Re: Forums Are Now Live at http://discuss.elastic.co

[Ivan Brusic]

I cannot reply to any posts. I keep getting: Email issue -- Unknown Reply
Key

Any status on the existing issues?

Cheers,

Ivan
On May 12, 2015 5:47 PM, "Leslie Hawthorn" 
wrote:

> It is entirely possible some of these items can be fixed. Investigating.
>
> Thank you for the candid feedback, Doug, Ivan and Jörg.
>
> Cheers,
> LH
>
> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 10:24 PM, joergpra...@gmail.com <
> joergpra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> +1 for Doug and Ivan
>>
>> I'd also like to find the real names (which are available at Discuss
>> because they are shown in the profile of a user) being added to the message
>> view and the mail "From" header, for a more personal communication style.
>> It would be easier to begin a reply with a greeting then.
>>
>> Hopefully this is received as a constructive feedback and not as moaning
>> about Discuss software.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Jörg
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 12:03 AM, Doug Turnbull <
>> dturnb...@opensourceconnections.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Oh! I didn't see that. Thank you. I will look again.
>>>
>>> Yeah I actually like many things about discourse. I also like many of
>>> the low friction aspects of a mailing list. I am worried my email
>>> sounds too negative. I should list positives like great markdown support
>>> and much prettier and more legible emails. Discourse is phenomenal forum
>>> software. I honestly hope they can really bridge the gap effortlessly to
>>> have as part of their capabilities truly effortless implementation of a dev
>>> mailing list with an optional forum view.
>>>
>>> I'm sure I'll be using discourse to great effect (and it seems to be
>>> being used). So I could be completly wrong about all my points. :)
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 10, 2015, Ivan Brusic  wrote:
>>>
 I should have added something similar to what does expressed in his
 last paragraph. My feedback was meant to be constructive. Despite this
 being a technical mailing list, I still appreciate a more personal touch.

 BTW, Doug, you can watch specific categories. There is a general
 watch-all setting that you might have turned on.

 Ivan
 On May 10, 2015 2:37 PM, "Doug Turnbull" <
 dturnb...@opensourceconnections.com> wrote:

> I agree.
>
> While I appreciate the experimentation, I hope discourse can get to a
> point where I can forget it's even a forum. Whereby everything can just
> truly feel like a native mailing list with a great deal less friction, but
> it's not there yet.
>
> Here's some of the missing features:
>
> - a signup process that's more an email subscription (just paste in an
> email address) without having to create any kind of forum account or
> profile.
>
> - the ability to reply to someone individually to their email address.
> The ability for others to email me directly without discourses PM feature.
>
> - It needs the ability to subscribe per topic. Things are a bit noisy
> right now (ie I'm not interested in log stash)
>
> - eliminate "noreply" in the email notifications. I don't feel like I
> should participate via email when I see this. Give it a friendly name.
>
> Right now use via email feels second class. But I think it's the most
> important thing. I'm likely to scan my low priority inbox where mailing
> list emails are sent. I'm going to struggle to remember to check in on and
> participate in a forum to help folks. It's another place to go and all my
> other OSS mailing lists come to my email and I can work with them
> seemlessly. So I'm likely to forget to check or possibly not want to 
> bother
> with elastic which uses a different system.
>
> Yes, I do get the notifications, but it doesn't quite feel the same as
> a mailing list for the reasons above. It feels like a notification from
> another system.
>
> Anyway long and frank email. Forgive the bluntness. I just wanted to
> express hopefully useful feedback. I do appreciate the thoughtfulness
> here. I know elastic and discourse folks are very smart. Email truly can
> become a first class experience and keep some of the great things about
> discourse.
>
> Cheers!
> Doug
>
> On Sunday, May 10, 2015, Ivan Brusic  wrote:
>
>> I really do not care for the new mailing list.
>>
>> First of all, I can no longer see real names and email addresses. All
>> I see is whatever nonsensical handle someone choose on sign up. Searching
>> for Adrien no longer returns his latest posts.
>>
>> Second, since every email comes from nore...@discuss.elastic.co, I
>> can no longer see who replied to a thread. All I see is the handle of the
>> original poster. I can see the reply counts, but have no idea who the
>> replies are from.
>>
>> Add both of these issues together, and the list has now become very
>> impersonal.
>>
>> Cheers,

Re: Forums Are Now Live at http://discuss.elastic.co

[Leslie Hawthorn]

Apologies, I just saw this message. Are you still having access issues?

Also, it is much faster to report trouble in #elasticsearch on Freenode if
you are an IRC user. :)

On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 4:55 AM,  wrote:

>
> Can not visit https://discuss.elastic.co/ today.
>
> The website is loading all the time.
>
>
> 在 2015年5月5日星期二 UTC+8上午12:12:19，leslie.hawthorn写道：
>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> We took in feedback on moving to a Discourse based forum for about a
>> month, and it sounds like most of the folks who thought it might not be
>> optimal were people who preferred to interact with mailing lists instead of
>> forums.
>>
>> We're pretty confident the email functionality of Discourse will work
>> well for our community, so we've gone ahead and rolled out the forums. You
>> can visit them now and sign up for a user account at
>> http://discuss.elastic.co. Registration is one time only and you can do
>> so with any email address or authorizing via Facebook, GitHub, Google
>> Accounts or Twitter.
>>
>> Once you've created your account, you can set up your preferences to
>> receive email as often or as rarely as you would like.
>>
>> For those who'd prefer to interact solely via email, you can start doing
>> so as soon as you've set these preferences. You can find full documentation
>> on interacting with the forums solely via email here.[0]
>>
>> Some anticipated FAQs:
>>
>> 1) Should I ask for help using the forums on this mailing list?
>> You're welcome to ask for help on this list, on IRC (#elasticsearch,
>> #logstash or #kibana on Freenode) or within the forum in the Meta Elastic
>> category.
>>
>> 2) Are you going to stop answering questions here?
>> No, we're going to leave the mailing list active for at least 30 days so
>> our entire community can kick the tires. Quoting our internal company FAQ
>> for this very question:
>> "If our community members find Discourse to be suboptimal, we may make
>> the choice to use the forums only for certain tasks and preserve the
>> existing mailing lists."
>>
>> However, our goal is to provide a single source of truth for information
>> on our products, so we're hoping the Discourse based forums really work for
>> people. Our employees will be answering your questions with a pointer to a
>> forum thread to encourage people to actually interact with the new
>> resource, too.
>>
>> 3) So let's say that the forums work for people. What's the plan?
>> We'll set these mailing lists to read-only ~30 days from now (June 1,
>> 2015). We're still working with the creators of Discourse to do a full
>> import of our mailing list archives, so once that task is complete the
>> read-only archives will still be preserved, but you can search through all
>> that collective knowledge in one place at http://discuss.elastic.co
>>
>> 4) Is there an FAQ for using the forums?
>> We feel like the user interface for Discourse is pretty intuitive, but we
>> have a short Notes on Using This Forum document [1] available to help you
>> get started.
>>
>> 5) Where do I direct praise and pain points for the forums?
>> Feedback on the forums should be posted to the Meta Elastic category. [2]
>> You can update it via email using address discuss-meta [at] elastic [dot]
>> co once you've set up your user account.
>>
>> 6) I have another question that you have not answered. What should I do?
>> Please post a note in the Meta Elastic category, ping in IRC (I'm lh on
>> Freenode, though anyone with ChanOps/Voice in #elasticsearch, #logstash and
>> #kibana can help) or post a note in this thread.
>>
>>
>> [0] -
>> https://discuss.elastic.co/t/email-only-interaction-with-the-forums/106
>> [1] - https://discuss.elastic.co/t/notes-on-using-these-forums/118
>> [2] - https://discuss.elastic.co/c/meta
>>
>> Cheers,
>> LH
>>
>> Leslie Hawthorn
>> Director of Developer Relations
>> http://elastic.co
>>
>> Other Places to Find Me:
>> Freenode: lh
>> Twitter: @lhawthorn
>>
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Re: Forums Are Now Live at http://discuss.elastic.co

[xinmeike]

Can not visit https://discuss.elastic.co/ today. 

