Re: [Emc-users] How to unlock a linear axis

2012-08-15 Thread Andrea Buono
Hi,

Thankyou for your test, you have save me much time, but I'm a little
disappointed becouse I think that I'm stupid becouse I can't find a way to
do the job ... is it impossible that in all the time that linuxcnc exist no
one had my same problem.
Well, a way illustrated from Kirk Wallace seems good but I'm not sure on
how implement the trik, I don't know how to force the commanded position
from the motion part to be at a fixed point even if it have a jog or G
command, I have made some test with the axis.N.motor-pos-fb but the
tracking error remain.
I hope in a miracleor someone much clever than me.


2012/8/15 sam sokolik sa...@empirescreen.com

 I just played with master.

 It looks like if you add LOCKING_INDEXER = 1 to a linear axis - it
 doesn't create the pins.  (but does make it so you cannot jog it) So it
 'sort of' works.  :).  It probably should do all or nothing.

 sam
 On 08/14/2012 03:46 PM, Andrea Buono wrote:
  Yes it is,
 
  2012/8/14 sam sokolik sa...@empirescreen.com
 
  Was it axis 0 that you added the LOCKING_INDEXER = 1 to*?
 
  sam
  *
  On 8/14/2012 3:31 PM, Andrea Buono wrote:
  Hi,
 
  thanks to all,
 
  well I have made a test, I have add LOCKING_INDEXER = 1 in the linear
  axis
  and then I had run linuxcnc, no error at startup and when I have tried
 to
  jog the axis an error Can't jog a locking axis..sounds
  good...after this I have modified the hm2-servo.hal to add the line
  to
  controll the behavior but at startup linuxcnc give me an error  Pin
  axis.0.is-unlocked doesn't exist 5990, I run the 2.6.0 pre0-3148
 version
  of linuxcnc because I have read somewhere that only the new 2.6 will
 have
  this feature.
  Why I get this error? How you have made your code?
 
  Thanks.
 
 
 
  2012/8/14 sam sokolik sa...@empirescreen.com
 
  To add - It doesn't seem like it cares if it is linear or not... (I
 use
  it on our table indexer and it works great (delays set for up/down in
  ladder that control the hal loopback.)
 
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLE4lzPcEo8feature=plcp
 
  sam
 
  On 8/14/2012 12:12 PM, sam sokolik wrote:
  Someone may have to correct me.. But I think you could use Locking
  rotory.. A couple of thing to think about..
 
  The axis can only be moved by itself.
  The axis moves at rapid (G0)
 
  •LOCKING_INDEXER = 1 - When this is set to 1 a G0 move for this axis
  will initiate an unlock with axis.N.unlock pin then wait for the
  axis.N.is-unlocked pin then move the axis at the rapid rate for that
  axis. After the move the axis.N.unlock will be false and motion will
  wait for axis.N.is-unlocked to go false. Moving with other axes is
 not
  allowed when moving a locked rotary axis.
 
  That way you have a hal loop that can be used to control things like
  amp
  enables and such..
 
  sam
 
 
  On 8/14/2012 11:50 AM, Stuart Stevenson wrote:
  Andrea,
 
  If you hold the feed rate at zero with the motion.feed-hold until
 the
  brake
  is released then no matter how long the brake takes to release the
  slide
  will not move.
  Install a physical switch to trip when the brake is physically
  unlocked.
  Set up the motion.feed-hold to read the switch on the brake.
 
 
  thanks
  Stuart
 
 
  On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:18 AM, John Kasunich 
  jmkasun...@fastmail.fm
  wrote:
  There is a HAL pin on the motion controller called motion.feed-hold
 
  motion.feed-hold IN BIT
  When Feed Stop Control is enabled with M53 P1, and this bit is
 TRUE,
  the feed rate is set to 0.
 
  Set up your HAL config so that pin is driven TRUE whenever the
 brake
  is on.
 
 
 
  On Tue, Aug 14, 2012, at 11:08 AM, Andrea Buono wrote:
  Hi,
 
  I'm setting up a drilling machine with a single axis controlled by
  an
  inverter with encoder with a Mesa 7i43 card for the loop
  The axis has a brake which acts on a rack railway by a cylinder.
  Now to allow time for the cylinder to unlock, I gave a delaied
  command to
  the
  direction of inverter, but this causes a tracking error on the
 axis.
  How do I tell to the motion that has to wait to release the
 brake
  even
  in
  MDI or in jog mode?
 
