date:20050810

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
> --- Ron F <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > He gave a vision of this new
> > programme in which first one group
> > of 500 Yogic Flyers will fly for an hour, then
> > they'll go and rest. Then, a second
> > group of 500 Yogic Flyers will fly for an hour, then
> > they'll go and rest. Then a
> > third group of 500 Yogic Flyers will fly for an
> > hour, then they'll go and rest, and
> > the first will group will come and fly again. 
> 
> 
> Smokin'! We'll have to be careful that we we don't
> crack the local space-time matrix!

Maharishi's "vision" here IS pretty astonishing, 
when ya think about it.  He's proposing that 6000
people (four locations with 1500 "flyers" per 
location) have nothing better to do with their
lives than bounce on their butts all day for
world peace.  These 6000 people obviously have
no bills, no jobs, no families or family respon-
sibilities.  They don't need to go to movies or
eat out occasionally or take vacations.  They
just butt-bounce, all day every day.

And this next bit is the best part -- and they
DO all of this while Somebody Else pays for it
all.  As usual, the Somebody Else is not specified.
As usual, Maharishi and the TM organization is not
going to put up one cent to pay for it themselves.

Perhaps "200% of life" really meant 100% fantasy and
100% impracticality all this time, and we just never
realized it...  :-)

The most fascinating thing about this latest
"pronouncement" is that you just KNOW that NO ONE
in the room mentioned any of these practical issues
when the idea was broached.  NO ONE would have 
pointed out that there probably aren't 6000 butt-
bouncers on the whole planet.  Even if there were,
NO ONE would have asked, "How are they expected to 
do all this butt-bouncing and still have lives and
still pay for them?"

It's the just sitting quietly in the room when he
says stupid shit like this and either saying nothing
or just embracing it as cosmic truth that's scary.
If it were just Maharishi saying silly stuff like
this, that's just one crazy person.  If it's him
saying it to a whole roomful (or movementful) of
people who just nod their heads and say, "Cool...good
idea, Maharishi...Sat Yuga's sure gonna happen quickly
now," that's a LOT of crazy people.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS feature

2005-08-10 Thread Ingegerd

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > ---I agree with you, that is what it was like; and it is hard to 
> > imagine someone like that being treated like shit, which is what 
> > happened.
> > Then again, you can see how Maharishi is ignored and treated 
badly;
> > and how most enlightened people through the ages, suffered at the 
> > hands of the ignorant and selfish leaders of the time.
> > Socrates was also condemned to death, because his enlightened 
> > beliefs, where seen as a threat to the established order.
> > Enlightened people are always a threat to the Status Quo, always.
> > Even in the TMO, the same thing; enlightened one's are a threat 
to 
> > the status quo.
> > 
> Speak softly, and carry a big Self...;)

I can not see that MMY has been ignored and treated badly - quite the 
opposite I think. It is not fair to compare Socrates or other 
enlightened people with MMY, they did not have the recourses that MMY 
have. Maybe they were not that interested in wordly recourses - . To 
be cynical -. If the sign of being enlightened is so build the 
highest building in India and palaces in marble everywhere, MMY is 
the only enlightened man ever lived.
Ingegerd

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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jagger Gets Brave/ Slams Pres. Bush..'

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wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > Boy, that Mick is really brave, isn't he?
> > > > 
> > > > And the last time *you* did anything cool
> > > > for the world was when, exactly?
> > > 
> > > ...when I challenged you on the claim that you witnessed true, 
real 
> > > levitation...
> 
> Hey Shemp, since you're obviously holding onto this one
> pretty tightly, can I ask you a question?
> 
> If you were to witness "real" levitation -- right in front
> of your eyes, perfect conditions, no drugs or wires and
> mirrors or sleep deprivation or *anything* you could pos-
> sibly use as an excuse going on -- would you believe it
> had happened?  Would you be able to trust your own
> experience?

Has The Amazing Randy given the person demonstrating it the million 
dollar reward?




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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jagger Gets Brave/ Slams Pres. Bush..'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Boy, that Mick is really brave, isn't he?
> > > 
> > > And the last time *you* did anything cool
> > > for the world was when, exactly?
> > 
> > ...when I challenged you on the claim that you witnessed true, real 
> > levitation...

Hey Shemp, since you're obviously holding onto this one
pretty tightly, can I ask you a question?

If you were to witness "real" levitation -- right in front
of your eyes, perfect conditions, no drugs or wires and
mirrors or sleep deprivation or *anything* you could pos-
sibly use as an excuse going on -- would you believe it
had happened?  Would you be able to trust your own
experience?

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Unity and sidhis

--- In 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Peter asks:
> Tom! You talk as if you're not even there...or even
> here.where are you? ;-)
> 
> Tom T:
> How should I know? Have no answer to that question that would make 
any
> sense. Thanks for asking though. Tom
> 
> from Adyashanti  Emptiness Dancing
> A Story is Just a Story
> 
> What you are without your role is often assumed to be hidden
> somewhere. And so when you let go of your role, when you look past
> the character called "me" for the truth of your being, you may think
> that there's a someone to find who is somehow hidden. 
> 
> If this happens, when you come into this state of openness, you may
> think, "There's nobody here, but I'll look for it anyway, look for
> the Self, the Truth, the enlightened me." Looking for the 
enlightened
> self is just another role, another script. It's part of the 
spiritual
> seeker's script. If you drop that script -- now what are you? 
> 
> Of course, the reason I ask you to inquire into what you are is
> because, at this moment, you are living the answer. Nothing that I
> would tell you is a substitute for that aliveness, for that living 
> of the answer. 
> 
> That's why it has been said many times that only the people who
> don't know who they are, are the ones who are awake. Everyone else
> knows who he or she is. They are their script, whatever their script
> is, even if that script is, "I'm not awake." 

And they're terrified to drop the script and just improvise.  :-)

It's true.  Some people, in my experience often including
people who are right on the "cusp" of realization, "get"
their proximity to no-self intuitively and, in their fear
of losing that which they have identified with so long and
so hare, switch into "clinging mode," in which they try to 
hold on to any shred of self as long as possible, to keep 
the full realization of Self-ness away.

Believing that your self has a "role" and that this role
is fixed and immutable and "you" is one of the best (and
most entertaining for bystanders) ways of doing this.  

Trying to "understand" everything rather than simply
experiencing it is another.

There are as many ways to keep from realizing Self as
there are selves.  :-)

> Awakeness is to have no script, to know that ultimately a script is
> just a script, and a story is just a story.

And sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.  :-)

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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jagger Gets Brave/ Slams Pres. Bush..'

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<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Boy, that Mick is really brave, isn't he?
> > 
> > And the last time *you* did anything cool
> > for the world was when, exactly?
> 
> ...when I challenged you on the claim that you witnessed true, real 
> levitation...

Boy, that sure took some guts.  :-)

Taking the path of cynical skepticism when 
encountering stories one doesn't want to 
believe.  That's definitely brave for ya...   :-)

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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS feature

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > > Hey, since you've read alot about the cruxifiction (Cross 
Fiction)  
> > could you tell me whether the crosses were actually X shaped?  
> > Instead of T?  
> > 
> > some say he was just nailed to a trunk with his arms above his head.
> 
> Doesn't really matter, does it, unless you're one of
> those people who think that the way an enlightened
> person died is more important than the way they lived.

For many of his followers, this seems to be the case...





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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS feature

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > Hey, since you've read alot about the cruxifiction (Cross Fiction)  
> could you tell me whether the crosses were actually X shaped?  
> Instead of T?  
> 
> some say he was just nailed to a trunk with his arms above his head.

Doesn't really matter, does it, unless you're one of
those people who think that the way an enlightened
person died is more important than the way they lived.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: "Thru and thru" dilettante analysis of RV I 164, 39 ; part 1

2005-08-10 Thread cardemaister

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> On Aug 10, 2005, at 10:14 AM, cardemaister wrote:
> 
> > Really? Do you happen to remember in which suutra or suutras?
> 
> IIRC it was the tattva-samasa.

Cool! Some yogasuutras are obviously de facto direct quotations
from tattva-samaasa.

http://sanskrit.gde.to/all_txt/tattvasamaasa.txt

\itxtitle{.. kapilamunipraNiita tattvasamaasa ..}##\endtitles ##
athaatastattvasamaasaH || 1||
ashhTau prakR^itayaH || 2||
shhoDasha vikaaraaH || 3||
purushhaH || 4||
traiguNyam || 5||
saMcharaH pratisaMcharaH || 6||
adhyaatmamadhibhuutamadhidaivaM cha || 7||
pa~nchaabhibuddhayaH || 8||
pa~ncha dR^igyonayaH || 9||
pa~ncha vaayavaH || 10||
pa~ncha karmaatmaanaH || 11||
pa~nchaparvaa avidyaa || 12||
ashhTaaviMshatidhaa.ashak{}tiH || 13||
navadhaa tushhTiH || 14||
ashhTadhaa siddhiH || 15||
dasha maulikaarthaaH || 16||
anugrahaH sargaH || 17||
chaturdashavidho bhuutasargaH || 18||
trividho bandhaH || 19||
trividho mokshaH || 20||
trividhaM pramaaNam || 21||

|| iti ||
##\medskip\hrule\medskip
Encoded by Haresh Bakshi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The notes corresponding to numbers and items:##
ashhTau prakR^itayaH || 2||
##jaDatattva has two categories: prakRiti and vikRiti. The eight 
prakRiti-s
are: 3 pradhaana 1) muula pprakRiti 2) mahattattva 3) ahaMkaara; and 
five tanmaatraa-s: 4) shabda 5) sparsha 6) ruupa 7) rasa 8) gandha.##
shhoDasha vikaaraaH || 3||
##They are: 5 sthuula bhuuta [1-5]; 11 indriya-s [6-16]
5 sthuula bhuuta-s 1) aakaasha 2) vaayu 3) agni 4) jala 5) pRithvii
5 GYaanendriya-s 6) shrotra 7) tvachaa 8) netra 9) rasanaa 10) ghraaNa
5 karmendriya-s 11) vaaNii 12) hasta 13) paada 14) upastha 15) gudaa 
and 16) manaH##
traiguNyam || 5||
##they are: 1) sattva 2) rajas 3) tamas##
pa~nchaabhibuddhayaH || 8||
##The 5 'vRitti-s' of buddhi are:
1) pramaaNa 2) viparyaya 3) vikalpa 4) nidraa 5) smRiti ##
pa~ncha dR^igyonayaH || 9||
##5 GYaanendriya-s: 1) shrotra 2) tvachaa 3) netra 4) rasanaa 5) 
ghraaNa ##
pa~ncha vaayavaH || 10||
##5 life forces: 1) praaNa 2) apaana (30 samaana 4) vyaana 5) udaana##
pa~ncha karmaatmaanaH || 11||
##karmendriya-s: 1) vaaNii 2) hasta 3) paada 4) upastha 5) gudaa ##
pa~nchaparvaa avidyaa || 12||
##The avidyaa-s, the 5 knots or joints, are:
1) avidyaa 2) asmitaa 3) raaga 4) dveshha 5) abhinivesha ##
ashhTaaviMshatidhaa.ashak{}tiH || 13||
##11 ashakti-s exist on the annihilation of the 11 indriya-s.
17 ashakti-s arise from the buddhi: 9 opposites of the 9 tushhTi-s
see |14|); and 8 opposites of siddhi-s, i.e. asiddhi-s see |15|.##
navadhaa tushhTiH || 14||
##Of the 9, 4 are adhyaatmika [1-4], and 5 are baahya [5-9].
1) prakRiti 2) upaadaana 3) kaala 4) bhaagya
5) shabda-tushhTi 6) sparsha-tushhTi 7) ruupa-tushhTi
8) rasa-tushhTi 9) gandha-tushhTi ##
ashhTadhaa siddhiH || 15||
##They are as under; their opposites are the 8 asiddhi-s:
The 8 siddhi-s: 1) uuha 2) shabda 3) adhyayana 4) suhRit-
praapti 5) daana 6) aadhyaatmika duHkhahaana 7) aadhibhautika
duHkhahaana 8) aadhidaivika duHkhahaana ##
dasha maulikaarthaaH || 16||
##10 muula dharma-s : 1) astitva 2) saMyoga 3) viyoga 4) 
sheshhavRittva 
5) ekatva 6) arthavattva 7) paraarthya 8) anyataa 9) akartRitva 10) 
bahutva ##
chaturdashavidho bhuutasargaH || 18||
##The 14 bhuuta worlds are: The bhuuta-s, here, are deva-s, having
8 daivika sRishhTi-s [1-8];
5 tiryak yoni-s ("animal/lower worlds") [9-13];
1 human world [14].
1) braahma 2) praajaapatya 3) aindra 4) daiva 5) gaandharva
6) pitrya 7) videha 8) prakRiti-laya;
9) pashu 10) pakshii 11) sariisRipa 12) kiiTa 13) sthaavara
14) human -- these are the 14 yoni-s (worlds) ##
trividho bandhaH || 19||
##The 3 bandha-s are: 1) vaikRitika 2) daakshiNika 3) prakRitika.##
trividho mokshaH || 20||
##The three types of liberation (from the bandha-s mentioned in |19|):
Liberation from 1) vaikaarika bandha 2) daakshiNika bandha
3) prakRitika bandha.##
trividhaM pramaaNam || 21||
##The 3 means of acquiring correct perception (pramaaNa) are:
1) pratyaksha 2) anumaana 3) aagama or aaptavachana.##
etat samyag GYaatvaa kRitakRityaH syaat |
na punastrividhena duHkhenaabhibhuuyate || 22 ||
##





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS feature



--- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> "jim_flanegin" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > Good explanation, except that based on the way
> Maharishi has 
> taught 
> > > it, I always got the impression that there was
> some sort of 
> linear, 
> > > waterfall-like experience leading from cc to gc
> to brahman, as 
> one 
> > > state became realized, it overflowed into the
> next, and so on. 
> And 
> > > it just didn't happen that way for me. I had cc
> experiences that 
> > > were fleeting and on the background of intense
> suffering, and the 
> > > same with gc. 
> > > 
> > > Then a quick unraveling of it all, and literally
> one day I awoke 
> > > and there was no more path, or more
> appropriately, I experienced 
> > > complete freedom in terms of spiritual
> evolution; no 
> more 'seeker's 
> > > burn'. All the 'signposts' evaporated. There was
> no 'juice' left 
> in 
> > > any of it and from then on I have had oneness
> predominating in my 
> > > awareness and perception. The diversity of the
> world is still 
> > > there, but it has just switched places in my
> awareness with 
> > > oneness. Diversity is secondary now.
> > > 
> > > The reason I share this is because I think it is
> a common 
> > > expectation among TMers that they will do cc,
> then get 
> established 
> > > in it- witnessing all the time, and then that
> will spill over 
> into 
> > > gc, experiencing the finest relative all the
> time, and so on.
> > 
> > That's what I thought at first, but it became
> clear
> > after a while that CC, GC, and UC were labels for
> > certain distinct types of experiences, points on a
> > continuum, rather than for sequential states,
> although
> > the experiences tend to develop in that general
> > direction.
> > 
> > On the other hand, if someone is having stable,
> > prolonged experiences that fit the description
> > attached to the label God consciousness, for 
> > example, perhaps it wouldn't be wrong to say the
> > person was "in" God consciousness or had
> "achieved"
> > God consciousness?
> 
> How could you have GC without some level of CC? MMY
> has said that 
> true Bhakti can't begin until CC because until you
> know your Self, 
> how could your Self worship God?