The website is loading all the time.


在 2015年5月5日星期二 UTC+8上午12:12:19，leslie.hawthorn写道：
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> We took in feedback on moving to a Discourse based forum for about a 
> month, and it sounds like most of the folks who thought it might not be 
> optimal were people who preferred to interact with mailing lists instead of 
> forums.
>
> We're pretty confident the email functionality of Discourse will work well 
> for our community, so we've gone ahead and rolled out the forums. You can 
> visit them now and sign up for a user account at http://discuss.elastic.co. 
> Registration is one time only and you can do so with any email address or 
> authorizing via Facebook, GitHub, Google Accounts or Twitter.
>
> Once you've created your account, you can set up your preferences to 
> receive email as often or as rarely as you would like.
>
> For those who'd prefer to interact solely via email, you can start doing 
> so as soon as you've set these preferences. You can find full documentation 
> on interacting with the forums solely via email here.[0]
>
> Some anticipated FAQs:
>
> 1) Should I ask for help using the forums on this mailing list?
> You're welcome to ask for help on this list, on IRC (#elasticsearch, 
> #logstash or #kibana on Freenode) or within the forum in the Meta Elastic 
> category.  
>
> 2) Are you going to stop answering questions here?
> No, we're going to leave the mailing list active for at least 30 days so 
> our entire community can kick the tires. Quoting our internal company FAQ 
> for this very question:
> "If our community members find Discourse to be suboptimal, we may make 
> the choice to use the forums only for certain tasks and preserve the 
> existing mailing lists."
>
> However, our goal is to provide a single source of truth for information 
> on our products, so we're hoping the Discourse based forums really work for 
> people. Our employees will be answering your questions with a pointer to a 
> forum thread to encourage people to actually interact with the new 
> resource, too.
>
> 3) So let's say that the forums work for people. What's the plan?
> We'll set these mailing lists to read-only ~30 days from now (June 1, 
> 2015). We're still working with the creators of Discourse to do a full 
> import of our mailing list archives, so once that task is complete the 
> read-only archives will still be preserved, but you can search through all 
> that collective knowledge in one place at http://discuss.elastic.co 
>
> 4) Is there an FAQ for using the forums?
> We feel like the user interface for Discourse is pretty intuitive, but we 
> have a short Notes on Using This Forum document [1] available to help you 
> get started.
>
> 5) Where do I direct praise and pain points for the forums?
> Feedback on the forums should be posted to the Meta Elastic category. [2] 
> You can update it via email using address discuss-meta [at] elastic [dot] 
> co once you've set up your user account. 
>
> 6) I have another question that you have not answered. What should I do?
> Please post a note in the Meta Elastic category, ping in IRC (I'm lh on 
> Freenode, though anyone with ChanOps/Voice in #elasticsearch, #logstash and 
> #kibana can help) or post a note in this thread.
>
>
> [0] - 
> https://discuss.elastic.co/t/email-only-interaction-with-the-forums/106
> [1] - https://discuss.elastic.co/t/notes-on-using-these-forums/118
> [2] - https://discuss.elastic.co/c/meta
>
> Cheers,
> LH
>
> Leslie Hawthorn
> Director of Developer Relations
> http://elastic.co
>
> Other Places to Find Me:
> Freenode: lh
> Twitter: @lhawthorn
>

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Re: Forums Are Now Live at http://discuss.elastic.co

[Leslie Hawthorn]

It is entirely possible some of these items can be fixed. Investigating.

Thank you for the candid feedback, Doug, Ivan and Jörg.

Cheers,
LH

On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 10:24 PM, joergpra...@gmail.com <
joergpra...@gmail.com> wrote:

> +1 for Doug and Ivan
>
> I'd also like to find the real names (which are available at Discuss
> because they are shown in the profile of a user) being added to the message
> view and the mail "From" header, for a more personal communication style.
> It would be easier to begin a reply with a greeting then.
>
> Hopefully this is received as a constructive feedback and not as moaning
> about Discuss software.
>
> Best,
>
> Jörg
>
>
> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 12:03 AM, Doug Turnbull <
> dturnb...@opensourceconnections.com> wrote:
>
>> Oh! I didn't see that. Thank you. I will look again.
>>
>> Yeah I actually like many things about discourse. I also like many of the
>> low friction aspects of a mailing list. I am worried my email sounds too
>> negative. I should list positives like great markdown support and much
>> prettier and more legible emails. Discourse is phenomenal forum software. I
>> honestly hope they can really bridge the gap effortlessly to have as part
>> of their capabilities truly effortless implementation of a dev mailing list
>> with an optional forum view.
>>
>> I'm sure I'll be using discourse to great effect (and it seems to be
>> being used). So I could be completly wrong about all my points. :)
>>
>> Doug
>>
>> On Sunday, May 10, 2015, Ivan Brusic  wrote:
>>
>>> I should have added something similar to what does expressed in his last
>>> paragraph. My feedback was meant to be constructive. Despite this being a
>>> technical mailing list, I still appreciate a more personal touch.
>>>
>>> BTW, Doug, you can watch specific categories. There is a general
>>> watch-all setting that you might have turned on.
>>>
>>> Ivan
>>> On May 10, 2015 2:37 PM, "Doug Turnbull" <
>>> dturnb...@opensourceconnections.com> wrote:
>>>
 I agree.

 While I appreciate the experimentation, I hope discourse can get to a
 point where I can forget it's even a forum. Whereby everything can just
 truly feel like a native mailing list with a great deal less friction, but
 it's not there yet.

 Here's some of the missing features:

 - a signup process that's more an email subscription (just paste in an
 email address) without having to create any kind of forum account or
 profile.

 - the ability to reply to someone individually to their email address.
 The ability for others to email me directly without discourses PM feature.

 - It needs the ability to subscribe per topic. Things are a bit noisy
 right now (ie I'm not interested in log stash)

 - eliminate "noreply" in the email notifications. I don't feel like I
 should participate via email when I see this. Give it a friendly name.

 Right now use via email feels second class. But I think it's the most
 important thing. I'm likely to scan my low priority inbox where mailing
 list emails are sent. I'm going to struggle to remember to check in on and
 participate in a forum to help folks. It's another place to go and all my
 other OSS mailing lists come to my email and I can work with them
 seemlessly. So I'm likely to forget to check or possibly not want to bother
 with elastic which uses a different system.

 Yes, I do get the notifications, but it doesn't quite feel the same as
 a mailing list for the reasons above. It feels like a notification from
 another system.

 Anyway long and frank email. Forgive the bluntness. I just wanted to
 express hopefully useful feedback. I do appreciate the thoughtfulness
 here. I know elastic and discourse folks are very smart. Email truly can
 become a first class experience and keep some of the great things about
 discourse.

 Cheers!
 Doug

 On Sunday, May 10, 2015, Ivan Brusic  wrote:

> I really do not care for the new mailing list.
>
> First of all, I can no longer see real names and email addresses. All
> I see is whatever nonsensical handle someone choose on sign up. Searching
> for Adrien no longer returns his latest posts.
>
> Second, since every email comes from nore...@discuss.elastic.co, I
> can no longer see who replied to a thread. All I see is the handle of the
> original poster. I can see the reply counts, but have no idea who the
> replies are from.
>
> Add both of these issues together, and the list has now become very
> impersonal.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ivan
>  On May 5, 2015 10:49 AM, "Leslie Hawthorn" <
> leslie.hawth...@elastic.co> wrote:
>
>> Sadly, we cannot twibble bit to allow certain types of links but not
>> others.
>>
>> However, we can adjust the forum settings to allow users to include
>> links in their

Re: Forums Are Now Live at http://discuss.elastic.co

[joergpra...@gmail.com]

+1 for Doug and Ivan

I'd also like to find the real names (which are available at Discuss
because they are shown in the profile of a user) being added to the message
view and the mail "From" header, for a more personal communication style.
It would be easier to begin a reply with a greeting then.

