Re: [expert] VNC server bad display on all MDK 9.1 machines

2003-09-10 Thread Greg Meyer
On Wednesday 10 September 2003 09:16 pm, James Sparenberg wrote:
> On Wed, 2003-09-10 at 14:16, James D. Parra wrote:
> > Thank you for all of your responses. One question though, update the gt on
> > the host vnc machines or the clients? My vncviewer works well from my
> > Mandrake box to any non-Mandrake 9.1 vnc host.
> > 
> > Thanks again.
> > 
> > James
> 
> On the 9.1 box.  It's by default got render as compiled in, and VNC
> doesn't handle that one well.
> 
It's actually qt that is crashing, and it will happen on any display that does 
not support the render extension, including vnc, XFree86 3.3.6, XForbserver, 
etc.  libqt must be updated on the host machine.
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RE: [expert] VNC server bad display on all MDK 9.1 machines

2003-09-10 Thread James Sparenberg
On Wed, 2003-09-10 at 14:16, James D. Parra wrote:
> Thank you for all of your responses. One question though, update the gt on
> the host vnc machines or the clients? My vncviewer works well from my
> Mandrake box to any non-Mandrake 9.1 vnc host.
> 
> Thanks again.
> 
> James

On the 9.1 box.  It's by default got render as compiled in, and VNC
doesn't handle that one well.

James

> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: James Sparenberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 11:16 AM
> To: Expert List
> Subject: Re: [expert] VNC server bad display on all MDK 9.1 machines
> 
> 
> On Wed, 2003-09-10 at 10:03, James D. Parra wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > When running VNC server (and tightvnc server) from any Mandrake 9.1
> machine,
> > any attempt to connect to vnc host results in only the wallpaper
> displaying
> > and nothing else. This appears to be an inherent problem with the MDK 9.1
> > build; how is this resolved?  Your responses are greatly appreciated.
> > 
> > Many thanks in advance.
> > 
> > James 
> 
> go here. 
> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/contrib/texstar/mandrake/vncf
> ix/
> 
> grab the rpms and update libqt... restart X (cntrl-alt-backspace) and
> you should be good to go.  It's actually a conflict surrounding true
> type fonts.  In theory the fonts get less clear when you do this.  But
> danged if I can see it.  (Texstar claims he can.. I can't) 
> 
> James
> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Re: [expert] VNC server bad display on all MDK 9.1 machines

2003-09-10 Thread Greg Meyer
On Wednesday 10 September 2003 01:08 pm, Bryan Phinney wrote:
> On Wednesday 10 September 2003 01:03 pm, James D. Parra wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > When running VNC server (and tightvnc server) from any Mandrake 9.1
> > machine, any attempt to connect to vnc host results in only the wallpaper
> > displaying and nothing else. This appears to be an inherent problem with
> > the MDK 9.1 build; how is this resolved?  Your responses are greatly
> > appreciated.
> 
> I suspect that this is the infamous anti-aliased fonts compiled into the 
> qtlibraries bug.  Suffered from this one myself.  If you go to the Texstar 
> repository off of http://pclinuxonline.com site, you should be able to 
> download a fix for this issue which will remove the AA fonts from the qt 
> libraries and enable tightvnc to work.
> 
> If you have problems, let me know and I will send a direct link to the 
source 
> repository for those rpm's.
> 
There is also an official Mandrake update for this now available from any of 
the update mirrors.
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Re: [expert] VNC server bad display on all MDK 9.1 machines

2003-09-10 Thread Bryan Phinney
On Wednesday 10 September 2003 05:16 pm, James D. Parra wrote:
> Thank you for all of your responses. One question though, update the gt on
> the host vnc machines or the clients? My vncviewer works well from my
> Mandrake box to any non-Mandrake 9.1 vnc host.
>
> Thanks again.
>
> James
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RE: [expert] VNC server bad display on all MDK 9.1 machines

2003-09-10 Thread James D. Parra
Thank you for all of your responses. One question though, update the gt on
the host vnc machines or the clients? My vncviewer works well from my
Mandrake box to any non-Mandrake 9.1 vnc host.

Thanks again.

James


-Original Message-
From: James Sparenberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 11:16 AM
To: Expert List
Subject: Re: [expert] VNC server bad display on all MDK 9.1 machines


On Wed, 2003-09-10 at 10:03, James D. Parra wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> When running VNC server (and tightvnc server) from any Mandrake 9.1
machine,
> any attempt to connect to vnc host results in only the wallpaper
displaying
> and nothing else. This appears to be an inherent problem with the MDK 9.1
> build; how is this resolved?  Your responses are greatly appreciated.
> 
> Many thanks in advance.
> 
> James 

go here. 
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/contrib/texstar/mandrake/vncf
ix/

grab the rpms and update libqt... restart X (cntrl-alt-backspace) and
you should be good to go.  It's actually a conflict surrounding true
type fonts.  In theory the fonts get less clear when you do this.  But
danged if I can see it.  (Texstar claims he can.. I can't) 

