Re: FLUXLIST: Art and Economies

2000-05-17 Thread Terrence J Kosick

Terrence writes;

It's a game of time. Time is money and it takes time to make art.
Independence is bought with obscurity. Face it many artist's are made popular
by those who's interests are in trade. Some artits are good at making
themselves popular and available to those interests. Others trade time and
wait in little comfort.

Time and art can be sucked by independence. At some point you have to buy in.
The clock is ticking.

T.




George Free wrote:

 I contend that the most engaging art tends to be created when the
 artist is working as closely as possible to a subsistance level, that is,
 with a minimum of "imported" raw material as possible so that the need to
 "export" (and be controlled by the market) is minimalized.

 Wouldn't control by the market be minimized most often when the artist has
 an independent income?

 GF




Re: FLUXLIST: exclusive fluxlist izone defrost

2000-05-17 Thread Sol Nte

Hi Brad,

* Exclusive Fluxlist Screening *

  Watch my freezer defrost!

 http://bbrace.laughingsquid.net/defrost.mpeg 

Great stuff...if you want to make another movie (Defrost II) I've got the
props you need ;-)

cheers,

Sol.




Re: FLUXLIST: Art and Economies

2000-05-17 Thread narvis ...pez

At 09:54 pm -0700 16/5/00, Patricia wrote:
So, sometimes I
DO need to buy materials.

Best,
PK

sometimes i agree with buy materials too

regards

...pez





FLUXLIST: FLUXSTAMP Project

2000-05-17 Thread Patricia

Hi All,

I (think) all the fluxstamps are up on the slightly pokey
geocities website, in no particular order.  By the end of the
month I will have them placed, gridded, printed and perforated.

http://www.geocities.com/pk_harris/

I've copied this email to some of the many artists and artfans
that might be interested in viewing these artists' stamps that
have come from all over the globe, and,  hey,  out there, print
them up, paste them on your envelopes or whatever else you fancy,
with other arty bits - voila, mail art!

For you Fluxus folks that submitted work, let me know if I left
anyone out, if anything needs to be changed, if those whom I
designed for do not approve of the fonts, colours *sniff* or
whatever - email me your thoughts or wishes.

Your pard in philately,
PK




Re: FLUXLIST: exclusive fluxlist izone defrost

2000-05-17 Thread Patricia

Brad,

Very cool!!!

I loved this, especially watching it download (65% defrost completed).  If
you travel and this is a series, mine would be a real "blockbuster."  *grin*
May I suggest a movie using the Sol Nte knife technique?  I plan on doing
this myself...wellsoon.

Best,
PK

Sol Nte wrote:

 Hi Brad,

 * Exclusive Fluxlist Screening *

   Watch my freezer defrost!

  http://bbrace.laughingsquid.net/defrost.mpeg 

 Great stuff...if you want to make another movie (Defrost II) I've got the
 props you need ;-)

 cheers,

 Sol.




Re: FLUXLIST: Art and Economies

2000-05-17 Thread Terrence J Kosick

Terrence writes;

Being resourceful is part of the fun. I did a series of large paintings
using iron grindings from a nearby brake shop. I used some pickling
vinegar to produce a precipitate of iron which imparted rich brown
orange hues to the canvas. I used acrylic washes afterwards and later
still additions of oil paint colors when i could afford it. I worked in
an old double garage with salvaged building studs as stretcher frames.
Since i worked in an over grown garden my work reflected its growing
nature in moth process and form. The images were of roots and branches.
I later added a few fish and a few slugs added trials to the surfaces
which i traced. I did over 30 paintings this way. I still reflect my
immediate environment and places i visit. I use bits and pieces of
whatever things and ideas i come across. I still belive in utility such
as utilities of work for pleasure. It is a matter of what you apply it
to. If it comes to food rent or paint some artists choose paint, some
food, a cheap apartment and rust or whatever.


T.
artnatural






"narvis  ...pez" wrote:

 At 09:54 pm -0700 16/5/00, Patricia wrote:
 So, sometimes I
 DO need to buy materials.
 
