Re: Verify AOO 4.0.1 Release Candidate - Please verify resolved language bugs(show stopper)

[Shenfeng Liu]

Also forward to L10N group.


2013/9/16 Yuzhen Fan 

> Dear all,
>
> Lots of language bugs are prioritized as 4.0.1 show stoppers and they have
> already been resolved. Please locate your interested bugs in below list[1]
> and do verification as soon as possible, your help means much to this
> release candidate!
>
> Quick steps on how to do:
> 1. Work on the Language bugs: Product is "Native-LANG"
> 2. Change the "Status:" from "RESOLVED" to "VERIFIED" and add the comment.
>
> [1]
>
> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=4.0.1_release_blocker%2B%3F&sharer_id=18&list_id=89656
>
> Regards,
> Yu Zhen
>

Re: [VOTE]: Release Apache OpenOffice 4.0.1 (RC3)

[Shenfeng Liu]

2013/9/25 Oliver-Rainer Wittmann 

> Hi,
>
> resending as my "reply to list" goes only to qa@o.a.o
>
>
> On 25.09.2013 12:17, Yuzhen Fan wrote:
>
>> -1:
>>
>> I vote -1 for RC3 because of these 3 issues, the first two are function
>> regressions from 3.4.1 and 4.0.0, the last one is for bad user experience
>> on Redhat 64bit installation.
>>
>> Bug 123345 - [Regression]Docx embedded table display incorrectly
>> Bug 123346 - [Regression]the bullet display incorrectly when open docx
>> file
>> in AOO
>> Bug 123348 - Cannot integrate AOO 4.0.0 in desktop menu in Redhat6.4 64bit
>>
>>
> I can confirm that 123345 and 123346 are regressions which had been
> introduced in AOO 4.0.0
>
> On the one hand I agree that regressions introduced in the latest release
> should be fixed in the next release.
> On the other hand we are already quite far in our planned AOO 4.0.1
> release schedule and AOO401rc3 contains a lot of important bug fixes and
> improvements regarding our supported languages. Thus, I strongly vote for
> releasing AOO401rc3 as AOO 4.0.1 under these circumstances.
> From my point of view 123345 and 123346 should be release blocker for our
> next release.
>
> Regarding issue 123348:
> As far as I know this issue is not new and already known. I think a
> workaround exist. Thus, for me this is not a release blocker.
>
> Yu Zhen, do you think you can change your mind regarding your vote?
>
>
> Best regards, Oliver.
>

IMO, if we have quick solution for 123345 and 123346, and the impact is
limited, I'd rather to wait for 3~4 more days a RC4. And the testing and
voting for RC3 can be inherited. For a quality release, ideally our target
should be no regression.
If it is difficult to give a save fix quickly and the issues are only about
special samples, we can consider to defer them to next release.
Just my $0.02.

- Shenfeng (Simon)



>
>
>
>> Regards,
>> Yu Zhen
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Herbert Duerr  wrote:
>>
>>  this is a call for vote on releasing the RC3 release candidate as
>>>
 Apache OpenOffice 4.0.1. This will be an important update release for
 Apache OpenOffice 4.0 to fix some serious regressions and to introduce
 some new languages (Basque, Khmer, Lithuaian, Polish, Serbian Cyrillic,
 Swedish, Turkish, Vietnamese and Chinese Traditional). It is a further
 key milestone to continue the success of OpenOffice.
 [...]

 The RC is based on the release branch AOO401, revision 1524958!

 Please vote on releasing this package as Apache OpenOffice 4.0.1.
 [...]

  [ ] +1 Release this package as Apache OpenOffice 4.0.1
  [ ]  0 Don't care
  [ ] -1 Do not release this package because...


>>> +1 : release AOO401rc3 (a.k.a. r1524958) as Apache OpenOffice 4.0.1
>>>
>>> Herbert
>>>
>>>
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Re: AOO 4 unusable under Linux64?

[Shenfeng Liu]

Rainer,
  It 123348 the issue you met?

- Shenfeng (Simon)


2013/9/29 Rainer Bielefeld 

> Hi all,
>
> Edwin Sharp and some other users found several bugs [1] under Linux64, in
> summary the conclusion seems to be that AOO currently is more or less
> unusable with Linux 64.
>
> Can some developers please have a look?
>
> Best regards
>
> Rainer
>
>
> Used Hyperlinks:
> [1]  20creation]&chfieldfrom=-360d&**chfieldto=Now&columnlist=**
> product%2Ccomponent%**2Cassigned_to%2Cbug_status%**
> 2Cresolution%2Cshort_desc%**2Cchangeddate%2Cversion%**
> 2Copendate%2Creporter&f1=op_**sys&list_id=93343&o1=**
> substring&op_sys=Linux64&**query_format=advanced&**resolution=---&v1=linux
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Re: [VOTE]: Release Apache OpenOffice 4.0.1 (RC3)

[Shenfeng Liu]

2013/9/30 Andrea Pescetti 

> On 25/09/2013 janI wrote:
>
>> I find it disturbing that, 4.0 was postponed due to QA issues, and we even
>> made a blog about it. 4.0.1 goes out despite a public rejection from QA.
>>
>
> The rejection was then retracted, so this isn't an issue any longer, but
> still it deserves some comments.
>
> We won't make a release just because it's time to release: we will
> promptly delay a release if some serious bugs are found at any point in the
> process. OpenOffice[.org] 3.3.0 had 10 Release Candidates.
>
> But the later we are in the process, the most serious a bug must be to be
> considered a release blocker. This is the only way to avoid that a release
> is perpetually postponed. It would be very good that the report from QA
> comes before the final vote, so that the biggest part of QA efforts is
> concentrated in the early RC stage and we still have time to study and
> apply fixes.
>
> When we are at the last voting day, blocking a release because of three
> bugs of minor-medium impact (2 are minor display bugs in DOCX import and
> one isn't an OpenOffice bug but a conflict due to one distribution's
> packaging choice) does not sound reasonable. We should try and get more
> volunteers involved with QA at an early stage, and possibly prepare RC2
> only when we have a full QA report for RC1 and have discussed all possible
> stoppers.
>

Andrea,
  Totally agree with you!
  While it really takes time to complete a testing with satisfiable
coverage for the big product as AOO. And it takes time to analyze and judge
the impact of the defects found. Then time needed depends on how many
people will participate. IMO Yu Zhen and our QE community did good job in
4.0.1. While I really hope we can have more and more volunteers.
  So I wonder if we should define it as a process that we must wait for the
testing to complete before we close the RC vote? It is reasonable to me,
because personally I don't know how to vote without knowing the overall
quality assessment result of the build.

- Shenfeng (Simon)




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>   Andrea.
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Re: [CWiki] new default access rights active

[Shenfeng Liu]

Andrea,
  Please also add me. I want to update the Chinese release notes.

username: liushenf
full name: Shenfeng Liu

  Thanks!

- Shenfeng (Simon)



2013/10/10 Yakov Reztsov 

>
> Нello,
> My username in the Wiki is: Yakov
>
> can someone please assign editing rights to me.
>
>   --
> Greetings,
> Yakov Reztsov
>
>
>
>

Re: [RELEASE 4.0.1][Product Update Notification Service] updated XML feeds for the former versions to be notified about version 4.0.1

[Shenfeng Liu]

2013/10/2 Oliver-Rainer Wittmann 

> Hi,
>
> last status update before going live in about 2-3 hours.
>
> Native language landing pages for update notification according to the
> given feedback will be:
> - Czech
>
> - Dutch
> - French
> - German
> - Italian
> - Japanese
> - Spanish
> - Slovak
>
> As I got not feedback for:
>
> - Chinese (simplified)
> - Chinese (traditional)
> I will switch back to the default download site for these two.
>

Oliver,
  Sorry for the late response due to the long Chinese National Holidays.
  I fixed the Simplified Chinese download page:
http://www.openoffice.org/zh-cn/download/

- Shenfeng (Simon)



>
>
> Whenever a native language landing page for the update notification
> becomes available, we integrate it into the update notification XML feeds.
> Thus, just send a post to dev@o.a.o and I (or somebody else) perform the
> change.
>
>
> Best regards, Oliver.
>
>
> On 30.09.2013 14:59, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Status update and open questions!!!
>>
>> Got feedback for
>> - Dutch
>> - German
>> - Italian
>> - Spanish
>> - Slovak
>>
>> German, Italian and Spanish landing pages will be fine as I am being told.
>>
>> Dutch landing page links to the default download page, but it talks
>> about version 4.0.0.
>> Will this be changed for AOO 4.0.1 release?
>>
>> Slovak landing page rework landing page is in progress.
>> Will it be finished right after the AOO 4.0.1 release?
>>
>>
>>
>> Missing feedback for
>> - Chinese (simplified)
>> - Chinese (traditional)
>> - French
>> - Japanese
>>
>> Chinese (simplified) landing page looks ok, but links to download page
>> which does not show a download link at least in my environment (Win 7
>> 64bit, English, Firefox)
>> Are there changes needed for AOO 4.0.1 release?
>>
>> Chinese (traditional) landing page looks ok, but links to
>> http://www.openoffice.org/**download/other-341.htmlfor
>>  the download as
>> far as I can see.
>> Is there a change in progress for AOO 4.0.1 release?
>>
>> I have given the wrong link for the French landing page - it is
>> http://www.openoffice.org/fr/**Telecharger
>> French landing page links to AOO 4.0.0 packages.
>> Is there a change in progress for AOO 4.0.1 release?
>> My posts still did not reach users-fr@o.a.o - I do not see them in the
>> mailing archive.
>>
>> Japanese landing page links to sub page with links to AOO 4.0.0 packages.
>> Is there a change in progress for AOO 4.0.1 release?
>>
>>
>> Please provide feedback - Thanks in advance.
>>
>>
>> Best regards, Oliver.
>>
>>
>> On 27.09.2013 10:27, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> On 20.09.2013 14:03, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:
>>>
 Hi,

 forgive me for writing in English, but this post goes to several native
 language mailing lists and to dev@o.a.o and l10n@o.a.o.

 I am currently preparing the update of the XML feeds for our product
 update notification service for former OpenOffice versions (3.2.0,
 3.2.1, 3.3.0, 3.4.0, 3.4.1, 4.0.0) in order to enable the notification
 about new version 4.0.1

 For most of the languages the user is directed by the update
 notification to our main download side [1].
 For the following languages the user is directed to the corresponding
 native languages page:
 - Chinese (simplified)
 - Chinese (traditional)
 - Dutch
 - French
 - German
 - Italian
 - Japanese
 - Slovak
 - Spanish

 IMPORTANT:
 Please drop me a short note, when the corresponding native langauge
 pages has been updated after version 4.0.1 has been released
 OR
 drop me a short note, when no update to the native language page is
 needed.


>>> So far, I got feedback for
>>> - German
>>> - Spanish
>>>
>>> Looking at the mail archives of general-ja@o.a.o, progetto-it@o.a.o and
>>> users-fr@o.a.o reveals that my post did not reach the corresponding
>>> mailing list.
>>> Request to the corresponding mailing list moderators/admins: Could you
>>> please check, why my post did not reach the mailing list.
>>>
>>> I will now check the landing pages for the following languages. If from
>>> my point of view the page needs to be updated for AOO 4.0.1 release and
>>> if I got no feedback, I will change the download landing page for these
>>> languages to the default download page to avoid user confusion.
>>> - Chinese (simplified)
>>>  http://www.openoffice.org/zh-**cn 
>>> - Chinese (traditional)
>>>  http://www.openoffice.org/zh-**tw 
>>> - Dutch
>>>  
>>> http://www.openoffice.org/nl/**downloaden.html
>>> - French
>>>  
>>> http://www.openoffice.org/es/**descargar
>>> - Italian
>>>  http://www.openoffice.org/it
>>> - Japanese
>>>  h

Re: [CWiki] new default access rights active

[Shenfeng Liu]

2013/10/11 Andrea Pescetti 

> Shenfeng Liu wrote:
>
>> Please also add me. I want to update the Chinese release notes.
>>
>
> Whitelisted:
>
> ~liushenf Shenfeng Liu
>

Got, it. Thanks, Andrea !

- Shenfeng (Simon)



>
> ~yak (Yakov [Reztsov]) - note it's "yak" not "yakov"
>
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
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Re: Link to Windows SDK 4.0.1 is broken

[Shenfeng Liu]

Henry,
  Do you mean the link:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/4.0.1/binaries/SDK/Apache_OpenOffice-SDK_4.0.1_Win_x86_install_en-US.exe
?
  From the page: http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html  ?
  I just tried it and downloaded it successfully.

- Shenfeng (Simon)



2013/10/18 Polk, Henry 

> Hi. Just want to let you know when I click on download link to Windows
> SDK 4.0.1, web servers reports there is no such file.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> Henry Polk | CVS|Caremark Corp | Advisor Technical, Dispensing
> Automation Team | cell 224-436-1432 | office 847-484-9306 | 2100 E.Lake
> Cook Rd, Buffalo Grove, IL, 60089 | hp...@caremark.com
> 
>
>
>
>

Time to start 4.1 planning?

[Shenfeng Liu]

Hi, all,
  It was one month since 4.0.1 release. And I noticed some some great works
are going to be delivered soon. e.g. the IA2 framework from Steve, the Mac
64-bit support from Herbert, and Windows Patch mechanism from Andre.

  So I'm thinking, is it a good time to start the 4.1 plan now? We should
deliver those great value to our users through a formal release ASAP! And
IMO, even only the 3 items above can be enough for a release to be called
4.1. We also want to do OOXML improvement by integrating OSBA patches, and
enhance user experience like in-place Input Field, and many other things...
While, I think we can keep the continuous improvement across releases. From
the record breaking download number since 4.0 and 4.0.1, I feel that
keeping regular release is very important to response to our users, attract
more new comers, and bring this product to success.

  So I suggest we start the 4.1 plan now, and set a target date. Since 4.0
was in July, 4.0.1 was in Oct, I feel some time in 1Q will be a good time
for 4.1.

  I suggest to update the 4.1 planning wiki[1] and:
(1) Set the target date.
(2) Clean up the planning list, starting from leaving only the active
items, and moving the rest to project backlog[2].

  Any suggestion/comments?


[1]
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1+Release+Planning
[2] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Project+Blog


- Shenfeng (Simon)

Re: Time to start 4.1 planning?

[Shenfeng Liu]

2013/11/12 Rob Weir 

> On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 3:21 PM, Marcus (OOo) 
> wrote:
> > Am 11/11/2013 04:12 PM, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt:
> >
> >> On 11/11/13 3:59 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 3:32 AM, Shenfeng Liu
>  wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi, all,
> >>>>It was one month since 4.0.1 release. And I noticed some some great
> >>>> works
> >>>> are going to be delivered soon. e.g. the IA2 framework from Steve, the
> >>>> Mac
> >>>> 64-bit support from Herbert, and Windows Patch mechanism from Andre.
> >>>>
> >>>>So I'm thinking, is it a good time to start the 4.1 plan now? We
> >>>> should
> >>>> deliver those great value to our users through a formal release ASAP!
> >>>> And
> >>>> IMO, even only the 3 items above can be enough for a release to be
> >>>> called
> >>>> 4.1. We also want to do OOXML improvement by integrating OSBA patches,
> >>>> and
> >>>> enhance user experience like in-place Input Field, and many other
> >>>> things...
> >>>> While, I think we can keep the continuous improvement across releases.
> >>>> From
> >>>> the record breaking download number since 4.0 and 4.0.1, I feel that
> >>>> keeping regular release is very important to response to our users,
> >>>> attract
> >>>> more new comers, and bring this product to success.
> >>>>
> >>>>So I suggest we start the 4.1 plan now, and set a target date.
> Since
> >>>> 4.0
> >>>> was in July, 4.0.1 was in Oct, I feel some time in 1Q will be a good
> >>>> time
> >>>> for 4.1.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Hi Simon,
> >>>
> >>> Something to think about:   After 4.0.0 we discussed having a public
> >>> beta with out next major release.  If we think this is worth doing,
> >>> then we should plan on two dates:  1) A public beta data, and 2) a
> >>> final release date.   For the beta to be useful I think we would want
> >>> it to last 3-4 weeks, enough time to process any new bug reports,
> >>> identify any critical regressions, and fix them.
> >>
> >>
> >> 4 weeks between both is a minimum form my pov
> >>
> >> But having a beta is of course the route we should take.
> >
> >
> > What about taking into account to keep the possibility to release a
> second
> > Beta version? It can include fixes for the most nasty and prominent bugs.
> >
>
> Well, hopefully we do some amount of testing before we have a beta.
> So the goal should be for the beta to have no "nasty and prominent"
> bugs.  The beta is a form of insurance and a way of setting
> expectations.
>
> For example, I think these two scenarios are technically equivalent:
>
> a) release 4.1.0 after normal testing
>
> b) release 4.1.1 to fix major bugs that we missed in 4.1.0 testing.
>
> and
>
> a') release 4.1.0 beta after normal testing
>
> b') release 4.1.0 GA after fixing important bugs found in beta
>
> These are technically the same, and take approximately the same amount
> of time.  The difference is in user expectations.  A "beta"
> designation tells the cautious user to avoid it.  It encourages users
> who are willing to take more risk and help us by giving feedback.  It
> also helps preserve the brand reputation by ensuring that the actual
> GA releases are high quality.
>
> (If we're not careful the users will develop a sense to avoid all
> x.y.0 releases, believing them to be low quality.  Other products have
> run into that problem, even with x.y.1 and x.y.2 releases.  I think it
> is better if we can avoid having that kind of reputation.)
>
> A 2nd beta might be necessary in some rare cases, but I think in most
> cases we fix the critical bugs found in the beta and just do normal
> re-testing of those areas in a Release Candidate.
>
>
Hi, Rob,
  I think a public beta is a good idea!
  After the 4.1 feature development and related FVT completed, I think we
kick off a beta testing which cover the major function areas, then announce
the 4.1 beta.
  Then we run the Full Regression Test and monitor the beta feedback, from
4.0 experience the Full Regression Test will take at least 4 weeks, depends
on the number of volunteers. Then the end game critical fix and RC build
testing for 4.1.

- Shenfeng (Simon)



> Regards,
&g

Re: Reporting a problem with the OpenOffice website

[Shenfeng Liu]

2013/11/11 Ian Lynch 

> Apache Open Office is not Microsoft Office. We make it as compatible as we
> possibly can but since MS does not tell us exactly how it organises its
> data that is not always easy. I don't think anyone has ever claimed
> OpenOffice to be able to provide complex MS documents with 100% fidelity.
>
>From the original mail, I'm not quite sure if the reported is about AOO's
interoperability issue to MS Office format, or MS Office's interoperability
issue to ODF format...


> If you draw your diagrams in a drawing program as opposed to a word
> processor you will find it more efficient. Then you can put the diagrams
> into the WP document as .pngs without much risk of things going astray.
>
>
> On 10 November 2013 21:30, Marouf Ahmed  wrote:
>
> > I finished my coursework on Open Office with great difficulty. I have
> > outrageously angry with the software it took me half an hour to sort out
> > images in my coursework. When I opened the document in Microsoft word
> > viewer (as my school uses Microsoft office) all my coursework had messed
> up
> > I was furious to find that the call outs that I used in open office did
> not
> > appear on Microsoft office and that some images had got out of place, it
> > had also rearranged my diagram.
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from Windows Mail
>
>
>
>
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Re: Time to start 4.1 planning?

[Shenfeng Liu]

I just updated the 4.1 planning wiki[1]:
(1) I added the section of "Proposed Release Schedule", including the beta.
But I left most of the milestones .
(2) I created a wiki page of "AOO Feature Enhancement Backlog"[2], and left
only those active items (per my reading from the dev list) in 4.1, but
moved the rest to this backlog.

  Any comments are welcome!

[1]
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1+Release+Planning
[2]
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+Feature+Enhancement+Backlog


- Shenfeng (Simon)




2013/11/13 Marcus (OOo) 

> Am 11/12/2013 10:36 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
>
>  On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Marcus (OOo)
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> Am 11/11/2013 10:33 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
>>>
>>>  On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 3:21 PM, Marcus (OOo)
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 11/11/2013 04:12 PM, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt:
>>>>>
>>>>>  On 11/11/13 3:59 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 3:32 AM, Shenfeng Liu
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi, all,
>>>>>>>>  It was one month since 4.0.1 release. And I noticed some some
>>>>>>>> great
>>>>>>>> works
>>>>>>>> are going to be delivered soon. e.g. the IA2 framework from Steve,
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> Mac
>>>>>>>> 64-bit support from Herbert, and Windows Patch mechanism from Andre.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  So I'm thinking, is it a good time to start the 4.1 plan now?
>>>>>>>> We
>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>> deliver those great value to our users through a formal release
>>>>>>>> ASAP!
>>>>>>>> And
>>>>>>>> IMO, even only the 3 items above can be enough for a release to be
>>>>>>>> called
>>>>>>>> 4.1. We also want to do OOXML improvement by integrating OSBA
>>>>>>>> patches,
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> enhance user experience like in-place Input Field, and many other
>>>>>>>> things...
>>>>>>>> While, I think we can keep the continuous improvement across
>>>>>>>> releases.
>>>>>>>> From
>>>>>>>> the record breaking download number since 4.0 and 4.0.1, I feel that
>>>>>>>> keeping regular release is very important to response to our users,
>>>>>>>> attract
>>>>>>>> more new comers, and bring this product to success.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  So I suggest we start the 4.1 plan now, and set a target date.
>>>>>>>> Since
>>>>>>>> 4.0
>>>>>>>> was in July, 4.0.1 was in Oct, I feel some time in 1Q will be a good
>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>> for 4.1.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Simon,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Something to think about:   After 4.0.0 we discussed having a public
>>>>>>> beta with out next major release.  If we think this is worth doing,
>>>>>>> then we should plan on two dates:  1) A public beta data, and 2) a
>>>>>>> final release date.   For the beta to be useful I think we would want
>>>>>>> it to last 3-4 weeks, enough time to process any new bug reports,
>>>>>>> identify any critical regressions, and fix them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 4 weeks between both is a minimum form my pov
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But having a beta is of course the route we should take.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What about taking into account to keep the possibility to release a
>>>>> second
>>>>> Beta version? It can include fixes for the most nasty and prominent
>>>>> bugs.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Well, hopefully we do some amount of t

Re: Media Wiki Proxy Error

[Shenfeng Liu]

2013/11/13 Graham Lauder 

> I'm having issues editing the Media wiki, I keep getting a 502 error.
>
> Everything works up 'til the "submit" process.
>
> Error as follows:
>
>
> Proxy Error
>
> The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server.
> The proxy server could not handle the request POST /w/index.php.
>
> Reason: Error reading from remote server
>
I met the same issue when editing cwiki today. Tried several times, and the
last try worked...

