error screen because the commands available are useless. In short,
there was no way to boot.

This was the fourth time I had attempted to install a version of
Debian. In each case I had problems that I was unable to repair. The
first two times with testing I lost the window manager and gnome-panel.
I tried at least a dozen suggestions to fix the problem, but I could
not get them to load automatically on login. I even set up a new user,
where metacity and gnome panel worked fine. But after a day of working
as the new user, suddenly I lost metacity and gnome-panel again. The
only way to sleuth down exactly what was causing the problem would be
to log out and  back in again after every single little configuration
change or app install, which would take a week at least.

After the mess with an unbootable Unstable yesterday (which takes
nearly two hours to install over the internet), I was so bummed at
Debian that last night I installed Fedora 12. As I expected, package
management sucks compared to the Debian world. But it connected to my
bluetooth mouse right off (which worked fine in Jaunty as well) but
which I could never get working in Debian. And so far there have been
no problems.

I'm going to stick with Fedora for a while and see how it goes. I still
love Debian. But the problem is that every version of Debian, including
the derivatives like Ubuntu, have problems that render them unsuitable
for me.


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Re: Debian can not boot from RAID-1

[Yuriy Kuznetsov]

On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Justin Piszcz wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009, Yuriy Kuznetsov wrote:
>
>  Hi Justin,
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 12:38 AM, Justin Piszcz > >wrote:
>>
>>
>>> You can also boot a Linux Live CD (or system rescue CD) or knoppix and
>>> fdisk -l - make sure you have a bootable partition and its the same one
>>> on
>>> each of the raid-1 disk members.
>>>
>>> Justin.
>>>
>>>
>> Now when I go with rescue CD and do fdisk -l it's showing me RAIDs like a
>> single drive, ie /dev/sda for RAID1 and /dev/sdb for RAID5.
>> This is my first time experience with RAID but my impression is that as
>> soon
>> as you gathered disks under RAIDs they would show up as single units in
>> /dev.
>>
>> Correct me if I'm wrong, please.
>>
>>
> Hi,
>
> Disk /dev/sdb: 150.0 GB, 149989359616 bytes
> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 18235 cylinders
>
> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
> Disk identifier: 0xa49f8981
>
>
>   Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
> /dev/sdb1   1209016787893+  82  Linux swap /
> Solaris
> /dev/sdb2   *2091   18235   129684712+  83  Linux
>
> Does the partition containing /boot on your system have a '*' next to it as
> I show above (for /dev/sda)?
>
> Justin.
>
> Hi Justin,

What does '*' mean?

Thanks,
yuriy

Re: live cd/usb projects?

[Jiří Paleček]

On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 21:30:02 +0100, Geoffrey Lane   
wrote:


Will try to make long story short here, I know I probably just need a  
larger drive to accommodate a full distro but I can't afford to right  
now. I have been reading but unsure of the outcome, being pulled into  
other directions. I also wanted to ask somethings before I start.


[ snip ]


I wonder first how many has done what I'm looking to do?


Perhaps many.

Are there some people using linux-live script to make one, or another  
method?


I am using dfsbuild (not really maintained, had to patch it) to make a  
similar (in extent, not in purpose) live CD. It contains some 5 kernels,  
gcc, gdb, cmake, some -dev packages, web browser (opera), emacs.


You may also have a look at the KDE Four live CD, and how they make it.

Am I making things to difficult? I mean are my expectation on size too  
much?


Difficult but not unattainable. But you'll probably have to use  
compression somehow (on the CD I use zisofs).


Are there projects like this (maintained)? My ideal cd is a "desktop  
replacement", I could use xfce, openbox, fluxbox, e17 - ANYTHING. I want  
things like internet apps (web, email, ftp, irc, im, torrent), picture  
and documents, archive maker/extractor and if possible multimedia  
(music, video). A few Linux apps like vnc, gparted or rescue apps,  
console would be nice but not necessary -- (why I want apt-get)


I'm not sure about the office apps, but I'm sure you can fit the rest on a  
CD, which is about the size you need.


Regards
Jiri Palecek


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Re: Which package provides /etc/init.d/inetd ?

[Chris Jackson]

Chris Jackson wrote:

Looks to me like Debian doesn't have that specific file, as far as I can 
make out. It does have a pretty well standard /usr/sbin/inetd in the 
package inetutils-inetd, which is started in turn by 
/etc/init.d/inetutils-inetd. If it's important to be called that, for a 
script or the like, you could symlink it perhaps?



Forgive me, it's openbsd-inetd that provides /usr/sbin/inetd, but the 
principle is the same.


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Re: Which package provides /etc/init.d/inetd ?

[Chris Jackson]

Mathieu Malaterre wrote:


When I execute, this search non of them is actually *exactly*
/etc/init.d/inetd. So no I do not think this was so trivial.



Looks to me like Debian doesn't have that specific file, as far as I can 
make out. It does have a pretty well standard /usr/sbin/inetd in the 
package inetutils-inetd, which is started in turn by 
/etc/init.d/inetutils-inetd. If it's important to be called that, for a 
script or the like, you could symlink it perhaps?


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Re: VirtualBox or VMware?

[Ken Heard]

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Mark Allums wrote:

> VBox will still provide your full virtualized CPU; so if trying DOS,
> disable as much as you can, like hardware support for virtualization. Be
> sure you run in a 32-bit mode.  DOS is not compatible with the most
> recent CPUs from Intel.  16-bit support is there (barely), but the
> chipset and motherboard will make it dicey.  64-bit mode is completely
> incompatible with a 16-bit program.
> 
> For what you are doing, I think VBox is a good choice.

I presently have a dual core Intel CPU running in 32 bit mode with
Lenny.  Dosemu works quite well on it.  I think I should be able to run
Windows 98 with WP 7 or higher in VBox.  The VBox website says that VBox
users have run Windows 98 on VBox successfully, but nobody on the VBox
team has tried it.  When I was still using Windows 98 (I have never used
any Windows version later than 98 because I changed over to Linux
instead of upgrading Windows.) I had no trouble with WP 7.  It remains
to be seen whether a later version of WP will work on Windows 98; I have
WP 12 to try.

Regards, Ken Heard

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Re: VirtualBox or VMware?

[Nick Douma]

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Mark Allums wrote:
> Ken Heard wrote:
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> I should have explained in my original post what I wanted to do.  In the
>> short run I want to run a Windows version of WordPerfect and so have
>> access to WordPerfect 5.1 (a DOS app) files that I have been creating
>> since the 80s, the contents of which I want to use now in a book I am
>> putting together.
>>
>> I was thinking of installing on VBox Windows 98, the only Windows
>> version I have, and install WP 7 or later for Windows in order to access
>> my WP 5.1 files.  In this way I can save my WP 5.1 files in ps or pdf
>> and use them elsewhere.  (I tried using OpenOffice but WP formatting is
>> lost when opening WP files in OOo.)
>>
>> So it would appear from the posts that I should use VirtualBox for now.
>> I could also install DOS on it and see if DOS apps work better on VBox
>> than on dosemu.
>>
>> Thank you all for your advice.
> 
> 
> VBox will still provide your full virtualized CPU; so if trying DOS,
> disable as much as you can, like hardware support for virtualization. Be
> sure you run in a 32-bit mode.  DOS is not compatible with the most
> recent CPUs from Intel.  16-bit support is there (barely), but the
> chipset and motherboard will make it dicey.  64-bit mode is completely
> incompatible with a 16-bit program.
> 
> For what you are doing, I think VBox is a good choice.
> 
> M. Allums

I don't have a VirtualBox installation here, so I can't check, but I do
believe that you can tell VirtualBox that you are running MS-DOS in your
VM, just as you can tell it's running Linux or Windows. I assume this
will automatically set the settings you are referencing. I could be
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Re: Chat Client

[Paul Johnson]

Roman Gelfand wrote:

> I am looking for a good web xmpp client that would is able to make
> server to server connection on port 5222.

None.  Clients are, by definition, not able to make a server to server
connection.



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Re: On Access Virus Scanner Recommendation

[Paul Johnson]

Holger Rauch wrote:

> I'm thinking about using NOD32 on a Debian system for on access virus
> scanning (i.e. scan a file when it's created or its contents are
> modified in some way).

Why, when it's so much easier to not allow connections from insecure
operating systems prone to virus infection to start with?