  Sorry for my english and thank you.
 
  Andrea
 
 
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Re: [Emc-users] How to unlock a linear axis

2012-08-15 Thread andy pugh
On 15 August 2012 09:59, Andrea Buono andrea.buon...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have made some test with the axis.N.motor-pos-fb but the
 tracking error remain.

A very crude solution would be to increase the f-error limits so that
the tracking error is ignored.
Even cruder would be to net motor-pos-fb to motor-pos-cmd so that
LinuxCNC never sees the tracking error.

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Re: [Emc-users] How to unlock a linear axis

2012-08-15 Thread Andrea Buono
Thankyou, the first solution is not praticable becouse of the PID, after
unlock the motor it try to regain the error with a error proportional
velocity, the second I will try.

2012/8/15 andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com

 On 15 August 2012 09:59, Andrea Buono andrea.buon...@gmail.com wrote:

  I have made some test with the axis.N.motor-pos-fb but the
  tracking error remain.

 A very crude solution would be to increase the f-error limits so that
 the tracking error is ignored.
 Even cruder would be to net motor-pos-fb to motor-pos-cmd so that
 LinuxCNC never sees the tracking error.

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Re: [Emc-users] Hey Gene! Hand held O'scope for ya.

2012-08-15 Thread Mark Wendt
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 5:27 PM, Jason Burton lathebuil...@gmail.com wrote:

 How do you like the DSO Nano? I've been eyeing them for a while.

 Jason

I went the other way from Gene.  I have a Tek 7623 with a bunch of
plugins, and a TM504 with calibration plugins, power supply plugins,
two SC504 scope plugins, an SC503 scope plugin and an SC502 scope
plugin.

One can never have too many scopes...

Mark

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Re: [Emc-users] How to unlock a linear axis

2012-08-15 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/8/15 sam sokolik sa...@empirescreen.com:
 I just played with master.

 It looks like if you add LOCKING_INDEXER = 1 to a linear axis - it
 doesn't create the pins.  (but does make it so you cannot jog it) So it
 'sort of' works.  :).  It probably should do all or nothing.


If I understand correctly, then if joint with LOCKING_INDEXER = 1 is
being moved, then all the other joints have to stand still, so there
is no interpolation between this particular joint and the other
joints.
In that case You can easily set that joint to be rotary joint. It
does not matter that it actually is linear joint. If all the scale
values, angular velocities and accelerations etc are set correctly,
then it will move You to right position at right speed and
acceleration.
And with rotary joint You will have all the required pins created
and You will not need to hack feedback position or ferror parameters.

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Re: [Emc-users] How to unlock a linear axis

2012-08-15 Thread Stuart Stevenson
Guys

let's look at this a little bit

You want to keep the slide from attempting to move while the brake is
engaged.

Is that the desired machine action?

If you do not physically mount a switch to the brake how does the control
know the brake is engaged or not?

Even if you find a software solution to the control problem the control
will still not 'KNOW' if the brake is engaged or not.

With a switch mounted on the brake the speed of the engage/disengage cycle
is not important to the machine/control loop.

just my 2 cents

thanks
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Re: [Emc-users] How to unlock a linear axis

2012-08-15 Thread Stephen Dubovsky
W/o feedback its open loop.  Just like a stepper motor.  Lots of
applications are fine w/ those.


On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:15 AM, Stuart Stevenson stus...@gmail.com wrote:

 Guys

 let's look at this a little bit

 You want to keep the slide from attempting to move while the brake is
 engaged.

 Is that the desired machine action?

 If you do not physically mount a switch to the brake how does the control
 know the brake is engaged or not?

 Even if you find a software solution to the control problem the control
 will still not 'KNOW' if the brake is engaged or not.

 With a switch mounted on the brake the speed of the engage/disengage cycle
 is not important to the machine/control loop.

 just my 2 cents

 thanks
 Stuart

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Re: [Emc-users] How to unlock a linear axis

2012-08-15 Thread Spiderdab
Il giorno mer, 15/08/2012 alle 07.15 -0500, Stuart Stevenson ha scritto:
 Guys
 
 let's look at this a little bit
 
 You want to keep the slide from attempting to move while the brake is
 engaged.
 
 Is that the desired machine action?
 
 If you do not physically mount a switch to the brake how does the control
 know the brake is engaged or not?
 
 Even if you find a software solution to the control problem the control
 will still not 'KNOW' if the brake is engaged or not.
 
