Re: Filesystem recommendations

[Javier Barroso]

On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 3:24 AM, Rob Owens  wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 01:56:21PM +0200, Javier Barroso wrote:
>> Hello Stan,
>>
>> Why Debian Installer doesn't change its default filesystem to xfs if
>> it is better than ext3 / ext4? I think always is better stick to
>> defaults if it is possible
>>
> I've read articles which state that ext3 has superior resilience to
> sudden power loss.  That sentiment has been echoed in this thread, by
> Stan I think, with statements like (paraphrasing):  XFS is good for
> production servers which have uninterruptible power supplies.
Good to know, thanks

I will take a look!


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Re: getting inetd to run leafnode via IPv4

[Alexander Samad]

please also check here

/etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf

set
net.ipv6.bindv6only = 0

On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 6:09 AM, Monique Y. Mudama
 wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 28 at 12:57, Monique Y. Mudama penned:
>>
>> Apparently, the problem is that inetd has leafnode listening on
>> IPv6, but not on IPv4.  I think I need to either get slrn to work
>> with IPv6, or get leafnode listening on IPv4.  Actually I'd like to
>> know how to do both.  I'd very much appreciate any pointers you can
>> give me.
>
> After some fiddling, I've found the solution to run slrn on IPv6:
>
> export NNTPSERVER="[::]"
> OR
> slrn -h "[::]"
>
> ... but could anyone help me understand why inetd is running leafnode
> in IPv6 ?
>
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Re: How to trick my Debian in thinking that a package is not installed

[Daniel Burrows]

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 09:59:19AM -0600, "Monique Y. Mudama" 
 was heard to say:
> I use "hold" liberally to weather Sid storms.  There are two cases I
> see crop up: one, aptitude suggests removing packages without an
> obvious replacement.  Two, aptitude marks things as broken that have
> been working just fine.  In either case, I start slamming the "=" key
> until packages will no longer be removed, and nothing is marked
> broken.  This works 99.99% of the time.  At some later period when I
> suspect the storm has passed, I test the waters by unholding the
> packages and gauging aptitude's reaction.

  With aptitude 0.6.2+, I'd be curious to know whether you get the
answers you want (with less removals and less need to manually hold)
with this setting or something like it:

Aptitude::ProblemResolver::SolutionCost="2*removals + 
canceled-actions,safety,priority"

  (sorry about the long line)

  That will ask aptitude to minimize the number of removals and canceled
actions, but to weigh removals as being twice as bad as holding packages
back.

> If this is a misuse of "hold" and there's a better way, though, I'm
> all ears.  Rereading, it seems like "forbid-version" would be the
> right call for most of what I'm doing, assuming it does persist
> between aptitude sessions.

  Forbid-version is probably more appropriate, yes.

  Daniel


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Re: Ctrl+alt+Fn not showing consoles

[Justin The Cynical]

rudu wrote:

In single user mode, I can login on the first virtual console but every 
other ctrl+alt+Fn I hit only gives me a black screen with a prompt 
flashing in the upper left corner ...


IIRC, in single user mode, this is normal.


Launching a graphic session with startx instead of gdm/kdm doesn't 
change anything except that I don't even have any flashing prompt on my 
black screen anymore.



This is an old, old bug (IMO) in the binary nvidia module.  I've had 
this problem since getting Linux running on my old pentium m laptop with 
a 6000 go series chip.


For example:

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=131639

and possible fix (seems to be hit or miss):
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=120492


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HotSpot Server

[Sokvantha YOUK]

Dear All,

I am looking for hotspot server for Debian Lenny, could you please advice me
which software is good enough to manage my hotspot setup for 6 locations
access point?


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Re: installing Lenny packages in Squeeze

[Jimmy Johnson]

Rob Owens wrote:


I use a Debian-Live USB and I like to run Lenny because of the
infrequent updates.  But one of my laptops requires the Squeeze kernel
in order for wifi to work.  I've been told by the Debian-Live developer
that I cannot install alternate kernels on my live system (otherwise I'd
be able to use a kernel from backports.org).




What you need is Debian Backports 
www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions You will find your 
kernel upgrade there, plus you will need to add linux-firmware for the 
new kernel, both the kernel and firmware are in the backports.

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Re: Synaptic hangs when updating Debian testing

[Jimmy Johnson]

Edward C. Jones wrote:
I use Debian testing, i386 port, on a PC. Today (4/28/10), I tried to 
update my system using synaptic. After the files were downloaded, 
synaptic hung and had to be kill'ed. Synaptic left the message:


The gtk frontend needs a working python-gtk2 and python-glade2.
Those imports can not be found. Falling back to pager.
The error is: No module named glade
Reading changelogs... Done
openssh (1:5.4p1-2) unstable; urgency=low

 Smartcard support is now available using PKCS#11 tokens.  If you
 were previously using an unofficial build of Debian's OpenSSH   
 package with OpenSC-based smartcard support added, then note

 that commands like 'ssh-add -s 0' will no longer work; you need to use
 'ssh-add -s /usr/lib/opensc-pkcs11.so' instead.



What is the problem?




Don't know, run: apt-get -f install

And copy, paste the output here.
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Re: installing Lenny packages in Squeeze

[Rob Owens]

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 06:02:18PM -0800, Greg Madden wrote:
> On Wednesday 28 April 2010 05:35:29 pm Rob Owens wrote:
> > If I were to install a bare-bones Squeeze system, then add Lenny
> > repositories and declare Lenny to be the Default-Release in apt.conf,
> > can I expect to have many problems installing a full desktop environment
> > from the Lenny repos?  (Gnome, LXDE, or Fluxbox, most likely).
> >
> > Reason:
> >
> > I use a Debian-Live USB and I like to run Lenny because of the
> > infrequent updates.  But one of my laptops requires the Squeeze kernel
> > in order for wifi to work.  I've been told by the Debian-Live developer
> > that I cannot install alternate kernels on my live system (otherwise I'd
> > be able to use a kernel from backports.org).
> >
> > -Rob
> 
> Can you use one of these ?
> 
> http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/
> 
Thanks for the feedback.  Unfortunately, I don't think I can use those.
My understanding is that live-helper must build the kernel so that
certain modules necessary to the live system get included.  I confess
that I don't completely understand that answer, but it's what I was told
by the developer.

Keep in mind that I'm not trying to do a traditional install of Debian
onto a USB flash drive.  I'm trying to install a "live" system, which is
different because it is designed to be run on many different computers
(like a Knoppix CD, but it's a straight Debian system).

-Rob


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Re: Cannot stop XDM service

[Rob Owens]

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 08:27:57PM -0600, Tom Schlodder wrote:
> First of all, I am very new to Linux but am well aware of the need to
> learn.  After considerable googling with my issue, I gave up and thought I'd
> try a mailing list instead :)
> 
> In attempting to install the cvm package (apt-get install cvm), I recieve a
> warning indicating that the XDM service cannot be automatically
> stopped/started and that I should do so manually.
> 
> I then use rcconf to remove the little dot-selector-thingy beside XDM,
> which, as far as I understand, should stop the service immediately, but
> errors ensue in the rest of the installation and when I continue the
> installation again (apt-get -f install) I recieve the same warning that XDM
> is running and needs to be stopped manually.  Checking in rcconf, the
> service is already unselected.  Taking a hint from my background with MS
> Windows, I restarted the computer and tried the installation again; same
> warning and rcconf still shows the service as unselected.
> 
At the command line, you can start/stop service like this:

(as root):

/etc/init.d/someservice stop
/etc/init.d/someservice start

There is also the invoke-rc.d command, which works similarly, but I
don't use that so I'm not really qualified to recommend it.

Note that there are other parameters besides stop and start.  Two that
come to mind are "restart" and "reload".

Tab completion can be handy when stopping/starting services.  Type:

/etc/init.d/x   -- and then hit tab.  

You may have to hit tab twice.
Hitting tab will either complete the command that starts with "x", or if
multiple commands start with "x", hitting tab twice will show you a list
of those commands.  

Good luck in your quest for learning.

-Rob


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Cannot stop XDM service

[Tom Schlodder]

First of all, I am very new to Linux but am well aware of the need to
learn.  After considerable googling with my issue, I gave up and thought I'd
try a mailing list instead :)

In attempting to install the cvm package (apt-get install cvm), I recieve a
warning indicating that the XDM service cannot be automatically
stopped/started and that I should do so manually.

I then use rcconf to remove the little dot-selector-thingy beside XDM,
which, as far as I understand, should stop the service immediately, but
errors ensue in the rest of the installation and when I continue the
installation again (apt-get -f install) I recieve the same warning that XDM
is running and needs to be stopped manually.  Checking in rcconf, the
service is already unselected.  Taking a hint from my background with MS
Windows, I restarted the computer and tried the installation again; same
warning and rcconf still shows the service as unselected.

What am I not understanding here?  Thanks in advance!
Tom Schlodder - Calgary, Alberta, Canada

Re: installing Lenny packages in Squeeze

[Greg Madden]

On Wednesday 28 April 2010 05:35:29 pm Rob Owens wrote:
> If I were to install a bare-bones Squeeze system, then add Lenny
> repositories and declare Lenny to be the Default-Release in apt.conf,
> can I expect to have many problems installing a full desktop environment
> from the Lenny repos?  (Gnome, LXDE, or Fluxbox, most likely).
>
> Reason:
>
> I use a Debian-Live USB and I like to run Lenny because of the
> infrequent updates.  But one of my laptops requires the Squeeze kernel
> in order for wifi to work.  I've been told by the Debian-Live developer
> that I cannot install alternate kernels on my live system (otherwise I'd
> be able to use a kernel from backports.org).
>
> -Rob

Can you use one of these ?

http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/


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Re: Questions about RAID 6

[Mike Bird]

On Wed April 28 2010 18:51:18 Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> You seem to posses knowledge of these things that is 180 degrees opposite
> of fact.  OLTP, or online transaction processing, is typified by retail or
> web point of sale transactions or call logging by telcos.  OLTP databases
> are typically much more write than read heavy.  OLAP, or online analytical
> processing, is exclusively reads, made up entirely of search queries.
> Why/how would you think OLTP is mostly reads?

If all you're doing is appending to a log file then you're write-intensive.
For example, some INN servers using cycbuffs are write-intensive if they can
forward the articles out to the peers before they disappear from cache.

OLTP databases have indices (or hash tables or whatever) that need to be
read even when writing a new record.  Then of course, the data that has been
written needs to be used for something such as fulfillment and analysis.
Both are mostly reads.  Backup from the live DB is all reads.

I typically saw about 90% reads in OLTP databases.

I think this is getting off-topic for debian-user.

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Re: installing Lenny packages in Squeeze

[Greg Madden]

On Wednesday 28 April 2010 05:35:29 pm Rob Owens wrote:
> If I were to install a bare-bones Squeeze system, then add Lenny
> repositories and declare Lenny to be the Default-Release in apt.conf,
> can I expect to have many problems installing a full desktop environment
> from the Lenny repos?  (Gnome, LXDE, or Fluxbox, most likely).
>
> Reason:
>
> I use a Debian-Live USB and I like to run Lenny because of the
> infrequent updates.  But one of my laptops requires the Squeeze kernel
> in order for wifi to work.  I've been told by the Debian-Live developer
> that I cannot install alternate kernels on my live system (otherwise I'd
> be able to use a kernel from backports.org).
>
> -Rob

Can you use one of these ?

http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/

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Re: Questions about RAID 6

[Stan Hoeppner]

Mike Bird put forth on 4/28/2010 5:48 PM:
> On Wed April 28 2010 15:10:32 Stan Hoeppner wrote:
>> Mike Bird put forth on 4/28/2010 1:48 PM:
>>> I've designed commercial database managers and OLTP systems.
>>
>> Are you saying you've put production OLTP databases on N-way software RAID
>> 1 sets?
> 
> No.  I've used N-way RAID-1 for general servers - mail, web, samba, etc.
> 
> Nevertheless N-way RAID-1 would be a reasonable basis for a small OLTP
> database as the overwhelming majority of OLTP disk transfers are reads.

