[DX-CHAT] KH8SI ON 30M
Absoutley ZERO reason to start working JA stations on 30M at 0630 ... They have to know they can work them all day long.AND THEN to QSX the entire 30M band is a bit much...I would like to know who the OP is tonight. Jose - N4BAA Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] How do we make better DXers?
It was frustrating and sad to listen to the KH8SI and 4O3T pileups this weekend (mostly SSB). When the DX station says, The station with 7 in the call, ending in Germany why do unrelated calls from all over the country continue to call? When the DX station comes back to a full callsign, why does the pileup size diminish only by half, rather than all but one? It makes it impossible for a better DXer to find the station being worked because so many others are still calling. The rate of these DX stations is being hindered by out-of-turn callers. When the rate is hindered, fewer people can work the DX station. Especially limited-time operations like KH8SI. It made me sad to be a DXer this weekend. My QSO with KH8SI on 17 meters took THREE go-arounds because they could not get my call (presumably because of all the people still calling). That's TWO MORE possible QSOs that were wasted by the out-of-turn callers. OUT-OF-TURN CALLERS ARE SETTING A BAD EXAMPLE, RUINING IT FOR THEMSELVES AND EVERYONE ELSE! 73 - Jim AD1C -- Jim Reisert AD1C, 7 Charlemont Court, North Chelmsford, MA 01863 USA +978-251-9933, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.ad1c.us Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] How do we make better DXers?
Jim! from all over the country Not exactly... from all over the world would be more correct. This problem started (or should I say got worse) when the DX-clusters started to show up on Internet. 73/DX de Osten SM5DQC - Original Message - From: Jim Reisert AD1C [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 5:21 PM Subject: [DX-CHAT] How do we make better DXers? It was frustrating and sad to listen to the KH8SI and 4O3T pileups this weekend (mostly SSB). When the DX station says, The station with 7 in the call, ending in Germany why do unrelated calls from all over the country continue to call? When the DX station comes back to a full callsign, why does the pileup size diminish only by half, rather than all but one? It makes it impossible for a better DXer to find the station being worked because so many others are still calling. The rate of these DX stations is being hindered by out-of-turn callers. When the rate is hindered, fewer people can work the DX station. Especially limited-time operations like KH8SI. It made me sad to be a DXer this weekend. My QSO with KH8SI on 17 meters took THREE go-arounds because they could not get my call (presumably because of all the people still calling). That's TWO MORE possible QSOs that were wasted by the out-of-turn callers. OUT-OF-TURN CALLERS ARE SETTING A BAD EXAMPLE, RUINING IT FOR THEMSELVES AND EVERYONE ELSE! 73 - Jim AD1C -- Jim Reisert AD1C, 7 Charlemont Court, North Chelmsford, MA 01863 USA +978-251-9933, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.ad1c.us Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] How do we make better DXers?
Maybe they started there with the advent of clusters but it has been going on for ages over here. Some just seem to want to call all the time regardless. 73, Charlie, W0YG.. - Original Message - From: Osten B Magnusson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jim Reisert AD1C [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] How do we make better DXers? Jim! from all over the country Not exactly... from all over the world would be more correct. This problem started (or should I say got worse) when the DX-clusters started to show up on Internet. 73/DX de Osten SM5DQC - Original Message - From: Jim Reisert AD1C [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 5:21 PM Subject: [DX-CHAT] How do we make better DXers? It was frustrating and sad to listen to the KH8SI and 4O3T pileups this weekend (mostly SSB). When the DX station says, The station with 7 in the call, ending in Germany why do unrelated calls from all over the country continue to call? When the DX station comes back to a full callsign, why does the pileup size diminish only by half, rather than all but one? It makes it impossible for a better DXer to find the station being worked because so many others are still calling. The rate of these DX stations is being hindered by out-of-turn callers. When the rate is hindered, fewer people can work the DX station. Especially limited-time operations like KH8SI. It made me sad to be a DXer this weekend. My QSO with KH8SI on 17 meters took THREE go-arounds because they could not get my call (presumably because of all the people still calling). That's TWO MORE possible QSOs that were wasted by the out-of-turn callers. OUT-OF-TURN CALLERS ARE SETTING A BAD EXAMPLE, RUINING IT FOR THEMSELVES AND EVERYONE ELSE! 73 - Jim AD1C -- Jim Reisert AD1C, 7 Charlemont Court, North Chelmsford, MA 01863 USA +978-251-9933, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.ad1c.us Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] How do we make better DXers?