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Re: Iceweasel annoyance

[Paul Johnson]

Patrick Wiseman wrote:

> I don't have an answer for the OP, but this (top-posted) "response" is
> completely unresponsive, presumptuous, arrogant, unhelpful, dickish,
> and possibly a reason why people who come to this forum for help
> leave, pissed off.

Pot, have you met Kettle yet?  If you're going to pull that move, at
least trim off excessive quoting.  Or better yet, don't pull that move
to begin with.


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Re: VirtualBox or VMware?

[Mark Allums]

Ken Heard wrote:

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I should have explained in my original post what I wanted to do.  In the
short run I want to run a Windows version of WordPerfect and so have
access to WordPerfect 5.1 (a DOS app) files that I have been creating
since the 80s, the contents of which I want to use now in a book I am
putting together.

I was thinking of installing on VBox Windows 98, the only Windows
version I have, and install WP 7 or later for Windows in order to access
my WP 5.1 files.  In this way I can save my WP 5.1 files in ps or pdf
and use them elsewhere.  (I tried using OpenOffice but WP formatting is
lost when opening WP files in OOo.)

So it would appear from the posts that I should use VirtualBox for now.
I could also install DOS on it and see if DOS apps work better on VBox
than on dosemu.

Thank you all for your advice.



VBox will still provide your full virtualized CPU; so if trying DOS, 
disable as much as you can, like hardware support for virtualization. 
Be sure you run in a 32-bit mode.  DOS is not compatible with the most 
recent CPUs from Intel.  16-bit support is there (barely), but the 
chipset and motherboard will make it dicey.  64-bit mode is completely 
incompatible with a 16-bit program.


For what you are doing, I think VBox is a good choice.

M. Allums


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Re: Which package provides /etc/init.d/inetd ?

[Mathieu Malaterre]

On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 10:14 PM, Nick Douma  wrote:
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>>> Celejar wrote:
 On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 19:39:15 +0100
 Mathieu Malaterre  wrote:

 ...

> Which package provides  /etc/init.d/inetd ? I am on a debian stable
 system.

 You have a few choices, including openbsd-inetd and xinetd

 In general, you should install and learn to use 'apt-file'.

 Celejar
>>> I survived by clever use of http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages
>>> :P.
>>
>> really ?
>> http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=%2Fetc%2Finit.d%2Finetd&searchon=names&suite=stable§ion=all
>>
> Yes, really.
>
> http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=inetd&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any

When I execute, this search non of them is actually *exactly*
/etc/init.d/inetd. So no I do not think this was so trivial.


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Re: VirtualBox or VMware?

[Ken Heard]

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I should have explained in my original post what I wanted to do.  In the
short run I want to run a Windows version of WordPerfect and so have
access to WordPerfect 5.1 (a DOS app) files that I have been creating
since the 80s, the contents of which I want to use now in a book I am
putting together.

I was thinking of installing on VBox Windows 98, the only Windows
version I have, and install WP 7 or later for Windows in order to access
my WP 5.1 files.  In this way I can save my WP 5.1 files in ps or pdf
and use them elsewhere.  (I tried using OpenOffice but WP formatting is
lost when opening WP files in OOo.)

So it would appear from the posts that I should use VirtualBox for now.
I could also install DOS on it and see if DOS apps work better on VBox
than on dosemu.

Thank you all for your advice.

Regards, Ken Heard
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Re: Which package provides /etc/init.d/inetd ?

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>>> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 19:39:15 +0100
>>> Mathieu Malaterre  wrote:
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
 Which package provides  /etc/init.d/inetd ? I am on a debian stable
>>> system.
>>>
>>> You have a few choices, including openbsd-inetd and xinetd
>>>
>>> In general, you should install and learn to use 'apt-file'.
>>>
>>> Celejar
>> I survived by clever use of http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages
>> :P.
> 
> really ?
> http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=%2Fetc%2Finit.d%2Finetd&searchon=names&suite=stable§ion=all
> 
Yes, really.

http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=inetd&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any
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Re: Is Squeeze right for me?

[Kamil Kułaga]

On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 6:44 PM, John Jason Jordan  wrote:
> The local Linux friends who thought I should move on from Ubuntu
> suggested testing as the closest in the Debian world to the Ubuntu way
> of doing things. After today I am thinking they were wrong.
>
> I need advice.

I disagree with your friends. http://www.debian.org/devel/testing
Some packages in ubuntu are from unstable tree. Twice a year ubuntu
team pick packages and release. Debian/Testing gives you new package
as soon as it is "briefly" tested. So testing gives you opportunity
for not reinstalling your system for several time and have stable
enough system. Yesterday I checked firefox(iceweasel)  version in
debian testing and it is still 3.0.14!!!

Backports for stable are nice if you want to have only some
applications up to date (for example newer firefox) but core still
becomes extensively tested server distribution.


I used for several time unstable distribution for real work and now
using mix of testing and unstable for real work. Only what gives me a
lot od irritation is randomly not waking up from s2ram which didn't
work in ubuntu anyway.
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Re: Is Squeeze right for me?

[Mark Allums]

The local Linux friends who thought I should move on from Ubuntu
suggested testing as the closest in the Debian world to the Ubuntu way
of doing things. After today I am thinking they were wrong. 


Debian is what Ubuntu wants to be when it grows up.


(Ubuntu is a mix of Debian testing and unstable.)


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Re: VirtualBox or VMware?

[Hanspeter Spalinger]

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Ken Heard schrieb:
> I would appreciate opinions on the relative advantages/disadvantages of
> these two apps.
> 
> Regards, Ken Heard

Personaly I use both software.

I think VMware has a big plus if you run it on a Server and want manage
multiple Virtual Machines from remote places (managing the VMs on the
server trough a web-interface has a high coolness factor and makes it
easy to observe).
This is ideal for specialiced servers like http, mail or gameservers.

VB is imho easier to use. This makes it great for Testing Stuff localy
like test linux distros/software, run untrusted software in windows, etc.

Greetings
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Re: VirtualBox or VMware?

[Mark Allums]

>>> I would appreciate opinions on the relative advantages/disadvantages
>>> of these two apps.


VMWare is expensive.

For a desktop full virtualization deal, Virtualbox is dead easy to use.

VMWare is more mature.

VMWare is more suited to servers and large infrastructure.

Windows users should stick with MS Virtual Server.  Everyone else should 
use VMWare or Xen or KVM or Virtualbox.


Virtualbox does server support through Remote Display Protocol.  VMWare 
does more in that area.  Again, VBox is very easy to use, but VMWare has 
better control and administration.



>>
>> What are you trying to accomplish?


Mark Allums






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Re: Which package provides /etc/init.d/inetd ?

[Mathieu Malaterre]

On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 9:49 PM, Celejar  wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 19:39:15 +0100
> Mathieu Malaterre  wrote:
>
> ...
>
>> Which package provides  /etc/init.d/inetd ? I am on a debian stable system.
>
> You have a few choices, including openbsd-inetd and xinetd
>
> In general, you should install and learn to use 'apt-file'.

I admit not searching for it carefully, but I do not understand why I
can install bootp and I do not get any recommend or suggest for a
inetd package...


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Re: Which package provides /etc/init.d/inetd ?

[Mathieu Malaterre]

On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 9:51 PM, Nick Douma  wrote:
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> Celejar wrote:
>> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 19:39:15 +0100
>> Mathieu Malaterre  wrote:
>>
>> ...
>>
>>> Which package provides  /etc/init.d/inetd ? I am on a debian stable
>> system.
>>
>> You have a few choices, including openbsd-inetd and xinetd
>>
>> In general, you should install and learn to use 'apt-file'.
>>
>> Celejar
>
> I survived by clever use of http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages :P.

really ?
http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=%2Fetc%2Finit.d%2Finetd&searchon=names&suite=stable§ion=all

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Re: Debian can not boot from RAID-1

[Justin Piszcz]

On Fri, 27 Nov 2009, Yuriy Kuznetsov wrote:


Hi Justin,

On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 12:38 AM, Justin Piszcz wrote:



You can also boot a Linux Live CD (or system rescue CD) or knoppix and
fdisk -l - make sure you have a bootable partition and its the same one on
each of the raid-1 disk members.

Justin.



Now when I go with rescue CD and do fdisk -l it's showing me RAIDs like a
single drive, ie /dev/sda for RAID1 and /dev/sdb for RAID5.
This is my first time experience with RAID but my impression is that as soon
as you gathered disks under RAIDs they would show up as single units in
/dev.