 With a switch mounted on the brake the speed of the engage/disengage cycle
 is not important to the machine/control loop.
 
 just my 2 cents
 
 thanks
 Stuart
 
..and maybe a simple mid-way-solution can be a relay in parallel with
the brake, so that you'll have a signal when the current phisically goes
to the brake (assuming you're using a normally engaged brake
(no-current)..)

Davide.


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[Emc-users] Problem registering in Forum

2012-08-15 Thread Senthil Seveelavanan
Hi,

I have tried multiple different browser and on different days, but when I
submit my info to register to forum, the page just refreshes and clears
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I want to register a username Chendy

Thanks

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Re: [Emc-users] Fwd: Classicladder standalone - not working

2012-08-15 Thread Klemen Ozebek
Hi,

well thank you all for your help. This is my home computer and I just
wanted to have linuxcnc installe to make some classicladder programs at my
office where is easier to work and then transfer it to my machine PC to
debug them.

I also tried to install machine on virtual box and it is working ok so I'll
use this option, but if someone will have some new suggestions I'm open to
try them.

Best regards.

Klemen

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 Ah, I seem to recall that the Kernel that ships with the LiveCD
 struggles with more than 4 cores. (possibly more than 2)

 The solution might be to recompile the patched kernel. But I have no
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Re: [Emc-users] Problem registering in Forum

2012-08-15 Thread andy pugh
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 I have tried multiple different browser and on different days, but when I
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There is a block on gmail addresses (I think that is a bad idea. I
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Re: [Emc-users] Hey Gene! Hand held O'scope for ya.

2012-08-15 Thread Peter Loron
The Nano is a decent little scope. Very handy and can be easily dropped in your 
gear bag or used on your bench as an extra scope to supplement your bench unit. 

Far better than no scope, although I would recommend having something bigger if 
possible. I've also got one of the DS1052E scopes and it is pretty good for the 
money. It's also quite portable, compared to my old boatanchor scopes.

-Pete
 
On Aug 14, 2012, at 8:12 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:

 On Tuesday 14 August 2012 23:09:35 Jason Burton did opine:
 
 On Aug 14, 2012 9:08 AM, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote:
 On Tuesday 14 August 2012 10:00:30 Mark Wendt did opine:
 Ebay auction #160861790127
 
 Mark
 
 A bit rich ($330) for my budget.  I bought one of the DSO NANO's.  For
 
 what
 
 I want to use it for its adequate.  Unplug the usb charging cable and
 its fully isolated.
 
 Cheers, Gene
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 How do you like the DSO Nano? I've been eyeing them for a while.
 
 About the only thing I haven't mastered is getting the sweep trigger set so 
 I can see the actual trigger.  Other than that, and a miss-match between 
 the probe and its frequency comp that distorts a square wave somewhat, it 
 Just Works(TM).
 
 I didn't expect it to match my Hitachi V-1065, but at 5% of the cost ...
 
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Re: [Emc-users] Hey Gene! Hand held O'scope for ya.

2012-08-15 Thread Fox Mulder
I also got the DS1052E and for the very low price (~280€ without vat) it
has quite much features. The software hack to 100 MHz is also very nice. :)

Ciao,
 Rainer

Am 15.08.2012 23:09, schrieb Peter Loron:
 The Nano is a decent little scope. Very handy and can be easily dropped in 
 your gear bag or used on your bench as an extra scope to supplement your 
 bench unit. 
 
 Far better than no scope, although I would recommend having something bigger 
 if possible. I've also got one of the DS1052E scopes and it is pretty good 
 for the money. It's also quite portable, compared to my old boatanchor scopes.
 
 -Pete
  
 On Aug 14, 2012, at 8:12 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
 
 On Tuesday 14 August 2012 23:09:35 Jason Burton did opine:

 On Aug 14, 2012 9:08 AM, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote:
 On Tuesday 14 August 2012 10:00:30 Mark Wendt did opine:
 Ebay auction #160861790127

 Mark

 A bit rich ($330) for my budget.  I bought one of the DSO NANO's.  For

 what

 I want to use it for its adequate.  Unplug the usb charging cable and
 its fully isolated.

 Cheers, Gene
 --
 There are four boxes...

 How do you like the DSO Nano? I've been eyeing them for a while.

 About the only thing I haven't mastered is getting the sweep trigger set so 
 I can see the actual trigger.  Other than that, and a miss-match between 
 the probe and its frequency comp that distorts a square wave somewhat, it 
 Just Works(TM).