Jim: I and the other ops in C9 earlier this month and part of June had the same problem, its nothing particular to KH8SI. If I was calling for say USA or by the numbers only, ops in one country especially would keep coming back, no matter what I said. If I asked the offending station if they were a say 6 and they were a 1 or if they were in the USA and they were in Europe, they just gave me the signal report like they never heard me calling by the numbers or anything else. Often I had to work them because they were so strong they would blot out my entire listening range of 5-10 khz. up and they wouldn't give up no matter what I said. One of our ops, NE5EE/C91EE Dave, had a novel reply back to them. First he said he was blacklisting their call in his log, then if they persisted he said he was blacklisting their entire COUNTRY and would tell everyone who was the offending operator. He actually did it a few times, but I'm not sure how effective it was hi hi. 73 de Tom, WW5L/C91TL PS: All C91TL cards received direct so far have been answered.. Jim Reisert AD1C wrote: It was frustrating and sad to listen to the KH8SI and 4O3T pileups this weekend (mostly SSB). When the DX station says, The station with 7 in the call, ending in Germany why do unrelated calls from all over the country continue to call? When the DX station comes back to a full callsign, why does the pileup size diminish only by half, rather than all but one? It makes it impossible for a better DXer to find the station being worked because so many others are still calling. The rate of these DX stations is being hindered by out-of-turn callers. When the rate is hindered, fewer people can work the DX station. Especially limited-time operations like KH8SI. It made me sad to be a DXer this weekend. My QSO with KH8SI on 17 meters took THREE go-arounds because they could not get my call (presumably because of all the people still calling). That's TWO MORE possible QSOs that were wasted by the out-of-turn callers. OUT-OF-TURN CALLERS ARE SETTING A BAD EXAMPLE, RUINING IT FOR THEMSELVES AND EVERYONE ELSE! 73 - Jim AD1C Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] How do we make better DXers?
I will tell you why Jim.. This morning on 30 meters the op would get a partial call, say WK7 and would sent that back and then come back to a completely different call, like JA1ABC or something like that. People now know that so they just keep calling on top of the other station. It appears to work for a lot of them. Also yesterday on 20 SSB the KH8 said ok I am standing by for Africa on 14215 Africa only, and then he went back to a stateside station... Just not good DX procedure. Rod WC7N - Original Message - From: Jim Reisert AD1C [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 8:21 AM Subject: [DX-CHAT] How do we make better DXers? It was frustrating and sad to listen to the KH8SI and 4O3T pileups this weekend (mostly SSB). When the DX station says, The station with 7 in the call, ending in Germany why do unrelated calls from all over the country continue to call? When the DX station comes back to a full callsign, why does the pileup size diminish only by half, rather than all but one? It makes it impossible for a better DXer to find the station being worked because so many others are still calling. The rate of these DX stations is being hindered by out-of-turn callers. When the rate is hindered, fewer people can work the DX station. Especially limited-time operations like KH8SI. It made me sad to be a DXer this weekend. My QSO with KH8SI on 17 meters took THREE go-arounds because they could not get my call (presumably because of all the people still calling). That's TWO MORE possible QSOs that were wasted by the out-of-turn callers. OUT-OF-TURN CALLERS ARE SETTING A BAD EXAMPLE, RUINING IT FOR THEMSELVES AND EVERYONE ELSE! 73 - Jim AD1C -- Jim Reisert AD1C, 7 Charlemont Court, North Chelmsford, MA 01863 USA +978-251-9933, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.ad1c.us Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] How do we make better DXers?
The DX just has to be strict about who gets to get through. The pileup should be held up until WK7 gets to get through, or the DX says the whiskey kilo seven please and is met with silence. Yeah, QSO rate may plummet, but that's just what has to happen to keep the pileup in line. I'm in favor of the DX giving specific instructions to keep the pileup in line. I've worked some hard ones on 30m because the DX sent UP 17 instead of just UP and three-quarters of the pile didn't follow. The more the DX can reward the good, skilled, and polite DXer with the contact at the expense of the brute-force jerks, the better the pileups will get. Dan Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] 4O3T operation
Ok, guys, here's the word straight from the horse's mouth. The operation here in Montenegro at 4O3T is a mix of very experienced ops and really anyone who wants to come down and help get the new country on. This is deliberate on the organizers' part. How are new people going to learn if they never get the chance to jump in and just do it.I've been licensed a long time myself, but operate only sporadically, being fond of 10m ssb contesting and 10 ghz and the occasional new country, so it's quite an experience to be plopped down in front of a radio I've never seen, pointed to a foot switch sliding around the floor (which I haven't used in at least ten years) and thrown into the mix.The pileups are indeed not orderly. Often I catch part or even one letter of a call and try that person only to have no response or at least be unable to hear the response so I go on to whatever signal I can copy at that point. There's not much point to screaming "shut up" to all the other stations calling out of turn and it would be a waste of time. And being out of practice, I need to repeat the whole call to make sure I've logged it correctly (not to mention ZZ throwing a fit if I make too many mistakes!). What works best seems to be to stay calm, ignore the most egregious idiots if possible, but if they're the loudest thing on the band, drowning out everyone else, I might as well work them and get them out of the mix. If you add in the occasional deliberate QRM (sometimes even worse for a yl op) and it can get a bit tiresome (on both sides).Still, remind yourselves that this is supposed to be fun, not work! So enjoy.Linda KA1ZDLinda Churma Sumner 860-202-2999 Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.
Re: [DX-CHAT] How do we make better DXers?
