[Dx4win] DX4WIN vs. Freebees
I've been a DX4WIN user for so long I can't remember when I started, 18+ years ago? I've looked at the freebee loggers and found it was a waste of my time to move to another logger. I've looked at the popular for-profit loggers and found that most are so bloated that, again, they are a waste of my time and money. It all depends on what you want your logger to do. I want my logger to track QSOs with a reasonable search capability, to track the major awards and QSLs, and to produce log files that can be uploaded to other services like LoTW and ClubLog. MMTTY built-in is a plus for casual use. WSJT-X isn't on my to-do list. For contesting, I use contest programs specifically designed for contesting. If DX4WIN doesn't meet your needs, move on to something that is a better fit to your needs. I'm comfortable wearing DX4WIN. It fits well and I never have to fight it. Bert N8NN __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Dx4win] DX4WIN Digest, Vol 189, Issue 14
I have tried many of these free programs. They all are loaded with so much junk that is not needed that it takes forever just to figure out how to just log a simple contact. Dx4Win is very simple to use and does a great job of tracking awards. There are also many, many ways to query your log if you want to extract information you need. I have been using Dx4Win for 17 years and I have never found a logging program that comes close to Dx4Win. Hopefully Paul will outlive me. Hi Hi. Plenty bang for the buck. 73 Bruce WD4LBR ---Original Message--- From: Branko Gracin Date: 1/12/2020 10:59:41 AM To: dx4win@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Dx4win] DX4WIN Digest, Vol 189, Issue 14 All of us are witness of very poor upgrade of Dx4Win . For instance implementing MMTTY. OK , Dx4Win is commercial programme but question is "is it enough bangs for buck", especially in time when you can find more then few freeware logbooks with significant improvements. Certainly not. If one day Jim decide to abandon Dw4inx what is future of programme? Just my two cents. PS sorry for my poor english but I believe that you will understand the point. Vy 73 de Branko 9A7YY. ned, 12. sij 2020. u 15:14 napisao je: > Send DX4WIN mailing list submissions to > dx4win@mailman.qth.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > dx4win-requ...@mailman.qth.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > dx4win-ow...@mailman.qth.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of DX4WIN digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Updates (Raymundo Rodriguez) > 2. Re: Updates (ON4AOI) > 3. Re: Updates (Paul GRANGER) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2020 07:59:33 -0600 > From: Raymundo Rodriguez > To: Ricardo Navarrete > Cc: REFLECTOR dx4win > Subject: Re: [Dx4win] Updates > Message-ID: <92dca59f-704a-4179-b2d2-44bf18ed9...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > I agree to Paul, Ricardo, Joe, Hamad, etc. about the FT8 update. It > could be nice to have. > > Raymundo Rodriguez - YS1RR, > Ingeniero Industrial, mba > > Enviado desde mi iPhone X > > > El ene. 11, 2020, a la(s) 5:30 a. m., Ricardo Navarrete < > ricardoea...@gmail.com> escribi?: > > > > ?Totally agree It coul be a great update!!! > > > > > > > > El s?b., 11 ene. 2020 9:28, Hamad 9K2HN <9k...@9k2hn.com> escribi?: > > > >> I totally agree, and i hope to see this new features soon in dx4win > >> > >> de 9K2HN > >> Hamad > >> > >>> On Sat, Jan 11, 2020, 09:12 OZ0J Joe wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi > >>> > >>> I agree to Paul about the issues mentioned below. It could be nice to > >> have > >>> these services implemented. > >>> > >>> 73 Joe, OZ0J > >>> > >>> > >>> -Oprindelig meddelelse- > >>> Fra: dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net > P? > >>> vegne af n...@vci.net > >>> Sendt: 10. januar 2020 00:34 > >>> Til: 'Paul GRANGER' ; 'REFLECTOR dx4win' > >>> > >>> Emne: Re: [Dx4win] Updates > >>> > >>> Paul, I agree that we need direct logging via UDP broadcast with > >>> WSJT-X/JTDX. Especially before the 6 meter E season this summer. > >>> > >>> 73, > >>> > >>> Dave, N4QS > >>> > >>> -Original Message- > >>> From: dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net > On > >>> Behalf Of Paul GRANGER > >>> Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:20 AM > >>> To: REFLECTOR dx4win > >>> Subject: [Dx4win] Updates > >>> > >>> Hi all > >>> To the developper team, > >>> Can we caress the hope of having next release to allow dX4Win to > >>> interoperate with WSJT/JTDX for direct logging, automatic upload to > >>> ClubLog, > >>> automatic/easy procedure to upload/download to/from LoTW. > >>> LoTW/ aand Clublog operation has an application that works well with > >> other > >>> logging f=programs : it is called L32LogSync. Could something > equivalent > >> be > >>> expected ? > >>> > >>> I hope to get an answer, as many users I am sure would love thse to be > >>> imlemented. > >>> > >>> 73 > >>> Paul F6EXV > >>> __ > >>> DX4WIN mailing list > >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win > >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >>> Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net > >>> > >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >>> > >>> __ > >>> DX4WIN mailing list > >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win > >>>