- Shenfeng (Simon)



>
> Does this need an infra@ post or a bugzilla issue?
>
> Cheers
> GL
>

Re: Apache OpenOffice 4.1 to Bring Enhanced Accessibility Support

[Shenfeng Liu]

2013/11/16 Herbert Duerr 

> On 15.11.2013 17:06, V Stuart Foote wrote:
>
>> Rob,
>>
>> Great news! Great blog post--subtle ;-)
>>
>> On a side bar, I see that Herbert and Oliver are hard at work correcting
>> build issues for Steve's rev 1541847 integration done yesterday, getting
>> the
>> new IAccessible2 bridge to build cleanly on trunk is obviously now the
>> priority.   But when someone gets a chance there are several source files
>> from the merge that will need to have ALv2 headers inserted--don't want
>> the
>> down stream folks to complain too loudly...
>>
>
> Good point, thanks for finding it!
>
> I fixed the license headers to the ALv2 as intended and moved the SNAPSHOT
> tag to the new revision. The next SNAPSHOT build is expected to be ready
> for downloading and testing next Monday evening.
>
> Have a great weekend and have fun with the next SNAPSHOT build!
>

Great blog! And Great work!
I also translated this blog to Chinese:
http://www.openoffice.org/zh-cn/news/IA2.html . Hoping we can attract more
Chinese volunteers through this translation. :)

- Shenfeng (Simon)



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Re: openoffice fuck u

[Shenfeng Liu]

您好！

很遗憾你在使用过程中遇到了问题。我们很希望能够帮助你，不知你能否更详细地描述一下你遇到的问题？比如是哪个版本的OpenOffice？在什么操作平台上？是什么样的文件？（如果不涉及机密或隐私，能否将文件发过来，我们可以具体看一下？）
谢谢！

- Shenfeng (Simon)


在 2013年11月19日下午7:11， 写道：

>
> 马勒戈壁开发些垃圾东西，害的老子辛苦一天的工作白费了，你们垃圾吧东西搞不好就别，鸡巴识别不了中文别他马用问代替啊，搞的老子会都恢复不了，你们垃圾的一笔，早地去死吧
>
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Re: review requested: [Bug 21280] when cut/copy rows/columns & paste-special, shift down/right options are disabled incorrectly : [Attachment 82276] fix patch

[Shenfeng Liu]

Juergen,
  I just updated with a new patch, which I did UT with multiple copy/cut
and shift down / shift right situation. Please help to review if you have
time.
  It is my first time to do patch, so please tell me if I did any thing
wrong.
  Thanks very much!


- Shenfeng (Simon)


2014/1/14 Jürgen Schmidt 

> On 1/14/14 9:44 AM, bugzi...@apache.org wrote:
> > Shenfeng Liu  has asked Shenfeng Liu <
> liush...@gmail.com>
> > for review:
> > Bug 21280: when cut/copy rows/columns & paste-special, shift down/right
> options
> > are disabled incorrectly
> > https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=21280
> >
> > Attachment 82276: fix patch
> > https://issues.apache.org/ooo/attachment.cgi?id=82276&action=edit
>
> I will take a look in it ...
>
> Juergen
>
> >
> >
> > --- Additional Comments from Shenfeng Liu 
> > A patch that corrected the logical to enable shift down and shift right
> radio
> > buttons when cut whole row or whole column.
> >
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Re: Contribute code for OOXML export

[Shenfeng Liu]

+1
It is a feature on top of the requirement list per AOO's early survey.
Let's start!

- Shenfeng (Simon)



2014/1/23 Andrea Pescetti 

> On 22/01/2014 Clarence GUO wrote:
>
>> We have some pilot code for enabling OOXML export, developed
>> by De Bin, Jian Yuan, Sun Ying, Jin Long... Although it still has some
>> ways
>> to go before ready for production, we'd like to contribute it first to AOO
>>
>
> Very good news! Even if ODF remains the native and preferred format, users
> regularly asked for better OOXML interoperability. I agree this should stay
> in a branch and not integrated/released until it reaches the quality users
> expect from OpenOffice.
>
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
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Re: Newbie to openoffice

[Shenfeng Liu]

Kamini,
  Sorry for the late response. It is Chinese New Year Holidays this week,
so I believe Liu Ping is enjoying her vacation now.
  Please go to: http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/#winsnap and
install Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.0_Win_x86_install_.exe_.exe (
e.g. Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.0_Win_x86_install_en-US.exe_1560773.exe ).

- Shenfeng (Simon)



2014-02-02 Kamini Bonde :

> Hi ,
> I have created   account on test link and my id is -ambitious.k
> Also have created account on apache bugzilla .
> I have a couple of queries here.
> 1] Do I need to introduce to qa team.
> 2] What should i install on my windows7 to study the application
> openoffice. Link??
>
> Thanks
> Kamini.
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 4:52 PM, Liu Ping  wrote:
>
> > Hi, KAMINI
> >
> > Welcome to join in QA team
> >
> > If you have interest on AOO 4.1  FVT, please send your platform and
> > Testlink ID (if you haven't a Testlink account, you can register
> > one[1]), and I will assign test cases to you.
> > You should also get installation sets from dev snapshot [2] and report
> > issues in Bugzilla [3]
> >
> > [1]http://aootesting.adfinis-sygroup.org/index.php
> > [2]http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/#linsnap
> > [3] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/
> >
> > Thank you!
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 5:21 PM, Kamini Bonde  >wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >> I am kamini from India.I am an engineering graduate and have been
> working
> >> in the field of software Testing since 5 years. I found openoffice to be
> >> quite exciting as its an open source application development. Looking
> >> forward to join the QA team so I learn more on testing and an
> opportunity
> >> to work with people around the globe.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Kamini.
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> With Regards,
> Kamini Bonde
>

Re: Call for testing on mail merge

[Shenfeng Liu]

  Forward to QA group. I tried in the Option dialog, OpenOffice Writer ->
Mail Merge E-mail, and the Test Setting always fail on "Find outgoing mail
server".
  Can any one help to confirm?
  Thanks!

- Shenfeng (Simon)



2014-02-12 12:35 GMT+08:00 Steve Yin :

> Hi,
>
> I found I cannot connect to any smtp server with any correct settings. Does
> anyone use mail merge successfully on the latest version? I'm not sure it
> is a bug on this function. Let's start to test on it now.
>
> --
> Best Regards,
>
> Steve Yin
>

Re: [VOTE]: Release Apache OpenOffice 4.1.0 Beta (RC)

[Shenfeng Liu]

+1


2014-03-06 16:55 GMT+08:00 Jürgen Schmidt :

> Hi all,
>
> this is a call for vote on releasing the available release candidate
> (RC) as Apache OpenOffice 4.1.0 Beta. The Beta release is intended to
> reach more early adopters and to receive more valuable feedback to
> improve potentially critical areas for the final release.
>
> Apache OpenOffice 4.1 is a minor update with many bugfixes and at least
> 2 major improvements. It's the first version where we have the
> iAccessibility2 support integrated and available. A very huge step
> forward to reach and better support disabled users especially on
> Windows. The second improvement is the switch to 64 bit on MacOS. A long
> and overdue "must do" shift forward to support newer APIs (replace
> deprecated APIs)  and platforms on MacOS.
> And we can provide again more complete UI translations and have now
> support for 37 languages. New languages for this release compared to
> 4.0.1 are Bulgarian, Danish, Hindi, Norwegian Bokmal and Thai.
>
> Apache OpenOffice 4.1 will be a further key milestone to continue the
> success of OpenOffice.
>
> An overview of release issues can be found under:
>
>
> http://people.apache.org/~jsc/developer-snapshots/snapshot/AOO4.1.0_Beta_fixes.html
>
> The release candidate artifacts (1) (source release, as well as binary
> releases for 37 languages) and further information how to verify and
> review Apache OpenOffice 4.1.0 Beta can be found on the following wiki
> page:
>
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds
>
> The RC is based on the release branch AOO410, revision 1573601! And a
> fresh and clean RAT scan output of this revision can be found under
>
>
> http://people.apache.org/~jsc/developer-snapshots/snapshot/AOO4.1.0_RAT_Scan.html
>
> Please vote on releasing this package as Apache OpenOffice 4.1.0 Beta
>
> The vote starts now and will be open until:
>
>Sunday evening, 9 March: 2014-03-09 11:00pm UTC.
>
> But we invite all people to vote (non binding) on this RC. We would like
> to provide a release that is supported by the majority of our project
> members.
>
>[ ] +1 Release this package as Apache OpenOffice 4.1.0 Beta
>[ ]  0 Don't care
>[ ] -1 Do not release this package because...
>
>
>
> (1) the upload for the Linux 32 bit artifacts is still ongoing, but 64
> bit is already available.
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Re: [VOTE]: Release Apache OpenOffice 4.1.0 (RC2)

[Shenfeng Liu]

-1 for RC2.
For the defect I just found:
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=124639
It is a new regression defect.

- Shenfeng (Simon)



2014-04-08 17:00 GMT+08:00 Jürgen Schmidt :

>  Hi all,
>
> this is a call for vote on releasing the available release candidate
> (RC2) as Apache OpenOffice 4.1.0.
>
> Apache OpenOffice 4.1 is a minor update with many bugfixes and at least
> 2 major improvements. It's the first version where we have the
> iAccessibility2 support integrated and available. A very huge step
> forward to reach and better support disabled users especially on
> Windows. The second improvement is the switch to 64 bit on MacOS. A long
> and overdue "must do" shift forward to support newer APIs (replace
> deprecated APIs)  and platforms on MacOS.
> And we can provide again more complete UI translations and have now
> support for 38 languages. New languages for this release compared to
> 4.0.1 are Bulgarian, Danish, Hebrew, Hindi, Norwegian Bokmal and Thai.
>
> Apache OpenOffice 4.1 will be a further key milestone to continue the
> success of OpenOffice.
>
> An overview of the integrated release issues can be found under:
>
> http://people.apache.org/~jsc/milestones/4.1.0-rc2/AOO4.1.0_RC2_fixes.html
>
> The RC2 fixed 4 further problems:
> [1] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=124599
> [2] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=124607
> [3] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=124509
> [4] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=124394
>
> The release candidate artifacts (1) (source release, as well as binary
> releases for 38 languages) and further information how to verify and
> review Apache OpenOffice 4.1.0 can be found on the following wiki page:
>
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds
>
> The RC is based on the release branch AOO410, revision 1585426! And a
> fresh and clean RAT scan output of this revision can be found under
>
> http://people.apache.org/~jsc/milestones/4.1.0-rc2/AOO4.1.0_RAT_Scan.html
>
> Please vote on releasing this package as Apache OpenOffice 4.1.0
>
> The vote starts now and will be open until:
>
>Friday, 11 April: 2014-04-11 11:00am UTC+2.
>
> But we invite all people to vote (non binding) on this RC. We would like
> to provide a release that is supported by the majority of our project
> members.
>
>[ ] +1 Release this package as Apache OpenOffice 4.1.0
>[ ]  0 Don't care
>[ ] -1 Do not release this package because...
>
>
>
> (1) the upload for the Linux artifacts is still ongoing, expected to be
> available in 2-3 hours.
>
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Re: Windows 4.1.0 installer does not remove the startup group icon(empty group) after uninstall

[Shenfeng Liu]

Yu Zhen,
  Is there a defect in Bugzilla to trace this issue?

- Shenfeng (Simon)


2014-04-10 8:42 GMT+08:00 Yuzhen Fan :

> Hi all,
>
> Here are the steps to reproduce this problem, I will check Bugzilla when it
> recovers to me:
>
> 1. Install 4.1.0 RC2 (clean install or upgrade install)
> 2. Run the installation again and select Remove in Program Maintenance of
> installation Wizard, and click Next (see screenshot post below)
> 3. Check startup group after uninstall finish
>
> Problem: the startup group "OpenOffice 4.1.0" is empty(it is expected)
> while the group icon still remains
>
> Notes: there is no such problem when uninstall AOO by Windows's uninstaller
> in Control Panel
>
>
>
> Empty startup group remains, should be removed
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Yu Zhen
>

Re: [PROPOSAL][RELEASE]: remove 4.1.0 beta from Sourceforge and from Aapche dist

[Shenfeng Liu]

+1

Shenfeng (Simon)


2014-04-30 15:37 GMT+08:00 Oliver-Rainer Wittmann :

> Hi,
>
>
> On 30.04.2014 09:33, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> removing 4.1 Beta from dist is natural but I would like to propose that
>> we drop remove the 4.1 beta from the SF server as well.
>>
>> Any opinions?
>>
>>
> +1 for removing the 4.1 beta 'bits' from the SourceForge server.
>
> Best regards, Oliver.
>
>
>  Juergen
>>
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Re: [RELEASE]: AOO 4.1.1 code base and some additional proposed fixes

[Shenfeng Liu]

2014-06-11 17:14 GMT+08:00 Jürgen Schmidt :

> Hi,
>
> a possible schedule for AOO 4.1.1 is not yet finally discussed and
> defined but I would like to propose some further issues that are related
> to make the code working on MacOS 10.9.3.
>
> First I propose that we develop the AOO 4.1.1 on the existing branch
> AOO410 because it should be a minor bugfix release with some translation
> updates. But no bigger features.
>
> And we still have no Mac build bot but I have updated my Mac where I
> have built the release in the past. Means I have no 10.7 system in place
> and have to build on MacOs 10.9.3. We made these changes already on
> trunk and I propose the following issues for integration in AOO 4.1.1 to
> make the build possible on MacOS 10.9.3. It will still work on 10.7.
> Well I have already prepared a build and did a first basic test but it
> will need some more testing of course.
>
> The issues are:
>
> 124896 remove obsoleted module-internal custom allocator in SAL,
>https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=124896
>
> 124908 remove custom allocator support in stlport-replacement headers,
>https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=124908
>
> 124422 Build no more possible with Xcode 5.1
>https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=124422
>
> 124442 Mac and Java Oracle 1.7,
>https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=124442
>
>
> More things later
>

Juergen,
  Thanks for leading the 4.1.1 release!
  I just created several defect queries to help tracing the status:

4.1.1_release_blocker+?   -
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=4.1.1_release_blocker%2B%3F&sharer_id=249089
4.1.1_release_blocker+-
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=4.1.1_release_blocker%2B&sharer_id=249089
4.1.1_release_blocker?-
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=4.1.1_release_blocker%3F&sharer_id=249089
4.1.1_release_blocker+, Resolved  -
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=4.1.1_release_blocker%2B%2C%20Resolved&sharer_id=249089

  One question: how will we use the Target Milestone field? Will it be used
only for resolved defect in 4.1.1?

- Shenfeng (Simon)



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Re: [RELEASE]: AOO 4.1.1 code base and some additional proposed fixes

[Shenfeng Liu]

2014-06-12 21:59 GMT+08:00 Jürgen Schmidt :

> On 12/06/14 15:45, Shenfeng Liu wrote:
> > 2014-06-11 17:14 GMT+08:00 Jürgen Schmidt :
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> a possible schedule for AOO 4.1.1 is not yet finally discussed and
> >> defined but I would like to propose some further issues that are related
> >> to make the code working on MacOS 10.9.3.
> >>
> >> First I propose that we develop the AOO 4.1.1 on the existing branch
> >> AOO410 because it should be a minor bugfix release with some translation
> >> updates. But no bigger features.
> >>
> >> And we still have no Mac build bot but I have updated my Mac where I
> >> have built the release in the past. Means I have no 10.7 system in place
> >> and have to build on MacOs 10.9.3. We made these changes already on
> >> trunk and I propose the following issues for integration in AOO 4.1.1 to
> >> make the build possible on MacOS 10.9.3. It will still work on 10.7.
> >> Well I have already prepared a build and did a first basic test but it
> >> will need some more testing of course.
> >>
> >> The issues are:
> >>
> >> 124896 remove obsoleted module-internal custom allocator in SAL,
> >>https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=124896
> >>
> >> 124908 remove custom allocator support in stlport-replacement headers,
> >>https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=124908
> >>
> >> 124422 Build no more possible with Xcode 5.1
> >>https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=124422
> >>
> >> 124442 Mac and Java Oracle 1.7,
> >>https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=124442
> >>
> >>
> >> More things later
> >>
> >
> > Juergen,
> >   Thanks for leading the 4.1.1 release!
> >   I just created several defect queries to help tracing the status:
> >
> > 4.1.1_release_blocker+?   -
> >
> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=4.1.1_release_blocker%2B%3F&sharer_id=249089
> > 4.1.1_release_blocker+-
> >
> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=4.1.1_release_blocker%2B&sharer_id=249089
> > 4.1.1_release_blocker?-
> >
> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=4.1.1_release_blocker%3F&sharer_id=249089
> > 4.1.1_release_blocker+, Resolved  -
> >
> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=4.1.1_release_blocker%2B%2C%20Resolved&sharer_id=249089
> >
> >   One question: how will we use the Target Milestone field? Will it be
> used
> > only for resolved defect in 4.1.1?
>
> I think we can set the target field to 4.1.1 when the showstopper flag
> is granted. The showstoppers have to be fixed anyway and it should be in
> sync.
>

Juergen,
  Thanks for the clarification!
  I updated the 4.1.1 planning wiki
<https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1.1> with the
shared queries.

- Shenfeng (Simon)



>
> Juergen
>
> >
> > - Shenfeng (Simon)
> >
> >
> >
> >>
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> >>
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Re: [FEATURE][DISCUSS] The values of upper and lower spacing for default paragraph did the complete opposite

[Shenfeng Liu]

2014-06-13 15:16 GMT+08:00 Steve Yin :

> Hi,
>
> The spacing size between lines is inconspicuous. But in some cases, it
> becomes a disturbing problem. This bug shows the problem:
> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=125090. In the attachment, I
> put 2 screenshots to illustrate the issue.
>
> The patch is ready.
>
> Should we change it?
>

+1 to change the default line space from bottom to top, which will make the
layout align more to the content logic.
Currently I spent a lot of time to change the default line space in my
presentations.

While currently we are working on 4.1.1. I think this change should belong
to a big release, e.g. 4.2.


- Shenfeng (Simon)



>
> --
> Best Regards,
>
> Steve Yin
>

Re: [RELEASE][PLANNING]: possible date for AOO 4.1.1

[Shenfeng Liu]

Hi, Juergen,


2014-06-18 19:18 GMT+08:00 Jürgen Schmidt :

> Hi,
>
> I am currently thinking about a possible release date for AOO 4.1.1 and
> believe a date in August would be good. The main question is how long
> the QA work will take?
>

I think August is a reasonable target date.
I checked the testlink and found Yu Zhen already created AOO 4.1.1 test
plan with test cases added.

One question: when will we (or did we already?) create a 4.1.1 branch? I'm
asking because not only we need to input a build in testlink before we can
assign test cases to QA volunteers to start the test execution, but also it
can not be formally counted as 4.1.1 testing if performed on trunk build.

Thanks!



>
> AOO 4.1.1 will be a bugfix release only with some additional translation
> update and potentially new languages.
>
> A further point is if we make a Beta or not or work with RC candidates
> only. Again it is a bugfix release only and every official release (and
> a Beta is official) needs more effort. And when I try to reflect the
> last Beta I don't think it was very successful. We had >30 downloads
> and thought we would receive the necessary and good feedback we need to
> release a good version. AOO 4.1 is good but we have some serious issues
> that were not detected during normal Qa and not during the Beta phase of
> active Beta users.
>

I agree that Beta is not necessary for AOO 4.1.1.


>
> Currently we have 26 issues with granted or requested showstopper flag.
> Most of them are already fixed.
>

>From QA perspective, the 4.1.1 testing can early start as soon as the 1st
4.1.1 build available. But we need to define a DCUT milestone, by which
date, all the fixes are delivered to AOO 4.1.1 branch and no more patch
will be accepted unless identified as blocking or 4.1.1 regression. Then we
can run the regression test after the DCUT to cover all impacted areas.


- Shenfeng (Simon)




>
> I haven't seen any issue so far a translation update. If issues exist
> already please request the showstopper flag asap.
>
> We have no new strings and I know that update work or fixing of
> translation is already ongoing. We should plan in time with a deadline
> for translation updates. I think a possible date can be mid of July. We
> need a fixed date that people can plan accordingly, otherwise we run
> always in the same situation and changes are coming in late. But that
> don't scale very well and we should keep deadlines in mind.
>
> What does others think about it?
>
> Juergen
>
> PS: this mail is on dev only because dev is our main mailing list. We
> have again the situation that people active on QA or l18n don't read dev
> which is problematic because they potentially miss important news for
> upcoming releases. But sending info on all lists will result is split
> discussion that I would like to avoid. I didn't really worked in the
> past, even not with a reply-to filed. Well final deadlines will be
> communicated on the qa@ and l18n@ list as well.
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Re: [RELEASE][PLANNING]: possible date for AOO 4.1.1

[Shenfeng Liu]

2014-06-19 15:25 GMT+08:00 Jürgen Schmidt :

> On 19/06/14 03:55, Shenfeng Liu wrote:
> > Hi, Juergen,
> >
> >
> > 2014-06-18 19:18 GMT+08:00 Jürgen Schmidt :
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I am currently thinking about a possible release date for AOO 4.1.1 and
> >> believe a date in August would be good. The main question is how long
> >> the QA work will take?
> >>
> >
> > I think August is a reasonable target date.
> > I checked the testlink and found Yu Zhen already created AOO 4.1.1 test
> > plan with test cases added.
> >
> > One question: when will we (or did we already?) create a 4.1.1 branch?
> I'm
> > asking because not only we need to input a build in testlink before we
> can
> > assign test cases to QA volunteers to start the test execution, but also
> it
> > can not be formally counted as 4.1.1 testing if performed on trunk build.
>
> We plan to work on the AOO410 branch and reuse it, we work a minor
> bugfix release only. The released version are tagged and that's enough.
>
> I will upload a first dev build today or tomorrow
>
>
That's great!



> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> AOO 4.1.1 will be a bugfix release only with some additional translation
> >> update and potentially new languages.
> >>
> >> A further point is if we make a Beta or not or work with RC candidates
> >> only. Again it is a bugfix release only and every official release (and
> >> a Beta is official) needs more effort. And when I try to reflect the
> >> last Beta I don't think it was very successful. We had >30 downloads
> >> and thought we would receive the necessary and good feedback we need to
> >> release a good version. AOO 4.1 is good but we have some serious issues
> >> that were not detected during normal Qa and not during the Beta phase of
> >> active Beta users.
> >>
> >
> > I agree that Beta is not necessary for AOO 4.1.1.
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Currently we have 26 issues with granted or requested showstopper flag.
> >> Most of them are already fixed.
> >>
> >
> > From QA perspective, the 4.1.1 testing can early start as soon as the 1st
> > 4.1.1 build available. But we need to define a DCUT milestone, by which
> > date, all the fixes are delivered to AOO 4.1.1 branch and no more patch
> > will be accepted unless identified as blocking or 4.1.1 regression. Then
> we
> > can run the regression test after the DCUT to cover all impacted areas.
>
> we already in this mode and integrate only showstopper in the branch.
>
> We can align this with the translation deadline and after this date we
> can start or continue with the regression testing
>
>
Great!
We can plan the testing accordingly.
Thanks, Juergen!

- Shenfeng (Simon)



> Juergen
>
> >
> >
> > - Shenfeng (Simon)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> I haven't seen any issue so far a translation update. If issues exist
> >> already please request the showstopper flag asap.
> >>
> >> We have no new strings and I know that update work or fixing of
> >> translation is already ongoing. We should plan in time with a deadline
> >> for translation updates. I think a possible date can be mid of July. We
> >> need a fixed date that people can plan accordingly, otherwise we run
> >> always in the same situation and changes are coming in late. But that
> >> don't scale very well and we should keep deadlines in mind.
> >>
> >> What does others think about it?
> >>
> >> Juergen
> >>
> >> PS: this mail is on dev only because dev is our main mailing list. We
> >> have again the situation that people active on QA or l18n don't read dev
> >> which is problematic because they potentially miss important news for
> >> upcoming releases. But sending info on all lists will result is split
> >> discussion that I would like to avoid. I didn't really worked in the
> >> past, even not with a reply-to filed. Well final deadlines will be
> >> communicated on the qa@ and l18n@ list as well.
> >>
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Re: [QA][Test Report] Weekly Status Update as of 20140804

[Shenfeng Liu]

Yu Zhen,
  Thanks very much for the update!
  I have run some test cases against RC1 on Win8, and updated the result in
testlink. So far every thing is good.

