Re: [PSES] Validity Period of Battery Safety Test Reports

[Jim Bacher, WB8VSU]

John, a question. What's the date on your test reports / files?

I don't remember the details any more, but I hit something similar many 
years ago. So I paid to have the files refreshed to solve the issue. It was 
a minimal cost.


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On March 5, 2024 1:52:21 PM John Riutta  wrote:

Hello all,

I’m having a bit of bother with Amazon.com at the moment. For a small 
rechargeable battery-containing product they are requiring one of the 
following in order for them to sell the product on their Canadian platform:


CAN/CSA C22.2 No. 62133-2:20;
IEC 62133:2012 or IEC 62133-2:2017;
UL 62133:2017 or UL 62133-2:2020.

The challenge is that they rejected the one I sent as being long past the 
testing date. However I have not been able to find any citation as to how 
often testing under any of these standards must be repeated in order to be 
valid.



I seek the collected wisdom of the group please.

Best regards,
John


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Manager I jriutta@celestron.comI323.446.1076

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I Torrance, CA 90503




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Re: [PSES] Validity Period of Battery Safety Test Reports

[John Riutta]

Hello John.

Amazon’s authority in rejecting the document was Amazon’s own rules; however 
their representatives (three so far) could not point to any published rule in 
their compliance portal that identified a duration of validity. Effectively, it 
was past date because they said so.

It’s terribly frustrating.

John


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From: John Woodgate 
Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2024 11:19 AM
To: John Riutta ; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Validity Period of Battery Safety Test Reports


How 'long past'? Do any of these standards, or the test certificates associated 
with them, specify a validity period or an expiry date? Did Amazon cite an 
authority for their rejection?
On 2024-03-05 18:51, John Riutta wrote:
Hello all,

I’m having a bit of bother with 
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 at the moment. For a small rechargeable battery-containing product they are 
requiring one of the following in order for them to sell the product on their 
Canadian platform:


  1.  CAN/CSA C22.2 No. 62133-2:20;
  2.  IEC 62133:2012 or IEC 62133-2:2017;
  3.  UL 62133:2017 or UL 62133-2:2020.

The challenge is that they rejected the one I sent as being long past the 
testing date. However I have not been able to find any citation as to how often 
testing under any of these standards must be repeated in order to be valid.

I seek the collected wisdom of the group please.

Best regards,
John


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Manager I jriu...@celestron.com<mailto:jriu...@celestron.com> I 323.446.1076
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Re: [PSES] Validity Period of Battery Safety Test Reports

[John Woodgate]

How 'long past'? Do any of these standards, or the test certificates 
associated with them, specify a validity period or an expiry date? Did 
Amazon cite an authority for their rejection?


On 2024-03-05 18:51, John Riutta wrote:


Hello all,

I’m having a bit of bother with Amazon.com at the moment. For a small 
rechargeable battery-containing product they are requiring one of the 
following in order for them to sell the product on their Canadian 
platform:


  * CAN/CSA C22.2 No. 62133-2:20;
  * IEC 62133:2012 or IEC 62133-2:2017;
  * UL 62133:2017 or UL 62133-2:2020.

The challenge is that they rejected the one I sent as being long past 
the testing date. However I have not been able to find any citation as 
to how often testing under any of these standards must be repeated in 
order to be valid.


I seek the collected wisdom of the group please.

Best regards,

John

John E. Riutta, MA, MBA, FLSI Product Development and Product 
Compliance Manager I jriu...@celestron.com 
 I 323.446.1076


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[PSES] Validity Period of Battery Safety Test Reports

[John Riutta]

Hello all,

I'm having a bit of bother with Amazon.com at the moment. For a small 
rechargeable battery-containing product they are requiring one of the following 
in order for them to sell the product on their Canadian platform:


  *   CAN/CSA C22.2 No. 62133-2:20;
  *   IEC 62133:2012 or IEC 62133-2:2017;
  *   UL 62133:2017 or UL 62133-2:2020.

The challenge is that they rejected the one I sent as being long past the 
testing date. However I have not been able to find any citation as to how often 
testing under any of these standards must be repeated in order to be valid.

I seek the collected wisdom of the group please.