Hopefully this is received as a constructive feedback and not as moaning
about Discuss software.

Best,

Jörg


On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 12:03 AM, Doug Turnbull <
dturnb...@opensourceconnections.com> wrote:

> Oh! I didn't see that. Thank you. I will look again.
>
> Yeah I actually like many things about discourse. I also like many of the
> low friction aspects of a mailing list. I am worried my email sounds too
> negative. I should list positives like great markdown support and much
> prettier and more legible emails. Discourse is phenomenal forum software. I
> honestly hope they can really bridge the gap effortlessly to have as part
> of their capabilities truly effortless implementation of a dev mailing list
> with an optional forum view.
>
> I'm sure I'll be using discourse to great effect (and it seems to be being
> used). So I could be completly wrong about all my points. :)
>
> Doug
>
> On Sunday, May 10, 2015, Ivan Brusic  wrote:
>
>> I should have added something similar to what does expressed in his last
>> paragraph. My feedback was meant to be constructive. Despite this being a
>> technical mailing list, I still appreciate a more personal touch.
>>
>> BTW, Doug, you can watch specific categories. There is a general
>> watch-all setting that you might have turned on.
>>
>> Ivan
>> On May 10, 2015 2:37 PM, "Doug Turnbull" <
>> dturnb...@opensourceconnections.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I agree.
>>>
>>> While I appreciate the experimentation, I hope discourse can get to a
>>> point where I can forget it's even a forum. Whereby everything can just
>>> truly feel like a native mailing list with a great deal less friction, but
>>> it's not there yet.
>>>
>>> Here's some of the missing features:
>>>
>>> - a signup process that's more an email subscription (just paste in an
>>> email address) without having to create any kind of forum account or
>>> profile.
>>>
>>> - the ability to reply to someone individually to their email address.
>>> The ability for others to email me directly without discourses PM feature.
>>>
>>> - It needs the ability to subscribe per topic. Things are a bit noisy
>>> right now (ie I'm not interested in log stash)
>>>
>>> - eliminate "noreply" in the email notifications. I don't feel like I
>>> should participate via email when I see this. Give it a friendly name.
>>>
>>> Right now use via email feels second class. But I think it's the most
>>> important thing. I'm likely to scan my low priority inbox where mailing
>>> list emails are sent. I'm going to struggle to remember to check in on and
>>> participate in a forum to help folks. It's another place to go and all my
>>> other OSS mailing lists come to my email and I can work with them
>>> seemlessly. So I'm likely to forget to check or possibly not want to bother
>>> with elastic which uses a different system.
>>>
>>> Yes, I do get the notifications, but it doesn't quite feel the same as a
>>> mailing list for the reasons above. It feels like a notification from
>>> another system.
>>>
>>> Anyway long and frank email. Forgive the bluntness. I just wanted to
>>> express hopefully useful feedback. I do appreciate the thoughtfulness
>>> here. I know elastic and discourse folks are very smart. Email truly can
>>> become a first class experience and keep some of the great things about
>>> discourse.
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 10, 2015, Ivan Brusic  wrote:
>>>
 I really do not care for the new mailing list.

 First of all, I can no longer see real names and email addresses. All I
 see is whatever nonsensical handle someone choose on sign up. Searching for
 Adrien no longer returns his latest posts.

 Second, since every email comes from nore...@discuss.elastic.co, I can
 no longer see who replied to a thread. All I see is the handle of the
 original poster. I can see the reply counts, but have no idea who the
 replies are from.

 Add both of these issues together, and the list has now become very
 impersonal.

 Cheers,

 Ivan
  On May 5, 2015 10:49 AM, "Leslie Hawthorn" 
 wrote:

> Sadly, we cannot twibble bit to allow certain types of links but not
> others.
>
> However, we can adjust the forum settings to allow users to include
> links in their posts from the start of using the forum. I've done so. Let
> us know if you have any further issues.
>
> And, to reiterate what Tyler said earlier, it would be super awesome
> to put this feedback in the Meta Elastic category.[0]
>
> Why you may ask?
>
> 1) Employees from Discourse are keeping an eye on our forum to help us
> help you have a good ex

Re: Forums Are Now Live at http://discuss.elastic.co

[Doug Turnbull]

Oh! I didn't see that. Thank you. I will look again.

Yeah I actually like many things about discourse. I also like many of the
low friction aspects of a mailing list. I am worried my email sounds too
negative. I should list positives like great markdown support and much
prettier and more legible emails. Discourse is phenomenal forum software. I
honestly hope they can really bridge the gap effortlessly to have as part
of their capabilities truly effortless implementation of a dev mailing list
with an optional forum view.

I'm sure I'll be using discourse to great effect (and it seems to be being
used). So I could be completly wrong about all my points. :)

Doug

On Sunday, May 10, 2015, Ivan Brusic  wrote:

> I should have added something similar to what does expressed in his last
> paragraph. My feedback was meant to be constructive. Despite this being a
> technical mailing list, I still appreciate a more personal touch.
>
> BTW, Doug, you can watch specific categories. There is a general watch-all
> setting that you might have turned on.
>
> Ivan
> On May 10, 2015 2:37 PM, "Doug Turnbull" <
> dturnb...@opensourceconnections.com
> >
> wrote:
>
>> I agree.
>>
>> While I appreciate the experimentation, I hope discourse can get to a
>> point where I can forget it's even a forum. Whereby everything can just
>> truly feel like a native mailing list with a great deal less friction, but
>> it's not there yet.
>>
>> Here's some of the missing features:
>>
>> - a signup process that's more an email subscription (just paste in an
>> email address) without having to create any kind of forum account or
>> profile.
>>
>> - the ability to reply to someone individually to their email address.
>> The ability for others to email me directly without discourses PM feature.
>>
>> - It needs the ability to subscribe per topic. Things are a bit noisy
>> right now (ie I'm not interested in log stash)
>>
>> - eliminate "noreply" in the email notifications. I don't feel like I
>> should participate via email when I see this. Give it a friendly name.
>>
>> Right now use via email feels second class. But I think it's the most
>> important thing. I'm likely to scan my low priority inbox where mailing
>> list emails are sent. I'm going to struggle to remember to check in on and
>> participate in a forum to help folks. It's another place to go and all my
>> other OSS mailing lists come to my email and I can work with them
>> seemlessly. So I'm likely to forget to check or possibly not want to bother
>> with elastic which uses a different system.
>>
>> Yes, I do get the notifications, but it doesn't quite feel the same as a
>> mailing list for the reasons above. It feels like a notification from
>> another system.
>>
>> Anyway long and frank email. Forgive the bluntness. I just wanted to
>> express hopefully useful feedback. I do appreciate the thoughtfulness
>> here. I know elastic and discourse folks are very smart. Email truly can
>> become a first class experience and keep some of the great things about
>> discourse.
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Doug
>>
>> On Sunday, May 10, 2015, Ivan Brusic > > wrote:
>>
>>> I really do not care for the new mailing list.
>>>
>>> First of all, I can no longer see real names and email addresses. All I
>>> see is whatever nonsensical handle someone choose on sign up. Searching for
>>> Adrien no longer returns his latest posts.
>>>
>>> Second, since every email comes from nore...@discuss.elastic.co, I can
>>> no longer see who replied to a thread. All I see is the handle of the
>>> original poster. I can see the reply counts, but have no idea who the
>>> replies are from.
>>>
>>> Add both of these issues together, and the list has now become very
>>> impersonal.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Ivan
>>>  On May 5, 2015 10:49 AM, "Leslie Hawthorn" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Sadly, we cannot twibble bit to allow certain types of links but not
 others.

 However, we can adjust the forum settings to allow users to include
 links in their posts from the start of using the forum. I've done so. Let
 us know if you have any further issues.

