Re: D-rings
This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Meredith, Before I broke down and had a western saddle made, I used to ride and (sometimes)pack in the mountains with a lovely old forward seat saddle,(my old eventing friend). I rigged up something that worked well enough for me to carry one of those canvas cantle bags. I took some vinyl wrapped wire, that was limber enough to tie, but strong enough not to break, and starting on the off side pommel , secured the wire to the D there. Then I went under the stirrup flap, following the groove between where the seat ends and the panel begins (hope your'e following here..) and at the point where any normal and rational person would of put a D ring, I tied off a small loop in the wire and continued my merry way 'round the back of the cantle and to the D on the near side, tying onto it, and continuing along up to the front pommel D on the near side. Tie off and cut wire. You can then run an extra piece of wore or baling twine from wire just in front of rear D's, to one of the billet straps under the leg panels. - Or you can throw up your hands and say 'uncle',and get a trail riding saddle with more tie strings and D's than you'll ever know what to do with. ( Hey, you could strap on your dressage saddle?!) Oh, I know...invest in one of those trail riding/endurance pads with the pockets sewn in, and get a waist pack __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Do you kiss your kids?
This message is from: "Sanders" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> When my kids were little there were whole days when they weren't any cleaner than a horse. I still smooched 'em and tickled behind their ears Maybe it's the mother in me but how can anyone resist those big chocolate eyes and soft fuzzy muzzle? It's easy to cuddle the cute, sweet ones. The maternal/paternal responses just take over and before you even realize it you are cooing,cuddling and, yes, even kissing those loveable loots. Jennie's horse, Serena, intimidates me- she's the boss when we're alone and she knows it. There are times I'd like to take her behind the proverbial woodshed and thrash her! But even that terror gets spontaneous kisses from me sometimes. Once you get to know them, and they know you, most are just like over-grown-wanna-be-lap dogs. I find it interesting that so many of the training tactics are the same as dog training also! No name, just- Jennie's mom
Re: Fjord Mare for Sale
This message is from: "Mark and Lisa K. McGinley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Sarah, We are in just the opposite situation as you, we have three riders and only two riding horses! How much are you asking for Lara? Thanks, Mark McGinley Mariposa Farm http://angelfire.com/wi/mariposa
Fjord Mare for Sale
This message is from: "Carl Nagel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> After much consideration and weighing it out, I have decided to offer one of my mares for sale: Quad-L's Lara 4 year old maiden mare. She has been ground driven and started under saddle this summer. Lara has good ground manners and wants to learn. She's very athletic, strong and forward. Her dam - Quad-L's Trixie and her sire - Paradise Blue Jeans.Lara is a brown dun with very nice conformation. She is 14.2 hands and weighs 1150 lbs. She has a full sister who is a grey, Quad-L's Sierra, who was shown at Libby this year (a two year old). I am new to Fjords and have rusty horsemanship skills. I currently own a 16 year old mare and a yearling gelding, as well as Lara. I have decided that I don't need 3 horses, especially two that need training since I am the only one in the family who rides. I believe Lara will realize her full potential being owned by someone who has more experience. She is from good bloodlines and should produce excellent foals, and offers the possibility of producing greys. Her sire is grey and she has grey producing bloodlines on the dam's side (thru Quad-L's Rusten). The trainer who started Lara for me this summer summed up Lara by saying, "She's a good solid horse, very smart and willing to learn. And she has no bad habits to undo." Anyway, if you have any questions for me, please email me. Thanks! Sarah Nagel in Sandpoint, Idaho where it's snowing!!!