Best regards,
John


John E. Riutta, MA, MBA, FLS I Product Development and Product Compliance 
Manager I jriu...@celestron.com I 323.446.1076
CELESTRON, LLC. I 2835 Columbia Street I Torrance, CA 90503

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[PSES] Battery Safety Expert

[John Allen]

Hi,

We’re looking for a battery safety expert to join us on a project.  They need 
to be very current on high performance lithium-ion packs as the current best 
practices lead the standards a bit.

Please contact me directly.

Best Regards,

John

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RE: NiMH ( nickel-metal hydride cell) Battery Safety

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Good info. Thanks to all that replied.
 
Cheers,
 
Christine
 


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From: Christine Rodham 
Subject: RE: NiMH ( nickel-metal hydride cell) Battery Safety
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Date: Tuesday, May 4, 2010, 1:45 AM


Group,
 
With all the recent issues regarding battery explosions, overheating, etc.,
are there any recent changes with battery safety for ITE products?
 
In particular, we are shipping a NiMH battery in a Listed OEM ITE product. The
listing entity is not quite our favorite one and has made significant mistakes
on previous product certifications.
 
We are curious about:
 
* Requirements for shipping this type of battery worldwide
 
* Disclosure of the battery and type of battery either on the product and/or
on the product packaging
 
* Shipping or storing the battery at high altitudes ( air freight ) or at high
temperatures
 
* The need for the use of a power on symbol that indicates battery power is on
when the main AC power is disconnected.
 
* Additional / new rules - regulations due to the recent laptop battery issues.
 
Any info ( fact or speculation ) is appreciated !
 
Cheers,
 
Christine
 
 



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RE: NiMH ( nickel-metal hydride cell) Battery Safety

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ICAO, 49 CFR 173 for FAA/DOT, Transport Canada, and a myriad array of
national regulations. Bing/Google is your friend - I am not...

For marks - maybe the scoped product safety standard/directive - just a
wild guess.

For speculation - do not use aluminum foil to prevent space-alien mind
control, use copper foil and a faraday cage.

Brian
 

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Christine

You should refer to the IATA Dangerous Goods Regulations, 51st edition
dated January 2010, for answers to the above, as regulations relating to
batteries did change with this edition.

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Sent: 04 May 2010 09:45
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: NiMH ( nickel-metal hydride cell) Battery Safety

Group,

With all the recent issues regarding battery explosions, overheating,
etc., are there any recent changes with battery safety for ITE products?

In particular, we are shipping a NiMH battery in a Listed OEM ITE product.
The listing entity is not quite our favorite one and has made significant
mistakes on previous product certifications.

We are curious about:

* Requirements for shipping this type of battery worldwide

* Disclosure of the battery and type of battery either on the product
and/or on the product packaging

* Shipping or storing the battery at high altitudes ( air freight ) or at
high temperatures

* The need for the use of a power on symbol that indicates battery power
is on when the main AC power is disconnected.

* Additional / new rules - regulations due to the recent laptop battery
issues.

Any info ( fact or speculation ) is appreciated !
 
Cheers,

Christine

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Christine
 
You should refer to the IATA Dangerous Goods Regulations, 51st edition dated
January 2010, for answers to the above, as regulations relating to batteries
did change with this edition.
 

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From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Christine
Rodham
Sent: 04 May 2010 09:45
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: NiMH ( nickel-metal hydride cell) Battery Safety


Group,
 
With all the recent issues regarding battery explosions, overheating, etc.,
are there any recent changes with battery safety for ITE products?
 
In particular, we are shipping a NiMH battery in a Listed OEM ITE product. The
listing entity is not quite our favorite one and has made significant mistakes
on previous product certifications.
 
We are curious about:
 
* Requirements for shipping this type of battery worldwide
 
* Disclosure of the battery and type of battery either on the product and/or
on the product packaging
 
* Shipping or storing the battery at high altitudes ( air freight ) or at high
temperatures
 
* The need for the use of a power on symbol that indicates battery power is on
when the main AC power is disconnected.
 
* Additional / new rules - regulations due to the recent laptop battery issues.
 
Any info ( fact or speculation ) is appreciated !
 
Cheers,
 
Christine
 
 

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Group,
 
With all the recent issues regarding battery explosions, overheating, etc.,
are there any recent changes with battery safety for ITE products?
 
