RE: >< [flexcoders] Starting a Project Now! FLEX 1.5 or 2.0?

[Tony Pujals]

Regarding the comment on Flash penetration
below, I don’t know how representative this is of the entire browser
market, but my experience with getting users to upgrade has been positive to
date. The other day I was giving a demo and speaking to a person over the phone
who was prompted to update his flash player version; he immediately did so
without problem, restarted his browser and within a moment was ready to proceed
with the demo.

 

Personally, I’ve never seen a user
balk when the browser prompted him/her to upgrade Flash. It certainly isn’t
the same proposition that updating the Java plugin is. I can’t speak
officially, but I don’t see upgrading to Flash 8.5 being a reason to be
reluctant to exploit the new player and all that Flex 2.0 brings to the table.
I have an impression that quite a few users never upgrade Flash for the same
reason they don’t upgrade Acrobat reader. They simple haven’t been
prompted to do so for any of the content they have accessed, or didn’t
feel the content was compelling enough to tempt them.

 

I’m sure some people might be put
off by it, and I realize there are admins out there who actively prohibit ActiveX
(and upgrades), but if it really is a huge showstopper, I’d really like
to hear some evidence of that. It would be good to factor that into our
internal decision making processes, but for now I would say that from an
engineering and product management perspective, we’re not the only ones
eagerly awaiting the 8.5 release.

 

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Hello people,

Thanks for all the input on this topic. I am fine
with the Flash
Player 8.5 issue as I will be controlling access
to this first project
and can supply the users with the correct player.

The second project will not launch until the end
of the year at best.

Now as far as the "High" cost of
"FLEX". We are already a member of
the enterprise solutions and the development
program with Adobe and We
have already made the choice to partner with Adobe
on various other
software, So I do not think we should have a
problem with FES.

Although I would like to see a bundle created with
FES, Media Server2,
ColdFusion, and Breeze. LOL


Rich


--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Andriy Panas
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>
> Hello all,
> 
>   Besides required * HIGH*
licensing cost of Flex 1.5 software, which is
> immediately "no-win" option for
most of independent developers and small
> software companies, what do you think about
penetration rate speed in
> the nearest future of Flash 8.5 player?
> 
>   ARE you all OK with a fact that
your Flex 2 based web application
> launched in the summer 2006 will require from
almost 90%-95% of your
potentials visitors to upgrade to
> Flash 8.5 player prior to the launch of your
web application?
> 
> 
> 
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Re: >< [flexcoders] Starting a Project Now! FLEX 1.5 or 2.0?

[Richie Rich]

Hello people,

Thanks for all the input on this topic. I am fine with the Flash
Player 8.5 issue as I will be controlling access to this first project
and can supply the users with the correct player.

The second project will not launch until the end of the year at best.

Now as far as the "High" cost of "FLEX". We are already a member of
the enterprise solutions and the development program with Adobe and We
have already made the choice to partner with Adobe on various other
software, So I do not think we should have a problem with FES.

Although I would like to see a bundle created with FES, Media Server2,
ColdFusion, and Breeze. LOL


Rich


--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Andriy Panas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hello all,
> 
>   Besides required * HIGH* licensing cost of Flex 1.5 software, which is
> immediately "no-win" option for most of independent developers and small
> software companies, what do you think about penetration rate speed in
> the nearest future of Flash 8.5 player?
> 
>   ARE you all OK with a fact that your Flex 2 based web application
> launched in the summer 2006 will require from almost 90%-95% of your
potentials visitors to upgrade to
> Flash 8.5 player prior to the launch of your web application?
> 
> 
> 
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Re: >< [flexcoders] Starting a Project Now! FLEX 1.5 or 2.0?

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Migrating from Flex 1.5 to Flex 2.0  is big pain becuase things changed a lot around lot of things especially around the concept of cellRenderers and CellEditors. 
 
Apart from that I would consider these facts:
1. Flex 2.0 does not dependent on Flex server being available. You can use webservices deployed on the same same server without the FES (Flex Enterprise Services)
2. Some of the problems in Flex 1.5 were fixed.
3. Performance is much better in Flex 2.0
 
 
 
 
 
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RE: >< [flexcoders] Starting a Project Now! FLEX 1.5 or 2.0?

[Dimitrios Gianninas]

I'd go with Flex 2.0 if I were you.

Jimmy

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Hello,

I am starting a project that I would like to finish this summer. This 
is a prototype project, when finished will morph into a bigger project.