 And, to reiterate what Tyler said earlier, it would be super awesome to
 put this feedback in the Meta Elastic category.[0]

 Why you may ask?

 1) Employees from Discourse are keeping an eye on our forum to help us
 help you have a good experience. They're not reading this list, though.

 2) Trying for the single source of truth mentioned in my original post.

 Thank you to everyone for the great feedback so far!

 [0] - https://discuss.elastic.co/c/meta or via email discuss+meta [at]
 elastic [dot] co

 Cheers,
 LH

 On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 12:57 AM, Nikolas Everett 
 wrote:

> I think github and pastebins/gists shouldn't be considered against the
> limit. We ask people to use gist all the time and github issue or code
> links are a good thing to use as well.
> On May 4, 201

Re: Forums Are Now Live at http://discuss.elastic.co

[Ivan Brusic]

I should have added something similar to what does expressed in his last
paragraph. My feedback was meant to be constructive. Despite this being a
technical mailing list, I still appreciate a more personal touch.

BTW, Doug, you can watch specific categories. There is a general watch-all
setting that you might have turned on.

Ivan
On May 10, 2015 2:37 PM, "Doug Turnbull" <
dturnb...@opensourceconnections.com> wrote:

> I agree.
>
> While I appreciate the experimentation, I hope discourse can get to a
> point where I can forget it's even a forum. Whereby everything can just
> truly feel like a native mailing list with a great deal less friction, but
> it's not there yet.
>
> Here's some of the missing features:
>
> - a signup process that's more an email subscription (just paste in an
> email address) without having to create any kind of forum account or
> profile.
>
> - the ability to reply to someone individually to their email address. The
> ability for others to email me directly without discourses PM feature.
>
> - It needs the ability to subscribe per topic. Things are a bit noisy
> right now (ie I'm not interested in log stash)
>
> - eliminate "noreply" in the email notifications. I don't feel like I
> should participate via email when I see this. Give it a friendly name.
>
> Right now use via email feels second class. But I think it's the most
> important thing. I'm likely to scan my low priority inbox where mailing
> list emails are sent. I'm going to struggle to remember to check in on and
> participate in a forum to help folks. It's another place to go and all my
> other OSS mailing lists come to my email and I can work with them
> seemlessly. So I'm likely to forget to check or possibly not want to bother
> with elastic which uses a different system.
>
> Yes, I do get the notifications, but it doesn't quite feel the same as a
> mailing list for the reasons above. It feels like a notification from
> another system.
>
> Anyway long and frank email. Forgive the bluntness. I just wanted to
> express hopefully useful feedback. I do appreciate the thoughtfulness
> here. I know elastic and discourse folks are very smart. Email truly can
> become a first class experience and keep some of the great things about
> discourse.
>
> Cheers!
> Doug
>
> On Sunday, May 10, 2015, Ivan Brusic  wrote:
>
>> I really do not care for the new mailing list.
>>
>> First of all, I can no longer see real names and email addresses. All I
>> see is whatever nonsensical handle someone choose on sign up. Searching for
>> Adrien no longer returns his latest posts.
>>
>> Second, since every email comes from nore...@discuss.elastic.co, I can
>> no longer see who replied to a thread. All I see is the handle of the
>> original poster. I can see the reply counts, but have no idea who the
>> replies are from.
>>
>> Add both of these issues together, and the list has now become very
>> impersonal.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Ivan
>>  On May 5, 2015 10:49 AM, "Leslie Hawthorn" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sadly, we cannot twibble bit to allow certain types of links but not
>>> others.
>>>
>>> However, we can adjust the forum settings to allow users to include
>>> links in their posts from the start of using the forum. I've done so. Let
>>> us know if you have any further issues.
>>>
>>> And, to reiterate what Tyler said earlier, it would be super awesome to
>>> put this feedback in the Meta Elastic category.[0]
>>>
>>> Why you may ask?
>>>
>>> 1) Employees from Discourse are keeping an eye on our forum to help us
>>> help you have a good experience. They're not reading this list, though.
>>>
>>> 2) Trying for the single source of truth mentioned in my original post.
>>>
>>> Thank you to everyone for the great feedback so far!
>>>
>>> [0] - https://discuss.elastic.co/c/meta or via email discuss+meta [at]
>>> elastic [dot] co
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> LH
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 12:57 AM, Nikolas Everett 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I think github and pastebins/gists shouldn't be considered against the
 limit. We ask people to use gist all the time and github issue or code
 links are a good thing to use as well.
 On May 4, 2015 5:40 PM, "joergpra...@gmail.com" 
 wrote:

> Thanks Shaunak,
>
> I appreciate that. I think it would be more than welcome to let others
> of the community also take the advantage of including Github issues into
> the forum software which contain numerous links:
>
> https://discuss.elastic.co/t/link-level-in-a-post/151
>
> Best,
>
> Jörg
>
>
> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 11:05 PM,  wrote:
>
>> Hey Jörg,
>>
>> I've removed this restriction from your account. You should be able
>> to post more than 2 links in a post now :)
>>
>> Shaunak
>>
>> On Monday, May 4, 2015 at 2:07:14 PM UTC-5, Jörg Prante wrote:
>>>
>>> It does not work. I can not post messages with links.
>>>
>>> After I try to post a new topic such as
>>>
>

Re: Forums Are Now Live at http://discuss.elastic.co

[Doug Turnbull]

I agree.

While I appreciate the experimentation, I hope discourse can get to a point
where I can forget it's even a forum. Whereby everything can just truly
feel like a native mailing list with a great deal less friction, but it's
not there yet.

Here's some of the missing features:

- a signup process that's more an email subscription (just paste in an
email address) without having to create any kind of forum account or
profile.

- the ability to reply to someone individually to their email address. The
ability for others to email me directly without discourses PM feature.

- It needs the ability to subscribe per topic. Things are a bit noisy right
now (ie I'm not interested in log stash)

- eliminate "noreply" in the email notifications. I don't feel like I
should participate via email when I see this. Give it a friendly name.

Right now use via email feels second class. But I think it's the most
important thing. I'm likely to scan my low priority inbox where mailing
list emails are sent. I'm going to struggle to remember to check in on and
participate in a forum to help folks. It's another place to go and all my
other OSS mailing lists come to my email and I can work with them
seemlessly. So I'm likely to forget to check or possibly not want to bother
with elastic which uses a different system.

Yes, I do get the notifications, but it doesn't quite feel the same as a
mailing list for the reasons above. It feels like a notification from
another system.

Anyway long and frank email. Forgive the bluntness. I just wanted to
express hopefully useful feedback. I do appreciate the thoughtfulness
here. I know elastic and discourse folks are very smart. Email truly can
become a first class experience and keep some of the great things about
discourse.

Cheers!
Doug

On Sunday, May 10, 2015, Ivan Brusic  wrote:

> I really do not care for the new mailing list.
>
> First of all, I can no longer see real names and email addresses. All I
> see is whatever nonsensical handle someone choose on sign up. Searching for
> Adrien no longer returns his latest posts.
>
> Second, since every email comes from nore...@discuss.elastic.co
> , I can no
> longer see who replied to a thread. All I see is the handle of the original
> poster. I can see the reply counts, but have no idea who the replies are
> from.
>
> Add both of these issues together, and the list has now become very
> impersonal.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ivan
>  On May 5, 2015 10:49 AM, "Leslie Hawthorn"  > wrote:
>
>> Sadly, we cannot twibble bit to allow certain types of links but not
>> others.
>>
>> However, we can adjust the forum settings to allow users to include links
>> in their posts from the start of using the forum. I've done so. Let us know
>> if you have any further issues.
>>
>> And, to reiterate what Tyler said earlier, it would be super awesome to
>> put this feedback in the Meta Elastic category.[0]
>>
>> Why you may ask?
>>
>> 1) Employees from Discourse are keeping an eye on our forum to help us
>> help you have a good experience. They're not reading this list, though.
>>
>> 2) Trying for the single source of truth mentioned in my original post.
>>
>> Thank you to everyone for the great feedback so far!
>>
>> [0] - https://discuss.elastic.co/c/meta or via email discuss+meta [at]
>> elastic [dot] co
>>
>> Cheers,
>> LH
>>
>> On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 12:57 AM, Nikolas Everett > > wrote:
>>
>>> I think github and pastebins/gists shouldn't be considered against the
>>> limit. We ask people to use gist all the time and github issue or code
>>> links are a good thing to use as well.
>>> On May 4, 2015 5:40 PM, "joergpra...@gmail.com
>>> " <
>>> joergpra...@gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Shaunak,