Re: [Dx4win] Updates
Hi Paul, I explain some more, All the programs are starting from WSJT-X (author K1JT) open source and Make different screens etc. BUT they all use the same HAMLIB rigfiles. For instance Yaesu FT-817ND - FT857 - FT897 are not working with these hamlib rigfiles After I complained so many times they finally will look into it deeper. Check WSJT-X webpage also problems Release: WSJT-X 2.1.2 November 26, 2019 - WSJT-X 2.1.2 is a bug fix only release which fixes a major regression in the Hamlib package bundled with WSJT-X v2.1.1. This was for ICOM radio problems Release: WSJT-X 2.1.1 November 25, 2019 - WSJT-X 2.1.1 is a bug fix only release addressing regressions in the prior v2.1.0 release. All new radio's are not direct compatible with these third party hamlib files so can't work either This is my point Paul, when you have a rig that works with these hamlib files it's ok. But when it doesn't work and have to wait until they fix it or make a driver for it You have a problem, If Radio is not connected it can broadcast wrong data to DX4WIN. At this point it's your own mistake and you can correct b4 upload. But If it gets automatically uploaded on LoTW etc some could or will write this garbage is sended out by DX4WIN users .. Guy -Original Message- From: Paul GRANGER Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 3:14 PM To: ON4AOI ; 'REFLECTOR dx4win' Subject: Re: [Dx4win] Updates Hi Guy, Hi all I am not a specialist, but what is the problem when the FT8 (to make it short) programs get the frequency from the rig (therefore is correct), logs it into the adif file that everyboidy knows about, and DX4Win can "eat" that informlation automatically ? I see no room for mistakes... Well, I must admit I see no way how you can make a mistake using ythose programs and call o the wrong period, like several people have done. If yoy doucble-click on the station you want to call, there is no way you can do a mistake,... Anyway, this is another matter... Which other programs do not have the UDP broadcast ? Anyone here using them ? Or just the 3 you mentioned ? If people's logs have mistakes, whether they auto-upload or they upload later, they will both carry the error My 3 cents ! 73 Paul F6EXV Le 12/01/2020 à 14:13, ON4AOI a écrit : > Paul (F6EXV) and others HNY 2020, > Concerning your wish list I have some serious doubts if this be a full > idiot prove upgrade. > With the option "Enable logged contact ADIF broadcast" Paul, I should > write the program"DX4WIN" can listen to the UDP broadcasts when using > the latest versions of WSJT-X - MHSV - JTDX and log that contact. > - But what about WSJT or other programs without this option that users > may use ? > - These programs depend on Hamlib radiofiles and I know 100% sure > there are Rigs that are not supported or give errors all the time. > - In this case you have to disable your rig and use the program like > it is except for fox-hunt it will work ok, but when you change bands > and forget to change to the correct band your log will be incorrect. > That's why I have been always against auto upload to LoTW-eQSL-Clublog > > "IF" Auto upload to LoTW- eQSL - Clublog would be a fact "THEN" it > will create so much garbage and keeping those servers busy all the > time like It is already with eQSL. > Daily I get wrong eQSL's in my inbox, most of the time its wrong band > or mode > > My point is that grabbing broadcasts from the UDP server and log it > would be a nice feature but Never auto upload like some other programs > do and create massive garbage. > > Manually creating LoTW etc uploads doesn't consume that much time and > in case something is wrong With your log you normally will see it b4 > you upload. > > My 2 cents > Guy ON4AOI - OT7K > > > > > -Original Message- > From: dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net > On Behalf Of Paul GRANGER > Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 12:20 PM > To: REFLECTOR dx4win > Subject: [Dx4win] Updates > > Hi all > To the developper team, > Can we caress the hope of having next release to allow dX4Win to > interoperate with WSJT/JTDX for direct logging, automatic upload to > ClubLog, automatic/easy procedure to upload/download to/from LoTW. > LoTW/ aand Clublog operation has an application that works well with > other logging f=programs : it is called L32LogSync. Could something > equivalent be expected ? > > I hope to get an answer, as many users I am sure would love thse to be > imlemented. > > 73 > Paul F6EXV > __ > DX4WIN mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this e