Re: babies/germs/fjords
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >-Puppy poop may contain worm eggs that can infect children and cause >problems. (The particular worms are more likely found in puppies than >adult dogs). Also keep puppies from licking children's faces Brian, I would like to add a note about a serious danger from dog (and wolf!) poop in Alaska, especially certain areas, is the echinococcus tapeworms and other tapeworms that infect moose and also some rodents and hares. The larval and cyst form of these tapeworms use the moose and hares, rodents, etc. as hosts, while the adult forms infest the wolves and dogs who eat these animals. Tapeworm cysts are often found in the muscle meat and liver of moose; People can eat this meat RAW even and not be infested, but feed it raw to your dog and you could catch the tapeworm from the eggs shed in the dog's poop! Then you would be the host to the larval form. The Echinococcus tapeworms are especially dangerous as they form sometime very large Hydatid cysts with multible individual larvae and it is almost like a tumor, very dangerous. I found a web site which explains more about this parasite: http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dpd/ahd.htm To quote some of the information from this website: *** What is Alveolar Hydatid disease (AHD)? AHD (al-VEE-oh-ler HIGH-dad-id) disease results from being infected with the larval stage of Echinococcus multilocularis, a microscopic tapeworm (1-4 millimeters) found in foxes, coyotes, dogs, and cats. Although human cases are rare, infection in humans causes parasitic tumors to form in the liver, and, less commonly, the lungs, brain, and other organs. If left untreated, infection with AHD can be fatal. Where has AHD been found? AHD is found worldwide, mostly in northern latitudes. Cases have been reported in central Europe, Russia, China, Central Asia, Japan, and North America. In North America E. multilocularis is found primarily in the north central region from eastern Montana to central Ohio, as well as Alaska and Canada. Human cases have been reported in Alaska, the province of Manitoba, and Minnesota. Prevalence among wild foxes and coyotes is high, and may reach over 50% in some areas; however, even in these areas,transmission to humans has been low. How does infection occur in foxes, coyotes, dogs, and other cats? Wild foxes, coyotes, and cats get infected when they eat Echinococcus multilocularis larvae in infected rodents, field mice, or voles. Cats are less susceptible than dogs, but because they probably catch and eat rodents more often, may also become infected. Once the animal becomes infected, the tapeworm matures in its intestine, lays eggs, and the infected animal passes eggs inthe stool. These tapeworm eggs, which are directly infectious to other animals, are too tiny to see, and will stick to anything with which they come in contact. Coyotes, foxes, dogs, and cats are not harmed by the tapeworm and do not have symptoms of AHD. I won't go into any more details, but look up this website if you want to learn more. I suspect some of this information may at leaswt deterre you from letting your dogs lick you in the face I hope I haven't ruined anybody's dinner! Jean in Frigid Frosty Fairbanks, Alaska, -25 degrees ( but could be worse, record low was -58!) Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wonder dust eTc./furacin .
This message is from: Joanna Crell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Try to remember that Nitrofuracin or"Fura-zone" ointment should only be used fresh,and only within the first three days of an accident, especially a deep cut on the leg. It is an antibiotic ointment and both loses its strength and turns toxic if exposed to heat. While many of its ingredients stay viable the magic bullet in it supposedly is unstable. Many antibiotics that you ingest are the same way, ie. Tetracyclin, Septramyacin, etc. You wouldn't want to ingest anything old that was changed into a poisonous element, so don't risk compromising an animal by introducing it via a wound/trauma into their circulatory system. I know its a drag to have these expensive half used jars, I have used the old yeller on hooves and dry tails(just a little dab'ldo ya) and even on my boots. Lanolin is in there, what else? Besides the change in the mix, another important fact is that the tissue in the wound needs to granulate. Furacin will not help that! This has been explained by many vets, mine uses it in combination with some other things like tea tree oil to make a magic ear fungus potion, again only last a few monthes kept cool.Healing from the inside out would be lovely if it happened that way always, its a miracle if you can keep a bung clean and fly free, aanddd end up with no proud flesh.. Like me you can try taping a magnet on a leg and spend alot of time in your pasture hunting for it. === Joanna Crell - David Folger Willowind Therapeutic Horseback Riding Center Phone & FAX (207) 288-9506
Re: Purple Stuff and Wonder Dust
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, 01 Dec 1999 10:59:11 -0800 GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >Now you've done it Brian! Contradicted my recently departed veterinarian - >AND destroyed everything I thought I knew about wound treatment. :) > >The veterinarian that I had before the current one recommended Wonder Dust >and air exposure for a bad nick on a horse's cannon. This was after proud >flesh had already established itself and been trimmed away. and >I thought I'd gotten at least one thing down correctly from her - "Put Wonder Dust on >wounds likely to result in proud flesh." For those on the List who have not yet encountered Proud Flesh, here's a brief description. When a wound occurs that can't be/is not sutured, it has to heal by means of new tissue filling in the defect, and then skin growing across. The tissue that fills in the wound is called "granulation tissue". There is something peculiar about horses in that, occasionally, a leg wound will heal "too well", meaning that the granulation tissue will not stop growing when it is level with the skin. Instead, it keeps growing which results in a mound of tissue sticking out from the wound. This is called excessive granulation tissue, or proud flesh. This extra tissue