[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-05 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000"  
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> > > >  wrote: 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
> > >   
> > > > > wrote: 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > What conditions were attached? 
> > > > >  
> > > > >  
> > > > >  
> > > > > For one, teaching under the auspices of the particular TMO 
> name 
> > > > that  
> > > > > is cited in the written contract that most teachers that 
> were 
> > > ever  
> > > > > made teachers by MMY signed, and to not deviate from those  
> > > > > teachings... 
> > > > >  
> > > > > Are you a teacher of TM?  If so, when you were made a 
> teacher, 
> > > do  
> > > > > you not remember signing a document? 
> > > > >  
> > > > > I do... 
> > > > >  
> > > > I was not given a copy of this document. Is it still a valid 
> > > > contract?  
> > > >  
> > > > JohnY
> > > >
> > > 
> > > I always thought that a signed contract is only valid when both 
> > > parties receive a copy of it.
> > >
> > 
> > That's what I thought too, and it's the reason I'm asking.
> > IANAL :-) 
> > 
> > JohnY
> It seems ig is valid even if you don't get a copy.
> Ingegerd
> >
>

As a matter of fact, I can't remember if we signed anything in `76, we
were very rushed at the end.

JohnY





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-05 Thread Ingegerd
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> > >  wrote: 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
> >   
> > > > wrote: 
> > > > > 
> > > > > What conditions were attached? 
> > > >  
> > > >  
> > > >  
> > > > For one, teaching under the auspices of the particular TMO 
name 
> > > that  
> > > > is cited in the written contract that most teachers that 
were 
> > ever  
> > > > made teachers by MMY signed, and to not deviate from those  
> > > > teachings... 
> > > >  
> > > > Are you a teacher of TM?  If so, when you were made a 
teacher, 
> > do  
> > > > you not remember signing a document? 
> > > >  
> > > > I do... 
> > > >  
> > > I was not given a copy of this document. Is it still a valid 
> > > contract?  
> > >  
> > > JohnY
> > >
> > 
> > I always thought that a signed contract is only valid when both 
> > parties receive a copy of it.
> >
> 
> That's what I thought too, and it's the reason I'm asking.
> IANAL :-) 
> 
> JohnY
It seems ig is valid even if you don't get a copy.
Ingegerd
>







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-05 Thread Ingegerd
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
>  wrote: 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
  
> > wrote: 
> > > 
> > > What conditions were attached? 
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > For one, teaching under the auspices of the particular TMO name 
> that  
> > is cited in the written contract that most teachers that were 
ever  
> > made teachers by MMY signed, and to not deviate from those  
> > teachings... 
> >  
> > Are you a teacher of TM?  If so, when you were made a teacher, 
do  
> > you not remember signing a document? 
> >  
> > I do... 
> >  
> I was not given a copy of this document. Is it still a valid 
> contract?  
>  
> JohnY

Yes.
Ingegerd
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-05 Thread Marek Reavis
**Comment below:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> > >  wrote: 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
> >   
> > > > wrote: 
> > > > > 
> > > > > What conditions were attached? 
> > > >  
> > > >  
> > > >  
> > > > For one, teaching under the auspices of the particular TMO name 
> > > that  
> > > > is cited in the written contract that most teachers that were 
> > ever  
> > > > made teachers by MMY signed, and to not deviate from those  
> > > > teachings... 
> > > >  
> > > > Are you a teacher of TM?  If so, when you were made a teacher, 
> > do  
> > > > you not remember signing a document? 
> > > >  
> > > > I do... 
> > > >  
> > > I was not given a copy of this document. Is it still a valid 
> > > contract?  
> > >  
> > > JohnY
> > >
> > 
> > I always thought that a signed contract is only valid when both 
> > parties receive a copy of it.
> >
> 
> That's what I thought too, and it's the reason I'm asking.
> IANAL :-) 
> 
> JohnY
**END**

You don't need to exchange documents for the contract to be valid and
enforceable.  The document is a memorial of the agreement made between
the parties, and it's also a handy reference for the parties to come
back to if they end up somewhere down the road having different
interpretations of what the elements of the agreement were.  That's
the reason why you exchange the document.

I was made a teacher in Fiuggi in June of 1972.  I'm pretty sure I
remember Jerry talking to us at some point about our obligations to
the teaching and Maharishi in a somewhat legal-sounding way but I know
that we never signed any document. 






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[FairfieldLife] Good line from "Good night and good luck"

2006-03-05 Thread shempmcgurk
I think the following line from "Good night and good luck" is entirely 
applicable to MMY's accusations of CIA infiltration into the TMO:

"We must remember always, that accusation is not proof, and that 
conviction depends upon evidence and due process of law".





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Anyone been in a s.veda house that's NOT in a TM community like Fairfield?

2006-03-05 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rajarohan1008 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> I'm curious if you notice the same effect if you have an s.veda 
house 
> that is NOT in a TM community. The only ones I've been in are in 
> Fairfield or Heavenly Mountain. I don't know how much of what I felt 
> was attributed to the house or the community the house was in. Has 
> anyone ever been in any others? Did it feel powerful? Maybe? My dh




dh=designated hitter? Darling husband?






> and 
> I are trying to decide whether to use a sv



sv= sports vehicle? (SUV minus the "utility")





> (not MGC)




MGC=Mono Sodium Carbonate?






> plan or a plan 
> that is laid out in a more practical design for our land. 
> 
> Also, what do you think resale is on a sv house in a non-TM 
community. 
> Do people have a problem selling them due to the "weirdness"?
>






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[FairfieldLife] Anyone been in a s.veda house that's NOT in a TM community like Fairfield?

2006-03-05 Thread rajarohan1008
I'm curious if you notice the same effect if you have an s.veda house 
that is NOT in a TM community. The only ones I've been in are in 
Fairfield or Heavenly Mountain. I don't know how much of what I felt 
was attributed to the house or the community the house was in. Has 
anyone ever been in any others? Did it feel powerful? Maybe? My dh and 
I are trying to decide whether to use a sv (not MGC) plan or a plan 
that is laid out in a more practical design for our land. 

Also, what do you think resale is on a sv house in a non-TM community. 
Do people have a problem selling them due to the "weirdness"? 





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Year of Good Darshan

2006-03-05 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/5/06 9:22 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
>>> 
>>> Tell me, every time you go and see her, do you get a hug?
>> 
>> Yes, once a day. Most stops on the tour are 2-3 days - some longer
> if
>> there's a retreat. San Ramon is longest, but tends to be very
> crowded.
>> 
> 
> I simply don't get it.
> 
> What's the point?

I find it very transformative. And as I go year after year, the effects are
cumulative. A powerful engine on my train.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-05 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> >  wrote: 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
>   
> > > wrote: 
> > > > 
> > > > What conditions were attached? 
> > >  
> > >  
> > >  
> > > For one, teaching under the auspices of the particular TMO name 
> > that  
> > > is cited in the written contract that most teachers that were 
> ever  
> > > made teachers by MMY signed, and to not deviate from those  
> > > teachings... 
> > >  
> > > Are you a teacher of TM?  If so, when you were made a teacher, 
> do  
> > > you not remember signing a document? 
> > >  
> > > I do... 
> > >  
> > I was not given a copy of this document. Is it still a valid 
> > contract?  
> >  
> > JohnY
> >
> 
> I always thought that a signed contract is only valid when both 
> parties receive a copy of it.
>

That's what I thought too, and it's the reason I'm asking.
IANAL :-) 

JohnY





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-05 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
>  wrote: 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
  
> > wrote: 
> > > 
> > > What conditions were attached? 
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > For one, teaching under the auspices of the particular TMO name 
> that  
> > is cited in the written contract that most teachers that were 
ever  
> > made teachers by MMY signed, and to not deviate from those  
> > teachings... 
> >  
> > Are you a teacher of TM?  If so, when you were made a teacher, 
do  
> > you not remember signing a document? 
> >  
> > I do... 
> >  
> I was not given a copy of this document. Is it still a valid 
> contract?  
>  
> JohnY
>

I always thought that a signed contract is only valid when both 
parties receive a copy of it.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-05 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
> wrote:
> >
> > on 3/5/06 4:18 PM, shempmcgurk at shempmcgurk@ wrote:
> > >> 
> > > 
> > > I remember seeing a TV program many years ago where 
authorities (I
> > > think they were police) could identify where a person was from 
by
> > > having them read a paragraph that had key words in it that by 
the
> > > way the people pronounced each word could pinpoint where the 
speaker
> > > was from.  I can't remember whether it was because the speaker 
was
> > > reluctant to say where they were from or whether the speaker 
had
> > > amnesia.
> > 
> > Remember Prof. Henry Higgins in My Fair Lady
> >
> 
> I had an anatomy professor 30+ years ago (pre-med program) who 
could
> tell where in the world your ancestry was from by the shape of your
> skull.




I think the Nazis did that, too, with both skulls and noses.

Lovely.




> I don't know if it was pure luck or not, but he knew exactly
> where in Eastern Europe my family descended from and he seemed to 
be
> able to do this as if it was magic.
>






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-05 Thread gullible fool

> In India people Namaste each other as a sign of
> mutual respect. In the
> photos I saw, Nader wasn't reciprocating. He was
> sitting on his throne and
> everyone else was bowing and scraping.

Perhaps Tony was giving them darshan. :) 

--- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> on 3/5/06 2:35 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >> 
> >> on 3/5/06 11:55 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Hehehehe, Is it true that recerts have to bow
> before the Rajas?
> >>> What if you refused to bow before them? I think 
> I might be more
> >>> inclined to bend over and moon them myself.
> >>> 
> >> Wouldn¹t be surprised. I¹ve seen photos of people
> ³Namaste-ing² Tony
> >> Nader, and there was a slight bow in their
> stance.
> > 
> > That's pretty standard with Namaste, isn't it?
> > And Namaste is about as egalitarian a salutation
> > as there is.
> 
> In India people Namaste each other as a sign of
> mutual respect. In the
> photos I saw, Nader wasn't reciprocating. He was
> sitting on his throne and
> everyone else was bowing and scraping.
> 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-05 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 3/5/06 6:18:18 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> In India  people Namaste each other as a sign of mutual respect. In
> > the photos I  saw, Nader wasn't reciprocating. He was sitting on 
his 
> > throne and  everyone else was bowing and scraping.
> 
> I've seen a number of photos of  him doing Namaste
> to others.
> 
> 
> 
> Yeah , but did he look bored when namasting  back?
>


Or was it just a half or quarter Namaste?  You know, kinda like 
Hitler giving back the "heil" when underlings Heil Hitlered 
him...underlings would give it the full-on straight-arm 45 degree 
salute from the soldier but Hitler would just kinda raise his arm 
half-way, bent at the wrist...






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Year of Good Darshan

2006-03-05 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> on 3/5/06 3:21 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> http://amma.org/
> >> 
> >> No, she won't be here until June. I don't know exact dates, 
except
> > for
> >> Fairfield (July 8-9), but the tour schedule is as follows:
> > Seattle, San
> >> Ramon, Los Angeles, Santa Fe, Dallas, Chicago, Fairfield, New 
York,
> >> Washington, Boston, Toronto
> >> 
> > 
> > Tell me, every time you go and see her, do you get a hug?
> 
> Yes, once a day. Most stops on the tour are 2-3 days - some longer 
if
> there's a retreat. San Ramon is longest, but tends to be very 
crowded.
>

I simply don't get it.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-05 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
>  
> > I must respectfully disagree with you there. I
> > personally tried a 
> > few different technicques before learning TM
> 
> But when did you learn TM? Was this a long time ago?
> There wasn't much available besides TM in the 1960s
> and 1970s. The landscape has changed - dramatically -
> in the past decade. I have had personal experience
> with an assortment of techniques in the last decade
> that are much more powerful than TM, and much more
> powerful than the entire TM sidhis program. What
> TurquoiseB says is entirely correct, negative side
> effects included.

Yeah, long time ago. Did you do TM before you tried the other 
techniques? If yes, might this have helped your results? 