James

> 
> 
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Re: [expert] VNC server bad display on all MDK 9.1 machines

2003-09-10 Thread James Sparenberg
On Wed, 2003-09-10 at 10:03, James D. Parra wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> When running VNC server (and tightvnc server) from any Mandrake 9.1 machine,
> any attempt to connect to vnc host results in only the wallpaper displaying
> and nothing else. This appears to be an inherent problem with the MDK 9.1
> build; how is this resolved?  Your responses are greatly appreciated.
> 
> Many thanks in advance.
> 
> James 

go here. 
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/contrib/texstar/mandrake/vncfix/

grab the rpms and update libqt... restart X (cntrl-alt-backspace) and
you should be good to go.  It's actually a conflict surrounding true
type fonts.  In theory the fonts get less clear when you do this.  But
danged if I can see it.  (Texstar claims he can.. I can't) 

James

> 
> 
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RE: [expert] VNC server bad display on all MDK 9.1 machines

2003-09-10 Thread JOHAM,DAVID (HP-Boise,ex1)

you need to update your version of QT. You can do this in your mandrake
control center...

David

-Original Message-
From: James D. Parra [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 11:04 AM
To: Mandrake-List (E-mail)
Subject: [expert] VNC server bad display on all MDK 9.1 machines


Hello,

When running VNC server (and tightvnc server) from any Mandrake 9.1 machine,
any attempt to connect to vnc host results in only the wallpaper displaying
and nothing else. This appears to be an inherent problem with the MDK 9.1
build; how is this resolved?  Your responses are greatly appreciated.

Many thanks in advance.

James 



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Re: [expert] VNC server bad display on all MDK 9.1 machines

2003-09-10 Thread Bryan Phinney
On Wednesday 10 September 2003 01:03 pm, James D. Parra wrote:
> Hello,
>
> When running VNC server (and tightvnc server) from any Mandrake 9.1
> machine, any attempt to connect to vnc host results in only the wallpaper
> displaying and nothing else. This appears to be an inherent problem with
> the MDK 9.1 build; how is this resolved?  Your responses are greatly
> appreciated.

I suspect that this is the infamous anti-aliased fonts compiled into the 
qtlibraries bug.  Suffered from this one myself.  If you go to the Texstar 
repository off of http://pclinuxonline.com site, you should be able to 
download a fix for this issue which will remove the AA fonts from the qt 
libraries and enable tightvnc to work.

If you have problems, let me know and I will send a direct link to the source 
repository for those rpm's.

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Re: [expert] VNC Gray Screen on Mandrake 9.1

2003-07-30 Thread James Sparenberg
On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 01:50, Sevatio wrote:
> thanks, but that still doesn't work.  Something tells me that I need to 
> do a fresh install of LM9.1 instead of upgrading from LM9.0 to LM9.1.  I 
> just can't think of anything else that could be the problem.

Sevatio,

   Can you send a list via rpm -qa | grep kde and rpm -qa | grep qt to
the list... I'd like to compare what you have to what I've had working.

James

> 
> JOHAM,DAVID (HP-Boise,ex1) wrote:
> > Here's my .vnc/xstartup file. It launches KDE in the background
> > 
> > 
> > #!/bin/sh
> > 
> > # Mandrake Linux VNC session startup script
> > exec /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc KDE
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Sevatio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 2:07 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: [expert] VNC Gray Screen on Mandrake 9.1
> > 
> > 
> > How do I get my vncserver on Mandrake 9.1 to display something other 
> > than a gray screen with an "x" mouse cursor?  I've already done the qt3 
> > updates.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [expert] VNC Gray Screen on Mandrake 9.1

2003-07-30 Thread Kwan Lowe
On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 04:50, Sevatio wrote:
> thanks, but that still doesn't work.  Something tells me that I need to 
> do a fresh install of LM9.1 instead of upgrading from LM9.0 to LM9.1.  I 
> just can't think of anything else that could be the problem.

Sorry if this sounds harsh -- I don't mean it to be.

Replacing the OS because you can't get a program to work is terribly
Microsoftish. The fact that you can get VNC to show a gray screen means
that VNC is not at fault, your Window Manager is (or at least how you're
starting the WM is).

Try running something simple, such as an xterm, from withing the
vncstartup. Then, try using "startkde" instead. Post your error logs,
config files, etc.. 


> 
> JOHAM,DAVID (HP-Boise,ex1) wrote:
> > Here's my .vnc/xstartup file. It launches KDE in the background
> > 
> > 
> > #!/bin/sh
> > 
> > # Mandrake Linux VNC session startup script
> > exec /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc KDE
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Sevatio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 2:07 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: [expert] VNC Gray Screen on Mandrake 9.1
> > 
> > 
> > How do I get my vncserver on Mandrake 9.1 to display something other 
> > than a gray screen with an "x" mouse cursor?  I've already done the qt3 
> > updates.