- Simon



2014-08-05 13:40 GMT+08:00 Yuzhen Fan :

> Hi All,
>
> We started doing the AOO 4.1.1 Full Path Regression Test(FPR) on June 25,
> and will close it before Aug 8. here is the bi-weekly update (7/21 - 8/4):
>
> *Test execution:*
> 1. We have assigned 176 text executions to about 20 volunteers, and
> completed about 63.6% in execution (112 test executions done). We are
> behind schedule to finish feature FVT before Aug 8. The planned completion
> is 84.8% as of Aug 4
>
> 2. From below test results distributed among platforms, we need to speed up
> the testing on Redhat Linux 64bit(because completed percentage is 46.67%
> which is lower than the average 63.6%) and Mac(made progress on Mac)
>
>
> Test CategoryTotalNot RunPassedFailedBlocked
> Completed [%]
> AOO Calc5318312266.04
> Fidelity5310140.00
> AOO Impress6827338060.29
> AOO Writer5016322068.00
> Total176649712363.60
>
>
> PlatformTotalNot RunPassedFailedBlockedCompleted
> [%]
> MacOS X3218104043.75
> Redhat Linux 32bit12381075.00
> Redhat Linux 64bit4524165046.67
> Ubuntu Linux 64bit181131394.44
> Windows 7367290080.56
> Windows 8176101064.71
> Windows Server 2012165110068.75
> Total176649712363.60
>
> *Defect summary:*
> 1. We have verified 55 of 4.1.1 resolved showstopper bugs (Total 73 as of
> Aug 4, increased 22 since July 20. Backlog is 18 for all bugs)
>
> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&list_id=153261&namedcmd=4.1.1_release_blocker%2B%3F&remaction=run&sharer_id=249089
>
> *Issues & quality highlight:*
> 1. We have made big progress these two weeks to verify total 55 defects! We
> still need more defect verification volunteers, to verify language bugs
> 2. We(test cases assignees) need speed up testing on Mac & Redhat Linux
> 64bitMac(made progress on Mac)
>
> *Volunteer status: *
> 1. We have total 20 test execution volunteers joined in FPR execution work
> since June 24, 2 are from Apache OpenOffice Forum
> 2. We have total 16 defect verification volunteers joined in 4.1.1 resolved
> showstopper bug verification work since June 23, 11 new joined these 2
> weeks!
>
> *Plan for next week:*
> 1. Continue to do FPR test with RC1 and bug verification
> 2. Remind some test execution volunteers to complete their assignments
> 3. Continue to organize the FPR test and bug verification
>
> Thank you all for effort provided last week, we need your continuous help
> to catch up,  especially on Mac/Linux Redhat!
>
> Regards,
> Yu Zhen
>

Re: [VOTE]: Release Apache OpenOffice 4.1.1 (RC3)

[Shenfeng Liu]

+1 for the release of RC3 as Apache OpenOffice 4.1.1

- Shenfeng (Simon)


2014-08-15 15:15 GMT+08:00 Jürgen Schmidt :

> Hi all,
>
> this is a call for vote on releasing the available release candidate
> (RC3) as Apache OpenOffice 4.1.1.
>
> Apache OpenOffice 4.1.1 is mainly a bugfix release with some important
> bugfixes. And we can provide again more complete UI translations and
> have now support for 41 languages. New languages for this release
> compared to 4.1.0 are Catalan, Catalan (Valencia AVL) and Catalan
> (Valencia RACV).
>
> Apache OpenOffice 4.1.1 is the continuation of high quality software
> releases.
>
> An overview of the integrated release issues can be found under:
>
>
> http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/milestones/4.1.1-rc3-r1617669/AOO4.1.1_fixes.html
>
> The release candidate artifacts (source release, as well as binary
> releases for 41 languages) and further information how to verify and
> review Apache OpenOffice 4.1.1 can be found on the following wiki page:
>
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds
>
> (alternative directly via
> http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/milestones/4.1.1-rc3-r1617669)
>
> *.dmg files are still not recognized as binaries and have to be
> saved manually (save link as ...).
>
> The RC is based on the release branch AOO410, revision 1617669! And a
> fresh and clean RAT scan output of this revision can be found under
>
>
> http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/milestones/4.1.1-rc3-r1617669/AOO4.1.1_RAT_Scan.html
>
> Please vote on releasing this package as Apache OpenOffice 4.1.1
>
> The vote starts now and will be open until:
>
>Tuesday, 19 August: 2014-08-19 12:00am UTC+2.
>
> We invite all people to vote (non binding) on this RC. We would like
> to provide a release that is supported by the majority of our project
> members.
>
>[ ] +1 Release this package as Apache OpenOffice 4.1.1
>[ ]  0 Don't care
>[ ] -1 Do not release this package because...
>
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Re: [RELEASE] AOO.next = AOO 4.0

[Shenfeng Liu]

2012/11/24 Jürgen Schmidt 

> On 11/23/12 5:26 PM, Keith N. McKenna wrote:
> > Rob Weir wrote:
> >> On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 8:20 AM, Keith N. McKenna
> >>  wrote:
> >>> Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
> 
>  On 11/21/12 5:33 PM, Keith N. McKenna wrote:
> >
> > Rob Weir wrote:
> >>
> >> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Keith N. McKenna
> >>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Regina Henschel wrote:
> 
> 
>  Hi Jürgen,
> 
>  Jürgen Schmidt schrieb:
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > first of all I would like to volunteer again as release manager
> > for
> > our
> > next release if it's ok for our community.
> 
> 
> 
>  +1
> 
> >>> +1 on that from me also
> >>>
> >
> > Second I would like to define with you what our next release
> > will be.
> > After various discussion and activities on the mailing list and
> > also at
> > the ApacheCon, I got the impression that the majority would
> > support a
> > 4.0 version as our next release.
> 
> 
> 
>  I'm not in favor of an version 4.0 as next release. The changes
>  have
>  listed below would justify a version "4.0". But I doubt, that
>  they are
>  possible in a time frame, I see for the next release.
> 
> >>> I am with Regina on this one. I do not see a Jan or Feb time
> >>> frame as
> >>> feasible for the design and implementation of a new and still a
> >>> comfortable
> >>> bit of padding to deal with the inevitable gremlins that will sneak
> >>> out of
> >>> the woodwork to assure the kind of quality release that is
> >>> expected of
> >>> OpenOffice and that we expect of ourselves.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Uh, Juergen never suggested January or Feburary as a time frame for
> >> 4.0.  So I don't see how one can dismiss a 4.0 proposal as being
> >> unfeasible based on dates that he never suggested.  Maybe we should
> >> ask Juergen what timeframe he had in mind for 4.0?  Of course, it
> >> might be possible to do both, provided we have volunteers willing to
> >> own testing and release management for 3.5.
> >>
> >> -Rob
> >>
> > As I re-read the post you are correct Rob and I apologize to
> > Juergen for
> > reading to much between the lines. What timeframe were you
> considering
> > for a 4.0 release Juergan?
> >
> 
>  Well I had indeed not February in mind but when we targeting on end of
>  March or April we will have more time.
> 
>  Maybe we can take first a look on what others have in mind to put in
>  the
>  next release.
> 
>  Juergen
> 
> >>> This sounds like a good idea. My concern is that we have enough time to
> >>> adequately the changes, especially the potential UI changes, and that
> we
> >>> address the end of life issues with the 3.x.x line. We do not want to
> >>> spring
> >>> possibly major UI changes on end users without adequate warning.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Is there something users need to do to prepare for UI changes ? ;-)
> >>
> > Rob, have you ever been involved in direct user support? When you make
> > major UI changes your support structure is going to be inundated with
> > questions under the best of situations. When you spring them on users
> > unawares you unleash the tirade of "change for the sake of change"
> > potentially getting bad publicity for the product.
> >
> > While it is true that an amount of this is inevitable, a good marketing
> > and communication campaign can go a long way towards minimizing it. We
> > cannot loose sight of the act that we are an end user project and not
> > just for the techie types.
> >
> >> IMHO, if the changes are a bad idea we should never do them.  But if
> >> the changes are a good idea then let's get them done, tested and
> >> released without delay.  Yes, it will be a surprise for many end
> >> users.  As far as I can tell most users still don't know we've moved
> >> to Apache either.
> >
> > Whether we have moved to Apache or not is of little concern to the
> > general user. Changing the look and feel of the product he or she is
> > familiar and comfortable with is.
> >
> > Do not get me wrong, I am not against change. I am simply adding a voice
> > of caution that we not inadvertently shoot ourselves in the foot
> > (figuratively to be sure). The UX work that Kevin and others are going
> > and the push by you and others for greater marketing presence are all
> > good things and need to be given sufficient time to have a good impact.
> >
> > If in the considered judgement of the community the March/April
> > timeframe is sufficient that is great and we should do it. All I am
> > doing is raising some considerations that may not always be thought of.
> >
>
> Before we go in endless dis

Re: [RELEASE] AOO.next = AOO 4.0

[Shenfeng Liu]

2012/11/24 Kay Schenk 

> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 4:07 AM, Jürgen Schmidt 
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > first of all I would like to volunteer again as release manager for our
> > next release if it's ok for our community.
> >
> > Second I would like to define with you what our next release will be.
> > After various discussion and activities on the mailing list and also at
> > the ApacheCon, I got the impression that the majority would support a
> > 4.0 version as our next release.
>
> Here is what we currently have on the planning wiki as proposed for 4.0:
>
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.0+Release+Planning
>
> Is it your/our intention to have these items complete for a proposed
> 4.0 release?
>
Kay,
  That's the 4.0 planning wiki we should continue to work on. But some
items there were input long long ago (when we thought there would be a 3.5
in front...). So I suggest we should revisit the contents there.

- Shenfeng (Simon)


>
> >
> > We are planning some bigger UI changes for the next release (sidebar)
> > and such UI changes are always a good indicator for a new major release
> > to signal our users bigger changers. I know Ariel has also some
> > incompatible changes regarding add-ons in the pipeline that would also
> > fit in a major release.
> >
> > I noticed some discussion around a new visual design and a bigger
> > rebranding and this is a further reason for a major release.
> >
> > I think it is time to define this more concrete and focus in more detail
> > on the work that is needed and required to bring a good and stable
> > release on the road. Our goal should be to continue the success of 3.4
> > and 3.4.1.
> >
> > If nobody will complain I will start to merge the started 3.5 and 4.0
> > planning into one combined planning later. I believe it is important
> > that we concentrate on our next release. If you think a rebranding is
> > important and you want to drive it, please start immediately. If you
> > want to bring in some new features, please communicate it on the list
> > and start working on it. Let us work on the plan for the next release in
> > an open and transparent way.
> >
> > Besides the next major release we should also continue the discussion on
> > further language packs based on 3.4.1 to make the latest translations
> > available as soon as possible.
> >
> > One way to make these language packs available would be to integrate the
> > new translations on the AOO34 branch, build the language packs and a new
> > source release based on this revision. The effort should be minimal as
> > long as we don't integrate bugfixes.
> >
> > On the other hand a release is of course a lot of work and we can focus
> > on releasing these new languages together with 4.0. The question is if
> > we do have the resources for releasing the new languages?
> >
> > Any opinions or feedback?
> >
> > Juergen
>
>
>
> --
>
> 
> MzK
>
> “How wrong is it for a woman to expect the man to build the world
>  she wants, rather than to create it herself?”
>
>  -- Anais Nin
>

Re: [RELEASE]: new languages for AOO 3.4.1

[Shenfeng Liu]

Welcome to join AOO!
I suggest you can start from our New Volunteer Orientation page for how to
do translation: http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/translate.html .
And besides the dev@openoffice.apache.org mail group, you should also
subscript to l...@openoffice.apache.org, by sending an email to
l10n-subscr...@openoffice.apache.org. In I10n, translation related
topics/questions will be discussed in more details.

- Shenfeng (Simon)


2012/11/26 胡其图 

> Hi there,
> I am a mongolian where living in inner mongolia, china. and I want to
> build a traditional mongolian AOO if it possible.
> and I know there have a slav mongolian AOO, but this is not similar to
> traditional mongolian.
> tell me how to add about a language for traditional mongolian?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> At 2012-11-23 16:39:46,"Jürgen Schmidt"  wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
> >we all know that the number of volunteers helping with translation is
> >growing and we would like to make new languages as soon as possible
> >available. This is important for two reason, first to make AOO available
> >in further languages to reach more users. Second to show our volunteers
> >that their work is appreciated and become integrated as soon as
> >possible. We don't have a well defined process for doing it at moment
> >but we will find a working way that will be ok for all of us. And we can
> >improve it over time when see demand for changes or improvements, means
> >we don't have to find a 100% perfect solution from the beginning.
> >
> >The most important part is how we do the naming of the different parts
> >of such a release.
> >
> >I see two different scenarios:
> >
> >1. Only new languages, no bugfixes, no other code changes
> >We add the new languages on top of the existing AOO34 branch, build the
> >office with the new languages and release the new languages as
> >convenience binary packages. We also build a new src release package and
> >add the revision number in the name to identify a respin of the orginal
> >3.4.1.
> >
> >For example: aoo-3.4.1-rev1372282-src.tar.bz2
> >
> >This new src release becomes the default for 3.4.1 because it is a
> >respin only (no functional changes)
> >
> >The revision number is part of the about dialog as well and it is
> >possible to identify the respin.
> >
> >
> >2. New languages + bug-fixes or security fixes
> >The micro number will be increased and we do a normal release cycle.
> >The src release will contain the revision number in future always.
> >
> >
> >
> >Concrete proposal for 3.4.1 and new languages:
> >
> >1. set a deadline for new translations, for exmaple December 31, 2012
> >2. integrate the new languages and provide the builds until January 10,
> 2013
> >3. test and verify the new language builds asap
> >4. release the new languages at the end of January
> >
> >
> >Why a deadline until December:
> >The reason is quite simply, we have 22 languages with an UI coverage of
> >more than 95% (ok Turkish 93%). My plan is to prepare a blog entry and
> >call again for volunteers for these languages where the effort is
> >moderate. My hope is that we can integrate a few of the important ones.
> >
> >UI coverage with more than 93%
> >==
> >100%: Danish
> >98%: Korean, Polish, Asturian, Uighur, Icelandic, Indonesian, Welsh,
> >Catalan, Bulgarian, Latvian
> >97%: Greek, Basque
> >96%: English (South Africa)
> >95%: Portuguese, Swedish, Marathi, Kannada, Gujarati, Irish, Oriya
> >93%: Turkish
> >
> >
> >Juergen
>

Re: Gallery extension from Symphony ressources

[Shenfeng Liu]

2012/11/27 Marcus (OOo) 

> Am 11/26/2012 02:44 PM, schrieb Armin Le Grand:
>
>  Hi List,
>>
>> I took a closer look at Symphony's checked in ressources concerning the
>> gallery. There are quite some nice and useful additional themes there we
>> (and our users) should benefit from. Thus, I propose (and volunteer :-)
>> to integrate these to the trunk. Please have a look at a current
>> Symphony version or look at the provides symphony sourcecode to get an
>> impression (it's in main/extras/source/gallery). The added themes are:
>>
>> arrows
>> bullets
>> computers
>> diagrams
>> education
>> environment
>> finance
>> gallery_sound
>> gallery_system
>> people
>> sounds
>> symbols
>> transportation
>> txtshapes
>>
>> The currently existing themes in trunk are:
>>
>> bullets
>> gallery_sound
>> gallery_system
>> htmpexpo
>> rulers
>> sounds
>> ww-back
>> www-graf
>>
>> Where bullets, gallery_sound, gallery_system and sounds are double. I
>> propose to just merge the contents. (gallery_sound and gallery_system
>> are hidden, internal themes). For info: ww-back and www-graf are also
>> hidden themes which are used in Writer's www export.
>>
>> I think these themes are useful for a wide variety of users and I will
>> try to just merge them smoothly to have these available.
>>
>> All contents are in png format (not yet svg) with transparencies and
>> offer quite some useful stuff. We should have them in that format for
>> now, conversion to SVG is not realistic due to many contained gradients.
>> For adding future themes I propose to use svg, but for now we should use
>> what we have. Same is true for evtl. later add online data access for
>> the gallery for clipart libraries (which support svg). But one step
>> after the other...
>>
>> I'm currently inverstigating on the issue (wrote #121407# for it, see
>> there) and will report how much size it would add to download packages.
>>
>> Suggestions welcome!
>>
>
> Yeah, great idea. :-)
>
> +1. Let's add those themes in! Thanks, Armin!

- Shenfeng (Simon)

Marcus
>

Update about Apache Asia Road Show Beijing 2012 @Dec 13

[Shenfeng Liu]

Hi, all,
  Sorry that I didn't update the status of Apache Asia Road Show Beijing
2012 for a long time.
  Finally we confirmed the agenda. And we get 1 hour for Apache OpenOffice
(14:00-15:00).
  Below is my proposed agenda:

==
1. Part: The history and status quo of OpenOffice

Speaker: Peter Junge
Time: 20 Minutes
Brief outline:
+ Overall introduction of Apache OpenOffice
+ History before Apache
   ++ From StarOffice to OpenOffice.org to Apache OpenOffice
+ OpenOffice at Apache
   ++ New Challeges, e.g. License and different community vision
   ++ Organizational status quo of the project, promotion from
incubator to TLP

2. Part: What's happening around Apache OpenOffice in Beijing

  2.1. Speaker: Shenfeng Liu
Time: 10 Minutes
Brief outline:
+ Introduce volunteers in Beijing and the contributions from them
   ++ Development, QE, UX, Translation, Marketing
+ Call for volunteers

  2.2 Speaker: Hongyun An
Time: 10 Minutes
Brief outline:
+ Contributing UOF to Apache OpenOffice

3. Part: Apache OpenOffice and Cloud

  3.1 Speaker: Tao Liu
Time: 10 Minutes
Brief outline:
+ Developing Enterprise OA system based on OpenOffice

  3.2 Speaker: Dali Liu
Time: 10 Minutes
Brief outline:
+ Social Integration with AOO

==

Here is the link to the event, where you can find the agenda, venue, and
register: http://apacheasiaroadshow04.eventbrite.com/#  . (Sorry that no
funding support for travel.)

I will write up a promotion article calling for participating (in English &
Chinese).

Tell me if you have any comments/suggestion. Thanks!


- Shenfeng (Simon)

Re: DOCX: merged comments

[Shenfeng Liu]

Pavel,
  Thanks for your patch! But I'd like to clarify one thing: did you take
the fix out from LO?
  My understanding is that due to the license limitation, unfortunately we
can not take the code from LO.

- Shenfeng (Simon)


2012/11/30 Pavel Janík 

> Hi,
>
> today I was shown the problem which is described in the issue
>
> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=113059
>
> This issue is fixed in LibreOffice and thus I (after spending some hours
> xmllint'ing OOXML's comments.xml and debugging writerfilter) isolated and
> improved the fix for AOO and attached sample patch to the issue.
>
> Any volunteers to review/intergation/QA?
>
> DOCX comments need more love: no author is shown (DOCS contains initials
> and author's name) and the date of the change is ignored and current date
> is used... Any takers?
> --
> Pavel Janík
>
>
>
>

Re: CMS diff:

[Shenfeng Liu]

Yan Ji,
  I can not commit it, probably due to the issue caused by the website
migration that discussed in another mail thread.

- Shenfeng (Simon)


2012/12/3 Ji Yan 

> I've updated the defect.txt file with latest defect status including open
> and fixed in last month. Could anybody help commit it? thx
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 9:41 PM, Yan Ji  wrote:
>
> > Clone URL (Committers only):
> >
> >
> https://cms.apache.org/redirect?new=anonymous;action=diff;uri=http://ooo-site.apache.org/stats%2Fdefects.txt
> >
> > Yan Ji
> >
> > Index: trunk/content/stats/defects.txt
> > ===
> > --- trunk/content/stats/defects.txt (revision 1416085)
> > +++ trunk/content/stats/defects.txt (working copy)
> > @@ -17,3 +17,4 @@
> >  2012-09-01,2161,597
> >  2012-10-01,2444,718
> >  2012-11-01,2576,756
> > +2012-12-01,2680,780
> > \ No newline at end of file
> >
> >
>
>
> --
>
>
> Thanks & Best Regards, Yan Ji
>

Re: [QA Report] Weekly QA Status Update

[Shenfeng Liu]

Thanks Yan Ji for the report!
And thanks so much to every one who helped the test execution and defect
verification!

- Shenfeng (Simon)


2012/12/3 Ji Yan 

> Hi all,
>
>   I post QA status report for last week[1], please review.
>
>   I'd thanks for following volunteer who help on defect verification and
> test execution QA task recently:
>
> *louqle* helped on task Issue 121359
>   and Issue 121365
> 
>
> *Rob Weir* helped on verify defect Issue 35763
> 
>
> *gbolssens* helped on test cases execution
>
>
>
> [1] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/QA/Report/WeeklyReport/201212
> --
>
>
> Thanks & Best Regards, Yan Ji
>

Re: [RELEASE] AOO.next = AOO 4.0

[Shenfeng Liu]

2012/12/5 Ariel Constenla-Haile 

> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 01:07:45PM +0100, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > first of all I would like to volunteer again as release manager for our
> > next release if it's ok for our community.
> >
> > Second I would like to define with you what our next release will be.
> > After various discussion and activities on the mailing list and also at
> > the ApacheCon, I got the impression that the majority would support a
> > 4.0 version as our next release.
>
> What was the outcome of this thread? Is trunk in 4.0 mode?
> Andrea update to https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/f8KoAQ
> suggests so (I may have missed some mail telling so).
>
> Ariel,
  My understanding from the discussion is that we are going to release 4.0
as the next release.
  I volunteer to help Juergen to consolidate the contents from previous
project planning wiki of 3.5 as well as 4.0.

- Shenfeng (Simon)


>
> Regards
> --
> Ariel Constenla-Haile
> La Plata, Argentina
>

[RELEASE] Update 4.0 planning items

[Shenfeng Liu]

Hi, all,
  I suggest we update the planning items in 4.0 wiki:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.0+Release+Planning
  I just updated the status of each items and added some more according to
my reading of the mails.
  I hope every one can help to review the list and:

(1) input your name if you volunteer to any of the items (especially those
without owner now);
(2) for those in "Proposed" status, update the wiki or reply to this mail,
confirming if you still think you can/will deliver it in 4.0, or if you
prefer to move it to future releases, or think it is no longer important or
valid.
(3) add new items that you are working on or you plan to deliver in 4.0.

  Then by the end of next week, I propose to move out those with no
volunteer (I intent to move most of those items to 4.1 planning wiki
temporary), then update the rest according to the response from volunteers.
  Please tell me if any comments/suggestion. And very appreciate for the
update!
  Thanks!

- Shenfeng (Simon)

Re: New to Development

[Shenfeng Liu]

Welcome to join us, Eric!
  Besides the link provided by Ian, you can also refer to this link for
some general information to new comers:
http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/orientation/index.html .


- Shenfeng (Simon)


2012/12/7 Ian C 

> Hi Eric,
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 7:52 AM, Eric Edmonds 
> wrote:
> > Hi ,
> >
> > I'm, Eric ,  a recent graduate from Southern Polytechnic State
> > University, Marietta GA. I'm interested in learning more about
> > Software development. I'm just not what area i would like to work in
> > and I'm looking to explore a little.
>
> check out https://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/get-involved.html
>
> For development there is a link to New Volunteer Orientation.
>
> And then sing out if you need more info.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Eric
> > --
> > Email: ericdedmo...@gmail.com
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> Ian C
>

can I get permission to upload file to mwiki ?