When there is an "I" God can't show-up because there's
no room at the inn, so to speak. In CC there's nothing
there so God starts to show up in that utter aloneness
of first awakening.



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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS feature

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> 
> > Good explanation, except that based on the way Maharishi has 
taught 
> > it, I always got the impression that there was some sort of 
linear, 
> > waterfall-like experience leading from cc to gc to brahman, as 
one 
> > state became realized, it overflowed into the next, and so on. 
And 
> > it just didn't happen that way for me. I had cc experiences that 
> > were fleeting and on the background of intense suffering, and the 
> > same with gc. 
> > 
> > Then a quick unraveling of it all, and literally one day I awoke 
> > and there was no more path, or more appropriately, I experienced 
> > complete freedom in terms of spiritual evolution; no 
more 'seeker's 
> > burn'. All the 'signposts' evaporated. There was no 'juice' left 
in 
> > any of it and from then on I have had oneness predominating in my 
> > awareness and perception. The diversity of the world is still 
> > there, but it has just switched places in my awareness with 
> > oneness. Diversity is secondary now.
> > 
> > The reason I share this is because I think it is a common 
> > expectation among TMers that they will do cc, then get 
established 
> > in it- witnessing all the time, and then that will spill over 
into 
> > gc, experiencing the finest relative all the time, and so on.
> 
> That's what I thought at first, but it became clear
> after a while that CC, GC, and UC were labels for
> certain distinct types of experiences, points on a
> continuum, rather than for sequential states, although
> the experiences tend to develop in that general
> direction.
> 
> On the other hand, if someone is having stable,
> prolonged experiences that fit the description
> attached to the label God consciousness, for 
> example, perhaps it wouldn't be wrong to say the
> person was "in" God consciousness or had "achieved"
> God consciousness?

How could you have GC without some level of CC? MMY has said that 
true Bhakti can't begin until CC because until you know your Self, 
how could your Self worship God?




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Four locations to radiate peace from sunrise to sunset

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> He gave a vision of this new
> programme in which first one group
> of 500 Yogic Flyers will fly for an hour, then
> they'll go and rest. Then, a second
> group of 500 Yogic Flyers will fly for an hour, then
> they'll go and rest. Then a
> third group of 500 Yogic Flyers will fly for an
> hour, then they'll go and rest, and
> the first will group will come and fly again. 

Smokin'! We'll have to be careful that we we don't
crack the local space-time matrix!

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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS feature

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wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > --My understanding from Maharishi's teaching is that CC is 
> > enlightenment, because in CC one has transcended the ego, and is 
> > acting from the level of pure consciousness, in CC.
> > 
> > GC or God-Consciousness is developed through advanced techniques, 
> > and the TM-Siddhis, in that you become aware and experienced with 
> > the finest state or impulse of being. That is where God manifests 
> at 
> > the finest level, the finest intention is where manifestation 
> arises.
> > 
> > Then you begin to see the remarkable quality of creation, and 
> > realize the perfection and the beauty of the creation, which is 
> > based in love and creativity, and extention of one's self.
> > 
> > After this, one naturally begins to cognize beyond the finest 
> > relative, and realizes that pure-consciousness is all that there 
> is; 
> > Brahman is all that there is; I am that, thou art that, 
everything 
> > is that. UC and Brahman is the same thing.
> > 
> > He has said, that it is beneficial for the Master to verify the 
> > experience of UC, in that it can be disorienting at first, to be 
> One 
> > with everything.
> > 
> Good explanation, except that based on the way Maharishi has taught 
> it, I always got the impression that there was some sort of linear, 
> waterfall-like experience leading from cc to gc to brahman, as one 
> state became realized, it overflowed into the next, and so on. And 
> it just didn't happen that way for me. I had cc experiences that 
> were fleeting and on the background of intense suffering, and the 
> same with gc. 
> 
> Then a quick unraveling of it all, and literally one day I awoke 
and 
> there was no more path, or more appropriately, I experienced 
> complete freedom in terms of spiritual evolution; no more 'seeker's 
> burn'. All the 'signposts' evaporated. There was no 'juice' left in 
> any of it and from then on I have had oneness predominating in my 
> awareness and perception. The diversity of the world is still 
there, 
> but it has just switched places in my awareness with oneness. 
> Diversity is secondary now.
> 
> The reason I share this is because I think it is a common 
> expectation among TMers that they will do cc, then get established 
> in it- witnessing all the time, and then that will spill over into 
> gc, experiencing the finest relative all the time, and so on.
> 
> Maybe some folks do it like that, only that wasn't my experience.

MMY never said that that was the only way to go. It's the simplest 
way to talk about it, and without permanently established CC, you 
can't have permanently established anything else (pretty much by 
definition, at least according to MMY's definitions), but you can 
have mixtures of flashes of any state temporarily.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS feature



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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > Could be. As Llundrub's and my exchange locally
> demonstrates, waking 
> > up is dependent on nothing. I'll keep saying my
> prayers, silly as 
> > that seems, and hope for the best. Thanks.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Well, I am an MIU grad though and sidha of 20
> years, and was 
> surrounded by rudraksha and Siva lingas. The fact
> that I had 
> completely fallen didn't apparently remove me from
> the list of 
> potential awakened ones though.  And then as I
> looked back more things 
> came into focus like initiations I had taken but
> discounted or 
> forgotten, like I was initiated by a devotee of
> Dattatreya when I was 
> fourteen, and by the Golden Dawn, and so on.  So far
> from being 
> dependent on nothing, it was dependent upon
> everything more than 
> likely.
> 
> Intention seems to play a BIG part doesn't it?

I see sincere intention as organizing the whole thing.



  
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Re: [FairfieldLife] No mysteries in Heaven? Questions to the Awakened.



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> Question to the Awakened:  please use your
> extrasensory perception 
> just for a moment to assist me in finding the
> answers to these 
> questions:
> 
> First, regarding some deceased acquaintances of
> mine,
> 
> 1. Please ask Joe Clarke if there was some special
> reason (aside from 
> mere bad karma) for his untimely death in the
> airplane crash.  In 
> other words, did that fulfull some Divine purpose;
> perhaps in his 
> helping people in the inner planes?

You'll have to talk to Joe the next time you see him.
He ain't talkin'


> 
> 2. To Jessamine Verrill:  Please ask Jessamine if
> she is initiating 
> people in the inner planes, and if so, how many
> people (in the 
> physically disembodied category) has she initiated
> since she left the 
> physical.

She said she's tired of asking that question, ask
another.


> 
> 3. Same question to David Verrill and to Roland
> Olson.

They're both back on earth in Tibet.

> 
> 4. Please ask Charlie Lutes if he has had any
> misgivings about his 
> recent physical incarnation; particularly if he
> would do anything 
> different; and what plans is he making for his next
> incarnation?  
> Also, when does he expect to incarnate again?

Charlie's chillin' with Indra and has a little work to
do concerning all those tall-tales he told.

> OK, now a question to Guru Dev.
> 1. To Guru Dev: are you pleased with MMY's
> performance in propagating 
> TM around the world, or not pleased?  If not
> pleased, why?

This question doesn't make any sense because THERE IS
NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GURU DEV AND MMY.
 
> Now for a question about two extrasolar planets very
> near our solar 
> system: HD209458, and 51Pegasi.
> Are these planets inhabited by living entities,
> either physically 
> embodied or astral?

Astral

> If so, which of the planets has
> the most 
> intelligent creatures and what is their appearance?

HD209458, but they call it "Humneedop" (that's as
close as it gets in English) They look like 3 foot
tall butterflys without wings. Their genetic make-up
is very similar to insects on earth. They are part of
the "Trifour" genetic research planetary group which
includes earth. We were part of a test breeding
program for rapid genetic mutations that got lost "in
the shuffle" when the original breed designers became
involved in a solar system (not ours) war and were
nearly decimated. Only in the last several hundred
years have they come back to observe us and are quite
amazed at how we've turned out. A mixed reaction. They
like our intellects but they recognize the problem
with our emotional reactiveness that is nearly
out-of-control.
> 
> Thanks a lot for your help!

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Answers from Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

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segments from
> weekly press conferences that originally aired on the Maharishi 
Channel. 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: World's tallest tower planned in India- link attached

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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron F <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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> > > > World's tallest tower planned in India
> > > > 
> > > > http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/Story.asp?
> > > Article=117998&Sn=BUSI&IssueID=28130
> > > > 
> > > > World's tallest tower planned in India 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > CHICAGO: A 224-storey pyramid shaped building, the tallest in 
> the 
> > > world, is being
> > > > built at Katangi, near Indian city of Jabalpur in Madhya 
> Pradesh 
> > > state. The
> > > > -foot (677m) Center of India Tower scheduled for November 
> 6, 
> > > is being financed
> > > > by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi (The Beatles former spiritual 
> leader), 
> > > and will be his new
> > > > world headquarters.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I read stuff like this and it makes me want to retch.
> > > 
> > 
> > Why?
> 
> Because the TMO has limited resources -- VERY limited resources -- 
> and I believe that 100% of those resources should be devoted to 
> promoting and promulgating the TM program and not hair-brained 
> schemes that have ZERO connection to bringing TM to the masses.

The Tower thang will be a revenue generator (hopefully), and its not 
TM revenues that are funding it.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS feature

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>
> 
> How was John Hagelin in traction in a hospital with
> you?  Were you 
> both in an accident together?

John and I were good buddies in a private boarding
school (Taft). We both come from the same home town
(where Rick Archer is from) Fairfield, CT.. During the
summer of 1971 John and I were hanging out together in
Fairfield, CT. We both got really drunk and he drove
through a red light on his motorcycle going about 60
MPH with me on the back. We ran into a car. John broke
both his legs (including both femurs-ouch!) pretty
badly and spent about 4 months in the hospital  in a
full body cast and then about 4 months at home in a
body cast. I shattered my right hip and was in
traction for 2 months and then on crutches for a year.
We also had the usual broken ribs, legs (tibias),
concusions and contusions that almost always come with
a high-speed accident on a motorcycle. We both where
wearing helmets and these saved our lives. Both
helmets completely shattered, just like they're
supposed to do (thank you Bell helmet company for
saving our brains!). For me the pain from my shattered
hip was so powerful that even morphine didn't work.
I'd just have massive hallucinations. I always think
that I was burning off some kind of nasty karma. I
wouldn't wish that type of pain on my worst enemy.
Interesting experience for both of us. I actually had
a very clear ritam bhara pragya experience in the
hospital. I didn't know what it was of course until
about 2 years later when I was on my TTC and heard MMY
talk about it. 

> 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS feature

2005-08-10 Thread anonymousff

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> > I spent two months in traction in a hospital (along
> > with John Hagelin)
> 
> 
> 
> How was John Hagelin in traction in a hospital with you?  
> 

Flat on his back. 






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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS feature

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> 
> --- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > ---Yeah but do you see the devas?
> > 
> > Not sure what you mean by devas. I'll say that I
> > have seen beings that 
> > are not commonly seen. However, in my opinion, that
> > sight must be 
> > cultured; one puts one's attention on *subtle
> > sight*, which is 
> > different from concentrated sight, and all kinds of
> > beings start to 
> > appear. A favorite example of mine is the angel
> > energy that can be 
> > seen near hospitals.
> 
> I spent two months in traction in a hospital (along
> with John Hagelin)



How was John Hagelin in traction in a hospital with you?  Were you 
both in an accident together?




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> 
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[FairfieldLife] No mysteries in Heaven? Questions to the Awakened.

2005-08-10 Thread mathatbrahman

Question to the Awakened:  please use your extrasensory perception 
just for a moment to assist me in finding the answers to these 
questions:

First, regarding some deceased acquaintances of mine,

1. Please ask Joe Clarke if there was some special reason (aside from 
mere bad karma) for his untimely death in the airplane crash.  In 
other words, did that fulfull some Divine purpose; perhaps in his 
helping people in the inner planes?

2. To Jessamine Verrill:  Please ask Jessamine if she is initiating 
people in the inner planes, and if so, how many people (in the 
physically disembodied category) has she initiated since she left the 
physical.

3. Same question to David Verrill and to Roland Olson.

4. Please ask Charlie Lutes if he has had any misgivings about his 
recent physical incarnation; particularly if he would do anything 
different; and what plans is he making for his next incarnation?  
Also, when does he expect to incarnate again?

OK, now a question to Guru Dev.
1. To Guru Dev: are you pleased with MMY's performance in propagating 
TM around the world, or not pleased?  If not pleased, why?

Now for a question about two extrasolar planets very near our solar 
system: HD209458, and 51Pegasi.
Are these planets inhabited by living entities, either physically 
embodied or astral?  If so, which of the planets has the most 
intelligent creatures and what is their appearance?

Thanks a lot for your help!




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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS feature

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> 
> Could be. As Llundrub's and my exchange locally demonstrates, waking 
> up is dependent on nothing. I'll keep saying my prayers, silly as 
> that seems, and hope for the best. Thanks.
> 
> 
> 
> Well, I am an MIU grad though and sidha of 20 years, and was 
surrounded by rudraksha and Siva lingas. The fact that I had 
completely fallen didn't apparently remove me from the list of 
potential awakened ones though.  And then as I looked back more things 
came into focus like initiations I had taken but discounted or 
forgotten, like I was initiated by a devotee of Dattatreya when I was 
fourteen, and by the Golden Dawn, and so on.  So far from being 
dependent on nothing, it was dependent upon everything more than 
likely.

Intention seems to play a BIG part doesn't it?  




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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS feature

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> 
> --- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub"
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> > > ---Yeah but do you see the devas?
> > 
> > Not sure what you mean by devas. I'll say that I
> > have seen beings that 
> > are not commonly seen. However, in my opinion, that
> > sight must be 
> > cultured; one puts one's attention on *subtle
> > sight*, which is 
> > different from concentrated sight, and all kinds of
> > beings start to 
> > appear. A favorite example of mine is the angel
> > energy that can be 
> > seen near hospitals.
> 
> I spent two months in traction in a hospital (along
> with John Hagelin) when I was 17. Every night around
> 10:30 pm a healing "angel" would appear in the center
> of our four bed room and radiate such sweet healing
> energy for several minutes then it would switch off
> and she/he would move on. Interesting experience.
> 
Makes sense.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS feature

--- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub"
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> > ---Yeah but do you see the devas?
> 
> Not sure what you mean by devas. I'll say that I
> have seen beings that 
> are not commonly seen. However, in my opinion, that
> sight must be 
> cultured; one puts one's attention on *subtle
> sight*, which is 
> different from concentrated sight, and all kinds of
> beings start to 
> appear. A favorite example of mine is the angel
> energy that can be 
> seen near hospitals.