Correct me if I'm wrong, please.



Hi,

Disk /dev/sdb: 150.0 GB, 149989359616 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 18235 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Disk identifier: 0xa49f8981

   Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sdb1   1209016787893+  82  Linux swap / Solaris
/dev/sdb2   *2091   18235   129684712+  83  Linux

Does the partition containing /boot on your system have a '*' next to it as 
I show above (for /dev/sda)?


Justin.


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Re: Which package provides /etc/init.d/inetd ?

[Nick Douma]

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Celejar wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 19:39:15 +0100
> Mathieu Malaterre  wrote:
> 
> ...
> 
>> Which package provides  /etc/init.d/inetd ? I am on a debian stable 
> system.
> 
> You have a few choices, including openbsd-inetd and xinetd
> 
> In general, you should install and learn to use 'apt-file'.
> 
> Celejar

I survived by clever use of http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages :P.
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Re: Is Squeeze right for me?

[Paul Johnson]

John Jason Jordan wrote:

> Having spent just a day in testing I am not happy with the quantity of
> bugs. Yes, I know it is called "testing" for a reason. And I am happy
> to do my part to help fix problems. Yet I need a computer that I can
> use for real work. But at the same time I want the latest and greatest.
> I need OOo 3.1 and Scribus 1.3.5.1 and the most recent versions of
> several other apps that I live in all day long.

Really?  What do OOo 3.1 and Scribus 1.3.5.1 have to offer that you
can't do in older versions?

> The stable versions of Debian are not sufficiently cutting edge for me. Or 
> have I
> misunderstood that?

Probably misunderstood.  Testing is NOT for you if you just want it to
work.  That's what stable is for.  Stability or cutting edge:  Pick one.

> The local Linux friends who thought I should move on from Ubuntu
> suggested testing as the closest in the Debian world to the Ubuntu way
> of doing things. After today I am thinking they were wrong. 

Ubuntu is closest to the Debian way of thinking, if Debian were clubbed
in the head with a brick by Special Ed to make Debian "special" too.



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Re: VirtualBox or VMware?

[Celejar]

On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 12:00:45 -0800
"David Christensen"  wrote:

> Ken Heard wrote:
> 
> > I would appreciate opinions on the relative advantages/disadvantages of 
> > these two apps.
> 
> I've been using VMware products for years, primarily to host development 
> environments on Windows desktops.  It's easy to use, robust, and efficient 
> enough for my needs.  VMware is up front with their licensing; they make 
> commercial products and offer free trial versions for evaluation and home 
> use.  There are numerous community-developed VM's available for the price of 
> a download.  In return, I have my clients buy licenses when I need VMware 
> products on a project.  I haven't done it yet, but VMware's claim to host the 
> same VM in development, test, and production environments is *very* 
> appealing.  (I've always had to deal with differing environments, and it can 
> be nightmare.)
> 
> 
> I've looked at VirtualBox and passed it up -- Sun does not offer binaries for 
> their OSS version, they are not up front with their licenses (searching for  
> 'license' did not find any links on the download or FAQ pages), registration 
> is required for some parts but not others, etc..  It strikes me as yet 
> another commercial product with a disingenuous OSS sales pitch.

[Disclaimer: I have never used either of the virtualization products
being discussed here.]

I)  IIANM, many OSS projects don't offer binaries - why should that
bother you, if, as someone else has already pointed out in this thread,
Debian provides them for you?

II))  I'd rely on the Debian project for the license stuff - AFAIK, of
all the major distros, it is one of the most concerned about license
issues.

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Re: Which package provides /etc/init.d/inetd ?

[Celejar]

On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 19:39:15 +0100
Mathieu Malaterre  wrote:

...

> Which package provides  /etc/init.d/inetd ? I am on a debian stable system.

You have a few choices, including openbsd-inetd and xinetd

In general, you should install and learn to use 'apt-file'.

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Re: Will rsync fix iso-file checksum failure? OT questions

[Paul E Condon]

On 20091126_102523, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:
> On Qui, 26 Nov 2009, Sthu Deus wrote:
>> Good day.
>>
>> I have badly downloaded dvd.iso file w/ Debian - though size is exactly 
>> the same as it should - md5sum check fails...
>>
>> My question is, Whither rsync can re-download the file in manner that 
>> allows me to redoanload it not (w/ ftp, etc) whole again?
>
> Yes, that's exactly what rsync does: it downloads only the parts that are 
> different.
>

Slightly OT question: How can I use rsync to get a copy of a
netinstall iso image from a Debian repository? I use rsync locally
between hosts on my LAN, but ...  What is an 'rsync repository' ? It
is not, so far as I can devine, simply 'rsync' the computer
program. Nor is it 'rsync' type service on an otherwise conventional
Debian repository. Is an 'rsync repository' where I should go to
update an iso image of netinstall? Or where?

A related OT question: where are dvd.iso files of Debian iso.s
available for download using rsync?

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Re: VirtualBox or VMware?

[Nick Douma]

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David Christensen wrote:
> Ken Heard wrote:
> 
>> I would appreciate opinions on the relative advantages/disadvantages
>> of these two apps.
> 
> I've been using VMware products for years, primarily to host 
> development environments on Windows desktops.
> It's easy to use, robust, and
> efficient enough for my needs.  VMware is up front with their
> licensing; they make commercial products and offer free trial versions
> for evaluation and home use.  There are numerous community-developed
> VM's available for the price of a download.  In return, I have my
> clients buy licenses when I need VMware products on a project.  I
> haven't done it yet, but VMware's claim to host the same VM in
> development, test, and production environments is *very* appealing.
> (I've always had to deal with differing environments, and it can be
> nightmare.)
> 
> I've looked at VirtualBox and passed it up -- Sun does not offer 
> binaries for their OSS version,

No, but there are binaries for most distributions in their respective
repositories, including debian.

> they are not up front with their
> licenses (searching for  'license' did not find any links on the
> download or FAQ pages), registration is required for some parts but
> not others, etc..  It strikes me as yet another commercial product
> with a disingenuous OSS sales pitch.

http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Licensing_FAQ . Took me 5 seconds to find
using the "docs" links in the menu on the left side.

> Xen looks like a true OSS project aimed at Linux on Linux.  I'd like 
> to try some day.
> 
> What are you trying to accomplish?
>
> HTH,
> 
> David
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live cd/usb projects?

[Geoffrey Lane]

Will try to make long story short here, I know I probably just need a 
larger drive to accommodate a full distro but I can't afford to right 
now. I have been reading but unsure of the outcome, being pulled into 
other directions. I also wanted to ask somethings before I start.


I've been looking around to find a good desktop replacement style live 
cd. I know I need to just spend some more money on a larger usb 
thumbdrive but in this economy who can blame me for trying to get most 
bang for my buck?


My thumbdrive is a biometric (as in fingerprint reader) 2gb drive. It 
partitions the "safe" data aside from public files. I want to 
repartition it to allow roughly 512-768mb for Linux - in this case less 
is better!


Perhaps I'm picky and I'll be the first to admit that. My ideal is of 
course Debian and apt-get/deb. The Debian/xfce live cd is ok @ 400mb but 
 I'd like to shrink it or keep it same size with my preferred apps. The 
remaster guide is straight forward - similar to my knoppix (except back 
then it was cloop). I  have also looked at other live cd scripts like 
the one slax uses [http://www.linux-live.org/] and the ones listed in 
Debian repo. I'm cautious because the Debian scripts (SEEM) to be no 
longer maintained, and the slax scripts are designed for Slackware


I wonder first how many has done what I'm looking to do? Are there some 
people using linux-live script to make one, or another method? Am I 
making things to difficult? I mean are my expectation on size too much? 
Are there projects like this (maintained)? My ideal cd is a "desktop 
replacement", I could use xfce, openbox, fluxbox, e17 - ANYTHING. I want 
things like internet apps (web, email, ftp, irc, im, torrent), picture 
and documents, archive maker/extractor and if possible multimedia 
(music, video). A few Linux apps like vnc, gparted or rescue apps, 
console would be nice but not necessary -- (why I want apt-get)


Any help, comments are welcome. If there are some discussions elsewhere 
please let me know or if you want to chat with me off list. I'm sorry 
the size of the email but I wanted to "show my work", I have looked 
around and read some sites about this.



Thanks for reading
Geo

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RE: VirtualBox or VMware?

[David Christensen]

Ken Heard wrote:

> I would appreciate opinions on the relative advantages/disadvantages of these 
> two apps.