 I didn't expect it to match my Hitachi V-1065, but at 5% of the cost ...

 Cheers, Gene
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Re: [Emc-users] Problem registering in Forum

2012-08-15 Thread Peter Blodow
What's wrong with gmail acounts, anyway? Is this some sort of 
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 On 15 August 2012 16:46, Senthil Seveelavanan s.seveelava...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

   
 I have tried multiple different browser and on different days, but when I
 submit my info to register to forum, the page just refreshes and clears
 everything.
 

 There is a block on gmail addresses (I think that is a bad idea. I
 certainly think it is a bad idea to do that and give no warning)

   
 I want to register a username Chendy
 

 See this post for the workaround:
 http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/component/kunena/?func=viewid=15595catid=29#15595
 (Basically subscribe as s.seveelava...@gmaildot.com and one of the
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Re: [Emc-users] Final user of EMC2.

2012-08-15 Thread a
Hi
Eventually with the help of other point made clear.
Point that file, from icon where pick a program, process of DELETE 
/remove of it need to be simple.
Like –click on file—DELETE ---result file not there any more.
That will be significant help to –“diligent in policing their files”.
EMC2 is a diamond (rough or no) but in constant process of cut to make 
it better and convenient to use for “Final User”.
Question is will it ever happen?

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 I have almost no idea what you are meaning here. But are you saying
 that there are too many files in the file-selection dialog in
 LinuxCNC/Axis?

 andy if you will tell us I think we will all know :) I think he was
 saying its difficult to remove a file but with a large hard drive 
 why
 would you want to

 I guess that the reason for dissatisfaction of original poster is 
 that
 it is hard to find the one right file, if it is hiding among hundreds
 of others.
 So for sake of convenient work it is useful to keep things in order
 and to remove unnecessary files. Or at least put them in other folder
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Re: [Emc-users] Final user of EMC2.

2012-08-15 Thread a
I think problem again here.
I am not talking about UBUNTU.
I am talking about EMC2 2.2.5 and problem in DELETE file -program name- 
from icon on EMC2 where one load new program.
When load file/program into EMC2 --EMC2 2.2.5 in my particular 
case---DELETE those file name.
Is is clear now what i am talking about?




On 2012-08-15 19:05, Stephen Dubovsky wrote:
 Point that file, from icon where pick a program, process of DELETE
 /remove of it need to be simple.


 Ubuntu already does that.  Just like windows.  I don't see how it 
 could be
 made simpler.

 Stephen
 
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[Emc-users] seiberco stepper drive

2012-08-15 Thread Terry Christophersen
A friend of mine is having trouble with his OMAX waterjet.I looked at the drives
and can find no infromation on them.They are model  AIMAX 260-70-X.
This is a mid 90s machine and the computer has failed.He asked me if LinuxCNC
would run it,and I told him I was pretty sure it would.
OMAX wants $5000 for a new computer and if you want tech help with putting
it in that will be an extra 5000. They must only want to sell new waterjets not
have anybody fix old ones.
Anyway has anybody ever used these drives?
 
Thanks 
 
Terry

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Re: [Emc-users] Final user of EMC2.

2012-08-15 Thread John Kasunich
Why do you expect EMC to be different than any other program?

Do you delete word processor files from the file open menu
of the word processor?  Do you delete spreadsheets from the
file open menu of the spreadsheet program?  NO.  You delete
files using your computer's file manager application (or the
command line).

G-code files are no different than spreadsheets or word
processor documents.  They are just files, and you can copy,
delete, or rename them using the operating system just like
any other file.  It would be stupid to duplicate that
functionality in EMC, when the operating system does it better,
and in a standard and well-known way that doesn't require any
extra learning curve.


On Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 09:26 PM, a...@conceptmachinery.com wrote:
 I think problem again here.
 I am not talking about UBUNTU.
 I am talking about EMC2 2.2.5 and problem in DELETE file -program name- 
 from icon on EMC2 where one load new program.
 When load file/program into EMC2 --EMC2 2.2.5 in my particular 
 case---DELETE those file name.
 Is is clear now what i am talking about?
 
 
 
 
 On 2012-08-15 19:05, Stephen Dubovsky wrote:
  Point that file, from icon where pick a program, process of DELETE
  /remove of it need to be simple.
 
 
  Ubuntu already does that.  Just like windows.  I don't see how it 
  could be
  made simpler.
 
  Stephen
  
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Re: [Emc-users] Final user of EMC2.