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Re: [expert] VNC Gray Screen on Mandrake 9.1

2003-07-30 Thread Jack Coates
Why replace the whole OS to fix one relatively minor subsystem? A safer
way to the same result might be this one-liner:

for i in `rpm -qa | grep vnc`; do rpm -qc $i; done

Then go look at the files that are listed -- particularly looking for
*.rpmnew or *.~.

Another option is to urpme all your vnc packages, rename or delete any
vnc config in /etc or your home directory, then urpmi the vnc packages
you want.

Jack

On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 01:50, Sevatio wrote:
> thanks, but that still doesn't work.  Something tells me that I need to 
> do a fresh install of LM9.1 instead of upgrading from LM9.0 to LM9.1.  I 
> just can't think of anything else that could be the problem.
> 
> JOHAM,DAVID (HP-Boise,ex1) wrote:
> > Here's my .vnc/xstartup file. It launches KDE in the background
> > 
> > 
> > #!/bin/sh
> > 
> > # Mandrake Linux VNC session startup script
> > exec /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc KDE
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Sevatio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 2:07 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: [expert] VNC Gray Screen on Mandrake 9.1
> > 
> > 
> > How do I get my vncserver on Mandrake 9.1 to display something other 
> > than a gray screen with an "x" mouse cursor?  I've already done the qt3 
> > updates.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [expert] VNC Gray Screen on Mandrake 9.1

2003-07-30 Thread Sevatio
thanks, but that still doesn't work.  Something tells me that I need to 
do a fresh install of LM9.1 instead of upgrading from LM9.0 to LM9.1.  I 
just can't think of anything else that could be the problem.

JOHAM,DAVID (HP-Boise,ex1) wrote:
Here's my .vnc/xstartup file. It launches KDE in the background

#!/bin/sh

# Mandrake Linux VNC session startup script
exec /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc KDE
-Original Message-
From: Sevatio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 2:07 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [expert] VNC Gray Screen on Mandrake 9.1
How do I get my vncserver on Mandrake 9.1 to display something other 
than a gray screen with an "x" mouse cursor?  I've already done the qt3 
updates.





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RE: [expert] VNC Gray Screen on Mandrake 9.1

2003-07-24 Thread JOHAM,DAVID (HP-Boise,ex1)

Here's my .vnc/xstartup file. It launches KDE in the background


#!/bin/sh

# Mandrake Linux VNC session startup script
exec /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc KDE


-Original Message-
From: Sevatio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 2:07 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [expert] VNC Gray Screen on Mandrake 9.1


How do I get my vncserver on Mandrake 9.1 to display something other 
than a gray screen with an "x" mouse cursor?  I've already done the qt3 
updates.



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Re: [expert] VNC Gray Screen on Mandrake 9.1

2003-07-24 Thread Mark Belanger
On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 01:06:49 -0700
Sevatio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> How do I get my vncserver on Mandrake 9.1 to display something other 
> than a gray screen with an "x" mouse cursor?  I've already done the qt3 
> updates.

Look at your ~/.vnc/xstartup file and see what window manager
is is trying to start.  If you can run it by hand you
it should start from vnc.

As a workaround, you should be able to set your DISPLAY
to the VNC display i.e. "typeset -x DISPLAY=:1" and
launch an xterm.  From there you can start your window
manager i.e startgnome, starticewm, etc.

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Re: [expert] VNC Gray Screen on Mandrake 9.1

2003-07-24 Thread James Sparenberg
On Thu, 2003-07-24 at 01:06, Sevatio wrote:
> How do I get my vncserver on Mandrake 9.1 to display something other 
> than a gray screen with an "x" mouse cursor?  I've already done the qt3 
> updates.

Sevatio,

   Did you upgrade to the newest from MDK or from Texstar's "VNC fix"? 
The difference is that the ones for vnc don't have render compiled in as
the default.  

James



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Re: [expert] VNC Server & Mandrake Control Center

2002-07-22 Thread Alan Shoemaker

msh wrote:
> I'm running MDK 8.2 and I don't have a
> /etc//etc/sysconfig/vncservers file
>
> Is there anyplace else I should look.

that sure sounds like the vnc-server packages are not 
installed, type:

urpmi vnc-server 
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Re: [expert] VNC Server & Mandrake Control Center

2002-07-21 Thread Todd Lyons

msh wrote on Sun, Jul 21, 2002 at 10:35:43PM -0500 :
> I'm running MDK 8.2 and I don't have a /etc//etc/sysconfig/vncservers
> file

You don't seem to be running a Mandrake package then.  Not sure what to
tell you.  Look where the files should be:

[todd@todd todd]$ urpmf vncserver
vnc-server:/etc/rc.d/init.d/vncserver
vnc-server:/etc/sysconfig/vncservers
vnc-server:/usr/bin/vncserver
vnc-server:/usr/share/man/man1/vncserver.1.bz2