I've been using VMware products for years, primarily to host development 
environments on Windows desktops.  It's easy to use, robust, and efficient 
enough for my needs.  VMware is up front with their licensing; they make 
commercial products and offer free trial versions for evaluation and home use.  
There are numerous community-developed VM's available for the price of a 
download.  In return, I have my clients buy licenses when I need VMware 
products on a project.  I haven't done it yet, but VMware's claim to host the 
same VM in development, test, and production environments is *very* appealing.  
(I've always had to deal with differing environments, and it can be nightmare.)


I've looked at VirtualBox and passed it up -- Sun does not offer binaries for 
their OSS version, they are not up front with their licenses (searching for  
'license' did not find any links on the download or FAQ pages), registration is 
required for some parts but not others, etc..  It strikes me as yet another 
commercial product with a disingenuous OSS sales pitch.


Xen looks like a true OSS project aimed at Linux on Linux.  I'd like to try 
some day.


What are you trying to accomplish?


HTH,

David


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Re: VirtualBox or VMware?

[Mirco Piccin]

HI,

> I would appreciate opinions on the relative advantages/disadvantages of
> these two apps

don't forget that with the new VMWare Player release (3.x) - that is free,
it's possible to create your own vm.
Before that release, it was not possible to do.

> VMWare is more server/service oriented in my opinion.

I agree.

Regards
M

Re: Reading kword documents

[Nick Douma]

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Alan Chandler wrote:
> It appears that kword has disappeared from other than the stable
> distribution.

Looks like you´re right, I can only find it in the experimental
distribution.

http://packages.debian.org/experimental/kword

> 
> I have some old files created in kword (.kwd extension) - and the only
> way I could read them (and convert to .odt) was to install kword on my
> lenny server, scp the file over to the server, ssh -X into it and use
> kword to read the file and convert to .odt format.
> 
> There has to be an easier way.
> 

Couldn´t you have just installed the stable package? Either that or
compile from source. It also looks like Abiword has a KWord
import/export filter.

http://www.abisource.com/wiki/PluginMatrix
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Re: X fails after upgrade

[Wayne]

Tony van der Hoff wrote:

Wayne wrote:

Tony van der Hoff wrote:

Hi,

Running testing on my laptop, which I haven't upgraded for a while.
Today I set a massive upgrade in motion, which eventually completed.

Rebooting, I now find that X won't start; the Xorg.0.log contains error
messages to the effect that "freetype" and "ati" modules are missing.
Then "No drivers available", Fatal server error: no screens found.

Can anyone suggest where to go from here, please?




Have you tried installing some ttf fonts and looking for a suitable 
ati package for whichever ati video card you have?


The xserver-xorg-video-ati package comes to mind.



You da man, wayne!

That's the answer; thanks very much.



Glad I could help.




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Reading kword documents

[Alan Chandler]

It appears that kword has disappeared from other than the stable 
distribution.


I have some old files created in kword (.kwd extension) - and the only 
way I could read them (and convert to .odt) was to install kword on my 
lenny server, scp the file over to the server, ssh -X into it and use 
kword to read the file and convert to .odt format.


There has to be an easier way.


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Re: VirtualBox or VMware?

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Ken Heard wrote:
> I would appreciate opinions on the relative advantages/disadvantages of
> these two apps.
> 
> Regards, Ken Heard

In my opinion this depends greatly on what you are trying to achieve
with the VM. I find VirtualBox a great tool for standalone VMs on a
desktop. VMWare is more server/service oriented in my opinion. While you
can also use VMWare Workstation for standalone desktop VMs, VMWare's
strong point is their Server based VM's, like vSphere and ESX server.
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Re: Debian can not boot from RAID-1

[Nick Douma]

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Hi Yuriy

Yuriy Kuznetsov wrote:
> Hi Nick,
> 
> On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 11:52 PM, Nick Douma  > wrote:
> 
> If your server is anything like mine, your RAID card should abstract
> the RAID array, and present it as a single disk. I have this on a Dell
> server with 3 discs in RAID5.
> 
> 
>> Yes, that's right. But I can only see this when I go to RAID controller
>> utility(there is PERC 6i installed) pressing CTRL+S on initial boot of
>> the server.
> 
> 
> Did you by any chance install GRUB into the partition header instead
> of the MBR? That would explain not being able to boot into Debian.
> 
> 
>> Yes, I did installed GRUB during the installation process; installer
>> never asked me where I want to install it so I just assume it installed
>> it into the partition.
>> How can I change the location of GRUB now?
> 
>> Thanks a lot,
>> yuriy

The default action in de debian setup (in Lenny anyways) is installing
it to the MBR. Near the end of the setup it will try to detect any
already present OS's, and it will ask if the list is correct. On the
same screen it asks if you want to install GRUB to the MBR. I will
assume you answered No here.

You basically have two options:

* Rerun the setup, and choose to install to the MBR (easiest).

* Make a GRUB bootfloppy/usb stick. You can then manually run something
along the lines of

- - root (hd0,0)
- - setup hd(0)

This assumes that you have the grub /boot folder on the first partition
of the first disk. The second statement installs GRUB into the MBR of disk0.
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Re: Debian can not boot from RAID-1

[Yuriy Kuznetsov]

Hi Justin

On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 2:41 AM, Justin The Cynical  wrote:

> Yuriy Kuznetsov wrote:
>
>  In short:
>> Dell Power Edge 2970; 6X3" HDDs: 2-RAID1, 4-RAID5
>>
>
> Etch on a 2950 at work.


Sounds pretty close so it's promising ;-)


>
>
>  Installed latest Debian on RAID1, which is VD-00. Installation went
>> through
>> without any issue.
>>
>> After installation system can not boot. Checked BIOS and there are only 3
>> options to boot from: CD-ROM, NIC, Drive C(I'm not sure where drive C came
>> from???).
>>
>
> The "C" drive is from Dell (part of the OS/diagnostic stuff they include).
>  You should be able to delete that if you like as, IIRC, the tools are
> available via a bootable CD that is included with the machine.  I believe
> the ISO is also available for download,


I'm fine to leave this as long as it won't course any issue with booting.

>
>
>
>  In the RAID configuration utility VD-00(2 HDD in RAID1)is set as boot
>> device
>> but it's still can not see the boot sector.
>>
>> Is it something wrong with the system or did I need to set some settings
>> on
>> software level?
>>
>
>
> PERC card, yes?
>
Yes, you are right. There is PERC 6/i installed.


>
> Check that the megaraid_sas driver is loading.  When I installed Etch, I
> had to rebuild the initrd with that module after the initial install.
>

Could advice on how I can check this please? I reckon that this is my
problem as when system is trying to boot - it looks like it's not even reach
as far as HDDs at all.


> Also, do you have a DRAC in that box?  If so, check the /dev/sd* list in
> the fstab and menu.lst files.  The DRAC has a 'virtual drive' that is
> presented to the kernel as a USB device and in my case, was enumerated
> before the RAID card, throwing off the drive list (/dev/sda* became
> /dev/sdb* or some such thing)


Is it about Remote Access Configuration? Yes, it's present on the system
alright.
In my case /dev/sda is RAID1 and /dev/sdb is RAID5


> .
>
> PE2950
> PERC RAID card
> one RAID 1 (/dev/sda)
> one RAID 10 (/dev/sdb)
>
>
> ~$ mount
>
> /dev/sda3 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
> tmpfs on /lib/init/rw type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,mode=0755)
> proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
> sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
> procbususb on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
> udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755)
> tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev)
> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,noexec,nosuid,gid=5,mode=620)
> /dev/sdb1 on /mnt/vm_storage type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
>
>
> ~$ fdisk /dev/sda -l
>
> Disk /dev/sda: 72.7 GB, 72746008576 bytes
> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 8844 cylinders
> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
>
>   Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
> /dev/sda1   1  28  224878+  de  Dell Utility
> /dev/sda2  29 290 2104515c  W95 FAT32 (LBA)
> /dev/sda3   * 291849065866500   83  Linux
> /dev/sda484918844 28435055  Extended
> /dev/sda584918844 2843473+  82  Linux swap /
>
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VirtualBox or VMware?

[Ken Heard]

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Which package provides /etc/init.d/inetd ?

[Mathieu Malaterre]

Hi,

  I am reading:

http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch04s05.html

  And it says:

On Debian GNU/Linux, you can run update-inetd --enable bootps, then
/etc/init.d/inetd reload to do so.

