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Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote:

I would forget that old style EV1 type controller.  A Kelly, Altrax or Curtis 
controller is so much better. .  I don't know anyone that would buy that style 
of controller.  Everyone that did home builds did a chopper controller with a 
DC brushed motor.  The more advanced did go to brushless.  Lawrence Rhodes


Well, it depends on your goals.

It's an old car. It's something he built himself, and probably 
understands. It's like fixing a classic car; say, a Model A Ford. If the 
Ford's engine isn't running, you can certainly fix it (they're pretty 
simple, after all). There will be a learning curve if you've never 
worked on one it before. But there are also lots of people who can help.


Or, you can replace it with some new modern engine. It will certainly 
run better; quieter, cleaner, more reliable, etc. But, it will also be a 
LOT of work. Lots of engineering changes. And it is likely to degrade 
the car's value as a classic.


Replacing the old controller is a similar situation. The EV-1 is a good 
controller; it's generally reliable, and is an appropriate technology 
for the times. You have to figure out how to hook it up; but it's 
*meant* to be fairly easy to hook up.


I have two EV-1's. I downloaded the manuals, set them up on the bench 
with an old golf cart motor and a few 12v batteries, and played with the 
wires and switches until that "Aha!" moment when it worked. Yes, the 
manual is confuing at first. But the EVDL was a key factor -- there were 
kind and generous people here that provided the guidance and hints to 
help me succeed.


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Re: [EVDL] George W. Bush--Father of the modem electric car

2018-08-08 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV

Sorry, I can't agree. To me, this plays just like the usual anti-EV, anti-
government, anti-anything-that-slightly-diminishes-my-profits propaganda 
that the deregulation fanatics constantly spout.  

I'm no fan of Elon Musk, but I can't deny that he's something exceedingly 
rare in the corporate world: he actually has a few goals that don't focus on 
making as much money as possible in the least amount of time.

But in general, businesses don't do what's good for all of us.  Often they 
don't even do what's good for themselves in the long run.  We as a society 
have bought into the idea that business's only responsibility is the 
quarterly bottom line, and making dividends for shareholders.  

That's only gotten worse in the last 4 decades of politicians chanting 
"Greed is good," "It's your money," and "Government is the problem."

Since the only thing that business and people understand is money, the only 
way to get them to do what's right is to PAY them for it.  

That's what properly designed subsides do.

For an example of how to do that right, look at Norway's EV subsidies.  For 
an example of how to do it wrong, look at the US's petroleum subsidies and 
tax credits.

As long as we're gushing out corporate welfare to the oil companies, I don't 
see why we shouldn't trickle out a little cash to people in EV subsidies, to 
help counter some of the massive damage that oil does to our world.  

I'm not saying that subsidies and other incentives are perfect answers every 
time.  Sometimes they have unintended consequences.  Grifters and sharpsters 
will always find the loopholes legislators leave in.  But that doesn't mean 
we shouldn't ever try to make things better by using them.

The "invisible hand" the libertarians like to talk about can also be a fist, 
crushing people and the environment in its blind pursuit of maximum profit 
at any cost.  That's why we'll always need governments and legislation.  

We wouldn't be where we are with EVs worldwide, if not for the subsidies.  
There may come a day when we can ease off and phase them out, but that time 
isn't here yet.  Don't let anyone convince you otherwise.

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Re: [EVDL] George W. Bush--Father of the modem electric car

Wow! That was my point. 

These are compliance cars and not very good cars at that. They were forced top 
make them and wouldn't have sold hardly any without the incentive.
Heck, Nissan admitted that their highest selling city was Atlanta. Georgia had 
a $5000 tax credit on top of the $7500. As soon as they remove it sales will go 
to zero because it is a false economy. people always want something cheap or 
free. 

I own a 1-MiEV as well because I live in Alabama and I can go to Atlanta and 
buy a used one for $5000 but i also own a Model 3 and there is no comparison. 
Tesla's will sell no matter what the price because they are good cars. Nissan 
said for years they were loosing money on every car along with the other 
manufacturers.