 Best,
 PK

 sometimes i agree with buy materials too

 regards

 ...pez




Re: FLUXLIST: Imagine

2000-05-17 Thread BestPoet

In a message dated 05/17/2000 12:43:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Perhaps they were 
 precocious city kids, these particular kids, or maybe as I fear and 
 as the look attested to, they were normal, basic kids with a high 
 level of cynicism and an abnormally low level of idealism. 

The majority of young males who were my students in the South Bronx said they 
didn't expect to live beyond 21. Now that's sad. They sussed out that society 
had no slots for them and wasn't interested in their lives, except to keep 
them in check.



FLUXLIST: Fridge Day

2000-05-17 Thread Patricia

According to my inbox, today is Fluxus Fridge Day.

Eschew trepidation!!!  Watch the video, open that door and do something
significant  And let everybody know.  Exclamation point.

Your pard in frost,
Prrtisha

Patricia wrote:

 Brad,

 Very cool!!!

 I loved this, especially watching it download (65% defrost completed).  If
 you travel and this is a series, mine would be a real "blockbuster."  *grin*
 May I suggest a movie using the Sol Nte knife technique?  I plan on doing
 this myself...wellsoon.

 Best,
 PK

 Sol Nte wrote:

  Hi Brad,
 
  * Exclusive Fluxlist Screening *
 
Watch my freezer defrost!
 
   http://bbrace.laughingsquid.net/defrost.mpeg 
 
  Great stuff...if you want to make another movie (Defrost II) I've got the
  props you need ;-)
 
  cheers,
 
  Sol.




FLUXLIST: Promo/Used CD question

2000-05-17 Thread Alex Cook

With all the strong opinions being bandied about artist profits and so 
forth, is there anyone here who doesn't buy used CD's, especially ones that 
are labeled as promo cd's not for sale. I had never really thought about it 
before until I picked up a used Vic Chesnutt CD yesterday, trading in some 
stuff, most of which was also bought used. I mean, neither Vic Chesnutt nor 
Capitol records are seeing any profits from this transaction. The CD was a 
radio station promo, stamped that it is not for sale and can be recalled by 
the record company at any time, they didn't even see a profit from it being 
sold the first time around.

The practice of reselling promo CD's is blatantly illegal, but in the US 
anyway, the Used CD business is huge and expanding.

I remember Garth Brooks tried unsuccessfully to block stores from selling 
used copies of his CD's, using similar arguments as presented in the MP3 
debates.

So is there anyone here who refuses to buy used CD's? Myke?

Curious,
Alex


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FLUXLIST: Forbidden Imagination

2000-05-17 Thread Rod Stasick

^!^!^!^!^!^"You say, 'insufferable' and I say,
'incorrigible' - LeT'S cAlL tHe WhOlE tHiNg OfF."^!^!^!^!^
de da dee, da deee da de da dee...

apishlYours...

r~


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Re: FLUXLIST: Spite

2000-05-17 Thread BestPoet

Personally, I believe some of the best art gets done in spite of 
circumstances, not necessarily because of circumstances. And I think that 
it's often more interesting to see art that had to claw it's way into 
existence, instead of art that was coddled and nursed by nannies. 

It always sounds a little weird to me to hear artists say, "I'm trying to 
come up with a proposal for such and such a grant" or "I've got a show next 
March and I'm trying to come up with an idea for it." It's sort of like "art 
on demand" or maybe it should be called "demand on art" (doa).

Of course, this is probably me being too idealistic about art and creation, 
and what "should" be the motivating impulses, which is ludicrous to even 
think about. Can't "should" on art. In the end, there's no real accounting 
for where "the best" and "the worst" come from. Everytime I draw a line in 
the sand, a wind storm comes up.

Barg



Re: FLUXLIST: Promo/Used CD question

2000-05-17 Thread ddyment

good point alex. columbia house and other record clubs are another addition.
the reason they can sell cheaply to you is that the artist receives no
royalty whatsoever. (that and selling your address to other companies).

yours,

dave

ps. just saw vic c last night with kristin h. great show. does your radio
promo have bonus tracks?