[Shenfeng Liu]

I'd like to continue the working on the fidelity improvement
wiki,
and need to upload screenshots.
My wiki account is liushenf .
Thanks very much!

- Shenfeng (Simon)

Re: wiki.open office Volunteer Application

[Shenfeng Liu]

Doreen,
  Welcome to join us! And hope you can feel fun in our community!
  I'm not quite familiar with Industry Design, is it more about hardware or
software? User interface design, or application infrastructure design? And
in Apache OpenOffice community, are you interested in development work, or
User Experience/UI design work, or even other works as testing, marketing,
translation... ?

  Any way, you can start from the following 2 pages which are for new
comers:

   - http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/index.html
   - http://openoffice.apache.org/get-involved.html


  Don't hesitate to send mail to dev@openoffice.apache.org for any question
you have. :)


- Shenfeng (Simon)


2012/12/12 陶然 

> Hello,
> I'm a collage student ,and my major is industry design.I'm very interested
> in wiki open office,so I send you this letter to wonder that may I be a
> member of volunteers?
> I will be very Appreciate if you agree my joining !
>
> Best regards,
> Doreen
>

Re: can I get permission to upload file to mwiki ?

[Shenfeng Liu]

I tried it and uploaded 3 screenshot files successfully!
Thanks to TJ for the help!
Thanks to Andrew for your asking!
And also thanks to Helen Russian who contacted me earlier saying she can
help me to upload the files. While now I don't need to occupy her mail box
with big attachments! :)

- Shenfeng (Simon)


2012/12/13 Andrew Douglas Pitonyak 

> On 12/12/2012 06:44 PM, TJ Frazier wrote:
>
>> On 12/12/2012 17:39, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/11/2012 12:25 AM, Shenfeng Liu wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'd like to continue the working on the fidelity improvement
>>>> wiki<http://wiki.openoffice.**org/wiki/Documentation/**
>>>> Fidelity_Improvement_Since_**AOO341<http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Fidelity_Improvement_Since_AOO341>>,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> and need to upload screenshots.
>>>> My wiki account is liushenf .
>>>> Thanks very much!
>>>>
>>>> - Shenfeng (Simon)
>>>>
>>>>  Was this taken care of?
>>>
>>> I do not think that I have the ability to grant this access, only to
>>> create accounts that I saw Am I mistaken on this?
>>>
>>>  Sorry to be slow on this.
>>
>> @Simon: try it now. You are now a sysop.
>>
>> @Andrew: thanks for reminding me. This needs a bureaucrat, to make a new
>> sysop.
>>
>> /tj/
>>
>>  OK, just wanted to make sure I was not missing something :-)
>
>
> --
> Andrew Pitonyak
> My Macro Document: 
> http://www.pitonyak.org/**AndrewMacro.odt<http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt>
> Info:  http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php
>
>

Re: wiki.open office Volunteer Application

[Shenfeng Liu]

Doreen,
  Please refer to http://openoffice.apache.org/mailing-lists.html, and send
mail to dev-subscr...@openoffice.apache.org , then you will be subscribed
to dev@openoffice.apache.org automatically.
  But be careful that there might be 20~50 mails every day from the mail
list. So you may want a special mail account for it.

- Shenfeng (Simon)


2012/12/14 陶然 

> Hi,
> First of all, thank you for your fast feedback! And I'm very appreciate
> your permit!
> Would you please put me into the mail list?And if I have an account for
> editing WIKI content, my username for the account is Doreen. Nice to meet
> you all!
>
> Best regards,
> Doreen
>
> 2012/12/13 Andrew Douglas Pitonyak 
>
> > the WIKI, respond to this email (be sure to include the mailing list) and
> > indicate the username to use for your account.
> >
> > Note that you only require an account if you will edit WIKI content
> >
>

Re: [Blog Draft] Update about Apache Asia Road Show Beijing 2012 @Dec 13

[Shenfeng Liu]

Hi, all,
  I just want to give you an update that we had a successful Apache
OpenOffice session last Thursday (Dec 13) on Apache Asia Road Show 2012
Beijing.
  Thanks to Peter, Tao and Da Li for the speech! The topics covered AOO
general introduction, contributions from local volunteers, how to join
community and make contribution, and building social/cloud solutions by
integrating with AOO. We also distributed AOO promotion materials that
prepared by Da Li.
  We got more than 100 audience participated in the OpenOffice session
14:00-15:00. Most of them are technical people from different companies and
universities. Per my check during my speech, only <20 had used OpenOffice
before. So it is really a good promotion of our product and community.

  We are refining the presentations and will publish them later.

  Thanks!


- Shenfeng (Simon)



2012/12/5 Peter Junge 

> OK.
>
> On 12/5/2012 4:55 PM, Shenfeng Liu wrote:
> > Peter,
> >Thanks for your comments! I added the speaker names per the presenting
> > sequence.
> >
> > 
> > Apache OpenOffice in Apache Asia Road Show Beijing 2012 at December 13
> >
> > Apache Asia Road Show Beijing 2012 will be held at December 13, and
> Apache
> > OpenOffice will deliver a session in the conference.
> > In the Apache OpenOffice session, Peter Junge, Apache OpenOffice PMC
> > member, will give a speech to introduce Apache OpenOffice, its history
> and
> > way in Apache. And other contributors in Beijing, Shenfeng Liu, Hongyun
> An,
> > Tao Liu and Dali Liu, will also give their speech to share the best
> > practice of contributing to the open source community, as well as
> building
> > enterprise business and Cloud/Social solution on top of Apache
> OpenOffice.
> > Please visit the Apache Asia Road Show Beijing 2012 website and register:
> > http://apacheasiaroadshow04.eventbrite.com . We are looking forward to
> > seeing you there!
> >
> > 
> > Apache OpenOffice将在12月13日Apache Asia Road Show Beijing 2012大会上介绍其发展及解决方案
> >
> > Apache Asia Road Show Beijing 2012将于12月13日在北京中关村软件园举行。届时Apache
> > OpenOffice将在大会上介绍其发展及相关解决方案。
> > 在论坛上，Apache OpenOffice项目管理委员会成员Peter Junge将首先介绍Apache
> > OpenOffice及其历史和发展方向。其他在北京的Apache
> OpenOffice志愿者，刘慎锋，安红云，刘涛，刘大力等，也会分享在Apache
> > OpenOffice开源社区做贡献的经验，以及如何基于Apache OpenOffice开发企业应用和云计算及社交解决方案。
> > 欢迎大家到Apache Asia Road Show Beijing 2012网站注册：
> > http://apacheasiaroadshow04.eventbrite.com！让我们共同关注Apache
> > OpenOffice，共同推动开源社区的发展！
> >
> > 
> >
> >
> > - Shenfeng (Simon)
> >
> >
> > 2012/12/5 Peter Junge 
> >
> >> I would also mention the names of the other speakers. Apart from that
> it's
> >> OK.
> >>
> >> Peter
> >>
> >>
> >> On 12/4/2012 11:15 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 11:21 PM, Shenfeng Liu 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Don,
> >>>> Thanks for your suggestion!
> >>>> Here is my draft of the blog, in English & Chinese. Please review
> and
> >>>> give your comments!
> >>>> I found myself not able to edit the blog directly, so I wonder if
> you
> >>>> or
> >>>> any one else can help to post? Thanks very much!
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> Here is the post, in draft form on the blog:
> >>> https://blogs.apache.org/**preview/OOo/?previewEntry=**
> >>> apache_asia_road_show_beijing<
> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=apache_asia_road_show_beijing
> >
> >>>
> >>> Let me know if it is OK and I will publish it.
> >>>
> >>> -Rob
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>   --**--
> >>>> Apache OpenOffice in Apache Asia Road Show Beijing 2012 at December 13
> >>>>
> >>>> Apache Asia Road Show Beijing 2012 will be held at December 13, and
> >>>> Apache
> >>>> OpenOffice will deliver a session in the conference.
> >>>> In the Apache OpenOffice session, Peter Junge, Apache OpenOffice PMC
> >>>> member, will give a speech to introduce Apache OpenOffice, its history
> >>>> and
> >>>> way in Apache. And other contributors in Beijing will also give their
> >>>> speech to share the best practice of contribut

Re: [RELEASE] Update 4.0 planning items

[Shenfeng Liu]

Hi, all,
  I updated the planning wiki and moved most proposed feature/enhancement
with no owner from
4.0to
4.1.
  And I left "Encryption GUI" still in 4.0 for now, since TJ is discussing
the UI design and trying to get developer volunteer for this item. So I
suggest we revisit this item later (January?).

  Next, I'd like our owners to double check the following proposed items
and confirm if each of them can/should be in 4.0 (current target is to
release in April 2013). Again, I will move out those having no confirmation
after 1 week. (of course, any one is free to propose them back any time).

enhanced extensions manager The extensions manager should support
multiple repositories. Either via UI or via configuration only. - jsc
OpenSocial support Enable 'sharing' to OpenSocial container's Activity
Streams for document, chart, or spreadsheet review & comment - Kevin
Grignon (UX design)
MacOS support with Java dropped  - Herbert Duerr
Usability improvement in Ctrl+A and mouse operations in tables and sections
- Cheng Jian Hong
Interoperability improvement with MS Word 2007/2010 on Shape support  -
Zhang Ying
XLS loading performance with multiple pivot tables  - Wang Lei
Speaker notes support in normal view   - Chen Jin Hua
Include ODF Toolkit- robweir

  Thanks!


- Shenfeng (Simon)



2012/12/8 Jürgen Schmidt 

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> On 12/7/12 3:18 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:
> > On Fri, Dec 07, 2012 at 08:55:23AM -0500, TJ Frazier wrote:
> >> The "Encryption GUI" item has not attracted a sponsor. I added
> >> this per the resolution of a very long discussion in BZ [1].
> >> Subsequently, Jürgen wrote an extension to set "SHA256" mode, and
> >> I wrote a macro[2] to toggle the settings; both are still
> >> available.  (I have no idea whether any or many users have used
> >> them.)
> >>
> >> [1] 
> >>
> >> [2] 
> >> (this page includes text suitable for release notes)
> >>
> >> If somebody wants to pick up on this, and implement a GUI
> >> (probably in Tools > Options, possibly on the Save and Save As
> >> dialogs), that's wonderful. Lacking all fu for SVN and C++, I
> >> can't volunteer for this.
> >
> > the best way is to start a new thread asking for UX advice where
> > to include the option. IMHO the Save dialogs are a no-go, the
> > average user will have no idea what this means.
> >
> > On the other hand, Tools > Options > Load/Save > General has almost
> > no space to add anything else, but may be a new "Encryption"
> > options page is an overhead...
> >
>
> Mmh, maybe directly over the "Size optimization ..." checkbox.
>
> I have thought initially about Tools -> Options -> OpenOffice.org ->
> Security. There should be enough place for a checkbox with some
> explanation.
>
> Juergen
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Re: IAccessible2

[Shenfeng Liu]

Steve,
  Great progress!
  Could you please update the status on the wiki:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.0+IAccessible2 ?
  Thanks!


- Shenfeng (Simon)



2012/12/17 Steve Yin 

> Hi,
>
> IAccessible2 bridge related changes were just delivered into cws "ia2". The
> branch can be accessed from
> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branches/ia2/. It is not ready
> for test now.
> Does anyone interest in it? Any suggestions or comments are welcome.
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Steve Yin  wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > A branch named "ia2" was created for AOO IAccessible2 development.
> >
> > The development plan can be found here:
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.0+IAccessible2
> >
> > --
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > Steve Yin
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Best Regards,
>
> Steve Yin
>

Re: Is mwiki down?

[Shenfeng Liu]

It's back now! Thanks for every one!

- Shenfeng (Simon)


2012/12/17 janI 

> I  am on IRC right nowIt was dead and have a power recyclehopefully
> it comes up in a minute or two.
>
> jan I.
>
> On 17 December 2012 12:51, tj  wrote:
>
> > On 12/17/2012 06:22, Shenfeng Liu wrote:
> >
> >> I can not access mwiki now... Any one can help to check? Thanks!
> >>
> >> - Shenfeng (Simon)
> >>
> >>  Hi, Simon,
> >
> > Yes, it's down. The link below[1] is very handy for checking on things
> > like this.
> >
> > [1] <http://monitoring.apache.org/**status/<
> http://monitoring.apache.org/status/>
> > >
> >
> >
> > The mwiki is currently marked in red, which should mean that someone in
> > Infra is already hustling to fix it.
> >
> > /tj/
> >
> >
>

Re: Default Toolbar for Certain Languages

[Shenfeng Liu]

2012/12/19 imacat 

> On 2012/12/18 11:24, Fan Zheng said:
> > As we are considering about the side bar stuff currently, would you mind
> > giving us more specifications on your suggestions?
>
> Specificly, I'm thinking about installing this on both Chinese
> versions by default:
>
> http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/cpuncbar
>
> We may discuss about the list of punctuation marks, but that's the
> basic idea.  This is quite important to Chinese users, as people keep
> asking me about it.
>

imacat,
  I agree with you that it is a very useful feature! But IMO to build it
into product, we need a better design than the current extension. e.g. It
should be customizable, since there are so many special characters and
different people will ask for different characters on the toolbar. And
then, it should be general enough and be able to work for all languages
(even English), with different default set of characters?

- Shenfeng (Simon)



>
> > 2012/11/26 Rob Weir 
> >
> >> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 10:40 PM, imacat 
> >> wrote:
> >>> I would like to ask if it is possible for a default toolbar for
> >>> certain languages, but not all.  Out local community was asking a
> >>> Chinese punctuation toolbar for a long time, which they were used to it
> >>> since MS Office 97.  Unlike English punctuation, it is very trouble to
> >>> input Chinese full-width punctuation.  This toolbar helped them a lot.
> >>> I submit a request, and am amazed how fast words got spread and people
> >>> are enthusiastic about getting this done.
> >>>
> >>> http://goo.gl/mod/GTi6
> >>>
> >>> I know it is easy to do it in with a extension of BASIC macros.
> Is
> >>> it possible to include it in the OpenOffice installation?  Or maybe
> >>> hard-code it?
> >>>
> >>
> >> Hi -- is this new Extension related?
> >> http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/project/ROCtwTCP
> >>
> >> -Rob
> >>
> >>
> >>> --
> >>> Best regards,
> >>> imacat ^_*' 
> >>> PGP Key http://www.imacat.idv.tw/me/pgpkey.asc
> >>>
> >>> <> News: http://www.wov.idv.tw/
> >>> Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/
> >>> Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/
> >>> Apache OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/
> >>> EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/
> >>> Greenfoot Taiwan http://greenfoot.westart.tw/
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> imacat ^_*' 
> PGP Key http://www.imacat.idv.tw/me/pgpkey.asc
>
> <> News: http://www.wov.idv.tw/
> Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/
> Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/
> OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/
> EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/
> Greenfoot Taiwan http://greenfoot.westart.tw/
>
>

Re: [UX] Design Exploration - Task Pane Content Panel User Interface Design

[Shenfeng Liu]

Ariel,
  My comments below:

2012/12/19 Ariel Constenla-Haile 

> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 03:22:06PM +0800, Xin Li wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I have been exploring on Task Pane framework and content panel design.
> > I have post the 9 proposals on AOO UX wiki.
> >
> > See:
> >
> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_UX_Design_Exploration_-_Task_Pane_Content_Panel_-_User_Interface_Design_Proposals#Task_Pane_Content_Panel_-_UX_Design_propoals
> >
> > Capture any thoughts or feedback in the discussion section of the wiki
> > page. Thanks.
> >
> > <
> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_UX_Design_Exploration_-_Task_Pane_Content_Panel_-_User_Interface_Design_Proposals#Task_Pane_Content_Panel_-_UX_Design_propoals
> >
>
> It would be nice to have all the sidebar related pages under the same
> category.
>

You can start from :
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_4.0_Dockable_Task_Pane_%28Task_Bar%29_Design_Exploration.
And in section 5.2, you can find the link to Xin's page above.
Or you can go to our planning wiki for find the entrance:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.0+sidebar .


>
> Concerning the feature:
>
> - the jargon used in the different sidebar related pages is somehow hard
>   to understand, it would be nice to use the same terminology and have
>   a piRegardscture where this terminology is described
>

+1 for a terminology table. Perhaps in:
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_4.0_Dockable_Task_Pane_%28Task_Bar%29_Design_Exploration?


>
> - about the chosen colours: they shouldn't be hard-coded, and system
>   settings should be used (where available)
>

IMHO, it depends. system settings vary and can be customized which will
make our application look ugly some time. So if we can define good scheme
for ourselves (of course, not necessary to be hard-coded), I will say: "Why
not?"


- Shenfeng (Simon)



>
>
> Regards
> --
> Ariel Constenla-Haile
> La Plata, Argentina
>

Re: Chinese list (was Re: [Blog Draft] Update about Apache Asia Road Show Beijing 2012 @Dec 13)

[Shenfeng Liu]

2012/12/19 imacat 

> I wrote to Liu Tao and Ma, with no response yet.
>
> According to the previous discussion of me and Liu Tao, we concerned
> about the purpose of such list.  We may not be able to support other
> Chinese developers solely by so far (and there may not be so much
> Chinese discussion).  And there does not seem to be the need for a
> separate discussion between us.  Unless there is another proposal, I
> suppose the current situation (discussing on the dev@ list) is fine.
>
> Other proposal or idea is welcome.
>
I think it is on demand. I believe the Chinese list will be a good place
for Chinese volunteers to discuss in native language, especially for new
comers to quick startup.
So when we see many Chinese new comers to join, asking question even in
Chinese ^_^, we should seriously consider a Chinese mail list. And I'd like
to volunteer to be a moderator then. :)
But for now, I didn't see a strong requirement. So I suggest to keep
in dev@list.

- Shenfeng (Simon)


>
> On 2012/12/18 11:42, Pedro Giffuni said:
> > Hi Rob;
> >
> >> Da: Rob Weir
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 8:57 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
> >>> Hello;
> >>>
> >>> FWIW, one idea that I left floating during ApacheConEU was the
> creation of
> >>> a chinese list. Imacat was working on it, no idea if it the idea is
> still alive or
> >>> waiting for volunteers to help moderate, etc.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Interesting idea, but two of our committers in China are German
> >> (Peter) and Canadian (Kevin).  So discussing local Chinese marketing
> >> in English would possibly be better for them ;-)
> >>
> >
> > The idea is not only for Chinese marketing: I expect we will have a
> vibrant
> > Chinese user/developer community and there is likely to be a language
> barrier
> > so the list is also for community building and to treat specific chinese
> > (language) support issues.
> >
> > The creation and administration of such list depends on Chinese users so
> I
> > thought I would suggest it but I won't be pushing the topic further.
> >
> > cheers,
> >
> > Pedro.
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> imacat ^_*' 
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>
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> Greenfoot Taiwan http://greenfoot.westart.tw/
>
>

Re: OpenOffice Writer wins Linux Journal's Readers' Choice Award for Best Single Office Program

[Shenfeng Liu]

Congratulations!

2012/12/20 Albino Biasutti Neto 

> Hi
>
> 2012/12/19 Rob Weir :
> > For 3rd year in a row, OpenOffice Writer wins Linux Journal's Readers'
> > Choice Award for Best Single Office Program.  Congratulations,
> > everyone!
> >
> > http://www.linuxjournal.com/slideshow/readers-choice-2012?page=10
>
> Very well :-)
>
> disseminating ...
>
>
> --
>   Albino
> www.albino.ws
>

Re: [PROPOSAL] New Apache OpenOffice 4 logo proposals...

[Shenfeng Liu]

imacat,
  Your comments are so professional! :-)
  Personally I like this logo design more comparing to other candidates in
wiki.
Thanks Michael!
  While we may also want to update the app icon design as the next step for
consistent L&F...

- Shenfeng (Simon)




2012/12/20 imacat 

> Some honest thoughts:
>
>  1. These flat 3D plates feel a little weird.  The lights of the
> plates has the focus effect, but the lights of the plates have not.
>
>  2. I cannot see the connection of these plates with our four
> components easily, as the colors of Writer, Calc, Impress and Base are
> not Blue, Orange, Green and Purple.  And we have other components such
> as Math and Draw.
>
>  3. The directions of the lights are contradictory.  The lights of
> the orb come from above, while the lights of the plates (and also the
> plate of the orb) come from right.
>
> But still, thanks you very much for this great effort.
>
> On 2012/12/20 09:33, Michael Acevedo said:
> > Greetings to the AOO Team!
> >
> > Hello, after a few months of inactivity I've decided to get back in touch
> > with the AOO community. First, congratulations to the AOO team on
> > a successful graduation into a top-level Apache project from the Apache
> > Incubator.
> >
> > Now the reason on why I am writing this email is to formally submit a
> logo
> > proposal for the next version of the Apache OpenOffice 4.X logo.
> > Previously, I submitted an initial logo on the Apache OpenOffice Google+
> > community but I went back to the drawing board and created a second
> version
> > of the logo that both pays respect to the previous Apache OpenOffice orb,
> > but modernizes the look of the overall logo by adding 4 colored squares
> > that represent the four corners of our office suite (Writer, Calc,
> Impress,
> > and Base) and utilizing a streamlined font.
> >
> > Without further introductions, below I present my official submission for
> > the Apache OpenOffice 4.X logo.
> >
> > This first logo, is the proposed official logo for the project that would
> > be used for our webpage and some other materials.
> >
> >
> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-lETVSrwcgJc/UNJpH6G1sxI/ABg/JnpNrXdRgUo/s653/AOO%25204%2520LOGO%2520v2-5%2520Small%2520copy.jpg
> >
> > There's a secondary logo, which is basically the same logo but changes
> the
> > proportion of the OpenOffice orb making it better suited for the splash
> > screen that appears at the launch of the application.
> >
> >
> https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-uy8gU24uBZw/UNJpH8UiKiI/ABk/xfXTQjO8iQg/s912/AOO%25204%2520LOGO%2520v2-2.png
> >
> > Hope you guys like it and Happy holidays!
> >
>
>
> --
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>
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> Greenfoot Taiwan http://greenfoot.westart.tw/
>
>

Presentation for Apache Asia Roadshow 2012 Beijing is available (was: Presentation file under ALv2)

[Shenfeng Liu]

Peter,
  Thanks very much to consolidate the slides with Apache license!
  I added the link in the Events Calendar
wiki
.

- Shenfeng (Simon)


2012/12/29 Peter Junge 

> On 12/27/2012 4:10 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:
>
>> Yes Apache license is applicable to docs and presentations. If distributed
>> via the ASF then they should be Apache licensed.
>>
>
> OK, so it's the Apache License v2 that we have been choosing. We added a
> slide with IPR notices at page #2. The same information is available with
> the meta data. Anyone, please feel free to review:
> http://people.apache.org/~pj/**Apache_Asia_Road_Show_2012_**
> Beijing_OpenOffice_With_ALv2.**odp
>
> Best regards,
> Peter
>
>
>
>> Ross
>>
>> Sent from a mobile device, please excuse mistakes and brevity
>> On 27 Dec 2012 04:59, "Peter Junge"  wrote:
>>
>>  Hi,
>>>
>>> does anyone know if there's a common/best practice to put presentation
>>> files under ALv2 (or maybe another license like CC)? Is ALv2 applicable
>>> on
>>> presentations and other documents at all? If yes, how to issue the
>>> license
>>> with the presentation file? First page and/or last page and/or footer of
>>> each page and/or metadata?
>>>
>>> Concrete Situation: Liu Shengfeng, Liu Dali, Liu Tao and me have been
>>> presenting at the Apache Asia Roadshow 2012 and want to make our
>>> presentation file public with a proper license.
>>>
>>> Hope everyone had a nice Christmas and wishing a Happy New Year
>>> Peter
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: Draft blog response to top 10 questions

[Shenfeng Liu]

How about this for question 8?