 I appreciate that. I think it would be more than welcome to let others
 of the community also take the advantage of including Github issues into
 the forum software which contain numerous links:

 https://discuss.elastic.co/t/link-level-in-a-post/151

 Best,

 Jörg


 On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 11:05 PM, >>> > wrote:

> Hey Jörg,
>
> I've removed this restriction from your account. You should be able to
> post more than 2 links in a post now :)
>
> Shaunak
>
> On Monday, May 4, 2015 at 2:07:14 PM UTC-5, Jörg Prante wrote:
>>
>> It does not work. I can not post messages with links.
>>
>> After I try to post a new topic such as
>>
>> - snip
>> To all of you who want to sneak at the features planned for ES 2.0,
>> this issue collects some of it
>>
>> https://github.com/elastic/elasticsearch/issues/9970
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Jörg
>> snip
>>
>> I receive a denial
>>
>> "Sorry, new users can only put 2 links in a post."
>>
>> Beside the fact I included just one link, why this restriction? A bit
>> sad that I am considered a new user after five years happily using ES but
>> the machin

Re: Forums Are Now Live at http://discuss.elastic.co

[Ivan Brusic]

I really do not care for the new mailing list.

First of all, I can no longer see real names and email addresses. All I see
is whatever nonsensical handle someone choose on sign up. Searching for
Adrien no longer returns his latest posts.

Second, since every email comes from nore...@discuss.elastic.co, I can no
longer see who replied to a thread. All I see is the handle of the original
poster. I can see the reply counts, but have no idea who the replies are
from.

Add both of these issues together, and the list has now become very
impersonal.

Cheers,

Ivan
 On May 5, 2015 10:49 AM, "Leslie Hawthorn" 
wrote:

> Sadly, we cannot twibble bit to allow certain types of links but not
> others.
>
> However, we can adjust the forum settings to allow users to include links
> in their posts from the start of using the forum. I've done so. Let us know
> if you have any further issues.
>
> And, to reiterate what Tyler said earlier, it would be super awesome to
> put this feedback in the Meta Elastic category.[0]
>
> Why you may ask?
>
> 1) Employees from Discourse are keeping an eye on our forum to help us
> help you have a good experience. They're not reading this list, though.
>
> 2) Trying for the single source of truth mentioned in my original post.
>
> Thank you to everyone for the great feedback so far!
>
> [0] - https://discuss.elastic.co/c/meta or via email discuss+meta [at]
> elastic [dot] co
>
> Cheers,
> LH
>
> On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 12:57 AM, Nikolas Everett 
> wrote:
>
>> I think github and pastebins/gists shouldn't be considered against the
>> limit. We ask people to use gist all the time and github issue or code
>> links are a good thing to use as well.
>> On May 4, 2015 5:40 PM, "joergpra...@gmail.com" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Shaunak,
>>>
>>> I appreciate that. I think it would be more than welcome to let others
>>> of the community also take the advantage of including Github issues into
>>> the forum software which contain numerous links:
>>>
>>> https://discuss.elastic.co/t/link-level-in-a-post/151
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Jörg
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 11:05 PM,  wrote:
>>>
 Hey Jörg,

 I've removed this restriction from your account. You should be able to
 post more than 2 links in a post now :)

 Shaunak

 On Monday, May 4, 2015 at 2:07:14 PM UTC-5, Jörg Prante wrote:
>
> It does not work. I can not post messages with links.
>
> After I try to post a new topic such as
>
> - snip
> To all of you who want to sneak at the features planned for ES 2.0,
> this issue collects some of it
>
> https://github.com/elastic/elasticsearch/issues/9970
>
> Best,
>
> Jörg
> snip
>
> I receive a denial
>
> "Sorry, new users can only put 2 links in a post."
>
> Beside the fact I included just one link, why this restriction? A bit
> sad that I am considered a new user after five years happily using ES but
> the machine is always right in the end ;)
>
> Jörg
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:58 PM, Leslie Hawthorn  > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Nikolas Everett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I suspect its read only while they sort out resourcing issues. Cache
>>> hit rate is likely quite high while readonly.
>>> On May 4, 2015 12:38 PM, Jürgen Wagner (DVT) <
>>> juergen...@devoteam.com> wrote:
>>>
 The site is read-only. No signups possible. Hmm...

>>>
>> Our friends at Discourse have reported that the site outage has been
>> resolved. They'll keep up with updates via their Twitter account:
>>
>> https://twitter.com/discourse/status/595268564493279232
>>
>> In the meantime, please go forth and use the forums. If they fall
>> over again we will work to ensure speedy resolution.
>>
>> Thanks for your patience, folks.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> LH
>>
>> --
>> Leslie Hawthorn
>> Director of Developer Relations
>> http://elastic.co
>>
>> Other Places to Find Me:
>> Freenode: lh
>> Twitter: @lhawthorn
>>
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Re: Forums Are Now Live at http://discuss.elastic.co

[Leslie Hawthorn]

Sadly, we cannot twibble bit to allow certain types of links but not others.

However, we can adjust the forum settings to allow users to include links
in their posts from the start of using the forum. I've done so. Let us know
if you have any further issues.

And, to reiterate what Tyler said earlier, it would be super awesome to put
this feedback in the Meta Elastic category.[0]

Why you may ask?

1) Employees from Discourse are keeping an eye on our forum to help us help
you have a good experience. They're not reading this list, though.

2) Trying for the single source of truth mentioned in my original post.

Thank you to everyone for the great feedback so far!

[0] - https://discuss.elastic.co/c/meta or via email discuss+meta [at]
elastic [dot] co

Cheers,
LH

On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 12:57 AM, Nikolas Everett  wrote:

> I think github and pastebins/gists shouldn't be considered against the
> limit. We ask people to use gist all the time and github issue or code
> links are a good thing to use as well.
> On May 4, 2015 5:40 PM, "joergpra...@gmail.com" 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Shaunak,
>>
>> I appreciate that. I think it would be more than welcome to let others of
>> the community also take the advantage of including Github issues into the
>> forum software which contain numerous links:
>>
>> https://discuss.elastic.co/t/link-level-in-a-post/151
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Jörg
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 11:05 PM,  wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Jörg,
>>>
>>> I've removed this restriction from your account. You should be able to
>>> post more than 2 links in a post now :)
>>>
>>> Shaunak
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 4, 2015 at 2:07:14 PM UTC-5, Jörg Prante wrote:

 It does not work. I can not post messages with links.

 After I try to post a new topic such as

 - snip
 To all of you who want to sneak at the features planned for ES 2.0,
 this issue collects some of it

 https://github.com/elastic/elasticsearch/issues/9970

 Best,

 Jörg
 snip

 I receive a denial

 "Sorry, new users can only put 2 links in a post."