You seem to posses knowledge of these things that is 180 degrees opposite of
fact.  OLTP, or online transaction processing, is typified by retail or web
point of sale transactions or call logging by telcos.  OLTP databases are
typically much more write than read heavy.  OLAP, or online analytical
processing, is exclusively reads, made up entirely of search queries.
Why/how would you think OLTP is mostly reads?

> You had claimed that "on a loaded system, such as a transactional database
> server or busy ftp upload server, such a RAID setup will bring the system to
> its knees in short order as the CPU overhead for each 'real' disk I/O is now
> increased 4x and the physical I/O bandwidth is increased 4x".

> Your claim is irrelevant as neither CPU utilisation nor I/O bandwith are
> of concern in such systems.  They are seek-bound.

Yep, you're right.  That must be why one finds so many production OLTP, ftp
upload, mail, etc, servers running N-way software RAID 1.  Almost no one
does it, for exactly the reasons I've stated.  The overhead is too great and
RAID 10 gives almost the same level of fault tolerance with much better
performance.

>> Given the way most database engines do locking, you'll get zero additional
>> seek benefit on reads, and you'll take a 4x hit on writes. I don't know
>> how you could possibly argue otherwise.
> 
> Linux can overlap seeks on multiple spindles, as can most operating
> systems of the last fifty years.

Of course it can, and it even performs I/Os in parallel on multicore or smp
systems, in addition to overlapped I/O.  You're still missing the point that
you have to perform 4x the writes with the 4 disk RAID 1 setup, which
reduces write performance by a factor of 4 vs a single disk, and increases
write bandwidth by a factor of 4 for writes.

Thus, on a loaded multi-user server, compared to a single disk system,
you've actually decreased your overall write throughput compared to a single
disk.  In other words, if the single disk server can't handle the I/O load,
running a 4-way RAID 1 will make the situation worse.  Whereas running with
RAID 10 you should get almost double the write speed of a single disk due to
the striping, even though the total number of writes to disk is the same as
with RAID 1.

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installing Lenny packages in Squeeze

[Rob Owens]

If I were to install a bare-bones Squeeze system, then add Lenny
repositories and declare Lenny to be the Default-Release in apt.conf,
can I expect to have many problems installing a full desktop environment
from the Lenny repos?  (Gnome, LXDE, or Fluxbox, most likely).

Reason:

I use a Debian-Live USB and I like to run Lenny because of the
infrequent updates.  But one of my laptops requires the Squeeze kernel
in order for wifi to work.  I've been told by the Debian-Live developer
that I cannot install alternate kernels on my live system (otherwise I'd
be able to use a kernel from backports.org).

-Rob


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Re: Filesystem recommendations

[Rob Owens]

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 08:28:37AM -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> Javier Barroso put forth on 4/26/2010 6:56 AM:
> 
> > Hello Stan,
> > 
> > Why Debian Installer doesn't change its default filesystem to xfs if
> > it is better than ext3 / ext4? I think always is better stick to
> > defaults if it is possible
> > 
> > Thanks for your explications !
> 
> If one disk filesystem was better than all the others in all ways, then
> Linus would only allow one FS in the kernel tree.  As of 2.6.33 there are no
> less than 7 stable primary disk filesystems offered in the kernel.  Your
> question is a bit simplistic, and not really valid.  There is no single
> "perfect" filesystem.  IMO, for servers anyway, XFS is pretty close.
> 
> Newbies _should_ always stick to defaults.  Experts install with expert
> mode, and choose exactly what they want/need.
> 
> I didn't write the Debian installer so I can't tell you why EXT is the
> default.  I can only speculate.  Thankfully the installer offers us expert
> mode so we can do whatever we want.  In this regard, I guess the Debian team
> considers EXT the best choice for non-experts.
> 
If I'm right that EXT3 has superior resilience to power loss (see my
othe post in this thread) , then that
fact alone makes it a good choice for default filesystem.  Many/most
users don't run a UPS and sudden unexpected power loss is a real
possibility for them.

-Rob


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Re: Filesystem recommendations

[Rob Owens]

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 01:56:21PM +0200, Javier Barroso wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Stan Hoeppner  
> wrote:
> > Mark Allums put forth on 4/26/2010 3:22 AM:
> >> On 4/26/2010 2:14 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> >>> Mark Allums put forth on 4/25/2010 1:19 AM:
> >>
> >> Sorry Stan,  Your defense of XFS has put me into troll mode.  It's a
> >> reflex.  I don't buy it, but I shouldn't troll.
> >>
> >> I think you are confusing what is with what should be.
> >
> > A'ight, you forced me to pull out the big gun.  Choke on it.  The master
> > penguin himself, kernel.org, has run on XFS since 2008.  Sorry for the body
> > slam.  Is your back ok Mark? ;)  Pretty sure I just "won" this discussion.
> > Err, actually, XFS wins. ;)  BTW, the main Debian mirror in the U.S. is
> > actually housed in kernel.org last I checked.  Thus, the files on your
> > system were very likely originally served from XFS.
> >
> >  The Linux Kernel Archives
> >
> > "A bit more than a year ago (as of October 2008) kernel.org, in an ever
> > increasing need to squeeze more performance out of it's machines, made the
> > leap of migrating the primary mirror machines (mirrors.kernel.org) to XFS.
> > We site a number of reasons including fscking 5.5T of disk is long and
> > painful, we were hitting various cache issues, and we were seeking better
> > performance out of our file system."
> >
> > "After initial tests looked positive we made the jump, and have been quite
> > happy with the results. With an instant increase in performance and
> > throughput, as well as the worst xfs_check we've ever seen taking 10
> > minutes, we were quite happy. Subsequently we've moved all primary mirroring
> > file-systems to XFS, including www.kernel.org , and mirrors.kernel.org. With
> > an average constant movement of about 400mbps around the world, and with
> > peaks into the 3.1gbps range serving thousands of users simultaneously it's
> > been a file system that has taken the brunt we can throw at it and held up
> > spectacularly."
> >
> > http://www.xfs.org/index.php/XFS_Companies#The_Linux_Kernel_Archives
> Hello Stan,
> 
> Why Debian Installer doesn't change its default filesystem to xfs if
> it is better than ext3 / ext4? I think always is better stick to
> defaults if it is possible
> 
I've read articles which state that ext3 has superior resilience to
sudden power loss.  That sentiment has been echoed in this thread, by
Stan I think, with statements like (paraphrasing):  XFS is good for
production servers which have uninterruptible power supplies.

The resilience is due to the way the journal is written, if I
understand correctly.  Maybe somebody on this list who understands it
better can confirm or deny.  There is a journal_data_writeback option
for ext3 which will speed up writes to the filesystem, but reduce its
resilience to power loss.  With this option enabled, I recall reading
that the ext3 benchmarks are pretty similar to XFS.

I'm not an expert, so don't take my word for it.  Do some research on it
yourself, or wait for the real experts to chime in and correct me :)

-Rob


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Re: Where does update-initramfs get info?

[Steve]

On Tuesday 27 April 2010, Chris Davies wrote:
> Steve  wrote:
> > grep of /etc/initramfs-tools/... for hda, crypt or boot returns
> > nothing useful.  Where else should I look?
>
> /usr/share/initramfs-tools
>
> Chris


Thanks Chris!  I shouda looked harder.


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Re: Questions about RAID 6

[Mike Bird]

On Wed April 28 2010 15:10:32 Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> Mike Bird put forth on 4/28/2010 1:48 PM:
> > I've designed commercial database managers and OLTP systems.
>
> Are you saying you've put production OLTP databases on N-way software RAID
> 1 sets?

No.  I've used N-way RAID-1 for general servers - mail, web, samba, etc.

Nevertheless N-way RAID-1 would be a reasonable basis for a small OLTP
database as the overwhelming majority of OLTP disk transfers are reads.

> > If CPU usage had ever become a factor in anything I had designed
> > I would have been fired.  If they're not I/O bound they're useless.
>
> That's an odd point to make given that we're discussing N-way RAID 1.  By
> using N-way RAID 1, you're making the system I/O bound before you even
> create the db.

You had claimed that "on a loaded system, such as a transactional database
server or busy ftp upload server, such a RAID setup will bring the system to
its knees in short order as the CPU overhead for each 'real' disk I/O is now
increased 4x and the physical I/O bandwidth is increased 4x".

Your claim is irrelevant as neither CPU utilisation nor I/O bandwith are
of concern in such systems.  They are seek-bound.

> Given the way most database engines do locking, you'll get zero additional
> seek benefit on reads, and you'll take a 4x hit on writes. I don't know
> how you could possibly argue otherwise.

Linux can overlap seeks on multiple spindles, as can most operating
systems of the last fifty years.

--Mike Bird


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Synaptic hangs when updating Debian testing

[Edward C. Jones]

I use Debian testing, i386 port, on a PC. Today (4/28/10), I tried to 
update my system using synaptic. After the files were downloaded, 
synaptic hung and had to be kill'ed. Synaptic left the message:


The gtk frontend needs a working python-gtk2 and python-glade2.
Those imports can not be found. Falling back to pager.
The error is: No module named glade
Reading changelogs... Done
openssh (1:5.4p1-2) unstable; urgency=low

 Smartcard support is now available using PKCS#11 tokens.  If you
 were previously using an unofficial build of Debian's OpenSSH   
 package with OpenSC-based smartcard support added, then note

 that commands like 'ssh-add -s 0' will no longer work; you need to use
 'ssh-add -s /usr/lib/opensc-pkcs11.so' instead.

-- Colin Watson   Sat, 10 Apr 2010 01:08:59 +0100

What is the problem?


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Re: asignar hora a PC

[Stan Hoeppner]

Camaleón put forth on 4/28/2010 4:07 PM:

> There is just an interval of *35 seconds* between one mail and the other! 
> Wow, that is *so fast* if you are sending two different messages (to one 
> list and the other) because if you carefully review the e-mail headers, 
> the mailing list address is displayed in "To" field, in both cases. Not 
> "CC" nor "BCC".

This behavior is usually due to working in "off line" mode.  Remember waaay
back in the dialup days?  People would download mail via POP, then reply to
all the emails with the results going into the 'outbox', hit 'send', and the
client would dial out and send all the queued emails back-to-back.

If you look at the xfs mailing list, most devs submit their patches in this
queued manner.  You'll see 10 or more emails all from the same dev with
timestamps only a few seconds apart.

Given all of the other things we know about cosme's situation, I think this
"dial up" sending behavior is the likely cause of what you describe.
There's nothing odd or sinister about it.  I don't care for this whole cosme
situation as it distracts the list.  I wish he'd go away.  That said, again,
there's nothing suspicious about his quick succession sending.

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Re: Questions about RAID 6

[Stan Hoeppner]

Mike Bird put forth on 4/28/2010 1:48 PM:
> On Wed April 28 2010 01:44:37 Stan Hoeppner wrote:
>> On a sufficiently fast system that is not loaded, the user will likely see
>> no performance degradation, especially given Linux' buffered I/O
>> architecture.  However, on a loaded system, such as a transactional
>> database server or busy ftp upload server, such a RAID setup will bring the
>> system to its knees in short order as the CPU overhead for each 'real' disk
>> I/O is now increased 4x and the physical I/O bandwidth is increased 4x.
> 
> I've designed commercial database managers and OLTP systems.

Are you saying you've put production OLTP databases on N-way software RAID 1
sets?

> If CPU usage had ever become a factor in anything I had designed
> I would have been fired.  If they're not I/O bound they're useless.

That's an odd point to make given that we're discussing N-way RAID 1.  By
using N-way RAID 1, you're making the system I/O bound before you even
create the db.  Given the way most database engines do locking, you'll get
zero additional seek benefit on reads, and you'll take a 4x hit on writes.
I don't know how you could possibly argue otherwise.

> With a few exceptions such as physical backups, any I/O bound
> application is going to be seek bound, not bandwidth bound.