With all the strong opinions being bandied about artist profits and so
forth, is there anyone here who doesn't buy used CD's, especially ones that
are labeled as promo cd's not for sale. I had never really thought about it
before until I picked up a used Vic Chesnutt CD yesterday, trading in some
stuff, most of which was also bought used. I mean, neither Vic Chesnutt nor
Capitol records are seeing any profits from this transaction. The CD was a
radio station promo, stamped that it is not for sale and can be recalled by
the record company at any time, they didn't even see a profit from it being
sold the first time around.





Re: FLUXLIST: FLUXSTAMP Project

2000-05-17 Thread allen bukoff

Cool project, Patricia.  Thanks for doing this.

Correction:  the FLUXUS WORKER image is from eryk salvaggio and not allen 
bukoff


Hi All,

I (think) all the fluxstamps are up on the slightly pokey
geocities website, in no particular order.  By the end of the
month I will have them placed, gridded, printed and perforated.

http://www.geocities.com/pk_harris/




FLUXLIST: [Fwd: autoparts launch]

2000-05-17 Thread Chris Paul

See below. IDEA's "before" show in our new building - due
to open as art-media-IT incubator workspace, Spring 2000.

There is also a performance - Autoconversion :

"A family car transformed into a series of audio CDs by
power tools. A durational performance. Spencer HW Marsden 
with Municipal Constructions."

That's 29 May 00, 12 noon to 7 pm.

There is webstuff at http://www.idea.org.uk/autoparts

 Original Message 
Subject: autoparts launch
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 21:22:27 +0100
From: "Jen" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

INVITATION TO PRIVATE VIEW OF 


*  AUTOPARTS  *

TEN NEW WORKS FOR AN OLD BUILDING

on Saturday 20th May - Beer and Jam from 6pm - 9pm


May 20th - July 7th 2000
Thursday - Saturday 12 - 6pm
10 Irwell Street (At Chapel Street and Trinity Way), Salford

Jenna Collins  Chara Lewis  Greg Lock  David MacKintosh  Jim Medway  
Spencer HW Marsden with Municipal Constructions  Kristin Mojsiewicz  
Graham Parker  Gary Peploe  Anneke Pettican   Marc Provins  Andrew Robinson

Ten temporary interfaces to a building and an area which has a history of
build and re-build, use, disuse and re-use, of shifting populations and
changing fortunes. 

Idea has recently bought the old Brown Bothers Building in Salford which
will be renovated in the early months of the year 2000. IDEA is adapting the
building for more flexible use in training and by new businesses and artists
whose working practice and physical needs are changing radically due to the
use of new creative technologies. The building was originally built in 1878
as a brewery by Watson  Woodhead brewers. In 1927 the building became
Mackie  Sons Fruit Preservers until 1955. In 1957 Brown Brothers auto parts
moved in and stayed until 1986. 

Idea has commissioned 12 artists to make 10 new works for the old Brown
Brothers Building with a particular focus on site-specific work which
reflects an interest in transitional spaces and technologies.





Re: FLUXLIST: Vic Chesnutt and the vast music industry shadow govt conspiracy

2000-05-17 Thread Alex Cook


ps. just saw vic c last night with kristin h. great show. does your radio
promo have bonus tracks?

I bet that was a good show. The CD I picked up is "About to Choke" and it 
has the same track listing as what is shown on CDNow. Is "The Salesman and 
Bernadette" any good?

Speaking of CDNow, and the subject that brung us here, from what I 
understand CDNow was selling CD's at a loss just to build up a customer 
database to sell off, a business model which apparently has failed in their 
case.

I used to work for a major national ISP/portal service, and its scary how 
much info is gathered and sold off. The newer version of this service has an 
address window built into the shell it puts on your browser that tracks the 
URLS you type in and captures all that in a database somewhere, presumably 
to sell. It didn't capture hyperlinks you clicked on, but just URL's you 
typed in.

But then this whole internet thing rests on a structure built by the defnse 
department, so its a safe bet that its being recorded anyway.