Perhaps a little extreme, but I believe the only solution is for the DX peds to start blacklisting the offenders. Post them on the 'net and when they send for their card, send a little note saying sorry. 73, Barry Charlie, W0YG wrote: Maybe they started there with the advent of clusters but it has been going on for ages over here. Some just seem to want to call all the time regardless. 73, Charlie, W0YG.. - Original Message - From: Osten B Magnusson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jim Reisert AD1C [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] How do we make better DXers? Jim! from all over the country Not exactly... from all over the world would be more correct. This problem started (or should I say got worse) when the DX-clusters started to show up on Internet. 73/DX de Osten SM5DQC - Original Message - From: Jim Reisert AD1C [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 5:21 PM Subject: [DX-CHAT] How do we make better DXers? It was frustrating and sad to listen to the KH8SI and 4O3T pileups this weekend (mostly SSB). When the DX station says, The station with 7 in the call, ending in Germany why do unrelated calls from all over the country continue to call? When the DX station comes back to a full callsign, why does the pileup size diminish only by half, rather than all but one? It makes it impossible for a better DXer to find the station being worked because so many others are still calling. The rate of these DX stations is being hindered by out-of-turn callers. When the rate is hindered, fewer people can work the DX station. Especially limited-time operations like KH8SI. It made me sad to be a DXer this weekend. My QSO with KH8SI on 17 meters took THREE go-arounds because they could not get my call (presumably because of all the people still calling). That's TWO MORE possible QSOs that were wasted by the out-of-turn callers. OUT-OF-TURN CALLERS ARE SETTING A BAD EXAMPLE, RUINING IT FOR THEMSELVES AND EVERYONE ELSE! 73 - Jim AD1C -- Jim Reisert AD1C, 7 Charlemont Court, North Chelmsford, MA 01863 USA +978-251-9933, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.ad1c.us Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org -- Barry Kutner, W2UP Newtown, PA Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] How do we make better DXers?
I think long-term blacklisting is too harsh. I don't think that the people who are calling out of turn are necessarily doing it because they're bad people. I think it's because they know it increases, rather than decreases their chance of getting through. I'm OK with short-term blacklisting though. A quick KQ3XX come back tomorrow, no contact today is likely fairly effective. It should just be for a single band-mode-day though. It'd give the bad apples many chances to modify their behavior. Dan Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] Out of turn callers
Come on guys. This is supposed to be hobby. The blacklist thing is nonsense. You open yourselves up to potential lawsuits. Who can say for sure that the "bad" caller is using his real call. So, ifyou want to blacklist someone, just use their call. Just look at the spots and announcements. Is BOZO a real call? I agree with Linda Sumner and it's competition (who can beat or out fox the pile). As all of you "DXers" know, some operators take tail-enders or stations a little off the current listening frequency. That's part of the chase. How is the operator taking calls? I listen and follow the operators lead. Enough said! Best regards,Chuck-K7PT
Re: [DX-CHAT] 4O3T operation
I disagree with Linda. When the dx op calls a partial call, then s/he must keep trying until s/he works the station. This is the only way to control the pileup. The pileup needs to understand that continuing to call out of turn will only slow down the qso rate because no other station than the partial call will be worked. de Ken W3JJ From Linda KA1ZD: Often I catch part or even one letter of a call and try that person only to have no response or at least be unable to hear the response so I go on to whatever signal I can copy at that point. There's not much point to screaming shut up to all the other stations calling out of turn and it would be a waste of time. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] How do we make better DXers?
I totally agree with what Dan says BUT it just doesn't work that way. I have made plenty of DXpeditions, none to a place I had to stay in a tent in 100+degree weather or wear a jacket so heavy I could barely move. When you say the CV station only, many guys still call. OK, you say again, the CV only. Now a few less call but they still are QRMing the QRG. You say again the CV only. Now a few less call. Finally you get the station, F2CV or N0CV or whoever, but it wasn't because guys quit calling. It was because a few savvy DXers understood you were coming back to one station only and finally stood by. I personally will never leave a call if I get a partial. Rate be damned! I have seen this behavior time after time. I don't think there is anything one can do to get this across to the masses. As the DX, I just keep at it and never vary. If your call is CV, you are going to get in the log! Now, that being said, when working a JA pileup, it can be a thing of beauty but sometimes this even bites you. You come back to a weak weak ABJ and give a report and you hear ABJ come back, weak as water but hearable because the other JA's stood by. However, to get ABJ to send his call twice or three times is like pulling dragon's teeth. The JA stations are so polite that JA9ABJ doesn't want to run the risk of QRMing JA1ABJ. None of this will stop me from going out again. Look for me from VK9C in October/November this year. That's how it goes! 73, Charlie, W0YG.. - Original Message - From: Dan Zimmerman N3OX [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] How do we make better DXers? The DX just has to be strict about who gets to get through. The pileup should be held up until WK7 gets to get through, or the DX says the whiskey kilo seven please and is met with silence. Yeah, QSO rate may plummet, but that's just what has to happen to keep the pileup in line. I'm in favor of the DX giving specific instructions to keep the pileup in line. I've worked some hard ones on 30m because the DX sent UP 17 instead of just UP and three-quarters of the pile didn't follow. The more the DX can reward the good, skilled, and polite DXer with the contact at the expense of the brute-force jerks, the better the pileups will get. Dan Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] How do we make better DXers?