  From: Willie via EV 
 To: ev@lists.evdl.org 
Cc: Willie 
 Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2018 8:44 AM
 Subject: Re: [EVDL] George W. Bush--Father of the modem electric car

On 08/08/2018 07:45 AM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote:
> H.  I don't agree.  Without the rebate I won't own two Leafs.  Lawrence 
> Rhodes

Without the tax credit, I would not own two imievs.  Probably not even 
one.  The tax credit was nearly half the price of the 2nd imiev and 
nearly one third the price of the first.  For Teslas, the tax credit is 
no more than about 10% of the price.

Tesla has been at a disadvantage compared to lower priced EVs.  And now 
that they are poised to produce an EV priced where the tax credit would 
be significant, their eligibility is going away.

> 
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>    On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 4:44 AM, paul dove wrote:  
>You are correct. Without the rebate all we would have would be Tesla’s of wait 
>the rest of the EVs are cheap quickly done solutions to meet the standards. I 
>am not sure he did us any favors. Elon is certainly not a fan of the tax 
>credit. He says it hurts his sales and I agree.
> 
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>> On Aug 7, 2018, at 8:38 AM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV  wrote:
>>
>> This is something I didn't give much thought to at the time.  Kind of a how 
>> do you like me now situation.. I found this article when I searched "Carl 
>> Rove seen in an electric car." That was after seeing Americans for 
>> Prosperity bashing CAFE standards on the PBS News Hour last Thursday.
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Re: [EVDL] George W. Bush--Father of the modem electric car

2018-08-08 Thread Peri Hartman via EV

Really, it's hard to say. Tesla's high end models would be fine, along 
with other makers who have added EVs to their luxury models. But did the 
tax credit accelerate Nissan's and GM's entry to market? And, later, 
others?


The other factor playing is the fuel economy mandates. Personally, I 
think that is a more effective tool, requiring models across the 
spectrum to be more efficient. You can't meet the mandate just by 
selling 1% EVs. The average has to come from, well, the average sale. At 
first, this might mean substantially higher manufacturing costs, but as 
others have pointed out, economy of scale would quickly bring that down.


Peri

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Tesla started in 2003 well before Bushes action in 2008.
It was going to happen even without the government.

The government just impeded real progress by creating a false economy.

Remember Bush was the one who brought us $100,000 rebate if you buy a 
Humvee 5 years before the $7500 EV credit.



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Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2018 12:47 PM
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Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote:
H.  I don't agree.  Without the rebate I won't own two Leafs.  
Lawrence Rhodes


Me too. Without the rebates and CA mandates, the automakers would never
have produced any EVs.

When a technology has a monopolistic "lock" on the market, and benefits
from all sorts of economies of scale and government incentives, there 
is

no way for a new technology to break into the market. The rebates and
mandates were necessary to allow change to even be possible.

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Re: [EVDL] George W. Bush--Father of the modem electric car

That is what I said.

  From: Lawrence Rhodes 
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Cc: "ev-requ...@lists.evdl.org" 
 Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2018 7:45 AM
 Subject: Re: [EVDL] George W. Bush--Father of the modem electric car

H.  I don't agree.  Without the rebate I won't own two Leafs.  Lawrence 
Rhodes

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 

  On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 4:44 AM, paul dove wrote:   You 
are correct. Without the rebate all we would have would be Tesla’s of wait the 
rest of the EVs are cheap quickly done solutions to meet the standards. I am 
not sure he did us any favors. Elon is certainly not a fan of the tax credit. 
He says it hurts his sales and I agree.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 7, 2018, at 8:38 AM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV  wrote:
> 
> This is something I didn't give much thought to at the time.  Kind of a how 
> do you like me now situation.. I found this article when I searched "Carl 
> Rove seen in an electric car." That was after seeing Americans for Prosperity 
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Re: [EVDL] George W. Bush--Father of the modem electric car

Tesla started in 2003 well before Bushes action in 2008.
It was going to happen even without the government. 

The government just impeded real progress by creating a false economy.

Remember Bush was the one who brought us $100,000 rebate if you buy a Humvee 5 
years before the $7500 EV credit.