prevents the skin from covering the wound because the skin needs a level surface to grow across. Proud flesh seems to be inevitable with some leg wounds in horses. There are some things that can be done, though, to decrease the amount that forms. The pressure from bandaging helps. "Immobilizing" the wound via bandaging and stall rest helps. I put immobilizing in quotes because we can't keep a horse from moving, but we can try to limit it. Ointments with steroids in them help, but steroids also slow down skin growth, so that is a trade-off. Various powders, creams, and ointments such as Wonder Dust and Proudsoff can help. Different veterinarians have different preferences about what to use and when. If the products designed to slow/prevent proud flesh are used while the wound is still healing (i.e. before it has filled in completely), then these products slow the healing. The very tissue they slow down is the tissue needed to fill in the wound. My preference is to get the wound filled in as quickly as possible, utilizing bandaging and stall rest if necessary, and then deal with proud flesh if it forms. My beef with Wonder Dust is (are) the following: a) Not all parts of a wound always need proud flesh treatment. Some parts may have filled in just right, and some parts may have excessive tissue. It is hard to keep a powder or dust from covering the whole wound. With an ointment, such as Proudsoff Ointment, it is easier to get it just where you need it. b) Not all wounds end up with proud flesh. If Wonder Dust has been used on a wound that wasn't going to end up with excessive healing tissue anyhow, then all that was done was slow down the healing. c) People misuse Wonder Dust frequently. It really is designed to combat excessive granulation tissue, but many people use it as an all purpose wound treatment, i.e. just throw it on any wound. I must confess that I was a little harsh in my condemnation of Wonder Dust in the initial post; It is good for what it was intended for. It's just that it is more often used for something it wasn't intended for, than something it was (see c. above). Gail also wrote: >My current amateur veterinary rule for minor wounds - from watching the previous vet >treat various minor wounds- is to clean and cover above the knee (if covering is >possible) and clean and Wonder Dust below the knee. It is true that proud flesh is more likely to form in wounds below the knee (carpus) than above it, so I assume that's why your previous veterinarian had the treatment preference you listed. As I stated in the initial post though, anytime you can bandage a wound, if you have seen how to do it properly, do it. You know how the body will try to form a scab if the wound is exposed to the air? This is the body's attempt to form a bandage because you did not put one on. The moist environment under a bandage will encourage healing, and the pressure from the bandage will decrease excessive granulation tissue formation. While bandaging is not always feasible, it is always desireable. So my recommendation would be to modify your rule of thumb slightly, Gail, to, "Clean all wounds. Bandage if possible. Use a mild antiseptic ointment as needed. Use proud flesh product if granulation tissue is starting to be excessive." Gail also writes: >Oh - And one more question. I have been tempted to use Wonder Dust above >the knee as well - on wounds that could not be covered easily (most places >on a horse's upper body) because *dirt doesn't stick to it.* Is there any kind of spray on >bandage that will actually stay in place on upper body wounds? I have not had experience with "spray-on bandages" (like Dermaplast that
Re: sand colic
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] A method of "measuring" whether there is too much sand in a horse was mentioned, and I feel it deserves some more discussion. Ask your veterinarian for some plastic sleeves (the kind he/she palpates with). Put one on and grab a BIG handful of one horse's fresh manure from the ground (taking care not to pick up sand with it). Turn the sleeve inside out as you take it off, then add enough water to it to easily cover the manure. Tie a knot in the shoulder end of the sleeve. "Scrunch" the water and manure together to mix. Hang sleeve, fingers pointing down, from a nail or gate, etc. Let sit for 5 minutes. Results: -If you cannot feel any sand in the tips of the fingers, likely your horse does not have a problem with sand accumulation. -If you can see/feel just a few grains of sand in each fingertip, same as above. -If you can see/feel a pea-sized amount, or more, of sand in the fingertips, your horse may be headed for trouble. If you want to be a little more technical about it, see the last issue of Equus for explanation on measuring exact parts of water and manure, etc. Your veterinarian can also help by listening with a stethoscope to your horse's ventral abdomen. Sometimes a veterinarian is treated to a quick, inexpensive trip to the beach while listening, because if there is a lot of sand in there, that's exactly what it sounds like - standing on the beach hearing the waves rush across the sand. Sounds crazy I know, but I've heard it several times. If your vet hears this, your horse definitely has sand trouble! What to do? I agree with Steve that the idea of using Psyllium doesn't seem to make sense. While people can benefit from fiber, especially because most of us do not get enough, hay and grass is fiber, so horses already get plenty. Psyllium is still recommended frequently, though, mostly for lack of something better. The BEST treatment (and preventative) is to have the horses eat somewhere other than on a sand surface. If you can stop sand from going in, the sand that's already in there will slowly work its way out. The feeder that Misha mentioned sounds like a good idea, as does feeding hay right on rubber mats like Marsha Jo says she does. Also consider making a "corner feeder" in a stall, and feed hay in there. (Nail plywood or boards across one corner of the stall making a triangular-shaped area to feed hay. Make it approx. 