Re: [Dx4win] DX4WIN Digest, Vol 189, Issue 14
All of us are witness of very poor upgrade of Dx4Win . For instance implementing MMTTY. OK , Dx4Win is commercial programme but question is "is it enough bangs for buck", especially in time when you can find more then few freeware logbooks with significant improvements. Certainly not. If one day Jim decide to abandon Dw4inx what is future of programme? Just my two cents. PS sorry for my poor english but I believe that you will understand the point. Vy 73 de Branko 9A7YY. ned, 12. sij 2020. u 15:14 napisao je: > Send DX4WIN mailing list submissions to > dx4win@mailman.qth.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > dx4win-requ...@mailman.qth.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > dx4win-ow...@mailman.qth.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of DX4WIN digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > >1. Re: Updates (Raymundo Rodriguez) >2. Re: Updates (ON4AOI) >3. Re: Updates (Paul GRANGER) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2020 07:59:33 -0600 > From: Raymundo Rodriguez > To: Ricardo Navarrete > Cc: REFLECTOR dx4win > Subject: Re: [Dx4win] Updates > Message-ID: <92dca59f-704a-4179-b2d2-44bf18ed9...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > I agree to Paul, Ricardo, Joe, Hamad, etc. about the FT8 update. It > could be nice to have. > > Raymundo Rodriguez - YS1RR, > Ingeniero Industrial, mba > > Enviado desde mi iPhone X > > > El ene. 11, 2020, a la(s) 5:30 a. m., Ricardo Navarrete < > ricardoea...@gmail.com> escribi?: > > > > ?Totally agree It coul be a great update!!! > > > > > > > > El s?b., 11 ene. 2020 9:28, Hamad 9K2HN <9k...@9k2hn.com> escribi?: > > > >> I totally agree, and i hope to see this new features soon in dx4win > >> > >> de 9K2HN > >> Hamad > >> > >>> On Sat, Jan 11, 2020, 09:12 OZ0J Joe wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi > >>> > >>> I agree to Paul about the issues mentioned below. It could be nice to > >> have > >>> these services implemented. > >>> > >>> 73 Joe, OZ0J > >>> > >>> > >>> -Oprindelig meddelelse- > >>> Fra: dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net > P? > >>> vegne af n...@vci.net > >>> Sendt: 10. januar 2020 00:34 > >>> Til: 'Paul GRANGER' ; 'REFLECTOR dx4win' > >>> > >>> Emne: Re: [Dx4win] Updates > >>> > >>> Paul, I agree that we need direct logging via UDP broadcast with > >>> WSJT-X/JTDX. Especially before the 6 meter E season this summer. > >>> > >>> 73, > >>> > >>> Dave, N4QS > >>> > >>> -Original Message- > >>> From: dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net > On > >>> Behalf Of Paul GRANGER > >>> Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:20 AM > >>> To: REFLECTOR dx4win > >>> Subject: [Dx4win] Updates > >>> > >>> Hi all > >>> To the developper team, > >>> Can we caress the hope of having next release to allow dX4Win to > >>> interoperate with WSJT/JTDX for direct logging, automatic upload to > >>> ClubLog, > >>> automatic/easy procedure to upload/download to/from LoTW. > >>> LoTW/ aand Clublog operation has an application that works well with > >> other > >>> logging f=programs : it is called L32LogSync. Could something > equivalent > >> be > >>> expected ? > >>> > >>> I hope to get an answer, as many users I am sure would love thse to be > >>> imlemented. > >>> > >>> 73 > >>> Paul F6EXV > >>> __ > >>> DX4WIN mailing list > >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win > >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >>> Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net > >>> > >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >>> > >>> __ > >>> DX4WIN mailing list > >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win > >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >>> Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net > >>> > >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >>> > >>> __ > >>> DX4WIN mailing list > >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win > >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >>> Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net > >>> > >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >>> > >> __ > >> DX4WIN mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Dx4win] Updates