In particular, we are shipping a NiMH battery in a Listed OEM ITE product. The
listing entity is not quite our favorite one and has made significant mistakes
on previous product certifications.
 
We are curious about:
 
* Requirements for shipping this type of battery worldwide
 
* Disclosure of the battery and type of battery either on the product and/or
on the product packaging
 
* Shipping or storing the battery at high altitudes ( air freight ) or at high
temperatures
 
* The need for the use of a power on symbol that indicates battery power is on
when the main AC power is disconnected.
 
* Additional / new rules - regulations due to the recent laptop battery issues.
 
Any info ( fact or speculation ) is appreciated !
 
Cheers,
 
Christine
 
 

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Re: Re[3]: Battery Safety

[Ralph Cameron]

Barry:

This is the same principal used to charge the batteries for the artificial
heart- an inductive loop.

Ralph Cameron

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>
> Eric,
> Thanks for the nice answer.
> Barry Ma
> -
> On Tue, 26 September 2000, "Eric Petitpierre" wrote:
>
> >
> >  Barry,
> >
> >  There is likely an excitation coil in the base.  I sends out a
> >  magnetic field.  The recever, (toothbrush) has a receive coil that
> >  charges the battery.
> >
> >  In other words, the "primary" of the transformer is in the base.
The
> >  "secondary" of the transformer is in the toothbrush.  When the
> >  toothbrush is in the base, the proximity is close enough to charge
the
> >  battery.
> >
> >  Eric Petitpierre
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Re: Battery Safety

[mike harris]

Hi Barry,

One of my clients makes a charger with primary loop in the base and the
charged unit has a secondary loop to form a transformer, though less
efficient than close-coupled versions there are no contacts to corrode or
offer the possibility of shock .

Mike Harris/Teccom

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Subject: Re: Battery Safety


>
>Chris' email reminds me of a relevant question:
>
>The charging stand for a battery-driven toothbrush (Sonicare) has no
contact with the toothbrush. What is the charging mechanism? Is it safer
than other battery?
>
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RE: Battery Safety

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Scott,
Thanks for the nice answer. 
Barry Ma
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On Tue, 26 September 2000, "Scott Lacey" wrote:
 
> Barry,
> 
> These use magnetic coupling to transfer the charging energy. In essence, the
> transformer secondary is inside the toothbrush handle, along with the
> rectifiers and rechargeable batteries. The older models used line-frequency
> sine waves and tended to get warm (but not hot). Many of the newer models
> use high-frequency (tens of kilohertz or higher) square waves and do not get
> warm while in the stand.
> 
> As for safety, the lack of exposed contacts is a great advantage. Battery
> chargers can deliver substantial current - enough to cause burns to a
> curious child probing them with a pair of metal tweezers.
> 
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Re[2]: Battery Safety

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 On 9/25/00 Barry Ma asks:


 
>The charging stand for a battery-driven toothbrush (Sonicare) has no contact 
>wit h the toothbrush. What is the charging mechanism? Is it safer than other 
>battery ?
 
 Magnetics.  Is it safer? I don't know.
 
 
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Re: Battery Safety

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Chris' email reminds me of a relevant question:

The charging stand for a battery-driven toothbrush (Sonicare) has no contact 
with the toothbrush. What is the charging mechanism? Is it safer than other 
battery?

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Re: Battery Safety

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Chris:

Is the battery a rechargeable?   Have you tried disconnecting the 91K
reisstor and measuring the resulting voltage increase?  Doesn't make sense
to me.

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Subject: Battery Safety


>
> All,
>
> We have inherited a design from a company which we purchased.  The product
> is a handheld and can be operated from a pair of Alkaline batteries.
Inside
> the unit, there is a 91 KOhm resistor across the + and - terminals of the
> batteries.  Since the people who designed the instrument are long gone,
some
> of my collegues have asked me if this resistor could be a safety  feature.
>
> I can't think of any way this resistor would help the safety of the
> instrument.  I did read through the safety test report; and I found no
> reference to this resistor being required.   All it does is provide a
> constant drain on the battery (reducing battery life).  It has been
> suggested to me that some designers put resistors across batteries to
reduce
> the electrical noise in a product.  To me a capacitor would be better for
> this because it wouldn't drain the battery while it was filtering.  Even
so,
> isn't a battery the ultimate capacitor?  I'm just drawing a blank why
anyone
> would do this.  I'd love to recommend that we pull this resistor out
because
> it's a pain to solder and it affects battery life.  However, I don't want
to
> sacrifice the safety of the product.
>
> Anybody want to take a guess at this one?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Chris Maxwell, Design Engineer
> GN Nettest Optical Division
> 6 Rhoads Drive, Building 4
> Utica, NY 13502
> PH:  315-797-4449
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Re: Battery Safety