2-1/2 feet high and much of the hay stays in there.) Sue was right when she said "As I understand while ingesting dirt can be a problem, it is not as heavy as sand which can sit in the bottom of the stomach, it flushes out of the system easier." To know whether the surface your horses are eating from is likely to pose a problem or not, put a handful of it in a quart of water, mix it up as thoroughly as you can, and watch how fast and how completely it settles. (Do the same thing with sand if you want something to compare to). If it settles quickly and the water clears quickly (like sand), watch out! If the water stays muddy for a long time, and the material settles out slowly (like clay), you probably don't have much to worry about. If the result is somewhere in between, and you don't know what to think, use the following as guides: -If your horses have been there for several years and you've had no problems, you probably won't. -If you and your horses are new in the area, ask other horse owners if they've had problems. And ask the vet how often he/she sees sand problems. If rare or never, don't worry. If sometimes or often, take steps to reduce sand intake. Other warning signs for sand: -Occasional, mild colic that often resolves spontaneously or with minimal treatment by the vet. -Incisor teeth that wear faster than your veterinarian thinks they should be based on the horses' ages. Brian Jacobsen, DVM Norwegian Fjordhest Ranch Salisbury, North Carolina
Re: babies/germs/fjords
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It was asked what I thought about the above subject. I think it is great that most people realize that to try to be too sanitary is actually unhealthy. One caution I would give, though, is in the area of manure (from any animal). Manure from things other than people is less dangerous to people than is human waste, but animals' manure can still be dangerous in certain situations. Healthy adults and children usually would not have much to fear from manure as long as they wash their hands after handling it. Infants, elderly, and the immune compromised, though, should avoid contact with manure altogether. The greatest risk from equine manure would be Salmonella and E. coli. Both can cause severe illness or death in people (though it's rare). Most horses do not go around shedding Salmonella or the dangerous variety of E. coli, but some do. Other things to watch out for in animal manure: -Calves can shed Cryptosporidium which can cause severe diarrhea in any person - even healthy adults. Wash hands thoroughly after handling calves, especially if contact with manure was made. -Cats can have Toxoplasmosis which can infect a pregnant woman and cause serious problems in the fetus. Don't get rid of the cat; Just make the husband clean the litter box. -Puppy poop may contain worm eggs that can infect children and cause problems. (The particular worms are more likely found in puppies than adult dogs). Also keep puppies from licking children's faces because the puppy may have just licked his, well, you know... the place worm eggs come out. : 0 So in general, love the animals and play in the dirt, but wash your hands after handling manure, and keep infants, elderly, and immune compromised away from it all together. Brian Jacobsen, DVM Norwegian Fjordhest Ranch Salisbury, North Carolina
Re: kissing horses
This message is from: "Nathan Lapp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ><< Pat, I do not think anyone thinks ill of you for not kissing your horses. I'll speak up now, because it looks like Pat needs an ally :-) I don't kiss horses, nor do I let dogs lick my face. I was brought up in the old school, I guess, where animal affection and people affection are each their own thing. My cows, dogs, and horses get TLC big time, and in return they offer a special solace from the demands of people love--which I also wouldn't want to do without. It's just different. Barbara Lyn Lapp Lapp Family Fjords
Re: When Magic Happens!
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] What a wonderful story! You will never know how many people you have helped, first with courage and self esteem, and physically, by donating this sweet horse to this man. As a mother of a disabled child, I will send some prayers in your name that you and your fjords will be blessed. Does Michael have an email address? It would be great if he could join this list, as a new owner of a fjord. He'd have some special imput to this group, I'm certain. Pamela
Re: When Magic Happens!
This message is from: Joanna Crell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> God bless you Richard and Susan , for doing something so wonderful not only once but again. In sending Sean out into the world with a brave, bold partner, you are inspiring children and adults to reach for their dreams. You have given the gift of empowerment. The spirits that our beloved fjords embody are friendship and freedom. We send you peace and healing energy. The Folger family === Joanna Crell - David Folger Willowind Therapeutic Horseback Riding Center Phone & FAX (207) 288-9506
Broke-to-death gelding for sale
This message is from: Paula Steinmetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This guy will make someone a wonderful Xmas present!! 14h coming 8 year old Red Dun gelding for sale. He rides, drives, parades and jumps (to 2'9"). Trained in classical dressage, his canter leads and lateral work are confirmed. He has been shown at Training Level and is currently working through first and second level movements - his walk is a "10." A wonderful, confident trail horse; he's about as bombproof as they get! Superb ground manners and absolutely sound. Only clearing room for breeding stock puts this guy on the market - he's a sweetie! He "works" parttime in a therapeutic riding program, but he's rather be someone's fulltime companion horse. Contact me privately for pictures and more info. Paula Steinmetz (262) 251-5727 (evenings) (414) 778-6000 (days)
Re: first hair cut
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Carol, What I got a kick out of (figuratively speaking)is that evidently your Bergen stood patiently while you and your husband discussed your differences for two hours while clipping her mane. By the way I have never seen a perfectly balanced one. Mane or marriage! Nancy Lehnert is rumored to have a method of bending the mane over and running the clippers over the far side Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
When Magic Happens!