  From: Lee Hart via EV 
 To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List  
Cc: Lee Hart 
 Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2018 12:47 PM
 Subject: Re: [EVDL] George W. Bush--Father of the modem electric car

Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote:
> H.  I don't agree.  Without the rebate I won't own two Leafs.  Lawrence 
> Rhodes

Me too. Without the rebates and CA mandates, the automakers would never 
have produced any EVs.

When a technology has a monopolistic "lock" on the market, and benefits 
from all sorts of economies of scale and government incentives, there is 
no way for a new technology to break into the market. The rebates and 
mandates were necessary to allow change to even be possible.

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[EVDL] Open Source BMS

2018-08-08 Thread Gary Krysztopik via EV

It would be nice to get something going here, please join in ...

http://scienceenvy.com/open-bms/

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Re: [EVDL] George W. Bush--Father of the modem electric car

You are correct. Without the rebate all we would have would be Tesla’s of wait 
the rest of the EVs are cheap quickly done solutions to meet the standards. I 
am not sure he did us any favors. Elon is certainly not a fan of the tax 
credit. He says it hurts his sales and I agree.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 7, 2018, at 8:38 AM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV  wrote:
> 
> This is something I didn't give much thought to at the time.  Kind of a how 
> do you like me now situation.. I found this article when I searched "Carl 
> Rove seen in an electric car." That was after seeing Americans for Prosperity 
> bashing CAFE standards on the PBS News Hour last Thursday.
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[EVDL] Re; Still Trying After 34 Years to Get Bucket List GE EV1-B Based EV Car

2018-08-08 Thread Lawrence Rhodes via EV

I would forget that old style EV1 type controller.  A Kelly, Altrax or Curtis 
controller is so much better. .  I don't know anyone that would buy that style 
of controller.  Everyone that did home builds did a chopper controller with a 
DC brushed motor.  The more advanced did go to brushless.  Lawrence Rhodes
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Re: [EVDL] George W. Bush--Father of the modem electric car


Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote:

H.  I don't agree.  Without the rebate I won't own two Leafs.  Lawrence 
Rhodes


Me too. Without the rebates and CA mandates, the automakers would never 
have produced any EVs.


When a technology has a monopolistic "lock" on the market, and benefits 
from all sorts of economies of scale and government incentives, there is 
no way for a new technology to break into the market. The rebates and 
mandates were necessary to allow change to even be possible.


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little worse and sell a little cheaper. Those who consider price
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Re: [EVDL] BMS Master Controller

2018-08-08 Thread bvgandhi via EV

Thanks for sharing that Lee, I was trying to understand from the perspective
of a heavy duty application something like a class 5 truck. I was wondering
, for a pure EV application will an OEM use a Master Controller and expand
it to encompass some of the major VCU functions or would they build a
simpler BMS with a more sophisticated VCU. 

I was thinking that a more sophisticated BMS would allow for better control
of the pack and the VCU can perform auxiliary functions. 


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Re: [EVDL] BMS Master Controller

bvgandhi via EV  wrote:
>> For a BMS of a large battery pack for an automotive application can
>> I have all my slave boards connected to the cells and part of the
>> pack and a master controller outside the battery pack where I can
>> integrate some other control functionality as well?

Cor van de Water via EV wrote:

Sure, as long as the communication to the slave boards is isolated,
preferably on the slave board itself.
That way you just bring 12v plus communication bus to each slave. Almost
every commercial bms works this way. OEM bms typically uses CAN bus.

I took a slightly different approach in my BMS. I route a (fused) wire 
from each cell "+" terminal to a cental relay board. The relay board 
selects two wires (the + and - of the cell to be monitored), and routes 
them to a central controller. The controller has the optical isolation. 
That way, only *one* isolator is needed, rather than one per cell.

This is how the Toyota Prius BMS works as well. Just a thin wire from 
each cell to the central BMS board. The isolation is done on the central 
board.

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Re: [EVDL] George W. Bush--Father of the modem electric car

2018-08-08 Thread Willie via EV





On 08/08/2018 08:52 AM, paul dove wrote:

Wow! That was my point.