Which package provides  /etc/init.d/inetd ? I am on a debian stable system.

 $ cat /etc/debian_version
5.0.3


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Ref:
$ apt-cache policy bootp
bootp:
  Installed: 2.4.3-17
  Candidate: 2.4.3-17
  Version table:
 2.4.3-18 0
200 http://ftp.fr.debian.org testing/main Packages
100 http://ftp.fr.debian.org unstable/main Packages
 *** 2.4.3-17 0
500 http://ftp.fr.debian.org lenny/main Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status


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Re: Squeeze Release ?

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Brent Clark wrote:

> Does anyone know if Squeeze is going be Frozen in December or know of
> anything for that matter.

No announcement of a freeze yet, but read the following:

- -
The Debian Project http://www.debian.org/
Debian adopts time-based release freezes pr...@debian.org
July 29th, 2009  http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090729
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Debian decides to adopt time-based release freezes

The Debian project has decided to adopt a new policy of time-based
development freezes for future releases, on a two-year cycle. Freezes
will from now on happen in the December of every odd year, which means
that releases will from now on happen sometime in the first half of every
even year.  To that effect the next freeze will happen in December 2009,
with a release expected in spring 2010. The project chose December as a
suitable freeze date since spring releases proved successful for the
releases of Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 (codenamed "Etch") and Debian GNU/Linux
5.0 ("Lenny").

Time-based freezes will allow the Debian Project to blend the
predictability of time based releases with its well established policy of
feature based releases. The new freeze policy will provide better
predictability of releases for users of the Debian distribution, and also
allow Debian developers to do better long-term planning.  A two-year
release cycle will give more time for disruptive changes, reducing
inconveniences caused for users. Having predictable freezes should also
reduce overall freeze time.

Since Debian's last release happened on Feb. 14th 2009, there will only
be approximately a one year period until its next release, Debian
GNU/Linux 6.0 (codenamed "Squeeze").  This will be a one-time exception
to the two-year policy in order to get into the new time schedule. To
accommodate the needs of larger organizations and other users with a long
upgrade process, the Debian project commits to provide the possibility to
skip the upcoming release and do a skip-upgrade straight from Debian
GNU/Linux 5.0 ("Lenny") to Debian GNU/Linux 7.0 (not yet codenamed).

Although the next freeze is only a short time away, the Debian project
hopes to achieve several prominent goals with it. The most important are
multi-arch support, which will improve the installation of 32 bit
packages on 64 bit machines, and an optimized boot process for better
boot performance and reliability.

The new freeze policy was proposed and agreed during the Debian Project's
yearly conference, DebConf, which is currently taking place in Caceres,
Spain. The idea was well received among the attending project members.
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Re: X fails after upgrade

[Wayne]

Tony van der Hoff wrote:

Hi,

Running testing on my laptop, which I haven't upgraded for a while.
Today I set a massive upgrade in motion, which eventually completed.

Rebooting, I now find that X won't start; the Xorg.0.log contains error
messages to the effect that "freetype" and "ati" modules are missing.
Then "No drivers available", Fatal server error: no screens found.

Can anyone suggest where to go from here, please?




Have you tried installing some ttf fonts and looking for a suitable ati 
package for whichever ati video card you have?


The xserver-xorg-video-ati package comes to mind.

WT



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Re: Debian can not boot from RAID-1

[Yuriy Kuznetsov]

Hi Justin,

On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 12:38 AM, Justin Piszcz wrote:

>
> You can also boot a Linux Live CD (or system rescue CD) or knoppix and
> fdisk -l - make sure you have a bootable partition and its the same one on
> each of the raid-1 disk members.
>
> Justin.
>

Now when I go with rescue CD and do fdisk -l it's showing me RAIDs like a
single drive, ie /dev/sda for RAID1 and /dev/sdb for RAID5.
This is my first time experience with RAID but my impression is that as soon
as you gathered disks under RAIDs they would show up as single units in
/dev.

Correct me if I'm wrong, please.

X fails after upgrade

[Tony van der Hoff]

Hi,

Running testing on my laptop, which I haven't upgraded for a while. 
Today I set a massive upgrade in motion, which eventually completed.


Rebooting, I now find that X won't start; the Xorg.0.log contains error 
messages to the effect that "freetype" and "ati" modules are missing. 
Then "No drivers available", Fatal server error: no screens found.


Can anyone suggest where to go from here, please?

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Re: Debian can not boot from RAID-1

[Yuriy Kuznetsov]

Hi Nick,

On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 11:52 PM, Nick Douma  wrote:

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>
> If your server is anything like mine, your RAID card should abstract
> the RAID array, and present it as a single disk. I have this on a Dell
> server with 3 discs in RAID5.
>

Yes, that's right. But I can only see this when I go to RAID controller
utility(there is PERC 6i installed) pressing CTRL+S on initial boot of the
server.

>
> Did you by any chance install GRUB into the partition header instead
> of the MBR? That would explain not being able to boot into Debian.
>

Yes, I did installed GRUB during the installation process; installer never
asked me where I want to install it so I just assume it installed it into
the partition.
How can I change the location of GRUB now?

Thanks a lot,
yuriy

>
>
> Yuriy Kuznetsov wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > In short: Dell Power Edge 2970; 6X3" HDDs: 2-RAID1, 4-RAID5
> >
> > Installed latest Debian on RAID1, which is VD-00. Installation went
> >  through without any issue.
> >
> > After installation system can not boot. Checked BIOS and there are
> > only 3 options to boot from: CD-ROM, NIC, Drive C(I'm not sure
> > where drive C came from???). In the RAID configuration utility
> > VD-00(2 HDD in RAID1)is set as boot device but it's still can not
> > see the boot sector.
> >
> > Is it something wrong with the system or did I need to set some
> > settings on software level?
> >
> > Any help would be much appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks a lot in advance.
> >
> > Kind regards, yuriy
>
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Re: Installing Debian using USB Key

[Mathieu Malaterre]

On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Mathieu Malaterre
 wrote:
>> Installing a new mbr should not be necessary, but if you do unmout your
>> stick before doing it.
>>
>>> sudo install-mbr /dev/sdX
>
> Ok let me try again without this.

That's even worse. When I reboost. Hit F12, select USB devices
(instead the hard drive number), then nothing is happening...

I'll give testing a try...

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Re: Installing Debian using USB Key

[Mathieu Malaterre]

On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Florian Kriener  wrote:
> On Friday 27 November 2009 18:31:18 Mathieu Malaterre wrote:
>> wget
>> http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/amd64/daily/hd-media/boot.img.gz
>>  zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdX
>
> Did you unmount your USB stick first and did you substitute sdX with the
> right device file? If not zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdX just creates the
> file sdX and copies the unpacked boot.img.gz to it.
>
> You can find out which device you are using by calling mount from
> command line and without any arguments after mounting your usb stick
> like always. You should see something like
>
> /dev/sdf1 on /media/KINGSTON type ext3
>
> where /dev/sdf would be the device of your usb stick.
>
> It is important to unmount your usb stick before writing to it via the
> device file directly, else your data will get corrupted.
>
> Then you will have to mount your stick again, then copy your netinst.iso
> to it. Note that your stick might no longer be called KINGSTON now.

I think I got it right:

 $ find /media/Debian\ Inst
/media/Debian Inst
/media/Debian Inst/ldlinux.sys
/media/Debian Inst/linux
/media/Debian Inst/initrd.gz
/media/Debian Inst/initrdg.gz
/media/Debian Inst/disk.lbl
/media/Debian Inst/adgtk.cfg
/media/Debian Inst/adtxt.cfg
/media/Debian Inst/exithelp.cfg
/media/Debian Inst/gtk.cfg
/media/Debian Inst/menu.cfg
/media/Debian Inst/prompt.cfg
/media/Debian Inst/stdmenu.cfg
/media/Debian Inst/syslinux.cfg
/media/Debian Inst/txt.cfg
/media/Debian Inst/f1.txt
/media/Debian Inst/f10.txt
/media/Debian Inst/f2.txt
/media/Debian Inst/f3.txt
/media/Debian Inst/f4.txt
/media/Debian Inst/f5.txt
/media/Debian Inst/f6.txt
/media/Debian Inst/f7.txt
/media/Debian Inst/f8.txt
/media/Debian Inst/f9.txt
/media/Debian Inst/vesamenu.c32
/media/Debian Inst/splash.png
/media/Debian Inst/setup.exe
/media/Debian Inst/g2ldr
/media/Debian Inst/g2ldr.mbr
/media/Debian Inst/win32-loader.ini
/media/Debian Inst/debian-503-amd64-netinst.iso


>> wget
>>  http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/amd64/iso-cd/debian-503-am
>> d64-netinst.iso
>> cp debian-503-amd64-netinst.iso /media/KINGSTON
>
> Installing a new mbr should not be necessary, but if you do unmout your
> stick before doing it.
>
>> sudo install-mbr /dev/sdX

Ok let me try again without this.