Why do they do it? Two reasons: (1) Some don't know better. They were never shown the ropes, or they've learned by observing, and unfortunately, they've observed bad examples. (2) It works. I've been in too many pileups, over the years, where the DX has said the Alpha Whiskey or the W N 3 only, several totally unrelated calls have come back, and he WORKED them instead of trying for me (or whomever) again. So the learned behavior is to call on any partial call, even unrelated, because too many DX will work the loudest signal coming back. Oh yes, there's a third reason. It has to do with the inherent nature of certain DX hogs themselves, but in order to accurately describe this type, I'd have to use language that isn't permitted on this reflector. 73, ron w3wn -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jim Reisert AD1C Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 11:21 AM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] How do we make better DXers? It was frustrating and sad to listen to the KH8SI and 4O3T pileups this weekend (mostly SSB). When the DX station says, The station with 7 in the call, ending in Germany why do unrelated calls from all over the country continue to call? When the DX station comes back to a full callsign, why does the pileup size diminish only by half, rather than all but one? It makes it impossible for a better DXer to find the station being worked because so many others are still calling. The rate of these DX stations is being hindered by out-of-turn callers. When the rate is hindered, fewer people can work the DX station. Especially limited-time operations like KH8SI. It made me sad to be a DXer this weekend. My QSO with KH8SI on 17 meters took THREE go-arounds because they could not get my call (presumably because of all the people still calling). That's TWO MORE possible QSOs that were wasted by the out-of-turn callers. OUT-OF-TURN CALLERS ARE SETTING A BAD EXAMPLE, RUINING IT FOR THEMSELVES AND EVERYONE ELSE! 73 - Jim AD1C -- Jim Reisert AD1C, 7 Charlemont Court, North Chelmsford, MA 01863 USA +978-251-9933, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.ad1c.us Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] How do we make better DXers?
If the DX announces he's listening in a range of frequencies, I think in many instances those who can't find the frequency the DX is listening on right now simply announce their callsign over and over, listening briefly in between to see if the DX has heard it. After all, the DX is supposedly tuning around in the announced range, so if one cannot tail-end by finding the station being worked, maybe one can get lucky. The result is what we all hear... bedlam. It's still a pile-up; it's just spread out more. I'm not sufficiently expert to presume to know how to fix this, but it seems to me that announcing a specific frequency is often better than a range. Sure everyone will call together, but often DXers will figure out that if they move off center a bit they stand a better chance of being heard by the DX. The DX can then work the edges of the pileup, the upper edge then the lower edge, switching at intervals as the pileup realizes where he's listening and flows in that direction. It's really the same thing on a much narrower scale, but it seems to me announcing a single listening frequency often works better than announcing a 5 or 10 KHz range. 73, Jerry K3BZ - Original Message - From: Jim Reisert AD1C [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 11:21 AM Subject: [DX-CHAT] How do we make better DXers? It was frustrating and sad to listen to the KH8SI and 4O3T pileups this weekend (mostly SSB). When the DX station says, The station with 7 in the call, ending in Germany why do unrelated calls from all over the country continue to call? When the DX station comes back to a full callsign, why does the pileup size diminish only by half, rather than all but one? It makes it impossible for a better DXer to find the station being worked because so many others are still calling. The rate of these DX stations is being hindered by out-of-turn callers. When the rate is hindered, fewer people can work the DX station. Especially limited-time operations like KH8SI. It made me sad to be a DXer this weekend. My QSO with KH8SI on 17 meters took THREE go-arounds because they could not get my call (presumably because of all the people still calling). That's TWO MORE possible QSOs that were wasted by the out-of-turn callers. OUT-OF-TURN CALLERS ARE SETTING A BAD EXAMPLE, RUINING IT FOR THEMSELVES AND EVERYONE ELSE! 73 - Jim AD1C -- Jim Reisert AD1C, 7 Charlemont Court, North Chelmsford, MA 01863 USA +978-251-9933, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.ad1c.us Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] 4O3T operation
I agree with Ken. The 4O3T operator on 10 meters the other day called N0O, I went back to him right away with my call again. Guess what? In the time that it took me to give my call again, he was giving somebody else a 59. I think they need to be more persistent. As you can imagine the smile left my face. Mac, N0OB I disagree with Linda. When the dx op calls a partial call, then s/he must keep trying until s/he works the station. This is the only way to control the pileup. The pileup needs to understand that continuing to call out of turn will only slow down the qso rate because no other station than the partial call will be worked. de Ken W3JJ From Linda KA1ZD: Often I catch part or even one letter of a call and try that person only to have no response or at least be unable to hear the response so I go on to whatever signal I can copy at that point. There's not much point to screaming shut up to all the other stations calling out of turn and it would be a waste of time. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] How do we make better DXers?
A few made a good point, it is up to the DX station to control the pileup. I didn't want to go down that path. But a couple of points to keep in mind: - We (the callers) are the many, they (the DXpedition operators) are the few. They are the ones who have invested the time and money in getting there and operating. We should be responsible enough to behave ourselves. Ease the burden on the few. - Frustration is caused by the belief that you will not work the DX station. Frustration breeds desperation. Imagine how much less frustration there would be if the out-of-turn callers just kept quiet and let the DX operator work someone in the clear. The rate will go up, as will the hope of everyone else in the pileup. Just because WX9QRO calls overtop of everyone, and in frustration and/or desperation, the DX operator works him to get him out of the way does NOT make it right, and does NOT mean that we have to follow that example. 73 - Jim AD1C -- Jim Reisert AD1C, 7 Charlemont Court, North Chelmsford, MA 01863 USA +978-251-9933, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.ad1c.us Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] How do we make better DXers?