I spent two months in traction in a hospital (along
with John Hagelin) when I was 17. Every night around
10:30 pm a healing "angel" would appear in the center
of our four bed room and radiate such sweet healing
energy for several minutes then it would switch off
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> 
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Could be. As Llundrub's and my exchange locally 
demonstrates, waking up is dependent on nothing. I'll keep saying my 
prayers, silly as that seems, and hope for the best. 
Thanks.Well, I am an MIU grad though and 
sidha of 20 years, and was surrounded by rudraksha and Siva lingas. The fact 
that I had completely fallen didn't apparently remove me from the list of 
potential awakened ones though.  And then as I looked back more things came 
into focus like initiations I had taken but discounted or forgotten, like I was 
initiated by a devotee of Dattatreya when I was fourteen, and by the Golden 
Dawn, and so on.  So far from being dependent on nothing, it was dependent 
upon everything more than likely.  But it wasn't dependent upon my then 
present activity. Though I'm sure I was struggling to surface from a long 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS feature

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> -
> -I think maybe, the 'Times are a Changin', right now, as a matter 
of 
> fact;
>   My daughter recently, who is currently living in NYC, and who 
> rarely meditates, described to me a spontaneous experience of 
> witnessing she has been experiencing lately; and feels that it 
just  
> her natural state; she is an actress and an artist, and has been 
> very into athletics, very physically competitive.  
>   She feels a light radiating from her, that attracts to her many 
> friends, that ask her advice on things in their life, and she 
really 
> enjoys feeling the compassion of helping.
>   I am noticing more and more, people waking up, in subtle ways, 
> people in the news business, reporters in particular, taking more 
> chances and cutting through the bull.
>   Perhaps the time is already here, on some level, where, this 
> experience is becoming more commonplace.
>   One thing that Eckhart Tolle has said, in his opinion, that 
> humanity is doomed to destruction, unless we wake up; he added, 
that 
> he thought it would happen, because as a species, the survival 
> instinct would be strong enough to break the mass hypnosis egoic 
> thinking,  that has had humanity in it's grip, for centuries.
> 
> 
Could be. As Llundrub's and my exchange locally demonstrates, waking 
up is dependent on nothing. I'll keep saying my prayers, silly as 
that seems, and hope for the best. Thanks.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS feature

-
-I think maybe, the 'Times are a Changin', right now, as a matter of 
fact;
  My daughter recently, who is currently living in NYC, and who 
rarely meditates, described to me a spontaneous experience of 
witnessing she has been experiencing lately; and feels that it just  
her natural state; she is an actress and an artist, and has been 
very into athletics, very physically competitive.  
  She feels a light radiating from her, that attracts to her many 
friends, that ask her advice on things in their life, and she really 
enjoys feeling the compassion of helping.
  I am noticing more and more, people waking up, in subtle ways, 
people in the news business, reporters in particular, taking more 
chances and cutting through the bull.
  Perhaps the time is already here, on some level, where, this 
experience is becoming more commonplace.
  One thing that Eckhart Tolle has said, in his opinion, that 
humanity is doomed to destruction, unless we wake up; he added, that 
he thought it would happen, because as a species, the survival 
instinct would be strong enough to break the mass hypnosis egoic 
thinking,  that has had humanity in it's grip, for centuries.


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wrote:
> > ---Yeah but do you see the devas?
> 
> Not sure what you mean by devas. I'll say that I have seen beings 
that 
> are not commonly seen. However, in my opinion, that sight must be 
> cultured; one puts one's attention on *subtle sight*, which is 
> different from concentrated sight, and all kinds of beings start 
to 
> appear. A favorite example of mine is the angel energy that can be 
> seen near hospitals.
> 
> But I don't find it interesting to put my attention there anymore. 
> Rather, the entire world is transformed into a kind of pleasant 
super 
> reality, where there is just as much fascination with the 
seemingly 
> mundane as there is with the extra-sensory.
> 
> As you observed earlier, the apparently self-congratulatory tone 
of 
> the awakened is something peculiar to this age. In any other more 
> enlightened epoch, all of this which we speak of would be entirely 
> normal. Wonderful, but nonetheless commonplace.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Lung Cancer list

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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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> As you well know, Judy, implication and stating something exactly 
> are two different things.  It is a tactic that you have perfected 
> over the years and use with regularity.

Not with intent to deceive.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jagger Gets Brave/ Slams Pres. Bush..'

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> > Ooh, Jagger is such a courageous opinion-maker putting himself 
out 
> > there and risking the wrath of the powers that be. Ooh, what a 
> > trailblazer.
> > 
> > It should be noted that the last time Jagger and the Rolling 
Stones 
> > ever tried to do something controversial was back in the '70s 
when 
> > they wrote and recorded the song "Claudine" about Andy Williams' 
ex-
> > wife Claudine Longet who murdered her lover, ski Champion Spider 
> > Sabish, in 1976 and served only 30 days in an Aspen, Colorado 
> jail.  
> > Those brave souls, the Rolling Stones, were so fearful of being 
> sued 
> > by Longet, that they never released the song and it is only 
> > available as a bootleg.
> > 
> > At least Bob Dylan recorded and released "Hurricane" in support 
of 
> > Rubin "Hurricane" Carter (who, of course, turned out to be so 
> > obviously guilty as hell).
> > 
> > Boy, that Mick is really brave, isn't he?
> 
> And the last time *you* did anything cool
> for the world was when, exactly?

...when I challenged you on the claim that you witnessed true, real 
levitation...




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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Lung Cancer list

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> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > So, Rick, you're the only one who answered my queries but I 
> must 
> > > > conclude that if you are a supporter of Clinton you are, 
> whether 
> > > > you're aware of it or not, a conservative in good standing!
> > > 
> > > Bear in mind, this is the guy who called Al Gore, Sr.,
> > > a "racist segregationist"
> > 
> > 
> > He was.  Public record.
> 
> No, the public record shows to the contrary,
> as you know.  I'm not going to get into it
> again with you.
> 
> > People here can make up their own minds without you having to 
> > decide that for them.
> 
> If they don't know anything about Al Gore's
> father, they need information to make up
> their minds.  That's what I provided, to
> counter your slanderous misinformation.
> 
> > > and claims nothing Bush & Co.
> > > have done is anywhere *near* as bad as what Sandy
> > > Berger did--among other, um, interesting
> > > perspectives.
> > 
> > In the words of Judy Stein, show me exactly where I said such a 
> > thing...
> 
> "Do a little exercise: compare the worst that has been said about
> Rove and Bush in this whole 'leak' affair and assume that it is all
> true. Then compare that to what Sandy Berger did when he stole
> classified documents in his socks."
> 
> Now you're going to claim you never meant to imply
> what Berger did was worse, right?

As you well know, Judy, implication and stating something exactly 
are two different things.  It is a tactic that you have perfected 
over the years and use with regularity.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Answers from Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" 
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> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > The other thing to look at though is rising sign, which can 
> > > mitigate 
> > > > the sun sign. I'm Gemini but Taurus rising, so it has a 
> > > stabilizing 
> > > > influence. On the other hand, we Geminis are the life of the 
> > > party, 
> > > > can learn anything, and easy to get along with.
> > > > 
> > > > ---Actually, being a double Libra, I get along really well 
> with 
> > > Geminis, but that's as friends. However, I figure they're a 
bit 
> > too 
> > > mental to live a very long and stable life as my child. I 
would 
> > > prefer an earth sign, a child with some stability. 
> > > > 
> > > > Funny that my current wife was giving me a hard time about 
my 
> > > geminian 
> > > > traits (she's an Aquarius) until I looked at her chart and 
saw 
> > > that 
> > > > her rising sign was...you guessed it, Gemini.
> > > > 
> > > > That sounds like fun. 
> > > > 
> > > > Easiest way to avoid adding another Gemini is try to 
concieve 
> > now. 
> > > > August + 9 = Pisces, I think...
> > > > 
> > > > That would be weird.  I've never known a Pisces I think.
> > > 
> > > Would be weirder if the child were born a Pisces 9 months from 
> > now --
> > >  more likely a Taurus :-)
> > 
> > Yeah, I was too lazy to pull my astrology card out of my wallet 
> and 
> > calculate it. Seemed like a good compromise between taking it 
> > seriously, or not. Thanks for the precision though.
> 
> *lol* well, semi-precise from the Western Astrologer's POV -- 
woould 
> probably be an Aries in Jyotish, and a Gemini in the Taurus-
> Equinox "Purusha" system :-)

I appreciate that! 

Just taking it in, like a baby does, and then one of these days, 
I'll go, 'Oh right...*that's* what he was talking about!'




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Answers from Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2005-08-10 Thread Rory Goff

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > 
> > > The other thing to look at though is rising sign, which can 
> > mitigate 
> > > the sun sign. I'm Gemini but Taurus rising, so it has a 
> > stabilizing 
> > > influence. On the other hand, we Geminis are the life of the 
> > party, 
> > > can learn anything, and easy to get along with.
> > > 
> > > ---Actually, being a double Libra, I get along really well 
with 
> > Geminis, but that's as friends. However, I figure they're a bit 
> too 
> > mental to live a very long and stable life as my child. I would 
> > prefer an earth sign, a child with some stability. 
> > > 
> > > Funny that my current wife was giving me a hard time about my 
> > geminian 
> > > traits (she's an Aquarius) until I looked at her chart and saw 
> > that 
> > > her rising sign was...you guessed it, Gemini.
> > > 
> > > That sounds like fun. 
> > > 
> > > Easiest way to avoid adding another Gemini is try to concieve 
> now. 
> > > August + 9 = Pisces, I think...
> > > 
> > > That would be weird.  I've never known a Pisces I think.
> > 
> > Would be weirder if the child were born a Pisces 9 months from 
> now --
> >  more likely a Taurus :-)
> 
> Yeah, I was too lazy to pull my astrology card out of my wallet 
and 
> calculate it. Seemed like a good compromise between taking it 
> seriously, or not. Thanks for the precision though.

*lol* well, semi-precise from the Western Astrologer's POV -- woould 
probably be an Aries in Jyotish, and a Gemini in the Taurus-
Equinox "Purusha" system :-)





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Answers from Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > 
> > The other thing to look at though is rising sign, which can 
> mitigate 
> > the sun sign. I'm Gemini but Taurus rising, so it has a 
> stabilizing 
> > influence. On the other hand, we Geminis are the life of the 
> party, 
> > can learn anything, and easy to get along with.
> > 
> > ---Actually, being a double Libra, I get along really well with 
> Geminis, but that's as friends. However, I figure they're a bit 
too 
> mental to live a very long and stable life as my child. I would 
> prefer an earth sign, a child with some stability. 
> > 
> > Funny that my current wife was giving me a hard time about my 
> geminian 
> > traits (she's an Aquarius) until I looked at her chart and saw 
> that 
> > her rising sign was...you guessed it, Gemini.
> > 
> > That sounds like fun. 
> > 
> > Easiest way to avoid adding another Gemini is try to concieve 
now. 
> > August + 9 = Pisces, I think...
> > 
> > That would be weird.  I've never known a Pisces I think.
> 
> Would be weirder if the child were born a Pisces 9 months from 
now --
>  more likely a Taurus :-)

Yeah, I was too lazy to pull my astrology card out of my wallet and 
calculate it. Seemed like a good compromise between taking it 
seriously, or not. Thanks for the precision though.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Unity and sidhis

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> 
> 
> Good stuff. Two observations on awakening: Before awakening, the 
> self burns with the desire to awaken, every action and thought is 
> scrutinized with regard to its relationship to awakening. Guilt 
and 
> fear play large parts in the serious seeker's life, because every 
> action and thought is judged as bringing one closer, or driving 
one 
> further away, from awakening. Before awakening, analysis of states 
> of consciousness and 'what the teacher said' become of paramount 
> importance in the seeker's life.
> 
> 
> 
> -I couldn't agree less.  I started awakening sitting at bars 
snorting coke, smoking weed, while on methadone,  getting 
shitfaced.  I was wearing a strand of three faced rudraksha with a 
one faced guru bead.  Shortly before 9/11 the devas started poking 
out of everything and I said, "That's it, I must have broken a blood 
vessel in my brain." Then they never went away again.  So instead of 
deciding I was crazy I decided to search the experience out on the 
internet, all the while going, "Why me?  I'm nothing special!  I'm 
just a typical dumbass in New orleans who likes to party." 

Interesting, your last statement ('Why me...'). I've often felt 
exactly the same way. And in the above description of my preawakened 
state, I was referring to my inner state of mind and heart. I chose 
not to comment on my outer behaviors.

> 
> I didn't have to do anything, and I mean anything to awaken.  Now 
I'm glad you used the word awakening because I'm anything but 
enlightened. Though I know what it means and will mean, if I make it 
there. 
> 
> 
> 
> After awakening, everything is more easily known. Spiritual 
> knowledge becomes more like any other knowledge. More balanced. If 
> it requires too much effort to know, find out later. Compared to 
the 
> earlier state, it almost seems as if one becomes indifferent to 
> spiritual matters. The interest is still there, and yet finding 
out 
> is more like floating down a river vs climbing a mountain.
> 
> This is true. There's no mysteries in heaven that I can't figure 
out within a few moments. 
> 
> But I've found that I have to put more effort into spiritual 
practice or I really totally go off the program, and based on what 
you know of me I guess you can figure out what that means.  
> 
> It's different for everybody. 
> 
> 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Answers from Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2005-08-10 Thread Rory Goff

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> 
> The other thing to look at though is rising sign, which can 
mitigate 
> the sun sign. I'm Gemini but Taurus rising, so it has a 
stabilizing 
> influence. On the other hand, we Geminis are the life of the 
party, 
> can learn anything, and easy to get along with.
> 
> ---Actually, being a double Libra, I get along really well with 
Geminis, but that's as friends. However, I figure they're a bit too 
mental to live a very long and stable life as my child. I would 
prefer an earth sign, a child with some stability. 
> 
> Funny that my current wife was giving me a hard time about my 
geminian 
> traits (she's an Aquarius) until I looked at her chart and saw 
that 
> her rising sign was...you guessed it, Gemini.
> 
> That sounds like fun. 
> 
> Easiest way to avoid adding another Gemini is try to concieve now. 
> August + 9 = Pisces, I think...
> 
> That would be weird.  I've never known a Pisces I think.

Would be weirder if the child were born a Pisces 9 months from now --
 more likely a Taurus :-)





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unity and sidhis






Good stuff. Two observations on awakening: Before awakening, the 
self burns with the desire to awaken, every action and thought is 
scrutinized with regard to its relationship to awakening. Guilt and fear 
play large parts in the serious seeker's life, because every action and 
thought is judged as bringing one closer, or driving one further away, from 
awakening. Before awakening, analysis of states of consciousness and 'what 
the teacher said' become of paramount importance in the seeker's 
life.
 
 
-I couldn't agree less.  I started awakening 
sitting at bars snorting coke, smoking weed, while on methadone,  getting 
shitfaced.  I was wearing a strand of three faced rudraksha with a one 
faced guru bead.  Shortly before 9/11 the devas started poking out of 
everything and I said, "That's it, I must have broken a blood vessel in my 
brain." Then they never went away again.  So instead of deciding I was 
crazy I decided to search the experience out on the internet, all the while 
going, "Why me?  I'm nothing special!  I'm just a typical dumbass in 
New orleans who likes to party."  
 