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Re: Installing Debian using USB Key

[Florian Kriener]

On Friday 27 November 2009 18:31:18 Mathieu Malaterre wrote:
> wget 
> http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/amd64/daily/hd-media/boot.img.gz
>  zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdX

Did you unmount your USB stick first and did you substitute sdX with the 
right device file? If not zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdX just creates the 
file sdX and copies the unpacked boot.img.gz to it.

You can find out which device you are using by calling mount from 
command line and without any arguments after mounting your usb stick 
like always. You should see something like 

/dev/sdf1 on /media/KINGSTON type ext3

where /dev/sdf would be the device of your usb stick.

It is important to unmount your usb stick before writing to it via the 
device file directly, else your data will get corrupted.

Then you will have to mount your stick again, then copy your netinst.iso 
to it. Note that your stick might no longer be called KINGSTON now.

> wget
>  http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/amd64/iso-cd/debian-503-am
> d64-netinst.iso
> cp debian-503-amd64-netinst.iso /media/KINGSTON

Installing a new mbr should not be necessary, but if you do unmout your 
stick before doing it.

> sudo install-mbr /dev/sdX

HIH,
Flo.


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X fails after upgrade

[Tony van der Hoff]

Hi,

Running testing on my laptop, which I haven't upgraded for a while.
Today I set a massive upgrade in motion, which eventually completed.

Rebooting, I now find that X won't start; the Xorg.0.log contains error
messages to the effect that "freetype" and "ati" modules are missing.
Then "No drivers available", Fatal server error: no screens found.

Can anyone suggest where to go from here, please?


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Re: Opening tabs in Iceape from KMail

[Camaleón]

On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 13:01:09 +, AG wrote:

> KMail is set up to load links in the Iceape browser, where each link is
> opened in a new tab within the same window.  However, since the latest
> update, new links keep opening new windows not new tabs.  I have
> selected the option in Iceape to ensure this happens, but to no effect.
> The option checked in Iceape is Edit/ Preferences/ Browser/ Tabbed
> Browsing/ Links from other applications => "A new tab in the current
> window", but this doesn't seem to influence the actual behaviour.
> 
> Is there something I am missing?

Test it with another user in the system so Iceape starts with a fresh-new 
profile (or just _rename_ the current iceape profile so the browser 
starts with an empty one).

Usually, after updating the browser, settings are messed up and they are 
not correctly applied.

Just a "wild guess" :-)

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Installing Debian using USB Key

[Mathieu Malaterre]

Hi there,

  I am trying to setup a machine without a CD drive. So I thought the
simpliest would be the USB solution:

http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch04s03.html

  I followed the steps and did:

wget http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/amd64/daily/hd-media/boot.img.gz
zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdX
wget 
http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/amd64/iso-cd/debian-503-amd64-netinst.iso
cp debian-503-amd64-netinst.iso /media/KINGSTON
sudo install-mbr /dev/sdX

When I start the other computer with the USB key in, it display "MBR
1234FA:" and then just stops...

Is there a way to debug or see what is going on ?

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Re: FreeNet and Java

[Camaleón]

On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 15:33:35 +, AG wrote:

> Camaleón wrote:

>> Can you run FreeNet from Iceape?
>>
>>
>>  
> No - not from:
> 
> Iceape
> Midori
> Epiphany
> Opera
> Iceweasel


And you get the same message from all of them? :-?


>>> This creates a further query: will this conflict with my sun-java6-*
>>> installation if I installed it?
>>> 
>>> 
>> Yes.
>>   
>>   
> I suspected as much.


The point here is to determine if you already have the Java JRE installed 
and the output of "update-alternatives --config" you said before 
indicated that is currently installed.


>> You have to test it with Midori, the browser you are going to use to
>> launch Freenet.
>>   
>>   
> I accept that.  I was only suggesting that the response from Iceape
> provided a clue.


Yes. Two questions about this:

1/ What about the "about:plugins" in Iceape? Can you see the Sun's java 
JRE there?

2/ Can you run any java applet from Iceape? Go here and copy/paste the 
results:

http://www.javatester.org/version.html


>> BTW, what are the results of the java test page runned from Midori?
>>   
>>   
> The dotted circle on the test page remains for over 60 seconds and then
> defaults to the page that makes recommendations, seemingly not
> recognising any of my java jre installation.


Are you sure Midori browser can work with java? As per this forum thread, 
it seems having no support :-?

http://forum.xfce.org/index.php?topic=5190.0

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Re: How to change sound volume in gnome-shell?

[Alan Ianson]

On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 14:33 +0800, Mr. Wang Long wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 14:19, Mr. Wang Long  wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 11:18, Alan Ianson  wrote:
> >> My gnome 2.28 testing/unstable has a sound icon in the tray as always.
> >> Is that what you mean?
> > I also have an icon in the top-right corner in gnome 2.28, but it is
> > actually an applet. For example I can right click on it, then uncheck
> > "lock on pannel", then move it around. However applets won't run in
> > gnome-shell.
> >
> > By the way, I didn't install pulse audio, did you? Maybe the icon you
> > saw is provided by pulse audio?
> Yes! After installed pulseaudio and reboot, I got what I want. So
> pulseaudio is the right choice for gnome-shell.

I thought of that after I posted that reply, glad you got it going.
Gnome doesn't seem to install a sound server by default anymore so you
need to choose one.



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Re: FreeNet and Java

[AG]

Camaleón wrote:

On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 14:53:07 +, AG wrote:

  

Camaleón wrote:



  

I ran a quick check using update-alternatives --config java it showed
that I was already running sun-java6 and that this option was already
checked.  Can anyone help me to understand why this may be the case? 
I used Midori as the browser dedicated to use FreeNet, and Midori does

not have an option to do about:config as a Mozilla-based browser does,
so I cannot check directly (at least, not as far as I know).




It seems your browser (Midori) is not recognizing the Java JRE
properly, so try to go to java test page [1] with Midori and see what
Java version is detecting.

Also, be sure that the browser supports the java plugin.

[1] http://www.java.com/es/download/installed.jsp
  


  

Thanks Camaleón

I went to the site and ran Midori, Epiphany and Iceape against it.
Iceape indicated that I needed to download and install a missing library
file jre-6u17-linux-i586.bin from
http://javadl.sun.com/webapps/download/AutoDL?BundleId=35675



No need to do that.

The "java test page" just tells you 2 things:

- If your browser detects "any" java plugin installed
- If the detected java plugin is the latest version available

In your case, I guess it is detecting the java plugin but just "warns" 
you about the version you have installed. If that is case, ignore that 
warning and do not download nor install anything from there.


Can you run FreeNet from Iceape?

 
  

No - not from:

   Iceape
   Midori
   Epiphany
   Opera
   Iceweasel


This creates a further query: will this conflict with my sun-java6-*
installation if I installed it?



Yes.
  


I suspected as much.

 
  

But, if the response from Iceape is anything to go by, then the right
Java component is not installed.



You have to test it with Midori, the browser you are going to use to 
launch Freenet.
  


I accept that.  I was only suggesting that the response from Iceape 
provided a clue.



BTW, what are the results of the java test page runned from Midori?
  


The dotted circle on the test page remains for over 60 seconds and then 
defaults to the page that makes recommendations, seemingly not 
recognising any of my java jre installation.


