Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Nils Bohr on Off World

[Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It?]

The material world is a basic and relative truth, and as a
consequence the proper use, rational utilization and
maximum utilization of all resources, mundane, supramundane,
psychic, metaphysical, and spiritual potentialities of the universe.
Economics is an integral part of this, a concern of both saints and
morons.  Nothing of what I said contradicts any of this.

I've read very little of Patanjali, and know of a couple mistakes as well.
I speak from experience.

 You demonstrate exactly what I said by your assertions,
assertion based on the minimitis of the parameter of
psychic agitations within one's vanity and contempt,
demeaning this discussion.  Shoving evolution backwards
at other people's expense and delighting in that is himsa.

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On 1/10/08, matrixmonitor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --so, you're saying that any talk of economics in relation to
> Enlightened people would "demean" the discussion; this in view of the
> questional behavior of such persons in begging for alms and
> (possibly) resorting to dishonest methods to squeeze money out of
> people.  Is that your position?  Interesting fantasy.  You've been
> reading too much Patanjali.  This is the real world.
>
>
>
> - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You
> Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It?"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > In the earliest discoveries and explorations of any realm
> > subtler than what one is familiar with, the 'folds' of
> > the subtler dimension are, at best, the only perceivable
> > by such minds.  As the mind dilates further this
> > perception threshold becomes more intrinsic in their
> > perspective, less exotic as subtler realms are pursued
> > further.  What they are referring to, and what the
> > Princeton Egg experiment is rubbing shoulders with is
> > indeed the outer folds of the fifth dimension, whereas a
> > mind ensconced in the fifth dimension, the realm where
> > time is both past, present and future, and future may
> > well be witnessed as happening before the past has even
> > been conceived.
> >
> > When people dream they involve the fifth dimension at
> > times, including in the ability to astral travel, to
> > witness remote locations, whether asleep or awake, to
> > foresee or dream future events and to witness things
> > occurring in remote locations beyond the mundane realms
> > of their sensual capacities.  At the very least this
> > involves greater involvement of the vijanamaya kosa in
> > their minds, while often disbelief, usually during waking
> > hours or in the community of others, retards their
> > capabilities and permissions for those capabilities
> > within their conscious attention within the usual realms
> > of kamamaya or manaomaya kosas.
> >
> > An excellent example of that is a very highly decorated
> > soldier who while leading his soldiers in charge he dives
> > deeply into an intimate rapport, as he perceives it, with
> > the or a great spirit of this universe, delivering his
> > sincerity and implicit faith in the moral essence of
> > their shared purpose, the deservedness of their actions
> > and the certainty of their success.  Having trekked upon
> > as many or more missions than any other soldier in the US
> > military, he has never lost a soldier in any of those
> > engagements, despite all the fighting and challenges
> > against lethally competent enemies.  Despite the external
> > appearances of specific religiosity, all the soldiers in
> > his charge are in awe at Bo Gritz intuitive capabilities
> > to both keep them safe and fulfill their missions.
> >
> > Each of us have been entrusted with the intuitional
> > science exacting the cultivation of each kosa and the
> > intimate rapport with the core of this universe,
> > transcending one's individuation in this universe and the
> > ota yoga relationship to both witness the ubiquity of
> > love, dharma, the perpetuity of satyam and the eternity
> > of tapah and one's self as the instrument of that tapah
> > through every thought, word and deed for the wellbeing of
> > all.  This is the result of passing your kundalini
> > through your heart and of ensconcing yourself into the
> > fifth dimension -- what a magnificent state to be in --
> > anything less is an ocean of himsa, an ocean of tamas
> > perpetrated by the eternally clueless exhaustive efforts
> > of mental masturbation in a sea of vanity surfing.
> >
> > "Enlightened person"?  Such stock market challenges are
> > part of that same mental masturbation, such values are an
> > obscenity to "enlightened" people once they reach such
> > thresholds of spiritual excellence.  Why not ask them to
> > demonstrate the magnificence of their love -- you'll certainly
> > have your answer if you ask the r

[FairfieldLife] Re: Nils Bohr on Off World

[matrixmonitor]

--so, you're saying that any talk of economics in relation to 
Enlightened people would "demean" the discussion; this in view of the 
questional behavior of such persons in begging for alms and 
(possibly) resorting to dishonest methods to squeeze money out of 
people.  Is that your position?  Interesting fantasy.  You've been 
reading too much Patanjali.  This is the real world.



- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You 
Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It?" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> In the earliest discoveries and explorations of any realm
> subtler than what one is familiar with, the 'folds' of
> the subtler dimension are, at best, the only perceivable
> by such minds.  As the mind dilates further this
> perception threshold becomes more intrinsic in their
> perspective, less exotic as subtler realms are pursued
> further.  What they are referring to, and what the
> Princeton Egg experiment is rubbing shoulders with is
> indeed the outer folds of the fifth dimension, whereas a
> mind ensconced in the fifth dimension, the realm where
> time is both past, present and future, and future may
> well be witnessed as happening before the past has even
> been conceived.
> 
> When people dream they involve the fifth dimension at
> times, including in the ability to astral travel, to
> witness remote locations, whether asleep or awake, to
> foresee or dream future events and to witness things
> occurring in remote locations beyond the mundane realms
> of their sensual capacities.  At the very least this
> involves greater involvement of the vijanamaya kosa in
> their minds, while often disbelief, usually during waking
> hours or in the community of others, retards their
> capabilities and permissions for those capabilities
> within their conscious attention within the usual realms
> of kamamaya or manaomaya kosas.
> 
> An excellent example of that is a very highly decorated
> soldier who while leading his soldiers in charge he dives
> deeply into an intimate rapport, as he perceives it, with
> the or a great spirit of this universe, delivering his
> sincerity and implicit faith in the moral essence of
> their shared purpose, the deservedness of their actions
> and the certainty of their success.  Having trekked upon
> as many or more missions than any other soldier in the US
> military, he has never lost a soldier in any of those
> engagements, despite all the fighting and challenges
> against lethally competent enemies.  Despite the external
> appearances of specific religiosity, all the soldiers in
> his charge are in awe at Bo Gritz intuitive capabilities
> to both keep them safe and fulfill their missions.
> 
> Each of us have been entrusted with the intuitional
> science exacting the cultivation of each kosa and the
> intimate rapport with the core of this universe,
> transcending one's individuation in this universe and the
> ota yoga relationship to both witness the ubiquity of
> love, dharma, the perpetuity of satyam and the eternity
> of tapah and one's self as the instrument of that tapah
> through every thought, word and deed for the wellbeing of
> all.  This is the result of passing your kundalini
> through your heart and of ensconcing yourself into the
> fifth dimension -- what a magnificent state to be in --
> anything less is an ocean of himsa, an ocean of tamas
> perpetrated by the eternally clueless exhaustive efforts
> of mental masturbation in a sea of vanity surfing.
> 
> "Enlightened person"?  Such stock market challenges are
> part of that same mental masturbation, such values are an
> obscenity to "enlightened" people once they reach such
> thresholds of spiritual excellence.  Why not ask them to
> demonstrate the magnificence of their love -- you'll certainly
> have your answer if you ask the right questions.
> 
>  *When you assume a threshold of being that is expansive
> enough to contain the universe, then the universe is
> within you, accessible in whole along with all its
> talents and charms.  Do not hesitate another moment to
> acknowledge this loving magnanimity within you and
> express this satyam through your service to humanity.*
> **
> *Now that you know this sublime truth,
> the world awaits your advent, now.*
> 
> 
> 
> On 1/10/08, tertonzeno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > ---True, but I'm still challenging any Enlightened person to 
predict
> > tomorrow's stock market outcome.  None have taken me up on the
> > challenge (if they're tapping into quantum reality, some 
economists
> > maintain an analogous parallel between certain laws of economics 
and
> > the laws of QM).
> > On the contrary, recently I received a phone call solicitation 
from
> > a rep of Andrew Cohen's "Enlightenment Magazine" asking for $$
> > donations.
> > Coming from a guy supposedly a pioneer in "Evolotionary
> > Enlightenment", I told Cohen's rep that there appears to be a gap
> > between what's tacitly proclaimed as the benefits of Enlighten