Downloads via http/ftp/scp and largish file copies via smb/cifs, as well as
any media streaming applications will be more b/w bound that seek bound.
For most day to day mundane stuff such as smtp/imap/web/etc, yes, they're
far more seek bound.  But again, using N-way RAID 1 will give no performance
boost to any of these applications, whether seek or b/w bound.  It will give
you the same read performance in most cases as a single spindle, on some
occasions a slight boost, but will always yield a 4x decrease in seek and
b/w/ performance for writes.

The Linux RAID 1 code is optimized for redundancy, not performance.  If you
need redundancy and performance with Linux software RAID, your best bet is
RAID 10.  It costs more per GB than RAID 5 or 6, but doesn't have to
generate parity, yielding lower CPU overhead and thus decreasing I/O
latency.  And it sure as heck costs less than N-way RAID 1.

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Re: asignar hora a PC

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 21:50:32 +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 16:11:38 +, Camaleón wrote:

>> > I would say it is d) "all of the above". If you understand Spanish,
>> > see for yourself:
>> > 
>> > http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2009/09/msg01806.html
>> 
>> That's unfair. I would not judge a user by just one post.
> 
> I would say that depends on the post. In any case, I am judging this
> particular user on his overall posting history here on d-u, which began
> long before the one mail to which I linked (which is just the most
> drastic manifestation of his general attitude).


You cannot condemn an actitute that is not being perceived by the user. 
And I don't think the OP knows what is he doing.
 

>> You must know that the Spanish list can be sometimes a bit
>> "un-pleasant" so I even could understood that overreaction.
> 
> He did not quote any mails of others that would justify his rudeness and
> blatant lack of concern for the mailing list code of conduct.


Yes, it is quoted, badly, but quoted. 

If you were a frequent user of the Spanish mailing list, you would have 
noticed that many of the posts are directed not to the list but to the 
users own e-mail address >:-)


>> I think many people here is not fully aware about the technological
>> limitations some users have to live with and treating such users as
>> just "nuts" is quite unjust, to say the least.
> 
> Just and unjust is in the eye of the beholder. I was trying to make a
> much more straightforward point: If enough people continue to reward a
> certain behavior then it is likely that there will be an increase in the
> occurrence of this very behavior. Case in point: Our friend has just
> posted another Spanish message to d-u.


I know him from the Spanish mailing list so, as he barely replies to the 
people who is giving some advice, I stopped from replying to his posts 
some time ago ;-)

Look, every time he posts to the Spanish mailing list, it duplicates the 
same message here. And note the *sending* time:

***
Original-Received: from cronos by gecgr.co.cu (MDaemon PRO v9.0.4)
with ESMTP id md5092215.msg for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 14:12:35 -0500
^^

***
Original-Received: from cronos by gecgr.co.cu (MDaemon PRO v9.0.4)
with ESMTP id md5092214.msg for ; Wed, 
28 Apr 2010 14:11:59 -0500
^^
***

There is just an interval of *35 seconds* between one mail and the other! 
Wow, that is *so fast* if you are sending two different messages (to one 
list and the other) because if you carefully review the e-mail headers, 
the mailing list address is displayed in "To" field, in both cases. Not 
"CC" nor "BCC".

Anyway... who cares? Me not :-)

Greetings,

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Re: asignar hora a PC

[Florian Kulzer]

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 16:11:38 +, Camaleón wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 17:14:15 +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 09:28:23 -0400, Stephen Powell wrote:
> 
> >> That is indeed strange.  I have never heard of an e-mail system that
> >> allows e-mails out but not in.  (Except for spam setups, of course!) 
> >> He must have *some* way of receiving replies, such as viewing the
> >> mailing list archives via a browser.  Otherwise, why would he ask a
> >> question to which he knows that he cannot receive replies?  And if
> >> memory serves me correctly, this user has been repeatedly told that
> >> debian-user is for English only.  I must therefore conclude that he is
> >> either (a) stupid, (b) careless, or (c) obnoxious.
> > 
> > I would say it is d) "all of the above". If you understand Spanish, see
> > for yourself:
> > 
> > http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2009/09/msg01806.html
> 
> That's unfair. I would not judge a user by just one post.

I would say that depends on the post. In any case, I am judging this
particular user on his overall posting history here on d-u, which began
long before the one mail to which I linked (which is just the most
drastic manifestation of his general attitude). 

> You must know that the Spanish list can be sometimes a bit "un-pleasant" 
> so I even could understood that overreaction.

He did not quote any mails of others that would justify his rudeness and
blatant lack of concern for the mailing list code of conduct.

> >> And none of those alternatives speak well of him or motivate people to
> >> help him.
> > 
> > Unfortunately, people still respond to him or even worry about
> > apologizing on behalf of the list if other subscribers tell him to get
> > lost.
> 
> I think many people here is not fully aware about the technological 
> limitations some users have to live with and treating such users as just 
> "nuts" is quite unjust, to say the least.

Just and unjust is in the eye of the beholder. I was trying to make a
much more straightforward point: If enough people continue to reward a
certain behavior then it is likely that there will be an increase in the
occurrence of this very behavior. Case in point: Our friend has just
posted another Spanish message to d-u.

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Re: getting inetd to run leafnode via IPv4

[Monique Y. Mudama]

On Wed, Apr 28 at 12:57, Monique Y. Mudama penned:
> 
> Apparently, the problem is that inetd has leafnode listening on
> IPv6, but not on IPv4.  I think I need to either get slrn to work
> with IPv6, or get leafnode listening on IPv4.  Actually I'd like to
> know how to do both.  I'd very much appreciate any pointers you can
> give me.

After some fiddling, I've found the solution to run slrn on IPv6:

export NNTPSERVER="[::]"
OR 
slrn -h "[::]"  

... but could anyone help me understand why inetd is running leafnode
in IPv6 ?


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Re: Questions about RAID 6

[Bob McGowan]

On 04/26/2010 04:33 PM, Mike Bird wrote:
> On Mon April 26 2010 14:44:32 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
>> the chance of a double failure in a 5 (or less) drive array is minuscule.
> 
> A flaky controller knocking one drive out of an array and then
> breaking another before you're rebuilt can really ruin your day.
> 

I've been out of the office and so come to this discussion a bit late -
my apologies if this has been mentioned ...

Greater redundancy can be had by putting disks on several controllers
rather than all on one.

If the rebuild fails due to a controller problem, it shouldn't affect
the disks on the other controllers.

> Rebuild is generally the period of most intense activity so
> figure on failures being much more likely during a rebuild.
> 
> --Mike Bird
> 
> 

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[no subject]

[Mauricio Contreras]

www.scimv7.tabl-online.com


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getting inetd to run leafnode via IPv4

[Monique Y. Mudama]

Some time ago, my slrn stopped being able to talk to my local news
server, and I'm just now trying to troubleshoot it.  I suspect this has
a really obvious answer, but because I'm not at all familiar with IPv6,
I'm not seeing it.  I'm running sid, mostly up to date.

Apparently, the problem is that inetd has leafnode listening on IPv6,
but not on IPv4.  I think I need to either get slrn to work with IPv6,
or get leafnode listening on IPv4.  Actually I'd like to know how to do
both.  I'd very much appreciate any pointers you can give me.

$ netstat -l | grep nntp
tcp6   0  0 [::]:nntp   [::]:* LISTEN

$ telnet :: 119
Trying ::...
Connected to ::.
Escape character is '^]'.
200 Leafnode NNTP Daemon, version 1.11.7 running at ip6-localhost (my 
fqdn: a.b.org)

telnet localhost 119
Trying 127.0.0.1...
telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused

This is surprising, because I thought you had to specifically tell
inetd to use IPv6.  My inetd.conf has this line:

nntp stream tcp nowait news /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/leafnode

... but neither loosening my /etc/hosts.* files nor removing tcpd from
the loop seems to help.

I'm a total newb regarding IPv6.  Currently my environment has:
NNTPSERVER=localhost
... which some time ago allowed slrn to read from the local news server.

Changing to 
NNTPSERVER=::
does not satisfy slrn:
Connecting to host  ...
Failed to resolve

Any suggestions?

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Re: Questions about RAID 6

[Mike Bird]

On Wed April 28 2010 01:44:37 Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> On a sufficiently fast system that is not loaded, the user will likely see
> no performance degradation, especially given Linux' buffered I/O
> architecture.  However, on a loaded system, such as a transactional
> database server or busy ftp upload server, such a RAID setup will bring the
> system to its knees in short order as the CPU overhead for each 'real' disk
> I/O is now increased 4x and the physical I/O bandwidth is increased 4x.

I've designed commercial database managers and OLTP systems.

If CPU usage had ever become a factor in anything I had designed
I would have been fired.  If they're not I/O bound they're useless.

With a few exceptions such as physical backups, any I/O bound
application is going to be seek bound, not bandwidth bound.

--Mike Bird


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Re: 2.6.32-3 does not recognize PATA WD disk...

[Γιώργος Πάλλας]

please don't top post! :-)

Answer at the end:

Anand Sivaram wrote:
> This is not a kernel bug, but the way debian uses drivers.  There are
> two different drivers in the kernel now.
> Old ide drivers and newer pata drivers.  Old ide drivers are going to
> get deprecated.
> For some reason debian stock kernel is taking only ide drivers.  I
> have seen this with both my desktop (ide amd74xx used, pata_amd is not
> at all compiled) and laptop (both ide piix and pata ata_pii modules
> are compiled, but ide piix used)
> Because of that my hard drive is shown as /dev/hda instead of /dev/sda
> with the debian stock kernel.
>
> What I did was to compile a custom kernel by including only the pata drivers.
> Now with this custom kernel everything is fine and consistent.
>
> 2010/4/28 Γιώργος Πάλλας :
>   
>> Hi to everybody!
>>
>> I  just got a WD caviar blue, with the classic IDE interface and tried to
>> connect it to my debian squeeze pc which already has a WD SATA device, where
>> the OS lives.
>>
>> The problem is that 2.6.32-3 does not recognize the disk and although I'm
>> not an expert, I tend to think that it is a kernel bug. I booted with
>> 2.6.30-2-686 and it sees the disk:
>> [1.560374] hda: WDC WD3200AAJB-56R1A0, ATA DISK drive
>>
>> About the IDE controller, here's what lspci -v says:
>>
>> on both 2.6.30  and 2.6.32 :
>>
>> 00:14.1 IDE interface: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 IDE (prog-if 8a [Master
>> SecP PriP])
>>   Subsystem: Giga-byte Technology Gigabyte GA-MA69G-S3H Motherboard
>>  Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 16
>>I/O ports at 01f0 [size=8]
>>   I/O ports at 03f4 [size=1]
>> I/O ports at 0170 [size=8]
>>   I/O ports at 0374 [size=1]
>> I/O ports at f900 [size=16]
>>Kernel driver in use:
>> ATIIXP_IDE
>> The only differences between lspci -v for 2.6.30 and 2.6.32 are the
>> following:
>> # diff 2.6.30-2-lspci 2.6.32-3-lspci
>> 23c23
>> <   Kernel driver in use: pcieport-driver
>> ---
>> 
>>>   Kernel driver in use: pcieport
>>>   
>> 38c38
>> <   Kernel driver in use: pcieport-driver
>> ---
>> 
>>>   Kernel driver in use: pcieport
>>>   
>> 95d94
>> <   Kernel driver in use: piix4_smbus
>>
>> where the pcieport differences refer to
>> 00:02.0 PCI bridge: ATI Technologies Inc RD790 PCI to PCI bridge (external
>> gfx0 port A) (prog-if 00 [Normal decode])
>> and
>> 00:0a.0 PCI bridge: ATI Technologies Inc RD790 PCI to PCI bridge (PCI
>> express gpp port F) (prog-if 00 [Normal decode])
>>
>> The lshw utility shows almost perfect match between 2.6.30 and 2.6.32 with
>> the difference that under the ide section which is identical in both
>> kernels:
>>
>>   *-ide
>>description: IDE interface
>>product: SB600 IDE
>>vendor: ATI Technologies Inc
>>physical id: 14.1
>>bus info: p...@:00:14.1
>>version: 00
>>width: 32 bits
>>clock: 66MHz
>>capabilities: ide bus_master
>>configuration: driver=ATIIXP_IDE latency=32
>>resources: irq:16 ioport:1f0(size=8) ioport:3f6
>> ioport:170(size=8) ioport:376 ioport:f900(size=16)
>>  *-ide
>>   description: IDE Channel 0
>>   physical id: 0
>>   bus info: i...@0
>>   logical name: ide0
>>   clock: 66MHz
>>
>> but in 2.6.32 nothing disk relevant follows, where with 2.6.30, the disk
>> section follows:
>>
>> *-disk
>>  description: ATA Disk
>>  product: WDC WD3200AAJB-56R1A0
>>  vendor: Western Digital
>>  physical id: 0
>>  bus info: i...@0.0
>>  logical name: /dev/hda
>>  version: 01.03E01
>>  serial: WD-WCAV2H175667
>>  size: 298GiB (320GB)
>>  capabilities: ata dma lba iordy smart security pm
>> partitioned partitioned:dos
>>  configuration: mode=udma5 signature=0804 smart=on
>>
>> bit strange, isn't it?
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> As well as that, I can't report it via reportbug, because with: reportbug
>> linux-image-2.6.32-3-686
>> I always get
>>
>> Querying Debian BTS for reports on linux-2.6 (source)...
>> Unable to connect to Debian BTS; continue [y|N|?]?
>>
>> after a couple of minutes...
>>
>> Giorgos