2012-08-15 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 15 August 2012 22:26:54 John Kasunich did opine:

 Why do you expect EMC to be different than any other program?
 
 Do you delete word processor files from the file open menu
 of the word processor?  Do you delete spreadsheets from the
 file open menu of the spreadsheet program?  NO.  You delete
 files using your computer's file manager application (or the
 command line).
 
 G-code files are no different than spreadsheets or word
 processor documents.  They are just files, and you can copy,
 delete, or rename them using the operating system just like
 any other file.  It would be stupid to duplicate that
 functionality in EMC, when the operating system does it better,
 and in a standard and well-known way that doesn't require any
 extra learning curve.
 
 On Wed, Aug 15, 2012, at 09:26 PM, a...@conceptmachinery.com wrote:
  I think problem again here.
  I am not talking about UBUNTU.
  I am talking about EMC2 2.2.5 and problem in DELETE file -program
  name- from icon on EMC2 where one load new program.
  When load file/program into EMC2 --EMC2 2.2.5 in my particular
  case---DELETE those file name.
  Is is clear now what i am talking about?
  
  On 2012-08-15 19:05, Stephen Dubovsky wrote:
   Point that file, from icon where pick a program, process of DELETE
   /remove of it need to be simple.
   
   Ubuntu already does that.  Just like windows.  I don't see how it
   could be
   made simpler.
   
   Stephen

I for one cannot grasp why the OP wants to delete the file.  Doesn't he 
want to ever make another copy of that part?  What if he had a power 
failure in the middle of that part?  He would be totally screwed and have 
to redesign it before he could make another.

Boggles what mind I have left.

Cheers, Gene
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Re: [Emc-users] Final user of EMC2.

2012-08-15 Thread Chris Radek
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 09:42:18PM -0400, John Kasunich wrote:
 
 Do you delete word processor files from the file open menu
 of the word processor?  Do you delete spreadsheets from the
 file open menu of the spreadsheet program?  NO.

In ms office in windows, you can in fact rename/move/delete
files in the file OPEN dialog box.  It is an abomination.


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[Emc-users] Esc key

2012-08-15 Thread Brian May
I use the esc key alot to stop programs  or turn off the spindle - almost like 
a reset key.  Is there a pin where i can bring this into classic ladder?  I 
have a live tooling motor that i turn on with a custom m-code (m103).  I would 
like it to turn off when i press the esc key.  I currently use another m-code 
to turn it off.  Which i want to keep - but would also like the esc to work.

Thanks
Brian
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Re: [Emc-users] Esc key

2012-08-15 Thread Chris Radek
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 08:24:32PM -0600, Brian May wrote:
 I use the esc key alot to stop programs  or turn off the spindle - almost 
 like a reset key.  Is there a pin where i can bring this into classic ladder? 
  I have a live tooling motor that i turn on with a custom m-code (m103).  I 
 would like it to turn off when i press the esc key.  I currently use another 
 m-code to turn it off.  Which i want to keep - but would also like the esc to 
 work.
 

Do you have either the mist or flood outputs free?  You could use
those mcodes to run it, and then Esc would turn it off.



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Re: [Emc-users] Final user of EMC2.

2012-08-15 Thread N. Christopher Perry


 On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 09:42:18PM -0400, John Kasunich wrote:
 
 Do you delete word processor files from the file open menu
 of the word processor?  Do you delete spreadsheets from the
 file open menu of the spreadsheet program?  NO.
 
 In ms office in windows, you can in fact rename/move/delete
 files in the file OPEN dialog box.  It is an abomination.
 
But, on the other hand, it is very useful.  I use these features on a regular 
basis. 

I'm not terribly interested if it is an 'abominaton' if it helps me get the job 
done.

N.C.

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Re: [Emc-users] Final user of EMC2.

2012-08-15 Thread Chris Morley



 
 I think problem again here.
 I am not talking about UBUNTU.
 I am talking about EMC2 2.2.5 and problem in DELETE file -program name- 
 from icon on EMC2 where one load new program.
 When load file/program into EMC2 --EMC2 2.2.5 in my particular 
 case---DELETE those file name.
 Is is clear now what i am talking about?
 
 

It is clear enough now what you are talking about.

While I don't agree so much with having delete available in the load program
dialog, I see nothing wrong with a delete file option in the GUI.

If I had a production machine that showed the cnc screen full screen, I think
I would find it annoying to minimize the screen and use the file manager.

In fact I could understand cases where I would not want the operator to use
anything but the cnc screen.


Chris M
  
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