Re: FrameMaker 12 released

[Jim Owens]

After years with the same company, I'm just starting to re-invent myself 
as a contractor.  So far no one has asked for work in FrameMaker.  If 
they did, I'd have to consider my options. A thousand bucks is a big outlay.


On the other hand, I'd probably want it for no more than a month or two, 
so locking in for a year doesn't look appealing either.  And the point 
about having something that is mine and just keeps working is 
well-taken. So I would seriously consider an outright buy, high price 
notwithstanding, over a rental for a much longer term than I'd need, 
only to lose the investment.  (Why rent when you can buy, right?)


But given a choice, I'd just use other tools (OK, not Word). The book 
model of help delivery seems to be on the wane, and DITA is maturing 
nicely. . .



On 2014-01-17 14:31, Mike Wickham wrote:
Syed, I think your math is right on. I can't understand why anyone 
would pay more for a subscription that will render their software 
useless the moment they stop paying. If they fall on hard times, the 
perpetual license lets them at least keep working with their software 
as long as they can keep a compatible operating system on an old 
computer.


If the issue is someone not being able to come up with the upgrade fee 
all at once, and a monthly payment sounds more attractive, then they 
should consider getting a short term bank loan (or put it on a credit 
card) and pay the bank an even smaller monthly payment to buy the 
perpetual license.


And here's another thing, if a company thinks a monthly subscription 
is a better to budget, they might also want to think about the resale 
value of their company, should they ever want to sell it. A perpetual 
license is an asset that can be resold and adds value to a company. A 
subscription is future liability that reduces its value. If, as an 
individual, they ever want to stop using FrameMaker, they can resell 
their personal perpetual license and get some of their money back. Not 
so with a subscription.


I used to buy every upgrade of Creative Suite until it switched to the 
Creative Cloud model. Now, CS6 is my last purchase in that line. I 
won't pay big money for software that turns off completely if I stop 
paying. I've also bought every FM upgrade since version 6, except for 
v10, which offered no features that I needed. I will be buying the FM 
12 upgrade for sure. But I will be done buying if FM ever goes to the 
subscription-only model.


Those of you buying subscriptions are making it more and more likely 
that the rest of us will lose the perpetual upgrade option in the near 
future. If you look at how hard Adobe is trying to get people to buy 
subscriptions, you will see that it is their desire to move FrameMaker 
to that model. Let's not let them take away our choices.


Mike

On 1/17/2014 9:22 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) wrote:
Using an 18 month model, the software subscription for FrameMaker is: 
18 * 29.99, which is $539.82.


An upgrade is $399 for that same upgrade in that 18 month period, 
right? And then the license is perpetual (at least until Adobe 
abandons this model in the future entirely), so that version keep 
working once somebody stops upgrading (not so in the subscription 
case when cancelled).



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FrameMaker 12 released

[Jim Owens]

After years with the same company, I'm just starting to re-invent myself 
as a contractor.  So far no one has asked for work in FrameMaker.  If 
they did, I'd have to consider my options. A thousand bucks is a big outlay.

On the other hand, I'd probably want it for no more than a month or two, 
so locking in for a year doesn't look appealing either.  And the point 
about having something that is mine and just keeps working is 
well-taken. So I would seriously consider an outright buy, high price 
notwithstanding, over a rental for a much longer term than I'd need, 
only to lose the investment.  (Why rent when you can buy, right?)

But given a choice, I'd just use other tools (OK, not Word). The book 
model of help delivery seems to be on the wane, and DITA is maturing 
nicely. . .