That means that there is no way to get the disk working by using the
stock kernel? It is also strange that the drivers are there in the
2.6.32, but they do not seem to work:

[1.256871] atiixp :00:14.1: IDE controller (0x1002:0x438c rev 0x00)
[1.256894] ATIIXP_IDE :00:14.1: PCI INT A -> GSI 16 (level, low)
-> IRQ 16
[1.256909] atiixp :00:14.1: not 100% native mode

PDC y BDC Debian Lenny

[cosme]

PDC y BDC Debian Lenny

He instalado un controlador de domio con Samba PDC mediante PAM/NSS y 
OpenLDAP.


Busqué algunos manuales para configurar tambien un BDC

y no encontré nada, loq que hice fue ir probando de algunos manuales que 
dicen algo y creo que el BDC trabaja pero


quisiera saber que comandos o acciones me pueden decir si en realidad 
trabajan bien


alguna idea???



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Re: Which remote help solution?

[Tapas Mishra]

For you OpenVPN (Google It) will be an easy solution.
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Re: Ctrl+alt+Fn not showing consoles

[rudu]

Le 28/04/2010 18:30, Anand Sivaram a écrit :


What is your default runlevel.  It should be 2 in normal mode.  You
could find it from the command "runlevel".


# runlevel
N 2



Anyway,  just see your /etc/inittab and make sure that the required
gettys are there.

For my debian squeeze system, these are the relevant lines.

# Note that on most Debian systems tty7 is used by the X Window System,
# so if you want to add more getty's go ahead but skip tty7 if you run X.
#
1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1
2:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty2
3:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty3
4:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty4
5:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty5
6:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty6




I've got exactly the same lines in my inittab file.

ps aux | grep getty
root  2183  0.0  0.0   5864   604 tty1 Ss+  09:58   0:00 
/sbin/getty 38400 tty1
root  2184  0.0  0.0   5864   600 tty2 Ss+  09:58   0:00 
/sbin/getty 38400 tty2
root  2185  0.0  0.0   5864   604 tty3 Ss+  09:58   0:00 
/sbin/getty 38400 tty3
root  2186  0.0  0.0   5864   604 tty4 Ss+  09:58   0:00 
/sbin/getty 38400 tty4
root  2187  0.0  0.0   5864   604 tty5 Ss+  09:58   0:00 
/sbin/getty 38400 tty5
root  2188  0.0  0.0   5864   604 tty6 Ss+  09:58   0:00 
/sbin/getty 38400 tty6

root  3807  0.0  0.0   9604   896 pts/0S+   19:30   0:00 grep getty

But still no virtual console ... :(

Thanks for your interest Anand.

Jean-Marc


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Re: asignar hora a PC

[Stephen Powell]

On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 11:14:15 -0400 (EDT), Florian Kulzer wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 09:28:23 -0400, Stephen Powell wrote:
>> I must therefore conclude that he is either (a) stupid,
>> (b) careless, or (c) obnoxious.
> 
> I would say it is d) "all of the above". If you understand Spanish, see
> for yourself:
> 
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2009/09/msg01806.html

I did take two years of Spanish in high school.  But that was a very
long time ago, and I really haven't had occasion to use it since.
Therefore, I have forgotten most of what I learned.  I recognize a word
here and there, but not enough to understand what he is saying.
Fortunately, there are Spanish to English translation engines available
on the internet.  And although they don't do as good a job as a human
would who is fluent in both languages, they are close enough for me
to get the gist of what he is saying, in most cases.  But (a) he
apparently can't receive repies anyway, and (b) he is cross-posting
questions in Spanish to multiple lists, most of which are non-Spanish,
which is really annoying.

Here is a computer translation of the above-mentioned post by cosme:

   It is ugly but very ugly to do cross posting. "", ah yes!! and that
   is pretty for him or those who said this??? I am interested in a toss
   what they think, to stupid words deaf ears.
   
   These lists is it to investigate, to learn or to be criticizing
   and to eating sh*t??

This was a reply to one of his own posts.

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Re: Ctrl+alt+Fn not showing consoles

[Anand Sivaram]

What is your default runlevel.  It should be 2 in normal mode.  You
could find it from the command "runlevel".
Anyway,  just see your /etc/inittab and make sure that the required
gettys are there.

For my debian squeeze system, these are the relevant lines.

# Note that on most Debian systems tty7 is used by the X Window System,
# so if you want to add more getty's go ahead but skip tty7 if you run X.
#
1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1
2:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty2
3:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty3
4:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty4
5:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty5
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Re: asignar hora a PC

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 11:47:27 -0400, Stephen Powell wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 10:03:15 -0400 (EDT), Camaleón wrote:

>> But I'm just guessing, true is that in the Spanish mailing list there
>> are some posts coming from him, but *not* replies.
> 
> If what you say is true, then he is wasting his time (and ours) by
> posting to *any* list.  

Yes, I also think so.

> If he can only receive e-mails from fellow Cubans, then even if there 
> are fellow Cubans who could help him and are subscribed to the list, 
> they will never receive his posts, since the list server is outside of 
> Cuba.  In fact, no-one in Cuba could even subscribe to the list, since 
> they will never receive the confirmation e-mail.  

I think the filter can be based on the remitent address and not on where 
the mailing list server is located/is coming from.

In fact, the only recent reply from the OP to the Spanish list was to 
another Cuban user holding a "*.cu" e-mail address. Coincidence?

> And if they don't 
> have web access either, then posting to *any* list is an exercise in 
> futility for Cubans. Lists are black holes to Cubans.  Everything goes 
> in, nothing comes out. Apparently he hasn't figured that out yet.

No sir, not *all* Cubans are facing the same restrictions. There are many 
of them that can browse the web on their work places.

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Re: asignar hora a PC

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 17:14:15 +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 09:28:23 -0400, Stephen Powell wrote:

>> That is indeed strange.  I have never heard of an e-mail system that
>> allows e-mails out but not in.  (Except for spam setups, of course!) 
>> He must have *some* way of receiving replies, such as viewing the
>> mailing list archives via a browser.  Otherwise, why would he ask a
>> question to which he knows that he cannot receive replies?  And if
>> memory serves me correctly, this user has been repeatedly told that
>> debian-user is for English only.  I must therefore conclude that he is
>> either (a) stupid, (b) careless, or (c) obnoxious.
> 
> I would say it is d) "all of the above". If you understand Spanish, see
> for yourself:
> 
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2009/09/msg01806.html

That's unfair. I would not judge a user by just one post.

You must know that the Spanish list can be sometimes a bit "un-pleasant" 
so I even could understood that overreaction.
 
>> And none of those alternatives speak well of him or motivate people to
>> help him.
> 
> Unfortunately, people still respond to him or even worry about
> apologizing on behalf of the list if other subscribers tell him to get
> lost.

I think many people here is not fully aware about the technological 
limitations some users have to live with and treating such users as just 
"nuts" is quite unjust, to say the least.

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Re: Ctrl+alt+Fn not showing consoles

[rudu]

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 16:08, rudu > wrote:


Le 27/04/2010 03:48, Hugo Vanwoerkom a écrit :


rudu wrote:

Le 26/04/2010 20:55, Hugo Vanwoerkom a écrit :


and what was the driver that wouldn't compile?
I run x86-195.36.15 on the latest Sid kernel and it
compiles just
fine, but I don't (yet) have a AMD64 system.


Excerpt from /var/log/nvidia-installer.log :

Using: nvidia-installer ncurses user interface
WARNING: Skipping the runlevel check (the utility
`runlevel` failed
to run).
-> License accepted.
-> Installing NVIDIA driver version 195.36.15.
-> Performing CC sanity check with CC="cc".
-> Performing CC version check with CC="cc".
-> The CC version check failed:

  [...]



Indeed. Forget this if it is beating a dead horse, but did you
have
gcc-4.3 + gcc-4.4 both installed? I did and I set the symlink
gcc to
gcc-4.3 and that got rid of the message.


Thank you Hugo, I managed to compile the proprietary driver.
Now every ctrl+alt+Fn leads to a complete black screen, with no
prompt or cursor or anything.
Ctrl+alt+F7 works as expected.
Could it be that my system stopped creating the consoles at boot
time ?
What should I check and where ?



Le 27/04/2010 12:59, Anand Sivaram a écrit :
> How about single user mode?  Are you able to get virtual console there.
> Also try to disable gdm/kdm, see whether virtual consoles are working.

Thanks Anand,
In single user mode, I can login on the first virtual console but every 
other ctrl+alt+Fn I hit only gives me a black screen with a prompt 
flashing in the upper left corner ...
Launching a graphic session with startx instead of gdm/kdm doesn't 
change anything except that I don't even have any flashing prompt on my 
black screen anymore.


Any help would be appreciated.
Jean-Marc

Re: Odd logcheck behaviour.

[Chris Jackson]

Friedrich Clausen wrote:


Hi All,

I am trying to filter out Java stack traces from a log file and
thereby only send the initial exception so as to make the emails
smaller. In my manual tests this works (stack traces are not in
emails) but when running from cron the exceptions are not filtered out
(stack traces are present in logcheck emails). When I test manually, I
do the following -

$ cat sample.txt|sed -e 's/[space]*$//' |   egrep -v -f ./gigaspaces



I suspect it's because you're using a relative path (./gigaspaces). 
You'll need the full path to it from cron which may not be in the same 
directory you were in.



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Re: asignar hora a PC

[Stephen Powell]

On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 10:03:15 -0400 (EDT), Camaleón wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 09:28:23 -0400, Stephen Powell wrote:
>> That is indeed strange.  I have never heard of an e-mail system that
>> allows e-mails out but not in.  (Except for spam setups, of course!)  
> 
> Look at his e-mail address :-/
>
> This won't be the first time I see problems with user coming from some 
> restrictive networks. 
>>
>> He must have *some* way of receiving replies, such as viewing the 
>> mailing list archives via a browser.  Otherwise, why would he ask a 
>> question to which he knows that he cannot receive replies? And if 
>> memory serves me correctly, this user has been repeatedly told that 
>> debian-user is for English only.  I must therefore conclude that he is 
>> either (a) stupid, (b) careless, or (c) obnoxious. And none of those 
>> alternatives speak well of him or motivate people to help him.
> 
> There is still another option: "d) Other" :-)
> 
> Many cuban users are not able to browse the web (they have Internet but 
> only e-mail access, no web browsing) so if that is the case, he cannot 
> review the mailing list posts using web archives and if he is not 
> receiving e-mails coming from external users (non *.cu addresses), he is 
> then stuck.
> 
> But I'm just guessing, true is that in the Spanish mailing list there are 
> some posts coming from him, but *not* replies.