I didn't have to do anything, and I mean anything 
to awaken.  Now I'm glad you used the word awakening because I'm anything 
but enlightened. Though I know what it means and will mean, if I make it there. 

 
 
After awakening, everything is more easily known. Spiritual 
knowledge becomes more like any other knowledge. More balanced. If it 
requires too much effort to know, find out later. Compared to the earlier 
state, it almost seems as if one becomes indifferent to spiritual matters. 
The interest is still there, and yet finding out is more like floating down 
a river vs climbing a mountain.
 
This is true. There's no mysteries in heaven that I 
can't figure out within a few moments. 
 
But I've found that I have to put more effort into 
spiritual practice or I really totally go off the program, and based on what you 
know of me I guess you can figure out what that means.  
 
It's different for everybody. 






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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS feature

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ---Yeah but do you see the devas?

Not sure what you mean by devas. I'll say that I have seen beings that 
are not commonly seen. However, in my opinion, that sight must be 
cultured; one puts one's attention on *subtle sight*, which is 
different from concentrated sight, and all kinds of beings start to 
appear. A favorite example of mine is the angel energy that can be 
seen near hospitals.

But I don't find it interesting to put my attention there anymore. 
Rather, the entire world is transformed into a kind of pleasant super 
reality, where there is just as much fascination with the seemingly 
mundane as there is with the extra-sensory.

As you observed earlier, the apparently self-congratulatory tone of 
the awakened is something peculiar to this age. In any other more 
enlightened epoch, all of this which we speak of would be entirely 
normal. Wonderful, but nonetheless commonplace.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Lung Cancer list






> > --Hey, I think Laura's really hot! > > You've 
been in Iowa far too long.I hate to say it, but maybe he means she's 
hotter than hell... -I used to do a little 
skit where I was Mrs. Bush and I had George's balls in my hand, and while I 
squeezed my fingernails into them I talked in a deep voice like Linda Blair from 
the Exorcist telling George what to do.  
 
Because I think she looks as soulless as the 
vacant stare on a freshly raped eighty year old wino. 





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[FairfieldLife] 'Good Site @The Tower of Babel...'

Someone passed this on to me, so I pass it on to you.

> Google's Language Tools:
> http://www.google.ca/language_tools?hl=en
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> AltaVista's BabelFish translator
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Lung Cancer list

---Well, hot can mean lot's of things, I guess; I've always been 
attracted to 'powerful women',
And let's face it, without Laura, George would be just another Texas 
drunk.


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> > > --Hey, I think Laura's really hot! 
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> > You've been in Iowa far too long.
> 
> I hate to say it, but maybe he means she's hotter than hell...





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS feature






---Yeah but do you see the devas?
 
 
Good explanation, except that based on the way Maharishi has taught 
it, I always got the impression that there was some sort of linear, 
waterfall-like experience leading from cc to gc to brahman, as one state 
became realized, it overflowed into the next, and so on. And it just didn't 
happen that way for me. I had cc experiences that were fleeting and on the 
background of intense suffering, and the same with gc. Then a quick 
unraveling of it all, and literally one day I awoke and there was no more 
path, or more appropriately, I experienced complete freedom in terms of 
spiritual evolution; no more 'seeker's burn'. All the 'signposts' 
evaporated. There was no 'juice' left in any of it and from then on I have 
had oneness predominating in my awareness and perception. The diversity of 
the world is still there, but it has just switched places in my awareness 
with oneness. Diversity is secondary now.The reason I share this is 
because I think it is a common expectation among TMers that they will do cc, 
then get established in it- witnessing all the time, and then that will 
spill over into gc, experiencing the finest relative all the time, and so 
on.Maybe some folks do it like that, only that wasn't my 
experience.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Lung Cancer list

---I'm in Seattle, not Iowa, and I am entitled to my opinion, thankyou.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Unity and sidhis

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> Peter asks:
> Tom! You talk as if you're not even there...or even
> here.where are you? ;-)
> 
> Tom T:
> How should I know? Have no answer to that question that would make 
any
> sense. Thanks for asking though. Tom
> 
> from Adyashanti  Emptiness Dancing
> A Story is Just a Story
> 
> What you are without your role is often assumed to be hidden
> somewhere. And so when you let go of your role, when you look past
> the character called "me" for the truth of your being, you may 
think
> that there's a someone to find who is somehow hidden. 
> 
> If this happens, when you come into this state of openness, you may
> think, "There's nobody here, but I'll look for it anyway, look for
> the Self, the Truth, the enlightened me." Looking for the 
enlightened
> self is just another role, another script. It's part of the 
spiritual
> seeker's script. If you drop that script -- now what are you? 
> 
> Of course, the reason I ask you to inquire into what you are is
> because, at this moment, you are living the answer. Nothing that I
> would tell you is a substitute for that aliveness, for that living 
of
> the answer. 
> 
> That's why it has been said many times that only the people who
> don't know who they are, are the ones who are awake. Everyone else
> knows who he or she is. They are their script, whatever their 
script
> is, even if that script is, "I'm not awake." 
> 
> Awakeness is to have no script, to know that ultimately a script is
> just a script, and a story is just a story.

Good stuff. Two observations on awakening: Before awakening, the 
self burns with the desire to awaken, every action and thought is 
scrutinized with regard to its relationship to awakening. Guilt and 
fear play large parts in the serious seeker's life, because every 
action and thought is judged as bringing one closer, or driving one 
further away, from awakening. Before awakening, analysis of states 
of consciousness and 'what the teacher said' become of paramount 
importance in the seeker's life.

After awakening, everything is more easily known. Spiritual 
knowledge becomes more like any other knowledge. More balanced. If 
it requires too much effort to know, find out later. Compared to the 
earlier state, it almost seems as if one becomes indifferent to 
spiritual matters. The interest is still there, and yet finding out 
is more like floating down a river vs climbing a mountain.

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[FairfieldLife] Fwd: Four locations to radiate peace from sunrise to sunset

2005-08-10 Thread Ron F

Note: forwarded message attached.

Four locations to radiate peace from sunrise to sunset
by GGN staff writer
Global Good News 
28 July 2005
On the fifth day of the Guru Purnima celebrations, full moon day dedicated to 
the
Guru in the Vedic Calendar, and the final day of an eight-day international
conference, Maharishi gave a beautiful talk in which a new programme was 
announced
for the generation of indomitable coherence through continuous Yogic Flying from
sunrise to sunset in four locations around the world. 
This past week, many thousands of citizens of the Global Country of World Peace,
peace-loving citizens and practitioners of Maharishi's Transcendental Meditation
Technique in every nation, gathered at the elegant international Capital of the
Global Country of World Peace in Meru, Holland or connected via satellite and
Internet broadcast to participate in an historic global celebration and 
conference
to usher in Satya Yuga, a new time of peace and happiness for the world. 
The following is a paraphrase of Maharishi's talk: 
Referring to the illustrious leaders and supporters of the Global Country of 
World
Peace who had gathered in the grand conference halls of Meru, Holland, Maharishi
said that we want always to have this family of the enlightened here. We don't 
want
to lose this atmosphere. We want coherence radiating from here continually. So 
we'll
establish a University here at the Capital of the Global Country of World Peace.
Maharaja Nadar Raam's knowledge will be available here. This will be a place for
enlightenment to be always lively. 
Maharishi announced that a group of about 2,000 Yogic Flyers will be 
established at
the Capital in Meru. He gave a vision of this new programme in which first one 
group
of 500 Yogic Flyers will fly for an hour, then they'll go and rest. Then, a 
second
group of 500 Yogic Flyers will fly for an hour, then they'll go and rest. Then a
third group of 500 Yogic Flyers will fly for an hour, then they'll go and rest, 
and
the first will group will come and fly again. From almost sunrise to sunset 
we'll
have Yogic Flying and Kali Yuga will have no place (suffering and problems will 
have
no place). 
Maharishi said that one such group will be established in Europe and one in 
South
America. Raja Wynne will establish one in Vedic America, and there will also be 
one
established in India. In each of these four places at least, 2,000 Yogic Flyers 
will
be quietly radiating peace. 
The goal is to set this up within the next six months. This will be the combined
target of all the Rajas. 
Maharishi went on to say that at the beginning of the Movement, it was enough to
speak in terms of relaxation. But now our awareness is opening to the 
self-referral
field of Total Knowledge, and having been awake to this field, there is no 
chance of
making mistakes. Every father has only to tell his son to bask in the sunshine 
of
this field and he'll only do right. 
This is going to be the voice of every Peace Palace. All these things, all these
projects will start to materialize quickly. It's a beautiful feeling. 
Maharishi quoted a Vedic _expression and gave its translation: You remain a 
means in
the hand of the Almighty, you function as the Almighty, you function according 
to
the functioning of the Constitution of the Universe. You remain a means in the 
hand
of Guru Dev. 
Near the beginning of Maharishi's talk, His Exellency Dr Eike Hartmann announced
that an architect, who is also able to arrange financing, was coming the 
following
day to start the plans and construction of the new Vastu buildings (buildings
constructed according the principles of Vedic Architecture) for the group of 
2,000
Yogic Flyers at the International Capital of the Global Country of World Peace. 
Maharishi, said that every area around the world will have this same kind of 
support
from architects and builders. We'll have thousands of builders in every area
simultaneously. He said that just as we have been building on the abstract 
level,
these builders have been building on the ground. They have all the knowledge and
expertise needed for the task. 
With these new buildings and new programme of continuous Yogic Flying, Maharishi
said that we will have Guru Purnima everyday. 
At the conclusion of Mararishi's talk, Maharishi said to Maharaja Nadar Raam-ji 
that
we are very proud to celebrate with our enlightened family, and they'll be the
lighthouses for the world. All together we say Jai Guru Dev, Jai Guru Dev, Jai 
Guru
Dev. 
The conference took place in the grandeur of the international Capital of the 
Global
Country of World Peace, set amidst magnificent formal gardens, fountains and 
acres
of woodland. Its elegant, spacious central building, constructed of all-natural
materials, was designed entirely according to the principles of Vedic 
Architecture. 
Inside, the conference halls were lavishly decorated with golden thrones for the
Rajas, large arrangements of fresh flowers and stately gree

[FairfieldLife] Re: Unity and sidhis

2005-08-10 Thread tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis

Peter asks:
Tom! You talk as if you're not even there...or even
here.where are you? ;-)

Tom T:
How should I know? Have no answer to that question that would make any
sense. Thanks for asking though. Tom

from Adyashanti  Emptiness Dancing
A Story is Just a Story

What you are without your role is often assumed to be hidden
somewhere. And so when you let go of your role, when you look past
the character called "me" for the truth of your being, you may think
that there's a someone to find who is somehow hidden. 

If this happens, when you come into this state of openness, you may
think, "There's nobody here, but I'll look for it anyway, look for
the Self, the Truth, the enlightened me." Looking for the enlightened
self is just another role, another script. It's part of the spiritual
seeker's script. If you drop that script -- now what are you? 

Of course, the reason I ask you to inquire into what you are is
because, at this moment, you are living the answer. Nothing that I
would tell you is a substitute for that aliveness, for that living of
the answer. 

That's why it has been said many times that only the people who
don't know who they are, are the ones who are awake. Everyone else
knows who he or she is. They are their script, whatever their script
is, even if that script is, "I'm not awake." 

Awakeness is to have no script, to know that ultimately a script is
just a script, and a story is just a story. 







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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS feature

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> 
> > Good explanation, except that based on the way Maharishi has 
taught 
> > it, I always got the impression that there was some sort of 
linear, 
> > waterfall-like experience leading from cc to gc to brahman, as 
one 
> > state became realized, it overflowed into the next, and so on. 
And 
> > it just didn't happen that way for me. I had cc experiences that 
> > were fleeting and on the background of intense suffering, and 
the 
> > same with gc. 
> > 
> > Then a quick unraveling of it all, and literally one day I awoke 
> > and there was no more path, or more appropriately, I experienced 
> > complete freedom in terms of spiritual evolution; no 
more 'seeker's 
> > burn'. All the 'signposts' evaporated. There was no 'juice' left 
in 
> > any of it and from then on I have had oneness predominating in 
my 
> > awareness and perception. The diversity of the world is still 
> > there, but it has just switched places in my awareness with 
> > oneness. Diversity is secondary now.
> > 
> > The reason I share this is because I think it is a common 
> > expectation among TMers that they will do cc, then get 
established 
> > in it- witnessing all the time, and then that will spill over 
into 
> > gc, experiencing the finest relative all the time, and so on.
> 
> That's what I thought at first, but it became clear
> after a while that CC, GC, and UC were labels for
> certain distinct types of experiences, points on a
> continuum, rather than for sequential states, although
> the experiences tend to develop in that general
> direction.
> 
> On the other hand, if someone is having stable,
> prolonged experiences that fit the description
> attached to the label God consciousness, for 
> example, perhaps it wouldn't be wrong to say the
> person was "in" God consciousness or had "achieved"
> God consciousness?

I agree that then a person could be said to be 'in' gc. or cc. I've 
just never heard of anyone doing it that way, so I really don't 
know. 




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[FairfieldLife] Fwd: DOME ANNOUNCE - TM IN THE NEWS plus GITA 1-18 reading

2005-08-10 Thread George DeForest

-- Original Message --
Received: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 02:56:12 PM PDT
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Subject: DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS--Baghavad Gita, TM in the news

1. Bhagavad-Gita Sunday, August 14th, and Sunday, August 28th
2. TM in the News

1. Bhagavad-Gita Sunday, August 14th, and Sunday, August 28th

"The Bhagavad-Gita is the Light of Life, lit by God at the altar of man, to
save humanity from the darkness of ignorance and suffering. It is a
scripture which outlives time, and can be acknowledged as indispensable to
the life of any man in any age." --  Maharishi, 1969, p. 19.

This weekend, Sunday, August 14th, read and sing the Bhagavad Gita.
1:15-2:30 p.m., Room 111: Maharishi Veda Bhavan, $10.00 at the door.

Sunday, August 28th, hear all 18 chapters of Maharishi¹s English translation
of the Bhagavad-Gita read aloud.

Maharishi Veda Bhavan 12:30  3:45 p.m. $25.00 at the door.
NO CHARGE FOR .M.U.M. and MSAE STUDENTS, FACULTY & STAFF

2. TM in the News

There was a great article about Maharishi Vedic Architecture in American Way
Magazine, a free magazine on all American Airlines flights.

*** 
David Lynch's inauguration of a foundation to make the Transcendental
Meditation technique available to students and to create world peace has
made major headlines.

This excellent inteview appeared on the Newsweek web site:

The Magic of Meditation - Newsweek Health Beat - MSNBC.com

***

The Chronicle of Higher Education also covered this.

>From the issue dated August 5, 2005
Filmmaker Wants Students to Chill Out With Transcendental Meditation
By ERIC HOOVER

In the late 1960s, college students closed their eyes, expanded their minds,
and made meditation a fad on campuses. Now David Lynch wants them to do it
again.

In July Mr. Lynch, director of the films Blue Velvet, Eraserhead, and
Mulholland Drive, announced the establishment of the David Lynch Foundation
for Consciousness-Based Education and World Peace, an organization that will
promote the mental and physical benefits of Transcendental Meditation.

