Re: [Emc-users] Plasma torch for cnc machine

2014-05-02 Thread a k
Hi
 i am building cnc plasma table.
it is CNC gantry type machine with plasma head.
I want to ask about Jasic Air Plasma machine.
how you start stop plasma - ?
because i need to it be controlled with CNC controller
Did anyone used Jasic Air Plasma machine with CNC - EMC2 controller?

thank you
aram



On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 7:31 AM, Dave Cole linuxcncro...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 4/15/2014 6:20 AM, David Armstrong wrote:
  On 15/04/14 10:59, Viesturs Lācis wrote:
  Hello!
 
  I was thinking about a plasma source like this:
  http://www.ebay.com/itm/251355364995
 
  It is supplied with a torch that is meant for manual operation - the
  problem is that it is angled, not straight, which makes it not only more
  difficult to mount, but also takes up more space and also does not look
  that nice.
 
  I found a torch, whose description says that it is suitable for the
  previously mentioned plasma source:
  http://www.ebay.com/itm/151167833644
 
  The second picture of that listing seems somewhat suspicious - I do not
  see, where the power cable lead should be connected. There is one small
  connector visible, but that certainly is not capable of 100A current.
 
  I would appreciate any advices or links, how other plasma users have
 solved
  this issue.
  Thanks in advance!
 
  Viesturs
 
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  Yes i'd agree it does look not capable of 100A , however they do work
  quite well , Although i'd realy rate them
  at about 60A Max , i have 2 running at 45A and they work fine
 
  i have been tempted just to tear the case off and make my own to suit
  the z Axis and make it more integral to the machine
  but not got around to it as yet .
 
  i'd class these as a Hobbist level , rather than a proffesional torch
  capable of many hours
 
  Dave

 Viesturs,

 Looks like you need to take apart your old manual torch head and attach
 this head.  I see two setscrews in the back of the automatic torch head
 which are likely cable clamps for the power cable lead.

 I have a Cut 60 plasma setup which works ok.   Cuts 1 manually without
 a problem.

 Looks like the Cut100 requires 3 phase power.

 Dave





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Re: [Emc-users] Plasma torch for cnc machine

2014-05-02 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2014-05-02 11:54 GMT+03:00 a k pccncmach...@gmail.com:

 I want to ask about Jasic Air Plasma machine.
 how you start stop plasma - ?
 because i need to it be controlled with CNC controller


That is very simple - replace the manual button with something that is
controlled by cnc controller - either a relay switch or anything else
(optocoupler etc), depending on what kind of signal is going through those
wires. In the welding robot there was a manual MIG welder, which  had 8 V
AC in the control button wires, so it took 2 output drivers on Mesa 7i37 to
handle the AC part, while 8 V was much less of a problem.

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[Emc-users] Plasma torch for cnc machine

2014-05-02 Thread Roland Jollivet
Have a look at this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4knPtYjc2s8. I don't
know if it's just good advertising, but I'd like one..

You also need to be aware of the 'start' methodology. HF noise etc.
But from what I've read, you won't go wrong with Hypertherm.

Roland




On 15 April 2014 11:59, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello!

 I was thinking about a plasma source like this:
 http://www.ebay.com/itm/251355364995

 It is supplied with a torch that is meant for manual operation - the
 problem is that it is angled, not straight, which makes it not only more
 difficult to mount, but also takes up more space and also does not look
 that nice.

 I found a torch, whose description says that it is suitable for the
 previously mentioned plasma source:
 http://www.ebay.com/itm/151167833644

 The second picture of that listing seems somewhat suspicious - I do not
 see, where the power cable lead should be connected. There is one small
 connector visible, but that certainly is not capable of 100A current.

 I would appreciate any advices or links, how other plasma users have solved
 this issue.
 Thanks in advance!

 Viesturs

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Re: [Emc-users] Plasma torch for cnc machine

2014-05-02 Thread a k
hi
Viesturs
who is distribute in USA Jasic or similar plasma cutters?
Do you have contact number?
Is Jasic plasma durable - working good?

thank you
aram


On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 5:07 AM, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.comwrote:

 2014-05-02 11:54 GMT+03:00 a k pccncmach...@gmail.com:

  I want to ask about Jasic Air Plasma machine.
  how you start stop plasma - ?
  because i need to it be controlled with CNC controller
 

 That is very simple - replace the manual button with something that is
 controlled by cnc controller - either a relay switch or anything else
 (optocoupler etc), depending on what kind of signal is going through those
 wires. In the welding robot there was a manual MIG welder, which  had 8 V
 AC in the control button wires, so it took 2 output drivers on Mesa 7i37 to
 handle the AC part, while 8 V was much less of a problem.

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Re: [Emc-users] Plasma torch for cnc machine

2014-05-02 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2014-05-02 21:28 GMT+03:00 a k pccncmach...@gmail.com:

 who is distribute in USA Jasic or similar plasma cutters?
 Do you have contact number?


Since I am Latvia, right on the opposite side of the northern hemisphere
from USA, I doubt I can share anything useful :))


  Is Jasic plasma durable - working good?


One of 3 LinuxCNC users in my country that I am aware of, owns Jasic plasma
source and he recommended them to me.
I personally do not yet have any experience with them.
See few messages back in this very same thread - Dave wrote that it works
quite well.