At 12:26 PM 7/30/2006 -0400, Dan Zimmerman N3OX wrote: I'm OK with short-term blacklisting though. A quick KQ3XX come back tomorrow, no contact today is likely fairly effective. As a KQ3 type, I'm going to assume (with good humor) that wasn't directed toward me. HI!! But it's not all (or even partially) the DX station's fault. I listened on various frequencies throughout the 20m listening range and was somewhat appalled by what I heard. There was a 5-land station (not picking on 5s, it's just I could hear them well) who called no matter who KH8SI came back to. I can understand that sometimes we can overlap with the DX, but this seemed to go beyond that. The NE7 station WA5 blah-blah...N9QL 59 WA5 blah-blahWho's the 4PA? WA5 blah-blah. And on and on and on. When my turn came up it went like this (1) The Foxtrot(2) The station ending Foxtrot...(3) The station with Foxtrot...(4) The Kilo Quebec(5) The Kilo Quebec with Foxtrot...finally (6) OK, I have it now, Kilo Quebec Three Foxtrot 59. Now if he heard the Foxtrot, then he should have been able to hear the rest of it on the second or maybe third try. Why did it take SIX takes until he got it? Obviously, others were transmitting. 73, Joe KQ3F Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] KH8SI
At 05:43 PM 07/30/2006, nick cominos wrote: After reading a variety of opinions I felt compelled to add to the mix. While I have never been on the operating end of a DXpedition, the mere idea of allowing the entire ham population to call indiscriminately is atrocious. I disagree. Opening it up wide gets the Big Guns out of the way a lot faster. I'd say maybe target by continent, if anything, but not go by numbers all that much. Call area is one that I find to be the most rewarding for both the DXpedition and those calling. Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Most recent example of this was last Friday night with Swains. They were going by numbers but with the band fading out, by the time they must have gotten around to 1 and 2 and 3, there was no more propagation to 1, 2 and 3. Conversely, they spent a long time in the initial go-around on 6s and 7s, whereas 6 and 7 would continue to have props LONG after the east coast lost signal. Going by numbers is probably better when dealing with a big European pileup than a big American pileup just because the calls are so intermixed there, much more so than here where I'd venture to say a good sized number of operators are operating from the same area as is their call (4's in 4-land, as opposed to a 2's living in 4-land). I think a better way would be to start out with an understanding of what circuits are open when/where and then target based on that data. East coast, central NA, west coast, northern EU, southern EU, South America, VK/ZL, Africa/Indian Ocean and JA. should, IMHO, be specifically targeted in a major operation. (and I stress MAJOR in this context). Simply spreading out the pile up and using enormous spectrum is not the answer. Good operators should be able to open it wide up first and second day over 10 to 15 kHz on SSB and maybe 5-10 on CW, max. I agree that there's no need to listen over 40 kHz for SSB. I still remember the 40m CW op on Peter 1, just kept going up and up and up and up and up andFeh. Best to let the guys who've put real money into their stations get their Q's and get out of the way. The DX station works the edges then wades into the middle and eventually starts working the little pistols everywhere in the middle. It is a cultural problem within the amateur community and not exclusive to one continent or another. Those of you who understand won't require further explanation. A good public shaming and temporary NIL will stop some of that. Or to avoid confrontation, just work the guy and don't log him. Enough DX does that and Lid gets the message when all of a sudden he doesn't get any QSLs from the 5 top DXpeditions he worked. Maybe that's what it takes for the message to sink in. Then the height of impropriety, as is the case for KH8SI right now, is breaking the pace of the pile up to talk with another station at length. These matters should be handled on another preassigned frequency with a Pilot station. It's the DX's prerogative. Period. If they WANT to talk to their pilot (or their best friend, or wife or club-mates or the man in the moon) that's their business. Frankly, I just heard the exchange you obviously did and I gleaned information from it. I think those QSOs are very informative and give perspective of the operation to The Deserving. It also is a way to get news of the inner-workings, trials, tribulations, successes and disappointments of the operators on the ground. Gone are the days when simple equipment, simple antenna arrangements and some stick to it allowed a new ham to work plenty of DX and didn't require mega bucks. It does NOT require megabucks today. Balderdash. 100W, a modest wire, patience, skill and a few handfuls of sunspots are all that's needed to get one's country count well into the mid-upper 200s. I came in in 2001 with a TS-820 and a wire at 35'. By the time I moved to my present QTH last fall I was up beyond 250 (with maybe 10 or 15 of those from a nice club station with a multiband yagi). Most of those were made with that wire and increasingly-better transceivers (TS-570 for 4 years, then a Mark V, then a 600W amp on top of it). A new DXer getting in today with a modest station would need a simple rig (TS-570 is an excellent starter rig, used for under $650 if you shop around), a modest antenna -- a few dollars worth of wire if you can get it high enough or scrounge around and be able to put up a small vertical or yagi if you can, maybe an AL-811 used for about $400 and you'll work pretty well anything you can hear if you have patience and learn the skillz needed. A broadband connection to a DX cluster sure helps, too! I worked enough to earn my 5-Band DXCC from the old QTH in 3 years and 7 months, and it took me 8 months to get my first DXCC certificate. So Bravo Seirra to needing a mega-station to get a high country count. Propagation sucks on the upper bands for the moment, yes. If I were getting
Re: [DX-CHAT] How do we make better DXers?