Mr. Lynch, who says he has shut his eyes and entered the "field of oneness"
twice each day for 32 years, plans to begin a speaking tour of 50 colleges
this fall to tout meditation as a tool for overcoming anxiety and stress.
"It's an ingredient that's missing from education," he says.

The Indian guru Maharishi Mahesh Yogi introduced Transcendental Meditation,
known as "diving within," a half-century ago (and later taught the Beatles
his method for chilling out). The mental technique is practiced silently for
15 to 20 minutes twice a day. Researchers have found that it can reduce high
blood pressure and improve brain function, among other health benefits.

Proponents say meditating also can raise students' academic performance and
foster creativity. Students who meditate achieve a state of "relaxed
alertness" that helps them complete assignments more easily, says William R.
Stixrud, a clinical neuropsychologist based in Silver Spring, Md., and a
member of the foundation's Board of Advisers.

Mr. Lynch's own descriptions of Transcendental Meditation are no less
imaginative than his films, in which time does strange things and symbols
leap out of the unconscious. Meditating, he says, is a "dive into pure
creativity" that has helped him realize his artistic potential, a portal to
the source of "love, consciousness, creativity, and power" that in a mere
two weeks transformed him from an angry man to a happy fellow.

"It is this light you turn on that gets rid of negativity," he says.

'Bright, Shiny Pennies'

Mr. Lynch believes that frazzled high-school and college students are in
need of such a light because of academic pressures, fatigue, and stress. He
imagines a world in which each student has one class period a day to
experience silence and bliss.

Recently some elementary and secondary schools have started after-school
meditation programs. Some colleges, too, offer meditation instruction.
Gregory Kuhlman, director of the counseling program at Brooklyn College of
the City University of New York, says his staff suggests meditation and
other relaxation training to some students to help them "manage anxiety."

Mr. Lynch became convinced that the practice could benefit young adults
after attending a series of skits performed by high-school students who had
learned meditation at Maharishi University of Management, in Fairfield,
Iowa. "They seemed like bright, shiny pennies," he says of the actors.
"There was a consciousness that came off them that I never had seen."

The foundation, which he established with his own money, intends to finance
meditation classes for students as well as institutional research on the
physiological effects of the technique.

Bob Roth, the foundation's program director and a meditation instructor,
says the

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS feature

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

> Good explanation, except that based on the way Maharishi has taught 
> it, I always got the impression that there was some sort of linear, 
> waterfall-like experience leading from cc to gc to brahman, as one 
> state became realized, it overflowed into the next, and so on. And 
> it just didn't happen that way for me. I had cc experiences that 
> were fleeting and on the background of intense suffering, and the 
> same with gc. 
> 
> Then a quick unraveling of it all, and literally one day I awoke 
> and there was no more path, or more appropriately, I experienced 
> complete freedom in terms of spiritual evolution; no more 'seeker's 
> burn'. All the 'signposts' evaporated. There was no 'juice' left in 
> any of it and from then on I have had oneness predominating in my 
> awareness and perception. The diversity of the world is still 
> there, but it has just switched places in my awareness with 
> oneness. Diversity is secondary now.
> 
> The reason I share this is because I think it is a common 
> expectation among TMers that they will do cc, then get established 
> in it- witnessing all the time, and then that will spill over into 
> gc, experiencing the finest relative all the time, and so on.

That's what I thought at first, but it became clear
after a while that CC, GC, and UC were labels for
certain distinct types of experiences, points on a
continuum, rather than for sequential states, although
the experiences tend to develop in that general
direction.

On the other hand, if someone is having stable,
prolonged experiences that fit the description
attached to the label God consciousness, for 
example, perhaps it wouldn't be wrong to say the
person was "in" God consciousness or had "achieved"
God consciousness?

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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Lung Cancer list

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> 
> You've been in Iowa far too long.

I hate to say it, but maybe he means she's hotter than hell... 

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> --Hey, I think Laura's really hot! 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jagger Gets Brave/ Slams Pres. Bush..'

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> Ooh, Jagger is such a courageous opinion-maker putting himself out 
> there and risking the wrath of the powers that be. Ooh, what a 
> trailblazer.
> 
> It should be noted that the last time Jagger and the Rolling Stones 
> ever tried to do something controversial was back in the '70s when 
> they wrote and recorded the song "Claudine" about Andy Williams' ex-
> wife Claudine Longet who murdered her lover, ski Champion Spider 
> Sabish, in 1976 and served only 30 days in an Aspen, Colorado 
jail.  
> Those brave souls, the Rolling Stones, were so fearful of being 
sued 
> by Longet, that they never released the song and it is only 
> available as a bootleg.
> 
> At least Bob Dylan recorded and released "Hurricane" in support of 
> Rubin "Hurricane" Carter (who, of course, turned out to be so 
> obviously guilty as hell).
> 
> Boy, that Mick is really brave, isn't he?

And the last time *you* did anything cool
for the world was when, exactly?







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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jagger Gets Brave/ Slams Pres. Bush..'

---True, from my experience; good to settle all of that lusty stuff, 
before the wedding, as the little wife can suddenly become your 
worst nightmare!


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> What's with the guilt. I have turned down a couple gorgeous chicks 
because they were a bit too slutty for me. Regrets, yes, later, 
guilt, no, never. If I fucked them now that I'm married then yes, 
guilt. But the wife would find a way to make me pay even if it took 
all eternity. People look elsewhere for the Lords of Karma. Look no 
further than the wife. 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: Robert Gimbel 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 12:17 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jagger Gets Brave/ Slams Pres. 
Bush..'
> 
> 
> -Mick seems to be the ultimate rock star, and has no shame about 
> anything, really, 
> He has claimed to be the most bedded person in the world, having 
> slept with over a thousand women.
> It would be nice if we all could be so, guilt-free!
> 
> 
> -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Jagger mauls Bush 
> > > > (Tuesday August 09, 2005 10:14 AM) 
> > > > 
> > > > The Rolling Stones accuse President George W Bush of being 
> > > > "full of sh*t" on their new album, it has emerged.
> > > 
> > > That Mick, always strutting the obvious.  :-)
> > > 
> > > Really, good for Mick.  Given the respective
> > > levels of personal power involved, I suspect 
> > > that a showdown between Mick and Dubya would 
> > > turn out pretty much like the confrontation 
> > > between Turner and Chas in "Performance."
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I wonder how many readers on this forum are aware of your 
> reference 
> > to "Performance" which I saw about 5 times when it came out when 
I 
> > was about 15 years old.  A pretty groovy movie, but as a 15 year-
> old 
> > I went back again and again for the bath tub scenes in which 
Mick 
> > suds up with the incredibly beautiful Anita Pallenberg (who 
later 
> > married and had children with Keith Richards) and another lady.
> > 
> > The co-director of the movie (it was his first) was Nicolas Roeg 
> > whom I did not appreciate at the time but who has since directed 
> one 
> > of my all-time favourite movies: "Bad Timing (A sensual 
> obsession)" 
> > starring Art Garfunkel, Theresa Russell (who Roeg married), and 
> > Harvey Keitel.  Just an incredible movie that I am constantly 
> trying 
> > to get a DVD copy of but they haven't released it yet in a 
format 
> > compatible for US DVD's.  I once sent away for a video copy on 
> ebay 
> > that was of very poor quality because it was a bootleg and I 
have 
> > never bothered to see it in full because it hurts too much 
seeing 
> a 
> > version where the quality is so bad.
> > 
> > Roeg made three movies where he made had a Rock star in the 
> starring 
> > role: David Bowie ("Man who fell to Earth"), Art Garfunkel ("Bad 
> > Timing"), and Jagger ("Performance")...kinda like that nutty but 
> fun 
> > director Ken Russel who made several movies in the '70s with 
Rock 
> > Stars.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > There is much about Mr. Jagger to be apprec-
> > > iated, in the Tomwise sense of the word. He's
> > > 62, he looks better physically than he's looked
> > > for much of his life, and he's still got the
> > > energy to rock 'n roll.  There are far less cool
> > > ways to pass an incarnation.
> 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS feature

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > --My understanding from Maharishi's teaching is that CC is 
> > enlightenment, because in CC one has transcended the ego, and is 
> > acting from the level of pure consciousness, in CC.
> > 
> > GC or God-Consciousness is developed through advanced techniques, 
> > and the TM-Siddhis
> 
> Can be facilitated, as I understand it, but it'll
> happen anyway, just more slowly.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS feature

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" 
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> ---I agree with you, that is what it was like; and it is hard to 
> imagine someone like that being treated like shit, which is what 
> happened.
> Then again, you can see how Maharishi is ignored and treated badly;
> and how most enlightened people through the ages, suffered at the 
> hands of the ignorant and selfish leaders of the time.
> Socrates was also condemned to death, because his enlightened 
> beliefs, where seen as a threat to the established order.
> Enlightened people are always a threat to the Status Quo, always.
> Even in the TMO, the same thing; enlightened one's are a threat to 
> the status quo.
> 
Speak softly, and carry a big Self...;)





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jagger Gets Brave/ Slams Pres. Bush..'

2005-08-10 Thread Rick Archer

>From a friend:

Here are some of the lyrics from a new Rolling Stones album due out next
month.  "You call yourself a Christian, I call you a hypocrite.  Your call
yourself a Patriot, I think you're full of sh..t."
The song is called "Sweet Neocons" and although Jagger says it's not an
attack on Pres. Bush, ( said it wouldn't be called Sweet Neocon if that were
the case ) it was definitely against the policies he espouses.
Who knows, I may buy my first Stones album next month.  :-)
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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS feature

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --My understanding from Maharishi's teaching is that CC is 
> enlightenment, because in CC one has transcended the ego, and is 
> acting from the level of pure consciousness, in CC.
> 
> GC or God-Consciousness is developed through advanced techniques, 
> and the TM-Siddhis, in that you become aware and experienced with 
> the finest state or impulse of being. That is where God manifests 
at 
> the finest level, the finest intention is where manifestation 
arises.
> 
> Then you begin to see the remarkable quality of creation, and 
> realize the perfection and the beauty of the creation, which is 
> based in love and creativity, and extention of one's self.
> 
> After this, one naturally begins to cognize beyond the finest 
> relative, and realizes that pure-consciousness is all that there 
is; 
> Brahman is all that there is; I am that, thou art that, everything 
> is that. UC and Brahman is the same thing.
> 
> He has said, that it is beneficial for the Master to verify the 
> experience of UC, in that it can be disorienting at first, to be 
One 
> with everything.
> 
Good explanation, except that based on the way Maharishi has taught 
it, I always got the impression that there was some sort of linear, 
waterfall-like experience leading from cc to gc to brahman, as one 
state became realized, it overflowed into the next, and so on. And 
it just didn't happen that way for me. I had cc experiences that 
were fleeting and on the background of intense suffering, and the 
same with gc. 

Then a quick unraveling of it all, and literally one day I awoke and 
there was no more path, or more appropriately, I experienced 
complete freedom in terms of spiritual evolution; no more 'seeker's 
burn'. All the 'signposts' evaporated. There was no 'juice' left in 
any of it and from then on I have had oneness predominating in my 
awareness and perception. The diversity of the world is still there, 
but it has just switched places in my awareness with oneness. 
Diversity is secondary now.

The reason I share this is because I think it is a common 
expectation among TMers that they will do cc, then get established 
in it- witnessing all the time, and then that will spill over into 
gc, experiencing the finest relative all the time, and so on.

Maybe some folks do it like that, only that wasn't my experience.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS feature

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" 
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> --My understanding from Maharishi's teaching is that CC is 
> enlightenment, because in CC one has transcended the ego, and is 
> acting from the level of pure consciousness, in CC.
> 
> GC or God-Consciousness is developed through advanced techniques, 
> and the TM-Siddhis

Can be facilitated, as I understand it, but it'll
happen anyway, just more slowly.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jagger Gets Brave/ Slams Pres. Bush..'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> on 8/10/05 10:52 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >> 
> >> Jagger mauls Bush
> >> (Tuesday August 09, 2005 10:14 AM)
> >> 
> >> The Rolling Stones accuse President George W Bush of being
> >> "full of sh*t" on their new album, it has emerged.
> > 
> > That Mick, always strutting the obvious.  :-)
> > 
> > Really, good for Mick.  Given the respective
> > levels of personal power involved, I suspect
> > that a showdown between Mick and Dubya would
> > turn out pretty much like the confrontation
> > between Turner and Chas in "Performance."
> > 
> > There is much about Mr. Jagger to be apprec-
> > iated, in the Tomwise sense of the word. He's
> > 62, he looks better physically than he's looked
> > for much of his life, and he's still got the
> > energy to rock 'n roll.  There are far less cool
> > ways to pass an incarnation.
> 
> Now Keith Richards, OTOH.

Keith has his own level of cool.  Wait for the
new Pirates of the Caribbean movie.  :-)






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Lung Cancer list

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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > So, Rick, you're the only one who answered my queries but I 
must 
> > > conclude that if you are a supporter of Clinton you are, 
whether 
> > > you're aware of it or not, a conservative in good standing!
> > 
> > Bear in mind, this is the guy who called Al Gore, Sr.,
> > a "racist segregationist"
> 
> 
> He was.  Public record.

No, the public record shows to the contrary,
as you know.  I'm not going to get into it
again with you.

> People here can make up their own minds without you having to 
> decide that for them.

If they don't know anything about Al Gore's
father, they need information to make up
their minds.  That's what I provided, to
counter your slanderous misinformation.

> > and claims nothing Bush & Co.
> > have done is anywhere *near* as bad as what Sandy
> > Berger did--among other, um, interesting
> > perspectives.
> 
> In the words of Judy Stein, show me exactly where I said such a 
> thing...

"Do a little exercise: compare the worst that has been said about
Rove and Bush in this whole 'leak' affair and assume that it is all
true. Then compare that to what Sandy Berger did when he stole
classified documents in his socks."

Now you're going to claim you never meant to imply
what Berger did was worse, right?

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jagger Gets Brave/ Slams Pres. Bush..'





Could also be that he has been afraid -- 
perhaps justifiably so -- in messing with politics.In the late '60s 
when the Rolling Stones, a British band and identified with 
English-speakers, were in Montreal, Quebec to do a concert, a terrorist 
planted a bomb underneath their equipment truck and blew it to bits.  
This was a time in Quebec in which the Front de la Liberation du Quebec 
(FLQ) was active and was assumed by everyone that they had been responsible 
for the bombing.Perhaps it was this event that made Jagger and the 
Stones shy away from things political ever since.And yet, he 
can't repress his thoughts on Bush.  That's rather telling. 






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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- It was meant to be 'tongue in cheek'; 
> He usually does stay out of politics; can be dangerous and bad for 
> business.

Could also be that he has been afraid -- perhaps justifiably so -- 
in messing with politics.

In the late '60s when the Rolling Stones, a British band and 
identified with English-speakers, were in Montreal, Quebec to do a 
concert, a terrorist planted a bomb underneath their equipment truck 
and blew it to bits.  This was a time in Quebec in which the Front 
de la Liberation du Quebec (FLQ) was active and was assumed by 
everyone that they had been responsible for the bombing.