These are compliance cars and not very good cars at that. They were 
forced top make them and wouldn't have sold hardly any without the 
incentive.


Heck, Nissan admitted that their highest selling city was Atlanta. 
Georgia had a $5000 tax credit on top of the $7500. As soon as they 
remove it sales will go to zero because it is a false economy. people 
always want something cheap or free.


I own a 1-MiEV as well because I live in Alabama and I can go to Atlanta 
and buy a used one for $5000 but i also own a Model 3 and there is no 
comparison. Tesla's will sell no matter what the price because they are 
good cars. Nissan said for years they were loosing money on every car 
along with the other manufacturers.


No argument here.  Though I love my imievs and drive them when ever the 
range will allow.  The Leaf would be an ok car were it not for the 
crappy short life batteries and poor support.  No such trouble with 
imievs.  Yet.


Obviously, the compliance EV makers COULD have followed Tesla's path: 
make a car with more generous range AND provide charging infrastructure. 
 Not to mention superior support.



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Re: [EVDL] George W. Bush--Father of the modem electric car

2018-08-08 Thread Willie via EV

On 08/08/2018 07:45 AM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote:

H. I don't agree. Without the rebate I won't own two Leafs. Lawrence
Rhodes

Without the tax credit, I would not own two imievs. Probably not even
one. The tax credit was nearly half the price of the 2nd imiev and
nearly one third the price of the first. For Teslas, the tax credit is
no more than about 10% of the price.

Tesla has been at a disadvantage compared to lower priced EVs. And now
that they are poised to produce an EV priced where the tax credit would
be significant, their eligibility is going away.

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 4:44 AM, paul dove wrote: You are correct. Without the rebate all we would have would be Tesla’s of wait the rest of the EVs are cheap quickly done solutions to meet the standards. I am not sure he did us any favors. Elon is certainly not a fan of the tax credit. He says it hurts his sales and I agree.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 7, 2018, at 8:38 AM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote:

This is something I didn't give much thought to at the time. Kind of a how do you like
me now situation.. I found this article when I searched "Carl Rove seen in an
electric car." That was after seeing Americans for Prosperity bashing CAFE standards
on the PBS News Hour last Thursday.
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Re: [EVDL] George W. Bush--Father of the modem electric car

2018-08-08 Thread Lawrence Rhodes via EV

H.  I don't agree.  Without the rebate I won't own two Leafs.  Lawrence 
Rhodes

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 4:44 AM, paul dove wrote:   You 
are correct. Without the rebate all we would have would be Tesla’s of wait the 
rest of the EVs are cheap quickly done solutions to meet the standards. I am 
not sure he did us any favors. Elon is certainly not a fan of the tax credit. 
He says it hurts his sales and I agree.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 7, 2018, at 8:38 AM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV  wrote:
> 
> This is something I didn't give much thought to at the time.  Kind of a how 
> do you like me now situation.. I found this article when I searched "Carl 
> Rove seen in an electric car." That was after seeing Americans for Prosperity 
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http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Hoo-boy-How-Far-Can-You-Push-an-EV-Battery-tp4690816.html
EVLN: Hoo boy> How Far Can You Push an EV Battery?
Just How Far Can You Push an Electric Car Battery?
Jul 31, 2018  There are people out there who straight up think if you crash
an electric car you'll be flooded with battery acid. Hoo boy, my friends;
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EVLN: .008gm of carcinogenic cadmium per VW-EVSE> 124k recall headaches
Volkswagen threatens recall of 124000 electric cars
Bridie Schmidt on 1 August 2018 
A charger containing traces of cadmium is causing headaches for Volkswagen,
which says that because of the presence of the carcinogenic metal, the
German ...
https://reneweconomy.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/VW_2018AL00153_small-590x394.jpg