What are the techniques that you found are stronger than TM?- and I 
ask purely out of curiousity, not challenge...Thanks





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-05 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine   
> wrote: 
> > 
> > What conditions were attached? 
>  
>  
>  
> For one, teaching under the auspices of the particular TMO name 
that  
> is cited in the written contract that most teachers that were ever  
> made teachers by MMY signed, and to not deviate from those  
> teachings... 
>  
> Are you a teacher of TM?  If so, when you were made a teacher, do  
> you not remember signing a document? 
>  
> I do... 
>  
I was not given a copy of this document. Is it still a valid 
contract?  
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-05 Thread Nelson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> >  wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > There are some words in Russian that, when spoken
> > > > *by* natives, would bag people as being from a 
> > > > certain province, and having grown up there in 
> > > > a certain era. Same in French. I assume that the
> > > > same was true about American English at one point.
> > > > but much of that has been worn away by how much
> > > > Americans move around from state to state.
> > > 
> > > I remember seeing a TV program many years ago where authorities 
> (I 
> > > think they were police) could identify where a person was from 
> by 
> > > having them read a paragraph that had key words in it that by 
> the 
> > > way the people pronounced each word could pinpoint where the 
> > > speaker 
> > > was from.  I can't remember whether it was because the speaker 
> was 
> > > reluctant to say where they were from or whether the speaker had 
> > > amnesia.
> > 
> > There was a guy on Johnny Carson many, many years
> > ago who had a similar talent. If you grew up East
> > of the Mississippi, he could give you a list of
> > 50 words to pronounce and then tell you where you
> > were from, within a distance of 100 miles or so.
> > Even at the time (and this was decades ago) he
> > said that it didn't work for people from the
> > West because they moved around too much. I would
> > suspect that these days he wouldn't be able to
> > do it with East coasters, either.
> >
> 
> I've tried to find out if there is a "science" or "hobby" in which 
> people do such a thing...and I've tried googling but can't come up 
> with anything.
> 
> Anyone know what such a thing would be called?  Accent 
> identification?  Region identification through accents?
>
+++ Looks like a hobby for some maybe like trivia collecting.
Once, in the army,a training instructor observed that I had
travelled around some but had to be a NewEnglander.
In fairfield, I try to talk a little slower and use local
expressions and am amused with the natives telling me how wierd the
roos are.
Maybe you could start a new field of research- Regional syntax ID
INC  Sounds like a niche business- probably get rich.   N.





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[FairfieldLife] 15 kinds of inauspicious deaths

2006-03-05 Thread qntmpkt
(from a website on the Great Compassion Mantra).  Even Enlightened 
people can experience inauspicious deaths. A higher form of 
biological evolution would be the attainment of a "Rainbow Light 
Body". (even before physical death). 

The bad deaths are: 
1. They will not die of starvation or privation 
2. They will not die from having been yoked, imprisoned, caned or 
otherwise beaten 
3. They will not die at the hands of hostile enemies 
4. They will not be killed in military battle 
5. They will not be killed by tigers, wolves, or other evil beasts 
6. They will not die from the venom of poisonous snakes, black 
serpents, or scorpions 
7. They will not drown or be burned to death 
8. They will not be poisoned to death 
9. They will not die as a result of sorcery 
10. They will not die of madness or insanity 
11. They will not be killed by landslides or falling trees 
12. They will not die of nightmares sent by evil people 
13. They will not be killed by deviant spirits or evil ghosts 
14. They will not die of evil illnesses which bind the body 
15. They will not commit suicide 








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-05 Thread qntmpkt
---My experience differs from the contributor below.  I've been 
initiated into many mantra meditation techniques, but my TM mantra is 
the only one with significant Power in it.  Perhaps your initiation 
was invalid. (performed by a poor transmitter of Shakti). If other 
techniques are more powerful than TM, what are they? Thanks.
>  
> > I must respectfully disagree with you there. I
> > personally tried a 
> > few different technicques before learning TM
> 
> But when did you learn TM? Was this a long time ago?
> There wasn't much available besides TM in the 1960s
> and 1970s. The landscape has changed - dramatically -
> in the past decade. I have had personal experience
> with an assortment of techniques in the last decade
> that are much more powerful than TM, and much more
> powerful than the entire TM sidhis program. What
> TurquoiseB says is entirely correct, negative side
> effects included.
>   
> --- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB
> >  
> > wrote:
> > >
> >  The bottom line is that "TM" is just a brand
> > name for a
> > > made-up technique of meditation that is (in my
> > opinion
> > > as a former TM teacher) no better than any other
> > tech-
> > > nique of meditation, less effective than many, and
> > more
> > > likely to produce negative side effects than most.
> > 
> > 
> > I must respectfully disagree with you there. I
> > personally tried a 
> > few different technicques before learning TM, which
> > is the only one 
> > which enabled me to unequivocally transcend, easily
> > and on a regular 
> > basis.
> > 
> > As to the side effects, I think you'd find that for
> > any technique 
> > where transcendence is as regular as with TM. The
> > theory espoused 
> > about the practice, that it unwinds stresses in the
> > body, rings true 
> > for me during the time I've done the technique. 
> > 
> > For some I would guess, those stresses are deep
> > enough that they 
> > don't release very easily. Probably a pretty common
> > event for anyone 
> > doing spiritual practice for enough years.
>  
> 
> 
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[FairfieldLife] wonders of Tiruvannamalai

2006-03-05 Thread qntmpkt
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http://sacredsites.com/asia/india/tiruvanamalai.html

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-05 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
>  wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > There are some words in Russian that, when spoken
> > > *by* natives, would bag people as being from a 
> > > certain province, and having grown up there in 
> > > a certain era. Same in French. I assume that the
> > > same was true about American English at one point.
> > > but much of that has been worn away by how much
> > > Americans move around from state to state.
> > 
> > I remember seeing a TV program many years ago where authorities 
(I 
> > think they were police) could identify where a person was from 
by 
> > having them read a paragraph that had key words in it that by 
the 
> > way the people pronounced each word could pinpoint where the 
> > speaker 
> > was from.  I can't remember whether it was because the speaker 
was 
> > reluctant to say where they were from or whether the speaker had 
> > amnesia.
> 
> There was a guy on Johnny Carson many, many years
> ago who had a similar talent. If you grew up East
> of the Mississippi, he could give you a list of
> 50 words to pronounce and then tell you where you
> were from, within a distance of 100 miles or so.
> Even at the time (and this was decades ago) he
> said that it didn't work for people from the
> West because they moved around too much. I would
> suspect that these days he wouldn't be able to
> do it with East coasters, either.
>

I've tried to find out if there is a "science" or "hobby" in which 
people do such a thing...and I've tried googling but can't come up 
with anything.

Anyone know what such a thing would be called?  Accent 
identification?  Region identification through accents?






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[FairfieldLife] Interesting trivia question

2006-03-05 Thread shempmcgurk
Which segregationist, in 1975, said that black men who had sex with 
white women should be lynched?

(scroll down for answer)


























Muhammed Ali.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-05 Thread gullible fool
 
> I must respectfully disagree with you there. I
> personally tried a 
> few different technicques before learning TM

But when did you learn TM? Was this a long time ago?
There wasn't much available besides TM in the 1960s
and 1970s. The landscape has changed - dramatically -
in the past decade. I have had personal experience
with an assortment of techniques in the last decade
that are much more powerful than TM, and much more
powerful than the entire TM sidhis program. What
TurquoiseB says is entirely correct, negative side
effects included.
  
--- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> >
>  The bottom line is that "TM" is just a brand
> name for a
> > made-up technique of meditation that is (in my
> opinion
> > as a former TM teacher) no better than any other
> tech-
> > nique of meditation, less effective than many, and
> more
> > likely to produce negative side effects than most.
> 
> 
> I must respectfully disagree with you there. I
> personally tried a 
> few different technicques before learning TM, which
> is the only one 
> which enabled me to unequivocally transcend, easily
> and on a regular 
> basis.
> 
> As to the side effects, I think you'd find that for
> any technique 
> where transcendence is as regular as with TM. The
> theory espoused 
> about the practice, that it unwinds stresses in the
> body, rings true 
> for me during the time I've done the technique. 
> 
> For some I would guess, those stresses are deep
> enough that they 
> don't release very easily. Probably a pretty common
> event for anyone 
> doing spiritual practice for enough years.
 


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-05 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 3/5/06 6:18:18 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
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In India 
  people Namaste each other as a sign of mutual respect. In> the photos I 
  saw, Nader wasn't reciprocating. He was sitting on his > throne and 
  everyone else was bowing and scraping.I've seen a number of photos of 
  him doing Namasteto others.

Yeah , but did he look bored when namasting 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> on 3/5/06 2:35 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
> > wrote:
> >> 
> >> on 3/5/06 11:55 AM, MDixon6569@ at MDixon6569@ wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Hehehehe, Is it true that recerts have to bow before the Rajas?
> >>> What if you refused to bow before them? I think  I might be more
> >>> inclined to bend over and moon them myself.
> >>> 
> >> Wouldn¹t be surprised. I¹ve seen photos of people ³Namaste-ing²
> >> Tony Nader, and there was a slight bow in their stance.
> > 
> > That's pretty standard with Namaste, isn't it?
> > And Namaste is about as egalitarian a salutation
> > as there is.
> 
> In India people Namaste each other as a sign of mutual respect. In
> the photos I saw, Nader wasn't reciprocating. He was sitting on his 
> throne and everyone else was bowing and scraping.

I've seen a number of photos of him doing Namaste
to others.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-05 Thread gullible fool

> Supposedly less than 2 
> percent of lawsuits actually end up going to trial.

I once read an article in the Wall Street Journal that
said most of the IRS tax cases that become court cases
end up getting settled out of court, often at the
courthouse just before the case is heard, and for an
average of just three cents on the dollar.

--- Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> See A Civil Action last night? (Great movie)
> Supposedly less than 2 
> percent of lawsuits actually end up going to trial.
> 
> Sal
> 
> 
> On Mar 5, 2006, at 8:43 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
> 
> >  > Has mike waived his right to a jury trial?
> >
> >  It may not be up to him. States sometimes have
> the
> >  right to have certain cases handled by a judge or
> >  panel of judges.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-05 Thread anonyff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> on 3/5/06 4:18 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >> 
> > 
> > I remember seeing a TV program many years ago where authorities (I
> > think they were police) could identify where a person was from by
> > having them read a paragraph that had key words in it that by the
> > way the people pronounced each word could pinpoint where the speaker
> > was from.  I can't remember whether it was because the speaker was
> > reluctant to say where they were from or whether the speaker had
> > amnesia.
> 
> Remember Prof. Henry Higgins in My Fair Lady
>

I had an anatomy professor 30+ years ago (pre-med program) who could
tell where in the world your ancestry was from by the shape of your
skull. I don't know if it was pure luck or not, but he knew exactly
where in Eastern Europe my family descended from and he seemed to be
able to do this as if it was magic.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Shunned Britons now turning to Buddhism

2006-03-05 Thread TurquoiseB
Buddha always liked scorpions.  :-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "claudiouk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> http://www.buddhistchannel.tv/index.php?id=3,1952,0,0,1,0
> 
> Allure of Buddhism growing in the UK
> NewKerala, Nov 19, 2005
> London, UK -- Buddhism in Britain has received another boost with 
> the arrival of Tibetan spiritual leader, The Dalai Lama, on the 
> latest of his goodwill missions.
> 
> The exiled Tibetan leader was visiting Scotland where new figures 
> show that Buddhism is the fastest growing religion in the region.
> 
> In Glasgow, according to figures from the 2001 census, and 
reported 
> by The Independent, the number of people describing themselves as 
> Buddhist has soared by 28.5 per cent.
> 
> The growing number means there are nearly 1,200 Buddhists in the 
> city - more than the declining Jewish community, and only slightly 
> fewer than the number of Hindus. The Muslim population by 
contrast, 
> rose by just 0.7 per cent.
> 
> The census also reveals that Buddhism is more popular than Sikhism 
> or Judaism in Wales, and lags only 0.2 per cent behind Judaism in 
> England. In Westminster in central London, 1 per cent considers 
> itself Buddhist, a figure matched in Cambridge.
> 
> Buddhism is based on the teachings of the Buddha, an erstwhile 
> prince of the Saka Dynasty who lived 500 years before Christ.
> 
> It spread through Asia, only reaching Britain and the West many 
> centuries later. It has more than 350 million adherents, the 
central 
> tenet of whose faith is to put an end to suffering through the 
> realisation of truth.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Year of Good Darshan

2006-03-05 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> on 3/5/06 2:00 PM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> >> Holy company is compared to placing a smoldering log next to a
> >> fiercely burning log, the one ignites the other
> >> 
> > so why does the ignited one go back to smoldering?
> 
> Hanging out with a lot of soggy logs.
>
Ah, victims of our self-defined reality...