Perhaps it was this event that made Jagger and the Stones shy away 
from things political ever since.

> 
> 
> In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > Boy, that Mick is really brave, isn't he?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --It's better than nothing.  And the fact that we have all 
heard 
> it means so has the rest of the world. I think it's quite telling.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jagger Gets Brave/ Slams Pres. Bush..'

--- It was meant to be 'tongue in cheek'; 
He usually does stay out of politics; can be dangerous and bad for 
business.


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> 
> Boy, that Mick is really brave, isn't he?
> 
> 
> 
> --It's better than nothing.  And the fact that we have all heard 
it means so has the rest of the world. I think it's quite telling.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS feature

---I agree with you, that is what it was like; and it is hard to 
imagine someone like that being treated like shit, which is what 
happened.
Then again, you can see how Maharishi is ignored and treated badly;
and how most enlightened people through the ages, suffered at the 
hands of the ignorant and selfish leaders of the time.
Socrates was also condemned to death, because his enlightened 
beliefs, where seen as a threat to the established order.
Enlightened people are always a threat to the Status Quo, always.
Even in the TMO, the same thing; enlightened one's are a threat to 
the status quo.

 In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I was there. I knew him. I have memories clear as day. I just 
don't recall the cross. I also don't know why people think he was 
the shit. It's probably due to the fact that the ignorant were 
really really ignorant back then.  He was really smart and wise and 
all, and really got down to the savior business, but then people 
took his teachings and made up a bunch of shit and changed other 
things and lost his techniques and lost his words and left us some 
table scraps from his not so great days.  
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: Robert Gimbel 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 4:28 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS feature
> 
> 
> --- Not sure, I would say it was a cross, since he was singled out 
> and had quite a reputation, there was as you know, special 
treatment 
> given, to the whole event.
> Some time ago, I asked someone who was supposed to have been 
> there, to channel something, that would give me a feeling, of what 
> it was like to be present at the time of Jesus' murder.
> She simply said, " The rocks cried".
> 
> 
> In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > > Hey, since you've read alot about the cruxifiction (Cross 
> Fiction)  
> > could you tell me whether the crosses were actually X shaped?  
> Instead 
> > of T?  
> > > 
> > 
> > some say he was just nailed to a trunk with his arms above his 
> head.
> 
> 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS feature

--My understanding from Maharishi's teaching is that CC is 
enlightenment, because in CC one has transcended the ego, and is 
acting from the level of pure consciousness, in CC.

GC or God-Consciousness is developed through advanced techniques, 
and the TM-Siddhis, in that you become aware and experienced with 
the finest state or impulse of being. That is where God manifests at 
the finest level, the finest intention is where manifestation arises.

Then you begin to see the remarkable quality of creation, and 
realize the perfection and the beauty of the creation, which is 
based in love and creativity, and extention of one's self.

After this, one naturally begins to cognize beyond the finest 
relative, and realizes that pure-consciousness is all that there is; 
Brahman is all that there is; I am that, thou art that, everything 
is that. UC and Brahman is the same thing.

He has said, that it is beneficial for the Master to verify the 
experience of UC, in that it can be disorienting at first, to be One 
with everything.



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> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > I wish the Christians would stop saying that their way 
is 
> > > > > > better than anyone else's. It gets very boring, and it 
is 
> > > > > > untrue. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > And it drowns out the TMers saying the same thing.  :-)
> > > > 
> > > > Although, of course, what TMers say is *about* their
> > > > path, whereas what the Christians say *is* their path.
> > > 
> > > Excellent distinction. And many Christians believe that the 
only 
> > > way to become one with God is to die physically. yow!
> > 
> > Well, no, you can never become one with God, in
> > Christian belief.  Jesus was the one and only who
> > ever was one with God, but he was God to begin with.
> > 
> > > Of course the main shortcoming with TM's teachings is that you 
> can 
> > > wallow in the seven states of conciousness forever without 
> gaining 
> > > enlightenment.
> > 
> > Five, six, and seven *are* enlightenment, according
> > to MMY.
> > 
> > > I don't know if that is an actual shortcoming, or just an 
example
> > > of the expression, 'you can lead a TMer to Brahman, but you 
can't 
> > > make him drink'. 
> > > 
> > > In other words, after Maherishi provides us the tools for 
> > > experiencing the other 4 states of conciousness (tc, cc, gc, 
uc), 
> > > how would he then tell us to go beyond them, to all inclusive 
> > > Brahman? Any ideas anyone?
> > 
> > In my understanding, he says GC and UC, and presumably
> > BC as well--and whatever there is after BC--develop
> > naturally once you've reached CC.
> 
> Thats NOT my understanding. CC is "normal." GC and the rest 
require 
> something more...




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I was there. I knew him. I have 
memories clear as day. I just don't recall the cross. I also don't know why 
people think he was the shit. It's probably due to the fact that the ignorant 
were really really ignorant back then.  He was really smart and wise and 
all, and really got down to the savior business, but then people took his 
teachings and made up a bunch of shit and changed other things and lost his 
techniques and lost his words and left us some table scraps from his not so 
great days.  
 
 
 
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Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 4:28 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS 
feature
--- Not sure, I would say it was a cross, since he was 
singled out and had quite a reputation, there was as you know, special 
treatment given, to the whole event.    Some time ago, I 
asked someone who was supposed to have been there, to channel something, 
that would give me a feeling, of what it was like to be present at the time 
of Jesus' murder.She simply said, " The rocks cried".In 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> --- 
In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:> > Hey, since you've read alot about the cruxifiction 
(Cross Fiction)  > could you tell me whether the crosses were 
actually X shaped?  Instead > of T?  > > > 
> some say he was just nailed to a trunk with his arms above his 
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The other thing to look at though is rising sign, which can mitigate 
the sun sign. I'm Gemini but Taurus rising, so it has a stabilizing 
influence. On the other hand, we Geminis are the life of the party, can 
learn anything, and easy to get along with.
 
---Actually, being a double Libra, I get along really 
well with Geminis, but that's as friends. However, I figure they're a bit too 
mental to live a very long and stable life as my child. I would prefer an earth 
sign, a child with some stability. Funny that my current wife was 
giving me a hard time about my geminian traits (she's an Aquarius) until I 
looked at her chart and saw that her rising sign was...you guessed it, 
Gemini.
 
That sounds like fun. Easiest way to 
avoid adding another Gemini is try to concieve now. August + 9 = Pisces, I 
think...
 
That would be weird.  I've never known a 
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--- Not sure, I would say it was a cross, since he was singled out 
and had quite a reputation, there was as you know, special treatment 
given, to the whole event.
Some time ago, I asked someone who was supposed to have been 
there, to channel something, that would give me a feeling, of what 
it was like to be present at the time of Jesus' murder.
She simply said, " The rocks cried".


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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > Hey, since you've read alot about the cruxifiction (Cross 
Fiction)  
> could you tell me whether the crosses were actually X shaped?  
Instead 
> of T?  
> > 
> 
> some say he was just nailed to a trunk with his arms above his 
head.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Lung Cancer list

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
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> 
> > So, Rick, you're the only one who answered my queries but I must 
> > conclude that if you are a supporter of Clinton you are, whether 
> > you're aware of it or not, a conservative in good standing!
> 
> Bear in mind, this is the guy who called Al Gore, Sr.,
> a "racist segregationist"


He was.  Public record.

People here can make up their own minds without you having to decide 
that for them.




> and claims nothing Bush & Co.
> have done is anywhere *near* as bad as what Sandy
> Berger did--among other, um, interesting
> perspectives.




In the words of Judy Stein, show me exactly where I said such a 
thing...



> 
> The odd thing is, Shemp is really pretty sensible
> when he's talking about TM, whether you agree with
> what he says or not.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Answers from Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Because most Gemini's have mental problems. I mean, I love my best 
friend. He's a Gemini, but he's epileptic. My sister's a Gemini and 
she's bipolar. My wife's brother is Gem and he's schizophrenic.  Just 
don't wanna take any chances. 
> 
> I was just kidding though. Buddha was a Gemini, so there's one.
> 
Yeah, very fast mentally, and it can be tough to manage. My ex was a 
Gemini too and four of us was more than a handful. 

The other thing to look at though is rising sign, which can mitigate 
the sun sign. I'm Gemini but Taurus rising, so it has a stabilizing 
influence. On the other hand, we Geminis are the life of the party, 
can learn anything, and easy to get along with.

Funny that my current wife was giving me a hard time about my geminian 
traits (she's an Aquarius) until I looked at her chart and saw that 
her rising sign was...you guessed it, Gemini.

Easiest way to avoid adding another Gemini is try to concieve now. 
August + 9 = Pisces, I think...

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: World's tallest tower planned in India- link attached






 

Mom, when I die, will I live in a 
vastu heavenly towncloud, or if not then will I go to hell?
 
---Son, it's said that heaven would 
slip onto earth like a thief in the night, otherwise you would have bolted your 
doors against it.
 
So I have to pay Mom, to get in, or 
does Jesus just steal everything?
 





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Mom, when I die, will I live in a 
vastu heavenly towncloud, or if not then will I go to hell?
 
 
- Original Message - 
From: Ingegerd 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 3:59 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: World's tallest tower planned in India- 
link attached
> > CHICAGO: A 224-storey pyramid shaped building, 
the tallest in the > world, is being> > built at Katangi, near 
Indian city of Jabalpur in Madhya Pradesh > state. The> > 
-foot (677m) Center of India Tower scheduled for November 6, > is 
being financed> > by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi (The Beatles former 
spiritual leader), > and will be his new> > world 
headquarters.> >  > I read stuff like this and it 
makes me want to retch.> > And here is more to enjoy...> 
> Global Country of World Peace - FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE 
-_Maharishi to hold global 
news conference Wednesday, 4pm (UK time) - details how to connect via 
Internet, satellite, or telephone - see 
below_ Maharishi's 
Message to the World PressAll Builders Invited to Participate 
inGlobal Reconstruction ProgramBuilders Will ShareTwo-Thirds of 
Their Profit to RapidlyFulfil World Peace Program"Our Global 
Reconstruction Program will raise the world's population 
fromproblem-ridden life to problem-free life-life in accord with Total 
NaturalLaw-life in enlightenment, perfect health, affluence, 
invincibility, andpeace."His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi has 
invited all the builders of everynation to reconstruct the world in 
accord with Natural Law-and to do itsimultaneously and quickly. "Time 
and tide wait for no one," Maharishisaid during his August 3 global news 
conference.Builders will share one-third of their profit with the 
National Peace Fundin their country and another third with the 
International Peace Fund.These funds will be used to construct Peace Palaces 
in every city andfortune-creating homes for the poor.To relieve the 
world of negativity and disharmony,only "Vastu" buildings should be 
built"All developers, builders, architects, engineers, and suppliers 
ofmaterials-everyone-is fondly invited to uphold this project in their 
areaand achieve the goal as soon as possible by building only 
'Vastu'buildings-healthy, fortune-creating buildings laid out according 
theprinciples of Sthapatya Veda, Vedic architecture in harmony with 
NaturalLaw," Maharishi said."Builders will be relieving their 
area from a great amount of negativityand disharmony-problems of health, 
behavior, and other misfortunes-causedby living and working in buildings 
without proper Vastu." (For theadvantages and disadvantages of living and 
not living according to Vastuprinciples, please see 
www.GlobalReconstruction.org).Maharishi said that every government has a 
kind program to constructhousing for the poor, but he strongly encouraged 
governments to constructonly Vastu buildings for this 
purpose."Governments should never build houses that violate the Vastu 
principles,because such housing will bring more misfortune and 
difficulties to thosewho live in them," Maharishi said. "Not knowing 
that violation of Vastuprinciples in the layout of buildings is the 
basic cause of many kinds ofproblems and suffering in life, individuals, 
societies, and nations arepassing time in the waves of 
suffering."Unless people live in Vastu homes, peace will always remain a 
questionmarkMaharishi explained that it needed a scientific age to 
probe into thebetterment of every area of life, and from that came the 
conclusion thatunless people of the world family live in homes built 
according toSthapatya Veda (Vastu), peace on every level-individual 
andcollective-will always remain a question mark everywhere.Global 
Reconstruction Program is now being initiatedin every big city of the 
world"To correct the wrong that has prevailed for centuries, our program 
ofGlobal Reconstruction is being initiated in big cities throughout 
theworld," Maharishi said. "We are inviting developers and builders in 
majorcities of every country to materialise these 'Fortune-Creating 
Buildings'starting with the construction of sample ideal Vastu Peace 
Colonies of afew hundred acres each in the neighbourhood of every major 
city."Maharishi said that once the people experience that their 
problemsdissolve and their creativity blossoms as they live in these newly 
builtVastu homes, then the old cities will be rebuilt very quickly, 
anddevelopers and builders will fulfil their role of providing more 
healthyand more fortunate homes for the population.Every 
developer and builder can fulfil his ambitionto do something really 
good"Let us start," Maharishi told the builders and developers. "Let 
everydeveloper and builder everywhere step onto this fortunate and 
blessedglobal enterprise and fulfil their ambition to do something really 
good byparticipating in this global program for the reconstruction of 
the world.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Answers from Maharishi Mahesh Yogi






Because most Gemini's have mental 
problems. I mean, I love my best friend. He's a Gemini, but he's epileptic. My 
sister's a Gemini and she's bipolar. My wife's brother is Gem and he's 
schizophrenic.  Just don't wanna take any chances. 
 
I was just kidding though. Buddha 
was a Gemini, so there's one.
 
 
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Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 3:47 PM
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
"Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]...> 
wrote:  I want to know if my wife gets knocked up how can I 
prevent a Gemini baby. Why? signed, a 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: World's tallest tower planned in India- link attached

2005-08-10 Thread Ingegerd

 
> > CHICAGO: A 224-storey pyramid shaped building, the tallest in the 
> world, is being
> > built at Katangi, near Indian city of Jabalpur in Madhya Pradesh 
> state. The
> > -foot (677m) Center of India Tower scheduled for November 6, 
> is being financed
> > by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi (The Beatles former spiritual leader), 
> and will be his new
> > world headquarters.
> 
>  
> I read stuff like this and it makes me want to retch.
> 
> And here is more to enjoy...
> 
> Global Country of World Peace 

- FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE -
_

Maharishi to hold global news conference Wednesday, 4pm (UK time) - 
details how to connect via Internet, satellite, or telephone - see 
below
_ 


Maharishi's Message to the World Press

All Builders Invited to Participate in
Global Reconstruction Program

Builders Will Share
Two-Thirds of Their Profit to Rapidly
Fulfil World Peace Program

"Our Global Reconstruction Program will raise the world's population 
from
problem-ridden life to problem-free life-life in accord with Total 
Natural
Law-life in enlightenment, perfect health, affluence, invincibility, 
and
peace."

His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi has invited all the builders of 
every
nation to reconstruct the world in accord with Natural Law-and to do 
it
simultaneously and quickly. "Time and tide wait for no one," Maharishi
said during his August 3 global news conference.

Builders will share one-third of their profit with the National Peace 
Fund
in their country and another third with the International Peace Fund.
These funds will be used to construct Peace Palaces in every city and
fortune-creating homes for the poor.