This message is from: "SUSAN L GIARGIARI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This a story about Sean "The Fjord of Fjords" : To start with, Sean was born to Felicity Farm in Peterborough, N.H. He is the son of LLA Hilmar and SF Sunday. Sunday is the pride of the farm. She will do any chore that is asked of her and loves people. We received a call from a woman who had seen the flyer about the Foal Raffle to help Ceacy at Penfrydd Farm with her vet bills from the botulism that she lost 5 of her beloved Fjords to. Anne made a donation and then couldn't wait to see if she won. She came to see our Fjords, saw Sean and now you can guess what happened next! Sean was sold to Anne Sullivan at a young age and was loved to death by her and Don, her husband. Ann spent so much time with him that Sean would do anything she asked of him in one or two trys, even the things that she was told it would be impossible to do. It was so great to see the love between them. Things went bad when a doctor told Ann that she should make plans for dying.The first thing done was a call to us with a story of hurt and fear about her beloved Sean, in a flash he was ours again;by her magnificent child she gave to me knowing how much I loved him.That should have been the end of this story but fate stepped in and took over. When all the Fjord people went to Equitana USA and were getting to do a workout; there was a man in the workout area. As I watched this person doing his riding I thought how simple he looked. Then and only then did I see that he had no bridle on the horse at almost the same time I also saw that he was tied to his horse by ropes. He sometimes uses two whips to quide his horse to where he wants him to go. He is paralyzed from the waist down from a auto accident at 15. His western saddle has a high back to keep his body upright in the saddle. First thought, he is nuts! Second, he is trying to kill himself, so in my own way I got him to come to the fence and talk for a short time. We set up a time to meet later that day. When the meeting time came, (you must know me to understand how I talk and what I say, never one to pull a punch,) I told Michael that his horse would make most people afraid of it because of its size and that I had the perfect horse that I would donate to him, if he would work at least some of the time with kids that could not use their legs. We talked a long time. He came over and looked our horses over, we made our deal and now Michael Richardson is the new owner of the perfect Fjord Sean. Michael has just gotten sponsored by Purina and has been doing clinics and maybe we will all get to see him in the Northeast someday! Michael teaches us and others that God's spirit can put us in a new world, ,that our horses are really magic, that if we put things together right, there is a reason to get up everyday. When I see a person in a Wheel chair I've often wondered, if given the chance, would they try to harness a horse by themself and go for a drive. After talking to Michael to see if he would do something like this, I asked everyone in a chair that came by our booth if they would if I told them they could, (lets say that more than a few looked up at me and replied," It's easy to say from there!"). So I said if he told you,you could, would you believe him? You had best believe the smiles came and the answer YES also came. I do believe that GOD is great and he takes you where you need to go, which brings me to thanking you all for your good wishes. Just think he put Sean, Don & Ann, then Micheal into my life just when I needed rest and piece in my life the most. Thank you all again and if anyone would like to help Michael know Fjords, they might send him free books or tapes on our fine horses. I lent him my copy of "How to Trim the Mane" as he was wanting to make sure Sean will be a good representative of the breed in public. Michael will use Sean and when the little people or big people in those chairs see the perfect heart on the end of his nose and his eye shadow, see the depth of this horse in his eyes, they'll be in love and there will be no fear to let the healing begin. Love and Thanks! Richard Giargiari
Re: stallion for sale
This message is from: "Anna Rousseau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi: For all of you that had expressed interested in my Fjord stallion, please eamil me back. I have new pisc of him now. I lost most of your addresses though. Thanks. He is a grey dun, by Leik out of Hilda. THe riding, not draft type. VERY NICE MOVER> thanks Anna __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: kissing horses
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 12/6/99 13:57:11 Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Pat, I do not think anyone thinks ill of you for not kissing your horses. >> So very true. We all have so many different ways that we live our lives. And horse kissing isn't the most important aspect that we have in common or go different ways.Personally, I find most of the horses do enjoy exchanging breaths with me. Except Juniper when I just finish drinking coffee. She doesn't seem to like the smell of coffee! Go figure. She does put the top of her eye by my mouth, and I think she likes being kissed there, while having her ears touched. Her ears stay forward and her eye stays gentle. I've also noticed even the most solid, stodgy mare we've got responds well to just a whisper of a touch. If you put any more pressure on her than just barely touching, you have to literally put your weight into her to get her to back up, or move sideways. But just the slightest little brush, she responds.