If what you say is true, then he is wasting his time (and ours) by posting
to *any* list.  If he can
only receive e-mails from fellow Cubans, then even if there are fellow
Cubans who could help him and are subscribed to the list, they will never
receive his posts, since the list server is outside of Cuba.  In fact,
no-one in Cuba could even subscribe to the list, since they will never
receive the confirmation e-mail.  And if they don't have web access
either, then posting to *any* list is an exercise in futility for Cubans.
Lists are black holes to Cubans.  Everything goes in, nothing comes out.
Apparently he hasn't figured that out yet.

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Re: asignar hora a PC

[Florian Kulzer]

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 09:28:23 -0400, Stephen Powell wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 02:16:20 -0400 (EDT), Camaleón wrote:
> > On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 14:57:59 -0400, Stephen Powell wrote:
> >> On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 15:22:53 -0400 (EDT), cosme wrote:
> >>> ...
> >>> y como quedaría dentro
> >> 
> >> Solo en ingles, por favor, o mailto:debian-user-span...@lists.debian.org
> > 
> > After some attemps to try to contact the user (he also writes into the 
> > Spanish list), I reached the following conclusions:
> > 
> > 1/ The user does not receive many of the e-mails coming from the list.
> > 
> > 2/ He cannot receive e-mails from the outside (maybe is behind a proxy or 
> > firewall or any kind of filter system that rejects external e-mails).
> 
> That is indeed strange.  I have never heard of an e-mail system that allows
> e-mails out but not in.  (Except for spam setups, of course!)  He must have
> *some* way of receiving replies, such as viewing the mailing list archives
> via a browser.  Otherwise, why would he ask a question to which he knows that
> he cannot receive replies?  And if memory serves me correctly, this user
> has been repeatedly told that debian-user is for English only.  I must
> therefore conclude that he is either (a) stupid, (b) careless, or (c) 
> obnoxious.

I would say it is d) "all of the above". If you understand Spanish, see
for yourself:

http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2009/09/msg01806.html

> And none of those alternatives speak well of him or motivate people to 
> help him.

Unfortunately, people still respond to him or even worry about
apologizing on behalf of the list if other subscribers tell him to get
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Odd logcheck behaviour.

[Friedrich Clausen]

Hi All,

I am trying to filter out Java stack traces from a log file and
thereby only send the initial exception so as to make the emails
smaller. In my manual tests this works (stack traces are not in
emails) but when running from cron the exceptions are not filtered out
(stack traces are present in logcheck emails). When I test manually, I
do the following -

$ cat sample.txt|sed -e 's/[space]*$//' |   egrep -v -f ./gigaspaces

(I got this from http://wiki.logcheck.org/DevelTipsTricks)

This works as expected.

To summerise - the symptoms are as follows (with more details to follow)

* Logwatch from cron - Stack traces are not filtered out
* egrep manually run - Stack traces are filtered out

I have decided to use pastebin to keep this email readable so below is
the exception and stack trace

http://pastebin.com/1miZ0VJC

and here is the logcheck regex config stored in
/etc/logcheck/ignore.d.server/gigaspaces

http://pastebin.com/z9hcfKqC

Any input into this logcheck behaviour would be much appreciated.

Cheers,

Fred.


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Re: Installer partitioner project, dif Debian Ubuntu, lvm, UUID, GPartEd, GRUB, HAL

[Lisi]

On Wednesday 28 April 2010 15:58:32 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> On Wednesday 28 April 2010 06:40:33 Camaleón wrote:
> > On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 16:10:04 -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> > > On Tuesday 27 April 2010 15:32:28 giovanni_re wrote:
> > >> Did ubuntu do something unwise with making use of UUIDs, & now they
> > >> are backtracking?  Did Debian do any of that?
> > >
> > > The Lenny installer defaults to populating /etc/fstab with UUIDs, IIRC.
> > > The Etch installer still just used device names.  UUIDs aren't directly
> > > related to HAL, although HAL can make use of them.
> >
> > My Lenny installation defaulted to "/dev/sdax" nomenclature in both, "/
> > boot/grub/menu.lst" and "/etc/fstab".
>
> Could just be me mis-remembering then.  Most of the Lenny installs I deal
> with are either installed with debootstrap (no d-i) or are Etch upgrades.

My (default) /etc/fstab on Lenny has /dev/hdx for ide drives and /dev/sdx for 
SCSI drives.

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Re: debian lenny support time

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On Wednesday 28 April 2010 08:38:37 Israel Garcia wrote:
> Do you know the support time for debian lenny?

Non-security RC bugs will be fixed until approximately the same time as the 
Squeeze release.

Security bugs will be fixed until approximately one (1) year after the Squeeze 
release.

Annoucement(s) will be send to the debian-announce list around the time 
support ends.

Other bugs will NOT be fixed, you will have to work around them (or convince 
the maintainer they are RC).

There are a few packages which are exceptions, but I don't have a list of 
those.
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Re: Which remote help solution?

[Anand Sivaram]

You could do the following.
1. install ssh server on your friends machine.  Create port forwarding
in their router
Login to their machine as usual using ssh.  To reduce ssh brute force
attack, change the ssh port from 22 to some larger number and use the
corresponding port for router port forwarding.
2. Install openvpn server on your machine, client on your friends
machine. access your friends machine just a like a local machine.

First option is the simplest to setup, it gives only ssh access to you.
Second option takes a bit more configuration, but gives you better
security and ease of use after that.

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 20:09, Mitja Podreka  wrote:
> Hello.
>
> I've migrated three friends to Linux. To make their (and mine) experience
> more pleasant I would like to be able to remotely access their computer and
> if possible enable them to see what I'm doing. The problem is that they are
> all behind router and I cannot expect from them to start some complicate
> procedure to enable me to connect remotely to their computer.
> Googling around I couldn't find any apparent (easy) solution. I don't mind
> setting up and learning, just I would not like to waste my time for wrong
> bad.
> Could you please suggest me some approach or just tell me what you're using
> for remote help.
>
> Thanks,
> Mitja
>
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Re: Which remote help solution?

[Jordan Metzmeier]

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Mitja Podreka  wrote:
> Hello.
>
> I've migrated three friends to Linux. To make their (and mine) experience
> more pleasant I would like to be able to remotely access their computer and
> if possible enable them to see what I'm doing. The problem is that they are
> all behind router and I cannot expect from them to start some complicate
> procedure to enable me to connect remotely to their computer.
> Googling around I couldn't find any apparent (easy) solution. I don't mind
> setting up and learning, just I would not like to waste my time for wrong
> bad.
> Could you please suggest me some approach or just tell me what you're using
> for remote help.
>
> Thanks,
> Mitja
>

You could setup a VPN at your house. Configure their machines so that
they can easily connect to the VPN. Once they are connected you can
interact with them just as if they were on your LAN.

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Re: Installer partitioner project, dif Debian Ubuntu, lvm, UUID, GPartEd, GRUB, HAL

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On Wednesday 28 April 2010 06:40:33 Camaleón wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 16:10:04 -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> > On Tuesday 27 April 2010 15:32:28 giovanni_re wrote:
> >> Did ubuntu do something unwise with making use of UUIDs, & now they are
> >> backtracking?  Did Debian do any of that?
> >
> > The Lenny installer defaults to populating /etc/fstab with UUIDs, IIRC.
> > The Etch installer still just used device names.  UUIDs aren't directly
> > related to HAL, although HAL can make use of them.
> 
> My Lenny installation defaulted to "/dev/sdax" nomenclature in both, "/
> boot/grub/menu.lst" and "/etc/fstab".

Could just be me mis-remembering then.  Most of the Lenny installs I deal with 
are either installed with debootstrap (no d-i) or are Etch upgrades.
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Which remote help solution?

[Mitja Podreka]

Hello.

I've migrated three friends to Linux. To make their (and mine) 
experience more pleasant I would like to be able to remotely access 
their computer and if possible enable them to see what I'm doing. The 
problem is that they are all behind router and I cannot expect from them 
to start some complicate procedure to enable me to connect remotely to 
their computer.
Googling around I couldn't find any apparent (easy) solution. I don't 
mind setting up and learning, just I would not like to waste my time for 
wrong bad.
Could you please suggest me some approach or just tell me what you're 
using for remote help.


Thanks,
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Re: debian lenny support time

[Wolodja Wentland]

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 15:38 +0200, Israel Garcia wrote:
> Do you know the support time for debian lenny?

Security support for stable releases is typically terminated one year
after the next stable release has been made.

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Re: asignar hora a PC

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 09:28:23 -0400, Stephen Powell wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 02:16:20 -0400 (EDT), Camaleón wrote:

>> After some attemps to try to contact the user (he also writes into the
>> Spanish list), I reached the following conclusions:
>> 
>> 1/ The user does not receive many of the e-mails coming from the list.
>> 
>> 2/ He cannot receive e-mails from the outside (maybe is behind a proxy
>> or firewall or any kind of filter system that rejects external
>> e-mails).
> 
> That is indeed strange.  I have never heard of an e-mail system that
> allows e-mails out but not in.  (Except for spam setups, of course!)  

Look at his e-mail address :-/

This won't be the first time I see problems with user coming from some 
restrictive networks. 

> He must have *some* way of receiving replies, such as viewing the 
> mailing list archives via a browser.  Otherwise, why would he ask a 
> question to which he knows that he cannot receive replies? And if 
> memory serves me correctly, this user has been repeatedly told that 
> debian-user is for English only.  I must therefore conclude that he is 
> either (a) stupid, (b) careless, or (c) obnoxious. And none of those 
> alternatives speak well of him or motivate people to help him.

There is still another option: "d) Other" :-)

Many cuban users are not able to browse the web (they have Internet but 
only e-mail access, no web browsing) so if that is the case, he cannot 
review the mailing list posts using web archives and if he is not 
receiving e-mails coming from external users (non *.cu addresses), he is 
then stuck.

But I'm just guessing, true is that in the Spanish mailing list there are 
some posts coming from him, but *not* replies.

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Re: debian lenny support time

[Israel Garcia]

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Stephen Powell  wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 09:38:37 -0400 (EDT), Israel Garcia wrote:
>>
>> Do you know the support time for debian lenny?
>
> I'm not exactly sure what you mean by that.  First of all, you need
> to define what "support" means.  It will receive support for security
> fixes as long as it remains the stable release, and probably for some
> time after it becomes oldstable.
Hi Stephen

Yes, I meant security support... thanks

regards,
Israel.

Usually, the security team drops
> support for oldstable shortly before the current testing release
> becomes the stable release.  There is no announced timetable for this,
> but historically the mean time between releases has been about two
> years, give or take a few months.
>
> If what you mean is a commercial support contract, Debian itself,
> as an organization, does not offer commercial support.  Commercial
> support is sometimes available from third parties, such as a hardware
> vendor which pre-installs Debian.  One can also negotiate a support
> contract from an independent consultant.
>
> If what you mean is informal support, from mailing lists such as this,
> it has no official start or end.  If you can find someone on the
> list who is willing and able to answer your question, you have support.
> If you can't, then you don't.
>
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Re: asignar hora a PC

[Stephen Powell]

On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 09:47:30 -0400 (EDT), Paul E Condon wrote:
> On 20100428_092823, Stephen Powell wrote:
>> I must therefore conclude that he is either (a) stupid,
>> (b) careless, or (c) obnoxious.
> 
> There are many more possible reasons than three.
> ...
> Perhaps, for instance, he is insane and is confined to a
> mental institution where some of the more lucid inmates are allowed access
> to the computers and internet.

Thank you for helping me to "think outside the box", Paul.  ;-)

> Whatever the real reason, Camaleon seems to
> have exhausted the publicly available options for communication. I thank him.