 Beside the fact I included just one link, why this restriction? A bit
 sad that I am considered a new user after five years happily using ES but
 the machine is always right in the end ;)

 Jörg



 On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:58 PM, Leslie Hawthorn 
 wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Nikolas Everett 
> wrote:
>
>> I suspect its read only while they sort out resourcing issues. Cache
>> hit rate is likely quite high while readonly.
>> On May 4, 2015 12:38 PM, Jürgen Wagner (DVT) 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The site is read-only. No signups possible. Hmm...
>>>
>>
> Our friends at Discourse have reported that the site outage has been
> resolved. They'll keep up with updates via their Twitter account:
>
> https://twitter.com/discourse/status/595268564493279232
>
> In the meantime, please go forth and use the forums. If they fall over
> again we will work to ensure speedy resolution.
>
> Thanks for your patience, folks.
>
> Cheers,
> LH
>
> --
> Leslie Hawthorn
> Director of Developer Relations
> http://elastic.co
>
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> Twitter: @lhawthorn
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Re: Forums Are Now Live at http://discuss.elastic.co

[Ivan Brusic]

I might have found the conflicting setting.
On May 5, 2015 9:43 AM, "Ivan Brusic"  wrote:

> I am watching a few select categories with email notifications, but I
> still received notifications for other categories, Logstash in my case.
>
> Ivan
> On May 4, 2015 6:12 PM, "leslie.hawthorn" 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> We took in feedback on moving to a Discourse based forum for about a
>> month, and it sounds like most of the folks who thought it might not be
>> optimal were people who preferred to interact with mailing lists instead of
>> forums.
>>
>> We're pretty confident the email functionality of Discourse will work
>> well for our community, so we've gone ahead and rolled out the forums. You
>> can visit them now and sign up for a user account at
>> http://discuss.elastic.co. Registration is one time only and you can do
>> so with any email address or authorizing via Facebook, GitHub, Google
>> Accounts or Twitter.
>>
>> Once you've created your account, you can set up your preferences to
>> receive email as often or as rarely as you would like.
>>
>> For those who'd prefer to interact solely via email, you can start doing
>> so as soon as you've set these preferences. You can find full documentation
>> on interacting with the forums solely via email here.[0]
>>
>> Some anticipated FAQs:
>>
>> 1) Should I ask for help using the forums on this mailing list?
>> You're welcome to ask for help on this list, on IRC (#elasticsearch,
>> #logstash or #kibana on Freenode) or within the forum in the Meta Elastic
>> category.
>>
>> 2) Are you going to stop answering questions here?
>> No, we're going to leave the mailing list active for at least 30 days so
>> our entire community can kick the tires. Quoting our internal company FAQ
>> for this very question:
>> "If our community members find Discourse to be suboptimal, we may make
>> the choice to use the forums only for certain tasks and preserve the
>> existing mailing lists."
>>
>> However, our goal is to provide a single source of truth for information
>> on our products, so we're hoping the Discourse based forums really work for
>> people. Our employees will be answering your questions with a pointer to a
>> forum thread to encourage people to actually interact with the new
>> resource, too.
>>
>> 3) So let's say that the forums work for people. What's the plan?
>> We'll set these mailing lists to read-only ~30 days from now (June 1,
>> 2015). We're still working with the creators of Discourse to do a full
>> import of our mailing list archives, so once that task is complete the
>> read-only archives will still be preserved, but you can search through all
>> that collective knowledge in one place at http://discuss.elastic.co
>>
>> 4) Is there an FAQ for using the forums?
>> We feel like the user interface for Discourse is pretty intuitive, but we
>> have a short Notes on Using This Forum document [1] available to help you
>> get started.
>>
>> 5) Where do I direct praise and pain points for the forums?
>> Feedback on the forums should be posted to the Meta Elastic category. [2]
>> You can update it via email using address discuss-meta [at] elastic [dot]
>> co once you've set up your user account.
>>
>> 6) I have another question that you have not answered. What should I do?
>> Please post a note in the Meta Elastic category, ping in IRC (I'm lh on
>> Freenode, though anyone with ChanOps/Voice in #elasticsearch, #logstash and
>> #kibana can help) or post a note in this thread.
>>
>>
>> [0] -
>> https://discuss.elastic.co/t/email-only-interaction-with-the-forums/106
>> [1] - https://discuss.elastic.co/t/notes-on-using-these-forums/118
>> [2] - https://discuss.elastic.co/c/meta
>>
>> Cheers,
>> LH
>>
>> Leslie Hawthorn
>> Director of Developer Relations
>> http://elastic.co
>>
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Re: Forums Are Now Live at http://discuss.elastic.co

[Ivan Brusic]

I am watching a few select categories with email notifications, but I still
received notifications for other categories, Logstash in my case.

Ivan
On May 4, 2015 6:12 PM, "leslie.hawthorn" 
wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> We took in feedback on moving to a Discourse based forum for about a
> month, and it sounds like most of the folks who thought it might not be
> optimal were people who preferred to interact with mailing lists instead of
> forums.
>
> We're pretty confident the email functionality of Discourse will work well
> for our community, so we've gone ahead and rolled out the forums. You can
> visit them now and sign up for a user account at http://discuss.elastic.co.
> Registration is one time only and you can do so with any email address or
> authorizing via Facebook, GitHub, Google Accounts or Twitter.
>
> Once you've created your account, you can set up your preferences to
> receive email as often or as rarely as you would like.
>
> For those who'd prefer to interact solely via email, you can start doing
> so as soon as you've set these preferences. You can find full documentation
> on interacting with the forums solely via email here.[0]
>
> Some anticipated FAQs:
>
> 1) Should I ask for help using the forums on this mailing list?
> You're welcome to ask for help on this list, on IRC (#elasticsearch,
> #logstash or #kibana on Freenode) or within the forum in the Meta Elastic
> category.
>
> 2) Are you going to stop answering questions here?
> No, we're going to leave the mailing list active for at least 30 days so
> our entire community can kick the tires. Quoting our internal company FAQ
> for this very question:
> "If our community members find Discourse to be suboptimal, we may make
> the choice to use the forums only for certain tasks and preserve the
> existing mailing lists."
>
> However, our goal is to provide a single source of truth for information
> on our products, so we're hoping the Discourse based forums really work for
> people. Our employees will be answering your questions with a pointer to a
> forum thread to encourage people to actually interact with the new
> resource, too.
>
> 3) So let's say that the forums work for people. What's the plan?
> We'll set these mailing lists to read-only ~30 days from now (June 1,
> 2015). We're still working with the creators of Discourse to do a full
> import of our mailing list archives, so once that task is complete the
> read-only archives will still be preserved, but you can search through all
> that collective knowledge in one place at http://discuss.elastic.co
>
> 4) Is there an FAQ for using the forums?
> We feel like the user interface for Discourse is pretty intuitive, but we
> have a short Notes on Using This Forum document [1] available to help you
> get started.
>
> 5) Where do I direct praise and pain points for the forums?
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>
> 6) I have another question that you have not answered. What should I do?
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>
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> [0] -
> https://discuss.elastic.co/t/email-only-interaction-with-the-forums/106
> [1] - https://discuss.elastic.co/t/notes-on-using-these-forums/118
> [2] - https://discuss.elastic.co/c/meta
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Re: Forums Are Now Live at http://discuss.elastic.co

[Nikolas Everett]

I think github and pastebins/gists shouldn't be considered against the
limit. We ask people to use gist all the time and github issue or code
links are a good thing to use as well.
On May 4, 2015 5:40 PM, "joergpra...@gmail.com" 
wrote:

> Thanks Shaunak,
>
> I appreciate that. I think it would be more than welcome to let others of
> the community also take the advantage of including Github issues into the
> forum software which contain numerous links:
>
> https://discuss.elastic.co/t/link-level-in-a-post/151
>
> Best,
>
> Jörg
>
>
> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 11:05 PM,  wrote:
>
>> Hey Jörg,
>>
>> I've removed this restriction from your account. You should be able to
>> post more than 2 links in a post now :)
>>
>> Shaunak
>>
>> On Monday, May 4, 2015 at 2:07:14 PM UTC-5, Jörg Prante wrote:
>>>
>>> It does not work. I can not post messages with links.
>>>
>>> After I try to post a new topic such as
>>>
>>> - snip
>>> To all of you who want to sneak at the features planned for ES 2.0, this
>>> issue collects some of it
>>>
>>> https://github.com/elastic/elasticsearch/issues/9970
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Jörg
>>> snip
>>>
>>> I receive a denial
>>>
>>> "Sorry, new users can only put 2 links in a post."
>>>
>>> Beside the fact I included just one link, why this restriction? A bit
>>> sad that I am considered a new user after five years happily using ES but
>>> the machine is always right in the end ;)
>>>
>>> Jörg
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:58 PM, Leslie Hawthorn 
>>> wrote:
>>>


 On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Nikolas Everett 
 wrote:

> I suspect its read only while they sort out resourcing issues. Cache
> hit rate is likely quite high while readonly.
> On May 4, 2015 12:38 PM, Jürgen Wagner (DVT) 
> wrote:
>
>> The site is read-only. No signups possible. Hmm...
>>
>
 Our friends at Discourse have reported that the site outage has been
 resolved. They'll keep up with updates via their Twitter account:

 https://twitter.com/discourse/status/595268564493279232

 In the meantime, please go forth and use the forums. If they fall over
 again we will work to ensure speedy resolution.