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[FairfieldLife] Shunned Britons now turning to Buddhism

2006-03-05 Thread claudiouk

http://www.buddhistchannel.tv/index.php?id=3,1952,0,0,1,0

Allure of Buddhism growing in the UK
NewKerala, Nov 19, 2005
London, UK -- Buddhism in Britain has received another boost with 
the arrival of Tibetan spiritual leader, The Dalai Lama, on the 
latest of his goodwill missions.

The exiled Tibetan leader was visiting Scotland where new figures 
show that Buddhism is the fastest growing religion in the region.

In Glasgow, according to figures from the 2001 census, and reported 
by The Independent, the number of people describing themselves as 
Buddhist has soared by 28.5 per cent.

The growing number means there are nearly 1,200 Buddhists in the 
city - more than the declining Jewish community, and only slightly 
fewer than the number of Hindus. The Muslim population by contrast, 
rose by just 0.7 per cent.

The census also reveals that Buddhism is more popular than Sikhism 
or Judaism in Wales, and lags only 0.2 per cent behind Judaism in 
England. In Westminster in central London, 1 per cent considers 
itself Buddhist, a figure matched in Cambridge.

Buddhism is based on the teachings of the Buddha, an erstwhile 
prince of the Saka Dynasty who lived 500 years before Christ.

It spread through Asia, only reaching Britain and the West many 
centuries later. It has more than 350 million adherents, the central 
tenet of whose faith is to put an end to suffering through the 
realisation of truth. 






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[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL only in the US

2006-03-05 Thread anonyff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> on 3/5/06 1:55 PM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
> > wrote:
> >> 
> >>> http://tinyurl.com/zp6up
> >> 
> >> But that's a search in Yahoo itself, not the Russian equivalent
> >> of groups.yahoo.com. Or does each country which has a customized
> >> Yahoo have a customized Yahoo Groups home page?
> > 
> > That may be the answer, Rick. It seems clear that
> > the Yahoo search engine in these various countries
> > does not have access to the same search database
> > that the US Yahoo search engine has. There may be
> > a simple way to construct a home page for FFL on
> > each of the country-specific sites that would
> > correct this.
> 
> That's an interesting idea.  A FFL home page could be created on each of
> these, but the description would ask people to go to
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ to participate.

Good idea.  Maybe a home page (independent of yahoo) which redirects
people to the yahoo group page would catch people who search from
google, altavista etc.  I've just tried, and a search for "fairfield
life" on altavista finds the group page at number 4 (not bad) but
google doesn't seem to find it at all.

> But of course,
> they could do that directly, and may be in the habit of going to
> http://groups.yahoo.com/ if their national equivalent didn't have
> a very wide list of offerings.
>

They might go to the US site instead of their other national site,
or they might just search on their national site and think that'll
find everything there is.  I'm a reasonably savvy internet user and
it took me a while to work out that yahoo offers different groups in
different countries.  Hmmm, does too much TM make you stupid, or is
it just me?

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-05 Thread Sal Sunshine
Ah, it's good to be the King.

Sal

On Mar 5, 2006, at 4:52 PM, Rick Archer wrote:

 In India people Namaste each other as a sign of mutual respect. In the
 photos I saw, Nader wasn't reciprocating. He was sitting on his throne and
 everyone else was bowing and scraping.


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-05 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/5/06 4:18 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> 
> 
> I remember seeing a TV program many years ago where authorities (I
> think they were police) could identify where a person was from by
> having them read a paragraph that had key words in it that by the
> way the people pronounced each word could pinpoint where the speaker
> was from.  I can't remember whether it was because the speaker was
> reluctant to say where they were from or whether the speaker had
> amnesia.

Remember Prof. Henry Higgins in My Fair Lady




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Year of Good Darshan

2006-03-05 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/5/06 3:21 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>> 
>>> http://amma.org/
>> 
>> No, she won't be here until June. I don't know exact dates, except
> for
>> Fairfield (July 8-9), but the tour schedule is as follows:
> Seattle, San
>> Ramon, Los Angeles, Santa Fe, Dallas, Chicago, Fairfield, New York,
>> Washington, Boston, Toronto
>> 
> 
> Tell me, every time you go and see her, do you get a hug?

Yes, once a day. Most stops on the tour are 2-3 days - some longer if
there's a retreat. San Ramon is longest, but tends to be very crowded.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-05 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/5/06 2:35 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>> 
>> on 3/5/06 11:55 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> 
>>> Hehehehe, Is it true that recerts have to bow before the Rajas?
>>> What if you refused to bow before them? I think  I might be more
>>> inclined to bend over and moon them myself.
>>> 
>> Wouldn¹t be surprised. I¹ve seen photos of people ³Namaste-ing² Tony
>> Nader, and there was a slight bow in their stance.
> 
> That's pretty standard with Namaste, isn't it?
> And Namaste is about as egalitarian a salutation
> as there is.

In India people Namaste each other as a sign of mutual respect. In the
photos I saw, Nader wasn't reciprocating. He was sitting on his throne and
everyone else was bowing and scraping.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-05 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote: 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  
wrote: 
> > 
> > Yeah, but it's so much more fun to create Rajas.  I mean, don't 
you  
> > have fantasies of dressing up in a robe and crown and going out 
in  
> > public? :) 
> >  
> > Sal 
>  
>  
> Actually,I did have those fantasies..when I was about 4 years old.  
 
It was alot less expensive at four: a couple of dish towels, some 
cardboard, sissors, and a little tinfoil is all it took. :-) 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit

2006-03-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff  
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
wrote:
> > >
> > > > Actually the literacy rate was pretty low in 1990 for 15 yr 
> > > > olds and above, but did increase 12% after the first gulf 
> > > > war,and sanctons, through 1998. Still, 75% is modest 
> > > > compared to Europe, Americas etc. So where Barry got that 
> > > > Iraq was #1 in 1990 is um "baffling." 
> > > 
> > > A lecturer from the U.N. offices in Paris. Although 
> > > she could have been full of merde, for all I know. 
> > > I met her in a bar, and because I was more interested
> > > in measuring her personal statistics than in questioning 
> > > her social statistics, I accepted her story at face value. 
> > > It is repeated here with the same face. :-)
> > > 
> > > > It appears Barry is, as often is the case, full of merde.
> > > 
> > > Ah, yet another Castanedan 'agreement' from the universe
> > > to the olde spiritual adage, "The world is as you are."
> > > 
> > > :-)  :-)  :-)
> > 
> > Ah yes, I fogot one of the laws of Turqie World -- 
> > "Everything I say must be right because any critique 
> > is just a reflection of that person's negativity. No 
> > critique is therefore valid, and ergo I am always right." 
> 
> That's an interesting paraphrase of my quip, but
> I think that all that I meant to suggest was that
> those who view the world through shit-colored 
> glasses tend to see things in a limited spectrum
> of brown.  :-)

Which does not mean, however, that some of the brown
things they see are not still plenty full of merde.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-05 Thread Sal Sunshine
ARTIST: Alan Jay Lerner and Frederick Loewe
TITLE: Why Can't the English
Lyrics and Chords

[My Fair Lady]

[ G#dim7 = 
 ]

Look at her a prisoner of the gutter
Condemned by every syllable she utters
By rights she should be taken out and hung
For the cold-blooded murder of the English tongue
Aw!
Aw! Heavens what a sound!
This is what the British population
Calls an elementary education
Oh come sir, I think you picked a poor example!
Did I?

/ D - Eb7 - / / D - A7 - / B7 - - - / E - D - / C# - B7 - /

Hear them down in Soho square
Dropping h's everywhere
Speaking English any way they like
You sir, did you go to school?
What do you tike me for, a fool?
No one taught him take instead of tike

/ Bb - / F7 Bb / - - C7 - / C#7 C7 / / C#7 C7 F7 - /

Hear a Yorkishman or worse
Hear a Cornishman converse
I'd rather hear a choir singing flat
Chickens cackling in a barn, just like this one
G'on!
G'on!  I ask you sir, what sort of word is that?
It's aw and g'on that keep her in her place
Not her wretched clothes and dirty face

/ Bb - / F7 Bb / - - Eb - / C7 F# Bb Ab7 /
/ C C# C - / - C# C C7 / 

Why can't the English
Teach their children how to speak
This verbal class distinction
By now should be antique
If you spoke as she does, sir
Instead of the way you do
Why you might be out selling flowers too
I beg your pardon, sir!

/ F - / C7 - / / F - / / Bb Gm7 / F C7 F - / 

An Englishman's way of speaking
Absolutely classifies him
The moment he talks
He makes some other Englishmen despise him
One common language I'm afraid we'll never get
Oh why can't the English learn to

/ E7 Am / E7 Am/maj7 / G7 C / G7 C7 /
/ F - Gm - / F - Gm7 C7 /

Set a good example
To people whose English is painful to your ears
The Scots and the Irish leave you close to tears
There even are places where English completely disappears
In America they haven't used it for years

/ F D / A7 D A7 D - / A7 - D - / E B7 G#dim7 B7 E - /

Why can't the English
Teach their children how to speak
Norwegians learn Norwegian
The Greeks are taught their Greek
In France every Frenchman
Knows his language from A to Zed
The French don't care what they do actually
As long as they pronounce it properly

/ F - / C7 - / / F - / / Gm Gm7 / 

Arabians learn Arabian
With the speed of summer lightning
And the Hebrews learn it backwards
Which is absolutely frightening
But use proper English, you're regarded as a freak
Oh why can't the English 
Why can't the English
Learn to speak!

/ E7 Am / E7 Am/maj7 / G7 C / G7 C7 / F - Gm - /
/ F - - - / Dm7 - / Gm7 C7 F - /
http://tinyurl.com/nlcqm


On Mar 5, 2006, at 4:30 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote:

 > I remember seeing a TV program many years ago where authorities (I 
 > think they were police) could identify where a person was from by 
 > having them read a paragraph that had key words in it that by the 
 > way the people pronounced each word could pinpoint where the speaker 
 > was from.  

 Yeah, that was Henry Higgins in My Fair Lady.


[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-05 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> Hey Turquioise - what a great idea! 
> I do it in another way. Saying in my Advertisements that I teach  
> techniques in Stress Release and that I have been a Teacher in  
> Transcendental Meditation since 1975. No one can stop me from  
> telling a big part of my life. But in Norway it is easier, because  
> The TMO has been denied to trademark Transcendental Meditation and 
I  
> have bought a domene with transcendentalmeditation. But if Mike  
> lose, it is a lot of ways to tell people what you are teaching. 
You  
> gave me some creative ideas here. 
> Ingegerd 
>  
That's it Ingegerd, Stress Release Meditation - SRM :-) 
 
JohnY 






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[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL only in the US

2006-03-05 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> on 3/5/06 1:55 PM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
 wrote:
> >> 
> >>> http://tinyurl.com/zp6up
> >> 
> >> But that's a search in Yahoo itself, not the Russian equivalent
> >> of groups.yahoo.com. Or does each country which has a customized
> >> Yahoo have a customized Yahoo Groups home page?
> > 
> > That may be the answer, Rick. It seems clear that
> > the Yahoo search engine in these various countries
> > does not have access to the same search database
> > that the US Yahoo search engine has. There may be
> > a simple way to construct a home page for FFL on
> > each of the country-specific sites that would
> > correct this.
> 
> That's an interesting idea.  A FFL home page could be created 
> on each of these, but the description would ask people to go to
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ to participate. 
> But of course, they could do that directly, and may be in the 
> habit of going to http://groups.yahoo.com/ if their national 
> equivalent didn't have a very wide list of offerings.

I suspect that's what happens by default. Unlike 
Google, Yahoo does not have a 'redirect' mechanism
that logs you in to the local site when you attempt
to contact yahoo.com from a country where there is
a local site. In contrast, type 'www.google.com'
from France, and you get redirected to www.google.fr.
Same with Google's other local sites.