[ed . rauch]

I've seen this resistor used for the low battery alarm circuit. It keeps the
battery voltage from rising as load is shed and confusing the low battery alarm
circuit. There is no safety reason that I know of. 91K ohm is an odd value
though, left overs from another product? I'm assuming that the normal current
drain of this product is small, in the 10  to 100 microamp regions.



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RE: Battery Safety

[Kevin Harris]

Hi,

I've seen this done before on low current designs. Sometimes when you
replace the batteries in this type of design the circuit voltage does not
have time to drop completely away due to the charge saved on bulk
capacitors. When the new batteries are added the circuit comes up in a
peculiar state. This is particularly true of uP power on reset circuits.
There are more elegant ways to take care of this problem but I suppose a
single resistor would be the cheapest (if one ignored battery life).

Regards,

Kevin Harris
Manager, Approval Services
Digital Security Controls



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Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 11:31 AM
To: 'EMC-PSTC Internet Forum'
Subject: Battery Safety



All,

We have inherited a design from a company which we purchased.  The product
is a handheld and can be operated from a pair of Alkaline batteries.  Inside
the unit, there is a 91 KOhm resistor across the + and - terminals of the
batteries.  Since the people who designed the instrument are long gone, some
of my collegues have asked me if this resistor could be a safety  feature.

I can't think of any way this resistor would help the safety of the
instrument.  I did read through the safety test report; and I found no
reference to this resistor being required.   All it does is provide a
constant drain on the battery (reducing battery life).  It has been
suggested to me that some designers put resistors across batteries to reduce
the electrical noise in a product.  To me a capacitor would be better for
this because it wouldn't drain the battery while it was filtering.  Even so,
isn't a battery the ultimate capacitor?  I'm just drawing a blank why anyone
would do this.  I'd love to recommend that we pull this resistor out because
it's a pain to solder and it affects battery life.  However, I don't want to
sacrifice the safety of the product.

Anybody want to take a guess at this one?

Thanks.

Chris Maxwell, Design Engineer
GN Nettest Optical Division
6 Rhoads Drive, Building 4  
Utica, NY 13502
PH:  315-797-4449
FAX:  315-797-8024
EMAIL:  chr...@gnlp.com



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Battery Safety

[Maxwell, Chris]

All,

We have inherited a design from a company which we purchased.  The product
is a handheld and can be operated from a pair of Alkaline batteries.  Inside
the unit, there is a 91 KOhm resistor across the + and - terminals of the
batteries.  Since the people who designed the instrument are long gone, some
of my collegues have asked me if this resistor could be a safety  feature.

I can't think of any way this resistor would help the safety of the
instrument.  I did read through the safety test report; and I found no
reference to this resistor being required.   All it does is provide a
constant drain on the battery (reducing battery life).  It has been
suggested to me that some designers put resistors across batteries to reduce
the electrical noise in a product.  To me a capacitor would be better for
this because it wouldn't drain the battery while it was filtering.  Even so,
isn't a battery the ultimate capacitor?  I'm just drawing a blank why anyone
would do this.  I'd love to recommend that we pull this resistor out because
it's a pain to solder and it affects battery life.  However, I don't want to
sacrifice the safety of the product.

Anybody want to take a guess at this one?

Thanks.

Chris Maxwell, Design Engineer
GN Nettest Optical Division
6 Rhoads Drive, Building 4  
Utica, NY 13502
PH:  315-797-4449
FAX:  315-797-8024
EMAIL:  chr...@gnlp.com



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RE: Lithium and Lithium-Ion Battery Safety

[Maxwell, Chris]

Jim,

I had this same problem when I worked for the Air Force.  We needed to
transport a number of devices containing Lithium batteries.  At that time,
my best resource for information was the battery manufacturer.  Since
batteries are their livlihood, they make it a point to understand the
governmental and shipping regulations for their products.  Who ships more
batteries than a battery manufacturer? :-)  

In my case, the batteries were manufactured by Tadiran.   I contacted
Tadiran and they proved to be very helpful.  Their New York office's phone
number is 212-751-3600, they also have an email of sa...@tadiranbat.com.
They are also on the web.  