Did you hear a clicking noise?
Alex









 With all the strong opinions being bandied about artist profits and so
 forth, is there anyone here who doesn't buy used CD's, especially ones 
that
 are labeled as promo cd's not for sale. I had never really thought about 
it
 before until I picked up a used Vic Chesnutt CD yesterday, trading in 
some
 stuff, most of which was also bought used. I mean, neither Vic Chesnutt 
nor
 Capitol records are seeing any profits from this transaction. The CD was 
a
 radio station promo, stamped that it is not for sale and can be recalled 
by
 the record company at any time, they didn't even see a profit from it 
being
 sold the first time around.
 



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Re: FLUXLIST: FLUXSTAMP Project

2000-05-17 Thread Sol Nte

Hi all,

I've just asked Patricia to remove the images currently under my name in
this project as when I now see them on the screen I feel that they look
awful. So please disregard what's there now.Thanks. I have sent
replacements.

It occurs to me that many of you may in the future or already have felt that
way about work you have sent me to display on the web. If you're ever
unhappy with anything of yours that I display..like at the i-zone gallery
etc. please do let me know..there is nothing worse than seeing a work of
yours on public display which you're not 100 % happy with.

Anyway I'd like to publicly thank Patricia for doing this project and
putting up with my fuss.

cheers,

Sol




FLUXLIST: Nixon's Hund Damenspiel

2000-05-17 Thread Rod Stasick



  Well, I gave as much of a
description as possible without a detail that would scramble
the brain mappings at the end of the "English Version". 
I'm trying to find the time to do a
"Dutch Version" (it'll use the same process, numbers, etc.) 


   Also
(Heiko can correct me on this), "nächtigt" refers to
"spending/passing the night" and the line of "ein" and
"kein" may be read as "one?...no?...one?" or as
"some?...none?...some?" 

Thank
you for looking with saucer eyes 
R   
--- Patricia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Clock outlaws! Yes! Trembled - eight in Vienna (naechtigt)
 consider
 
   witch... ran in - ein?... kein?...? SHARK!
 (an ex -)
 [ line 5? ]
 
 hahahahaha, The Alta Vista translation.  I rather like it.
  Might
 be interesting to run this back and forth through
 different
 translators in different languages and see what happens.
 
 Just what exactly were you doing here, Mr. Stasick, you
 wordpoetwhiz?  I'm curious - probably not the only one.
 
 Clock outlaws!!!
 PK
 
 Rod Stasick wrote:
 
  Takt ächte!
  Ja!
  Bebte - achtein Wien
  (nächtigt)
  Beachte Hexe...einlief - ein?...kein?...ein?
  HAI! (ein ex-) [leine 5?]
 
 


 
  (Process used is the same as the "English Version" -
 using
  the same numbers etc.)
 
  Rod
 
 
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Re: FLUXLIST: Art and Economies

2000-05-17 Thread Lord Hasenpfeffer

 it's the artist who has the satisfaction in the process
 and the completion.  After that, the viewer can make of it anything the viewer
 wishes.

Yeah, like illegal MP3s to be distributed behind the artists' backs via the web.

Myke



FLUXLIST: ANNALEE NEWMAN, 1909-2000

2000-05-17 Thread Rod Stasick

 ANNALEE NEWMAN, 1909-2000
 
 Annalee Newman, 91, widow of Abstract Expressionist
 painter Barnett Newman
 who established the Barnett Newman Foundation after his
 death, died at home
 in New York on May 10
 
 
 


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Re: FLUXLIST: Imagine

2000-05-17 Thread Lord Hasenpfeffer

 I believe 
 John Lennon was less an hypocrite and more a dreamer and I don't 
 think that's all so bad.

It's not bad at all to be a dreamer, however, if you go through life
formulating opinions about how you think the world should be and you
write globally popular hit songs based upon your opinions then I believe
you should also be the first in line to demonstrate your beliefs and
to live your life practicing what you preach.  John apparently did
forego adherence to any one particular religion (not including
secular humanism) but I can't recall anything about him giving
up his possessions while being quick to suggest that others give
up theirs for the betterment of humanity.

Myke



FLUXLIST: Re: [Fwd: autoparts launch]

2000-05-17 Thread Chris Paul

Sorry, should have been Spring 2001. Life's a blur.

Chris Paul wrote:
 
 See below. IDEA's "before" show in our new building - due
 to open as art-media-IT incubator workspace, Spring 2000.
 