So I would suspect that anyone from other countries
who had heard of Yahoo just typed in 'www.yahoo.com'
and got the US site and have continued with it ever
since. Unlike with Google, nothing interferes with
them doing this.








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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL only in the US

2006-03-05 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/5/06 2:25 PM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand Paul Mason"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>> Personally, I don't use the uk home page much, though its good for
>> checking UK news sometimes. Otherwise the .com is more useful,
>> more global.
> 
> T'would seem so, with the revelation that it doesn't
> distribute its Groups search engine database to all
> its local sites. It's an easily-correctable oversight
> that Google would've thought of early.

I'll send them the suggestion, although I don't know if anyone reads those.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL only in the US

2006-03-05 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/5/06 2:19 PM, Premanand Paul Mason at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Personally, I don't use the uk home page much, though its good for
> checking UK news sometimes. Otherwise the .com is more useful, more
> global.

And probably most experienced Internet users have discovered the same thing.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Year of Good Darshan

2006-03-05 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/5/06 2:00 PM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>> Holy company is compared to placing a smoldering log next to a
>> fiercely burning log, the one ignites the other
>> 
> so why does the ignited one go back to smoldering?

Hanging out with a lot of soggy logs.




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[FairfieldLife] Good news for vaata-types?

2006-03-05 Thread cardemaister

http://www.amjmed.com/article/PIIS0002934305010466/fulltext

Conclusion
The inverse association of sodium to CVD mortality seen here raises 
questions regarding the likelihood of a survival advantage accompanying 
a lower sodium diet. These findings highlight the need for further 
study of the relation of dietary sodium to mortality outcomes






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL only in the US

2006-03-05 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/5/06 1:55 PM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>> 
>>> http://tinyurl.com/zp6up
>> 
>> But that's a search in Yahoo itself, not the Russian equivalent
>> of groups.yahoo.com. Or does each country which has a customized
>> Yahoo have a customized Yahoo Groups home page?
> 
> That may be the answer, Rick. It seems clear that
> the Yahoo search engine in these various countries
> does not have access to the same search database
> that the US Yahoo search engine has. There may be
> a simple way to construct a home page for FFL on
> each of the country-specific sites that would
> correct this.

That's an interesting idea.  A FFL home page could be created on each of
these, but the description would ask people to go to
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ to participate. But of course,
they could do that directly, and may be in the habit of going to
http://groups.yahoo.com/ if their national equivalent didn't have a very
wide list of offerings.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-05 Thread a_non_moose_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" 
> >  wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Based on my experience, Russian is probably a far
> > > > easier language to learn than English. Talk about
> > > > consistent...once you've learned the alphabet 
> > > > (which is just Greek with a few extra letters)
> > > > and the basic verb endings and inflected noun
> > > > endings, it's pretty much a snap.  Or was. It
> > > > was a long time ago that I studied Russian.
> > > >
> > > +++ Would you think that  one learning Russian could eventually
> > > pronounce it well enough to pass as a native?
> > 
> > I think it would be very, very difficult indeed
> > for a non-native speaker to speak Russian so well
> > as to be mistaken for a native speaker. 
> > 
> > > One person that I met (Polish native) said there were 
> > > some words in their language that would seperate non natives 
> > > from natives.  N.
> > 
> > There are some words in Russian that, when spoken
> > *by* natives, would bag people as being from a 
> > certain province, and having grown up there in 
> > a certain era. Same in French. I assume that the
> > same was true about American English at one point.
> > but much of that has been worn away by how much
> > Americans move around from state to state.
> >
> 
> I remember seeing a TV program many years ago where authorities (I 
> think they were police) could identify where a person was from by 
> having them read a paragraph that had key words in it that by the 
> way the people pronounced each word could pinpoint where the speaker 
> was from.  

Yeah, that was Henry Higgins in My Fair Lady.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-05 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> wrote:
> >
> > Some linguists say that they detect a resemblance
> > between Basque and Tibetan. Which is curious, because
> > there is one other Tibetan/Pyrennes connection that
> > I know of. The breed of dog known as a Great Pyrennes
> > is found there, of course, but is also found in one
> > other place in the world -- Tibet. Go figure.
> > 
> > For all we know, a bunch of wandering Tibetans, far
> > from home and in search of high mountain terrain, 
> > may have found there way to the Pyrennes and settled
> > there.
> 
> A clear and blatant case of species discrimination on the part
> of Barry.
> 
> It could have easily been the dogs that wandered from Tibet, 
> settled in the Pyrenees, and caused the similarities of 
> language in both places.

That is certainly possible, if the population of both
areas had long, intimate bedroom conversations with
the dogs in question. 







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-05 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> wrote:
> >
> > There are some words in Russian that, when spoken
> > *by* natives, would bag people as being from a 
> > certain province, and having grown up there in 
> > a certain era. Same in French. I assume that the
> > same was true about American English at one point.
> > but much of that has been worn away by how much
> > Americans move around from state to state.
> 
> I remember seeing a TV program many years ago where authorities (I 
> think they were police) could identify where a person was from by 
> having them read a paragraph that had key words in it that by the 
> way the people pronounced each word could pinpoint where the 
> speaker 
> was from.  I can't remember whether it was because the speaker was 
> reluctant to say where they were from or whether the speaker had 
> amnesia.

There was a guy on Johnny Carson many, many years
ago who had a similar talent. If you grew up East
of the Mississippi, he could give you a list of
50 words to pronounce and then tell you where you
were from, within a distance of 100 miles or so.
Even at the time (and this was decades ago) he
said that it didn't work for people from the
West because they moved around too much. I would
suspect that these days he wouldn't be able to
do it with East coasters, either.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-05 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" 
>  wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
wrote:
> > >
> > > Actually, from what I've heard from linguists,
> > > Romany (Gypsy) has a great number of languages
> > > in its "family;" it has been described as a
> > > blend of many different languages. That's cer-
> > > tainly the way it sounds to me. But Basque
> > > remains linguistically pretty much a mystery; 
> > > it doesn't seem to have any clear relationship 
> > > to other languages on this rock.
> > >
> > +++ Atlantean expatriates?  (only if you believe the premise)
> > Didn't remember the Basque language mystery- thanks.  N.
> 
> Some linguists say that they detect a resemblance
> between Basque and Tibetan. Which is curious, because
> there is one other Tibetan/Pyrennes connection that
> I know of. The breed of dog known as a Great Pyrennes
> is found there, of course, but is also found in one
> other place in the world -- Tibet. Go figure.
> 
> For all we know, a bunch of wandering Tibetans, far
> from home and in search of high mountain terrain, 
> may have found there way to the Pyrennes and settled
> there.
>

A clear and blatant case of species discrimination on the part of 
Barry.

It could have easily been the dogs that wandered from Tibet, settled 
in the Pyrenees, and caused the similarities of language in both 
places.

Barry, you must search your heart and ask yourself what has caused 
this knee-jerk bias.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-05 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" 
>  wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
wrote:
> > >
> > > Based on my experience, Russian is probably a far
> > > easier language to learn than English. Talk about
> > > consistent...once you've learned the alphabet 
> > > (which is just Greek with a few extra letters)
> > > and the basic verb endings and inflected noun
> > > endings, it's pretty much a snap.  Or was. It
> > > was a long time ago that I studied Russian.
> > >
> > +++ Would you think that  one learning Russian could eventually
> > pronounce it well enough to pass as a native?
> 
> I think it would be very, very difficult indeed
> for a non-native speaker to speak Russian so well
> as to be mistaken for a native speaker. 
> 
> > One person that I met (Polish native) said there were 
> > some words in their language that would seperate non natives 
> > from natives.  N.
> 
> There are some words in Russian that, when spoken
> *by* natives, would bag people as being from a 
> certain province, and having grown up there in 
> a certain era. Same in French. I assume that the
> same was true about American English at one point.
> but much of that has been worn away by how much
> Americans move around from state to state.
>

I remember seeing a TV program many years ago where authorities (I 
think they were police) could identify where a person was from by 
having them read a paragraph that had key words in it that by the 
way the people pronounced each word could pinpoint where the speaker 
was from.  I can't remember whether it was because the speaker was 
reluctant to say where they were from or whether the speaker had 
amnesia.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-05 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" 
>  wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
wrote:
> > >
> > > Based on my experience, Russian is probably a far
> > > easier language to learn than English. Talk about
> > > consistent...once you've learned the alphabet 
> > > (which is just Greek with a few extra letters)
> > > and the basic verb endings and inflected noun
> > > endings, it's pretty much a snap.  Or was. It
> > > was a long time ago that I studied Russian.
> > >
> > +++ Would you think that  one learning Russian could eventually
> > pronounce it well enough to pass as a native?
> 
> I think it would be very, very difficult indeed
> for a non-native speaker to speak Russian so well
> as to be mistaken for a native speaker. 
> 
> > One person that I met (Polish native) said there were 
> > some words in their language that would seperate non natives 
> > from natives.  N.
> 
> There are some words in Russian that, when spoken
> *by* natives, would bag people as being from a 
> certain province, and having grown up there in 
> a certain era. Same in French. I assume that the
> same was true about American English at one point.
> but much of that has been worn away by how much
> Americans move around from state to state.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Year of Good Darshan

2006-03-05 Thread Mike Hutchinson
> Tell me, every time you go and see her, do you get a hug?


  I've only been once, but I believe a hug every time is what I would 
aim for.  For all the thousands of hugs she gives, it's remarkable that 
you can observe that none of the hugs are perfunctory, her full 
attention is on each person for the moment






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit

2006-03-05 Thread a_non_moose_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff  
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Actually the literacy rate was pretty low in 1990 for 15 yr 
> > > > olds and above, but did increase 12% after the first gulf 
> > > > war,and sanctons, through 1998. Still, 75% is modest 
> > > > compared to Europe, Americas etc. So where Barry got that 
> > > > Iraq was #1 in 1990 is um "baffling." 
> > > 
> > > A lecturer from the U.N. offices in Paris. Although 
> > > she could have been full of merde, for all I know. 
> > > I met her in a bar, and because I was more interested
> > > in measuring her personal statistics than in questioning 
> > > her social statistics, I accepted her story at face value. 
> > > It is repeated here with the same face. :-)
> > > 
> > > > It appears Barry is, as often is the case, full of merde.
> > > 
> > > Ah, yet another Castanedan 'agreement' from the universe
> > > to the olde spiritual adage, "The world is as you are."
> > > 
> > > :-)  :-)  :-)
> > 
> > Ah yes, I fogot one of the laws of Turqie World -- 
> > "Everything I say must be right because any critique 
> > is just a reflection of that person's negativity. No 
> > critique is therefore valid, and ergo I am always right." 
> 
> That's an interesting paraphrase of my quip, but
> I think that all that I meant to suggest was that
> those who view the world through shit-colored 
> glasses tend to see things in a limited spectrum
> of brown.  :-)

No, your phrase implied that if one sees shit, THEN they are wearing
shit colored glasses and thus their view in not valid. And therefore
Turqie Shit can never be pointed at. 

 






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-05 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > Actually, from what I've heard from linguists,
> > Romany (Gypsy) has a great number of languages
> > in its "family;" it has been described as a
> > blend of many different languages. That's cer-
> > tainly the way it sounds to me. But Basque
> > remains linguistically pretty much a mystery; 
> > it doesn't seem to have any clear relationship 
> > to other languages on this rock.
> >
> +++ Atlantean expatriates?  (only if you believe the premise)
> Didn't remember the Basque language mystery- thanks.  N.

Some linguists say that they detect a resemblance
between Basque and Tibetan. Which is curious, because
there is one other Tibetan/Pyrennes connection that
I know of. The breed of dog known as a Great Pyrennes
is found there, of course, but is also found in one
other place in the world -- Tibet. Go figure.

For all we know, a bunch of wandering Tibetans, far
from home and in search of high mountain terrain, 
may have found there way to the Pyrennes and settled
there. 