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Re: [expert] VNC Server & Mandrake Control Center

2002-07-21 Thread msh

I'm running MDK 8.2 and I don't have a /etc//etc/sysconfig/vncservers
file

Is there anyplace else I should look.

sysconfig/vncservers
On Sat, 2002-07-20 at 12:34, James T. Nelson III wrote:
> You need to modify '/etc/sysconfig/vncservers' for this to work.  Info 
> is in the file.
> 
> logic7 wrote:
> 
> >I've noticed that as well. Any thoughts?
> >
> >
> >- Original Message -
> >From: "M.S. Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 1:50 PM
> >Subject: Re: [expert] VNC Server & Mandrake Control Center
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >>I have the same question.
> >>
> >>On Sat, 2002-07-20 at 11:35, Sevatio wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>When you run VNC Server from Mandrake Control Center/System/Services,
> >>>what exactly is the Mandrake Control Center running?  I ask this because
> >>>I can't vnc into the machine unless I first go into the console and
> >>>manually run "vncserver".
> >>>
> >>>Thanks,
> >>>Sevatio
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  
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Re: [expert] VNC access to Display:0 ?

2002-07-21 Thread Todd Lyons

Sevatio wrote on Sun, Jul 21, 2002 at 11:14:35AM -0700 :
> LM8.2
> 
> How do you get the vncserver to allow access to screen 0?  Having the 
> ability for several virtual screens is nice but for this instance I just 
> want to remotely control my current desktop.

Edit the /etc/sysconfig/vncservers file.

If I'm understanding you correctly, you want your regular desktop to be
remote controlled (kind of like screen, but for X)?  I've never tried
that, but vnc will not do that for you.  Running rfbdrake might be the
answer for you there.

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RE: [expert] VNC & KDE...

2001-08-28 Thread Ron Heron

I don't get it.  First, you refer to different window managers, then
getting the java client to work.  I'll try to help on both:

As for window managers, you simply specify in the config file what to use.

quote from the docs ( http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/docs.html ):

"The script ~/.vnc/xstartup is executed after the server starts.  If you
want to change the window manager used in your VNC desktop, for example,
this is where you should do it."

As for the java client, read the docs, here is an exerpt:

"Because Java applets can only make connections back to the machine from
which they were served, each of the VNC servers actually incorporates a
small web server.  This runs on port 58xx, where xx is the display number,
and will only serve the Java applet classes and an HTML page which
contains them. 
This means that you should be able to point any Java-capable browser at,
for example: 

http://snoopy:5802/

and you should, after a short pause, be able to connect to your VNC
session. 

If you are using the X-based VNC server, you may need to specify the
directory which contains the class files in the vncserver script.  The
Win32 server has the classes embedded in the server itself. 

Java implementations seem to vary widely both in how fast they can read
from the network and how fast they can draw to the screen.  It's worth
using the Options dialog to experiment with different encoding schemes for
any given network and browser. "

I think the confusion may come from the fact that the Window Manager is
not controled by the client, but by the server. 

Good luck,

Ron


--- Thierry De Corte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I was talking about how to configure the server to get the java client
> to work.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: David Joham [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 11:49 AM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  RE: [expert] VNC & KDE...
> 
> 
> I use the standard VNC client all the time. Are you talking about that,
> or are you talking about the server?
> 
> David
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Vincent A.Primavera [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 5:31 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [expert] VNC & KDE...
> 
> 
> Hello,
>   Does anyone use KDE with VNC or any other window managers
> besides what comes 
> up as default?  And if so how?
>   
>   Thank you,
>   Vincent A. Primavera
> 
> 
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Re: [expert] VNC & KDE...

2001-08-28 Thread Vincent A.Primavera

Hello,
In the $defaultXStartup part of the config(vncserver) what command are you 
putting in to start KDE?

Thank you,
Vincent A. Primavera

P.S.I have gotten the Java client to work.  Yes, it is slow.

On Tuesday 28 August 2001 17:19, Thierry De Corte wrote:
> I was talking about how to configure the server to get the java client to
> work.
>
> -Original Message-
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> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  RE: [expert] VNC & KDE...
>
>
> I use the standard VNC client all the time. Are you talking about that,
> or are you talking about the server?
>
> David
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Vincent A.Primavera [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 5:31 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [expert] VNC & KDE...
>
>
> Hello,
>   Does anyone use KDE with VNC or any other window managers
> besides what comes
> up as default?  And if so how?
>
>   Thank you,
>   Vincent A. Primavera
>
>
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RE: [expert] VNC & KDE...

2001-08-28 Thread Thierry De Corte

I was talking about how to configure the server to get the java client to work.

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I use the standard VNC client all the time. Are you talking about that,
or are you talking about the server?

David

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Subject: [expert] VNC & KDE...


Hello,
Does anyone use KDE with VNC or any other window managers
besides what comes 
up as default?  And if so how?
  