Well, I'm glad that I'm not the only one who misidentified Camaleón's gender.
Camaleón is female.

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Re: debian lenny support time

[Stephen Powell]

On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 09:38:37 -0400 (EDT), Israel Garcia wrote:
> 
> Do you know the support time for debian lenny?

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by that.  First of all, you need
to define what "support" means.  It will receive support for security
fixes as long as it remains the stable release, and probably for some
time after it becomes oldstable.  Usually, the security team drops
support for oldstable shortly before the current testing release
becomes the stable release.  There is no announced timetable for this,
but historically the mean time between releases has been about two
years, give or take a few months.

If what you mean is a commercial support contract, Debian itself,
as an organization, does not offer commercial support.  Commercial
support is sometimes available from third parties, such as a hardware
vendor which pre-installs Debian.  One can also negotiate a support
contract from an independent consultant.

If what you mean is informal support, from mailing lists such as this,
it has no official start or end.  If you can find someone on the
list who is willing and able to answer your question, you have support.
If you can't, then you don't.

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Re: asignar hora a PC

[Paul E Condon]

On 20100428_092823, Stephen Powell wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 02:16:20 -0400 (EDT), Camaleón wrote:
> > On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 14:57:59 -0400, Stephen Powell wrote:
> >> On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 15:22:53 -0400 (EDT), cosme wrote:
> >>> ...
> >>> y como quedaría dentro
> >> 
> >> Solo en ingles, por favor, o mailto:debian-user-span...@lists.debian.org
> > 
> > After some attemps to try to contact the user (he also writes into the 
> > Spanish list), I reached the following conclusions:
> > 
> > 1/ The user does not receive many of the e-mails coming from the list.
> > 
> > 2/ He cannot receive e-mails from the outside (maybe is behind a proxy or 
> > firewall or any kind of filter system that rejects external e-mails).
> 
> That is indeed strange.  I have never heard of an e-mail system that allows
> e-mails out but not in.  (Except for spam setups, of course!)  He must have
> *some* way of receiving replies, such as viewing the mailing list archives
> via a browser.  Otherwise, why would he ask a question to which he knows that
> he cannot receive replies?  And if memory serves me correctly, this user
> has been repeatedly told that debian-user is for English only.  I must
> therefore conclude that he is either (a) stupid, (b) careless, or (c) 
> obnoxious.

Steve:

There are many more possible reasons than three. Given Camaleon's report of
his investigation, I think it is like that the real reason is something else,
not on your list. Perhaps, for instance, he is insane and is confined to a
mental institution where some of the more lucid inmates are allowed access
to the computers and internet. Whatever the real reason, Camaleon seems to
have exhausted the publicly available options for communication. I thank him.


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URL redirection problem in a reverse proxy apache2

[Tapas Mishra]

Hi,
 I have a webserver apache2 .


I want to have a few websites
[url]http://site1.myserver.com[/url]
[url]http://myserver.com[/url]
and [url]http://myserver.com/site2[/url]

 I did set up a reverse proxy environment for doing this.
[code]
Dom0 LAN IP > 192.168.1.1 Gateway (where reverse proxy is set)
DomU1 LAN IP > 192.168.1.13 ( here myserver.com
   and site1.myserver.com
both are hosted.)

Domu2  LAN IP > 192.168.1.17  myserver.com/site2 is here.[/code]




Configuration on Dom0 of sites site1.myserver.com and myserver.com
 Virtual Host Configurations on Dom0
in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/myserver.com (on gateway)
[code]

ServerAdmin webmas...@localhost
ServerName myserver.com

ProxyRequests off

Order deny,allow
Allow from all

ProxyPass / http://192.168.1.13/
ProxyPassReverse / http://192.168.1.13/
ProxyPass /site2 http://192.168.1.17/
ProxyPassReverse /site2 http://192.168.1.17/



[/code]

then /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/site1.myserver.com  (on gateway)
has
[code]

ServerAdmin webmas...@localhost
ServerName site1.myserver.com

ProxyRequests off

Order deny,allow
Allow from all

ProxyPass / http://192.168.1.13/
ProxyPassReverse / http://192.168.1.13/



[/code]



and following asci chart

[code]
On Dom0
sites-enabled
  |
  |--->myserver.com  (ProxyPass / to
http://192.168.1.13/)
  |
  |--->site1.myserver.com (ProxyPass / to 
http://192.168.1.13/)
[/code]

and for myserver.com/site2
on Dom0 in same file I have following
[code]
ProxyPass /site2 192.168.1.17
ProxyPassReverse /site2 192.168.1.17
[/code]



On DomU (site1) 192.168.1.13 where site1.myserver.com and
myserver.com are actually present.
[code]
sites-enabled
  |
  |--->myserver.com  (DocumentRoot /var/www/myserver)
  |
  |--->site1.myserver.com (DocumentRoot /var/www/site1)
[/code]
Is this configuration wrong.
What is happening is
 if some one clicks on [url]http://myserver.com[/url] or
[url]http://site1.myserver.com[/url]  he sees
[url]http://site1.myserver.com[/url]

Which should not happen.



Scene 2)

 If you open
 [url]http://myserver.com/site2[/url]
 Following comes
[code]
 Not Found
  The requested URL /site2 was not found on this server.
[/code]
Configuration is
[code]
On Dom0
sites-enabled  in same file myserver.com
  |
  |--->myserver.com(ProxyPass /site2 to
http://192.168.1.17/)
  (ProxyPassReverse /site2
 http://192.168.1.17/)
[/code]
[url]http://myserver.com/site2[/url] is not opening.


On DomU that is 192.168.1.13  where site1.myserver.com and
myserver.com are hosted
I have
 /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/site1.myserver.com (where it is hosted on LAN)


[code]

ServerAdmin webmas...@localhost
ServerName myserver.com
 DocumentRoot /var/www/mainsite/

Options FollowSymLinks
AllowOverride None



[/code]
and  /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/myserver.com  (where it is hosted on LAN)

[code]

ServerAdmin webmas...@localhost
ServerName site1.myserver.com
 DocumentRoot /var/www/site1/

Options FollowSymLinks
AllowOverride None



[/code]

and configuration of myserver.com/site2 on 192.168.1.17

[code]

ServerAdmin webmas...@localhost
ServerName myserver.com/site2
 DocumentRoot /var/www

Options FollowSymLinks
AllowOverride None



[/code]

So what should I check in?

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Re: 2.6.32-3 does not recognize PATA WD disk...

[Anand Sivaram]

This is not a kernel bug, but the way debian uses drivers.  There are
two different drivers in the kernel now.
Old ide drivers and newer pata drivers.  Old ide drivers are going to
get deprecated.
For some reason debian stock kernel is taking only ide drivers.  I
have seen this with both my desktop (ide amd74xx used, pata_amd is not
at all compiled) and laptop (both ide piix and pata ata_pii modules
are compiled, but ide piix used)
Because of that my hard drive is shown as /dev/hda instead of /dev/sda
with the debian stock kernel.

What I did was to compile a custom kernel by including only the pata drivers.
Now with this custom kernel everything is fine and consistent.

2010/4/28 Γιώργος Πάλλας :
> Hi to everybody!
>
> I  just got a WD caviar blue, with the classic IDE interface and tried to
> connect it to my debian squeeze pc which already has a WD SATA device, where
> the OS lives.
>
> The problem is that 2.6.32-3 does not recognize the disk and although I'm
> not an expert, I tend to think that it is a kernel bug. I booted with
> 2.6.30-2-686 and it sees the disk:
> [    1.560374] hda: WDC WD3200AAJB-56R1A0, ATA DISK drive
>
> About the IDE controller, here's what lspci -v says:
>
> on both 2.6.30  and 2.6.32 :
>
> 00:14.1 IDE interface: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 IDE (prog-if 8a [Master
> SecP PriP])
>       Subsystem: Giga-byte Technology Gigabyte GA-MA69G-S3H Motherboard
>              Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 16
>                    I/O ports at 01f0 [size=8]
>                           I/O ports at 03f4 [size=1]
>                                 I/O ports at 0170 [size=8]
>                                       I/O ports at 0374 [size=1]
>                                             I/O ports at f900 [size=16]
>                                                    Kernel driver in use:
> ATIIXP_IDE
> The only differences between lspci -v for 2.6.30 and 2.6.32 are the
> following:
> # diff 2.6.30-2-lspci 2.6.32-3-lspci
> 23c23
> <       Kernel driver in use: pcieport-driver
> ---
>>       Kernel driver in use: pcieport
> 38c38
> <       Kernel driver in use: pcieport-driver
> ---
>>       Kernel driver in use: pcieport
> 95d94
> <       Kernel driver in use: piix4_smbus
>
> where the pcieport differences refer to
> 00:02.0 PCI bridge: ATI Technologies Inc RD790 PCI to PCI bridge (external
> gfx0 port A) (prog-if 00 [Normal decode])
> and
> 00:0a.0 PCI bridge: ATI Technologies Inc RD790 PCI to PCI bridge (PCI
> express gpp port F) (prog-if 00 [Normal decode])
>
> The lshw utility shows almost perfect match between 2.6.30 and 2.6.32 with
> the difference that under the ide section which is identical in both
> kernels:
>
>       *-ide
>            description: IDE interface
>            product: SB600 IDE
>            vendor: ATI Technologies Inc
>            physical id: 14.1
>            bus info: p...@:00:14.1
>            version: 00
>            width: 32 bits
>            clock: 66MHz
>            capabilities: ide bus_master
>            configuration: driver=ATIIXP_IDE latency=32
>            resources: irq:16 ioport:1f0(size=8) ioport:3f6
> ioport:170(size=8) ioport:376 ioport:f900(size=16)
>          *-ide
>               description: IDE Channel 0
>               physical id: 0
>               bus info: i...@0
>               logical name: ide0
>               clock: 66MHz
>
> but in 2.6.32 nothing disk relevant follows, where with 2.6.30, the disk
> section follows:
>
>             *-disk
>                  description: ATA Disk
>                  product: WDC WD3200AAJB-56R1A0
>                  vendor: Western Digital
>                  physical id: 0
>                  bus info: i...@0.0
>                  logical name: /dev/hda
>                  version: 01.03E01
>                  serial: WD-WCAV2H175667
>                  size: 298GiB (320GB)
>                  capabilities: ata dma lba iordy smart security pm
> partitioned partitioned:dos
>                  configuration: mode=udma5 signature=0804 smart=on
>
> bit strange, isn't it?
>
> Any ideas?
>
> As well as that, I can't report it via reportbug, because with: reportbug
> linux-image-2.6.32-3-686
> I always get
>
> Querying Debian BTS for reports on linux-2.6 (source)...
> Unable to connect to Debian BTS; continue [y|N|?]?
>
> after a couple of minutes...
>
> Giorgos
>
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Re: Technical questions

[Stephen Powell]

On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 09:32:12 -0400 (EDT), Paul E Condon wrote:
> 
> My impression of how things worked in the past on this list is that
> each user used mutt for his/her MUA, and procmail for filtering.
> People, or topics that did not meet the personal standards of an
> individual were quietly committed to /dev/null .
> 
> Some users, I think, had set up very complex logic for dealing with
> html in email. My approach was to remain clueless about how to set up
> mutt to open html emails. The current situation is well within my 
> procmail skill set. For me, it is somewhat like how I deal with Fox
> News, and other abominations of modern life. ;)

One of these days I'll have to experiment with mutt or some other
Linux-based e-mail agent.  Things like this provide me with motivation
for doing so.  That being said, there is still no excuse for abuse.

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debian lenny support time

[Israel Garcia]

Hi,
Do you know the support time for debian lenny?

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Re: Technical questions

[Paul E Condon]

My impression of how things worked in the past on this list is that
each user used mutt for his/her MUA, and procmail for filtering.
People, or topics that did not meet the personal standards of an
individual were quietly committed to /dev/null .