On 2014-01-17 14:31, Mike Wickham wrote:
> Syed, I think your math is right on. I can't understand why anyone 
> would pay more for a subscription that will render their software 
> useless the moment they stop paying. If they fall on hard times, the 
> perpetual license lets them at least keep working with their software 
> as long as they can keep a compatible operating system on an old 
> computer.
>
> If the issue is someone not being able to come up with the upgrade fee 
> all at once, and a monthly payment sounds more attractive, then they 
> should consider getting a short term bank loan (or put it on a credit 
> card) and pay the bank an even smaller monthly payment to buy the 
> perpetual license.
>
> And here's another thing, if a company thinks a monthly subscription 
> is a better to budget, they might also want to think about the resale 
> value of their company, should they ever want to sell it. A perpetual 
> license is an asset that can be resold and adds value to a company. A 
> subscription is future liability that reduces its value. If, as an 
> individual, they ever want to stop using FrameMaker, they can resell 
> their personal perpetual license and get some of their money back. Not 
> so with a subscription.
>
> I used to buy every upgrade of Creative Suite until it switched to the 
> Creative Cloud model. Now, CS6 is my last purchase in that line. I 
> won't pay big money for software that turns off completely if I stop 
> paying. I've also bought every FM upgrade since version 6, except for 
> v10, which offered no features that I needed. I will be buying the FM 
> 12 upgrade for sure. But I will be done buying if FM ever goes to the 
> subscription-only model.
>
> Those of you buying subscriptions are making it more and more likely 
> that the rest of us will lose the perpetual upgrade option in the near 
> future. If you look at how hard Adobe is trying to get people to buy 
> subscriptions, you will see that it is their desire to move FrameMaker 
> to that model. Let's not let them take away our choices.
>
> Mike
>
> On 1/17/2014 9:22 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net) wrote:
>> Using an 18 month model, the software subscription for FrameMaker is: 
>> 18 * 29.99, which is $539.82.
>>
>> An upgrade is $399 for that same upgrade in that 18 month period, 
>> right? And then the license is perpetual (at least until Adobe 
>> abandons this model in the future entirely), so that version keep 
>> working once somebody stops upgrading (not so in the subscription 
>> case when cancelled).
>
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Re: Script to convert tables to paragraphs

[Jim Owens]

AutoIT is a powerful scripting language, and it comes with good 
documentation. It's intended to act as a surrogate for a human, by 
detecting screen or window activity and sending mouse or keyboard 
responses, but it's also very good for general-purpose programming.


It includes the ability to compile your AU3 program to EXE, so that you 
don't have to start up the scripting environment to run the script.


On 2013-11-26 08:10, Shmuel Wolfson wrote:
Attached is an AutoIt script for this. AutoIt is a free scripting 
language for Windows. It's very easy to write AutoIt scripts for easy 
things like typing shortcut keys. You have to download and install 
AutoIt in order to run this.


Below is the script as well, but it has to be in a text file with a 
.AU3 extension in order to run it. You can see how simple it is. And I 
added a lot of comments to make it easier to understand. If you need 
more info, let me know.


Maybe one day I will get into ExtendScript, but AutoIt is so much 
easier and more pleasant to use that it's worth considering.


Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
052-763-7133

; this script converts tables to text
; find the desired table once, before running the script

Opt(WinTitleMatchMode, 2) ; this sets the title match to be anywhere 
in the window title


Dim $max
Dim $x = 1

$max = InputBox(,How many tables?,10)
WinActivate(.fm) ; this activates the window that has .fm in the 
title bar (which may be hidden)

WinWaitActive(.fm)
While $x = $max
Send(^+f) ; presses CTRL+SHIFT+f to find next
Sleep(100) ; pause 100 milliseconds - you may need to increase 
this time if you have a slow computer

Send(!tvc) ; presses ALT+t,v,c to convert the table to text
Sleep(100) ; pause 100 milliseconds - you may need to increase 
this time if you have a slow computer

$x = $x + 1
WEnd

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On 26-Nov-13 12:35 PM, Yves Barbion wrote:

Hi group

I'm looking for a script which does the following:

1. Find tables with a specific table tag, for example graphic_table.
2. Convert those tables to paragraphs (row by row).

Anyone?

Thanks in advance

--
Yves Barbion
www.scripto.nu http://www.scripto.nu


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Re: Script to convert tables to paragraphs

[Jim Owens]

AutoIT is capable of opening documents, editing them, and closing them 
in FrameMaker (by pretending to be a user driving the menus).


On 2013-11-26 11:10, Rick Quatro wrote:


I agree with your assessment of AutoIT and add my endorsement. 
However, it works in kind of a playback mode where the interface 
steps get executed on the active document. This is good for one-off 
tasks where you want to mimic what happens in the interface. With 
ExtendScript/FrameScript, you work with commands that can not only 
work on the active document, but on invisible documents that the 
script opens, saves, and closes for you. This is advantageous if you 
have a task to perform on all of the document sin a book. I would 
consider AutoIT and FrameMaker scripting programs to be complementary.