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> -Original Message-
> From: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com [SMTP:jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2000 11:42 AM
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> Subject:  Fwd:Lithium and Lithium-Ion Battery Safety
> 
> 
> Forwarded for wjack...@harris.com   by Jim
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> Forward Header_
> Subject:    Lithium and Lithium-Ion Battery Safety
> Author: "Jackson; William" 
> Date:   3/22/00 11:24 AM
> 
> Good Morning All,
>  
> I have a couple of questions concerning safety of lithium batteries.
> Because these batteries( 1/2 AA and BA-5590/U)  contain some amount of
> lithium which can be hazardous when it reacts with water, I believe these
> batteries fall under the category of hazardous material.  I am not sure
> that
> they aren't exempt from governmental regulation.  
>  
>  
> 1.  Can anyone direct me to where I might find USA and foreign regulations
> concerning the transportation of lithium batteries.
>  
> 2.  Can lithium-ion batteries be transported in a charged state, globally?
> I
> am aware that some of these batteries are used in laptop computers and
> folks
> travel with them all over the world and when you buy them off shelf in
> stores  I believe they are charged.   I have reviewed one manufacturer's
> MSDS and it doesn't really provide any information concerning the battery
> transported in the charged state.  
>  
> 
> 
> Thanks, 
> Bill 
> Harris 
> RF Communications Division (RFCD) 
> (716)-242-3897 
> wjack...@harris.com 
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RE: Lithium and Lithium-Ion Battery Safety

[John Allen]

Hi Folks

The following link will take you to the International Air Transport 
Association (IATA) and to their Dangerous Goods Regulations which will give 
you the international air transport regs - which are the worst.

http://www.iata.org/cargo/dg/prod.htm

However you will have to pay to get a copy - it is about $150 US.

Regards

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Forward Header_
Subject:Lithium and Lithium-Ion Battery Safety
Author: "Jackson; William" 
List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org
Date:   3/22/00 11:24 AM

Good Morning All,

I have a couple of questions concerning safety of lithium batteries.
Because these batteries( 1/2 AA and BA-5590/U)  contain some amount of
lithium which can be hazardous when it reacts with water, I believe these
batteries fall under the category of hazardous material.  I am not sure 
that
they aren't exempt from governmental regulation.


1.  Can anyone direct me to where I might find USA and foreign regulations
concerning the transportation of lithium batteries.

2.  Can lithium-ion batteries be transported in a charged state, globally? 
I
am aware that some of these batteries are used in laptop computers and 
folks
travel with them all over the world and when you buy them off shelf in
stores  I believe they are charged.   I have reviewed one manufacturer's
MSDS and it doesn't really provide any information concerning the battery
transported in the charged state.



Thanks,
Bill
Harris
RF Communications Division (RFCD)
(716)-242-3897
wjack...@harris.com



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Forward Header_
Subject:Lithium and Lithium-Ion Battery Safety
Author: "Jackson; William" 
List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org
Date:   3/22/00 11:24 AM

Good Morning All,
 
I have a couple of questions concerning safety of lithium batteries.
Because these batteries( 1/2 AA and BA-5590/U)  contain some amount of
lithium which can be hazardous when it reacts with water, I believe these
batteries fall under the category of hazardous material.  I am not sure that
they aren't exempt from governmental regulation.  
 
 
1.  Can anyone direct me to where I might find USA and foreign regulations
concerning the transportation of lithium batteries.
 
2.  Can lithium-ion batteries be transported in a charged state, globally? I
am aware that some of these batteries are used in laptop computers and folks
travel with them all over the world and when you buy them off shelf in
stores  I believe they are charged.   I have reviewed one manufacturer's
MSDS and it doesn't really provide any information concerning the battery
transported in the charged state.  
 


Thanks, 
Bill 
Harris 
RF Communications Division (RFCD) 
(716)-242-3897 
wjack...@harris.com 

 

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