To relieve the world of negativity and disharmony,
only "Vastu" buildings should be built

"All developers, builders, architects, engineers, and suppliers of
materials-everyone-is fondly invited to uphold this project in their 
area
and achieve the goal as soon as possible by building only 'Vastu'
buildings-healthy, fortune-creating buildings laid out according the
principles of Sthapatya Veda, Vedic architecture in harmony with 
Natural
Law," Maharishi said.

"Builders will be relieving their area from a great amount of 
negativity
and disharmony-problems of health, behavior, and other misfortunes-
caused
by living and working in buildings without proper Vastu." (For the
advantages and disadvantages of living and not living according to 
Vastu
principles, please see www.GlobalReconstruction.org).

Maharishi said that every government has a kind program to construct
housing for the poor, but he strongly encouraged governments to 
construct
only Vastu buildings for this purpose.

"Governments should never build houses that violate the Vastu 
principles,
because such housing will bring more misfortune and difficulties to 
those
who live in them," Maharishi said. "Not knowing that violation of 
Vastu
principles in the layout of buildings is the basic cause of many 
kinds of
problems and suffering in life, individuals, societies, and nations 
are
passing time in the waves of suffering."

Unless people live in Vastu homes, peace will always remain a question
mark

Maharishi explained that it needed a scientific age to probe into the
betterment of every area of life, and from that came the conclusion 
that
unless people of the world family live in homes built according to
Sthapatya Veda (Vastu), peace on every level-individual and
collective-will always remain a question mark everywhere.

Global Reconstruction Program is now being initiated
in every big city of the world

"To correct the wrong that has prevailed for centuries, our program of
Global Reconstruction is being initiated in big cities throughout the
world," Maharishi said. "We are inviting developers and builders in 
major
cities of every country to materialise these 'Fortune-Creating 
Buildings'
starting with the construction of sample ideal Vastu Peace Colonies 
of a
few hundred acres each in the neighbourhood of every major city."

Maharishi said that once the people experience that their problems
dissolve and their creativity blossoms as they live in these newly 
built
Vastu homes, then the old cities will be rebuilt very quickly, and
developers and builders will fulfil their role of providing more 
healthy
and more fortunate homes for the population.

Every developer and builder can fulfil his ambition
to do something really good

"Let us start," Maharishi told the builders and developers. "Let every
developer and builder everywhere step onto this fortunate and blessed
global enterprise and fulfil their ambition to do something really 
good by
participating in this global program for the reconstruction of the 
world."

Undertakings of the World Reconstruction Program

Providing Fortune-Creating Homes through the World Reconstruction 
Program
is just one of the undertakings of the Global Country of World Peace.
Other programs include the construction of:

. M

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Answers from Maharishi Mahesh Yogi






BTW, thanks Ron.  Glad we have 
some American pundits. Great work getting the message out.  Forward Forward 
Forward. Onwards good Pundits.
 
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What do you mean subscribe.  
The avatar of the ages has waited for Ipod before appearing before the public? 
How about some sample answers, to topics we give a shit about?  I mean, 
fuck administration, fuck health care, fuck all that objective petty beurocracy 
shit. I want to know if my wife gets knocked up how can I prevent a Gemini baby. 
I am interested in how such shitty TV writers can keep making insipid 
melodramas, how long it will take for sidhas who payed 2,500 bucks twenty 
years ago to fucking fly, Man. That's what I want to know. Fuck all that "Ideal" 
this and "Ideal" that shit. i have my own ideas of 
ideal. 
 
Tell the whacko old codger to answer 
some real questions. How long Maharishi before I can fly, Jai Guru Dude, 
Sir.  I tried to follow you. I tried, so how fucking long Man. And what's 
with huge skyscrapers? Did you notice 9/11? Great Seer. See this question... 
How long before we fly?
 
 
 
 
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Meditating family and friends around the world, Jai Guru Dev  
We are happy to announce the introduction of Answers from Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, 
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latest digitaltechnology.  Answers from Maharishi Mahesh 
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2005-08-10 Thread Ron F

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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Lung Cancer list

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

> So, Rick, you're the only one who answered my queries but I must 
> conclude that if you are a supporter of Clinton you are, whether 
> you're aware of it or not, a conservative in good standing!

Bear in mind, this is the guy who called Al Gore, Sr.,
a "racist segregationist" and claims nothing Bush & Co.
have done is anywhere *near* as bad as what Sandy
Berger did--among other, um, interesting
perspectives.

The odd thing is, Shemp is really pretty sensible
when he's talking about TM, whether you agree with
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jagger Gets Brave/ Slams Pres. Bush..'






Why dont you try a fucking search. 

 
Why is it when you hand someone 
something on a plate they demand a fork. Go get your own fucking fork. I did the 
work cooking the bitch for you. 
 
 
- Original Message - 
From: shempmcgurk 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 1:56 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jagger Gets Brave/ Slams Pres. 
Bush..'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
"Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]...> 
wrote:> Get a program called Emule and you can download it. Here's a 
link: Bad Timing (1980 - Theresa Russel Nicola Roeg).avi 
1) I get a "this page cannot be displayed" message when I 
click on that link; and2) what exactly is 
emule?> > > - Original Message 
- > From: shempmcgurk > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 12:12 PM> Subject: 
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jagger Gets Brave/ Slams Pres. Bush..'> > 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote:> > > > 
> > Jagger mauls Bush > > > (Tuesday August 09, 2005 10:14 
AM) > > > > > > The Rolling Stones accuse President 
George W Bush of being > > > "full of sh*t" on their new album, it 
has emerged.> > > > That Mick, always strutting the 
obvious.  :-)> > > > Really, good for Mick.  Given 
the respective> > levels of personal power involved, I suspect 
> > that a showdown between Mick and Dubya would > > turn 
out pretty much like the confrontation > > between Turner and Chas in 
"Performance."> > > > > I wonder how many 
readers on this forum are aware of your reference > to "Performance" 
which I saw about 5 times when it came out when I > was about 15 years 
old.  A pretty groovy movie, but as a 15 year-old > I went back 
again and again for the bath tub scenes in which Mick > suds up with the 
incredibly beautiful Anita Pallenberg (who later > married and had 
children with Keith Richards) and another lady.> > The co-director 
of the movie (it was his first) was Nicolas Roeg > whom I did not 
appreciate at the time but who has since directed one > of my 
all-time favourite movies: "Bad Timing (A sensual obsession)" > 
starring Art Garfunkel, Theresa Russell (who Roeg married), and > Harvey 
Keitel.  Just an incredible movie that I am constantly trying > 
to get a DVD copy of but they haven't released it yet in a format > 
compatible for US DVD's.  I once sent away for a video copy on ebay 
> that was of very poor quality because it was a bootleg and I have 
> never bothered to see it in full because it hurts too much seeing a 
> version where the quality is so bad.> > Roeg made three 
movies where he made had a Rock star in the starring > role: David 
Bowie ("Man who fell to Earth"), Art Garfunkel ("Bad > Timing"), and 
Jagger ("Performance")...kinda like that nutty but fun > director Ken 
Russel who made several movies in the '70s with Rock > Stars.> 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS feature






I'm not actually interested. I am 
just trying to see whether the cross in christianity is the same cross as the 
swastika and crossed vajra. If so then it should be at 45 degree angles.  
Because that's how the cross appears. See?
 
 
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From: Robert Gimbel 

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 1:38 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS 
feature
---One of the best books I have found to read on this matter 
is:Jesus and the Zealots (A Study of the Political Factor in Primitive 
Christianity) (Hardcover)by S G F. Brandon (Author)see: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0684310104/qid=1123698971/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-7619991-9000117?v=glance&s=booksIn 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
"Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> Hey, since you've read alot 
about the cruxifiction (Cross Fiction)  could you tell me whether the 
crosses were actually X shaped?  Instead of T?  > > 
> - Original Message - > From: Robert Gimbel > To: 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 12:34 
PM> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS feature> 
> > --- I have read many books on the matter.> Crucifixion 
was a Roman method of execution, and thousands were > executed in that 
matter; we have all heard the stories of the vicious > nature of the 
Romans...> When the Romans adopted Jesus' teachings, they attempted to 
Romanize > it, and take all Jewishness out.> After all, the 
Romans hated the Jews, and felt superior to them.> So, why is it so hard 
to believe, that such a people would not corrupt > and pervert his 
teachings for thier own purposes.> You must have heard the stories, of 
the inquisition, and the witch > trials, in Germany, and other parts of 
Europe, when anyone could > accuse anyone else, of being a witch; and 
subject them to torture and > burning alive in public. In the name of 
religion, more people have > been killed. What in God's name does any of 
this have to do with the > person who Jesus was?> So, this 
dosen't sound intuitive correct to you, then I could offer no > 
proof, as old themes die hard, and it is impossible to teach > something, 
when one does not care to learn.> > > In 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert 
Gimbel"> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > > --Jesus 
never said these things.> > > > And how do you KNOW this? 
> > > > btw, does thinking this help bolster your own world 
view, makes you> > feel more comfortable with your own philosophy? 
If so, is there much> > doubt as to why you lash out at world view 
that contradict your own?> > > > Again, how would you 
know for certain what some man 2000 years ago,> > speaking a dead 
language, using idioms of the day -- of which al but> > the most 
arcane sholars are familiar, actually said?> > > > 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Lung Cancer list

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> So what's hot about her, the smirking plastic surgery eyes, or the 
unlined plastic surgery face? Or the dopey vacant expression?  I 
haven't seen her body so I can't right comment on that, but I'm 
guessing if it's smokin then one should thank her surgeon.  
> 
> C'mon, Laura Bush sell pot? Known fact?  Give me a link. Now. 
> 
> 
> Just kidding. But could I have a link pretty please?



I think Laura is the best looking first lady since Jackie...and if 
Gore had won, i think that a Tipper Gore (the thin version) would 
have beat them all...

> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: Robert Gimbel 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 1:27 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Lung Cancer list
> 
> 
> --Hey, I think Laura's really hot! so watch out.
> It's a known fact she sold and smoked pot in college.
> 
> - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > C'mon, Laura Bush smoke pot?  She's not intelligent enough to 
> handle the high.  Her brain would implode and then melt into a 
> synchophantic volumn of LaHaye's neverending apocalypse. 
> > 
> > 
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: Robert Gimbel 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 12:26 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Lung Cancer list
> > 
> > 
> > ---I had heard that Laura was a pot-head; I'm not sure whether 
> booze 
> > or cocaine was W's drug of choice.
> > What is more dangerous, is what they call in AA a dry drunk.
> > A dry drunk is someone who quits drinking on their own, without 
> > dealing with the underlying issues that caused the addiction.
> > A dry drunk can be more dangerous, actually, angry and vengeful.
> > Whether or not he still drinks, I don't know; 
> > I have heard a few months ago, that he is taking some strong 
anti-
> > depressents, and I have noticed some facial tics that would 
> suggest 
> > this, as this is a side-effect of some of those medications.
> > He has an addiction to exercise now, which is good.
> > But more and more, his karma is closing in on him, from all 
sides.
> > I have heard that the Rove leak stuff, which is under 
> investigation 
> > now, could really nail the whole corrupt administration.
> > 
> > In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Oddly enough, Laura Bush is a secret cigarette smoker. 
> > > > 
> > > > That's interesting. I did not know that.
> > > 
> > > Yes, she was chain-smoking during the Repub Convention.
> > > > 
> > > > > Makes me wonder if W is a secret drinker...Does anyone know
> > > > > for sure? 
> > > > 
> > > > Back when Bush choked on a pretzel, there was much 
speculation 
> > that
> > > > "Evil Dewars" was the cause.
> > > 
> > > Interesting. Thanks. 
> > > > 
> > > > Alex
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[FairfieldLife] Re: World's tallest tower planned in India- link attached

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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron F <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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> > > World's tallest tower planned in India
> > > 
> > > http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/Story.asp?
> > Article=117998&Sn=BUSI&IssueID=28130
> > > 
> > > World's tallest tower planned in India 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > CHICAGO: A 224-storey pyramid shaped building, the tallest in 
the 
> > world, is being
> > > built at Katangi, near Indian city of Jabalpur in Madhya 
Pradesh 
> > state. The
> > > -foot (677m) Center of India Tower scheduled for November 
6, 
> > is being financed
> > > by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi (The Beatles former spiritual 
leader), 
> > and will be his new
> > > world headquarters.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I read stuff like this and it makes me want to retch.
> > 
> 
> Why?

Because the TMO has limited resources -- VERY limited resources -- 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Lung Cancer list

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> on 8/10/05 1:42 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:>
> > 
> > I would like to ask feste37 and anyone else that would like to 
weigh
> > in on this:  
> > 
> > 1) Did you and do you now support Bill Clinton?
> 
> yes
> > 
> > 2) Do you consider yourself a liberal?
> 
> yes

Thanks for responding.

I asked the above two questions for a reason. If you are/were a 
supporter of Clinton then you must, by definition, be considered a 
conservative and NOT a liberal.

Bill Clinton's presidency oversaw and supported not one but THREE 
major cornerstones of American conservatism:

1) Welfare reform;

2) balanced budget; and

3) Free trade and NAFTA.

Had a president been responsible for just ONE of those policies that 
president would be considered a MAJOR conservative.  But Clinton was 
responsible for three really, really BIG conservative issues.

That's why I am so amused when liberals like Barbra Streisand went 
out of their way to support Clinton...were they doing it just 'cause 
they liked his charisma or don't policies mean anything to them?

Clinton has even referred to himself as a conservative if I'm not 
mistaken and it certainly explains why Hillary is taking such a 
middle-of-the-road stance on things such as abortion.

Contrast Clinton's record with that of GWB's: if I were to do a 
double blind test with the liberals here on FFL and lined up on one 
side of the page all of Clinton's accomplishments and, on the other, 
GWB's, there is NO doubt in my mind that 90% of you would identify 
Clinton as the conservative as Bush as the liberal.  Except for 
income tax policy (which Clinton put up a bit and Bush brought down 
a bit) Bush resembles very much a tax and spend Democrat ( both the 
budget and the deficit are at record levels) and Bill I-support-the-
death-penalty Clinton resembles the conservative Republican.

Hell, I'll be first in the door to support a Hillary presidency if 
it will be anything like Bill's!  There is nothing better for 
conservatism and libertarianism than a Democrat President and a 
Republican Congress.

So, Rick, you're the only one who answered my queries but I must 
conclude that if you are a supporter of Clinton you are, whether 
you're aware of it or not, a conservative in good standing!

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Lung Cancer list






So what's hot about her, the 
smirking plastic surgery eyes, or the unlined plastic surgery face? Or the dopey 
vacant _expression_?  I haven't seen her body so I can't right comment on 
that, but I'm guessing if it's smokin then one should thank her surgeon.  

 
C'mon, Laura Bush sell pot? Known 
fact?  Give me a link. Now. 
 
 
Just kidding. But could I have a 
link pretty please?
 