Thanks

Re: willing to learn php basics

[Cassiano Leal]

2009/11/25 Bernard :
> Hi to Everyone !
>
> How can I learn how to make first steps in PHP ?
>
> I run Debian Lenny, and I lately got acquainted with MySQL : I installed a
> server on my system, built a few databases there, using basic SQL scripts. I
> also learnt to manage those MySQL databases with OpenOffice.org_base.
>
> Now, I wish to try managing those MySQL bases from a web page that would
> contain PHP scripts. I have found a short document, a kind of a FAQ, that
> explains a few PHP basics, still I miss some down-to-Earth knowledges :
>
> Have I got to install one or more Debian packages for PHP ?  '$apt-cache
> search PHP' gives too many results for a choice. If the MySQL server and
> databases end up to the webspace that my Internet Provider allows to me, I
> suppose that the PHP interpreter and/or compiler will have to be there, not
> on my system ?   Still, I suppose that I must install something locally so
> as to be able to send meaningfull commands using appropriate scripts ?
>  Prior to run tests on distant web space, I first wish to carry trials with
> connexions to my local mysql server.
>
> Thanks in advance for your help

What I do when I need to run php on top of apache is to install
libapache2-mod-php5. It will pull everything you need to have a basic
apache2+php5 setup running.

Then, you can install whatever php modules that you need. THey are
usually called php5-.

You configure apache2 by editing the files under /etc/apache2 and php
by editing /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini and the files under
/etc/pgp5/apache2/conf.d .

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Re: FreeNet and Java

[Camaleón]

On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 14:53:07 +, AG wrote:

> Camaleón wrote:

>>> I ran a quick check using update-alternatives --config java it showed
>>> that I was already running sun-java6 and that this option was already
>>> checked.  Can anyone help me to understand why this may be the case? 
>>> I used Midori as the browser dedicated to use FreeNet, and Midori does
>>> not have an option to do about:config as a Mozilla-based browser does,
>>> so I cannot check directly (at least, not as far as I know).
>>> 
>>> 
>> It seems your browser (Midori) is not recognizing the Java JRE
>> properly, so try to go to java test page [1] with Midori and see what
>> Java version is detecting.
>>
>> Also, be sure that the browser supports the java plugin.
>>
>> [1] http://www.java.com/es/download/installed.jsp

> Thanks Camaleón
> 
> I went to the site and ran Midori, Epiphany and Iceape against it.
> Iceape indicated that I needed to download and install a missing library
> file jre-6u17-linux-i586.bin from
> http://javadl.sun.com/webapps/download/AutoDL?BundleId=35675

No need to do that.

The "java test page" just tells you 2 things:

- If your browser detects "any" java plugin installed
- If the detected java plugin is the latest version available

In your case, I guess it is detecting the java plugin but just "warns" 
you about the version you have installed. If that is case, ignore that 
warning and do not download nor install anything from there.

Can you run FreeNet from Iceape?

 
> This creates a further query: will this conflict with my sun-java6-*
> installation if I installed it?

Yes.
 
> But, if the response from Iceape is anything to go by, then the right
> Java component is not installed.

You have to test it with Midori, the browser you are going to use to 
launch Freenet.

BTW, what are the results of the java test page runned from Midori?

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Re: FreeNet and Java

[AG]

Camaleón wrote:

On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 12:18:19 +, AG wrote:

  

I recently opted to give FreeNet a spin, downloaded the installer and
all seemed to go fine.  However, when I fired up the web browser and
configured it to use FreeNet, it complained that I need to upgarde to
Java 5 or 6 and that until doing so, FreeNet would - effectively - not
work.

I ran a quick check using update-alternatives --config java it showed
that I was already running sun-java6 and that this option was already
checked.  Can anyone help me to understand why this may be the case?  I
used Midori as the browser dedicated to use FreeNet, and Midori does not
have an option to do about:config as a Mozilla-based browser does, so I
cannot check directly (at least, not as far as I know).



It seems your browser (Midori) is not recognizing the Java JRE properly, 
so try to go to java test page [1] with Midori and see what Java version 
is detecting.


Also, be sure that the browser supports the java plugin.

[1] http://www.java.com/es/download/installed.jsp

Greetings,

  


Thanks Camaleón

I went to the site and ran Midori, Epiphany and Iceape against it.  
Iceape indicated that I needed to download and install a missing library 
file jre-6u17-linux-i586.bin from 
http://javadl.sun.com/webapps/download/AutoDL?BundleId=35675


This creates a further query: will this conflict with my sun-java6-* 
installation if I installed it?


But, if the response from Iceape is anything to go by, then the right 
Java component is not installed.


AG

Re: FreeNet and Java

[Camaleón]

On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 12:18:19 +, AG wrote:

> I recently opted to give FreeNet a spin, downloaded the installer and
> all seemed to go fine.  However, when I fired up the web browser and
> configured it to use FreeNet, it complained that I need to upgarde to
> Java 5 or 6 and that until doing so, FreeNet would - effectively - not
> work.
> 
> I ran a quick check using update-alternatives --config java it showed
> that I was already running sun-java6 and that this option was already
> checked.  Can anyone help me to understand why this may be the case?  I
> used Midori as the browser dedicated to use FreeNet, and Midori does not
> have an option to do about:config as a Mozilla-based browser does, so I
> cannot check directly (at least, not as far as I know).

It seems your browser (Midori) is not recognizing the Java JRE properly, 
so try to go to java test page [1] with Midori and see what Java version 
is detecting.

Also, be sure that the browser supports the java plugin.

[1] http://www.java.com/es/download/installed.jsp

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Opening tabs in Iceape from KMail

[AG]

KMail is set up to load links in the Iceape browser, where each link is 
opened in a new tab within the same window.  However, since the latest 
update, new links keep opening new windows not new tabs.  I have 
selected the option in Iceape to ensure this happens, but to no effect.  
The option checked in Iceape is Edit/ Preferences/ Browser/ Tabbed 
Browsing/ Links from other applications => "A new tab in the current 
window", but this doesn't seem to influence the actual behaviour.


Is there something I am missing?

Thanks

AG


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Re: Squeeze Release ?

[Javier Barroso]

On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Avi Greenbury
 wrote:
> Rakotomandimby Mihamina wrote:
>
>> 11/27/2009 12:24 PM, Brent Clark:
>> > Does anyone know if Squeeze is going be Frozen in December or know
>> > of anything for that matter.
>>
>> Are you a newcomer? :-)
>> A Debian release is ready when it's ready. Not before.
>>
>
> Not according to the last debconf:
> http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090729
There are different things :)

Debian will release when it's ready ... this new only tell about freezing ...

freezing != releasing

Regards

Debian Rocks!


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FreeNet and Java

[AG]

I recently opted to give FreeNet a spin, downloaded the installer and 
all seemed to go fine.  However, when I fired up the web browser and 
configured it to use FreeNet, it complained that I need to upgarde to 
Java 5 or 6 and that until doing so, FreeNet would - effectively - not work.


I ran a quick check using update-alternatives --config java it showed 
that I was already running sun-java6 and that this option was already 
checked.  Can anyone help me to understand why this may be the case?  I 
used Midori as the browser dedicated to use FreeNet, and Midori does not 
have an option to do about:config as a Mozilla-based browser does, so I 
cannot check directly (at least, not as far as I know).


Thanks for any help.

AG


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Lenny, Xen, Kernel 2.6.26 and Broadcom NetXtreme II BCM5716 drivers?

[Michael Zoet]

Hi to all,

I'm trying to setup a Dell PowerEdge R410 Server with Debian Lenny and
Xen. The R410 has two build in Broadcom NetXtreme II BCM5716 nics, that
are not supported by kernel 2.6.26. I can install the 2.6.30 kernel from
backports and get these nics up and running. The problem here is, that
there is no Xen aware kernel in the lenny backports. Or at least I have
not found one.

Can someone tell me how to get a Lenny system with Xen support and
Broadcom NetXtreme II BCM5716 nic support? Or do I have to recompile the
Lenny Linux kernel 2.6.26 with Broadcom support?

Thx for any help!

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3 button mouse emulation unreliable in Lenny

[Chris Austin]

I have been using KDE in Debian 5 Lenny since its release around Easter this 
year.  Mostly it is brilliant, my thanks to all the developers.  But there has 
been a persistent problem of unreliability of the 3 button mouse emulation, 
that was not present in my old Woody system.  This shows up worst in KEdit and 
Konsole, when trying to paste in by simultaneously clicking both mouse buttons. 
 Often, and unpredictably, an unwanted right-click menu appears, instead of the 
wanted paste.  And even worse, one of the menu items is often unintentionally 
activated, with nuisance effects.