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http://www.machiningnews.com/2018/07/the-battery-the-heart-of-an-electric-vehicle/
The battery: the heart of an electric vehicle
July 26, 2018   Battery technology will play a major role in product
development across all sectors of the automotive industry with the continual
drive to reduce vehicle emissions ...
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https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/new-york-utilities-want-to-help-you-buy-an-electric-car
Con Edison and National Grid Want to Help You Buy an Electric Car
July 19, 2018  As utilities stare down a future of flat or declining
electricity consumption, electric vehicles offer a glimmer of hope. If
customers suddenly need to buy electricity to ...
https://dqbasmyouzti2.cloudfront.net/assets/content/cache/made/content/images/articles/New_York_Electric_Cars_XL_721_420_80_s_c1.jpg


Join a gym to have EVSE access, shop where you can charge 
The search for a plug drives most electric car owners into a frenzy
August 3, 2018  Electric car owners are desperate for places to charge. When
my friend, Robert, an EV owner, told me he has a membership at LA Fitness
that gives him EVSE access ...
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[EVDL] EVLN: .008gm of carcinogenic cadmium per VW-EVSE> 124k recall headaches



https://reneweconomy.com.au/volkswagen-threatens-recall-of-124000-electric-cars-86876/
Volkswagen threatens recall of 124,000 electric cars
1 August 2018  Bridie Schmidt  Source: Volkswagen

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A charger containing traces of cadmium is causing headaches for Volkswagen,
which says that because of the presence of the carcinogenic metal, the
German automaker may be forced to recall 124,000 electric and hybrid
vehicles.

The toxic heavy metal was once used to plate trims on many vintage vehicles,
but it is now banned for use in most car parts due to its cancer-causing
effects.

A supplier, who has not been named by the company, had not indicated that
the toxic heavy metal had been used in the chargers it supplied to the
automaker for installation in battery-electric and hybrid vehicles made
under the Volkswagen, Audi and Porsche brand names between 2013 and June
2018.

Traces of the toxic heavy metal were detected in small amounts by the
company on July 20, with each charger containing 0.008 grams of cadmium per
charger.

Reports say that the automaker took immediate action, stopping production
and delivery of vehicles concerned and informing Germany’s Federal Motor
Transport Authority (KBA).

The cadmium is present in a relay that resides inside a solid housing within
the charger, and the company says that drivers are not at risk of exposure.

The presence of the heavy metal does however pose a risk to technicians who
may come in contact with the component, and may not conform with European
end-of-life regulations.

The 124,000 affected vehicles are not yet being recalled, as Volkswagen
awaits a verdict from the KBA to clarify if the chargers breach health and
safety standards, however production has resumed with cadmium-free chargers
now being sourced from another supplier.

It is not the first controversy withstood by the nearly 80-year-strong car
manufacturer. In September 2015, the company announced the need to refit 11
million vehicles worldwide after being issued an emissions violation notice
by the United States Environmental Protection Agency (EPA).

Although the automaker has promised to launch a new electric vehicle
‘virtually every month‘, there are no electric VWs currently available in
Australia and so Aussie consumers are not affected by the recall. 
[© RenewEconomy 2018]


https://www.electrive.com/2018/08/01/poisonous-cadmium-found-in-vws-ev-charging-plugs/
Poisonous cadmium found in VW's EV charging plugs
Aug 1, 2018 ... A supplier delivered charging components infected with
cadmium to VW, Audi and Porsche ... The chargers were installed over the
past six years, affecting the majority of both battery-electric and plug-in
hybrid vehicles by VW, Audi and Porsche. A recall ...
https://www.electrive.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/volkswagen-e-golf-2017-fv-elektroauto-typ-2.png


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https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/new-york-utilities-want-to-help-you-buy-an-electric-car
Con Edison and National Grid Want to Help You Buy an Electric Car
July 19, 2018  As utilities stare down a future of flat or declining
electricity consumption, electric vehicles offer a glimmer of hope. If
customers suddenly need to buy electricity to ...
https://dqbasmyouzti2.cloudfront.net/assets/content/cache/made/content/images/articles/New_York_Electric_Cars_XL_721_420_80_s_c1.jpg




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https://jalopnik.com/just-how-far-can-you-push-an-electric-car-battery-1827929360
Just How Far Can You Push an Electric Car Battery?
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Huge Crash In Formula E's First Ever Race! - Prost vs Heidfeld Accident
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It weighs 440 pounds, it endures temperatures up to 140 degrees, and it’s
been on a four-year stint that amounts to the same distance as going around
the earth and then some. Not my luggage, despite what you might assume, but
the absolute unit at the back of the first generation of Formula E race
cars. Slapping the roof of this bad boy would earn you a disapproving look
from the engineers but you can fit 33,865 miles of racing without a single
failure inside it.