 
 
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Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 1:27 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Lung Cancer list
--Hey, I think Laura's really hot! so watch out.It's a 
known fact she sold and smoked pot in college.- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
"Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]...> wrote:> 
C'mon, Laura Bush smoke pot?  She's not intelligent enough to handle 
the high.  Her brain would implode and then melt into a synchophantic 
volumn of LaHaye's neverending apocalypse. > > > - 
Original Message - > From: Robert Gimbel > To: 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 12:26 
PM> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Lung Cancer list> > 
> ---I had heard that Laura was a pot-head; I'm not sure whether 
booze > or cocaine was W's drug of choice.> What is more 
dangerous, is what they call in AA a dry drunk.> A dry drunk is someone 
who quits drinking on their own, without > dealing with the underlying 
issues that caused the addiction.> A dry drunk can be more dangerous, 
actually, angry and vengeful.> Whether or not he still drinks, I don't 
know; > I have heard a few months ago, that he is taking some strong 
anti-> depressents, and I have noticed some facial tics that would 
suggest > this, as this is a side-effect of some of those 
medications.> He has an addiction to exercise now, which is good.> 
But more and more, his karma is closing in on him, from all sides.> I 
have heard that the Rove leak stuff, which is under investigation > 
now, could really nail the whole corrupt administration.> > In 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 
wrote:> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > > --- In 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > > wrote:> > > > Oddly 
enough, Laura Bush is a secret cigarette smoker. > > > > 
> > That's interesting. I did not know that.> > > > 
Yes, she was chain-smoking during the Repub Convention.> > > 
> > > > Makes me wonder if W is a secret drinker...Does anyone 
know> > > > for sure? > > > > > > Back 
when Bush choked on a pretzel, there was much speculation > that> 
> > "Evil Dewars" was the cause.> > > > Interesting. 
Thanks. > > > > > > Alex> > > 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS feature

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:

> > In my understanding, he says GC and UC, and presumably
> > BC as well--and whatever there is after BC--develop
> > naturally once you've reached CC.
> 
> Thats NOT my understanding. CC is "normal." GC and the rest require 
> something more...

It's in his Gita commentary.  I'll see if I can look
it up when I get the chance.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: World's tallest tower planned in India- link attached

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron F <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > World's tallest tower planned in India
> > 
> > http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/Story.asp?
> Article=117998&Sn=BUSI&IssueID=28130
> > 
> > World's tallest tower planned in India 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > CHICAGO: A 224-storey pyramid shaped building, the tallest in the 
> world, is being
> > built at Katangi, near Indian city of Jabalpur in Madhya Pradesh 
> state. The
> > -foot (677m) Center of India Tower scheduled for November 6, 
> is being financed
> > by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi (The Beatles former spiritual leader), 
> and will be his new
> > world headquarters.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I read stuff like this and it makes me want to retch.
> 

Why?

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS feature






My question was, were they in the 
form of an EX, or where they the form of the Weeping Jesus on the cross version 
that we all know and love?  
 
 
- Original Message - 
From: Robert Gimbel 

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 1:32 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS 
feature
---Hey, In those days, before computers, and Xerox machines, 
everything was kind of dependent on the availability of wood, and who 
was making the crosses.Depending on the needs, of how many people were lined 
up to get nailed, sometimes any old thing would do. But in general, crosses 
were the mode.In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
"Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> Hey, since you've read alot 
about the cruxifiction (Cross Fiction)  could you tell me whether the 
crosses were actually X shaped?  Instead of T?  > > 
> - Original Message - > From: Robert Gimbel > To: 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 12:34 
PM> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS feature> 
> > --- I have read many books on the matter.> Crucifixion 
was a Roman method of execution, and thousands were > executed in that 
matter; we have all heard the stories of the vicious > nature of the 
Romans...> When the Romans adopted Jesus' teachings, they attempted to 
Romanize > it, and take all Jewishness out.> After all, the 
Romans hated the Jews, and felt superior to them.> So, why is it so hard 
to believe, that such a people would not corrupt > and pervert his 
teachings for thier own purposes.> You must have heard the stories, of 
the inquisition, and the witch > trials, in Germany, and other parts of 
Europe, when anyone could > accuse anyone else, of being a witch; and 
subject them to torture and > burning alive in public. In the name of 
religion, more people have > been killed. What in God's name does any of 
this have to do with the > person who Jesus was?> So, this 
dosen't sound intuitive correct to you, then I could offer no > 
proof, as old themes die hard, and it is impossible to teach > something, 
when one does not care to learn.> > > In 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert 
Gimbel"> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > > --Jesus 
never said these things.> > > > And how do you KNOW this? 
> > > > btw, does thinking this help bolster your own world 
view, makes you> > feel more comfortable with your own philosophy? 
If so, is there much> > doubt as to why you lash out at world view 
that contradict your own?> > > > Again, how would you 
know for certain what some man 2000 years ago,> > speaking a dead 
language, using idioms of the day -- of which al but> > the most 
arcane sholars are familiar, actually said?> > > > 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: World's tallest tower planned in India- link attached

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron F <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> World's tallest tower planned in India
> 
> http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/Story.asp?
Article=117998&Sn=BUSI&IssueID=28130
> 
> World's tallest tower planned in India 
> 

>From July 28. Anything new?

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[FairfieldLife] World's tallest tower planned in India- link attached

2005-08-10 Thread Rick Archer

Looks like this idea is still alive:

http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/Story.asp?Article=117998&Sn=BUSI&IssueID=2813
0

http://tinyurl.com/ajt53

World's tallest tower planned in India

CHICAGO: A 224-storey pyramid shaped building, the tallest in the world, is
being built at Katangi, near Indian city of Jabalpur in Madhya Pradesh
state. The -foot (677m) Center of India Tower scheduled for November 6,
is being financed by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi (The Beatles former spiritual
leader), and will be his new world headquarters. The firm designing this
tower are known for a previous large development, the Twin Towers in Battery
Park City, New York.

Meanwhile, a twisting 115-storey glass and concrete tower that would be the
United States' tallest building may soon grace Chicago's lakefront, its
developer said yesterday.

Critics compared the proposed 2,000-foot (610 metre) Fordham Spire to a
giant candle fit for a cake, while others said it was out of place in a
post-September 11 world in which landmark skyscrapers could be terrorist
targets.

The tower, which would house condominiums and a hotel, is the brainchild of
Christopher Carley, chairman of Chicago-based Fordham.

It was designed by award-winning Spanish-born architect Santiago Calatrava,
who is known for his curvaceous bridges, as well as for designing the winged
addition to Milwaukee's art museum and the transportation center to be built
on the site of New York's Ground Zero.

The slender tower will soar 1,458 feet (444 metres) to its roof and then add
a spire to reach 2,000 feet (610 metres), topping the 1,450-foot-tall (442
metre) Sears Tower, currently the nation's tallest, and New York's proposed
1,776-foot-tall (541 metre) Freedom Tower.

At least two previous designs to build the world's tallest building in
Chicago fell flat for lack of financing since the Sears Tower lost the title
of world's tallest building in 1996 to Kuala Lumpur's twin Petronas Towers.

Current title-holder Taipei 101 in Taiwan is 1,670 feet (509 metres) tall
but it will soon be eclipsed by the Burj Dubai tower in the United Arab
Emirates that may reach 2,300 feet (700 metres).





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: The Woodlands Peace Palace Inauguration Photos

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>  
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Odd. I thought you couldn't call it a "Peace Palace" until it was 
built. Until then it was an ENlightenment Center or something.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Lung Cancer list

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > ---I had heard that Laura was a pot-head; I'm not sure whether 
> booze 
> > or cocaine was W's drug of choice.
> > What is more dangerous, is what they call in AA a dry drunk.
> > A dry drunk is someone who quits drinking on their own, without 
> > dealing with the underlying issues that caused the addiction.
> > A dry drunk can be more dangerous, actually, angry and vengeful.
> > Whether or not he still drinks, I don't know; 
> > I have heard a few months ago, that he is taking some strong anti-
> > depressents, and I have noticed some facial tics that would 
> suggest 
> > this, as this is a side-effect of some of those medications.
> > He has an addiction to exercise now, which is good.
> > But more and more, his karma is closing in on him, from all sides.
> > I have heard that the Rove leak stuff, which is under 
> investigation 
> > now, could really nail the whole corrupt administration.
> 
> 
> You've heard that, have you?
> 
> Do a little exercise: compare the worst that has been said about 
> Rove and Bush in this whole "leak" affair and assume that it is all 
> true.  Then compare that to what Sandy Berger did when he stole 
> classified documents in his socks.

The very worst case would be that rove "outed" a CIA agent 
undercover, which is "treason" according to George Herbert Walker 
Bush.
Since we're "at war," this is punishable by death (not really since 
we're not in a declared war etc).

> 
> Then tell us whether you think that it would, even remotely, "nail 
> the whole corrupt administration"...
> 

Berger walked off with some copies of classified documents and never 
showed them to anyone as far as anyone knows.

This is punishable by fines and a year or so in prison, IIRC.

Now, what were you saying about comparisons?

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jagger Gets Brave/ Slams Pres. Bush..'





Boy, that Mick is really brave, isn't 
he?--It's better than nothing.  And the fact that we 
have all heard it means so has the rest of the world. I think it's quite 
telling. 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: World's tallest tower planned in India- link attached

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron F <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> World's tallest tower planned in India
> 
> http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/Story.asp?
Article=117998&Sn=BUSI&IssueID=28130
> 
> World's tallest tower planned in India 
> 
> 
> 
> CHICAGO: A 224-storey pyramid shaped building, the tallest in the 
world, is being
> built at Katangi, near Indian city of Jabalpur in Madhya Pradesh 
state. The
> -foot (677m) Center of India Tower scheduled for November 6, 
is being financed
> by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi (The Beatles former spiritual leader), 
and will be his new
> world headquarters.





I read stuff like this and it makes me want to retch.










> The firm designing this tower are known for a previous large
> development, the Twin Towers in Battery Park City, New York.
> 
> Meanwhile, a twisting 115-storey glass and concrete tower that 
would be the United
> States' tallest building may soon grace Chicago's lakefront, its 
developer said
> yesterday.
> 
> Critics compared the proposed 2,000-foot (610 metre) Fordham Spire 
to a giant candle
> fit for a cake, while others said it was out of place in a post-
September 11 world
> in which landmark skyscrapers could be terrorist targets.
> 
> The tower, which would house condominiums and a hotel, is the 
brainchild of
> Christopher Carley, chairman of Chicago-based Fordham. 
> 
> It was designed by award-winning Spanish-born architect Santiago 
Calatrava, who is
> known for his curvaceous bridges, as well as for designing the 
winged addition to
> Milwaukee's art museum and the transportation center to be built 
on the site of New
> York's Ground Zero.
> 
> The slender tower will soar 1,458 feet (444 metres) to its roof 
and then add a spire
> to reach 2,000 feet (610 metres), topping the 1,450-foot-tall (442 
metre) Sears
> Tower, currently the nation's tallest, and New York's proposed 
1,776-foot-tall (541
> metre) Freedom Tower.
> 
> At least two previous designs to build the world's tallest 
building in Chicago fell
> flat for lack of financing since the Sears Tower lost the title of 
world's tallest
> building in 1996 to Kuala Lumpur's twin Petronas Towers.
> 
> Current title-holder Taipei 101 in Taiwan is 1,670 feet (509 
metres) tall but it
> will soon be eclipsed by the Burj Dubai tower in the United Arab 
Emirates that may
> reach 2,300 feet (700 metres).
> 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS feature

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > > > I wish the Christians would stop saying that their way is 
> > > > > better than anyone else's. It gets very boring, and it is 
> > > > > untrue. 
> > > > 
> > > > And it drowns out the TMers saying the same thing.  :-)
> > > 
> > > Although, of course, what TMers say is *about* their
> > > path, whereas what the Christians say *is* their path.
> > 
> > Excellent distinction. And many Christians believe that the only 
> > way to become one with God is to die physically. yow!
> 
> Well, no, you can never become one with God, in
> Christian belief.  Jesus was the one and only who
> ever was one with God, but he was God to begin with.
> 
> > Of course the main shortcoming with TM's teachings is that you 
can 
> > wallow in the seven states of conciousness forever without 
gaining 
> > enlightenment.
> 
> Five, six, and seven *are* enlightenment, according
> to MMY.
> 
> > I don't know if that is an actual shortcoming, or just an example
> > of the expression, 'you can lead a TMer to Brahman, but you can't 
> > make him drink'. 
> > 
> > In other words, after Maherishi provides us the tools for 
> > experiencing the other 4 states of conciousness (tc, cc, gc, uc), 
> > how would he then tell us to go beyond them, to all inclusive 
> > Brahman? Any ideas anyone?
> 
> In my understanding, he says GC and UC, and presumably
> BC as well--and whatever there is after BC--develop
> naturally once you've reached CC.

Thats NOT my understanding. CC is "normal." GC and the rest require 
something more...




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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS feature

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > > I wish the Christians would stop saying that their way is 
better
> > > > than anyone else's.
> > > 
> > > Not just "a better way," but "the only way."
> > > 
> > > > It gets very boring, and it is untrue. All people can really
> > > > say about the spiritual path they adopt is, "It works for me,"
> > and 
> > > > I wish they would leave it at that.
> > > 
> > > Trouble is, "the only way" is an integral part
> > > of the path; it's "what works" for them.  Take
> > > that away, and it's no longer Christianity.
> > 
> > Well, it's no longer a simplistic and absolutist brand of
> > Christianity that demands all shades of gray be dumbed down to 
black
> > and white. However, not all denominations of Christianity make 
such
> > demands. Some Christians can actually live with shades of gray and
> > uncertainty and have no need to soothe themselves with a false
> > certainty based on others being wrong.
> 
> I'm sure that's true, but if they don't believe Christ
> is the *only* way to be reconciled with God, they're
> not adhering to orthodox Christian doctrine.

Technically, they're not Christian since the Nicene/Apostolic Creed 
is the sine qua non of official membership in the Church Universal.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS feature

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey, since you've read alot about the cruxifiction (Cross Fiction)  
could you tell me whether the crosses were actually X shaped?  Instead 
of T?  
> 

some say he was just nailed to a trunk with his arms above his head.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS feature

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
>  Sounds like arguments any number of groups use. These could 
> just as
> > well be the words of a creationist, and pseudo neo-advaitist or a
> > white-arayan. Such words all play on the insecurites of naive 
people.
> > 
> > Personally, I think Jesus plagerized the Beatles.
> 
> Ha-ha! Now I can't wait to call someone a 'pseudo neo-advaitist'!!! 
> Made my day! Thanks!

Bush is a *conservative* pseudo neo-advaitist, so there!

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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Lung Cancer list

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > We already had one of those, Jim. His name was Bill Clinton. He
> > fought a 
> > valiant battle against the right-wing nutters and has never received
> > much 
> > credit for it.
> 
> Yeah, I liked Clinton a lot. His dilly-dallying with a lot of women 
> really hurt his image though, and didn't do much for setting a good 
> moral tone for the country. Maybe I'm just sensitive with a teenage 
> daughter of my own...
> 
> Well, they say Republicans get in trouble over money and the 
Democrats 
> get in trouble over sex...

Perhaps Democrats are more careful with money, and Republicans are more 
careful about sex...

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