-- 
Chris Paul - IDEA   @   @
Innovation in  Digital and Electronic Arts   \ /
Grosvenor Building, Manchester, M15 6BR   @ - @ - @ 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   / \
0161 273 4414 fax 0161 273 4432 @   @
http://www.idea.org.uk/go  A Catalyst For Art and Ideas
http://www.idea.org.uk/archive
http://www.idea.org.uk/cinemaconcret



Re: FLUXLIST: Promo/Used CD question

2000-05-17 Thread Don Boyd

I own two CD,s Mozart and Beethoven.   -Don




Re: FLUXLIST: Promo/Used CD question

2000-05-17 Thread Lord Hasenpfeffer

 So is there anyone here who refuses to buy used CD's? Myke?

I own nearly 1,700 CDs and a great many of them were purchased used.
Used CDs do not rob artists.  One CD is expected to sell one time.
Whatever happens to it after that is irrelevant.

As for promo CDs, I have maybe 1 or 2.  I don't particularly like
the gold stamp on the cover of the booklet that obscures the graphics.
Promos by definition are not expected to garner a profit for the artist
by direct acquisition.  If a radio station chooses to sell a promo CD
illegally then they are the ones ripping off the artist(s) in question
by doing so.  Once that CD ends up in a used CD shoppe it becomes a
product just like any other as far as that record shoppe and its
customers are concerned.  If I buy a promo I have no guilt, however,
I am troubled that radio stations and DJs could be so immoral.

I am also troubled by the wanton disregard for artists exhibited by
illegal, independent, internet MP3 "distributors" and at this time see
that the only way I can protect my works from being abused by these
same people behind my back is by not allowing the works to be made
available at all to the general public.  This is not what I would
prefer but I believe there is a certain degree of integrity associated
with my recordings and if locking them away is what is required to
preserve that then so be it.

Myke



FLUXLIST: STAMPS!

2000-05-17 Thread Rod Stasick

Thank you, thank you, thank you. 

It looks loverly.

I'm glad you added an amount. If it's no trouble, could it
be changed to "21" (for her age) - I swear, I'll stop
bugging you about this and ACTUALLY LEARN how to do it.

Thanks again,

ME!

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and 2 Blotzman (sic) and Brotzmann's records stand up very well among those 
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Re: FLUXLIST: mp3s

2000-05-17 Thread Rafe127


The art and business of music is changing.
May as well change with it...
That is, eschew stasis.
Check out: 
http://www.sfbg.com/AandE/34/32/boring.html



Re: FLUXLIST: Imagine

2000-05-17 Thread Kathy Forer

I can't recall anything about him giving
up his possessions while being quick to suggest that others give
up theirs for the betterment of humanity.

Creating a message and an ideology are different things, which is why 
idealism exists -- to hoist a message high. However, years of 
uninspired idealism, repeated from others, may attach the label 
"(silk stocking, limousine, phony, bleeding heart) liberal" to a well 
meaning follower.

John Lennon wasn't revolutionary or realist in this song; he never 
told anyone to do anything, never promulgated any theories of 
cooperative socialism. He imagined a world with a simple premise and 
asked others to share his vision. In that way can people and systems 
change, albeit slowly, sometimes more deeply, in more lasting ways.

Many people have problems with idealism itself
3. (Philos.) The system or theory that denies the existence
of material bodies, and teaches that we have no rational
grounds to believe in the reality of anything but ideas and
their relations.
from Oscar Wilde to an apparently prevalent materialism, dialectical 
materialism, naturalism or empiricism. This is definitely not the age 
of Don Quixote. And forgotten kids have nowhere at all to look but to 
things.

Kathy



Re: FLUXLIST: Art and Economies

2000-05-17 Thread Patricia

Correction:  I meant the subject, not the incorrigible author.  : )

Me

Patricia wrote:

 Another "in" word - intolerable:  not to be endured.

 arghh!!!

 Let's give the MP3 inquest a rest!!!

 Lord Hasenpfeffer wrote:

 
  Yeah, like illegal MP3s to be distributed behind the artists' backs via the web.
 