Q: 8. "When is OpenOffice going to get a visual refresh and be built with
each OSes native widgets?"
A: Visual refresh is part of our continuous effort on user experience
improvement. It is a challenge work to innovate with modern UI vs. support
gradual transformation of huge amount of existing users, leverage OSes
native widgets vs. keep consistent L&F across platforms. Our UX designers
and developers are working together on it, and you will notice some
improvements in 4.0 which is coming around 2nd quarter. The more feedback
we get from you, the better design we can make.

Hope Kevin Grignon and other UX people can add better words...

- Shenfeng (Simon)


2013/1/4 Kay Schenk 

>
>
> On 01/03/2013 11:16 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Drew Jensen 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I wasn't looking, or thinking about AOO for a few months - missed the
>>> switch.
>>>
>>>
>> The old one was for product ideas.  The new one was for questions.  It
>> seemed like a good idea to keep these distinct.
>>
>>  Anyway, it is the top vote getter question there alright..
>>>
>>>
>> Let me know if you see any other questions that should be answered.
>> You may notice that no single iPad/Android question was in the top 10,
>> though there were several of them that were in the top 20.  So combing
>> the votes on those gave me an excuse to bump into into the winners
>> circle.  I might do the same for the Windows 8 support questions --
>> again, several of them where votes could be combined.
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>
> so far, so good...and sorry I can't really help with 7, 8, or 10
>
>
>
>>
>>  Oddly, I can't actually get the csv export from google on the proper
>>> question page - remote services, try back again in 2 minutes please ;)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
>>>
>>>  On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Drew Jensen >>> >
 wrote:

> Right - I've taken the csv export, sucked into Calc, removed the
> author/location columns completely, saved as ODS and imported that into
> Google Docs.
> Also added a column which subtracts, minus votes, and so yes getting a
> single question ranking is trivial.
>
>
 Google Moderator does that automatically.  That is part of their
 popularity ranking.  They might take some other factors into account,
 such as how recently a question was asked.  An older question had more
 time to get up votes, so some normalization seems desirable.  For
 purposes of the blog post I'm using the Google ordering rather than
 devising my own metric.


  Any reason, now that the author name/location is excised, not to share
>
 this

> raw data for reading. I was about to include the URL here, thought I'd
>
 ask

> to be sure no one minds.
>
>
 We had the URL on the front page of our website for weeks.  So it is
 hardly a state secret.  I'll add a link to the blog post as well.

 -Rob

  //drew
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
>
>  On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Drew Jensen <
>> drewjensen.in...@gmail.com
>>
>
>  wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Rob,
>>>
>>> Looking at the blog - I read it that the question abut LibO and AOO
>>> is
>>>
>> the
>>
>>> number one asked question, is that what it say?
>>>
>>> I'm looking at the google site and sorting by popularity under
>>> general
>>> questions and get:
>>> "Most of the times I deal with middle eastern languages. when I open
>>> a
>>> DOCX, DOC or PPTX, PPT file, the text changes from RTL to LTR and
>>> vice
>>> versa. no matter the file is in middle eastern language or latin.
>>>
>> please

> fix it."
>>>
>>>
>> You are looking at the wrong Google Moderator session.  Try this one:
>> http://www.google.com/**moderator/#16/e=2033e8
>>
>>  So, I just downloaded the stats as a csv file, don't see yet how to
>>>
>> get

> the
>>
>>> top questions by vote, haven't really looked yet..by any chance to
>>> you
>>> already have this in a neat SS that you could share,
>>>
>>>
>> You should be able to export to a CSV file if you find that more
>> convenient.  But the default sort order is by popularity, so picking
>> out the top questions is trivial, once you are looking at the right
>> page.
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>>
>>  Thanks,
>>>
>>> Drew
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Rory O'Farrell 
>>>
>> wrote:

>
>>>  On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 11:57:11 -0500
 Rob Weir  wrote:

 

  OK.  See if the revised answer is good.
>

 Revised text is very good.


 >>>
>
> Is there 

Re: [proposal] Adopt palette to Symphony palette partially

[Shenfeng Liu]

Armin,
  Thanks very much for your great work!
  I just recorded them in 4.0 planning wiki
here
.


- Shenfeng (Simon)


2013/1/2 Armin Le Grand 

> Hi List,
>
> I have now comitted the adapted version as discussed; please have a look
> in one of the next versions. As with gradients - suggestions are welcome,
> nothing i set in stone ;-)
>
> Sincerely,
> Armin
>
>
> On 20.12.2012 11:45, Armin Le Grand wrote:
>
>> Hi List,
>>
>> Talking about palettes is always difficult - at the end, it's a question
>> of taste. Nonetheless, we need a palette which is by default installed with
>> the office. You all know the current one (for years ;-)) which I think is
>> far from optimal. Thus, I analyzed the current one and want to share my
>> findings. From that, I want to propose a change for our next release. Also
>> probably not optimal, but optimal in this field depends on the user's eye
>> and cannot be met by a single palette anyways.
>>
>> Talking about palettes is also difficult since you need to 'see'
>> something - pictures say more than words. To make that easier, I have
>> prepared some data. Please look at
>>
>> A Impress document containing two slides (http://people.apache.org/~**
>> alg/Palette/palette.odp
>> )
>> The two slides as png's for convenience (http://people.apache.org/~**
>> alg/Palette/palette.png,
>> http://people.apache.org/~alg/**Palette/palette2.png
>> )
>>
>> The following thext refers to figures there, so please take a look to see
>> what the text is about (...if you want to continue reading ;-))
>>
>> The current (old?) AOO Palette, It's made up of five groups (from my
>> perspective):
>>
>> (a) The 16 VGA colors: These come originally from the times where only 16
>> colors were possible and are in hex color notation exactly all eight
>> combinations of red/green/blue on or off, plus these in half intensity. It
>> *had* technical reasons, but these colors do not have any special meaning
>> for the user today (well, for the programmer). Anyways, they are a result
>> of old technical limitations. I think they are ugly and lead to ugly
>> results when using them directly (but that's my impression).
>>
>> (b) The 'Main' Colors: 56 colors which try to build up to eight
>> gradient-stepped ranges, e.g. orange. These ranges are *not* equidistantly
>> spread, but somewhat wild/random (see e.g. the reds). I do not know where
>> they historically come from, but I guess they were done by a deveoper at
>> these days. There are some nice colors among them, but not too many. I
>> always search for useful colors there
>>
>> (c) The Pale colors: These seem to be younger than the others, may have
>> to do historically with the StarOffice 5.2 color theme, but I'm not sure.
>> Not too bad, not too good a selection. A group of seven colors which form a
>> nice kind of 'schema' and make your presentation look 'acceptable' when
>> using them together.
>>
>> (d) The Chart colors: 12 colors used in the new chart module written some
>> years ago. AFAIK these were added at that time especially to support the
>> user having colors at hand corresponding to the default chart colors. Nice.
>> Useful.
>>
>> (e) 'Nice' Colors: A sub-group from (b). One is fix, it's the mentioned
>> 'Blue 9' which is currently the default color for objects and has to be in
>> the palette. I personally like (and often use) 'Blue Gray'. These are a
>> question of taste, I would reccomend the named ones, but we need to collect
>> 'your' favorites here. Keep in mind to keep this number low (probably 4-5)
>> and do not forget that the color you like were not choosen freely, but
>> *because* you were limited to the offered ones, so it might be a compromize
>> you are just used to.
>>
>> Quite a mix. I compared it with Syphony's palette and there completely
>> new colors are used. One interesting aspect are the white/gray/black ones:
>> In our current palette these are divided between (a) (black, white and two
>> grays) and (b) (the rest, gray 80% .. gray 20%). This is of course because
>> the first four grays are technically in the old VGA palette. I more than
>> once were mad about finding the correct gray in our palette, because of the
>> bad positioning in it. Symphony has all needed grays in one draw as first
>> entries in the palette (what I would expect nowadays).
>>
>> Thus, I propose:
>> - Basically use Symphony palette
>> - Preserve some nice olors from our old palette, but not more than 4 or
>> 5. The default color needs to be preserved (blue 9). I propose to only keep
>> 'Blue Gray', but let's see which other colors are favorites here...
>> - Add the Pale colors
>> - Add the Chart colors
>>
>> The result is 'hand crafted' in the docs linked above, please have a look
>> :-)
>>
>> Another asp

Re: Version 3.5 or is it 4.0 ??

[Shenfeng Liu]

2013/1/4 Drew Jensen 

> Also, on the accessibility updates, I noted on the wiki page some dates.
>
> Looks like preliminary updates are in the current build as of Oct, but
> first useful updates not till next month, and full merge middle of the year
> - so is that the same basic timing before the UI changes will show up in
> the nightly builds also, early February?
>

Drew,
  Yes, the accessibility work is also planned for 4.0, but currently the
development work is in a separated branch, so you can not see it in the
main trunk yet. I believe Steve Yin can provide more detailed plan on
merging the works to the main trunk.

- Shenfeng (Simon)

Re: [PROPOSAL] New Apache OpenOffice 4 logo proposals...

[Shenfeng Liu]

Michael,
  Thanks for you continuous working on it!
  While honestly, I feel the latest design little different than the
current 3.4.x logo.

  I'm not a designer, so I only describe what in my mind: maybe we can
simply (perhaps not so simple...) try to make stronger 3D effect to the
orb, adding more transparency effort to make it like a blue crystal ball...
some light going through the orb, but not only reflect on the surface...
and the 2 sea gulls flying out from inside...

  And I also like to see "4" to be highlighted with a bright color other
than grey. Since it is the number we want to promote.

  Just my 0.02$

- Shenfeng (Simon)


2013/1/6 Michael Acevedo 

> Armin,
>
> I decided to change the color of the rounded square from black to the AOO
> orb blue color and take out the circles of the suites components, and the
> blue background of the gull rings. The result, a clean looking logo without
> the rings (for those that dislike them), that looks modern. You can take a
> peek here:
>
>
> https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-KbL_2pEb5C8/UOilxF9rEaI/A94/VCnM0_MTQZ4/s759/AOO%25204%2520LOGO%2520All%2520Proposals%2520Bluecon%2520copy.jpg
>
> Hope you guys like it.
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 5:56 AM, Armin Le Grand  >wrote:
>
> > Hi Michael,
> >
> > thanks for the continued work, I like it more than the prev ones. Still,
> > for my taste, it is too complicated. I honour to try to add information
> > about the available applications, but - for a logo, it's too complicated.
> > The big plus with the orb is it's *simplicity* from my POV.
> > Thus, I took the time and quickly created what I think would be enough
> > (using Draw ;-)). Have a look at:
> >
> > The draw file: http://people.apache.org/~alg/**Logos/AOOLogo.odg<
> http://people.apache.org/~alg/Logos/AOOLogo.odg>
> > The same as screenshot (for quick viewing):
> http://people.apache.org/~alg/
> > **Logos/AOOLogo.png 
> >
> > It is:
> > - simple
> > - modernized to the (now) famous 'app'-Logo form
> > - easy to remember
> > - easy to reproduce
> >
> > No Text. If text is needed, place it beneath or below.
> > No Numbers. If needed, place beneath or below.
> > Keep it simple :-)
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> >
> > On 27.12.2012 05:07, Michael Acevedo wrote:
> >
> >> Greetings to all in the mailing list and those in this AOO Logo Proposal
> >> subject,
> >>
> >> In this email, I would like to mention that I have added two new logo
> >> proposals to the Apache OpenOffice Logo exploration wiki article. Now
> let
> >> me explain what this new logo it's all about.
> >>
> >> The new logo design does away with the orb and changes it for a gull
> ring
> >> that rests under a blue background which itself rests on circles which
> are
> >> inspired on the Adobe Flex logo multicolor scheme. The new gull ring
> while
> >> being new, retains the familiar circular shape of the current OpenOffice
> >> logo, but at the same time is a new take that pays respect to the orb.
> All
> >> of these elements are wrapped in a modern black gradient icon than makes
> >> the logo stand out. Furthermore, the new logo actually changes the look
> of
> >> the word OpenOffice into a more modern non-capitalized "openoffice" word
> >> design (also an inspiration from the Adobe Flex project logo). The
> latter
> >> serves the function of highlighting Apache as the owner of the project
> >> (whose name is in capital letters), yet the non-capitalized "openoffice"
> >> names takes presence by being written in a larger size font. Overall,
> the
> >> new logo design is simple, clean, and modern.
> >>
> >> Now that I have given a sense of the new logo, I would like to show you
> a
> >> reveal video:
> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=AC-tOuhTm9Y<
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AC-tOuhTm9Y>
> >>
> >> But there is one last detail, which actually is a testament to the power
> >> of
> >> OpenOffice. The detail is that the logo that you see at the end of the
> >> video was 99% made in Apache OpenOffice Draw.
> >>
> >> Hope you liked the logo and the reveal video.
> >>
> >> Happy Holidays!
> >>
> >> You can see the formal proposal in the Cwiki at Apache:
> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/**confluence/display/OOOUSERS/**
> >> AOO+4.x+-+Logo+Explorations<
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.x+-+Logo+Explorations
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 11:20 PM, Michael Acevedo 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>  Greetings Kevin, I would not mind posting the logos to that AOO UX
> wiki.
> >>> Thing is I don't know where it is or whether it is on the cwiki or
> mwiki
> >>> (if it is on the latter, I need to request an account).
> >>>
> >>> Let me know.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Saturday, December 22, 2012, Kevin Grignon wrote:
> >>>
> >>>  Michael,
> 
>  Great work. Design is very iterative. Keep pushing!
> 
>  Using the design explorations is a great way to stimulate a
> conversation
>  which can help us bet

Re: [UX] Five new presentation template design

[Shenfeng Liu]

Xin,
  They are so nice! Thanks very much for your contributing!

  And I agree it will be good to build in some new templates in 4.0.

  Also, I hope we can change the default paragraph setting in the
templates. Currently, the default Spacing value of "Below paragraph" is
much bigger than "Above paragraph", which will make the multi-level bullet
contents looks strange. We should exchange the default value.


- Shenfeng (Simon)


2013/1/9 Xin Li 

> Hi all,
>
> We have some new presentation template design and have uploaded five new
> templates. Welcome to have a try and give me some feedback.  Thanks.
>
> http://templates.services.openoffice.org/en/node/9165
> http://templates.services.openoffice.org/en/node/9169
> http://templates.services.openoffice.org/en/node/9171
> http://templates.services.openoffice.org/en/node/9173
> http://templates.services.openoffice.org/en/node/9175
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Xin Li   李欣
> UX designer
>

Re: Symphony code in AOO 4.0

[Shenfeng Liu]

2013/1/11 Rob Weir 

> On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 8:03 PM, Andrea Pescetti 
> wrote:
> > Rob Weir wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm reading FUD, from the usual misinformed suspects ... I
> >>
> >> can certainly sympathize with leaders of communities that can only be
> >> held together by irrational fears.  It is not easy to maintain that
> >> peak level of paranoia.
> >
> >
> > Your personal opinions on the people involved (I admit I have very little
> > context, I only had the time to read the discussion here but nothing
> else so
> > far) are best kept separated from the important fact, that is that
> > apparently incorrect information is being circulated about the benefits
> that
> > the Symphony donation is bringing to OpenOffice and to the
> free/open-source
> > software world in general.
> >
> >
> >> Anyone who cares to look can
> >> see that we've actually integrated quite a but of Symphony code into
> >> the AOO trunk already.   For example, the following 167 bug fixes
> >
> >
> > People don't care to look, unfortunately... But I definitely agree that
> this
> > listing is impressive, as it is this page:
> >
> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Fidelity_Improvement_Since_AOO341
> >
> > If you manage to co-author a blog post with Shenfeng Liu (or someone else
> > from the former Symphony team) about the integrated fixes/features, this
> > will be an important service to the OpenOffice users. But please, let's
> do
> > it because it's important in itself and because it's clearly overdue
> (aside
> > from a brief mention in the "top 10 questions" posts), not because
> someone
> > feels the need to address some particular wrong or misleading claim.
> >
>
> Clarifying the facts where misinformation is being spread is part of
> the necessary communications that any project needs to engage in.  We
> saw that as a podling, when the ASF itself addressed misinformation
> regarding this project.  Now this is our responsibility.
>
> Of course, misinformation about insubstantial matters is best ignored.
>  But where misinformation is propagated about substantial project
> operations, then that is sufficient motivation for the contents and
> timing of a post to correct such misinformation.
>
> In any case, pointing out the lie on this list already gives 90% of
> the benefit, since such FUD cannot survive the light of day.  A blog
> post is unnecessary.
>

IMHO, we can consider a blog post about our progress on the 4.0 release,
including the contents we are working on, e.g. fidelity,
performance&reliability, accessibility, usability, enhanced platform
support... Symphony's contribution is part of this story.
If we decided to post it, I'd like to be the co-author.
Thanks!

- Shenfeng (Simon)





>
> -Rob
>
> > Regards,
> >   Andrea.
>

Re: Symphony code in AOO 4.0

[Shenfeng Liu]

2013/1/12 Kay Schenk 

> On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 1:20 AM, Shenfeng Liu  wrote:
>
> > 2013/1/11 Rob Weir 
> >
> > > On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 8:03 PM, Andrea Pescetti 
> > > wrote:
> > > > Rob Weir wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> I'm reading FUD, from the usual misinformed suspects ... I
> > > >>
> > > >> can certainly sympathize with leaders of communities that can only
> be
> > > >> held together by irrational fears.  It is not easy to maintain that
> > > >> peak level of paranoia.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your personal opinions on the people involved (I admit I have very
> > little
> > > > context, I only had the time to read the discussion here but nothing
> > > else so
> > > > far) are best kept separated from the important fact, that is that
> > > > apparently incorrect information is being circulated about the
> benefits
> > > that
> > > > the Symphony donation is bringing to OpenOffice and to the
> > > free/open-source
> > > > software world in general.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> Anyone who cares to look can
> > > >> see that we've actually integrated quite a but of Symphony code into
> > > >> the AOO trunk already.   For example, the following 167 bug fixes
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > People don't care to look, unfortunately... But I definitely agree
> that
> > > this
> > > > listing is impressive, as it is this page:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Fidelity_Improvement_Since_AOO341
> > > >
> > > > If you manage to co-author a blog post with Shenfeng Liu (or someone
> > else
> > > > from the former Symphony team) about the integrated fixes/features,
> > this
> > > > will be an important service to the OpenOffice users. But please,
> let's
> > > do
> > > > it because it's important in itself and because it's clearly overdue
> > > (aside
> > > > from a brief mention in the "top 10 questions" posts), not because
> > > someone
> > > > feels the need to address some particular wrong or misleading claim.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Clarifying the facts where misinformation is being spread is part of
> > > the necessary communications that any project needs to engage in.  We
> > > saw that as a podling, when the ASF itself addressed misinformation
> > > regarding this project.  Now this is our responsibility.
> > >
> > > Of course, misinformation about insubstantial matters is best ignored.
> > >  But where misinformation is propagated about substantial project
> > > operations, then that is sufficient motivation for the contents and
> > > timing of a post to correct such misinformation.
> > >
> > > In any case, pointing out the lie on this list already gives 90% of
> > > the benefit, since such FUD cannot survive the light of day.  A blog
> > > post is unnecessary.
> > >
> >
> > IMHO, we can consider a blog post about our progress on the 4.0 release,
> > including the contents we are working on, e.g. fidelity,
> > performance&reliability, accessibility, usability, enhanced platform
> > support... Symphony's contribution is part of this story.
> > If we decided to post it, I'd like to be the co-author.
> > Thanks!
> >
> > - Shenfeng (Simon)
> >
>
> Yes, this is a good idea! I would suggest we wait until the 3.4.1 re-spin
> is done on Jan 24th to do this, though.
>
> I could have sworn that when we put out the blog post on Nov. 21 for
> Marketing volunteers that we had a link in to the release planning for 4.0
> -- this would be
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.0+Release+Planning--
> but I don't see a link now looking at:
> https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/.
>
>  So, hmmmmaybe a new blog on 4.0 status would help?
>
> Kay,
  I agree. Let's post a 4.0 status update after 3.4.1 re-spin.

- Shenfeng (Simon)


>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > -Rob
> > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >   Andrea.
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
>
> 
> MzK
>
> "No act of kindness, no matter how small, is ever wasted."
>  --
> Aesop
>

Re: (Draft) Introduction to Development module

[Shenfeng Liu]

2013/1/16 Rob Weir 

> On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Regina Henschel
>  wrote:
> > Hi Rob,
> >
> > Rob Weir schrieb:
> >
> >> On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 3:44 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann
> >>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 14.01.2013 20:01, Rob Weir wrote:
> 
> 
>  http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/intro-development.html
> 
>  The idea here is to have a dev-focused introduction page that works
>  along side the similar pages we have for Marketing and QA.  This is
>  the first draft.   I already see a few typos, so don't worry about
>  those.   But I am looking for more content.
> 
>  What else should we put here?  Any other links?  Any other startup
>  tasks?
> 
> >
> > There exists different type of "development":
> > - changing the core
> > - using AOO in other applications
> > - adding functionality to AOO via extensions and macros
> >
>
> Right.  It is a term with several meanings.  But only the first one
> involves a volunteer contributing to the project, so it should be
> clear from the context.
>
> > Your text addresses only "changing the core". That is likely correct,
> when
> > someone reaches that page following a hierarchical instruction. But
> nowadays
> > pages are more often found by searching.
> >
>
> Good point.
>
> > So my suggestion is, to make a short page for the other type of
> development
> > and add at the beginning of your text, the target audience of your page
> and
> > a reference to the other page.
> >
>
> Right now, when I search Google for 'OpenOffice development' I get this
> page:
>
> http://www.openoffice.org/development/
>
> That looks like a mix of topics, but need to be updated.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
> > I don' know, whether an introduction page for the other kind of
> development
> > already exist. But it should contain hints to:
> > - a...@openoffice.apache.org
> > - existence and download of SDK
> > -
> http://www.openoffice.org/api/docs/common/ref/com/sun/star/module-ix.html
> > - http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/BASIC_Guide
> > -
> >
> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/DevGuide/OpenOffice.org_Developers_Guide
> > [- http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Using_Cpp_with_the_OOo_SDK, if it
> will be
> > continued]
> >
> >
> >
> >>>
> >>> I think it makes sense to include the link to the OpenGrok instance
> from
> >>> Adfinis Sygroup [1] which can be also used to "inspect" the source
> code.
> >>>
> >>> [1] http://opengrok.adfinis-sygroup.org/source/
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> Thanks!  I made changes, mainly additions, based on your feedback and
> >> earlier comments from Kay and Jan.  Here is the updated version:
> >>
> >> http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/intro-development.html
> >
> >
> > The section 'Other Useful Resources' should have a link to
> > http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Source_code_directories
> > and
> > http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Coding_Standards
> > and
> > http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Writer/Code_Conventions
> > However, they seem to need revision and additions. But they are useful
> for
> > newcomer nevertheless.
> >
>
> OK.  I created new sections for "Orienting Yourself" and "Coding
> Standards".
>
>
> > A hint to Doxygen for LibreOffice. The tool is helpful and it would be
> nice
> > to have a similar thing for AOO. If a module has it, you can get it when
> you
> > click on the module name in http://docs.libreoffice.org/ and then on
> > 'Doxygen'. Try it for example with module 'sd'.
> >
>
> I agree, that would be nice.
>
> Does anyone have any hints for debugging?  Or do we even have a page
> on debug logging/tracing?  For easy hacks it is probably sufficient to
> insert debugging log statements and debug things that way.
>
> -Rob
>

Rob,
  The page looks great! Of course there are more detailed guidance that we
need to add or update (e.g. debug, build...), but we can complement them
gradually.