Some users, I think, had set up very complex logic for dealing with
html in email. My approach was to remain clueless about how to set up
mutt to open html emails. The current situation is well within my 
procmail skill set. For me, it is somewhat like how I deal with Fox
News, and other abominations of modern life. ;)

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Re: asignar hora a PC

[Stephen Powell]

On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 02:16:20 -0400 (EDT), Camaleón wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 14:57:59 -0400, Stephen Powell wrote:
>> On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 15:22:53 -0400 (EDT), cosme wrote:
>>> ...
>>> y como quedaría dentro
>> 
>> Solo en ingles, por favor, o mailto:debian-user-span...@lists.debian.org
> 
> After some attemps to try to contact the user (he also writes into the 
> Spanish list), I reached the following conclusions:
> 
> 1/ The user does not receive many of the e-mails coming from the list.
> 
> 2/ He cannot receive e-mails from the outside (maybe is behind a proxy or 
> firewall or any kind of filter system that rejects external e-mails).

That is indeed strange.  I have never heard of an e-mail system that allows
e-mails out but not in.  (Except for spam setups, of course!)  He must have
*some* way of receiving replies, such as viewing the mailing list archives
via a browser.  Otherwise, why would he ask a question to which he knows that
he cannot receive replies?  And if memory serves me correctly, this user
has been repeatedly told that debian-user is for English only.  I must
therefore conclude that he is either (a) stupid, (b) careless, or (c) obnoxious.
And none of those alternatives speak well of him or motivate people to 
help him.

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Re: Please don't feed the troll and don't reply...

[Mihamina Rakotomandimby]

> Sebastian Weisgerber  :
> and block him/her/it from the mailing-list.

His IP is 96.51.30.151

$ whois 96.51.30.151
And you get his ISP and then send abuse.
I sent one.


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2.6.32-3 does not recognize PATA WD disk...

[Γιώργος Πάλλας]

Hi to everybody!

I  just got a WD caviar blue, with the classic IDE interface and tried 
to connect it to my debian squeeze pc which already has a WD SATA 
device, where the OS lives.


The problem is that 2.6.32-3 does not recognize the disk and although 
I'm not an expert, I tend to think that it is a kernel bug. I booted 
with 2.6.30-2-686 and it sees the disk:

[1.560374] hda: WDC WD3200AAJB-56R1A0, ATA DISK drive

About the IDE controller, here's what lspci -v says:

on both 2.6.30  and 2.6.32 :

00:14.1 IDE interface: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 IDE (prog-if 8a 
[Master SecP PriP])
   Subsystem: Giga-byte Technology Gigabyte GA-MA69G-S3H 
Motherboard   
   Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 
16 
   I/O ports at 01f0 
[size=8]  
   I/O ports at 03f4 
[size=1]  
   I/O ports at 0170 
[size=8]  
   I/O ports at 0374 
[size=1]  
   I/O ports at f900 
[size=16] 
   Kernel driver in use: ATIIXP_IDE  

The only differences between lspci -v for 2.6.30 and 2.6.32 are the 
following:

# diff 2.6.30-2-lspci 2.6.32-3-lspci
23c23
<   Kernel driver in use: pcieport-driver
---
>   Kernel driver in use: pcieport
38c38
<   Kernel driver in use: pcieport-driver
---
>   Kernel driver in use: pcieport
95d94
<   Kernel driver in use: piix4_smbus

where the pcieport differences refer to
00:02.0 PCI bridge: ATI Technologies Inc RD790 PCI to PCI bridge 
(external gfx0 port A) (prog-if 00 [Normal decode])

and
00:0a.0 PCI bridge: ATI Technologies Inc RD790 PCI to PCI bridge (PCI 
express gpp port F) (prog-if 00 [Normal decode])


The lshw utility shows almost perfect match between 2.6.30 and 2.6.32 
with the difference that under the ide section which is identical in 
both kernels:


   *-ide
description: IDE interface
product: SB600 IDE
vendor: ATI Technologies Inc
physical id: 14.1
bus info: p...@:00:14.1
version: 00
width: 32 bits
clock: 66MHz
capabilities: ide bus_master
configuration: driver=ATIIXP_IDE latency=32
resources: irq:16 ioport:1f0(size=8) ioport:3f6 
ioport:170(size=8) ioport:376 ioport:f900(size=16)

  *-ide
   description: IDE Channel 0
   physical id: 0
   bus info: i...@0
   logical name: ide0
   clock: 66MHz

but in 2.6.32 nothing disk relevant follows, where with 2.6.30, the disk 
section follows:


 *-disk
  description: ATA Disk
  product: WDC WD3200AAJB-56R1A0
  vendor: Western Digital
  physical id: 0
  bus info: i...@0.0
  logical name: /dev/hda
  version: 01.03E01
  serial: WD-WCAV2H175667
  size: 298GiB (320GB)
  capabilities: ata dma lba iordy smart security pm 
partitioned partitioned:dos

  configuration: mode=udma5 signature=0804 smart=on

bit strange, isn't it?

Any ideas?

As well as that, I can't report it via reportbug, because with: 
reportbug linux-image-2.6.32-3-686

I always get

Querying Debian BTS for reports on linux-2.6 (source)...
Unable to connect to Debian BTS; continue [y|N|?]?

after a couple of minutes...

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Re: Technical questions

[Stephen Powell]

On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 23:32:54 -0400 (EDT), Mark Allums wrote:
> On 4/27/2010 3:56 AM, Thomas Pomber wrote:
>> I can see that some people here are boring, and lack a sense of fun.
>> So, technical questions only from here on in. :)
> 
> In case it hasn't been mentioned, there now exists an off-topic user 
> list for Debian.

It was mentioned.  Please don't feed the troll.

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dma_timer_expiry - Installing Debian on CF card via adapter IDE-->CF

[Krzysztof Walkiewicz]

Hi list,

I try to install Debian Lenny on my HP 5700 Thin Client Terminal.
The installation source is USB stick, bootloader - syslinux,
netinstall.iso.
As a hard drive I use Kingston CompactFlash 16GB
Elite Pro 133x via adapter IDE-->CF.
During booting I get message "dma_timer_expiry : dma status == 0x21",
after a while system installer starts, but after partitioning I
get a message that system wasn't able to mount the partitions.
Whta can I do to fix this problem?
Is this because my CF card or adapter doesn't support DMA?
I consider acquisition of new adapter that I found which support
DMA http://www.allegro.pl/item1014920705_cf_ide_44pin_adapter.html
but I can't find if my CF card does.

Could anybody help me how to fix this problem? Should I add something 
like ide=nodma to the syslinux.cfg?



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nslookup from Windows resolves domain and pdc correctly but still gets cannot contact on samba 3.2.5-4 on lenny

[Siju George]

Hi,

I have installed

ii  samba 2:3.2.5-4lenny9a
LanManager-like file and printer server for Unix
ii  samba-common  2:3.2.5-4lenny9
Samba common files used by both the server and the client

On Debian Lenny and i am sharing directories to Windows Users successfully.

I configured it as a PDC with the following configuration.



[global]
workgroup = HIFXNX
netbios name = HIFXNXDC
server string = HIFXNX Domain Controller, PHP Development
Server, Subversion Server, DNS Server
interfaces = 172.16.2.0/255.255.255.255
bind interfaces only = Yes
obey pam restrictions = Yes
passdb backend = tdbsam
pam password change = Yes
passwd program = /usr/bin/passwd %u
passwd chat = *Enter\snew\s*\spassword:* %n\n
*Retype\snew\s*\spassword:* %n\n *password\supdated\ssuccessfully* .
unix password sync = Yes
syslog = 0
log file = /var/log/samba/log.%m
max log size = 1000
name resolve order = lmhosts host wins bcast
add user script = /usr/sbin/adduser --quiet
--disabled-password --gecos "" %u
add group script = /usr/sbin/addgroup --force-badname %g
add machine script = /usr/sbin/useradd -g machines -c "%u
machine account" -d /var/lib/samba -s /bin/false %u
domain logons = Yes
os level = 33
preferred master = Auto
domain master = Yes
dns proxy = No
panic action = /usr/share/samba/panic-action %d

[homes]
comment = Home Directories
valid users = %S
create mask = 0700
directory mask = 0700
browseable = No

[netlogon]
comment = Network Logon Service
path = /home/samba/netlogon
guest ok = Yes
share modes = No


I can get the domain & domain controller resolved using DNS from the
Windows XP machine.


C:\Documents and Settings\secure>nslookup hifxnx.local
Server:  hifxpms.hifxchn2.local
Address:  172.16.2.26

Name:hifxnx.local
Address:  172.16.2.0

C:\Documents and Settings\secure>nslookup hifxnxdc.hifxnx.local
Server:  hifxpms.hifxchn2.local
Address:  172.16.2.26

Name:hifxnxdc.hifxnx.local
Address:  172.16.2.0

C:\Documents and Settings\secure>ipconfig /all
Windows IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : winxsp2-vm
Primary Dns Suffix  . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix  . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : AMD PCNET Family PCI
Ethernet Adapter
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 08-00-27-DE-AB-29
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 172.16.2.51
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.240.0.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 172.17.1.0
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 172.16.2.26
172.17.1.0

But when I try to join the domain from the Windows XP machine.
I get the error

"A Domain Controller for the domain hifxnx.local could not be contacted"

and the debug log file dcdiag.txt contains these details.

The following error occurred when DNS was queried for the service
location (SRV) resource record used to locate a domain controller for
domain hifxnx.local:

The error was: "DNS name does not exist."
(error code 0x232B RCODE_NAME_ERROR)

The query was for the SRV record for _ldap._tcp.dc._msdcs.hifxnx.local

Common causes of this error include the following:

- The DNS SRV record is not registered in DNS.

- One or more of the following zones do not include delegation to its
child zone:

hifxnx.local
local
. (the root zone)

For information about correcting this problem, click Help

It will be great if some one can point out the problem to me :-)

Thanks

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Re: Installer partitioner project, dif Debian Ubuntu, lvm, UUID, GPartEd, GRUB, HAL

[Camaleón]

On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 16:10:04 -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:

> On Tuesday 27 April 2010 15:32:28 giovanni_re wrote:

(...)

>> Did ubuntu do something unwise with making use of UUIDs, & now they are
>> backtracking?  Did Debian do any of that?
> 
> The Lenny installer defaults to populating /etc/fstab with UUIDs, IIRC. 
> The Etch installer still just used device names.  UUIDs aren't directly
> related to HAL, although HAL can make use of them.

Just a side note. 

My Lenny installation defaulted to "/dev/sdax" nomenclature in both, "/
boot/grub/menu.lst" and "/etc/fstab". 

BTW, I installed GRUB legacy.

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Re: Questions about RAID 6

[Mark Allums]

Stan,
We are on the same wavelength, I do the same thing myself.  (Except that 
I go ahead and mirror swap.)  I love RAID 10.


MAA


On 4/28/2010 5:18 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:

Mark Allums put forth on 4/27/2010 10:31 PM:


For DIY, always pair those drives.  Consider RAID 10, RAID 50, RAID 60,
etc.  Alas, that doubles the number of drives, and intensely decreases
the MTBF, which is the whole outcome you want to avoid.


This is my preferred mdadm 4 drive setup for a light office server or home
media/vanity server.  Some minor setup details are omitted from the diagram
to keep it simple, such as the fact that /boot is a mirrored 100MB partition
set and that there are two non mirrored 1GB swap partitions.  / and /var are
mirrored partitions in the remaining first 30GB.  These sizes are arbitrary,
and can be seasoned to taste.  I find these sizes work fairly well for a non
GUI Debian server.

md raid, 4 x 500GB 7.2K rpm SATAII drives:

mirror   mirror
/\   /\
    3    3  
| /boot  | 0 | /boot  |  | swap1  | 0 | swap2  |
| /  | G | /  |  | /var   | G | /var   |
||   ||  ||   ||
| /home  |   | /home  |  | /home  |   | /home  |
| /samba |   | /samba |  | /samba |   | /samba |
| other  |   | other  |  | other  |   | other  |
||   ||  ||   ||
||   ||  ||   ||
    
\   \   /   /
  ---
 RAID 10
   940 GB NET

For approximately the same $$ outlay one could simply mirror two 1TB 7.2K
rpm drives and have the same usable space and a little less power draw.  The
4 drive RAID 10 setup will yield better read and write performance due to
the striping, especially under a multiuser workload, and especially for IMAP
serving of large mailboxen.  For a small/medium office server running say
Postfix/Dovecot/Samba/lighty+Roundcube webmail, a small intranet etc, the 4
drive setup would yield significantly better performance than the higher
capacity 2 drive setup.  Using Newegg's prices, each solution will run a
little below or above $200.