Thank you,
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RE: [expert] VNC & KDE...

2001-08-28 Thread David Joham


I use the standard VNC client all the time. Are you talking about that,
or are you talking about the server?

David

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Subject: [expert] VNC & KDE...


Hello,
Does anyone use KDE with VNC or any other window managers
besides what comes 
up as default?  And if so how?
  
Thank you,
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RE: [expert] VNC & KDE...

2001-08-28 Thread Thierry De Corte

I'm using VNC with KDE without problems... And yes, the java client is working. Try 
./Xvnc -httpd dir_of_classes -httpport port
Then try to connect your browser to the specified port.

You should change /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers to add a line for a vnc server... Your line 
should look like:

:1 local /usr/bin/vnx/Xvnc :1 -httpd dir_of_vnc_classes -httpport 5801  -geometry 
:1024x768 -depth 32

Since the java client is slow, you should use instead a plateform specific client...

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Sent:   Tuesday, August 28, 2001 8:22 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Balaji Ramani
Subject:        Re: [expert] VNC & KDE...

Hello,
Got it.  Is anyone using the Java client that I hear of?

Thank you,
Vincent A. Primavera


On Tuesday 28 August 2001 16:12, Balaji Ramani wrote:
> Edit ~/.vnc/xstartup
>
> Balaji
>
> On Tuesday 28 August 2001 07:30 am, you wrote:
> > Hello,
> > Does anyone use KDE with VNC or any other window managers besides what
> > comes up as default?  And if so how?
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Vincent A. Primavera


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RE: [expert] VNC & KDE...

2001-08-28 Thread Thierry De Corte

I'm using VNC with KDE without problems... And yes, the java client is working. Try 
./Xvnc -httpd dir_of_classes -httpport port
Then try to connect your browser to the specified port.

You should change /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers to add a line for a vnc server... Your line 
should look like:

:1 local /usr/bin/vnx/Xvnc :1 -httpd dir_of_vnc_classes -httpport 5801  -geometry 
:1024x768 -depth 32

Since the java client is slow, you should use instead a plateform specific client...

-Original Message-
From:   Vincent A.Primavera [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent:   Tuesday, August 28, 2001 8:22 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Balaji Ramani
Subject:        Re: [expert] VNC & KDE...

Hello,
Got it.  Is anyone using the Java client that I hear of?

Thank you,
Vincent A. Primavera


On Tuesday 28 August 2001 16:12, Balaji Ramani wrote:
> Edit ~/.vnc/xstartup
>
> Balaji
>
> On Tuesday 28 August 2001 07:30 am, you wrote:
> > Hello,
> > Does anyone use KDE with VNC or any other window managers besides what
> > comes up as default?  And if so how?
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Vincent A. Primavera


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Re: [expert] VNC & KDE...

2001-08-28 Thread Vincent A.Primavera

Hello,
Got it.  Is anyone using the Java client that I hear of?

Thank you,
Vincent A. Primavera


On Tuesday 28 August 2001 16:12, Balaji Ramani wrote:
> Edit ~/.vnc/xstartup
>
> Balaji
>
> On Tuesday 28 August 2001 07:30 am, you wrote:
> > Hello,
> > Does anyone use KDE with VNC or any other window managers besides what
> > comes up as default?  And if so how?
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Vincent A. Primavera


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Re: [expert] VNC & KDE...

2001-08-28 Thread Balaji Ramani

Edit ~/.vnc/xstartup

Balaji

On Tuesday 28 August 2001 07:30 am, you wrote:
> Hello,
>   Does anyone use KDE with VNC or any other window managers besides what
> comes up as default?  And if so how?
>
>   Thank you,
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Re: [expert] Vnc- Server

2001-04-29 Thread Sylvain GIL

On Sat, Apr 28, 2001 at 09:13:23PM -1100, tml tml wrote:
> Hi,

Hi,

> Any good links or URL, for setting vnc-server?

Please install vnc-doc package (vnc-doc-3.3.3r1-1mdk) then read the
content of /usr/share/doc/vnc-doc-3.3.3r1/ directory.

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Re: [expert] VNC

2000-09-28 Thread alphers

I remember not being very succesful with getting desktop environments to 
work(like gnome or kde)  It was very easy to get the enlightenment window 
manager to work but not with some environment running on top of it.  I pretty 
much just stuck with fvwm2.  not as good as gnome but it looks a hell of a lot 
better than twm.
Sam.



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Re: [expert] VNC

2000-09-28 Thread Aravind Sadagopan


type gnome-session
Cheers
Aravind S
Richard Humphrey wrote:
 
Anyone have a clue what command to start Gnome is?
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> According to the VNC FAQ#15 it says to modify my xstartup
script to change
> from the default window manager (twm) to whatever i
want it to start. I
> am using Helix Gnome/Enlightenment and was wondering
if anyone has
> successfully made this work. I am not familiar with
scripts and i don't
> know what i should change twm to, to get Gnome/Enlightenment
to work.
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I have in ~/.vnc/ executable file name "xstartup" and
in it is "startkde &"
on the last line. Put gnome start command instead there.
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RE: [expert] VNC

2000-09-28 Thread Richard Humphrey
Title: RE: [expert] VNC





Anyone have a clue what command to start Gnome is?