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-05 Thread Nelson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" 
>  wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
>  
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > And I've heard the same about a dozen other languages too, 
> > > > including French, Spanish, German, etc.
> > > > 
> > > > Ethnocentricity, Barry.  Because *we* speak it, it msut be 
> > > > the hardest to learn.  (Psst--lots of others pretty much 
> > > > feel the same way.)
> > > 
> > > Hey, I'm still struggling with French, and French is
> > > *much* more internally consistent (and thus easier
> > > to learn) than is English. English is all over the 
> > > map; at least French *mainly* makes sense. Except
> > > for the gender of nouns thang, that is. 
> > > 
> > > > It helps when learning a language, if you grew up in 
> > > > one or already learned one that was similar. Then the 
> > > > others in that group most likely would be easier.
> > > 
> > > Good luck learning Basque. It doesn't *have* a 
> > > group.  :-)
> > >
> > +++  Maybe Romanisch?  
> 
> Actually, from what I've heard from linguists,
> Romany (Gypsy) has a great number of languages
> in its "family;" it has been described as a
> blend of many different languages. That's cer-
> tainly the way it sounds to me. But Basque
> remains linguistically pretty much a mystery; 
> it doesn't seem to have any clear relationship 
> to other languages on this rock.
>
+++ Atlantean expatriates?  (only if you believe the premise)
Didn't remember the Basque language mystery- thanks.  N.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-05 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > Based on my experience, Russian is probably a far
> > easier language to learn than English. Talk about
> > consistent...once you've learned the alphabet 
> > (which is just Greek with a few extra letters)
> > and the basic verb endings and inflected noun
> > endings, it's pretty much a snap.  Or was. It
> > was a long time ago that I studied Russian.
> >
> +++ Would you think that  one learning Russian could eventually
> pronounce it well enough to pass as a native?

I think it would be very, very difficult indeed
for a non-native speaker to speak Russian so well
as to be mistaken for a native speaker. 

> One person that I met (Polish native) said there were 
> some words in their language that would seperate non natives 
> from natives.  N.

There are some words in Russian that, when spoken
*by* natives, would bag people as being from a 
certain province, and having grown up there in 
a certain era. Same in French. I assume that the
same was true about American English at one point.
but much of that has been worn away by how much
Americans move around from state to state.









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Year of Good Darshan

2006-03-05 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> on 3/5/06 1:13 PM, Mike Hutchinson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > I haven't posted for awhile... I saw Amma for the first time last
> > Sept '05 in San Ramon, CA.   It was interesting.  Sitting in the 
hall
> > where she held bhajans, satsang and hugs.  With closed eyes I 
felt
> > waves of "something"  spiritual-energy, constantly emanating 
form her
> > without break.  I got 2 hugs, the absolute seemed to be "right 
there"
> > in meditations for a few days afterwards.  I only went for the 
one
> > day, she comes back in June, I plan to attend all available days 
next
> > time.  By the way,  Rick – is she coming to usa in Apr?
> > 
> > http://amma.org/
> 
> No, she won't be here until June. I don't know exact dates, except 
for
> Fairfield (July 8-9), but the tour schedule is as follows: 
Seattle, San
> Ramon, Los Angeles, Santa Fe, Dallas, Chicago, Fairfield, New York,
> Washington, Boston, Toronto
>

Tell me, every time you go and see her, do you get a hug?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-05 Thread Nelson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson"  
> wrote:
> >  Wouldn't learning a second language as an adult be more 
> difficult
> > with already having one to trip over?
> >  I never noticed English being difficult but I would think that
> > looking at it from the outside, it would be a challenge.
> >  I would not like to have to learn Russian or Chineese for
> > example.  N.
> 
> Based on my experience, Russian is probably a far
> easier language to learn than English. Talk about
> consistent...once you've learned the alphabet 
> (which is just Greek with a few extra letters)
> and the basic verb endings and inflected noun
> endings, it's pretty much a snap.  Or was. It
> was a long time ago that I studied Russian.
>
+++ Would you think that  one learning Russian could eventually
pronounce it well enough to pass as a native?
One person that I met (Polish native) said there were some words
in their language that would seperate non natives from natives.  N.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit

2006-03-05 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > > Actually the literacy rate was pretty low in 1990 for 15 yr 
> > > olds and above, but did increase 12% after the first gulf 
> > > war,and sanctons, through 1998. Still, 75% is modest 
> > > compared to Europe, Americas etc. So where Barry got that 
> > > Iraq was #1 in 1990 is um "baffling." 
> > 
> > A lecturer from the U.N. offices in Paris. Although 
> > she could have been full of merde, for all I know. 
> > I met her in a bar, and because I was more interested
> > in measuring her personal statistics than in questioning 
> > her social statistics, I accepted her story at face value. 
> > It is repeated here with the same face. :-)
> > 
> > > It appears Barry is, as often is the case, full of merde.
> > 
> > Ah, yet another Castanedan 'agreement' from the universe
> > to the olde spiritual adage, "The world is as you are."
> > 
> > :-)  :-)  :-)
> 
> Ah yes, I fogot one of the laws of Turqie World -- 
> "Everything I say must be right because any critique 
> is just a reflection of that person's negativity. No 
> critique is therefore valid, and ergo I am always right." 

That's an interesting paraphrase of my quip, but
I think that all that I meant to suggest was that
those who view the world through shit-colored 
glasses tend to see things in a limited spectrum
of brown.  :-)







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-05 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff 
 
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB 
 
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff 
> >  
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > > > > Has mike waived his right to a jury trial? 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > It may not be up to him. Many states reserve the
> > > > > > right to try non-criminal civil cases before a
> > > > > > single judge or a panel of judges.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Just curious. What states are those? Is Florida?among 
them. If 
> > so
> > > does the exclusion of civil case jury trials apply to 
trademark 
> > cases? 
> > > > > 
> > > > > "In civil cases in state court, the right to a jury trial 
is
> > > governed  by the state's constitution and statutes. The 
Supreme 
> > Court
> > > has  repeatedly held that the Seventh Amendment right to a 
jury 
> > trial
> > > applies only to federal courts, not to state courts. As a 
practical
> > >  matter, though, most states make jury trials widely available 
for
> > > many  kinds of civil cases above the level of small claims 
court."
> > > > > snip
> > > 
> > > Do we even know if the case is being pursued under federal or 
state
> > > trademark law?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Trademarks are under federal jurisdiction.
> > 
> 
> No, read the link below -- thats why I looked it up and posted it.
> There are federal and thre are state statues.
> 
> ">Under state common law, trademarks are protected as part of the 
> > law of unfair competition. ... States' statutory provisions on
> trademarks differ but most have adopted a version of the Model
> Trademark Bill (MTB) "




Thanks for the clarification.

As Johnny Carson used to say: "I did not know that".






>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  I would assume the TMO is using the federal law so i)
> > > they can argue essentially the same case in any state, and ii) 
if 
> > > appealled they might gain some useful precidents that can be 
used
> > > across the nation.
> > > 
> > > If the case is is federal courts, then the Seventh Amendment 
right 
> > to
> > > a jury trial applies without question. In contrast to a 
Florida 
> > court,
> > > where  the right to a jury trial probably applies -- "though, 
most
> > > states make jury trials widely available for many  kinds of 
civil 
> > cases"
> > > 
> > > http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/index.php/Trademark
> > > Under the Lanham Act, a seller applies to register a trademark 
with
> > > the Patent and Trademark Office (http://www.uspto.gov/). The 
mark 
> > can
> > > already be in use or be one that will be used in the future. 
See §
> > > 1051 (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/15/1115.html) of the 
Act. 
> > The
> > > Office's regulations pertaining to trademarks are found in 
Parts 
> > 1 - 7
> > > of Title 37 of the Code of Federal Regulations. If the 
trademark is
> > > initially,  approved by an examiner, it is published in the 
> > Official
> > > Gazette of the Trademark Office to notify other parties of the 
> > pending
> > > approval so that it may be opposed. See §§ 1062 - 1063 of the 
Act.
> > > (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/15/1062.html) An appeals 
> > process is
> > > available for rejected applications. See §§ 1070 - 1071 of the 
Act.
> > > (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/15/1070.html)
> > > 
> > > Under state common law, trademarks are protected as part of 
the 
> > law of
> > > unfair competition. Registration is not required. See Unfair
> > > Competition. States' statutory provisions on trademarks differ 
but
> > > most have adopted a version of the Model Trademark Bill (MTB)
> > > (http://www.inta.org/policy/mstb.html) or the Uniform 
Deceptive 
> > Trade
> > > Practices Act (UDTPA)
> > > (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uniform/vol7.html#dectr). The MTB 
> > provides
> > > for registration of trademarks while the UDTPA does not.
> > >
> >
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-05 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > And I've heard the same about a dozen other languages too, 
> > > including French, Spanish, German, etc.
> > > 
> > > Ethnocentricity, Barry.  Because *we* speak it, it msut be 
> > > the hardest to learn.  (Psst--lots of others pretty much 
> > > feel the same way.)
> > 
> > Hey, I'm still struggling with French, and French is
> > *much* more internally consistent (and thus easier
> > to learn) than is English. English is all over the 
> > map; at least French *mainly* makes sense. Except
> > for the gender of nouns thang, that is. 
> > 
> > > It helps when learning a language, if you grew up in 
> > > one or already learned one that was similar. Then the 
> > > others in that group most likely would be easier.
> > 
> > Good luck learning Basque. It doesn't *have* a 
> > group.  :-)
> >
> +++  Maybe Romanisch?  

Actually, from what I've heard from linguists,
Romany (Gypsy) has a great number of languages
in its "family;" it has been described as a
blend of many different languages. That's cer-
tainly the way it sounds to me. But Basque
remains linguistically pretty much a mystery; 
it doesn't seem to have any clear relationship 
to other languages on this rock.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-05 Thread a_non_moose_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
> wrote:
> >
> > If I can get into YOUR field of endeavor (consulting, I think it 
> > is?) and am free to advertise my wares as "Consulting by Barry 
> > Wright", 

You are a brave man. I would be afraid of being shot by irate clients
and irate husbands.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-05 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> And I've heard the same about a dozen other languages too, 
including 
> French, Spanish, German, etc.
> 
> Ethnocentricity, Barry.  Because *we* speak it, it msut be the 
hardest 
> to learn.  (Psst--lots of others pretty much feel the same way.)






"If English was good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for me" H.L. 
Mencken







> 
> It helps when learning a language, if you grew up in one or 
already 
> learned one that was similar. Then the others in that group most 
likely 
> would be easier.
> 
> Sal
> 
> 
> On Mar 5, 2006, at 2:38 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
> 
> >  I don't think it's a matter of dumb and dumber; some
> >  languages really are harder for a non-native speaker
> >  to learn because they are less internally consistent
> >  in terms of grammar and syntax and usage. According
> >  to many people I've met who, late in life, became
> >  multilingual in many languages, English was one of
> >  the toughest to master.
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit

2006-03-05 Thread a_non_moose_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Actually the literacy rate was pretty low in 1990 for 15 yr 
> > olds and above, but did increase 12% after the first gulf 
> > war,and sanctons, through 1998. Still, 75% is modest 
> > compared to Europe, Americas etc. So where Barry got that 
> > Iraq was #1 in 1990 is um "baffling." 
> 
> A lecturer from the U.N. offices in Paris. Although 
> she could have been full of merde, for all I know. 
> I met her in a bar, and because I was more interested
> in measuring her personal statistics than in questioning 
> her social statistics, I accepted her story at face value. 
> It is repeated here with the same face. :-)
> 
> > It appears Barry is, as often is the case, full of merde.
> 
> Ah, yet another Castanedan 'agreement' from the universe
> to the olde spiritual adage, "The world is as you are."
> 
> :-)  :-)  :-)

Ah yes, I fogot one of the laws of Turqie World -- "Everything I say
must be right because any critique is just a reflection of that
person's negativity. No critique is therefore valid, and ergo I am
always right. " Wow. Thats masterful.  :) :) 

When you see Bush, you must see perfect wisdom and bliss, no error,
because "The world is as you are." :)  :) :)








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-05 Thread Nelson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  
> wrote:
> >
> > And I've heard the same about a dozen other languages too, 
> > including French, Spanish, German, etc.
> > 
> > Ethnocentricity, Barry.  Because *we* speak it, it msut be 
> > the hardest to learn.  (Psst--lots of others pretty much 
> > feel the same way.)
> 
> Hey, I'm still struggling with French, and French is
> *much* more internally consistent (and thus easier
> to learn) than is English. English is all over the 
> map; at least French *mainly* makes sense. Except
> for the gender of nouns thang, that is. 
> 
> > It helps when learning a language, if you grew up in 
> > one or already learned one that was similar. Then the 
> > others in that group most likely would be easier.
> 
> Good luck learning Basque. It doesn't *have* a 
> group.  :-)
>
+++  Maybe Romanisch?  