At 05:56 PM 07/30/2006, Jim Reisert AD1C wrote: Just because WX9QRO calls overtop of everyone, and in frustration and/or desperation, the DX operator works him to get him out of the way does NOT make it right, and does NOT mean that we have to follow that example. To that end it would be nice if the big-name operations (and operators) all got together and decided that Alpha-Hotels like WX9QRO in your example will get a proverbial Lump Of Coal in their QSL return envelope (and the donation kept). Cheers, Peter, W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] [dx-chat] Bencher
Help guys... I have a nice plastic cover over my Bencher with my call engraved in it... Have had it for more years than I would like to admit to... My son, new general class ham,W5LSU, asked where I got it and I have gone through the ads in QST and did a Google and I can't find it. Can you help me ? Rod WC7N [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] KH8SI
Ok guys I have already seen some chatter about the next group... Like watch your DX Bulleting Who has the straight poop. Rod WC7N - Original Message - From: harris_ruben [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat List dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] KH8SI At 6:35 PM -0400 7/30/06, Peter Dougherty wrote: 100W, a modest wire, patience, skill and a few handfuls of sunspots are all that's needed to get one's country count well into the mid-upper 200s. Maybe. I have a Hy-Gain DB-1217 at 60' on 17, my favorite band, an Explorer-14 at 50', plus an AL 1500 behind it. I worked The Montenegro easiest on 40 CW with 100W to a rotatable dipole, and I can barely just copy my call and get a reply back on CW. At my vacation home I have a 17M kind-of-inverted-vee and could hear swain's well enough to copy. Barefoot here, I didn't even try to call when I listened to the big guns up 5 to 10 -- especially the 6's. I know -- that's how I sound to THEM with MY KW when they first tried to work Montenegro. I suspect there will be many more trips to KH8 Swain's and I won't be missing it for long. It's a game that I enjoy and these additions got me back on the air after a year and a half of almost no activity. N2ERN -- No trees were harmed in the sending of this message, however a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] Logging Programs
Is it ok if I ask about a good logging program on here? If so, I have an old DOS version of HYPERLOG, and I just did a websearch for hyperlog and looks as if they have gone by the wayside. I'd like to find a very good program that has these features: will convert all my Hyperlog data, track IOTA and scan within that database to see if I have previously worked that island( ie: NA125). Another nice feature, but not needed is: WAS, WAC etc. I will assume there is a website dedicated to comparing various DX logging programs? Thanks in advance, Rod KA5EJX Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Out of turn callers
Come on Zack, you are up to your ears in that IL cow stuff. Rod WC7N - Original Message - From: Zack Widup [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chuck Degard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Out of turn callers On Sun, 30 Jul 2006, Chuck Degard wrote: Come on guys. This is supposed to be hobby. The blacklist thing is nonsense. You open yourselves up to potential lawsuits. Who can say for sure that the bad caller is using his real call. That's a very good point. I was calling in one very large pileup a few years ago. It was an SSB pileup - a rare occurrance for me, but at the time I suspected this particular operation would be the last for many years from that country, and he wasn't working CW at all. Someone taped or digitally recorded me calling and started playing it back on the DX frequency. I was rather upset. Maybe that's what I get for working SSB. :-) On CW it would even be more difficult to tell if the offending station was in fact the one whose callsign was being sent. But even on SSB, it isn't a sure thing, as in above example. 73, Zack W9SZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] KH8SI
Listening to Paul, work the gang on 17 meters. What a delight to hear his staying with a partial call until the entire call makes it into the log.He stays cool...works simplex till the pile-up builds, then moves the pile up 5 til it gets too busy then 5 to 10. Always the same professional demeanor, and pace. No nonsense tolerated. BRAVO 73 de Al, W5IZ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] AD1C 2006 DXCC totals (band condx)
I can easily keep track of DXCC entities worked since the start of the year. My goal this year was to work DXCC on CW, SSB and Digital (mostly RTTY). I've accomplished this, but just barely on RTTY (104 worked). Out of curiosity, I just checked my band totals: 80m: 42 40m: 93 30m: 59 20m: 128 17m: 62 15m: 70 12m: 1 10m: 13 I have not put ANY emphasis whatsoever on working band countries. I have not seriously operated any CW or SSB contests (no more than a couple hundred QSOs), just a couple RTTY contests. When I get on in CW/SSB contests, it's just to work new prefixes (and work needed CW/SSB countries for the year). By the way, DX4WIN makes it VERY EASY to do this! Interesting things I noticed: - 20 meter is the money band, of course! - without trying and usually with 100W, have almost worked DXCC on 40m - there's still life on 15 meters (this surprised me!) I still need zone 24 for WAZ this year, but have not tried (BD7KLO is active on RTTY, and VR2XMT on SSB). There's lots of stuff to work out that that isn't super rare. And it's still fun! 73 - Jim AD1C p.s. I've worked 3 all-time new entities this year (VU4, YU6 and KH8SI), and I only needed 4 (BS7H is the last). I can't remember how long it's been since THAT happened! -- Jim Reisert AD1C, 7 Charlemont Court, North Chelmsford, MA 01863 USA +978-251-9933, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.ad1c.us Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Logging Programs