Would you start in FLEX 1.5 and port it over to 2.0 when it is 
released or would you use FLEX 2.0 and work through the work arounds 
and wait for features to mature?

Any thoughts or insight?

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Re: [flexcoders] Starting a Project Now! FLEX 1.5 or 2.0?

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geeze, I knew there was something wrong in that phrase... :POn 3/20/06, dos dedos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
.. reminds me of that part from "Office Space" when they discover they
have $325,000 in their bank account which was supposed to accrue over
several years from fractional pennies stolen from their ex employer
The funny part goes something like this:Michael: I must have missed a decimal point... I always forget some mundane thing!!!Peter: you call that mundane!
Michael Schmalle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
jeremy  wouldn't it be ' my .02 cents ' ;-)
On 3/19/06, jeremy lu <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 beta1 is pretty
 solid now, definitly should go with flex 2,  so you don't have to port it again 3 months later.  my .2 cents
On 3/19/06, Jason Hawryluk <
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I
am also in the same position. I started with Flex 1.5, and ever since
the Flex 2.0 alpha been in flex 2.0. There is no official
release date for it, but I don't think we'll regret thinking ahead.
It's also allot easier to use and get around in. There are quite a few
changes between AS2 and AS3   
IMO; Go  with Flex 2.0  
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If Iwas in your shoes (which I am actually) I would choose to go with Flex2.0Quick results are not as important when you're thinking long term... 
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Re: [flexcoders] Starting a Project Now! FLEX 1.5 or 2.0?

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Re: [flexcoders] Starting a Project Now! FLEX 1.5 or 2.0?

[Michael Schmalle]

jeremy

wouldn't it be ' my .02 cents ' ;-)On 3/19/06, jeremy lu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




beta1 is pretty solid now, definitly should go with flex 2, 
so you don't have to port it again 3 months later.

my .2 centsOn 3/19/06, Jason Hawryluk <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:








I am also in the same 
position. I started with Flex 1.5, and ever since the Flex 2.0 
alpha been in flex 2.0. There is no official release date for it, but I 
don't think we'll regret thinking ahead. It's also allot easier to use and get 
around in. There are quite a few changes between AS2 and AS3
 
IMO; Go 
with Flex 2.0
 

Jason

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  [flexcoders] Starting a Project Now! FLEX 1.5 or 2.0?If I 
  was in your shoes (which I am actually) I would choose to go with Flex 
  2.0Quick results are not as important when you're thinking long term 
  ... :)Richie Rich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote:
  Hello,I 
am starting a project that I would like to finish this summer. This is a 
prototype project, when finished will morph into a bigger 
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is released or would you use FLEX 2.0 and work through the work arounds 
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Re: [flexcoders] Starting a Project Now! FLEX 1.5 or 2.0?

[jeremy lu]

beta1 is pretty solid now, definitly should go with flex 2, 
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I am also in the same 
position. I started with Flex 1.5, and ever since the Flex 2.0 
alpha been in flex 2.0. There is no official release date for it, but I 
don't think we'll regret thinking ahead. It's also allot easier to use and get 
around in. There are quite a few changes between AS2 and AS3
 
IMO; Go 
with Flex 2.0
 
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  2.0Quick results are not as important when you're thinking long term 
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RE: [flexcoders] Starting a Project Now! FLEX 1.5 or 2.0?

[Jason Hawryluk]

I am also in the same 
position. I started with Flex 1.5, and ever since the Flex 2.0 
alpha been in flex 2.0. There is no official release date for it, but I 
don't think we'll regret thinking ahead. It’s also allot easier to use and get 
around in. There are quite a few changes between AS2 and AS3
 
IMO; Go 
with Flex 2.0
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  was in your shoes (which I am actually) I would choose to go with Flex 
  2.0Quick results are not as important when you're thinking long term 
  ... :)Richie Rich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote:
  Hello,I 
am starting a project that I would like to finish this summer. This is a 
prototype project, when finished will morph into a bigger 
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is released or would you use FLEX 2.0 and work through the work arounds 
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Re: [flexcoders] Starting a Project Now! FLEX 1.5 or 2.0?

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If I was in your shoes (which I am actually) I would choose to go with Flex 2.0Quick results are not as important when you're thinking long term ... :)Richie Rich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello,  I am starting a project that I would like to finish this summer. This  is a prototype project, when finished will morph into a bigger project.  Would you start in FLEX 1.5 and port it over to 2.0 when it is  released or would you use FLEX 2.0 and work through the work arounds  and wait for features to mature?  Any thoughts or insight?  Rich  
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