  Myke




Re: FLUXLIST: stamps

2000-05-17 Thread Roger Stevens

stamps lookngreat

congrats, pats

isthe numberingquiterightat
the bottomof

pageone?


mr radio





FLUXLIST: Derek's Big Website of Wal-mart Receipts

2000-05-17 Thread Alex Cook

this seems to have a touch of fluxus to it...I love this kind of stuff
-Alex

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Re: FLUXLIST: Art and Economies

2000-05-17 Thread Lord Hasenpfeffer

 I meant the subject, not the incorrigible author.  : )


: )

Myke



Re: FLUXLIST: Imagine

2000-05-17 Thread Lord Hasenpfeffer

Adam, you've made excellent points.

 I do not agree with the anarchist statement that "property is theft."

Wouldn't theft under anarchic conditions be OK anyway?

Myke



Re: FLUXLIST: Imagine

2000-05-17 Thread Kathy Forer

Lord Hasenpfeffer wrote:
All well and good, however, I've imagined a world with XYZ and it 
appeared to me to be quite void of purpose and motivation.

But did you write a song which inspired millions?



FLUXLIST: the last of the bombastic, egocentric Imagine posts (hopefully)

2000-05-17 Thread ddyment

yer majesty,

if you're troubled about djs and radio stations being so immoral, then don't
buy disks at used stores. sounds a little like the term you use to describe
lennon; H.Y.P.O.C.R.I.T.E.

yours,

dd

ps. lennon often changed the lyric of Imagine to "i wonder if WE can" when
performing the song live.

the conversation about mp3s always drifts to the subject of people stealing
your music. as far as i know, no one is interested in stealing your music.






Re: FLUXLIST: exclusive fluxlist izone defrost

2000-05-17 Thread { brad brace }

On Wed, 17 May 2000, Sol Nte wrote:

 * Exclusive Fluxlist Screening *
 
   Watch my freezer defrost!
 
  http://bbrace.laughingsquid.net/defrost.mpeg 
 
 Great stuff...if you want to make another movie (Defrost II) I've got the
 props you need ;-)


Sounds like I might need a long soundtrack for that one -- perhaps "Oh
Yo-ko..." 

And a little travel grant... :)

I liked how the shifting pixels seemed to "melt."


/:b







FLUXLIST: the creative act

2000-05-17 Thread narvis ...pez


"the creative act.

"let us consider two important factors, the two poles of the creation of
art: the artist on the one hand, and on the other the spectator who later
becomes the posterity.

"to all appearances, the artists acts like a mediumnistic being who, from
the labyrinth beyond time ans space, seeks his way out to a clearing. if we
give the attributes of a medium to the artist, we must then deny him the
state of conciousness on the aesthetic plane about what he is doing or why
he is doing it. all his decisions in the artistic execution of the work
rest with pure intuition and cannot be translated into a self-analysis,
spoken of written, or even thought out.

"t. s. eliot, in his essay on 'tradition and individual talent,' writes:
'the more perfect the artist, the more completely separate in him will be
the man who suffers and the mind which creates; the more perfectly will the
mind digest and transmute the passions wich are its material.'

"millions of artists create; only a few thousands are discussed or accepted
by the spectator and many less again are consacrated by posterity. in the
last analysis, the artist may shout  from all the rooftops that he is a
genius; he will have to wait for the veredict of the spectator in order
that his declarations take a social value and that, finally, posterity
includes him in the primers of art history.

"i know that this statement will not meet with the approval of many artists
who refuse the mediumistic role and insist on the validity of their
awareness in the creative act--yet, art history has consistently decided
upon the virtues of a work of art through considerations completely
divorced from the rationalized explanations of the artist.

"if the artist, as a human being, full of the best intentions towards
himself and the whole world, plays no role at all in the judgement of his
own work, how one can describe the phenomenon which prompts the spectator
to react critically to the work of art? in other words, how does this
reactions come about?

"this phenomenon is comparable to transference from the artist to the
spectator in the form of aesthetic osmosis taking place through the inner
matter, such as pigment, piano or marble.