  We already have a volunteer directory wiki[1], and I think we should
encourage them to register.
  And further more, I'm thinking if we should create a new wiki page and
give a checklist for new developers to record their progress, e.g. "build
successfully on xx platform", "can debug", "submitted n patch(es)".
(1) For themselves, it will be great to feel their own progress with
regular milestone achievements.
(2) For other new comers, this page can be a good reference to get help
and exchange the experience, who still has fresh memory to some of the pain
that old members might forgot already. :P
(3) For community, it is definitely good to know where are our new
comers. e.g. If few new volunteers recorded "build successfully", we need
to check with them and review if our document is not adequate...

  Just my 0.02$.

[1]
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Directory+of+Volunteers


- Shenfeng





>
> >
> > Kind regards
> > Regina
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: [Call For QA Volunteers] AOO UI IAccessible2 testing work

[Shenfeng Liu]

Steve,
  Thanks very much for your work on the Accessibility development work!
  For the calling for Accessibility QA volunteers, I wonder if there is any
skill requirement, or tool that we prefer to use in testing?

- Shenfeng (Simon)


2013/1/25 Steve Yin 

> Hi all,
>
> The UI part of the AOO IAccessible2 migration dev work will be done in a
> few days. We need QA volunteers to join the testing work and ensure the
> migration quality. This work will be started on the branch "ia2".
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branches/ia2
>
> If you are interested in AOO IAccessible2 testing work, please reply this
> mail. Thanks.
>
> --
> Best Regards,
>
> Steve Yin
>

Re: Sidebar color scheme survey

[Shenfeng Liu]

Andre,
  Thanks for the great work!
  I search out the original sidebar post on facebook:
http://www.facebook.com/ApacheOO/posts/395424523873910
  And the result till now shows that B1 and B3 are more favorite, and A1 is
following.

  Here is what I counted out (some people voted for multiple options. And
if some one just say "I like 3", I will +1 for A3, B3 and C3):

A1: 4
A2: 1
A3: 2
B1: 5
B2: 1
B3: 5
C1: 2
C2: 1
C3: 3

- Shenfeng (Simon)



2013/1/30 Kevin Grignon 

> Andre,
>
> This is looking really great.
>
> Re: colour
> An initial goal for the sidebar is to compliment, but not compete with of
> distract users from the canvas. In an effort to minimize UI noise and help
> keep the focus on the editor canvas - the work - I recommend we adopt a
> hybrid of proposal 1 & 3: a grey background with suitable contrast for the
> title sections, a darker grey.
>
> Another option might be to use a gradient for the section title. Darker to
> lighter, top to bottom. This would frame the header, reinforce the
> expand/collapse affordable And reinforce the info architecture. More
> importantly, if the gradient resolved to the background colour, it would
> eliminate the line between the header text and the content. This will
> strengthen the association between the section title and content and
> mitigate the Lego effect. I can prep a sketch to illustrate my point.
>
> Re: control styles
> Again, noise reduction and consistency would be best. Flat backgrounds are
> consistent with other toolbars and reduce non-actionable pixels. I
> recommend we implement Proposal B.
>
> Again, great job.
>
> I'm looking forward to exploring new and exciting uses for the sidebar
> framework.
>
> Best regards,
> Kevin
>
>
>
> On Jan 29, 2013, at 11:41 PM, Andre Fischer  wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Development of the sidebar is progressing well.  It already looks a lot
> like the mockups posted by Xin Li on December 18th [1].  I have
> concentrated on the underlying framework, so there is only one partially
> migrated panel so far.  Nevertheless the framework is now flexible enough
> to think about the default color scheme to use. There are developer builds
> [2] and an extension that allow live evaluation of the nine different color
> schemes from [1].
> >
> > I would like to ask you to either look at the mockups at [1] or try the
> developer builds [2] and tell me what color scheme you like best.
> >
> > General information about the sidebar, the current state of development
> and how to help can be found in the wiki [3].
> >
> > Thanks in advance for you help,
> > Andre
> >
> >
> > [1]
> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_UX_Design_Exploration_-_Task_Pane_Content_Panel_-_User_Interface_Design_Proposals#Task_Pane_Content_Panel_-_UX_Design_propoals
> > [2] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar#Developer_Builds
> > [3] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar
> >
> > PS: I remember Rob having asked the same question on our Facebook site
> but can not find the email anymore.  I also remember that the feedback was
> somewhat inconclusive.  Does anybody know the details?
> >
>

Re: Are there still patchs from Synphony to merge?

[Shenfeng Liu]

2013/1/31 Fan Zheng 

> Hi, Raphael:
>
> Thank you so much!
>
> Yes there are still items from Symphony that should be merged into AOO. But
> there is one thing should be clarified anyway that, which part you want to
> get in? Defect fixing? Solution reviewing? and the QA works?
>
> 2013/1/30 Raphael Bircher 
>
> > Hi at all
> >
> > Are there still patchs (bugfixes) from Synphony to merge? I'm willing to
> > help in this area. I have enought power to compile and test patchs here.
> >
> > Do we have same instructions?
> >
> > Greetings Raphael
> >
>

Raphael,
  Welcome!
  There is one way you can try is to search the open defects in Bugzilla
with [From Symphony] in headline. This tag means Symphony already has the
fix for this defect, but didn't migrate to AOO yet.

- Shenfeng (Simon)

Re: [Accessibility] IA2 bridge and UI related changes were submitted on the branch "ia2"

[Shenfeng Liu]

Steve,
  Great work!
  Since Phase II is only half way on the full Accessibility support, I
wonder if we can provide more details (on wiki) for the enhancement we
implemented, so that QA can do related verification.
  Thanks!

- Shenfeng (Simon)



2013/2/1 Steve Yin 

> Hi all,
>
> IAccessible2 for UI on the branch "ia2" is ready for QA now.
>
> SVN: http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branches/ia2/
>
> --
> Best Regards,
>
> Steve Yin
>

Re: Presentation templates for ApacheCon NA 2013

[Shenfeng Liu]

I talked to Xin Li, who was the template designer of 2012 ApacheCon EU. She
kindly agreed to think about the template. But the problem is that next
week is Chinese Spring Festival Holidays, and Xin may not able to work on
it till Feb 16. Considering that we don't have much time left, I'd like to
call for more UX volunteers to work together on the template design.
If any one have interest in the template design, you can refer to the Apach
OpenOffice template site here <http://templates.openoffice.org> . And you
can find the template used for 2012 ApacheCon EU
here<http://templates.openoffice.org/en/node/8865>.
I think the key is the background theme, which, IMHO, should have:
(1) Apache logo + conference name;
(2) some character of the host (e.g. for 2012 ApacheCon EU, we designed the
ribbons of black+red+yellow to indicate that it was hosted in Germany).

Just my 0.02$. And I also copied to openoffice dev list, hoping to have
more volunteers.

- Shenfeng (Simon)



2013/2/7 Steve Holden 

> I believe Daniel Gruno was kind enough to do some graphics for us for
> ACEU, and I believe ShenFeng Liu of the Open Office Group prepared the
> templates. I have copied them both in case they would like to, and have
> time to, help.
>
> regards
>  Steve
>
>
>
> On Feb 6, 2013, at 10:21 AM, Mark Grover wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I was looking to see if there are any presentation templates available for
> ApacheCon NA 2013.
>
> I found some graphics at http://holdenweb.com/acna13gfx/ but no
> presentation templates. I also found a similar thread for ApacheCon Europe
> with some templates (
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-apachecon-discuss/201210.mbox/%3c506bcc23.6070...@nanthrax.net%3E
> )
> but nothing for ApacheCon NA 2013.
>
> Any pointers or templates would be much appreciated!
>
> Thanks!
> Mark
>
>
> Steve Holden st...@holdenweb.com +1 571 484 6266  @holdenweb
> --
> Python classes (and much more) through the web http://oreillyschool.com/
> Conferences and technical event management at http://theopenbastion.com/
>
> Next event:ApacheCon NA 2013: Feb 26-28 http://na.apachecon.com/
> Community events: Barcamp Feb 24  Hackathon Feb 25   Development Mar 1/2
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: Sidebar color scheme survey

[Shenfeng Liu]

2013/2/8 Rob Weir 

> On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 7:20 PM, Kevin Grignon 
> wrote:
> > KG 01
> >
> > On Feb 8, 2013, at 6:17 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Andrea Pescetti 
> wrote:
> >>> On 29/01/2013 Andre Fischer wrote:
> 
>  I would like to ask you to either look at the mockups at [1] or try
> the
>  developer builds [2] and tell me what color scheme you like best.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> We have two votes for A2 at
> >>>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/openoffice-progetto-it/201301.mbox/browser
> >>> to which I'll add mine too. So make it +3 for proposal A2 as listed at
> >>>
> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_UX_Design_Exploration_-_Task_Pane_Content_Panel_-_User_Interface_Design_Proposals#Task_Pane_Content_Panel_-_UX_Design_propoals
> >>>
> >>
> >> A bunch of responses on Facebook as well:
> >>
> >> https://www.facebook.com/ApacheOO/posts/490670047645797
> >>
> >> I asked for a preference and "why", so the comments are interesting as
> well.
> >>
> >> -Rob
> >
> > Can someone summarize the sentiment on facebook for those of us who
> cannot access such social media sites.
> >
>
> Sorry.  It is easy to forget that Facebook is not accessible
> everywhere.  Here is a copy/paste:
>
>
> Tomáš Kebert B2. Gradient would look inconsistent on different
> platforms, emboss looks oldschool, and so does the dark gray
> background of titles.
>
> Tomáš Kebert On a different note, I think something like "apply these
> setting on the style used" would come in handy added to such panel.
>
> Martin Schröder i'd vote for proposal 2, but i don't like either of
> a,b,c. i think b is the most clearly variant, but the groups of
> buttons should be separated differently (i don't know how...)
>
> Shaun Michael Coates Proposal 3 - My eyes easily distinguished content
> panels with this option.
>
> Proposal B - The simple lines as a spliter looks the cleanest.
>
> Rob Lewellyn Proposal 3. Nicest contrast!
>
> Luis Elizondo B3 is my favorite. B2 it's nice too.
>
> Michael Cohen B3 is my pick! It's easy to read and it's separates the
> buttons nicely.
>
> Matthew Nelson B3 BINGO!
>
> Mindaugas Baranauskas A3
>
> Francesco Esposito even the toolbar at the top of the same color
> (gray), the pale blue of Windows is horrible
>
> Francesco Esposito A2 or B2
>
> Raffaello Palandri A1
>
> Osvaldo Meloni VERY DIFFICUL diria Tevez !
>
> Ariel Shushan B3 - easiest to read
>
> Gonzalo Varela B1 for me. Classy, easy on eyes and clear to read, I
> avoid bright backgrunds in apps that you spend a lot of time workin on
> it. Keep it simple please.
>
> Cátia Gonçalves B2
>
>
>
So great to have so many feedback!

Here is my preference:
- B1 for properties panels, which have many buttons and controls.
- B3 for panels as clipart and template, which have many pictures.

In fact I like all the design options. While existing users' adaption when
they upgrade to 4.0, I suggest we start from the "normal" style in 4.0, and
improve gradually per wider feedback after.

- Shenfeng (Simon)



>
> > Thanks,
> > Kevin
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>  Andrea.
>

Re: Presentation templates for ApacheCon NA 2013

[Shenfeng Liu]

Saransh,
  Thanks very much for your help!
  As I mentioned below, you can refer to the Apache OpenOffice template
website <http://templates.openoffice.org> and ApacheCon EU 2012
template<http://templates.openoffice.org/en/node/8865>.
  We need to design 1 cover slide and 1 content slide. Last time we made
the visual design in 2000*1500 jpeg files firstly. If people like the
design, then we can take the picture as background and build the template
(which I'm good at and can help ^_^ ).

- Shenfeng (Simon)


2013/2/8 Saransh Sharma 

> Count me in I love designing ...so tell me where to start ...bytheway i am
> an designer
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 8:53 AM, Steve Holden  wrote:
>
>> Shenfeng:
>>
>> Thank you very much. I think given the season the Chinese contingent can
>> be said to have fulfilled its obligations.
>>
>> I trust you will all have a very joyous Spring Festival.
>>
>> If any volunteer reading this wishes to approach the task, please get in
>> touch.
>>
>> regards
>>  Steve
>>
>> On Feb 7, 2013, at 7:05 PM, Shenfeng Liu wrote:
>>
>> > I talked to Xin Li, who was the template designer of 2012 ApacheCon EU.
>> She kindly agreed to think about the template. But the problem is that next
>> week is Chinese Spring Festival Holidays, and Xin may not able to work on
>> it till Feb 16. Considering that we don't have much time left, I'd like to
>> call for more UX volunteers to work together on the template design.
>> > If any one have interest in the template design, you can refer to the
>> Apach OpenOffice template site here . And you can find the template used
>> for 2012 ApacheCon EU here .
>> > I think the key is the background theme, which, IMHO, should have:
>> > (1) Apache logo + conference name;
>> > (2) some character of the host (e.g. for 2012 ApacheCon EU, we designed
>> the ribbons of black+red+yellow to indicate that it was hosted in Germany).
>> >
>> > Just my 0.02$. And I also copied to openoffice dev list, hoping to have
>> more volunteers.
>> >
>> > - Shenfeng (Simon)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 2013/2/7 Steve Holden 
>> > I believe Daniel Gruno was kind enough to do some graphics for us for
>> ACEU, and I believe ShenFeng Liu of the Open Office Group prepared the
>> templates. I have copied them both in case they would like to, and have
>> time to, help.
>> >
>> > regards
>> >  Steve
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Feb 6, 2013, at 10:21 AM, Mark Grover wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi,
>> >> I was looking to see if there are any presentation templates available
>> for
>> >> ApacheCon NA 2013.
>> >>
>> >> I found some graphics at http://holdenweb.com/acna13gfx/ but no
>> >> presentation templates. I also found a similar thread for ApacheCon
>> Europe
>> >> with some templates (
>> >>
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-apachecon-discuss/201210.mbox/%3c506bcc23.6070...@nanthrax.net%3E
>> )
>> >> but nothing for ApacheCon NA 2013.
>> >>
>> >> Any pointers or templates would be much appreciated!
>> >>
>> >> Thanks!
>> >> Mark
>> >
>> > Steve Holden st...@holdenweb.com +1 571 484 6266
>>  @holdenweb
>> > --
>> > Python classes (and much more) through the web
>> http://oreillyschool.com/
>> > Conferences and technical event management at
>> http://theopenbastion.com/
>> >
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Re: which version to use

[Shenfeng Liu]

Galileo,
  3.4.1 is the most recent version. You can download it from here:
http://www.openoffice.org/download/

- Shenfeng (Simon)


2013/2/3 Galileo Teco Juárez 

> hi
> I volunter
>
> I volunteer
> I begin to understand the development of extensions
>
> I have a question.
> which is the most stable version to start
> always downloaded the latest version
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Re: Presentation templates for ApacheCon NA 2013

[Shenfeng Liu]

Xin,
  I just try the template, and looks very good! Thanks very much!

Saransh,
  Also looking forward your template!


- Shenfeng (Simon)


2013/2/18 Saransh Sharma 

> Guys i will be uploading something today.so wait...for me also!!
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 5:05 PM, Xin Li  wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I just create a template for this Apache North America Conference based
> on
> > the template of Apache EU Conference. I think the two conference template
> > should be a series template.
> >
> > Please find the template by the link:
> >
> http://templates.services.openoffice.org/en/template/upload/thankyou/9282
> >
> > Welcome to share your thoughts and feedback.Thanks.
> >
> >
> > 2013/2/15 Andrea Pescetti 
> >
> > > Saransh Sharma wrote:
> > >
> > >> Ok Great let me work on it how much time do we have to complete
> this
> > >> ...if we have short time i can ask my fellow designers to contribute
> and
> > >> to
> > >> help me if we have ample time then great!!!
> > >>
> > >
> > > Most presenters will start working on their presentations in the coming
> > > weekend (i.e., tomorrow!). There's no need for an elaborate template;
> > > something like the ApacheCon EU one
> > > http://templates.openoffice.**org/en/node/8865<
> > http://templates.openoffice.org/en/node/8865>
> > > would be just fine: a cover slide and an internal slide.
> > >
> > > Graphics can be found at
> > > http://holdenweb.com/**acna13gfx/ 
> > > http://acna13.eventbrite.com
> > > and higher-resolution versions can be requested from Steve at the
> former
> > > link.
> > >
> > > The template must then be uploaded to the OpenOffice Templates site:
> you
> > > can do it yourself by following http://templates.openoffice.**
> > > org/en/template/guide <
> http://templates.openoffice.org/en/template/guide>but
> > if you send me the file, under the Apache 2 licence, I can take care of
> > > uploading it.
> > >
> > > Thank you!
> > >
> > > Andrea.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Best regards,
> > Xin Li   李欣
> > UX designer
> >
>

Re: Sidebar color scheme survey

[Shenfeng Liu]

Xin,
  Thanks very much for your summary!
  And the option 10 looks very good! I suggest we move forward to get a
development build out. So that not only we can get more UX feedback, not
also we can early start FVT for this big new feature.

- Shenfeng (Simon)


2013/2/21 Xin Li 

> Hi all,
>
> Thanks for your votes and your feedback.
>
> I have summarized all votes from Facebook and mail list. The result is :
> A1:8A2:7A3:6
> B1:8B2:8B3:10
> C1:3C2:2C3:5
>
> For control style, it seems that many user prefer proposal B (Simple line
> separator). As Kevin's suggestion,noise reduction and consistency would be
> best. So separators between clusters may be better. So we use separators
> between clusters to separate the buttons of cluster.
>
> For content panel color, it seems that there no obvious winner. I would
> like to share my thoughts on the visual style because it is already relate
> to color topic when we do the side bar migration. As we discussed before,
> the current grey color used in AOO is dark and looks out of style. We
> should do some light-weight change in AOO. So maybe we should start
> consider the light-weight color change when we do the design and avoid to
> use dark color that make the UI too heavy.
>
> So I create a light-weight gray proposal based on the option we discussed
> before.I use a light grey on the side bar and use a gradient for the
> section title.
>
> And I also align the same light grey to slide thumbnail panel background in
> Presentation. Because the content area on the center should have the
> highest priority, the rest elements should have lower priorities, and items
> with the same priority should be treated with the same way.
>
> I have added the latest design(option10) to AOO UX wiki page. Please see
> the latest design by the link:
>
> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_UX_Design_Exploration_-_Task_Pane_Content_Panel_-_User_Interface_Design_Proposals#Task_Pane_Content_Panel_-_UX_Design_propoals
>
> Welcome to share your thoughts and ideas. Thanks.
>
> 2013/2/9 Manuel del Valle 
>
> > I like proposal B (I think it's the most "stylish" one, and adds less
> > visual noise), but I tend to agree with Kevin's comments: I'd like
> better a
> > mix between B1 and B3: light grey panel + dark grey title. That way, it
> > does provide certain contrast for the title, but doesn't draw too much
> > attention to the panel itself, allowing the user to focus his/her
> attention
> > on the doc.
> > Otherwise, it does look nice ;)
> >
> > Greetings,
> >
> > Manuel
> >
>
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Xin Li   李欣
> UX designer
>

Re: Vote now for 2013 Readers Choice Awards (About.com)

[Shenfeng Liu]

just voted for AOO.

- Shenfeng (Simon)


2013/3/5 2 

> +1
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> At 2013-03-05 05:10:32,"Rob Weir"  wrote:
> >We've received four nominations in About.com's 2013 Readers Choice
> >Awards.  In the category of Office Software we've been nominated for:
> >
> >-- Your Favorite Office Suite for Windows
> >
> http://office.about.com/b/2013/02/19/vote-your-favorite-office-suite-for-windows.htm
> >
> >-- Your Favorite Business Software Solution
> >
> http://office.about.com/b/2013/02/19/vote-your-favorite-business-software-solution.htm
> >
> >-- Your Favorite Site for Office Software Templates
> >
> http://office.about.com/b/2013/02/19/vote-your-favorite-site-for-office-software-templates.htm
> >
> >-- Your Favorite Office Software Company for Social Responsibility
> >
> http://office.about.com/b/2013/02/19/vote-on-your-favorite-office-software-company-readers-choice-awards-2013.htm
> >
> >For that last one the nominee is "Apache Foundation".
> >
> >Now comes the voting, which lasts until March 19th.  You can vote once
> >per day, in each category.
> >
> >The website says, "Please also feel free to spread the word to your
> >community!", so I suggest we do exactly that and show that not only do
> >we have great software, but we also have a great community as well.
> >
> >As they say in Chicago, "vote early and often"
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >-Rob
>

Re: [RELEASE]: proposed schedule for AOO 4.0

[Shenfeng Liu]

Hi, all,
  I just posted the proposed release schedule to 4.0 planning wiki:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.0+Release+Planning

- Shenfeng (Simon)


2013/2/22 janI 

> On 21 February 2013 18:27, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:
>
> > On 20/02/2013 Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
> >
> >> 04/08 - 05/15 translation ->  I guessed ~5 weeks for updating the new
> >> strings. This can change when we know exactly how many new strings we
> >> will have. But translation for new languages can already work on the
> >> existing po files for 3.4.1.
> >>
> >
> > Looks good, but if the new infrastructure allows it by that moment we
> > should aim at either having a usable Pootle instance (I mean, one where
> new
> > volunteers can work) or all the PO files ready, so that we can point
> > volunteers to PO files with no need to prepare them explicitly.
> >
> Status on l10tools is that I am testing generation of po files at the
> moment.
>
> It is a very timeconsuming work, because I need to be 100% sure that
> genLang extract at least the same information as the current tools. genLang
> extracts a bit more information in some cases e.g.:
> - there a a number of messages marked [en-US] that are currently not
> extracted
> - some keyparts are not extracted correctly, typically missing root part of
> key
> - Itemlist, is only extracted with itemnumber, but often the items have
> names
>
> For these cases I modify the sdf file (manually correcting the error if you
> will), but that has to be done for all languages, so that I can later match
> keys.
>
> Once this part is finished, genLang can generate po files directly.
>
> genLang can already read po files, but need to be able to merge (extract
> from source, merge with existing po files) and write updated po files for
> all languages. The part is only rudimentary programmed
>
> and finally genLang will write new source files, containing the selected
> languages, this part is more or less programmed, but totally untested.
>
> Once the community has accepted genLang, we (I cannot do that alone) need
> to integrate it into the build process.
>
> so as you can see, I have a full schedule ahead of me, but I am still
> confident that I will finish in time for 4.0.
>
> Please remember that as soon as the extract works, we have po files
> directly available in svn...and if everything fails, we can use the current
> method to convert them back to source files.
>
> have a nice day.
> Jan I.
>
> Ps. the l10n commits at the moment is NOT the full picture, but parts I
> need tested on different platforms, once l10n is ready for others I will
> announce it on the list.
>
>
>
> I've see some l10n-related commits (good!), but I don't know where we are
> > precisely.
> >
> >
> >  Important is from my pov that we start talking about the improvements
> >> that we make in public.
> >>
> >
> > I agree. A couple of screenshot and a brief description are often enough,
> > and I would use the posts to recruit some new development volunteers too.
> >
> > Regards,
> >   Andrea.
> >
>

Re: [Accessibility] IA2 migration status

[Shenfeng Liu]

Steve,
  Thanks for your update for good progress!
  When do you expect that we can start testing on the branch?
  I understand that it will take long time to finish the migration and
enablement,  but I think maybe we can do early testing for the implemented
parts. e.g. for Writer, when you finished it.