Rick

Rick Quatro

Carmen Publishing Inc.

585-366-4017 **NEW**

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*From:*framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Shmuel 
Wolfson

*Sent:* Tuesday, November 26, 2013 10:10 AM
*To:* framers@lists.frameusers.com
*Subject:* Re: Script to convert tables to paragraphs

And the free editor that comes with it provides autocompletion and 
context-sensitive help.


Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
052-763-7133

On 26-Nov-13 4:27 PM, Jim Owens wrote:

AutoIT is a powerful scripting language, and it comes with good
documentation. It's intended to act as a surrogate for a human, by
detecting screen or window activity and sending mouse or keyboard
responses, but it's also very good for general-purpose programming.

It includes the ability to compile your AU3 program to EXE, so
that you don't have to start up the scripting environment to run
the script.

On 2013-11-26 08:10, Shmuel Wolfson wrote:

Attached is an AutoIt script for this. AutoIt is a free
scripting language for Windows. It's very easy to write AutoIt
scripts for easy things like typing shortcut keys. You have to
download and install AutoIt in order to run this.

Below is the script as well, but it has to be in a text file
with a .AU3 extension in order to run it. You can see how
simple it is. And I added a lot of comments to make it easier
to understand. If you need more info, let me know.

Maybe one day I will get into ExtendScript, but AutoIt is so
much easier and more pleasant to use that it's worth considering.

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
052-763-7133

; this script converts tables to text
; find the desired table once, before running the script

Opt(WinTitleMatchMode, 2) ; this sets the title match to be
anywhere in the window title

Dim $max
Dim $x = 1

$max = InputBox(,How many tables?,10)
WinActivate(.fm) ; this activates the window that has .fm in
the title bar (which may be hidden)
WinWaitActive(.fm)
While $x = $max
Send(^+f) ; presses CTRL+SHIFT+f to find next
Sleep(100) ; pause 100 milliseconds - you may need to
increase this time if you have a slow computer
Send(!tvc) ; presses ALT+t,v,c to convert the table to text
Sleep(100) ; pause 100 milliseconds - you may need to
increase this time if you have a slow computer
$x = $x + 1
WEnd

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On 26-Nov-13 12:35 PM, Yves Barbion wrote:

Hi group

I'm looking for a script which does the following:


1. Find tables with a specific table tag, for example
graphic_table.

2. Convert those tables to paragraphs (row by row).

Anyone?

Thanks in advance

-- 
Yves Barbion

www.scripto.nu http://www.scripto.nu



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Script to convert tables to paragraphs

[Jim Owens]

AutoIT is a powerful scripting language, and it comes with good 
documentation. It's intended to act as a surrogate for a human, by 
detecting screen or window activity and sending mouse or keyboard 
responses, but it's also very good for general-purpose programming.

It includes the ability to compile your AU3 program to EXE, so that you 
don't have to start up the scripting environment to run the script.

On 2013-11-26 08:10, Shmuel Wolfson wrote:
> Attached is an AutoIt script for this. AutoIt is a free scripting 
> language for Windows. It's very easy to write AutoIt scripts for easy 
> things like typing shortcut keys. You have to download and install 
> AutoIt in order to run this.
>
> Below is the script as well, but it has to be in a text file with a 
> .AU3 extension in order to run it. You can see how simple it is. And I 
> added a lot of comments to make it easier to understand. If you need 
> more info, let me know.
>
> Maybe one day I will get into ExtendScript, but AutoIt is so much 
> easier and more pleasant to use that it's worth considering.
>
> Regards,
> Shmuel Wolfson
> Technical Writer
> 052-763-7133
>
> ; this script converts tables to text
> ; find the desired table once, before running the script
>
> Opt("WinTitleMatchMode", 2) ; this sets the title match to be anywhere 
> in the window title
>
> Dim $max
> Dim $x = 1
>
> $max = InputBox("","How many tables?","10")
> WinActivate(".fm") ; this activates the window that has .fm in the 
> title bar (which may be hidden)
> WinWaitActive(".fm")
> While $x <= $max
> Send("^+f") ; presses CTRL+SHIFT+f to find next
> Sleep(100) ; pause 100 milliseconds - you may need to increase 
> this time if you have a slow computer
> Send("!tvc") ; presses ALT+t,v,c to convert the table to text
> Sleep(100) ; pause 100 milliseconds - you may need to increase 
> this time if you have a slow computer
> $x = $x + 1
> WEnd
>
> --
>
> On 26-Nov-13 12:35 PM, Yves Barbion wrote:
>> Hi group
>>
>> I'm looking for a script which does the following:
>>
>> 1. Find tables with a specific table tag, for example "graphic_table".
>> 2. Convert those tables to paragraphs (row by row).
>>
>> Anyone?
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>>
>> -- 
>> Yves Barbion
>> www.scripto.nu 
>>
>>
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Script to convert tables to paragraphs