 Didn't think French was all that bad altho I got poor marks in it
in school.
 Maybe it could help that some ancestors spoke nothing but?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit

2006-03-05 Thread a_non_moose_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Actually the literacy rate was pretty low in 1990 for 15 yr 
> > olds and above, but did increase 12% after the first gulf 
> > war,and sanctons, through 1998. Still, 75% is modest 
> > compared to Europe, Americas etc. So where Barry got that 
> > Iraq was #1 in 1990 is um "baffling." 
> 
> A lecturer from the U.N. offices in Paris. Although 
> she could have been full of merde, for all I know. 
> I met her in a bar, and because I was more interested
> in measuring her personal statistics than in questioning 
> her social statistics, I accepted her story at face value. 
> It is repeated here with the same face. :-)
> 
> > It appears Barry is, as often is the case, full of merde.
> 
> Ah, yet another Castanedan 'agreement' from the universe
> to the olde spiritual adage, "The world is as you are."
> 
> :-)  :-)  :-)
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-05 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>  Wouldn't learning a second language as an adult be more 
difficult
> with already having one to trip over?
>  I never noticed English being difficult but I would think that
> looking at it from the outside, it would be a challenge.
>  I would not like to have to learn Russian or Chineese for
> example.  N.

Based on my experience, Russian is probably a far
easier language to learn than English. Talk about
consistent...once you've learned the alphabet 
(which is just Greek with a few extra letters)
and the basic verb endings and inflected noun
endings, it's pretty much a snap.  Or was. It
was a long time ago that I studied Russian.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-05 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> No, read the link below -- thats why I looked it up and posted it.
> There are federal and thre are state statues.
> 
> > "Under state common law, trademarks are protected as part of the 
> > law of unfair competition. ... States' statutory provisions on
> > trademarks differ but most have adopted a version of the Model
> > Trademark Bill (MTB) "

That may actually be a reason why the TMO has decided
to go ahead with this case in the state of Florida.
I'm no lawyer, but it's possible that Florida has a
stronger history of finding for the trademark holder
than other states do. That would make it a sound
choice of venue for a TM lawyer.








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Re: [FairfieldLife] Year of Good Darshan

2006-03-05 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/5/06 1:13 PM, Mike Hutchinson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I haven't posted for awhile... I saw Amma for the first time last
> Sept '05 in San Ramon, CA.   It was interesting.  Sitting in the hall
> where she held bhajans, satsang and hugs.  With closed eyes I felt
> waves of "something"  spiritual-energy, constantly emanating form her
> without break.  I got 2 hugs, the absolute seemed to be "right there"
> in meditations for a few days afterwards.  I only went for the one
> day, she comes back in June, I plan to attend all available days next
> time.  By the way,  Rick – is she coming to usa in Apr?
> 
> http://amma.org/

No, she won't be here until June. I don't know exact dates, except for
Fairfield (July 8-9), but the tour schedule is as follows: Seattle, San
Ramon, Los Angeles, Santa Fe, Dallas, Chicago, Fairfield, New York,
Washington, Boston, Toronto




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-05 Thread Nelson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> That's a myth.  They are all about equal difficulty as far as learning 
> goes, or else kids born in the languages that are supposed to be easier 
>   would start speaking at earlier ages, which of course they don't.
 (Of 
> course, the elitist response to that would be that they just have 
> dumber kids in those countries.)
> 
> Sal
> 
> 
> On Mar 5, 2006, at 1:55 PM, Nelson wrote:
> 
> >   You should be proud of yourself as even growing up with English, I
> >  would say it must be one of the more difficult ones to learn.
>
 Wouldn't learning a second language as an adult be more difficult
with already having one to trip over?
 I never noticed English being difficult but I would think that
looking at it from the outside, it would be a challenge.
 I would not like to have to learn Russian or Chineese for
example.  N.
 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-05 Thread a_non_moose_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff  
> wrote:
> >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff  
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff 
>  
> > > > > wrote:
> > 
> > > > > > Has mike waived his right to a jury trial? 
> > > > > 
> > > > > It may not be up to him. Many states reserve the
> > > > > right to try non-criminal civil cases before a
> > > > > single judge or a panel of judges.
> > > > 
> > > > Just curious. What states are those? Is Florida?among them. If 
> so
> > does the exclusion of civil case jury trials apply to trademark 
> cases? 
> > > > 
> > > > "In civil cases in state court, the right to a jury trial is
> > governed  by the state's constitution and statutes. The Supreme 
> Court
> > has  repeatedly held that the Seventh Amendment right to a jury 
> trial
> > applies only to federal courts, not to state courts. As a practical
> >  matter, though, most states make jury trials widely available for
> > many  kinds of civil cases above the level of small claims court."
> > > > snip
> > 
> > Do we even know if the case is being pursued under federal or state
> > trademark law?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Trademarks are under federal jurisdiction.
> 

No, read the link below -- thats why I looked it up and posted it.
There are federal and thre are state statues.

">Under state common law, trademarks are protected as part of the 
> law of unfair competition. ... States' statutory provisions on
trademarks differ but most have adopted a version of the Model
Trademark Bill (MTB) "
 




 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  I would assume the TMO is using the federal law so i)
> > they can argue essentially the same case in any state, and ii) if 
> > appealled they might gain some useful precidents that can be used
> > across the nation.
> > 
> > If the case is is federal courts, then the Seventh Amendment right 
> to
> > a jury trial applies without question. In contrast to a Florida 
> court,
> > where  the right to a jury trial probably applies -- "though, most
> > states make jury trials widely available for many  kinds of civil 
> cases"
> > 
> > http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/index.php/Trademark
> > Under the Lanham Act, a seller applies to register a trademark with
> > the Patent and Trademark Office (http://www.uspto.gov/). The mark 
> can
> > already be in use or be one that will be used in the future. See §
> > 1051 (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/15/1115.html) of the Act. 
> The
> > Office's regulations pertaining to trademarks are found in Parts 
> 1 - 7
> > of Title 37 of the Code of Federal Regulations. If the trademark is
> > initially,  approved by an examiner, it is published in the 
> Official
> > Gazette of the Trademark Office to notify other parties of the 
> pending
> > approval so that it may be opposed. See §§ 1062 - 1063 of the Act.
> > (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/15/1062.html) An appeals 
> process is
> > available for rejected applications. See §§ 1070 - 1071 of the Act.
> > (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/15/1070.html)
> > 
> > Under state common law, trademarks are protected as part of the 
> law of
> > unfair competition. Registration is not required. See Unfair
> > Competition. States' statutory provisions on trademarks differ but
> > most have adopted a version of the Model Trademark Bill (MTB)
> > (http://www.inta.org/policy/mstb.html) or the Uniform Deceptive 
> Trade
> > Practices Act (UDTPA)
> > (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uniform/vol7.html#dectr). The MTB 
> provides
> > for registration of trademarks while the UDTPA does not.
> >
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-05 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> And I've heard the same about a dozen other languages too, 
> including French, Spanish, German, etc.
> 
> Ethnocentricity, Barry.  Because *we* speak it, it msut be 
> the hardest to learn.  (Psst--lots of others pretty much 
> feel the same way.)

Hey, I'm still struggling with French, and French is
*much* more internally consistent (and thus easier
to learn) than is English. English is all over the 
map; at least French *mainly* makes sense. Except
for the gender of nouns thang, that is. 

> It helps when learning a language, if you grew up in 
> one or already learned one that was similar. Then the 
> others in that group most likely would be easier.

Good luck learning Basque. It doesn't *have* a 
group.  :-)







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-05 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > If I can get into YOUR field of endeavor (consulting, I think 
it 
> > > is?) and am free to advertise my wares as "Consulting by Barry 
> > > Wright", can I not unfairly cash in on the goodwill that you, 
> > > Barry Wright, have built up over the years through your own 
> > > hard work?  
> > 
> > I give you my full permission to try.  :-)
> > 
> > The perceived value is in the nature of the product
> > and whether it pays off for the paying client, not
> > in the name.
> > 
> > I'm suggesting that in the TMO-certified vs TMO-non-
> > certified debate, the bottom line is exactly the same.
> 
> I may feel about it that way and YOU may feel about it that 
> way but the TMO may not and they have every right to demand 
> that their product be differentiated in the marketplace.

That *is* what the expected reaction of a merchant
would be. 
 
> And, by the way, I've just registered 
> www.consultingbybarrywright.com . Thanks.

Cool. That and a buck fifty will get you a cuppa
java at Starbucks.  :-)







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-05 Thread Sal Sunshine
And I've heard the same about a dozen other languages too, including French, Spanish, German, etc.  

Ethnocentricity, Barry.  Because *we* speak it, it msut be the hardest to learn.  (Psst--lots of others pretty much feel the same way.)

It helps when learning a language, if you grew up in one or already learned one that was similar. Then the others in that group most likely would be easier.  

Sal


On Mar 5, 2006, at 2:38 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:

 I don't think it's a matter of dumb and dumber; some
 languages really are harder for a non-native speaker
 to learn because they are less internally consistent
 in terms of grammar and syntax and usage. According
 to many people I've met who, late in life, became
 multilingual in many languages, English was one of
 the toughest to master.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-05 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
> wrote:
> >
> > If I can get into YOUR field of endeavor (consulting, I think it 
> > is?) and am free to advertise my wares as "Consulting by Barry 
> > Wright", can I not unfairly cash in on the goodwill that you, 
> > Barry Wright, have built up over the years through your own 
> > hard work?  
> 
> I give you my full permission to try.  :-)
> 
> The perceived value is in the nature of the product
> and whether it pays off for the paying client, not
> in the name.
> 
> I'm suggesting that in the TMO-certified vs TMO-non-
> certified debate, the bottom line is exactly the same.
>

I may feel about it that way and YOU may feel about it that way but 
the TMO may not and they have every right to demand that their 
product be differentiated in the marketplace.

And, by the way, I've just registered 
www.consultingbybarrywright.com . Thanks.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-05 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> That's a myth.  They are all about equal difficulty as 
> far as learning goes, or else kids born in the languages 
> that are supposed to be easier would start speaking at 
> earlier ages, which of course they don't.  (Of course, 
> the elitist response to that would be that they just have 
> dumber kids in those countries.)

I don't think it's a matter of dumb and dumber; some
languages really are harder for a non-native speaker
to learn because they are less internally consistent
in terms of grammar and syntax and usage. According
to many people I've met who, late in life, became
multilingual in many languages, English was one of
the toughest to master.


> On Mar 5, 2006, at 1:55 PM, Nelson wrote:
> 
> >   You should be proud of yourself as even growing up with 
English, I
> >  would say it must be one of the more difficult ones to learn.
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> on 3/5/06 11:55 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>> > 
> > Hehehehe, Is it true that recerts have to bow before the Rajas? 
> > What if you refused to bow before them? I think  I might be more 
> > inclined to bend over and moon them myself.
> > 
> Wouldn¹t be surprised. I¹ve seen photos of people ³Namaste-ing² Tony
> Nader, and there was a slight bow in their stance.

That's pretty standard with Namaste, isn't it?
And Namaste is about as egalitarian a salutation
as there is.






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[FairfieldLife] Power of Thought

2006-03-05 Thread tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
from James Brahas book Living Reality about Sailor Bobs visit to the
US pages 291 and 292. Bob was a Nisargadatta guy who was a former
merchant marine. When he joined AA there were many bobs so he became
sailor bob. You can find him at www.nonduality.com

Bob: What you are doing now is what everone does. You are looking for
the answer in the mind. You are trying to work everything out. But
look at it another eway. You are seeing right now? Does your eye say,
"I see"? You are hearing now. DOes your ear say, "I hear"?

Rita: No

Bob: You are tranlating the seeing with a thought "I see" and you
tranlate the hearing with a thought "I hear". Now ask yourself: Does
the thought " I See" actually do the seeing?

Rita: No

BoB: Is the thought "I am aware" the awareness?

Rita: No

Bob: Is the thought "I Choose" the choicemaker?