At 08:01 PM 07/30/2006, KA5EJX wrote: Is it ok if I ask about a good logging program on here? I will assume there is a website dedicated to comparing various DX logging programs? Hi Rod, What you consider a good logger others would disagree, and it depends on your level of activity and desires and budget (is some cases). Me, I'm a software junkie and of all the apps I use for everything, I look at my logger more than anything including my browser and e-mail software. I want an 800-pound gorilla that will track everything, control my station and feed me Guinness and Wings in pileups. Well, almost I went with DX Base after a lot of trial-and-error with various and sundry loggers. The only one that came close was DX4WIN, but I didn't like the interface (personal choice). I found DX Base was more like traditional Windows apps, is phenomenally powerful and customizable. Over the years it's developped into a world-class logger (albeit with a handful of small annoyances), but compared to everything else out there, in my opinion, it's the best in show. Feature-wise and robustness-wise, I'd say DX4WIN and miLOG come very close, and Logger32 (freebie) and MacLog (Mac only) are serious contenders. There are a plethora of cheapies or lesser-powered loggers out there too. If you want basic logging and DXCC/WAS tracking, pretty well anything will do, but if you want full automation and station coordination, go with whichever of the Big Boys suits your tastes. Important, too, is a good contest logger if you participate in contests, and to these eyes and fingers, there's only one worth of using and that's N1MM Contest Logger. Freeware, easy as anything to use and absolutely second-nature. Read the reviews on eHam of those that you're interested in learning more about and many of them have trial versions of various usefulness before you whip out your credit card. I can tell you that DX Base will set you back a C-note first time, and yearly upgrades are $35. DX4WIN is a little cheaper, and ProLog is a little more if you include all the modules that make it useful. Cheers, Peter, W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Logging Programs
FWIW, I have tried DXBase and DX4Win and have thus settled in with DXLAB SUITE by AA6YQ. Can't beat the cost, it does everything the other two big names do, is fully customizable, and has features the others don'tI do agree with Peter, need to assess you desires and go from thereUpdates are free and self installing! You are even notified by the program when there is a new update available.then click...and its done! Try them all and get back with me! I am in no way affiliated with AA6YQ or his software other than being a VERY satisfied customer for over3 years! 73, Jose - N4BAA Peter Dougherty wrote: At 08:01 PM 07/30/2006, KA5EJX wrote: Is it ok if I ask about a good logging program on here? I will assume there is a website dedicated to comparing various DX logging programs? Hi Rod, What you consider a good logger others would disagree, and it depends on your level of activity and desires and budget (is some cases). Me, I'm a software junkie and of all the apps I use for everything, I look at my logger more than anything including my browser and e-mail software. I want an 800-pound gorilla that will track everything, control my station and feed me Guinness and Wings in pileups. Well, almost I went with DX Base after a lot of trial-and-error with various and sundry loggers. The only one that came close was DX4WIN, but I didn't like the interface (personal choice). I found DX Base was more like traditional Windows apps, is phenomenally powerful and customizable. Over the years it's developped into a world-class logger (albeit with a handful of small annoyances), but compared to everything else out there, in my opinion, it's the best in show. Feature-wise and robustness-wise, I'd say DX4WIN and miLOG come very close, and Logger32 (freebie) and MacLog (Mac only) are serious contenders. There are a plethora of cheapies or lesser-powered loggers out there too. If you want basic logging and DXCC/WAS tracking, pretty well anything will do, but if you want full automation and station coordination, go with whichever of the Big Boys suits your tastes. Important, too, is a good contest logger if you participate in contests, and to these eyes and fingers, there's only one worth of using and that's N1MM Contest Logger. Freeware, easy as anything to use and absolutely second-nature. Read the reviews on eHam of those that you're interested in learning more about and many of them have trial versions of various usefulness before you whip out your credit card. I can tell you that DX Base will set you back a C-note first time, and yearly upgrades are $35. DX4WIN is a little cheaper, and ProLog is a little more if you include all the modules that make it useful. Cheers, Peter, W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Logging Programs