[Jim Owens]

AutoIT is capable of opening documents, editing them, and closing them 
in FrameMaker (by pretending to be a user driving the menus).

On 2013-11-26 11:10, Rick Quatro wrote:
>
> I agree with your assessment of AutoIT and add my endorsement. 
> However, it works in kind of a "playback mode" where the interface 
> steps get executed on the active document. This is good for one-off 
> tasks where you want to mimic what happens in the interface. With 
> ExtendScript/FrameScript, you work with commands that can not only 
> work on the active document, but on invisible documents that the 
> script opens, saves, and closes for you. This is advantageous if you 
> have a task to perform on all of the document sin a book. I would 
> consider AutoIT and FrameMaker scripting programs to be complementary.
>
> Rick
>
> Rick Quatro
>
> Carmen Publishing Inc.
>
> 585-366-4017 **NEW**
>
> rick at frameexpert.com
>
> *From:*framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Shmuel 
> Wolfson
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 26, 2013 10:10 AM
> *To:* framers at lists.frameusers.com
> *Subject:* Re: Script to convert tables to paragraphs
>
> And the free editor that comes with it provides autocompletion and 
> context-sensitive help.
>
> Regards,
> Shmuel Wolfson
> 052-763-7133
>
> On 26-Nov-13 4:27 PM, Jim Owens wrote:
>
> AutoIT is a powerful scripting language, and it comes with good
> documentation. It's intended to act as a surrogate for a human, by
> detecting screen or window activity and sending mouse or keyboard
> responses, but it's also very good for general-purpose programming.
>
> It includes the ability to compile your AU3 program to EXE, so
> that you don't have to start up the scripting environment to run
> the script.
>
> On 2013-11-26 08:10, Shmuel Wolfson wrote:
>
> Attached is an AutoIt script for this. AutoIt is a free
> scripting language for Windows. It's very easy to write AutoIt
> scripts for easy things like typing shortcut keys. You have to
> download and install AutoIt in order to run this.
>
> Below is the script as well, but it has to be in a text file
> with a .AU3 extension in order to run it. You can see how
> simple it is. And I added a lot of comments to make it easier
> to understand. If you need more info, let me know.
>
> Maybe one day I will get into ExtendScript, but AutoIt is so
> much easier and more pleasant to use that it's worth considering.
>
> Regards,
> Shmuel Wolfson
> Technical Writer
> 052-763-7133
>
> ; this script converts tables to text
> ; find the desired table once, before running the script
>
> Opt("WinTitleMatchMode", 2) ; this sets the title match to be
> anywhere in the window title
>
> Dim $max
> Dim $x = 1
>
> $max = InputBox("","How many tables?","10")
> WinActivate(".fm") ; this activates the window that has .fm in
> the title bar (which may be hidden)
> WinWaitActive(".fm")
> While $x <= $max
> Send("^+f") ; presses CTRL+SHIFT+f to find next
> Sleep(100) ; pause 100 milliseconds - you may need to
> increase this time if you have a slow computer
> Send("!tvc") ; presses ALT+t,v,c to convert the table to text
> Sleep(100) ; pause 100 milliseconds - you may need to
> increase this time if you have a slow computer
> $x = $x + 1
> WEnd
>
> --
>
> On 26-Nov-13 12:35 PM, Yves Barbion wrote:
>
> Hi group
>
> I'm looking for a script which does the following:
>
>
> 1. Find tables with a specific table tag, for example
> "graphic_table".
>
> 2. Convert those tables to paragraphs (row by row).
>
> Anyone?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> -- 
> Yves Barbion
> www.scripto.nu <http://www.scripto.nu>
>
>
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Re: Fm and Sharepoint

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It is possible.  In the Adobe FrameMaker forums, there's a subforum for 
Content Management Systems where the SharePoint Connector has been 
discussed from time to time.