To try to work around this problem, I decided to increase the time threshold 
for the simultaneous 2 button click.  Looking on x.org for guidance on how to 
do this, I found that it can be done by adding a single line to 
/etc/X11/xorg.conf.  Specifically, as set up automatically, there is a section 
in this file that reads:

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Configured Mouse"
Driver  "mouse"
EndSection

I have now altered this section by adding an extra line, so that it now reads:

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Configured Mouse"
Driver  "mouse"
Option "Emulate3Timeout""1"
EndSection

The 1 is the threshold for the simultaneous 2 button click, in 
milliseconds, so that the threshold is now 10 seconds.  The default was 50 
milliseconds.  I experimented with various increased thresholds, and found that 
it is least stressful with this large threshold.  What happens now is that if I 
click the right mouse button and release it, the right-click menu instantly 
appears.  But if I press the right mouse button and hold it, the right-click 
menu does not appear until a ten second delay has passed.  However, perhaps due 
to a slight electrical glitch or failure of de-bouncing, the right-click menu 
_sometimes_ still appears unwanted immediately, when I press and hold the right 
mouse button, just as if I had released it.  But because I am no longer under 
any pressure to press the left mouse button immediately, I can now wait to see 
that this does not happen, before clicking the left mouse button.  Then the 
wanted paste appears when I release the right mouse button.  So the whole 
process is more relaxed and calm, and less stressful.

It seems that the right-click menu now activates an item if you accidentally 
release the right mouse button while the pointer is over that menu item, even 
if you never touch the left mouse button, and this can still lead to nuisance 
unwanted activation of menu items, if one is not careful.  There is also a 
tendency to release the right mouse button accidentally while clicking the left 
mouse button, if one is not careful.  But at least one can be more relaxed and 
calm about it, now that one is not trying to click both mouse buttons exactly 
simultaneously.

You have to reboot the computer for the new option to take effect.

Incidentally, the /etc/X11/xorg.conf set up by Debian does not show the 
available options.  However I found a listing of a similar file that did show 
the available options, commented out, by searching for change Emulate3Timeout 
on http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/.  I learned that Emulate3Timeout 
was the relevant option, by looking at the log file at /var/log/Xorg.0.log.

Best regards,
Chris Austin


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Re: up to date l7 source package

[Rakotomandimby Mihamina]

11/27/2009 01:55 PM, Rakotomandimby Mihamina:

I am looking for the most know up to date l7 source package.
I found this one:
https://launchpad.net/~kuscsik/+archive/ppa?field.series_filter=hardy
(2008/7), would you know any more recent one?


http://packages.debian.org/sid/l7-filter-userspace
http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/l7-filter-userspace

Sorry.

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up to date l7 source package

[Rakotomandimby Mihamina]

Hello,
I am looking for the most know up to date l7 source package.
I found this one:
https://launchpad.net/~kuscsik/+archive/ppa?field.series_filter=hardy
(2008/7), would you know any more recent one?

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Re: clive doesn't extract youtube file

[Rodolfo Medina]

Howard Eisenberger  writes:

> On 2009-11-24, Rodolfo Medina  wrote:
>
>> I installed clive in my Lenny partition with: `aptitude install clive', but
>> it seems that it does not manage to download the video I installed it for:
>>
>> $ clive http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucOVqmhXa-o
>> clive 0.4.18 20080715  [Linux]
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucOVqmhXa-o&fmt=18 101.8KB
>> error: extraction url (&video_id) not found
>>=> 0 (0.0B), failed: 1, skipped: 0.
>> error: nothing to extract.
>
> It may not be a clive problem.
>
> If I go to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucOVqmhXa-o in my browser
> Youtube says, "This video has been removed by the user. "


Yes, now it's been removed, but even when it was there, clive didn't manage to
extract it.

Rodolfo


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Re: Squeeze Release ?

[Nick Douma]

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On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 11:24:32AM +0200, Brent Clark wrote:
> Hiya
>
> So November is coming to an end, and we have seen the release of Ubuntu  
> Karmic, Fedora 12, Mandriva etc, and today ... FreeBSD 8.
>
> Does anyone know if Squeeze is going be Frozen in December or know of  
> anything for that matter.
>
> Kind Regards
> Brent Clark
>

According to http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze the development freeze will 
begin in March 2010.
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Re: Squeeze Release ?

[Avi Greenbury]

Rakotomandimby Mihamina wrote:

> 11/27/2009 12:24 PM, Brent Clark:
> > Does anyone know if Squeeze is going be Frozen in December or know
> > of anything for that matter.
> 
> Are you a newcomer? :-)
> A Debian release is ready when it's ready. Not before.
> 

Not according to the last debconf:
http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090729

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Re: Squeeze Release ?

[Mark Allums]

Brent Clark wrote:

Hiya

So November is coming to an end, and we have seen the release of Ubuntu 
Karmic, Fedora 12, Mandriva etc, and today ... FreeBSD 8.


Does anyone know if Squeeze is going be Frozen in December or know of 
anything for that matter.


Kind Regards
Brent Clark





I have no real business answering this, but if I had to guess, I would 
say not.  However, a lot is starting to come together (such as Gnome 
2.28 and the like), so I would wait six months, and ask again.  I would 
add that some sort of Lenny-and-a-half is not out of the question at 
some point.


(Don't Include Ubuntu in your speculations, because they release every 
six months like clockwork, whether it's ready or not.)



Mark Allums



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Re: Squeeze Release ?

[Rakotomandimby Mihamina]

11/27/2009 12:24 PM, Brent Clark:

Does anyone know if Squeeze is going be Frozen in December or know of
anything for that matter.


Are you a newcomer? :-)
A Debian release is ready when it's ready. Not before.

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Squeeze Release ?

[Brent Clark]

Hiya

So November is coming to an end, and we have seen the release of Ubuntu 
Karmic, Fedora 12, Mandriva etc, and today ... FreeBSD 8.


Does anyone know if Squeeze is going be Frozen in December or know of 
anything for that matter.


Kind Regards
Brent Clark



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Re: Will rsync fix iso-file checksum failure?

[Nick Douma]

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> Dne, 26. 11. 2009 13:27:23 je Justin Piszcz napisal(a):
>
>> Yes its possible but you need the image OR someone who has the
>> image on another host to split it up and see which part is bad.
>>
>> 1. split the dvd into 1 mb chunks (or larger) (must be same split
>>  both sides) 2. md5sum each on both side, run a diff between the
>> md5sum output 3. replace the bad 1mb chunk 4. cat files back
>> together to make a fixed iso 5. re-run md5 check confirm its
>> fixed
>>
>> Justin.
>
> Seems like a lot of work. Maybe you'll be better off if you grab a
>  torrent file of the iso, start downloading the torrent, and then
> just stop the download. You then copy your old iso over the new one
> (i.e. you replace the new download with it), and upon restarting,
> your bittorrent client will re-check the iso and only download the
> missing/wrong chunks. This may even be possible with jigdo, but
> I've never used jigdo (yet), so can't say.

Jigdo will also work, because it does in fact break up de ISO in
blocks (packages) and will create checksums for all those parts. You
can point it to an existing ISO and it will read it and determine
which blocks are already present and/or need redownloading.
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Re: A Debian Lenny machine declined to work

[Jari Fredriksson]

On 23.11.2009 5:52, Jari Fredriksson wrote:
> 
> 
> On 23.11.2009 5:50, Jari Fredriksson wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 22.11.2009 23:34, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
>>> Jari Fredriksson put forth on 11/22/2009 3:27 PM:
>>>
 I believe it is a hardware problem. But still disk works, it loads
 scripts from /etc/init.d. At least /etc/init.d/arno-firewall as it
 printes the output to console.

 Strange.
>>>
>>> A corrupt filesystem can cause a hard lock on boot as well.  Please
>>> provide the last dozen lines or so on the screen.  That may help
>>> immensely in troubleshooting this problem.
>>>
>>
>> Thanks... But that is hard to provide, as I can't ssh into it. Had to
>> copy those info by hand from another monitor.
>>
>> I got my net working by switchin the modem to routing mode with NAT and
>> setting its IP to the address of the Linux router.
>>
>> Have to work on that machine later... I lost my firewall, as well as
>> amavisd-new (with ClamAV, F-Prot and BitDefender), they were working on
>> that machine, can can't setup those on any other machine (inefficient RAM..)
>>
> 
> I'll propably boot that machine with a Knoppix CD, and try to check the
> disks. And find logs..
> 

RESOLVED! :/

It booted fine from a Knoppix CD, and everything looked good. The
problem was my late editing of an init script, which went waiting input
from user (a typo). Pressing Ctrl-C continued and finally I found the
bug in the script.

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