Re: kissing horses
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mary, I see you just joined Pat!!! Now I would have figured you for a "closet" kisser but just shows how wrong a psychotherapist can be, Not good for my reputation!!!. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
Re: kissing horses
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I am really enjoying all of these men coming out about admitting they kiss their horses. Makes me feel warm toward the guys especially knowing the tender side of them Pat, I do not think anyone thinks ill of you for not kissing your horses. Only what they feel you are missing. But you sound like a no nonsense gal to me and business is business with a good heart thrown in. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
Kissing Horses
This message is from: "Frederick J. (Fred) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Boy, oh boy There is no way I can deny kissing my horses as a picture of me kissing one of my "women" is posted at: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/3158 click on the link to the pictures in the upper left corner of the page "Visit our Fjords".. I LOVE kissing girls, be they my beautiful child bride of 44 years, my horses, or my dogs. If I had a Fjord stallion, I might not admit it in public.but I'd kiss him too. I LOVE being kissed in return too. Fred Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, WA USA
Kissing
This message is from: Walter Monheim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Okay, since everyone else if fessing up and we're sitting here reading all this asking why not? Well we kiss all our Fjords all the time and how about those darling brand new babies, how can you resist kissing them. One nite I went into the barn last spring looking for our 22 year old son and found him sitting in a foaling stall on the floor with a three hour old baby cuddled in his lap sleeping and yes, he kissed him. I guess I would consider this one of life's simple pleasures. Sherle in Northern Wisconsin where its 47 degrees, sun shinning and still no snow! Won't be no sleigh rides at this rate.
Re: kissing horses
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 12/6/99 9:40:21 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Horses do not "pat" each other - they either lip stroke in friendship, >> This is a hard one for me after a lifetime of thunking on delighted dogs, to remember that horses don't really care for it. Eventually, it will become automatic but right now it's something I have to think about not doing. I can't say my horses enjoy being kissed, but they don't seem to mind it and they like attention. Mostly they need a sign "Will canter for food." Gail in NM
Re: Saga of the cart jumping Morgan
This message is from: Cynthia_Madden/OAA/UNO/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Catching up from weekend posts: >From Bill: Perhaps if someone else had been steading the horse, it would not have bolted? Response: That is only one of the many lessons I finally learned that day! And I think it was the main one! To Diane about cellphone: I do go out alone and I do carry a cellphone that is on my person not attached to my cart or saddle. The main time not to be alone is in a training situation especially when you introducing the horse to something new or if you are really a green horse person with a green horse. I do prefer company when riding or driving - just more fun but it hard to find people at 7 am in the morning during the summer when I try to condition my horse. I have learned to have help when I am training. RE: Kissing Well, I confess to being a horse and dog kisser! However, Tank is not the best to do this to - his nose is so gritty! I think it has something to do with his constant search for food. He is kind of like the Corgi - always with his nose to the ground snuffling for something to eat. Steve's Morgan, Pferd, has the best nose - we call it the velveteen nose! But he gets so insulted! Cynthia Madden email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Marvellous Website
This message is from: "David Stewart, Registrar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -Original Message- From: Starfire Farm, LLC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 06 December 1999 17:02 Subject: Website Just visited your website and thought I'd drop you a line to say that I really enjoyed looking at all those marvellous pictures - marvellous site. By the way, your stallion deserves a mention as he is rather special! Good wishes, David Stewart Fjord Horse Registry of Scotland >This message is from: "Starfire Farm, LLC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >We have finally updated our website, for anyone interested. New photos >from the Libby show! A lot of photos of us (courtesy of Carol >Rivoire thanks, Carol) of course, but not all! Stop by and have >fun. ;-) > >Thanks for the discussion about psyllium. I've been thinking about >using it for some of our kids, but hadn't gotten around to purchasing >any yet. We try to keep their food either on rubber mats, in feed tubs >or hay racks, but you know how that goes! > >Time to get out, on this gorgeous day, and work horses! > >Beth > >-- >Beth Beymer & Sandy North >Starfire Farm, Berthoud CO >www.starfirefarm.com > >
Re: D-rings
This message is from: "linda hickam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Merideth...I have a"Corebette"{sp?}made by Crosby{all purpose saddle}
that's about 100 years old and it's so comfy.Anyway I too was a bit miffed
with only 1 D ring.The saddle maker I went to showed me how it could be
done.It would have torn up my old saddleplus it would not be very
strong
I still haven't figured out a way to carry suff on my saddle,but I'll take
my English saddle over
a Western one any day!a saddle soul-mateLinda
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>From: "Meredith Sessoms" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: D-rings
>Date: Mon, Dec 6, 1999, 9:10 AM
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>This message is from: "Meredith Sessoms" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Karen wrote ...