Rita: No

Bob: What I am pointing out is that the thought has no power. When you
are trying to work out what to do and what not to do, realize  that
choices will be made and activities will happen. You are being lived,
and it's been that way since you were a child. Allow thoughts to do
what they're supposed to do--just translate. The mind can be used
properly.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-05 Thread Ingegerd
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd"
>  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hey Turquioise - what a great idea!
> > > > I do it in another way. Saying in my Advertisements that I 
teach 
> > > > techniques in Stress Release and that I have been a Teacher 
in 
> > > > Transcendental Meditation since 1975. No one can stop me 
from 
> > > > telling a big part of my life. But in Norway it is easier, 
> > because 
> > > > The TMO has been denied to trademark Transcendental 
Meditation 
> > and 
> > > I 
> > > > have bought a domene with transcendentalmeditation. But if 
Mike 
> > > > lose, it is a lot of ways to tell people what you are 
teaching. 
> > > You 
> > > > gave me some creative ideas here.
> > > > Ingegerd
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Was that a typo Indegerd?
> > > 
> > > What is "domene with transcendentalmeditation"?
> > > 
> > > What is "domene"?
> > 
> > I do not know in English  - "domain" maybe? It means that I 
bought a 
> > place in Internet: www.transcendentalmeditation.no. 
> > I also Trademark the former name of the TMO in Norway, MIKI 
Norge, 
> > when I started to be threaten by the TMO. All the books edited 
from 
> > the TMO, is referring to MIKI Norge.
> > Ingegerd
> > +++ If I could do as well with a second language,I would be quite
> pleased.  
>You should be proud of yourself as even growing up with 
English, I
> would say it must be one of the more difficult ones to learn.  N.

Thank You. I am still learning - it helps a lot to follow in FFL.
Ingegerd
>






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-05 Thread Sal Sunshine
That's a myth.  They are all about equal difficulty as far as learning goes, or else kids born in the languages that are supposed to be easier  would start speaking at earlier ages, which of course they don't.  (Of course, the elitist response to that would be that they just have dumber kids in those countries.)  

Sal


On Mar 5, 2006, at 1:55 PM, Nelson wrote:

  You should be proud of yourself as even growing up with English, I
 would say it must be one of the more difficult ones to learn.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-05 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey Turquioise - what a great idea!
> > > I do it in another way. Saying in my Advertisements that I 
teach 
> > > techniques in Stress Release and that I have been a Teacher in 
> > > Transcendental Meditation since 1975. No one can stop me from 
> > > telling a big part of my life. But in Norway it is easier, 
> because 
> > > The TMO has been denied to trademark Transcendental Meditation 
> and 
> > I 
> > > have bought a domene with transcendentalmeditation. But if 
Mike 
> > > lose, it is a lot of ways to tell people what you are 
teaching. 
> > You 
> > > gave me some creative ideas here.
> > > Ingegerd
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Was that a typo Indegerd?
> > 
> > What is "domene with transcendentalmeditation"?
> > 
> > What is "domene"?
> 
> I do not know in English  - "domain" maybe? It means that I bought 
a 
> place in Internet: www.transcendentalmeditation.no. 
> I also Trademark the former name of the TMO in Norway, MIKI Norge, 
> when I started to be threaten by the TMO. All the books edited 
from 
> the TMO, is referring to MIKI Norge.
> Ingegerd


Thanks...yes, it appears to be "domain" and trademarks.



> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > >  Free introductory lecture on BubbaMed,
> > > >  the $100 meditation technique that was 
> > > >  recently sued by the Transcendental 
> > > >  Meditation organization because they
> > > >  felt it was was competing with the
> > > >  $2500 meditation technique they sell.
> > > >  Come and listen for yourself, and make
> > > >  an informed decision.
> > > > 
> > > > :-)  :-)  :-)
> > > > 
> > > > Basically, I still have enough residual trust in the
> > > > courts of America to hope that the TMO will *lose*
> > > > this case, and big-time. (*Especially* if Jim's lawyers
> > > > are smart enough to show the judges photos of the Rajas
> > > > in their robes and crowns.) But if they don't, the 
> > > > decision will reflect badly on the TMO, not on the
> > > > teachers who continue to teach "BubbaMed" or whatever
> > > > they choose to call what they teach. 
> > > > 
> > > > The public is not stupid -- when presented with an
> > > > organization that sues its own for no other reason than 
> > > > TO MAKE MORE MONEY, they'll know where to go if they 
> > > > want to learn a technique of meditation that is still 
> > > > priced to appeal to someone who isn't rich.
> > > > 
> > > > Let the elitists appeal to the elitists they want to
> > > > recruit into their cult. If you feel the call to teach,
> > > > you can find a way to do so.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tmforlife108" 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Regarding the dirt that one supporter of Mike Scozzari 
> > > requested, 
> > > > I know  that item is not 
> > > > > central to Mike's defense. Mike told me he just wants 
> > everybody 
> > > to 
> > > > be able to teach TM 
> > > > > openly without fear and threats from the so called 
trademark 
> > > > holder.  If someone gets a 
> > > > > masters in education, pays for their education themselves, 
> the 
> > > > university has no right to 
> > > > > try and take the degree back 30 years later!
> > > > > 
> > > > > But to the post from someone (below) who wrote that there 
> > would 
> > > > not be precedent, I 
> > > > > think you are way off.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Don't be naive - winning this will be winning it for 
> everybody 
> > > and 
> > > > we can end this for 
> > > > > good.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I'm guessing this was written by  an attny,  possibly with 
> the 
> > > TMO 
> > > > as he must realize it will 
> > > > > set precedent.  He is just trying to sidestep that issue, 
> > which 
> > > > for supporters that are TM 
> > > > > teachers would be the most important issue.  If they win, 
> the 
> > > TMO 
> > > > could serve the papers 
> > > > > on other independent teachers using the TM trademark - and 
> > THEY 
> > > > WILL- precedent has 
> > > > > power!   What independent teacher would risk it if the TMO 
> > wins 
> > > > the case in Florida?
> > > > > 
> > > > > The trademark holder in this case has a long history of 
> > misusing 
> > > > that trademark.  Do we 
> > > > > need to go over this again?  A judge knows that threats 
> > against 
> > > > the trademark not acted 
> > > > > on by the TMO do not amount to defending the trademark.  
If 
> > you 
> > > > know someone is 
> > > > > misusing the trademark and has done so for years, 
> threatening 
> > > them 
> > > > with phone calls is 
> > > > > not defending the trademark, it's harassment.  The courts 
> will 
> > > > have this information as it 
> > > > > unravels.  If TM is going to continue to be available I 
> agree -
> >  
> > > it 
> > > > will be thanks to the 
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL only in the US

2006-03-05 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand Paul Mason" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Personally, I don't use the uk home page much, though its good for 
> checking UK news sometimes. Otherwise the .com is more useful,
> more global.

T'would seem so, with the revelation that it doesn't
distribute its Groups search engine database to all
its local sites. It's an easily-correctable oversight
that Google would've thought of early.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL only in the US

2006-03-05 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
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> on 3/5/06 12:14 PM, Premanand Paul Mason at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > The Russian page is very useful, however try the following link and
> > see if you can find an active group related the topic:-
> > http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/
> 
> Can't. I see no setting which would enable FFL to show up in
> country-specific Yahoo groups. Alex or Gullible Fool to the rescue?

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[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL only in the US

2006-03-05 Thread Premanand Paul Mason
Personally, I don't use the uk home page much, though its good for 
checking UK news sometimes. Otherwise the .com is more useful, more 
global.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer  
> wrote:
> >
> > on 3/5/06 12:14 PM, Premanand Paul Mason at premanandpaul@ wrote:
> > 
> > > The Russian page is very useful, however try the following link 
and
> > > see if you can find an active group related the topic:-
> > > http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/
> 
> Is the home(?)page "useless", then:
> 
> http://uk.yahoo.com
> 
> 
> > 
> > Can't. I see no setting which would enable FFL to show up in
> > country-specific Yahoo groups. Alex or Gullible Fool to the 
rescue?
> >
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Take a break from all the TM talk and let's ponder some really important news...

2006-03-05 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Gallo or Mogen David? Knowing that might explain everything...

Actually, for anyone who, in one's youth, was familiar
with the effects of various chemicals, his choice of
poisons really *does* explain everything. This is a
man in considerable pain -- psychic, emotional, and
physical. How sad.

> On Mar 5, 2006, at 1:10 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
> 
> > The eight-page proposal for "Legacy: Surviving the Best and the
> > Worst," lists Michael Jackson's preferred substances as Vicodin,
> > Demerol, codeine, Percocet, cocaine, Jack Daniels and wine.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-05 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" 
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>
> I got some written rules in my hand when I became a TM-Teacher,
> how to behave and one of the rules where - that we should not
> turn people away if they did not have the money. We should teach 
> everybody who wanted to learn TM even if they could not pay.

Clearly off the program.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-05 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> wrote:
> >
>  The bottom line is that "TM" is just a brand name for a
> > made-up technique of meditation that is (in my opinion
> > as a former TM teacher) no better than any other tech-
> > nique of meditation, less effective than many, and more
> > likely to produce negative side effects than most. 
> 
> I must respectfully disagree with you there. I personally 
> tried a few different technicques before learning TM, 
> which is the only one which enabled me to unequivocally 
> transcend, easily and on a regular basis.

I have absolutely no problem with you making that
statement, and it being completely true. I had a
different experience. My statement is based on
my experience.

> As to the side effects, I think you'd find that for any 
> technique where transcendence is as regular as with TM. 

I disagree. I have personally experienced types of
meditation in which FOR ME, transcendence was FAR
more regular than TM ever produced, and which pro-
duced no undesirable side effects at all, in me or
in my many friends who were also practicing them.

> The theory espoused about the practice, that it unwinds 
> stresses in the body, rings true for me during the time 
> I've done the technique. 

It doesn't for me, but it's fine to disagree on this.

> For some I would guess, those stresses are deep enough 
> that they don't release very easily. Probably a pretty 
> common event for anyone doing spiritual practice for 
> enough years.

But *not* common in some traditions, traditions that
employ techniques of meditation that really *do* go
back centuries, as opposed to (sorry to say it, but
it's right there in the forward to TM movement publi-
cations) made up by Maharishi and presented as a 
"revival" of ancient knowledge.

I'm really not playing "better/best" here. TM is 
*remarkably* easy to learn and in my opinion effec-
tive in many cases. It's just that I really *have*
experienced other forms of meditation that I found
more effective personally and -- looking at the
spectrum of people practicing them in my presence --
more free of undesirable side effects. If I had to
guess (and a guess is all it is), I would suspect
that these techniques had had more "field testing" 
over the centuries. 

If the TM movement was still interested in actually
teaching TM, at a reasonable cost, I'd say "Good for
them." But I would *not* be able to say, based on
my own experience, either that it was the most 
effective style of meditation I had ever experienced,
or the most problem-free.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-05 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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>
> If I can get into YOUR field of endeavor (consulting, I think it 
> is?) and am free to advertise my wares as "Consulting by Barry 
> Wright", can I not unfairly cash in on the goodwill that you, 
> Barry Wright, have built up over the years through your own 
> hard work?  

I give you my full permission to try.  :-)

The perceived value is in the nature of the product
and whether it pays off for the paying client, not
in the name.