 Thanks for your patience, folks.

 Cheers,
 LH

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Re: Forums Are Now Live at http://discuss.elastic.co

[joergpra...@gmail.com]

Thanks Shaunak,

I appreciate that. I think it would be more than welcome to let others of
the community also take the advantage of including Github issues into the
forum software which contain numerous links:

https://discuss.elastic.co/t/link-level-in-a-post/151

Best,

Jörg


On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 11:05 PM,  wrote:

> Hey Jörg,
>
> I've removed this restriction from your account. You should be able to
> post more than 2 links in a post now :)
>
> Shaunak
>
> On Monday, May 4, 2015 at 2:07:14 PM UTC-5, Jörg Prante wrote:
>>
>> It does not work. I can not post messages with links.
>>
>> After I try to post a new topic such as
>>
>> - snip
>> To all of you who want to sneak at the features planned for ES 2.0, this
>> issue collects some of it
>>
>> https://github.com/elastic/elasticsearch/issues/9970
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Jörg
>> snip
>>
>> I receive a denial
>>
>> "Sorry, new users can only put 2 links in a post."
>>
>> Beside the fact I included just one link, why this restriction? A bit sad
>> that I am considered a new user after five years happily using ES but the
>> machine is always right in the end ;)
>>
>> Jörg
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:58 PM, Leslie Hawthorn 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Nikolas Everett 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I suspect its read only while they sort out resourcing issues. Cache
 hit rate is likely quite high while readonly.
 On May 4, 2015 12:38 PM, Jürgen Wagner (DVT) 
 wrote:

> The site is read-only. No signups possible. Hmm...
>

>>> Our friends at Discourse have reported that the site outage has been
>>> resolved. They'll keep up with updates via their Twitter account:
>>>
>>> https://twitter.com/discourse/status/595268564493279232
>>>
>>> In the meantime, please go forth and use the forums. If they fall over
>>> again we will work to ensure speedy resolution.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your patience, folks.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> LH
>>>
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Re: Forums Are Now Live at http://discuss.elastic.co

[shaunak]

Hey Jörg,

I've removed this restriction from your account. You should be able to post 
more than 2 links in a post now :)

Shaunak

On Monday, May 4, 2015 at 2:07:14 PM UTC-5, Jörg Prante wrote:
>
> It does not work. I can not post messages with links.
>
> After I try to post a new topic such as
>
> - snip
> To all of you who want to sneak at the features planned for ES 2.0, this 
> issue collects some of it 
>
> https://github.com/elastic/elasticsearch/issues/9970
>
> Best,
>
> Jörg
> snip
>
> I receive a denial
>
> "Sorry, new users can only put 2 links in a post."
>
> Beside the fact I included just one link, why this restriction? A bit sad 
> that I am considered a new user after five years happily using ES but the 
> machine is always right in the end ;)
>
> Jörg
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:58 PM, Leslie Hawthorn  > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Nikolas Everett > > wrote:
>>
>>> I suspect its read only while they sort out resourcing issues. Cache hit 
>>> rate is likely quite high while readonly. 
>>> On May 4, 2015 12:38 PM, Jürgen Wagner (DVT) >> > wrote:
>>>
 The site is read-only. No signups possible. Hmm...

>>>
>> Our friends at Discourse have reported that the site outage has been 
>> resolved. They'll keep up with updates via their Twitter account:
>>
>> https://twitter.com/discourse/status/595268564493279232
>>
>> In the meantime, please go forth and use the forums. If they fall over 
>> again we will work to ensure speedy resolution.
>>
>> Thanks for your patience, folks.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> LH 
>>
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Re: Forums Are Now Live at http://discuss.elastic.co

[tyler]

Good feedback Jörg! It really is helpful to figure out which aspects need 
to be tuned so that it fits our needs better. (So, thanks to everyone for 
kicking the tires on it.)

Discourse has *lots* of features that are intended to watch for spammers; 
restricting the number of links in a post is one of them. We worked on the 
settings for these but they can obviously be improved a little. I've raised 
the limit, as posting links to gists/etc. is obviously useful for newcomers 
asking for assistance.

Suggestions to fine-tune the forums is welcome, if you want to make these 
suggestions in the "Meta" category on Discourse, it'll help consolidate 
where we can track all of the feedback (and keep some of the 
Discourse-specific talk on discuss.elastic.co.)

Thanks!

On Monday, May 4, 2015 at 1:07:14 PM UTC-6, Jörg Prante wrote:
>
> It does not work. I can not post messages with links.
>
> After I try to post a new topic such as
>
> - snip
> To all of you who want to sneak at the features planned for ES 2.0, this 
> issue collects some of it 
>
> https://github.com/elastic/elasticsearch/issues/9970
>
> Best,
>
> Jörg
> snip
>
> I receive a denial
>
> "Sorry, new users can only put 2 links in a post."
>
> Beside the fact I included just one link, why this restriction? A bit sad 
> that I am considered a new user after five years happily using ES but the 
> machine is always right in the end ;)
>
> Jörg
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:58 PM, Leslie Hawthorn  > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Nikolas Everett > > wrote:
>>
>>> I suspect its read only while they sort out resourcing issues. Cache hit 
>>> rate is likely quite high while readonly. 
>>> On May 4, 2015 12:38 PM, Jürgen Wagner (DVT) >> > wrote:
>>>
 The site is read-only. No signups possible. Hmm...

>>>
>> Our friends at Discourse have reported that the site outage has been 
>> resolved. They'll keep up with updates via their Twitter account:
>>
>> https://twitter.com/discourse/status/595268564493279232
>>
>> In the meantime, please go forth and use the forums. If they fall over 
>> again we will work to ensure speedy resolution.
>>
>> Thanks for your patience, folks.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> LH 
>>
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Re: Forums Are Now Live at http://discuss.elastic.co

[joergpra...@gmail.com]

It does not work. I can not post messages with links.

After I try to post a new topic such as

- snip
To all of you who want to sneak at the features planned for ES 2.0, this
issue collects some of it

https://github.com/elastic/elasticsearch/issues/9970

Best,

Jörg
snip

I receive a denial

"Sorry, new users can only put 2 links in a post."