[FairfieldLife] Re: Nils Bohr on Off World

[ruthsimplicity]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You
Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It?"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> 
> "Enlightened person"?  Such stock market challenges are
> part of that same mental masturbation, such values are an
> obscenity to "enlightened" people once they reach such
> thresholds of spiritual excellence.  
>

Oh really?  That was what I always thought, that the enlightened were
"beyond" such pettiness.  But then why is the TMO is so interested in
claiming the stock market rises when all the Siddhas are together?  


DharmaMitra also says:

  Why not ask them to
> demonstrate the magnificence of their love -- you'll certainly
> have your answer if you ask the right questions.
> 

So did you?  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Nils Bohr on Off World

[Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It?]

In the earliest discoveries and explorations of any realm
subtler than what one is familiar with, the 'folds' of
the subtler dimension are, at best, the only perceivable
by such minds.  As the mind dilates further this
perception threshold becomes more intrinsic in their
perspective, less exotic as subtler realms are pursued
further.  What they are referring to, and what the
Princeton Egg experiment is rubbing shoulders with is
indeed the outer folds of the fifth dimension, whereas a
mind ensconced in the fifth dimension, the realm where
time is both past, present and future, and future may
well be witnessed as happening before the past has even
been conceived.

When people dream they involve the fifth dimension at
times, including in the ability to astral travel, to
witness remote locations, whether asleep or awake, to
foresee or dream future events and to witness things
occurring in remote locations beyond the mundane realms
of their sensual capacities.  At the very least this
involves greater involvement of the vijanamaya kosa in
their minds, while often disbelief, usually during waking
hours or in the community of others, retards their
capabilities and permissions for those capabilities
within their conscious attention within the usual realms
of kamamaya or manaomaya kosas.

An excellent example of that is a very highly decorated
soldier who while leading his soldiers in charge he dives
deeply into an intimate rapport, as he perceives it, with
the or a great spirit of this universe, delivering his
sincerity and implicit faith in the moral essence of
their shared purpose, the deservedness of their actions
and the certainty of their success.  Having trekked upon
as many or more missions than any other soldier in the US
military, he has never lost a soldier in any of those
engagements, despite all the fighting and challenges
against lethally competent enemies.  Despite the external
appearances of specific religiosity, all the soldiers in
his charge are in awe at Bo Gritz intuitive capabilities
to both keep them safe and fulfill their missions.

Each of us have been entrusted with the intuitional
science exacting the cultivation of each kosa and the
intimate rapport with the core of this universe,
transcending one's individuation in this universe and the
ota yoga relationship to both witness the ubiquity of
love, dharma, the perpetuity of satyam and the eternity
of tapah and one's self as the instrument of that tapah
through every thought, word and deed for the wellbeing of
all.  This is the result of passing your kundalini
through your heart and of ensconcing yourself into the
fifth dimension -- what a magnificent state to be in --
anything less is an ocean of himsa, an ocean of tamas
perpetrated by the eternally clueless exhaustive efforts
of mental masturbation in a sea of vanity surfing.

"Enlightened person"?  Such stock market challenges are
part of that same mental masturbation, such values are an
obscenity to "enlightened" people once they reach such
thresholds of spiritual excellence.  Why not ask them to
demonstrate the magnificence of their love -- you'll certainly
have your answer if you ask the right questions.