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Re: [Emc-users] Plasma torch for cnc machine

2014-05-02 Thread jeremy youngs
hypertherm = expensive consumables. i have a friend with one and he borrows
my harbor freight 40 amper because my consumables cost 12 bucks to replace
his are 50. i am leery of h.f tools especially at 650 bucks but alas after
8 yrs of ownership i think this is the best non commerecial plasma cutter
available and definitely the cheapest to run . the torch is a high quality
trafimet. my friend the other day told me if he could sell his ( original
cost of 1200 bucks ) for what an hf unit costs (650) he would do it
immediately. as to the esabs in  a similar price range you get no pilot arc
feature and again high consumable costs. i pondered the purchase for about
2 months going to hf 3 times and reviewing the product. i believe this to
be the single best buy at harbor freight period. yes im a bit proud about
this but after 8 yrs my concerns are no more and this has proven to be an
excellent buy and ovbiously i would not hesitate to recommend one or
replace mine with another if it gave in the ghost tomorrow with another
just like it . well thats my .02 hope it helps



jeremy youngs


On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Roland Jollivet
roland.jolli...@gmail.comwrote:

 Have a look at this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4knPtYjc2s8. I don't
 know if it's just good advertising, but I'd like one..

 You also need to be aware of the 'start' methodology. HF noise etc.
 But from what I've read, you won't go wrong with Hypertherm.

 Roland




 On 15 April 2014 11:59, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hello!
 
  I was thinking about a plasma source like this:
  http://www.ebay.com/itm/251355364995
 
  It is supplied with a torch that is meant for manual operation - the
  problem is that it is angled, not straight, which makes it not only more
  difficult to mount, but also takes up more space and also does not look
  that nice.
 
  I found a torch, whose description says that it is suitable for the
  previously mentioned plasma source:
  http://www.ebay.com/itm/151167833644
 
  The second picture of that listing seems somewhat suspicious - I do not
  see, where the power cable lead should be connected. There is one small
  connector visible, but that certainly is not capable of 100A current.
 
  I would appreciate any advices or links, how other plasma users have
 solved
  this issue.
  Thanks in advance!
 
  Viesturs
 
 
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[Emc-users] Plasma torch for cnc machine

2014-04-15 Thread Viesturs Lācis
Hello!

I was thinking about a plasma source like this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/251355364995

It is supplied with a torch that is meant for manual operation - the
problem is that it is angled, not straight, which makes it not only more
difficult to mount, but also takes up more space and also does not look
that nice.

I found a torch, whose description says that it is suitable for the
previously mentioned plasma source:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/151167833644

The second picture of that listing seems somewhat suspicious - I do not
see, where the power cable lead should be connected. There is one small
connector visible, but that certainly is not capable of 100A current.

I would appreciate any advices or links, how other plasma users have solved
this issue.
Thanks in advance!

Viesturs
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Re: [Emc-users] Plasma torch for cnc machine

2014-04-15 Thread David Armstrong
On 15/04/14 10:59, Viesturs Lācis wrote:
 Hello!

 I was thinking about a plasma source like this:
 http://www.ebay.com/itm/251355364995

 It is supplied with a torch that is meant for manual operation - the
 problem is that it is angled, not straight, which makes it not only more
 difficult to mount, but also takes up more space and also does not look
 that nice.

 I found a torch, whose description says that it is suitable for the
 previously mentioned plasma source:
 http://www.ebay.com/itm/151167833644

 The second picture of that listing seems somewhat suspicious - I do not
 see, where the power cable lead should be connected. There is one small
 connector visible, but that certainly is not capable of 100A current.

 I would appreciate any advices or links, how other plasma users have solved
 this issue.
 Thanks in advance!

 Viesturs
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Yes i'd agree it does look not capable of 100A , however they do work 
quite well , Although i'd realy rate them
at about 60A Max , i have 2 running at 45A and they work fine

i have been tempted just to tear the case off and make my own to suit 
the z Axis and make it more integral to the machine
but not got around to it as yet .

i'd class these as a Hobbist level , rather than a proffesional torch 
capable of many hours

Dave






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Re: [Emc-users] Plasma torch for cnc machine

2014-04-15 Thread Dave Cole
On 4/15/2014 6:20 AM, David Armstrong wrote:
 On 15/04/14 10:59, Viesturs Lācis wrote:
 Hello!

 I was thinking about a plasma source like this:
 http://www.ebay.com/itm/251355364995

 It is supplied with a torch that is meant for manual operation - the
 problem is that it is angled, not straight, which makes it not only more
 difficult to mount, but also takes up more space and also does not look
 that nice.

 I found a torch, whose description says that it is suitable for the
 previously mentioned plasma source:
 http://www.ebay.com/itm/151167833644

 The second picture of that listing seems somewhat suspicious - I do not
 see, where the power cable lead should be connected. There is one small
 connector visible, but that certainly is not capable of 100A current.

 I would appreciate any advices or links, how other plasma users have solved
 this issue.
 Thanks in advance!

 Viesturs
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 Yes i'd agree it does look not capable of 100A , however they do work
 quite well , Although i'd realy rate them
 at about 60A Max , i have 2 running at 45A and they work fine

 i have been tempted just to tear the case off and make my own to suit
 the z Axis and make it more integral to the machine
 but not got around to it as yet .

 i'd class these as a Hobbist level , rather than a proffesional torch
 capable of many hours

 Dave

Viesturs,

Looks like you need to take apart your old manual torch head and attach 
this head.  I see two setscrews in the back of the automatic torch head 
which are likely cable clamps for the power cable lead.

I have a Cut 60 plasma setup which works ok.   Cuts 1 manually without 
a problem.

Looks like the Cut100 requires 3 phase power.

Dave




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