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> According to the VNC FAQ#15 it says to modify my xstartup script to change
> from the default window manager (twm) to whatever i want it to start. I
> am using Helix Gnome/Enlightenment and was wondering if anyone has
> successfully made this work. I am not familiar with scripts and i don't
> know what i should change twm to, to get Gnome/Enlightenment to work.
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I have in ~/.vnc/ executable file name "xstartup" and in it is "startkde &"
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Re: [expert] VNC

2000-09-27 Thread Simon Golicnik


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Subject: [expert] VNC


> According to the VNC FAQ#15 it says to modify my xstartup script to change
> from the default window manager (twm) to whatever i want it to start. I
> am using Helix Gnome/Enlightenment and was wondering if anyone has
> successfully made this work. I am not familiar with scripts and i don't
> know what i should change twm to, to get Gnome/Enlightenment to work.
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I have in ~/.vnc/ executable file name "xstartup" and in it is "startkde &"
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Re: [expert] VNC & 1280x1024

2000-09-02 Thread Ellick Chan

On Fri, 1 Sep 2000, Sridhar G wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> My LM system video is configured at 1024x768. I am currently using VNC
> client on my Win 2000 monitor using a resolution of 1280x1024. I'd like to
> use the VNC client at the same resolution of 1280x1024. Is there any
> parameter to start the VNC Server at this res.

Yes, edit /usr/bin/vncserver, the following line:
$geometry = "1024x768";
to
$geometry = "1280x1024";

> 
> Cheers
> Sridhar
> 
> 
> 

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Re: [expert] VNC & 1280x1024

2000-09-01 Thread Sridhar G

Bob,

It works,

Thanks
Sridhar

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Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 9:28 PM
Subject: Re: [expert] VNC & 1280x1024


> Sridhar G wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > My LM system video is configured at 1024x768. I am currently using VNC
> > client on my Win 2000 monitor using a resolution of 1280x1024. I'd like
to
> > use the VNC client at the same resolution of 1280x1024. Is there any
> > parameter to start the VNC Server at this res.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Sridhar
>
> you can edit the file /usr/bin/vncserver and look for the line $geometry =
> "1024x768";.  Kill vncserver and that should do it.
>
>
>





Re: [expert] VNC & 1280x1024

2000-09-01 Thread Bob Chin

Sridhar G wrote:

> Hi,
>
> My LM system video is configured at 1024x768. I am currently using VNC
> client on my Win 2000 monitor using a resolution of 1280x1024. I'd like to
> use the VNC client at the same resolution of 1280x1024. Is there any
> parameter to start the VNC Server at this res.
>
> Cheers
> Sridhar

you can edit the file /usr/bin/vncserver and look for the line $geometry =
"1024x768";.  Kill vncserver and that should do it.






Re: [expert] VNC with just gray screen - Resolved

2000-06-19 Thread Sevatio Octavio

You're right.  I didn't need .Xresources.  My problem was that the machine name that 
VNC was using to invoke the vncserver was not
resolving to 127.0.0.1.  I corrected /etc/host and it works now.

Thanks for all your help.

Seve


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>I don't have an .Xresources file either, however VNC runs fine for me.
>Have you tried specifying a different window manager in xstartup?
>
>
>> Okay, I checked the log file and it's telling me that "xrdb" cannot
>find $HOME/.Xresources
>.  I can't find .Xresources anywhere.
>> Would you happen to have a copy to send me?
>>
>
>
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Re: [expert] VNC with just gray screen - please help resolve

2000-06-19 Thread jlemay

I don't have an .Xresources file either, however VNC runs fine for me. 
Have you tried specifying a different window manager in xstartup?


> Okay, I checked the log file and it's telling me that "xrdb" cannot 
find $HOME/.Xresources
.  I can't find .Xresources anywhere.
> Would you happen to have a copy to send me?
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Re: [expert] VNC with just gray screen - please help resolve

2000-06-19 Thread Sevatio Octavio

Okay, I checked the log file and it's telling me that "xrdb" cannot find 
$HOME/.Xresources .  I can't find .Xresources anywhere.
Would you happen to have a copy to send me?