This 4 drive RAID 10 makes for a nice little inexpensive and speedy setup.
1TB of user space may not seem like much given the capacity of today's
drives, but most small/medium offices won't come close to using that much
space for a number of years, assuming you have sane email attachment policies.




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Re: downloaded .jnlp won't open

[Javier Barroso]

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 12:44 PM, John O Laoi  wrote:
> Is it possible to make this change permanent, or do I need to
>
>        echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv6/bindv6only
>
> every time I restart?
Configure it in /etc/sysctl.conf or in sid in /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf

You have to add or modify to read:
net.ipv6.bindv6only = 0

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downloaded .jnlp won't open

[John O Laoi]

Is it possible to make this change permanent, or do I need to

echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv6/bindv6only

every time I restart?

John


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Re: downloaded .jnlp won't open

[Chris Bannister]

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:01:45PM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> On Tuesday 27 April 2010 11:51:35 John O Laoi wrote:
> > > cat /proc/sys/net/ipv6/bindv6only
> > > if output is 1 then:
> > > echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv6/bindv6only
> > 
> > That fixed it.
> > 
> > Anybody know what was the problem?
> 
> Default kernel settings where changed.  Java applications and some other 
> applications are now binding to IPv6 only, instead of IPv4 and IPv6.  There's 
> an open bug about it, IIRC.
> 
> I think it was changed in order to allow communication to/from IPv4-embedded-
> in-IPv6 addresses over IPv6, which might be required from some environments 
> to 
> function correctly / optimally.  I'm very sketchy on the details because I 
> haven't hit the bug myself.

http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2010/04/threads.html#00422

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Re: Questions about RAID 6

[Stan Hoeppner]

Mark Allums put forth on 4/27/2010 10:31 PM:

> For DIY, always pair those drives.  Consider RAID 10, RAID 50, RAID 60,
> etc.  Alas, that doubles the number of drives, and intensely decreases
> the MTBF, which is the whole outcome you want to avoid.

This is my preferred mdadm 4 drive setup for a light office server or home
media/vanity server.  Some minor setup details are omitted from the diagram
to keep it simple, such as the fact that /boot is a mirrored 100MB partition
set and that there are two non mirrored 1GB swap partitions.  / and /var are
mirrored partitions in the remaining first 30GB.  These sizes are arbitrary,
and can be seasoned to taste.  I find these sizes work fairly well for a non
GUI Debian server.

md raid, 4 x 500GB 7.2K rpm SATAII drives:

mirror   mirror
/\   /\
   3    3  
| /boot  | 0 | /boot  |  | swap1  | 0 | swap2  |
| /  | G | /  |  | /var   | G | /var   |
||   ||  ||   ||
| /home  |   | /home  |  | /home  |   | /home  |
| /samba |   | /samba |  | /samba |   | /samba |
| other  |   | other  |  | other  |   | other  |
||   ||  ||   ||
||   ||  ||   ||
   
\   \   /   /
 ---
 RAID 10
   940 GB NET

For approximately the same $$ outlay one could simply mirror two 1TB 7.2K
rpm drives and have the same usable space and a little less power draw.  The
4 drive RAID 10 setup will yield better read and write performance due to
the striping, especially under a multiuser workload, and especially for IMAP
serving of large mailboxen.  For a small/medium office server running say
Postfix/Dovecot/Samba/lighty+Roundcube webmail, a small intranet etc, the 4
drive setup would yield significantly better performance than the higher
capacity 2 drive setup.  Using Newegg's prices, each solution will run a
little below or above $200.

This 4 drive RAID 10 makes for a nice little inexpensive and speedy setup.
1TB of user space may not seem like much given the capacity of today's
drives, but most small/medium offices won't come close to using that much
space for a number of years, assuming you have sane email attachment policies.

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Re: using umlaut works in console, not in Citrix client

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 09:35:51 +0200, Benedict Verheyen wrote:

> Thanks for the info.
> It's a client setting allright. I tried setting the keyboard layout but
> that doesn't work. I think the keyboard mapping (kbd file) isn't
> correct. Anyway, from Windows, i don't have that problem.

Curious...
 
> On Ubuntu, the situation is better, the native client has the same
> problem but when i try via the Citrix webinterface, then it works !

Mmm... is a java client?

> When i try the webinterface from Debian, that still doesn't work. If the
> Citrix webinterface works from Ubuntu, i should be able to fix it in
> Debian too.

Sure, if you are using the same client version (same package, coming from 
the same download site) it should also work in Debian.

Compare the settings in both programs (they should be stored anywere 
under your user's profile).

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Re: Installing 16GB CF card in HP 5700 terminal

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 10:18:44 +0200, Krzysztof Walkiewicz wrote:

> Thank you for your reply. Yes, this is a thin client. I solved the
> problem - it was a jumper that I needed to switch. 

Good :-)

> But now I have
> another problem:
> During booting I have an error:
> 
> dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x21

Bad :-(
 
> then, debian installer starts, byt after I set up partitions I get a
> message that system wasn't able to mount them.
> 
> I try to install the system (Debian Lenny) from USB stick, via SYSLINUX.
> Am I nedd to add "ide=nodma" to the syslinux.cfg file?
> 
> Maybe somebody had same problem?

It seems many people faced that problem (as a quick Google search 
suggests):



Sorry I cannot give you a "fine-grained" advice, I never encountered such 
a problem :-?

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Re: Questions about RAID 6

[Stan Hoeppner]

Mike Bird put forth on 4/26/2010 3:04 PM:
> On Mon April 26 2010 12:29:43 Stan Hoeppner wrote:
>> Mark Allums put forth on 4/26/2010 12:51 PM:
>>> Put four drives in a RAID 1, you can suffer a loss of three drives.
>>
>> And you'll suffer pretty abysmal write performance as well.
> 
> Write performance of RAID-1 is approximately as good as a simple drive,
> which is good enough for many applications.

That's simply not correct.  The number of operations the software RAID
driver performs is equal to the number of drives in the RAID1 set per
application I/O operation.  If the application writes one sector, 512 bytes,
then the RAID driver is going to write 2048 bytes in 4 I/O transfers, one
512 byte write to each disk.  The RAID driver code will loop 4 times instead
of once on a single drive setup, once per physical I/O, quadrupling the
amount of code executed in additional to a quadrupling of the physical I/O
transfers to the platters.

On a sufficiently fast system that is not loaded, the user will likely see
no performance degradation, especially given Linux' buffered I/O
architecture.  However, on a loaded system, such as a transactional database
server or busy ftp upload server, such a RAID setup will bring the system to
its knees in short order as the CPU overhead for each 'real' disk I/O is now
increased 4x and the physical I/O bandwidth is increased 4x.

>> Also keep in mind that some software RAID implementations allow more than
>> two drives in RAID 1, most often called a "mirror set".  However, I don't
>> know of any hardware RAID controllers that allow more than 2 drives in a
>> RAID 1.  RAID 10 yields excellent fault tolerance and a substantial boost
>> to read and write performance.  Anyone considering a 4 disk mirror set
>> should do RAID 10 instead.
> 
> Some of my RAIDs are N-way RAID-1 because of the superior read performance.

If you perform some actual benchmarks you'll notice that the Linux RAID1
read performance boost is negligible, and very highly application dependent,
regardless of the number of drives.  The RAID1 driver code isn't optimized
for parallel reads.  It's mildly opportunistic at best.

Don't take my word for it, Google for "Linux software RAID performance" or
similar.  What you find should be eye opening.

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Re: Installing 16GB CF card in HP 5700 terminal

[Krzysztof Walkiewicz]

W dniu 2010-04-28 09:46, Camaleón pisze:

On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 15:36:26 +0200, Krzysztof Walkiewicz wrote:


I try to install 16GB CF card in HP 5700 terminal via IDE cable and
adapter IDE--->CF. The problem is, that BIOS doesn't see this card.


Is that a "thin client"?

The BIOS should not see/detect the card "per-se" (adapter device is
handled transparently by the system) but in a normal situation¹ you
should be able to boot from IDE devices -whatever IDE bus has attached on
it-, is that is your goal.

I would ask HP about this. You may need a special/concrete adapter or
juts it is not even an option.

Also, check is the adapter is "in good shape" and works in another system.

¹ Normal situation: I mean, using a standard BIOS/motherboard. HP -as
many integrators do- modify/adapt computer BIOS to play nice with their
systems. Being this a "thin client", I would expect even a more
integration performed by the manufacturer.

Greetings,


Hi,
Thank you for your reply. Yes, this is a thin client. I solved the 
problem - it was a jumper that I needed to switch.

But now I have another problem:
During booting I have an error:

dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x21


then, debian installer starts, byt after I set up partitions I get a 
message that system wasn't able to mount them.


I try to install the system (Debian Lenny) from USB stick, via SYSLINUX.
Am I nedd to add "ide=nodma" to the syslinux.cfg file?

Maybe somebody had same problem?

Krzysztof


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Re: Installing 16GB CF card in HP 5700 terminal

[Camaleón]

On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 15:36:26 +0200, Krzysztof Walkiewicz wrote:

> I try to install 16GB CF card in HP 5700 terminal via IDE cable and
> adapter IDE--->CF. The problem is, that BIOS doesn't see this card.

Is that a "thin client"?

The BIOS should not see/detect the card "per-se" (adapter device is 
handled transparently by the system) but in a normal situation¹ you 
should be able to boot from IDE devices -whatever IDE bus has attached on 
it-, is that is your goal.

I would ask HP about this. You may need a special/concrete adapter or 
juts it is not even an option.

Also, check is the adapter is "in good shape" and works in another system.

¹ Normal situation: I mean, using a standard BIOS/motherboard. HP -as 
many integrators do- modify/adapt computer BIOS to play nice with their 
systems. Being this a "thin client", I would expect even a more 
integration performed by the manufacturer.

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Re: using umlaut works in console, not in Citrix client

[Benedict Verheyen]

On 27/04/2010 21:18, Camaleón wrote:

On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 17:38:32 +0200, Benedict Verheyen wrote:




I know nothing about Citrix client O:-), but found this forum thread:

***
french keyboard layout Problem using german characters
http://forums.citrix.com/thread.jspa?threadID=252710&tstart=0
***

Using the same client version (v11) and having a same (similar?) issue.
The only difference is that the user seems to be using a windows version
of the Citrix client.

Have you checked if there is a newer version of the Citrix client? :-?

Also, in this¹ FAQ says:

***
Incorrect keystrokes are displayed when I use the keyboard

If you are using a non-English language keyboard, the screen display may
not match the keyboard input. In this case, you should specify the
keyboard type and layout that you are using. For more information about
specifying keyboards, see Configuring Keyboard Options, Alert Sounds, and
Digital Dictation Support.
***

¹

Greetings,


Thanks for the info.
It's a client setting allright. I tried setting the keyboard layout but
that doesn't work. I think the keyboard mapping (kbd file) isn't correct.
Anyway, from Windows, i don't have that problem.

On Ubuntu, the situation is better, the native client has the same problem
but when i try via the Citrix webinterface, then it works !

When i try the webinterface from Debian, that still doesn't work.
If the Citrix webinterface works from Ubuntu, i should be able to fix it in 
Debian too.

Regards,
Benedict




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