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its a dorky old foxhunting custom,( and it is still judged like that in a
>Hunting appointments class), that you carry your sandwich case there, off of
>those D rings. Glad I never had to rely on what was inside the sandwich
>case - too meagre a lunch for moi.
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>Can't belive they havn't changed this over to something more modern and
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>So, does this mean I will be forced to ride Western (team penning and
>communuty trail rides) although my interests lie with dressage and
>competitive riding ... just so that I can ride with a pack with coke, fruit
>and sandwiches, maybe a blanket to sit on and a camera. Is this why so many
>ladies riding Engish are approximately the size of toothpicks ... 'cause
>they can't take enough food with them on a day out riding?;-)
>I thought I was finally going to get a used dressage or all-purpose saddle,
>now I have to re-think my stratagy.
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>Can a saddle repair shop put d-rings on both sides ... or would the cost be
>prohibitive? I'd love to find something like a used Kieffer Lech Pro with
>some serious thigh blocks for emergency use. Does anyone else use dressage
>thigh blocks, like a Western saddle, on the trail? Do they work or are you
>held in position too severely for comfort?
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Re: Kissing Horses
This message is from: Mike May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 10:56 AM 12/6/99 -0500, you wrote: There, I've done it, I'm officially "out" as a horse-kisser. What a relief! OK, you other men, any body else willing to step up to the plate? I have a sneaking suspicion that Dave McWethy may also have "done it". What do you say Dave? Alright I will come out too. I have done it once or twice myself. How can you help it when they are as cute as they are? Mike
Website
This message is from: "Starfire Farm, LLC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> We have finally updated our website, for anyone interested. New photos from the Libby show! A lot of photos of us (courtesy of Carol Rivoire thanks, Carol) of course, but not all! Stop by and have fun. ;-) Thanks for the discussion about psyllium. I've been thinking about using it for some of our kids, but hadn't gotten around to purchasing any yet. We try to keep their food either on rubber mats, in feed tubs or hay racks, but you know how that goes! Time to get out, on this gorgeous day, and work horses! Beth -- Beth Beymer & Sandy North Starfire Farm, Berthoud CO www.starfirefarm.com
Re: D-rings
This message is from: "Starfire Farm, LLC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Meredith Sessoms wrote: > I thought I was finally going to get a used dressage or all-purpose saddle, > now I have to re-think my stratagy. We often trail ride in our dressage saddles (often surprising those DQ's out there staying skinny by hiking, instead of riding their horses on the trails!) Anyway, we like to take lots of stuff (mostly food) with us, so use those BIG nylon saddle bags designed to be attached to western saddles. We put the saddle blanket on the horse, then the saddle bags over their backs, behind the saddle, then the saddle on top. Then we attach the bags to the saddle billets with nylon straps or string. If I am concerned about pressure from extra weight, I use a condensed foam pad between the saddle pad and the saddle blanket. You just have to be careful about balancing the load. We have gone trail riding like this for several years, and have never had a problem (and have never gone hungry!) Gotta get out on the trails! Beth -- Beth Beymer & Sandy North Starfire Farm, Berthoud CO www.starfirefarm.com
kissing horses
This message is from: Mary Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> After having followed, more or less, the discussion on whether or not people kiss their horses, I must add that I do not kiss my horses - not even my old mare. There are occasional hugs, especially when one has done well. Somewhere along the line I learned that most horses prefer to "exchange breath" rather than be kissed - ever see a kissed horse turn his ears back(not in anger, but seemingly in disgust)? Would YOU like it if some friend always insisted on kissing you profusely every time you saw them? Maybe your reaction would also be "get out of my face, please." We also give our horses a quick stroke with our hand - a la another horse's lip nuzzle - rather than a profuse pat as a reward. Sometimes it seems like people are "beating the horse to death" in their effort to praise him lavishly! Horses do not "pat" each other - they either lip stroke in friendship, or kick in anger or as warning. We also do NOT give treats from the hand. They are placed in the feed box with a stroke on the neck for extra praise. Our Fjords all like to lick hands, but it must be done "nicely" - ears up please! If the ears go back there are "bad thoughts" of biting in there and the hand is immediately withdrawn. If the ears go back up, the horse may lick the hand again briefly(actually I think they like the salty taste or have a "thing" for some brands of hand lotion). A couple of licks will do, thank you. The mares also like to nuzzle hair when you bend down to work on front legs/feet. Ok, so long as it remains gentle - no teeth in there. They do this to their foals often, so I think it is an expression of affection, mutual comfort, something along that line. Just remind them that humans DO NOT have thick coats, so teeth are out of the question. Just my 2 cents worth. Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com