Seve

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Subject: Re: [expert] VNC with just gray screen - please help resolve


>
>
>  you need to look in ~/.vnc/xstartup.  there, an xterm should be started
>and the twm window manager will be started.  I've installed icewm, and
>start it instead of twm, from that file./
>
> On Mon, 19 Jun 2000, Sevatio
>Octavio wrote:
>
>> I'm using VNC for Linbox to Linbox.  I'm able to log in and get vncviewer to see 
>the remote mouse cursor move but all I get is a
>> gray background with no other functions.  I've looked at "xstart" and it's set to 
>run "twm".  Is there something I'm missing
here?
>>
>> Seve
>>
>
>




Re: [expert] VNC with just gray screen - please help resolve

2000-06-19 Thread Bug Hunter



  you need to look in ~/.vnc/xstartup.  there, an xterm should be started
and the twm window manager will be started.  I've installed icewm, and
start it instead of twm, from that file./

 On Mon, 19 Jun 2000, Sevatio
Octavio wrote:

> I'm using VNC for Linbox to Linbox.  I'm able to log in and get vncviewer to see the 
>remote mouse cursor move but all I get is a
> gray background with no other functions.  I've looked at "xstart" and it's set to 
>run "twm".  Is there something I'm missing here?
> 
> Seve
> 




Re: [expert] VNC with just gray screen - please help resolve

2000-06-19 Thread Sevatio Octavio

Thanks for responding.  What's the line entry you used to have xstart start kde?  
Perhaps my syntax isn't correct.

Seve
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Subject: Re: [expert] VNC with just gray screen - please help resolve


>on 6/19/00 1:27 AM, Sevatio Octavio  wrote:
>
>> I'm using VNC for Linbox to Linbox.  I'm able to log in and get vncviewer to
>> see the remote mouse cursor move but all I get is a
>> gray background with no other functions.  I've looked at "xstart" and it's set
>> to run "twm".  Is there something I'm missing here?
>> 
>> Seve
>>
>I think the window manager isn't starting.
>happens to me sometimes too. however I can log in fine to another user who
>is set a different window manager like KDE.
>
> try setting it to use a different window manager
>
>
>Gavin
>




Re: [expert] VNC with just gray screen - please help resolve

2000-06-19 Thread Gavin Clark

on 6/19/00 1:27 AM, Sevatio Octavio  wrote:

> I'm using VNC for Linbox to Linbox.  I'm able to log in and get vncviewer to
> see the remote mouse cursor move but all I get is a
> gray background with no other functions.  I've looked at "xstart" and it's set
> to run "twm".  Is there something I'm missing here?
> 
> Seve
>
I think the window manager isn't starting.
happens to me sometimes too. however I can log in fine to another user who
is set a different window manager like KDE.

 try setting it to use a different window manager


Gavin




Re: [expert] VNC

2000-01-13 Thread Werner E. Niebel

Paul,

Curiously a native compile creates the same crash  Ill let you know if I find
out anything

Werner

Werner Niebel wrote:

> Paul,
>
> Thanks for the help... I tried downloading the binaries and did have the same
> result... for some reason I can perform all X operations as I would expect, no
> crashes.  I guess Ill try a native compile once again and see what happens...
> also Ill try and list the symbol table for both and see if anything looks
> strange...Im still at a loss as to why
>
> Thanks for the help
>
> Werner
>
> Paul Waldo wrote:
>
> > Hi Werner,
> >
> > I had a lot of problems with the VNC RPM on the Mandrake 6.1 disk.  I
> > was VNCing from work (latest version, 3.3.3 R2) to the VNC server at
> > home.  It had a lot of problems, and I finally just downloaded the
> > binaries from the source and it works like a champ.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > "Werner E. Niebel" wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello all,
> > >
> > > Im stumped and hoped someone could help me.
> > > Im trying to use VNC in Mandrake 6.1.  Ive used the RPMs and also done a
> > > native compile of the
> > > VNC software from the source code obtained at the VNC site.
> > >
> > > When I try to use certain software from Mentor graphics the server and
> > > client crashes... It works fine in X and dont know if anyone has seen
> > > this problem as well This has worked fine in previous versions of
> > > Redhat...
> > >
> > > Any suggestions would be appreciated.
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance.
> > >
> > > Werner E Niebel


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Re: [expert] VNC

2000-01-12 Thread Werner Niebel

Paul,

Thanks for the help... I tried downloading the binaries and did have the same
result... for some reason I can perform all X operations as I would expect, no
crashes.  I guess Ill try a native compile once again and see what happens...
also Ill try and list the symbol table for both and see if anything looks
strange...Im still at a loss as to why

Thanks for the help

Werner

Paul Waldo wrote:

> Hi Werner,
>
> I had a lot of problems with the VNC RPM on the Mandrake 6.1 disk.  I
> was VNCing from work (latest version, 3.3.3 R2) to the VNC server at
> home.  It had a lot of problems, and I finally just downloaded the
> binaries from the source and it works like a champ.
>
> Paul
>
> "Werner E. Niebel" wrote:
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > Im stumped and hoped someone could help me.
> > Im trying to use VNC in Mandrake 6.1.  Ive used the RPMs and also done a
> > native compile of the
> > VNC software from the source code obtained at the VNC site.
> >
> > When I try to use certain software from Mentor graphics the server and
> > client crashes... It works fine in X and dont know if anyone has seen
> > this problem as well This has worked fine in previous versions of
> > Redhat...
> >
> > Any suggestions would be appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > Werner E Niebel



Re: [expert] VNC

2000-01-12 Thread Paul Waldo

Hi Werner,

I had a lot of problems with the VNC RPM on the Mandrake 6.1 disk.  I
was VNCing from work (latest version, 3.3.3 R2) to the VNC server at
home.  It had a lot of problems, and I finally just downloaded the
binaries from the source and it works like a champ.