Beside the fact I included just one link, why this restriction? A bit sad
that I am considered a new user after five years happily using ES but the
machine is always right in the end ;)

Jörg



On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:58 PM, Leslie Hawthorn 
wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Nikolas Everett  wrote:
>
>> I suspect its read only while they sort out resourcing issues. Cache hit
>> rate is likely quite high while readonly.
>> On May 4, 2015 12:38 PM, Jürgen Wagner (DVT) 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The site is read-only. No signups possible. Hmm...
>>>
>>
> Our friends at Discourse have reported that the site outage has been
> resolved. They'll keep up with updates via their Twitter account:
>
> https://twitter.com/discourse/status/595268564493279232
>
> In the meantime, please go forth and use the forums. If they fall over
> again we will work to ensure speedy resolution.
>
> Thanks for your patience, folks.
>
> Cheers,
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[Leslie Hawthorn]

On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Nikolas Everett  wrote:

> I suspect its read only while they sort out resourcing issues. Cache hit
> rate is likely quite high while readonly.
> On May 4, 2015 12:38 PM, Jürgen Wagner (DVT) 
> wrote:
>
>> The site is read-only. No signups possible. Hmm...
>>
>
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resolved. They'll keep up with updates via their Twitter account:

https://twitter.com/discourse/status/595268564493279232

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I suspect its read only while they sort out resourcing issues. Cache hit
rate is likely quite high while readonly.
On May 4, 2015 12:38 PM, Jürgen Wagner (DVT) 
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> Good luck!
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[Leslie Hawthorn]

On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:38 PM, "Jürgen Wagner (DVT)" <
juergen.wag...@devoteam.com> wrote:

> The site is read-only. No signups possible. Hmm...
>

Known issue - we're addressing. Whee!

We'll update this thread when the issue is resolved.

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The site is read-only. No signups possible. Hmm...

Good luck!
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On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Nikolas Everett  wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 12:12 PM, leslie.hawthorn <
> leslie.hawth...@elastic.co> wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> We took in feedback on moving to a Discourse based forum for about a
>> month, and it sounds like most of the folks who thought it might not be
>> optimal were people who preferred to interact with mailing lists instead of
>> forums.
>>
>> We're pretty confident the email functionality of Discourse will work
>> well for our community, so we've gone ahead and rolled out the forums. You
>> can visit them now and sign up for a user account at
>> http://discuss.elastic.co. Registration is one time only and you can do
>> so with any email address or authorizing via Facebook, GitHub, Google
>> Accounts or Twitter.
>>
>>
> And its falling over. 503s everywhere.
>
> Thanks for the bug report. Addressing now

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Re: Forums Are Now Live at http://discuss.elastic.co

[Nikolas Everett]

On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 12:12 PM, leslie.hawthorn  wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> We took in feedback on moving to a Discourse based forum for about a
> month, and it sounds like most of the folks who thought it might not be
> optimal were people who preferred to interact with mailing lists instead of
> forums.
>
> We're pretty confident the email functionality of Discourse will work well
> for our community, so we've gone ahead and rolled out the forums. You can
> visit them now and sign up for a user account at http://discuss.elastic.co.
> Registration is one time only and you can do so with any email address or
> authorizing via Facebook, GitHub, Google Accounts or Twitter.
>
> Once you've created your account, you can set up your preferences to
> receive email as often or as rarely as you would like.
>
> For those who'd prefer to interact solely via email, you can start doing
> so as soon as you've set these preferences. You can find full documentation
> on interacting with the forums solely via email here.[0]
>
> Some anticipated FAQs:
>
> 1) Should I ask for help using the forums on this mailing list?
> You're welcome to ask for help on this list, on IRC (#elasticsearch,
> #logstash or #kibana on Freenode) or within the forum in the Meta Elastic
> category.
>
> 2) Are you going to stop answering questions here?
> No, we're going to leave the mailing list active for at least 30 days so
> our entire community can kick the tires. Quoting our internal company FAQ
> for this very question:
> "If our community members find Discourse to be suboptimal, we may make
> the choice to use the forums only for certain tasks and preserve the
> existing mailing lists."
>
> However, our goal is to provide a single source of truth for information
> on our products, so we're hoping the Discourse based forums really work for
> people. Our employees will be answering your questions with a pointer to a
> forum thread to encourage people to actually interact with the new
> resource, too.
>
> 3) So let's say that the forums work for people. What's the plan?
> We'll set these mailing lists to read-only ~30 days from now (June 1,
> 2015). We're still working with the creators of Discourse to do a full
> import of our mailing list archives, so once that task is complete the
> read-only archives will still be preserved, but you can search through all
> that collective knowledge in one place at http://discuss.elastic.co
>
> 4) Is there an FAQ for using the forums?
> We feel like the user interface for Discourse is pretty intuitive, but we
> have a short Notes on Using This Forum document [1] available to help you
> get started.
>
> 5) Where do I direct praise and pain points for the forums?
> Feedback on the forums should be posted to the Meta Elastic category. [2]
> You can update it via email using address discuss-meta [at] elastic [dot]
> co once you've set up your user account.
>
> 6) I have another question that you have not answered. What should I do?
> Please post a note in the Meta Elastic category, ping in IRC (I'm lh on
> Freenode, though anyone with ChanOps/Voice in #elasticsearch, #logstash and
> #kibana can help) or post a note in this thread.
>
>
> [0] -
> https://discuss.elastic.co/t/email-only-interaction-with-the-forums/106
> [1] - https://discuss.elastic.co/t/notes-on-using-these-forums/118
> [2] - https://discuss.elastic.co/c/meta
>
> Cheers,
> LH
>
> Leslie Hawthorn
> Director of Developer Relations
> http://elastic.co
>
> Other Places to Find Me:
> Freenode: lh
> Twitter: @lhawthorn
>
>
>
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Forums Are Now Live at http://discuss.elastic.co

[leslie.hawthorn]

Hello everyone,

We took in feedback on moving to a Discourse based forum for about a month, 
and it sounds like most of the folks who thought it might not be optimal 
were people who preferred to interact with mailing lists instead of forums.

We're pretty confident the email functionality of Discourse will work well 
for our community, so we've gone ahead and rolled out the forums. You can 
visit them now and sign up for a user account at http://discuss.elastic.co. 
Registration is one time only and you can do so with any email address or 
authorizing via Facebook, GitHub, Google Accounts or Twitter.

Once you've created your account, you can set up your preferences to 
receive email as often or as rarely as you would like.

For those who'd prefer to interact solely via email, you can start doing so 
as soon as you've set these preferences. You can find full documentation on 
interacting with the forums solely via email here.[0]

Some anticipated FAQs:

1) Should I ask for help using the forums on this mailing list?
You're welcome to ask for help on this list, on IRC (#elasticsearch, 
#logstash or #kibana on Freenode) or within the forum in the Meta Elastic 
category.  

2) Are you going to stop answering questions here?
No, we're going to leave the mailing list active for at least 30 days so 
our entire community can kick the tires. Quoting our internal company FAQ 
for this very question:
"If our community members find Discourse to be suboptimal, we may make the 
choice to use the forums only for certain tasks and preserve the existing 
mailing lists."

However, our goal is to provide a single source of truth for information on 
our products, so we're hoping the Discourse based forums really work for 
people. Our employees will be answering your questions with a pointer to a 
forum thread to encourage people to actually interact with the new 
resource, too.

3) So let's say that the forums work for people. What's the plan?
We'll set these mailing lists to read-only ~30 days from now (June 1, 
2015). We're still working with the creators of Discourse to do a full 
import of our mailing list archives, so once that task is complete the 
read-only archives will still be preserved, but you can search through all 
that collective knowledge in one place at http://discuss.elastic.co 

4) Is there an FAQ for using the forums?
We feel like the user interface for Discourse is pretty intuitive, but we 
have a short Notes on Using This Forum document [1] available to help you 
get started.

5) Where do I direct praise and pain points for the forums?
Feedback on the forums should be posted to the Meta Elastic category. [2] 
You can update it via email using address discuss-meta [at] elastic [dot] 
co once you've set up your user account. 

6) I have another question that you have not answered. What should I do?
Please post a note in the Meta Elastic category, ping in IRC (I'm lh on 
Freenode, though anyone with ChanOps/Voice in #elasticsearch, #logstash and 
#kibana can help) or post a note in this thread.


[0] 
- https://discuss.elastic.co/t/email-only-interaction-with-the-forums/106
[1] - https://discuss.elastic.co/t/notes-on-using-these-forums/118
[2] - https://discuss.elastic.co/c/meta

Cheers,
LH

Leslie Hawthorn
Director of Developer Relations
http://elastic.co

Other Places to Find Me:
Freenode: lh
Twitter: @lhawthorn

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