Hi Guy, Hi all I am not a specialist, but what is the problem when the FT8 (to make it short) programs get the frequency from the rig (therefore is correct), logs it into the adif file that everyboidy knows about, and DX4Win can "eat" that informlation automatically ? I see no room for mistakes... Well, I must admit I see no way how you can make a mistake using ythose programs and call o the wrong period, like several people have done. If yoy doucble-click on the station you want to call, there is no way you can do a mistake,... Anyway, this is another matter... Which other programs do not have the UDP broadcast ? Anyone here using them ? Or just the 3 you mentioned ? If people's logs have mistakes, whether they auto-upload or they upload later, they will both carry the error My 3 cents ! 73 Paul F6EXV Le 12/01/2020 à 14:13, ON4AOI a écrit : > Paul (F6EXV) and others HNY 2020, > Concerning your wish list I have some serious doubts if this be a full idiot > prove upgrade. > With the option "Enable logged contact ADIF broadcast" Paul, I should write > the program"DX4WIN" can listen > to the UDP broadcasts when using the latest versions of WSJT-X - MHSV - JTDX > and log that contact. > - But what about WSJT or other programs without this option that users may > use ? > - These programs depend on Hamlib radiofiles and I know 100% sure there are > Rigs that are not supported > or give errors all the time. > - In this case you have to disable your rig and use the program like it is > except for fox-hunt it will work ok, > but when you change bands and forget to change to the correct band your log > will be incorrect. > That's why I have been always against auto upload to LoTW-eQSL-Clublog > > "IF" Auto upload to LoTW- eQSL - Clublog would be a fact > "THEN" it will create so much garbage and keeping those servers busy all > the time > like It is already with eQSL. > Daily I get wrong eQSL's in my inbox, most of the time its wrong band or > mode > > My point is that grabbing broadcasts from the UDP server and log it would be > a nice feature > but > Never auto upload like some other programs do and create massive garbage. > > Manually creating LoTW etc uploads doesn't consume that much time and in > case something is wrong > With your log you normally will see it b4 you upload. > > My 2 cents > Guy ON4AOI - OT7K > > > > > -Original Message- > From: dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net On > Behalf Of Paul GRANGER > Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 12:20 PM > To: REFLECTOR dx4win > Subject: [Dx4win] Updates > > Hi all > To the developper team, > Can we caress the hope of having next release to allow dX4Win to > interoperate with WSJT/JTDX for direct logging, automatic upload to ClubLog, > automatic/easy procedure to upload/download to/from LoTW. > LoTW/ aand Clublog operation has an application that works well with other > logging f=programs : it is called L32LogSync. Could something equivalent be > expected ? > > I hope to get an answer, as many users I am sure would love thse to be > imlemented. > > 73 > Paul F6EXV > __ > DX4WIN mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > . __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Dx4win] Updates
Paul (F6EXV) and others HNY 2020, Concerning your wish list I have some serious doubts if this be a full idiot prove upgrade. With the option "Enable logged contact ADIF broadcast" Paul, I should write the program"DX4WIN" can listen to the UDP broadcasts when using the latest versions of WSJT-X - MHSV - JTDX and log that contact. - But what about WSJT or other programs without this option that users may use ? - These programs depend on Hamlib radiofiles and I know 100% sure there are Rigs that are not supported or give errors all the time. - In this case you have to disable your rig and use the program like it is except for fox-hunt it will work ok, but when you change bands and forget to change to the correct band your log will be incorrect. That's why I have been always against auto upload to LoTW-eQSL-Clublog "IF" Auto upload to LoTW- eQSL - Clublog would be a fact "THEN" it will create so much garbage and keeping those servers busy all the time like It is already with eQSL. Daily I get wrong eQSL's in my inbox, most of the time its wrong band or mode My point is that grabbing broadcasts from the UDP server and log it would be a nice feature but Never auto upload like some other programs do and create massive garbage. Manually creating LoTW etc uploads doesn't consume that much time and in case something is wrong With your log you normally will see it b4 you upload. My 2 cents Guy ON4AOI - OT7K -Original Message- From: dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Paul GRANGER Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 12:20 PM To: REFLECTOR dx4win Subject: [Dx4win] Updates Hi all To the developper team, Can we caress the hope of having next release to allow dX4Win to interoperate with WSJT/JTDX for direct logging, automatic upload to ClubLog, automatic/easy procedure to upload/download to/from LoTW. LoTW/ aand Clublog operation has an application that works well with other logging f=programs : it is called L32LogSync. Could something equivalent be expected ? I hope to get an answer, as many users I am sure would love thse to be imlemented. 73 Paul F6EXV __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