Paul

"Werner E. Niebel" wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> Im stumped and hoped someone could help me.
> Im trying to use VNC in Mandrake 6.1.  Ive used the RPMs and also done a
> native compile of the
> VNC software from the source code obtained at the VNC site.
> 
> When I try to use certain software from Mentor graphics the server and
> client crashes... It works fine in X and dont know if anyone has seen
> this problem as well This has worked fine in previous versions of
> Redhat...
> 
> Any suggestions would be appreciated.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Werner E Niebel



Re: [expert] VNC Server

1999-11-14 Thread Sridhar G

This happens only with KDE not any other WM.

Sridhar

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Subject: Re: [expert] VNC Server


> > The Xclient file on my X11 dir is looking for etc/sysconfig/desktop
file. I
> > don't seem to have that file.
> >
> > Can anyone tell me what it contains, and if it is not critical can some
> > email me the file.
>
> I consider this a bug in Mandrake, but I am too lazy to report it.
> It is a "missing" file, but an unimportant one.
>
> First, this missing file has nothing to do with your VNC problem.
>
> Next, if the file /etc/sysconfig/desktop contains the word
> "GNOME", and you have Gnome installed, then that will be your default
> desktop environment.  If it says "KDE", and you have KDE installed, that
> will be your default desktop environment.
>
> If that file does not exist, and you have both KDE and GNOME, it
> will default to KDE (bah!).
>
> If you do not have KDE or GNOME installed, and that file does not
> exist, it tries to run AnotherLevel.  If that fails, it tries FVWM2.  See
> the file /etc/X11/xinit/Xclients for the exact script I'm talking about.
>
> Regarding the VNC problem, try restarting your Windows box...?
>
>
> --Derek
>
>



Re: [expert] VNC Server

1999-11-13 Thread Derek Simkowiak

> The Xclient file on my X11 dir is looking for etc/sysconfig/desktop file. I
> don't seem to have that file.
> 
> Can anyone tell me what it contains, and if it is not critical can some
> email me the file.

I consider this a bug in Mandrake, but I am too lazy to report it.
It is a "missing" file, but an unimportant one.

First, this missing file has nothing to do with your VNC problem.

Next, if the file /etc/sysconfig/desktop contains the word
"GNOME", and you have Gnome installed, then that will be your default
desktop environment.  If it says "KDE", and you have KDE installed, that
will be your default desktop environment.

If that file does not exist, and you have both KDE and GNOME, it
will default to KDE (bah!).

If you do not have KDE or GNOME installed, and that file does not
exist, it tries to run AnotherLevel.  If that fails, it tries FVWM2.  See
the file /etc/X11/xinit/Xclients for the exact script I'm talking about.

Regarding the VNC problem, try restarting your Windows box...?


--Derek




Re: [expert] VNC

1999-06-30 Thread Jean-Michel Dault


That is a really good program. I remember embedding it on a Linux
satellite router so people could use the X-based configuration tool... all
they had to do is point a browser at http://10.0.0.1:5800 and the nice VNC
java applet would start in the browser. 

What's even more interesting, it works on about any platform, and it's
open source.

Jean-Michel Dault
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On Wed, 30 Jun 1999, James J. Capone wrote:

> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 21:16:23 -0400
> From: "James J. Capone" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [expert] VNC
> 
> Check this link out folks. It is a very good program. If you network this could 
> be for you if you don't still may work for you.
> 
> http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/
> 
> 
> James J. Capone
> 



Re: [expert] VNC

1999-06-30 Thread Timothy Litwiller

Yes, this is a great program for whatever operating system you use.

I use it to access several machine that I need to use at work
NT Server, win95 system, win98 system, linux mandrake system, mac, that way I can
sit at one place and do support calls for almost any operating system problem our
customer can come up with.

we have a customer ( a water treatment plant) that has a winCE device, they are
using it and a rf network card to access another computer that controlles all the
valves and has all the line monitors for the whole plant,  with this they can be in
a remote building with the winCE device and change the operation and see the
results onscreen as they work.

they used to have a person at the computer and one that was going thru the
buildings looking at gauges etc. then he would radio back to change a valve setting
- it took several calls and they sometimes misunderstood before they would get a
valve adjusted corectly.



"James J. Capone" wrote:

> Check this link out folks. It is a very good program. If you network this could
> be for you if you don't still may work for you.
>
> http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/
>
> James J. Capone