Rod, I use Logger32 fro day to day logging. Love it! www.logger32.net I use N1MM for contesting. The best! http://pages.cthome.net/n1mm/ Both free! Gerry VE6LB/VA6XDX ARRL DXCC Card Checker VE/VA6 QSL Bureau Team (403) 251-6520 ve6lb (at) rac.ca www.qsl.net/ve6lb/ - Original Message - From: KA5EJX [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: DX-Chat dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 6:01 PM Subject: [DX-CHAT] Logging Programs Is it ok if I ask about a good logging program on here? If so, I have an old DOS version of HYPERLOG, and I just did a websearch for hyperlog and looks as if they have gone by the wayside. I'd like to find a very good program that has these features: will convert all my Hyperlog data, track IOTA and scan within that database to see if I have previously worked that island( ie: NA125). Another nice feature, but not needed is: WAS, WAC etc. I will assume there is a website dedicated to comparing various DX logging programs? Thanks in advance, Rod KA5EJX Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] [working DX
At 8:43 PM -0400 7/30/06, Peter Dougherty wrote: At 07:03 PM 07/30/2006, you wrote: Maybe. I have a Hy-Gain DB-1217 at 60' on 17, my favorite band, an Explorer-14 at 50', plus an AL 1500 behind it. I worked The Montenegro easiest on 40 CW with 100W to a rotatable dipole, and I can barely just copy my call and get a reply back on CW. I'm really surprised at that. I have a Force 12 2/2/1 (5.5 dBd on both bands and rot. dipole on 30), fed with an AL-1200. I can usually slam through anything in under 4 or 5 calls here in NJ. Took 5 calls to Swains on 17 last night. I'm running a C31XR at 70' or so for 10-15-20, and even on 20, I'm usually able to get in in under 1/2 an hour. Are you in a valley or something? Methinks Peter misunderstands. My poor CW skills make it quite a challenge to work anything in that mode, although I can usually make out N2ERN at just about any speed. I can pretty much do whatever I need to do from my NJ QTH on top of the Watchungs, esp. on 17. I rarely put the amp on for any CW attempts because I'm just terrible at copying it. No excuses or complaints about my station here. But I still need BS7H, P5 and Swains. I heartily recommend the Hy-Gain DB-1217, though. It's one heluva piece of aluminum!! N2ERN -- Visit my blog at http://waterandwaves.blogspot.com Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] How do we make better DXers?
Joe, Didn't mean to single out your prefix! I did a qrz.com search on KQ3XX just in case ;-) My favorite (and this happened a bit on 6m today when it was open to the Carribean) is this, and I'll be the lid this time... that's safe. DX: 6 Yankee One Victor QRZed? DX: Kilo Quebec Three Foxt***NOVEMBER THREE OCEAN X-RAY*** and 9 in FK18. KQ3F (who can luckily hear over me) thanks you're five and 9 DX: Thanks this is Six Yan***NOVEMBER THREE OCEAN X-RAY*** QRZed? Gotta love it. I'm working on worked all currently transmitting stations by the way. The situation in the big unruly pileups seems exactly analogous to capital area traffic, by the way. There are times around here, if everyone just let one single person in from the merge lane and just left a little, tiny bit of space for traffic to move around, the Beltway would move at 60MPH. Since everyone's being skittish and selfish and watching out only for themselves, traffic moves at 23MPH. The selfishness, of course, is totally misplaced. The best thing for the DC metro drivers and the callers trying to break the pileup to do to get through is calm down and be orderly. Things will happen much more smoothly, you'll get your to the end of the commute faster or get your contact sooner. Oh well, don't think KH8/S is going to happen for me this time, but I did work 2 new 6m band-countries today so I've had a good one. 73, Dan Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] I take it all back
You CAN work new DX with nothing. Here I am, at my Summer home, and I hear KH8SI (55) on my 17M sort-of-inverted-vee that went up yesterday, and I picked a quiet spot and... worked a new one on 100 w. The bands ARE open. It's just that no one is on them. N2ERN -- No trees were harmed in the sending of this message, however a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Stupid splits...
Peter, I am, of course, referring to the current situation, but he's not the only time I've heard this. A certain DXpedition to the near-antarctic on 40m CW was a travesty some nights this way too. I know ops get caught up in the pileup, but sometimes you've just got to hit the split reset button and come back to 1kHz up. I could never figure out what was going on with 3Y0X on 40CW. I worked 'em on 30m, 20m CW and I got them on FORTY METER SSB. I live in an apartment and use magnet wire antennas and a barefoot FT-857D!!! They were awesome ops doing everything right except that 40m split just got so wacky. OK KH8SI on 30m now... wish me luck, here I go... Dan Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Stupid splits...
Gee, only 35 up? As of the time I'm writing this (about 12:30 AM EDT), he's on 14.022 (and a pretty solid S8 on my G5RV) with guys calling him all the way up to 14.082. I guess that would be 60 wide, though it does't look or sound like anyone is calling him below around 14.042, so I guess he's got a 40kHz wide pileup that starts 20 kHz up from his frequency. Wow. I guess I'll get him next time ...On 7/31/06, Peter Dougherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 11:46 PM 07/30/2006, Dan Zimmerman N3OX wrote:On the subject of things that plague DXpeditions... what makes ops think it's OK to drift the pileup from 5 up to 35 up during the courseof the evening??!?!Let me clarify this - that's a CW pileup, NOT PHONE! I really do feelsorry for the poor guy. I think he's trying his best but CW isn't his native language ;-)Cheers,Peter,W2IRTSubscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problemshttp://njdxa.org/dx-chatTo post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.orgThis is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXAhttp://njdxa.org