And the thing that’s extraordinary is it hasn’t changed since 2014.

These chunky boys have been a permanent feature of the Formula E paddock—not
just the 40 inside the cars, but spares being wheeled round that you can get
a good look at. They stand out because even on a flatbed trolley they come
up to my waist, and are roughly the dimensions of a phone box, width-wise.

They had their swan song in New York a few weekends ago. The final race of
Generation 1, the last time these troopers were going to power the cars that
were built around them. The final of around 50 full charge cycles each
undertakes during a season, blinking down to 1 and then zero percent for the
last time.

Next year’s season, Formula E’s fifth, will see an updated battery powering
the Gen 2 cars; only 110 pounds heavier, the speed of advancement since 2014
means it will go the race distance with no car swap. It almost doubles the
energy storage of the first generation, dealing with 66 percent higher
output and 100 percent higher regeneration than these were originally built
for.

But the first effort shouldn’t go out unnoticed. It’s easy to get excited
about the future, but the case could be made that these batteries were the
unsung heroes of a rising global series, one that moves along with the race
toward better, faster, longer-lasting batteries for everything from laptops
to cars to e-cigarettes—the future of power itself.

When the battery was designed by Williams Advanced Engineering back in 2014,
no one really knew if you could make a viable, believable electric race car.
At the time, Formula One was still getting its head around having its own,
relatively tiny batteries (or “energy stores” in case your masculinity was
impinged by the concept of lithium-ion) and the idea of trying to bang
something round at race-pace on electricity alone was pretty buck wild.

We’ve sort of forgotten that in the interim because it—slightly
unexpectedly—worked. Forty cars using forty batteries went out at race one
and every Eprix since.

They’ve got prospects beyond that, but in all the champagne and sponsorship,
there’s an integral part of the cars that’s never got up on the podium. The
batteries have stood fast for four seasons, despite doubts they could even
work at the time.

Doing What’s Never Been Done

There’ve only ever been two on-track battery failures, and none for the last
two seasons. With only one allocated battery per car per season that’s a lot
of mileage, before you even account for the constant charging and
discharging they undergo.

From the outset, the spec of the battery was thus: 28kWh of lithium ion good
times, discharging into and being charged from the powertrain of the cars
during race conditions. That’s a hefty 45kWh (or so) less than the most
basic Tesla, because the idea of Formula E is that it tests the kind of tech
an average hatchback is going to work with, while extracting supercar-grade
performance.

In fact it’s actually got less storage capacity than a 2016 Nissan Leaf,
which rolls around with a mere 30kWh. The thing is, Formula E batteries
aren’t going to output the charge it takes to tootle you round a journey to
the supermarket and back; they’re going to slam it to the left, shake it to
the right and probably lift and coast a bit on the straights depending on
regenerative temperatures.

The life of a Formula E battery makes a road EV’s look trivial; smacked
sideways into a barrier at 10 a.m.? Better be ready for qualifying at 12,
kid. And the temperatures—they’re limited to a relatively safe 60C (140
degrees F) which Williams have confirmed to me they haven’t exceeded, but

[EVDL] Tesla privatisation intention confirmed ...



https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/article/2001291156/us-top-electric-car-maker-set-for-privatisation
Tesla CEO confirms intention to privatise US top electric car maker
August 8th 2018  US top electronic auto maker Tesla CEO Elon Musk has
confirmed that he wants to take Tesla private. In an email to all Tesla
employees earlier Tuesday, Musk said he is going to take Tesla private ...
Founded in 2003, Tesla launched its initial public offering (IPO) on NASDAQ
on June 29, 2010, and the IPO raised 226 million dollars for the company.
Tesla saw its market cap at about 42 billion dollars in April 2018 ...
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