- Shenfeng (Simon)


2013/3/6 Steve Yin 

> Hi all,
>
> THe AOO IAccessible2 migration work is ongoing. Now we have finished about
> 15% in the phase 3.
>
> The IA2 migration work for Writer will have the highest priority. Once we
> finished the UT, we will update the branch.
>
> --
> Best Regards,
>
> Steve Yin
>

Re: Sidebar merged into trunk

[Shenfeng Liu]

Hi, RGB,
  Thanks for your trying of the sidebar!
  Here are my comments below.

- Shenfeng (Simon)


2013/4/17 Ariel Constenla-Haile 

> Hi Ricardo,
>
> On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 8:29 PM, RGB ES  wrote:
> > Maybe there are some gremlins after all... I downloaded the build made by
> > Ariel from here
> >
> >
> http://people.apache.org/~arielch/developer-snapshots/snapshot/linux_x86-64/
> >
> > (rpm: as commented on other thread I cannot download the ARC build),
> > installed it (without the desktop integration, though) fresh with a clean
> > profile and obtained exactly the same problems as before with the
> buildbot:
> > the sub and superscript buttons on sidebar do not work,
>
(1) This issues sounds like the defect 122047.



> the icons on the
> > Paragraph panel are on the wrong place
>
(2) I'm not quite sure about this issue you mentioned. From what I see from
the screenshot from Arial, Vertical Alignment buttons appears, but they
should not. Is it the issue you want to say?



> and the sidebar navigator on Draw
>
(3) We don't have any sidebar panel for Draw. We should disable it. Could
you please raise a defect in BZ, with [sidebar] on summary?


> > and Impress show nothing...
>
(4) Could you please raise a defect in BZ, with [sidebar] on summary?



> >
> > Can someone else download the Linux packages and check if they work?
>
> I can reproduce it in my notebook, fedora 18 64 bits:
> http://people.apache.org/~arielch/images/sidebar/paraprops_b.png
>
> I cannot reproduce it in 32 bits, so these might be not gremlins, but
> use of C++ primitive types instead of SAL types.
>
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Re: Sidebar merged into trunk

[Shenfeng Liu]

Andre,


2013/4/17 Andre Fischer 

> On 17.04.2013 09:06, Shenfeng Liu wrote:
>
>> Hi, RGB,
>>Thanks for your trying of the sidebar!
>>Here are my comments below.
>>
>> - Shenfeng (Simon)
>>
>>
>> 2013/4/17 Ariel Constenla-Haile 
>>
>>  Hi Ricardo,
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 8:29 PM, RGB ES  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Maybe there are some gremlins after all... I downloaded the build made
>>>> by
>>>> Ariel from here
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  http://people.apache.org/~**arielch/developer-snapshots/**
>>> snapshot/linux_x86-64/<http://people.apache.org/~arielch/developer-snapshots/snapshot/linux_x86-64/>
>>>
>>>> (rpm: as commented on other thread I cannot download the ARC build),
>>>> installed it (without the desktop integration, though) fresh with a
>>>> clean
>>>> profile and obtained exactly the same problems as before with the
>>>>
>>> buildbot:
>>>
>>>> the sub and superscript buttons on sidebar do not work,
>>>>
>>> (1) This issues sounds like the defect 122047.
>>
>>
>>
>>  the icons on the
>>>
>>>> Paragraph panel are on the wrong place
>>>>
>>> (2) I'm not quite sure about this issue you mentioned. From what I see
>> from
>> the screenshot from Arial, Vertical Alignment buttons appears, but they
>> should not. Is it the issue you want to say?
>>
>>
>>
>>  and the sidebar navigator on Draw
>>>
>>>  (3) We don't have any sidebar panel for Draw. We should disable it.
>> Could
>> you please raise a defect in BZ, with [sidebar] on summary?
>>
>
> Symphony did not have a sidebar for Draw.  Apache OpenOffice does. Most
> property panels are as helpful in Draw as they are in Impress (line style
> and area style of shapes, text properties, etc.,  only the page layouts can
> not be applied)

Thanks for your explanation! Then it sounds like a designed behavior, since
there is no object selected at the beginning, so the properties panel shows
nothing.
Or, for a better user experience, should we set another tab (e.g. Gallery)
in front as default for Draw?



>
>
>
>>
>>  and Impress show nothing...
>>>>
>>> (4) Could you please raise a defect in BZ, with [sidebar] on summary?
>>
>>
>>
>>  Can someone else download the Linux packages and check if they work?
>>>>
>>> I can reproduce it in my notebook, fedora 18 64 bits:
>>> http://people.apache.org/~**arielch/images/sidebar/**paraprops_b.png<http://people.apache.org/~arielch/images/sidebar/paraprops_b.png>
>>>
>>> I cannot reproduce it in 32 bits, so these might be not gremlins, but
>>> use of C++ primitive types instead of SAL types.
>>>
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Re: [RELEASE]: weekly developer snapshots

[Shenfeng Liu]

Juergen , Ariel and all,
  Thanks so much for your great work to have the 4.0 developer snapshot
ready!
  According to the 4.0
plan,
the next step should be start the regression testing.
  While I checked the wiki and found many feature/enhancement items are
still in open status. I think we need to check the status and update the
wiki. For some of the items ( e.g. Interoperability Improvement, Gallery,
Gradients, Pallette...) I think maybe we can close here, harvest the
current achievements in 4.0, and leave further improvements in 4.1. And for
some other items (e.g. Accessibility, Patch, Encryption UI), it looks like
we can not contain them in 4.0, and I suggest to defer them out, and move
to 4.1. Then QE team can make the regression test plan accordingly and
start testing using the 4.0 developer snapshot.
  Any suggestion?

- Shenfeng (Simon)




2013/4/17 Ariel Constenla-Haile 

> Hi Ricardo,
>
> On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 7:52 PM, RGB ES  wrote:
> > I tried a couple of times to download the ARC file but failed: kget
> > complains that cannot check the integrity and in fact the checksums do
> not
> > match. The rpm pack downloaded without problems.
>
> It seems there was a problem uploading that file (all the others pass
> gpg --verify), I uploaded it again, now it should be fine.
>
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Re: [Proposal]Improve Writer Table Header to Export Complete Info for Accessibility

[Shenfeng Liu]

It is a very good enhancement!
While since we are going to enter the regression testing phase for 4.0, I
wonder if it can catch up in 4.0? Or should be plan it to 4.1?

- Shenfeng (Simon)


2013/4/22 chengjh 

> Currently, there is an accessibility issue for table header. If end users
> create Writer table and check the table header in the table dialog, the
> table header will have "Table Header" style and can be exported to pdf/doc
> completely,and  Adobe Professional can recognize the table header
> correctly.That's right.
>
> But if end users don't check table header when creating table, and then set
> the table header through table properties dialog, the table header will not
> be set with "Table Header" style. Thus, the table will lose necessary
> header info when being exported to pdf/doc, Adobe Professiona will not
> recognize the table header. That's a problem.
>
> I propose the solve the problem to meet the complete accessibility
> requirement.
>
> --
>
> Best Regards,Jianhong Cheng
>

[RELEASE] 4.0 planning wiki update and items check

[Shenfeng Liu]

Hi, all,
  I update the 4.0 planning
wikiwith
the latest status.
  Per my reading, I added some comments in the status column.

Following 2 items were already marked as done:
  - "OpenOffice.org" --> "Apache OpenOffice"
  - TOC interoperability improvement

Following items are still on going, and need to be done in 4.0:
  - sidebar
  - Mac support
  - 3layer drop
  - new logo

Following items though marked "In Progress", but are really long term
works, and I suggest we just close them and harvest what already done in
4.0. Leave the further improvement in future release.
  - MS Office interoperability enhancements
  - Performance & Reliability improvements
  - More gallery
  - Adding Symphony gradients
  - Adopt palette to Symphony palette partially

Following items look not containable in short term, and I suggest we move
then to 4.1, or even backlog:
  - IA2 support (4.1)
  - Patch mechanism (4.1)
  - Encryption UI (4.1)
  - Fundamental Changes for Draw and others (4.1)
  - Improve Draw Feature (backlog)
  - Extension Manager (backlog)
  - OpenSocial (backlog)

  And my plan is to clean them up next week if no objection. Hope it can
give a clear view of the scope of 4.0.
  Looking forward your comments. Thanks!

- Shenfeng (Simon)

Re: [Accessibility] AOO Writer gets a better IA2 support now

[Shenfeng Liu]

Great work, Steve!


2013/4/24 Steve Yin 

> Hi all,
>
> The IA2 migration work for AOO is ongoing. We just finished a draft version
> which can let Writer get a better IA2 support. Now the branch build is
> ready for downloading. http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/#w7ia2
>
> Please try it! And if you found issues or bugs, please send mails to the
> aoo dev mail list or file them in AOO bugzilla.
> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
> Best Regards,
>
> Steve Yin
>

Next Plan for AOO 4.0 Testing

[Shenfeng Liu]

Hi, all,
  I just want to update on our next plan for AOO 4.0 Testing. Since sidebar
FVT already finished, we are currently preparing for a full regression
which will cover the following areas:
(1) Basic Function Verification
(2) MS Interoperability Test
(3) 2nd phase of sidebar testing
(4) Defect verification

So following works are on going:
- Yi Xuan and Yu Zhen are inputting test cases in Testlink.
- Yu Zhen and I are working on are test guidance for the Full Regression
Test, and plan to publish it on our planning wiki for reference.
- Then we wait for the next snapshot build from Juergen which contains the
most recent fixes.

  I saw many people joined and volunteered for QA work. I will keep a list
and contact you all when the Regression Testing is kicked off. Thanks very
much for your supporting to AOO QA work!


- Shenfeng (Simon)

Re: [RELEASE]: new SNAPSHOT build

[Shenfeng Liu]

Juergen,
  Thanks for your leading on the snapshot build!
  I plan to kick off the full regression test as soon as this build come
out.

- Shenfeng (Simon)



2013/5/3 Jürgen Schmidt 

> Hi,
>
> I would like to propose a new snapshot build based on the SNAPSHOT tag
> which I have moved to revision 1478430
>
> I will keep you informed when the builds for MacOS and Windows are
> available.
>
> @Ariel, I hope again it's ok for you
>
> Juergen
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Re: [RELEASE] 4.0 planning wiki update and items check

[Shenfeng Liu]

Just updated the 4.0 planning
wiki<https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.0+Release+Planning>and
4.1
planning 
wiki<https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1+Release+Planning>
.

- Shenfeng (Simon)


2013/4/25 Kay Schenk 

> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 8:03 AM, Shenfeng Liu  wrote:
>
> > Hi, all,
> >   I update the 4.0 planning
> > wiki<
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.0+Release+Planning
> > >with
> > the latest status.
> >   Per my reading, I added some comments in the status column.
> >
> > Following 2 items were already marked as done:
> >   - "OpenOffice.org" --> "Apache OpenOffice"
> >   - TOC interoperability improvement
> >
> > Following items are still on going, and need to be done in 4.0:
> >   - sidebar
> >   - Mac support
> >   - 3layer drop
> >   - new logo
> >
> > Following items though marked "In Progress", but are really long term
> > works, and I suggest we just close them and harvest what already done in
> > 4.0. Leave the further improvement in future release.
> >   - MS Office interoperability enhancements
> >   - Performance & Reliability improvements
> >   - More gallery
> >   - Adding Symphony gradients
> >   - Adopt palette to Symphony palette partially
> >
> > Following items look not containable in short term, and I suggest we move
> > then to 4.1, or even backlog:
> >   - IA2 support (4.1)
> >   - Patch mechanism (4.1)
> >   - Encryption UI (4.1)
> >   - Fundamental Changes for Draw and others (4.1)
> >   - Improve Draw Feature (backlog)
> >   - Extension Manager (backlog)
> >   - OpenSocial (backlog)
> >
> >   And my plan is to clean them up next week if no objection. Hope it can
> > give a clear view of the scope of 4.0.
> >   Looking forward your comments. Thanks!
> >
> > - Shenfeng (Simon)
> >
>
> These suggestions seem reasonable given our time frame. Thanks for taking
> the lead on this.
>
> --
>
> 
> MzK
>
> "There's no upside in screwing with things you can't explain."
> -- Captain Roy Montgomery, "Castle"
>

Re: Testing AOO 4.0 Upgrades

[Shenfeng Liu]

2013/5/7 Rob Weir 

> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 1:58 PM, janI  wrote:
> > On 6 May 2013 19:37, Rob Weir  wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 1:25 PM, janI  wrote:
> >> > On 6 May 2013 18:27, Rob Weir  wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> What do we need to do to test AOO 4.0 -> AOO 4.1 upgrade scenario?
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > Do we already have documented procedures for the AOO 3.4.1 -> AOO 4.0
> >> > upgrade ?
> >> > (searching in wiki  for "4.0 upgrade" gives no result)
> >> >
> >> > If not I would suggest we make the documentation and test plan for the
> >> > 3.4.1 -> 4.0 before thinking about the next upgrade.
> >> >
> >> > One thing that really needs to be tested is a 3.4.1 danish (example)
> >> > installation, upgrade to a 4.0 english installation. At this point in
> >> time
> >> > I foresee a 4.0 release with less languages than 3.4.1 (with language
> >> > respin). The tests should include fallback scenarios for users who
> want
> >> to
> >> > stay with their language version.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Two different things:
> >>
> >> 1) The upgrade notifications.  This is triggered by an XML file we put
> >> on our website that the client checks, by default once a week.   For
> >> example, here is one of the existing update notification files:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://www.openoffice.org/projects/update38/ProductUpdateService/check.Update
> >>
> >
> > ok my mistake, but I still think we should discuss this for 4.0 and not
> 4.1.
> >
>
> Let me be explicit.  We need to test AOO 4.0's ability to be correctly
> process notifications about the existence of AOO 4.1.  And we need to
> do that now, since after AOO 4.0 is installed on user's machines it is
> too late to fix any client-side bugs in this area.
>
> Some may remember, for example, a bug in AOO 3.4.0 where such
> notifications were disabled by default.  And with 3.4.1 we had a bug
> where in some cases clients crashed when checking for extension
> updates.
>
> So we do need to worry about AOO 4.1 now, at least to the extent AOO
> 4.0 needs support in its code to handle notifications about 4.1.
>
>
Rob,
  So my understanding for the purpose of this discussion thread is that we
need to test the upgrade notice in AOO 4.0, and ensure it can work when
future releases (e.g. 4.1, 4.2...) available. Then I totally agree that it
is very important and we need to add it to our test plan.
  While I want to confirm some technical details (and some of my
understanding below is from my reading of the URL you provided above):

1. Is the URL unique for each release? And this URL will work for all the
platforms and languages packages for this release?
2. Is the upgrade notice only for release upgrade purpose, but not
promotion of extensions or templates?
3. For (A) and (B) below, I suppose they are not in AOO 4.0 scope, right?
4. For the testing perspective, can the URL be customized in AOO build ? If
yes, we may create a fake URL for development/testing purpose, without
impacting external users.

- Shenfeng (Simon)



>
> >>
> >> There is a different base URL for each version, pointing to a file
> >> like this that lists the available upgrades for that version.
> >>
> >> Since the update checking code has changed, we should make sure we
> >> have good testing on that, on all platforms.  There was also talk of
> >> making that update check occur over SSL.  That could be done by:
> >>
> >> A) Getting an SSL certification for *.openoffice.org or for the
> >> specific subdomains of interest
> >>
> >> or
> >>
> >> B) Moving the update notification files over to openoffice.apache.org,
> >> where we can presumably just use the existing Apache certificate
> >>
> >> However we do it, we need code changes in 4.0 to accommodate this, and
> >> testing as well.
> >>
> >
> > that is correct.
> >
> > 2) The actually install of 4.0 over AOO 3.4.1.  My impression was that
> >> major upgrades like this installed into a new directory and there was
> >> no automatic migration of settings.  If so the testing side of it
> >> would not be difficult.  Same for reinstalling 3.4.1 over a 4.0
> >> installation.  Different directories, so no conflict.
> >>
> >
> > Well, I am not the best example, but the 3.4.1 danish spreadsheet, did
> not
> > like 4.0 english version, until I saved them in 4.0.
> >
> > I am not sure if the problem is of general nature (danish->english) and
> > roots in the document itself.
> >
> > And if installing in different directories, we need to help the user
> with a
> > cleanup possibility.
> >
>
> All good scenarios to test.
>
> -Rob
>
>
> > rgds
> > jan I.
> >
> >>
> >> -Rob
> >>
> >>
> >> > +1 to testing the upgrade scenarios.
> >> >
> >> > rgds
> >> > jan I.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Is it possible to put an update XML file on the server so we can
> >> >> trigger update checks, etc., to verify that this is working?
> >> >>
> >> >> As we know, we had some update checking crashes in AOO 3.4.1, so we
> >> >> really should try to get some test coverage of both positive and
> >> >> negat

Re: Testing AOO 4.0 Upgrades

[Shenfeng Liu]

Oliver & Rob,
  Thanks for your information!
  Will prepare for the test cases for the (1) upgrade check and (2) upgrade
install from previous version.
  May come back to you for more details during the preparation.

- Shenfeng (Simon)



2013/5/7 Oliver-Rainer Wittmann 

> Hi,
>
>
> On 07.05.2013 09:30, Shenfeng Liu wrote:
>
>> 2013/5/7 Rob Weir 
>>
>>  On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 1:58 PM, janI  wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6 May 2013 19:37, Rob Weir  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 1:25 PM, janI  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6 May 2013 18:27, Rob Weir  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  What do we need to do to test AOO 4.0 -> AOO 4.1 upgrade scenario?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do we already have documented procedures for the AOO 3.4.1 -> AOO 4.0
>>>>>> upgrade ?
>>>>>> (searching in wiki  for "4.0 upgrade" gives no result)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If not I would suggest we make the documentation and test plan for the
>>>>>> 3.4.1 -> 4.0 before thinking about the next upgrade.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One thing that really needs to be tested is a 3.4.1 danish (example)
>>>>>> installation, upgrade to a 4.0 english installation. At this point in
>>>>>>
>>>>> time
>>>>>
>>>>>> I foresee a 4.0 release with less languages than 3.4.1 (with language
>>>>>> respin). The tests should include fallback scenarios for users who
>>>>>>
>>>>> want
>>>
>>>> to
>>>>>
>>>>>> stay with their language version.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Two different things:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) The upgrade notifications.  This is triggered by an XML file we put
>>>>> on our website that the client checks, by default once a week.   For
>>>>> example, here is one of the existing update notification files:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  http://www.openoffice.org/**projects/update38/**
>>> ProductUpdateService/check.**Update<http://www.openoffice.org/projects/update38/ProductUpdateService/check.Update>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> ok my mistake, but I still think we should discuss this for 4.0 and not
>>>>
>>> 4.1.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Let me be explicit.  We need to test AOO 4.0's ability to be correctly
>>> process notifications about the existence of AOO 4.1.  And we need to
>>> do that now, since after AOO 4.0 is installed on user's machines it is
>>> too late to fix any client-side bugs in this area.
>>>
>>> Some may remember, for example, a bug in AOO 3.4.0 where such
>>> notifications were disabled by default.  And with 3.4.1 we had a bug
>>> where in some cases clients crashed when checking for extension
>>> updates.
>>>
>>>
> The defect we had in AOO 3.4 and AOO 3.4.1 regarding the update
> functionality - as far as I know - was the following:
> - If the user had upgraded an OOo 3.3 installation with AOO 3.4 or AOO
> 3.4.1 the bundled extensions delivered with OOo 3.3 were deleted from the
> installation, but the extension database still contains the corresponding
> entries. During automatically triggered update check for the application
> also an update check for the extensions is triggered. Due to the
> inconsistent extension database the deleted bundled extensions were tried
> to access. This causes an C++ exception which was not caught and caused a
> crash. This is fixed for AOO 4.0.
>
>
>  So we do need to worry about AOO 4.1 now, at least to the extent AOO
>>> 4.0 needs support in its code to handle notifications about 4.1.
>>>
>>>
>>>  Rob,
>>So my understanding for the purpose of this discussion thread is that
>> we
>> need to test the upgrade notice in AOO 4.0, and ensure it can work when
>> future releases (e.g. 4.1, 4.2...) available. Then I totally agree that it
>> is very important and we need to add it to our test plan.
>>While I want to confirm some technical details (and some of my
>> understanding below is from my reading of the URL you provided above):
>>
>> 1. Is the URL unique for each release? And this URL will work for all the
>> platforms and languages packages for this release?
>>
>
> The URL to check for appli

Start AOO 4.0 Full Regression Test

[Shenfeng Liu]

Yu Zhen & Liu Ping,
  Thanks very much for your help to prepare for the test guidance!

  Now we have the latest dev snapshot build here:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds#DevelopmentSnapshotBuilds-AOOSnapshotfullsets
  And we have the "AOO 4.0 Full Regression Test" test plan created in
Testlink: http://aootesting.adfinis-sygroup.org/index.php .
  And we have test guidance here:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+Full+Regression+Test+Guidance
and here:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+Defect+Verification+Guidance

  So I suggest we start the AOO 4.0 Full Regression Test now !

  The test focus of this test circle include the following:
(1) Basic Function Verification
(2) MS Interoperability Test
(3) 2nd phase of sidebar testing
(4) Defect verification

  We will add more test cases (e.g. the Upgrade Check) in later circle.

  We already got some volunteers replied in mail list. Thanks very much!
Will assign test cases in Testlink and send mail to you one by one.
  And looking forward more people to join and help the testing!