I'm suggesting that in the TMO-certified vs TMO-non-
certified debate, the bottom line is exactly the same.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL only in the US

2006-03-05 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> on 3/5/06 12:14 PM, Premanand Paul Mason at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > The Russian page is very useful, however try the following link and
> > see if you can find an active group related the topic:-
> > http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/

Is the home(?)page "useless", then:

http://uk.yahoo.com


> 
> Can't. I see no setting which would enable FFL to show up in
> country-specific Yahoo groups. Alex or Gullible Fool to the rescue?
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Year of Good Darshan

2006-03-05 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Hutchinson" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I haven't posted for awhile... I saw Amma for the first time last 
> Sept '05 in San Ramon, CA.   It was interesting.  Sitting in the 
hall 
> where she held bhajans, satsang and hugs.  With closed eyes I felt 
> waves of "something"  spiritual-energy, constantly emanating form 
her 
> without break.  I got 2 hugs, the absolute seemed to be "right 
there" 
> in meditations for a few days afterwards.  I only went for the one 
> day, she comes back in June, I plan to attend all available days 
next 
> time.  By the way,  Rick – is she coming to usa in Apr?
> 
> http://amma.org/
> 
> On Shiva Ratri night Feb 26 a few days ago I saw Swami Nithyananda 
in 
> Arcadia (next to Los Angeles)  perform a puja for the occaision.  
He 
> explained that on Shiva Ratri night (of the new moon) that 
> a "clairivoyant" (quaint choice of words) energy bathes the earth 
> that whatever you experience at this time makes a deep impression 
on 
> the psyche, hence it is profitable to be engaged in a spiritual 
> program at this time.  His biography is interesting.  He grew up 
> around Ramana Maharshi's Arunchala hill.  Here's a link:
> 
>   http://www.dhyanapeetam.org/Childhood.asp
> 
> I got on the reservation list for Mother Meera's USA tour for 
August, 
> so I'll look forward to having her darshan.
> 
> http://home.arcor.de/maatrix/dir/DirE.html
> 
> And then Karunamayi is coming in April.  
> 
> http://www.karunamayi.org/HB-Home.html
> 
> So if all goes well I can have the darshan of 4 saints this year…
> 
> Holy company is compared to placing a smoldering log next to a 
> fiercely burning log, the one ignites the other
>
so why does the ignited one go back to smoldering?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-05 Thread Nelson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey Turquioise - what a great idea!
> > > I do it in another way. Saying in my Advertisements that I teach 
> > > techniques in Stress Release and that I have been a Teacher in 
> > > Transcendental Meditation since 1975. No one can stop me from 
> > > telling a big part of my life. But in Norway it is easier, 
> because 
> > > The TMO has been denied to trademark Transcendental Meditation 
> and 
> > I 
> > > have bought a domene with transcendentalmeditation. But if Mike 
> > > lose, it is a lot of ways to tell people what you are teaching. 
> > You 
> > > gave me some creative ideas here.
> > > Ingegerd
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Was that a typo Indegerd?
> > 
> > What is "domene with transcendentalmeditation"?
> > 
> > What is "domene"?
> 
> I do not know in English  - "domain" maybe? It means that I bought a 
> place in Internet: www.transcendentalmeditation.no. 
> I also Trademark the former name of the TMO in Norway, MIKI Norge, 
> when I started to be threaten by the TMO. All the books edited from 
> the TMO, is referring to MIKI Norge.
> Ingegerd
> +++ If I could do as well with a second language,I would be quite
pleased.  
   You should be proud of yourself as even growing up with English, I
would say it must be one of the more difficult ones to learn.  N.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL only in the US

2006-03-05 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> > http://tinyurl.com/zp6up
> 
> But that's a search in Yahoo itself, not the Russian equivalent 
> of groups.yahoo.com. Or does each country which has a customized 
> Yahoo have a customized Yahoo Groups home page?

That may be the answer, Rick. It seems clear that
the Yahoo search engine in these various countries
does not have access to the same search database 
that the US Yahoo search engine has. There may be
a simple way to construct a home page for FFL on 
each of the country-specific sites that would 
correct this.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-05 Thread TurquoiseB
> > Hehehehe, Is it true that recerts have to bow before the 
> > Rajas? What if you refused to bow before them? I think  
> > I might be more inclined to bend over and moon them myself.
> > 
> Wouldn¹t be surprised. I¹ve seen photos of people ³Namaste-ing² 
> Tony Nader, and there was a slight bow in their stance.

Now Vaj...you know how you tend to negatively color
anything related to the TM movement. It's possible
that what you interpreted as a bow was just them
moving out of the way of Bevan's stomach as it
passed.









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit

2006-03-05 Thread TurquoiseB
> Actually the literacy rate was pretty low in 1990 for 15 yr 
> olds and above, but did increase 12% after the first gulf 
> war,and sanctons, through 1998. Still, 75% is modest 
> compared to Europe, Americas etc. So where Barry got that 
> Iraq was #1 in 1990 is um "baffling." 

A lecturer from the U.N. offices in Paris. Although 
she could have been full of merde, for all I know. 
I met her in a bar, and because I was more interested
in measuring her personal statistics than in questioning 
her social statistics, I accepted her story at face value. 
It is repeated here with the same face. :-)

> It appears Barry is, as often is the case, full of merde.

Ah, yet another Castanedan 'agreement' from the universe
to the olde spiritual adage, "The world is as you are."

:-)  :-)  :-)








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-05 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  
wrote:
> >
> > Yeah, but it's so much more fun to create Rajas.  I mean, 
> > don't you have fantasies of dressing up in a robe and 
> > crown and going out in public? :)
> 
> Actually,I did have those fantasies..when I was about 4 
> years old. 

Cost less, at age four, didn't it. 

Inflation, and all that...  :-)








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Re: [FairfieldLife] Take a break from all the TM talk and let's ponder some really important news...

2006-03-05 Thread Sal Sunshine
Gallo or Mogen David? Knowing that might explain everything...

Sal


On Mar 5, 2006, at 1:10 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:

 The eight-page proposal for "Legacy: Surviving the Best and the 
 Worst," lists Michael Jackson's preferred substances as Vicodin, 
 Demerol, codeine, Percocet, cocaine, Jack Daniels and wine.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-05 Thread Ingegerd
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> What conditions were attached?
> 
> Sal
> 
> 
> On Mar 5, 2006, at 12:49 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
> 
> >  With the exception of maybe the first 40 or 50 TM teachers 
taught in
> >  the early '60s, I've never, EVER heard of a TM teacher that was 
told
> >  when MMY made him a teacher that he could teach TM "no 
conditions
> >  attached".

I got some written rules in my hand when I became a TM-Teacher, how 
to behave and one of the rules where - that we should not turn 
people away if they did not have the money. We should teach 
everybody who wanted to learn TM even if they could not pay.
Ingegerd
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL only in the US

2006-03-05 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/5/06 12:14 PM, Premanand Paul Mason at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> The Russian page is very useful, however try the following link and
> see if you can find an active group related the topic:-
> http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/

Can't. I see no setting which would enable FFL to show up in
country-specific Yahoo groups. Alex or Gullible Fool to the rescue?




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-05 Thread Nelson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff  
> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff 
>  
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Basically, I still have enough residual trust in the
> > > > > > courts of America to hope that the TMO will *lose*
> > > > > > this case, and big-time. (*Especially* if Jim's lawyers
> > > > > > are smart enough to show the judges photos of the Rajas
> > > > > > in their robes and crowns.) 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Has mike waived his right to a jury trial? 
> > > > 
> > > > It may not be up to him. Many states reserve the
> > > > right to try non-criminal civil cases before a
> > > > single judge or a panel of judges.
> > > 
> > > Just curious. What states are those? Is Florida?among them. If 
> so does
> > > the exclusion of civil case jury trials apply to trademark 
> cases? 
> > > 
> > > "In civil cases in state court, the right to a jury trial is 
> governed
> > > by the state's constitution and statutes. The Supreme Court has
> > > repeatedly held that the Seventh Amendment right to a jury trial
> > > applies only to federal courts, not to state courts. As a 
> practical
> > > matter, though, most states make jury trials widely available 
> for many
> > > kinds of civil cases above the level of small claims court."
> > > snip
> > +++ If the case is in a Florida court, the outcome would likely be
> > unpredictable due to the many possible influences there.
> > Recall the vote counting situation some years back when the
> > president was appointed.
> > Last year, a court there handed down a decision that sentenced 
> a
> > person to death by starvation and dehydration.
> > And, if the LR Hubbard people get involved, it will go their 
> way
> > as they run part of Florida.
> 
> 
> Now, this last comment really sparked my interest.
> 
> Pray tell, what's that all about?
>+++ Major scientology center there- responsible for a lot of bizarre
stuff.  N.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-05 Thread Ingegerd
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > Hey Turquioise - what a great idea!
> > I do it in another way. Saying in my Advertisements that I teach 
> > techniques in Stress Release and that I have been a Teacher in 
> > Transcendental Meditation since 1975. No one can stop me from 
> > telling a big part of my life. But in Norway it is easier, 
because 
> > The TMO has been denied to trademark Transcendental Meditation 
and 
> I 
> > have bought a domene with transcendentalmeditation. But if Mike 
> > lose, it is a lot of ways to tell people what you are teaching. 
> You 
> > gave me some creative ideas here.
> > Ingegerd
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Was that a typo Indegerd?
> 
> What is "domene with transcendentalmeditation"?
> 
> What is "domene"?

I do not know in English  - "domain" maybe? It means that I bought a 
place in Internet: www.transcendentalmeditation.no. 
I also Trademark the former name of the TMO in Norway, MIKI Norge, 
when I started to be threaten by the TMO. All the books edited from 
the TMO, is referring to MIKI Norge.
Ingegerd
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > >  Free introductory lecture on BubbaMed,
> > >  the $100 meditation technique that was 
> > >  recently sued by the Transcendental 
> > >  Meditation organization because they
> > >  felt it was was competing with the
> > >  $2500 meditation technique they sell.
> > >  Come and listen for yourself, and make
> > >  an informed decision.
> > > 
> > > :-)  :-)  :-)
> > > 
> > > Basically, I still have enough residual trust in the
> > > courts of America to hope that the TMO will *lose*
> > > this case, and big-time. (*Especially* if Jim's lawyers
> > > are smart enough to show the judges photos of the Rajas
> > > in their robes and crowns.) But if they don't, the 
> > > decision will reflect badly on the TMO, not on the
> > > teachers who continue to teach "BubbaMed" or whatever
> > > they choose to call what they teach. 
> > > 
> > > The public is not stupid -- when presented with an
> > > organization that sues its own for no other reason than 
> > > TO MAKE MORE MONEY, they'll know where to go if they 
> > > want to learn a technique of meditation that is still 
> > > priced to appeal to someone who isn't rich.
> > > 
> > > Let the elitists appeal to the elitists they want to
> > > recruit into their cult. If you feel the call to teach,
> > > you can find a way to do so.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tmforlife108" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Regarding the dirt that one supporter of Mike Scozzari 
> > requested, 
> > > I know  that item is not 
> > > > central to Mike's defense. Mike told me he just wants 
> everybody 
> > to 
> > > be able to teach TM 
> > > > openly without fear and threats from the so called trademark 
> > > holder.  If someone gets a 
> > > > masters in education, pays for their education themselves, 
the 
> > > university has no right to 
> > > > try and take the degree back 30 years later!
> > > > 
> > > > But to the post from someone (below) who wrote that there 
> would 
> > > not be precedent, I 
> > > > think you are way off.
> > > > 
> > > > Don't be naive - winning this will be winning it for 
everybody 
> > and 
> > > we can end this for 
> > > > good.
> > > > 
> > > > I'm guessing this was written by  an attny,  possibly with 
the 
> > TMO 
> > > as he must realize it will 
> > > > set precedent.  He is just trying to sidestep that issue, 
> which 
> > > for supporters that are TM 
> > > > teachers would be the most important issue.  If they win, 
the 
> > TMO 
> > > could serve the papers 
> > > > on other independent teachers using the TM trademark - and 
> THEY 
> > > WILL- precedent has 
> > > > power!   What independent teacher would risk it if the TMO 
> wins 
> > > the case in Florida?
> > > > 
> > > > The trademark holder in this case has a long history of 
> misusing 
> > > that trademark.  Do we 
> > > > need to go over this again?  A judge knows that threats 
> against 
> > > the trademark not acted 
> > > > on by the TMO do not amount to defending the trademark.  If 
> you 
> > > know someone is 
> > > > misusing the trademark and has done so for years, 
threatening 
> > them 
> > > with phone calls is 
> > > > not defending the trademark, it's harassment.  The courts 
will 
> > > have this information as it 
> > > > unravels.  If TM is going to continue to be available I 
agree -
>  
> > it 
> > > will be thanks to the 
> > > > independents. They just need to see the importance of this 
> case 
> > in 
> > > Florida and help with 
> > > > the defense. 
> > > > 
> > > > Who can honestly say that the TMO is headed in the right 
> > > direction? 
> > > > 
> > > > Daniel Jeffers
> > > > 
> > > > One friend who has a spiritual take wrote this
> > > > The Bastards are abusing us, the legitimate teachers of M's 
> > > knowledge, A

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