"but before we go further, i want to clarify  our understanding of the word
'art,' to be sure, without any attempt at a definition. what i have in mind
is that art may be bad, good, or indifferent, but, whatever adjetive is
used, we must call it art, and bad art is still art in the same way as a
bad emotion is still an emotion.

"therefore, when i refer to 'art coefficient,' it will be understood that i
refer not only to great art, but i am trying to describe the subjective
mechanism which produces art in a raw state --a l'etat brut--bad, good or
indifferent.

"in the creative act, the artist goes from intention to realization,
through a chain of totally subjective reactions. his strugle toward the
realization is a series of efforts, pains, satisfactions, refusals,
decisions, which also cannot and must not be fully self-conscious, at least
on the aesthetic plane. the result of this struggle is a difference between
the intention and its realization, a difference which the artist is not
aware of.

"consequently, in the chain of reactions, accompanying the creative act, a
link is mising. this gap, representing the inability of the artist to
express fully his intention , this difference between what he intended to
realize and did realize, is the personal 'art coefficient' contained in the
work. in other words, the personal 'art coefficient' is like an
arithmetical relation between the unexpressed but intended and the
unintentional expressed.

"to avoid a misunderstanding, we must remember that this 'art coefficient'
is a personal expression of art al'etat brut, that is, still in a row
state, which must be 'refined,'   as pure sugar from molasses, by the
spectator; the digit is the coefficient has no bearing whatsoever on his
veredict. the creative act takes another aspect when the spectator
experiences the phenomenon of transmutation: through the change from inert
matter into a work of art, and actual transubstantiation has taken place,
and the role of the spectator, is to determine the weight of the work on
the aesthetic scale.

"all in all, the creative act is not performed by the artist alone; the
spectator brings the work in contact with the external world by deciphering
and interpreting its inner qualifications and thus adds his contribution to
he creative act.* this becomes even more obvious when posterity gives its
final veredict and sometimes rehabilites forgotten artists."

m.duchamp
april 1957

* "duchamp has emphasisez several times the role of the viewer, which he
epitomized in the formula 'the viewer are those who make the painting'
(bibl. 245, p. 143.) as kris points out , 'psychoanalytic investigation of
artistic creation has abundantly demonstrated the importance of the public
for the process of creation: wherever 

Re: FLUXLIST: exclusive fluxlist izone defrost

2000-05-17 Thread { brad brace }


It could be a global-warming flux-exhibit! Perhaps all you good
Flux-listers might contribute pictures of your own defrosting refrigerator
(if only in the interests of ecology); to be compiled into one
'blockbuster' movie.  Any format - I'll melt 'em all down! (I've got 40
Mb to burn on this new 'Eskimo' account ;)) small Jpeg attachments - 72
dpi please - are cool/preferred.

/:b



On Wed, 17 May 2000, Patricia wrote: 

 Brad,
 
 Very cool!!!
 
 I loved this, especially watching it download (65% defrost completed).  If
 you travel and this is a series, mine would be a real "blockbuster."  *grin*
 May I suggest a movie using the Sol Nte knife technique?  I plan on doing
 this myself...wellsoon.




Re: FLUXLIST: Promo/Used CD question

2000-05-17 Thread { brad brace }


I used to get free promo CDs at work. Well, it still happens a little... 
It was delightful: the CDs that no one else reviewed, wanted, or even
listened-to-once appeared in the company 'free-bin.' Inevitably they were
"just what I wanted:" usually avant-jazz/experimental. I have a great
collection (well over 1000) and now listen to stuff that I never would
have considered if I had to 'blindly' pay-for-it And I actually buy
CDs now, even though I think I'm paying too much to the wrong people. So
it's back to the MP3 issue ;) 

/:b



On Wed, 17 May 2000, Don Boyd wrote:

 I own two CD,s Mozart and Beethoven.   -Don
 
 




Re: FLUXLIST: Imagine

2000-05-17 Thread { brad brace }


I'd __**- * really like to hear Myke's Ymponies now! How 'bout it? :) A
little taste? Imagine.

/:b








Re: FLUXLIST: Imagine

2000-05-17 Thread Lord Hasenpfeffer

 But did you write a song which inspired millions?

I wrote an imaginary song which inspired imaginary millions, so...

Yes!!

Myke