Re: Kissing Horses
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, based on the responses received to the questions of kissing horses, I must conclude that kissing appears to be the norm, at least among the women out there. I believe NO guys actually responded affirmatively. Having acknowledged the norm, and agreeing with the value of not being to obsessive/compulsive about the cleanliness issue, germs are only one set of organisms that could be on the horses' muzzles. Can any of the vets tell us whether assorted other little beasties (e.g., liver flukes, round worms, tape worms, etc.) can infect humans? I must confess that inspite of the potential answer, and flying in the face of my native caution about such things, I recently succumbed to the desire to kiss my "boys" Mogan and Vidar, after they once again showed themselves (at Equine Affaire) to be the calm, willing and responsive pair that I have grown to love so much. Yes, I took the leap from my normal "blow into their nostrils" interaction to a full blown muzzle smooch. Norma was soo proud of me! [:o) There, I've done it, I'm officially "out" as a horse-kisser. What a relief! OK, you other men, any body else willing to step up to the plate? I have a sneaking suspicion that Dave McWethy may also have "done it". What do you say Dave? Bill
Re: trip to Vermont
This message is from: "Lindsay&Jim Sweeney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello from Tunbridge Vermont! Our farm is just twenty minutes from route 89, you would take exit 2 northbound. Am wondering if you might be planning to come to Tunbridge where the Organic Cow lives! It is an organic dairy that processess their own milk?! We would welcome a visit and our Fjords would love it! We currently have ten Fjords ranging in age from 6 months to 22 years, Solar, Hella, Sonora, Rjita Mae, Ljaela, Ljectra, Tjiva, Zjeena, Bravmann, and Ulstar, representing six different bloodlines! Would you be interested in stopping by? We have nothing for sale, but love to share our Fjords and meet other Fjord lovers and have them share their Fjords with us. You will, of course, be armed with photos and pedigrees and maybe even some video tape I imagine!! Let us know if you would like to include a visit to our farm on your journey to northern VT. We'll supply the carrots and the Fjording, you supply the hugs and kisses... Jim & Lindsay Sweeney [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- > From: Nathan Lapp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: trip to Vermont > Date: Saturday, December 04, 1999 3:22 AM > > This message is from: "Nathan Lapp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hi all, > > My sister Rachel and I are planning a trip to northern Vermont, about 650 > miles from where we live in Western New York. It's a multi-purpose trip with > stops planned at an organic dairy farm that processes milk on the premises, > a Nigerian Dwarf goat farm, and a prison in eastern New York. I'd like to > visit a Fjord farm or two while out there if our schedule allows. Anybody > care to let me know where you are? Our tentative route is 84 east into > Connecticut, then 91 north through Massachusettes and into Vermont. Mr. and > Mrs. Coli, how far off the route would you be? I'd like to see Ring. > > Thanks, > Barbara Lyn Lapp > Lapp Family Fjords
photo of saddle
This message is from: "Catherine Lassesen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> A photo can be found at www.richardshrake.com under the saddle section. It is the silver saddle with headstall and breast collar.
Wassil Parade
This message is from: Gregor Fellers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Is anyone in the North East going to the Woodstock Wassil Parade this Friday? We are taking two horses if the weather holds up. It is a spectacular Parade with dozens of equine entries. Is there a NEFA Christmas Party this year? Haven't heard a word. Carol Fellers
Re: D-rings
This message is from: "Meredith Sessoms" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Karen wrote ... >>>its a dorky old foxhunting custom,( and it is still judged like that in a Hunting appointments class), that you carry your sandwich case there, off of those D rings. Glad I never had to rely on what was inside the sandwich case - too meagre a lunch for moi. Can't belive they havn't changed this over to something more modern and useful!<<< So, does this mean I will be forced to ride Western (team penning and communuty trail rides) although my interests lie with dressage and competitive riding ... just so that I can ride with a pack with coke, fruit and sandwiches, maybe a blanket to sit on and a camera. Is this why so many ladies riding Engish are approximately the size of toothpicks ... 'cause they can't take enough food with them on a day out riding?;-) I thought I was finally going to get a used dressage or all-purpose saddle, now I have to re-think my stratagy. Can a saddle repair shop put d-rings on both sides ... or would the cost be prohibitive? I'd love to find something like a used Kieffer Lech Pro with some serious thigh blocks for emergency use. Does anyone else use dressage thigh blocks, like a Western saddle, on the trail? Do they work or are you held in position too severely for comfort? Meredith Sessoms (Muffed in Tennessee)