 *When you assume a threshold of being that is expansive
enough to contain the universe, then the universe is
within you, accessible in whole along with all its
talents and charms.  Do not hesitate another moment to
acknowledge this loving magnanimity within you and
express this satyam through your service to humanity.*
**
*Now that you know this sublime truth,
the world awaits your advent, now.*



On 1/10/08, tertonzeno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> ---True, but I'm still challenging any Enlightened person to predict
> tomorrow's stock market outcome.  None have taken me up on the
> challenge (if they're tapping into quantum reality, some economists
> maintain an analogous parallel between certain laws of economics and
> the laws of QM).
> On the contrary, recently I received a phone call solicitation from
> a rep of Andrew Cohen's "Enlightenment Magazine" asking for $$
> donations.
> Coming from a guy supposedly a pioneer in "Evolotionary
> Enlightenment", I told Cohen's rep that there appears to be a gap
> between what's tacitly proclaimed as the benefits of Enlightenment
> and actual performance.
>
>
> In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You
> Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It?"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > While "quantum" is usually discussed in realms of physics,
> meditation gets
> > us to the quantum realm(s).  Raising the kundalini past the anahat
> will
> > present past, present and future as a tripartite of a singular
> whole and the
> > most profound word resonating throughout your being will be "NOW!",
> in your
> > native language.  From this threshold new paradigms can be created,
> answers
> > to nearly any question are readily experienced and being in more
> than one
> > place at a time is possible, among othe

[FairfieldLife] Re: Nils Bohr on Off World

[ruthsimplicity]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tertonzeno" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> ---True, but I'm still challenging any Enlightened person to predict 
> tomorrow's stock market outcome.  None have taken me up on the 
> challenge (if they're tapping into quantum reality, some economists 
> maintain an analogous parallel between certain laws of economics and 
> the laws of QM).




My luck we get a bunch of enlightened, but not very nice people,
fucking with the laws of physics. Some goofball with a crown decided
irreverent Ruthie should trip and fall.  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Nils Bohr on Off World

[tertonzeno]

---True, but I'm still challenging any Enlightened person to predict 
tomorrow's stock market outcome.  None have taken me up on the 
challenge (if they're tapping into quantum reality, some economists 
maintain an analogous parallel between certain laws of economics and 
the laws of QM).
 On the contrary, recently I received a phone call solicitation from 
a rep of Andrew Cohen's "Enlightenment Magazine" asking for $$ 
donations.
 Coming from a guy supposedly a pioneer in "Evolotionary 
Enlightenment", I told Cohen's rep that there appears to be a gap 
between what's tacitly proclaimed as the benefits of Enlightenment 
and actual performance. 


 In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You 
Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It?" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> While "quantum" is usually discussed in realms of physics, 
meditation gets
> us to the quantum realm(s).  Raising the kundalini past the anahat 
will
> present past, present and future as a tripartite of a singular 
whole and the
> most profound word resonating throughout your being will be "NOW!", 
in your
> native language.  From this threshold new paradigms can be created, 
answers
> to nearly any question are readily experienced and being in more 
than one
> place at a time is possible, among other progressively more subtle
> capabilities yet to become ubiquitous in human life on Earth.  
Quantum
> Psyche, that's for us, you betcha, by golly, and how!
> 
>  *Tantra Psychology
> *http://TantraPsychology.Learn.to 

> 
> *They are "educated" who have learned much, remembered much,
> and make use of their knowledge in everyday life.
> And of these lessons integrated into their life,
> moral conscience is the most imperative to learn
> and convey to others.
> Their virtues give true meaning to education. *
> 
> 
> On 1/10/08, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >  On Jan 10, 2008, at 2:43 AM, off_world_beings wrote:
> >
> >
> > "Anyone who is not shocked by quantum theory has not understood 
it."
> > As quoted in Leadership and the New Science: Discovering Order in 
a
> > Chaotic World (1999) by Margaret J. Wheatley, p. 32
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "The notion of complementarity does in no way involve a departure 
from our
> > position as detached observers of nature...The essentially new 
feature in
> > the analysis of quantum phenomena is the introduction of a 
*fundamental
> > distinction between the measuring apparatus and the objects under
> > investigation*...In our future encounters with reality we shall 
have to
> > distinguish between the objective side and the subjective side, 
to make a
> > division between the two," (Bohr's ital.)
> >
> >
> > -Nils Bohr
> >
>