- Shenfeng (Simon)



2013/5/7 Liu Ping 

> Simon ,yuzhen and all,
>
> You can directly click the Bug Queries link below for Defect verification
> in Bugzilla  , you also can display query in page footer by selecting User
> Preferences->Save Searches and check the query below in bugzilla
>
> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/
>
> AOO_Need_Verify : Numbers 1178
>
> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=AOO_Need_Verify&sharer_id=249289
>
> AOO_Need_Verify_Calc: Numbers 292
>
> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=AOO_Need_Verify_Calc&sharer_id=249289
>
> AOO_Need_Verify_Impress: Numbers 44
>
> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=AOO_Need_Verify_Impress&sharer_id=249289&list_id=57850
>
> AOO_Need_Verify_OtherProducts: Numbers 677
>
> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=AOO_Need_Verify_OtherProducts&sharer_id=249289
> AOO_Need_Verify_Writer : Numbers 165
>
> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=AOO_Need_Verify_Writer&sharer_id=249289
>
> Thanks the support of all
>
>
> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 7:40 PM, Yuzhen Fan  wrote:
>
> > (Added dev in this mail thread ..)
> >
> > Simon and all,
> >
> > Here is the update of the preparation for full regression:
> >
> > - All test cases are populated to test plan "AOO 4.0 Full Regression
> Test"
> > in TestLink
> > - Test guidance for Full Regression Test and Defect Verification are
> ready
> > and have published in wiki
> >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+Full+Regression+Test+Guidance
> >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+Defect+Verification+Guidance
> > - Defect verification list are generated per different products with
> > multiple queries
> >
> > Thanks Liu Ping to make defect queries.
> > Thanks Simon for guidance and reviewing all preparation work above.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Yu Zhen
> >
> >
> > On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 7:25 PM, Yuzhen Fan  wrote:
> >
> > > Simon and all,
> > >
> > > Here is the update of the preparation for full regression:
> > >
> > > - All test cases are populated to test plan "AOO 4.0 Full Regression
> > Test"
> > > in TestLink
> > > - Test guidance for the Full Regression Test and Defect Verification
> are
> > > ready and have published in wiki
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+Full+Regression+Test+Guidance
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+Defect+Verification+Guidance
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 4:05 PM, Shenfeng Liu 
> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi, all,
> > >>   I just want to update on our next plan for AOO 4.0 Testing. Since
> > >> sidebar
> > >> FVT already finished, we are currently preparing for a full regression
> > >> which will cover the following areas:
> > >> (1) Basic Function Verification
> > >> (2) MS Interoperability Test
> > >> (3) 2nd phase of sidebar testing
> > >> (4) Defect verification
> > >>
> > >> So following works are on going:
> > >> - Yi Xuan and Yu Zhen are inputting test cases in Testlink.
> > >> - Yu Zhen and I are working on are test guidance for the Full
> Regression
> > >> Test, and plan to publish it on our planning wiki for reference.
> > >> - Then we wait for the next snapshot build from Juergen which contains
> > the
> > >> most recent fixes.
> > >>
> > >>   I saw many people joined and volunteered for QA work. I will keep a
> > list
> > >> and contact you all when the Regression Testing is kicked off. Thanks
> > very
> > >> much for your supporting to AOO QA work!
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> - Shenfeng (Simon)
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: quick update: 50,051,990

[Shenfeng Liu]

A great milestone! Congratulations!


- Shenfeng (Simon)


2013/5/15 Rob Weir 

> Working on blog post now, target tomorrow AM.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
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Re: [RELEASE]: proposed further schedule towards AOO 4.0

[Shenfeng Liu]

+1 to move forward.

For the next snapshot without stlport, we need to plan testing on all the
platforms (Windows/Redhat/Suse/Ubuntu/Mac). But I agree that acceptance
level testing will be enough.

- Shenfeng (Simon)



2013/5/31 Jürgen Schmidt 

> On 5/31/13 9:16 AM, Herbert Dürr wrote:
> > [regarding dropping stlport4]
> >
> > The changes to make the codebase ready for native STL support are done.
> > Builds with stlport4 enabled will continue to work as before.
> >
> > I suggest to use the --without-stlport option for all new builds though:
> > Stlport is a great project, but the versions that OOo depended on had
> > been released more than ten years ago. The library improved greatly
> > since then from a feature, performance and standard compliance
> > perspective. And of course many many bugs have been fixed [1]. In their
> > stlport5 version they continue to improve significantly.
> >
> > Platform STLs have been inspired by stlport, improved greatly too and in
> > the C++11 standardization process divergent views have consolidated. We
> > can rely on the platform STLs. I agree that the timing of the suggested
> > switch is not so good but the switch itself is overdue. A major version
> > change is the right time to do this.
> >
> > [1] relevant examples of fixes that got into stlport releases newer than
> > the ones OOo depended on can be seen at e.g.
> >
> http://stlport.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=stlport/stlport;a=blob;f=etc/ChangeLog;hb=refs/tags/STLport-STLPORT_4_6
> >
> >
> > On 2013/05/28 2:38 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> >> In theory every fix can cause bugs.  But some fixes are more localized
> >> than others.  Fixes with localized impact are easier to test.
> >> Widespread fixes are harder to test, because more code is potentially
> >> broken.
> >
> > The switch was rendered possible by many little changes over the last
> > couple of months which got our code base more in line with C++11
> > expectations. Snapshots based on these changes have been and are already
> > extensively tested by our great QA community. The switch itself is just
> > another step in evolving towards a high quality release.
> >
> > Additionally testing has it much easier to find issues introduced by the
> > switch should there be any. E.g. we have many testers and almost a
> > thousand automatic tests. They work on different platforms. They cover a
> > lot of different areas. The risk that a regression in that layer could
> > remain undetected is very low.
> >
> > Automated testing ran its 940 autotests (in BVT, FVT, SVT and PVT) on
> > different operating systems for 32bit and 64bit versions. The
> > cross-correlation between pre- and post-switch builds is the same as the
> > auto-correlation for test reruns: the same tests were successful on both
> > sides, the same tests failed for both sides.
>
> to make clear that this is a very important and useful step forward. We
> have to do something to be able for a compiler switch and be prepared
> for the next steps etc.. Not only on MacOS but also on FreeBSD, the
> clang compiler don't like the old stlport version ;-) To be serious an
> upgrade to stlport 5 for example won't help us really. It is the same to
> switch to a new version or to get rid of this external library
> completely. We prefer the latter one.
>
> The working automated tests (at least same result as before) makes me
> confident that the change is ok.
>
> I propose that we prepare the next snapshot without stlport and will see
> what happened with our testing. If we run into obvious problems with the
> stl we will switch back immediately.
>
> Juergen
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Re: problem opening older Word 6 doc with 4.0

[Shenfeng Liu]

Kay,
  Could you please share the bug ID when you reported it?
  It sounds like a ship stopper candidate if can be confirmed.
  Thanks!

- Shenfeng (Simon)



2013/6/7 Max Merbald 

> Thank you! Since there still are quite a few older files around AOo 4
> should be able to open them.
>
>
> Am 06.06.2013 18:25, schrieb Kay Schenk:
>
>  4.0 is giving me this message when trying to open an older Word 6 version
>> document...
>>
>> "Read-Error .
>> This is not a WinWord 97 file."
>>
>> This is an old document I downloaded from a public server quite some time
>> ago.
>>
>> it was readable in 3.4.1, but not now.
>>
>> I will file a bug and upload it.
>>
>>
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Re: Download stats per platform?

[Shenfeng Liu]

We can get the data from SourceForge by define the date range by ourselves:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/stats/map
:)

- Shenfeng (Simon)


2013/6/18 Rob Weir 

> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 5:00 PM, David Gerard  wrote:
> > On 17 June 2013 21:45, Rob Weir  wrote:
> >> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 2:32 PM, David Gerard 
> wrote:
> >
> >>> In the first 1 million or so AOO downloads, the breakdown was 87%
> >>> Windows, 11% Macintosh and 2% Linux.
> >>> But, of course, there's been over 50 million. Do we have a
> >>> per-platform breakdown of the numbers since then for AOO?
> >
> >> It sounds like you want this chart:
> >>
> https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/mediaresource/690f6d03-d666-4003-b1b2-8e44331e2511
> >> From this blog post:
> >> https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/apache_openoffice_one_year_50
> >
> >
> > That's the one, thank you! Do you have the % numbers that went into the
> graph?
> >
>
> That chart shows it day-by-day.  The %'s vary over time.  But the
> average over the year is:
>
> Windows:  88%
> Mac OS: 10%
> Linux: 2%
>
> So little difference compared to the distribution reported initially.
> It still reflects the distribution of desktop OS usage in the market.
>
> -Rob
>
> >
> > - d.
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Re: [QA][Test Report] Weekly Status Update as of 20130614

[Shenfeng Liu]

Yu Zhen,
  Thanks for the report! We made big progress, thanks for every volunteers
contribution!

  One more think I suggest we to focus in the next week is the testing on
Base and Drawing.
  The problem is that we don't have any existing test cases for Base and
Drawing for now. So besides creating test cases from scratch, I think we
can also try another way to do quick testing for these 2 applications:
people do exploration test, and report in QA mail group on (1) covered
platform/database; (2) tested scenario/steps; (3) test result/defect found.
So that we can identify any ship blocker defects in Base and Drawing
quickly.


- Shenfeng (Simon)




2013/6/17 Yuzhen Fan 

> Hi All,
>
> We wrap up the AOO 4.0 Full Regression test this week, here is the weekly
> update (6/10 - 6/14):
>
> *Test execution:*
> 1. Testing of upgrading/updating a former AOO/OOo's version - Done and
> Passed
> 2.  Acceptance testing on stlport change on Win7/Mac/RHEL/Ubuntu platforms
> - Done and accepted, with none of the opening defects found from this
> testing, is introduced by stlport. However, it needs development's
> confirmation.
> *
> Defect summary:*
> 1. 4.0.0 release blocker candidate defects are under reviewing, the total
> number is 66 now (original is 90)
> 2. Redhat specific defect with 64-bit Java, Bug 122485 ([Crash]OOO crash
> when apply animation for table/chart object) gets resolved, will set QE to
> verify
> *
> Issues & quality highlight:*
> 1. Need to cover silent installation testing on Windows as it is not
> included in previous testing
> 2. The triage of bugs for AOO 4.0.0 release blockers is ongoing.
> 3. QAs are reminded to retest the failed/blocked test executions as the
> defects get fixed
>
> *Volunteer status: *
> 1. No new volunteers(total 20 so far) on test execution work
> 2. No new volunteers(total 6 so far) on defect work, the progress on
> confirming defects are low, need more to clean backlog of unconfirmed and
> resolved defects
>
> *Plan for next week:*
> 1. Locate AOO MSI file for slient installation testing on Windows
> 2. Work out test plan for AOO 4.0 Final Regression test and populate test
> cases in Testlink as fixing defects
> 3. Work with development to prioritize critical defects as 4.0.0 release
> blockers and assign them to Dev volunteers
> 4. Retest the failed/blocked test executions as the defects get fixed
>
> Thanks you all for effort on full regression testing, let's work together
> to move to final regression testing!
>
> Regards,
> Yu Zhen
>

Translation for Simplified Chinese (zh_CN) completed

[Shenfeng Liu]

Hi, all,
  I just completed all the translation in Pootle server:
https://translate.apache.org/zh_CN/aoo40/
  Can any one tell me what should I do to have the zh-CN translation
included in the next dev snapshot build?
  Thanks very much!


- Shenfeng (Simon)



2013/6/26 Shenfeng Liu 

> Hi, all,
>   I'm working on the translation for Simplified Chinese in Pootle server.
> There are >3900 words left till now, and it will take me a few more days. I
> hope I can finish it before next Monday.
>
> - Shenfeng (Simon)
>

Re: Translation for Simplified Chinese (zh_CN) completed

[Shenfeng Liu]

created a task in BZ: 122661 , with 4.0.0_release_blocker flag set to ? .

- Shenfeng (Simon)


2013/6/29 Shenfeng Liu 

> Hi, all,
>   I just completed all the translation in Pootle server:
> https://translate.apache.org/zh_CN/aoo40/
>   Can any one tell me what should I do to have the zh-CN translation
> included in the next dev snapshot build?
>   Thanks very much!
>
>
> - Shenfeng (Simon)
>
>
>
> 2013/6/26 Shenfeng Liu 
>
>> Hi, all,
>>   I'm working on the translation for Simplified Chinese in Pootle server.
>> There are >3900 words left till now, and it will take me a few more days. I
>> hope I can finish it before next Monday.
>>
>> - Shenfeng (Simon)
>>
>
>

Re: Translation for Simplified Chinese (zh_CN) completed

[Shenfeng Liu]

2013/7/1 Jürgen Schmidt 

> On 7/1/13 1:04 PM, Shenfeng Liu wrote:
> > created a task in BZ: 122661 , with 4.0.0_release_blocker flag set to ? .
>
> Hi Simon,
>
> I have merged the translation already but it is not clear to me if you
> have taken the hint from Andrea regarding check mnemonics ("~"
> characters) into account.
>
> Can you update the status here, is there a review necessary? See Andrea'
> mail
>
>
Juergen,
  Thanks for your help to merge the translation!
  Per my reading of Andrea's mail, the is no more action needed for Chinese
translation on the mnemonics check. In fact I reserved all the mnemonics
during my translation.

- Shenfeng (Simon)



> Juergen
>
>
> >
> > - Shenfeng (Simon)
> >
> >
> > 2013/6/29 Shenfeng Liu 
> >
> >> Hi, all,
> >>   I just completed all the translation in Pootle server:
> >> https://translate.apache.org/zh_CN/aoo40/
> >>   Can any one tell me what should I do to have the zh-CN translation
> >> included in the next dev snapshot build?
> >>   Thanks very much!
> >>
> >>
> >> - Shenfeng (Simon)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 2013/6/26 Shenfeng Liu 
> >>
> >>> Hi, all,
> >>>   I'm working on the translation for Simplified Chinese in Pootle
> server.
> >>> There are >3900 words left till now, and it will take me a few more
> days. I
> >>> hope I can finish it before next Monday.
> >>>
> >>> - Shenfeng (Simon)
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
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Re: [RELEASE]: propose next snapshot build based on rev. 1499347

[Shenfeng Liu]

+1
As I just counted, there are 44 release blocker defects in RESOLVED status.
And more than half should be after the last dev snapshot build.
So we need QE team to focus on verifying those resolved defects and close
them as long as the new dev snapshot build is available.
Thanks Juergen for your outstanding work!

- Shenfeng (Simon)





2013/7/3 Jürgen Schmidt 

> Hi,
>
> I would like to propose the next snapshot build based on rev. 1499347.
> The SNAPSHOT tag is moved and it is based on trunk rev. 1499345.
>
> The build will include the following languages:
>
> ast cs de el en-GB en-US es fi fr gd gl hu it ja ko nl pt pt-BR ru sk sl
> ta zh-CN
>
> Asturian (ast) Czech (cs), German (de), Greek (el), English United
> Kingdom (en-GB), English US (en-US), Spanish (es), Finnish (fi) French
> (fr), Scottish Gaelic (gd), Galician (gl), Hungarian (hu), Italian (it),
> Japanese (ja), Korean (ko), Dutch (nl), Portuguese (pt), Portuguese
> Brazil (pt-BR), Russian, (ru), Slovak (sk), Solvenian (sl), Tamil (ta),
> Chinese (Simplified)
>
> Note that I have added Greek.
>
> Building, signing and uploading will take some time.
>
> Juergen
>
> PS: cc l10n and qa list, replies to the dev list please
>
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Call for Translation Verification - Towards AOO 4.0 Release Candidate - 61 show stopper bugs are waiting for verification

[Shenfeng Liu]

Thanks Yu Zhen to drive the defect verification! It is very important to
ensure all release blocker defects are really fixed.

I noticed that there are 21 resolved release blockers are about
translations. So I forward to I10N mail list and suggest we contribute to
verify and close those items.

19 among the 21 are really feature/task to enable the languages in 4.0. I
suggest we following the way below to verify:
1. Install the native language package of the AOO 4.0 RC build from
here
.
2. Lauch the AOO 4.0 RC application, verify (1) the translation language in
this package is correct; (2) new or open a document to check the basic
functions not impacted.
3. If the verification in step 2 passed, please add comments in related
Bugzilla record and change the status to VERIIFIED.
4. If any string need to be refined, you can open a new defect in Bugzilla.

Below is the 19 records per my current check:
121816 Native-L pt Portuguese (pt) translation update fro AOO
4.0
122284 Native-L ru Russian (ru) translation for OpenOffice 4.x
122355 Native-L sk Slovak (sk) translation for OpenOffice 4.x
122360 Native-L hu Hungarian translation of AOO 4.0.0
122386 Native-L sl Slovenian (sl) translation for OpenOffice 4.x
122457 Native-L es [ES]Integrate last Spanish 4.0 translation
122467 Native-L nl Dutch translation for AOO 4.0
122468 Native-L de German translation update for AOO 4.0
122469 Native-L en-GB English (United Kingdom) translation
update for AOO 4.0
122474 Native-L ja Japanese (ja) translation for for OpenOffice
4.x
122488 Native-L ko Korean translation of AOO 4.0 UI & Help
122568 Native-L fi Finnish translation update for AOO 4.0
122584 Native-L fr French translation update for AOO4.0
122585 Native-L ta Tamil translation for AOO 4.0
122588 Native-L it Italian translation update for AOO 4.0
122631 Native-L gd Gaelic (gd) translation for OpenOffice 4.x
122653 Native-L el Greek (el) translation for OpenOffice 4.x
122670 Native-L ast Asturian translation update for AOO 4.0
122689 Native-L gl Galician translation update for AOO 4.0


The 2 below will require special check:
122192 Native-L pt-br Some strings directing to Oracle
122640 Native-L it Accelerators (mnemonics) missing in main
menu in localized versions


Any comments?
Thanks!

- Shenfeng (Simon)




2013/7/11 Yuzhen Fan 

> Dear all,
>
> We have verified 20 resolved show stopper bugs since this Monday(July 8),
> there are now *61 *bugs in backlog which need us to do the verification as
> soon as possible.
>
> If you have a piece of time, please pick up your interested bugs from this
> list to verify. If you are the reporters for the bugs, it may only take
> your about 10 minutes for one bug.
>
>
> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=4.0.0_release_blocker%2B%2C%20Resolved&sharer_id=251929&list_id=72804
>
> Also, these bugs' fix are code related, the verification are expected from
> development.
>
>  Bug ID Product Component Assignee StatusResolution  Summary  122192
>  Native-Lang pt-br iss...@openoffice.apache.org RESOLVED FIXED Some
> strings
> directing to Oracle  122356  App Dev sdk j...@apache.org RESOLVED FIXED SDK
> broken after 3 layer removal  122444  Installation update notifications
> o...@apache.org RESOLVED FIXED Update Code to Reflect Final Update Server
> Destination for AOO 4.0  122478  General ui j...@apache.org RESOLVED
> FIXED Remaining
> of basis-link after 3-layer removal  122482  App Dev sdk j...@apache.org
> RESOLVED FIXED Impossible to build SDK C++ examples  122483  App Dev sdk
> j...@apache.org RESOLVED FIXED unoapploader sets wrong LD_LIBRARY_PATH
> 122500 Build Tools code o...@apache.org RESOLVED FIXED Impossible to build
> with Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition  122504 Installation code
> j...@apache.org RESOLVED FIXED Rename the source files to
> "apache-openoffice-..." to show clearly the affiliation for this project
> 122586 App Dev api j...@apache.org RESOLVED FIXED fix awt GridControl
> refresh
> 122647 General code h...@apache.org RESOLVED FIXED Python linked against
> system OpenSSL  122692 General code iss...@openoffice.apache.org RESOLVED
> FIXED boost build fixes for OS/2
>
> We are in the build of AOO 4.0 RC build now, your help means much to it!
>
> Regards,
> Yu Zhen
>

Re: [VOTE]: Release OpenOffice 4.0 (RC)

[Shenfeng Liu]

Rapheal,
  I agree that the RC build should be tested.
  But I think rather than the time, what we really care should be what is
tested. I'm looking forward Yu Zhen(our QA lead)'s RC test plan. If we get
a satisfiable plan and the test can be finished within 3 days, I will give
my +1 immediately. More people helping the test, the faster we can get it
done and release 4.0 out.

- Shenfeng (Simon)


2013/7/12 Raphael Bircher 

> Hi at all
>
> Moment Jürgen. Test a RC and final vote. within 72 houers is unserios.
> Pleas give a a full week for this. Else i will vote -1 because there is not
> enought time to make the final tests.
>
> Greetings Raphael
>
> Am 12.07.13 11:11, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt:
>
>  Hi all,
>>
>> this is a call for vote on releasing the following release candidate as
>> Apache OpenOffice 4.0. This will be an important release for Apache
>> OpenOffice with bigger visible UI changes. It is a key milestone to
>> continue the success of OpenOffice.
>>
>> This release candidate provides the following important changes compared
>> to former OpenOffice releases:
>>
>> (1) a major UI change/improvement by introducing a new sidebar concept
>> where the idea is the comes from IBM's Symphony. It's the combination of
>> reimplementing a complete new framework for sidebars and merging the
>> existing sidebar in impress and code of various content panels from the
>> Symphony grant in OpenOffice.
>>
>> (2) 190 fixes from Symphony are merged and integrated, mainly
>> interoperability issues
>>
>> (3) 600 defects are fixed
>>
>> (4) many more features and improvements are integrated
>>
>> For a detailed feature overview please see the release notes under
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/**confluence/display/OOOUSERS/**
>> AOO+4.0+Release+Notes
>> .
>> But keep in mind that the release notes are not yet final and will be
>> updated and polished ...
>>
>> The release candidate artifacts (source release, as well as binary
>> releases for 23 languages) and further information how to verify and
>> review Apache OpenOffice 4.0 can be found on the following wiki page:
>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/**confluence/display/OOOUSERS/**
>> Development+Snapshot+Builds#**DevelopmentSnapshotBuilds-**AOOSnapshot
>>
>> The related RAT scan for this RC can be found under
>> http://people.apache.org/~jsc/**aoo-4.0.0_rat/aoo-4.0.0_rat-**output.html
>>
>> The RC is based on the release branch AOO400, revision 1502185!
>>
>> Please vote on releasing this package as Apache OpenOffice 4.0.
>>
>> The vote starts now and will be open until:
>>
>> UTC at noon on Monday, 15 July: 2013-07-15 12:00 UTC.
>>
>> But we invite all people to vote (non binding) on this RC. We would like
>> to provide a release that is supported by the majority of our project
>> members.
>>
>> [ ] +1 Release this package as Apache OpenOffice 4.0
>> [ ]  0 Don't care
>> [ ] -1 Do not release this package because...
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Re: [QA][Test Report] Weekly Status Update as of 20130712

[Shenfeng Liu]

Thanks for the report, Yu Zhen!

Juergen just annoucned the RC build. Let's call for volunteers and start
the RC build testing!

- Shenfeng (Simon)


2013/7/12 Yuzhen Fan 

> Hi All,
>
> We continue doing the AOO 4.0 Final Regression test this week as well as
> the defect verification, here is the weekly update (07/08 - 07/12):
>
> *Test execution:*
> 1.  Final Regression test
> We have assigned 1804 text executions to about 20 volunteers, and completed
> about 68% in execution (1221 test executions done). We are closing this
> test window this week
>
> Sub TotalAssignedNot Assigned
> SubTotalRunNot Run
> Mac66446136695203
> Win75254423529083
> Redhat5145141283860
> Ubuntu37537537500
> Debian12120120
> Total209018041221583286
>
> 2. Release candidate acceptance test - test plan is ready, wait for RC
> build, test guidance here:
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+RC+Acceptance+Test+Guidance
>
> *Defect summary:*
> 1. Defect verification(with flag 4.0.0_release_blocker+) : there are 59
> bugs in backlog now, among of them, 31 are for translation, 11 are for
> code, which need actions from native reporters and development,
> respectively
>
> Accomplished this week (only for Function UI)
>
> Verified/FixedReopendWait for buildLook for env/platformNew
> fixed/added in backlog
> 182548
>
> Backlog at end of this week
>
> TotalL10NFunction CodeFunction UI
> 59311117
>
> *Issues & quality highlight:*
> 1. We need to clean up 59 resolved/fixed release blocker defects, there is
> gap on translation defects' verification
> 2. Some of these defects were late changes, and we may have to wait for RC
> to verify some of them
> *
> Volunteer status: *
> 1. No volunteers are for left translation defects' verification
> 2. No new volunteers(total 20 so far) on test execution work
> 3. 2 volunteers are on defect verification work, make little progress
> *
> Plan for next week:*
> 1. Work with volunteers to verify defects as release blocker (total 59)
> 2. Continue to do Drawing exploration test on Mac and Linux
> 3. Start to do RC acceptance test providing RC build is ready
>
> Thanks you all for effort this week, we are towards to the release
> candidate of AOO 4.0, let's continue and make progress next week!
>
> Regards,
> Yu Zhen
>