On 2013-11-22 15:25, John Posada wrote:


Hi guys...

Has anyone managed to use Sharepoint as a FM cms?

Thanks



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Fm and Sharepoint

[Jim Owens]

It is possible.  In the Adobe FrameMaker forums, there's a subforum for 
Content Management Systems where the SharePoint Connector has been 
discussed from time to time.

On 2013-11-22 15:25, John Posada wrote:
>
> Hi guys...
>
> Has anyone managed to use Sharepoint as a FM cms?
>
> Thanks
>
>
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Re: FrameMaker 11 and referenced graphics pointing to wrong drive: nightmare alley

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You may be able to change the letters assigned to your drives. See 
http://pcsupport.about.com/od/windows7/ht/change-drive-letters-windows-7.htm



On 2013-05-14 14:38, Rob Shell wrote:

Dear Framers:
I wonder if anyone out there has experienced this.
I upgraded windows 7 32 bit to 64 bit.
To do this I had to do a clean reinstall on the C: drive which meant
reinstalling every single bit of software including TC4. No drives were
reassigned or re-named.
Everything went well -- and three days later --  I had my new 64 bit machine
with 8 gigs of Ram.  All this was done to facilitate one big 10,000 page
annual pdf project.
Finally I opened the book of books.
Everything opened well but every single graphic (all referenced, all under
250kb) was now referenced to the H: where the FM texts reside.
However, all the graphics files really reside on the G: drive.
So now I have 1,000 graphics files which are mis-referenced.

My questions are
How can I restore the proper drive letter in object properties?
How did this happen?
Has anybody experienced this?
Is there anything else I can do
Perhaps if I copy the G: directories to H: the problems will go away.
Any ideas?


Rob

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TCS 4
CS4
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Re: FrameMaker 11 and referenced graphics pointing to wrong drive: nightmare alley

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On 2013-05-14 15:36, Fred Ridder wrote:
I don't think this will work because Rob already has an H: drive, 
which is where his FM files are. You can't assign two drives (or two 
partitions) to the same letter.




I thought he might be able to rename the current H drive to something 
else, and then rename the G drive to H. But mabye something on the 
system cares whether the Frame files are on H -- I'm not sure.


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FrameMaker 11 and referenced graphics pointing to wrong drive: nightmare alley

[Jim Owens]

You may be able to change the letters assigned to your drives. See 
http://pcsupport.about.com/od/windows7/ht/change-drive-letters-windows-7.htm


On 2013-05-14 14:38, Rob Shell wrote:
> Dear Framers:
> I wonder if anyone out there has experienced this.
> I upgraded windows 7 32 bit to 64 bit.
> To do this I had to do a clean reinstall on the C: drive which meant
> reinstalling every single bit of software including TC4. No drives were
> reassigned or re-named.
> Everything went well -- and three days later --  I had my new 64 bit machine
> with 8 gigs of Ram.  All this was done to facilitate one big 10,000 page
> annual pdf project.
> Finally I opened the book of books.
> Everything opened well but every single graphic (all referenced, all under
> 250kb) was now referenced to the H: where the FM texts reside.
> However, all the graphics files really reside on the G: drive.
> So now I have 1,000 graphics files which are mis-referenced.
>
> My questions are
> How can I restore the proper drive letter in object properties?
> How did this happen?
> Has anybody experienced this?
> Is there anything else I can do
> Perhaps if I copy the G: directories to H: the problems will go away.
> Any ideas?
>
>
> Rob
>
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FrameMaker 11 and referenced graphics pointing to wrong drive: nightmare alley

[Jim Owens]

On 2013-05-14 15:36, Fred Ridder wrote:
> I don't think this will work because Rob already has an H: drive, 
> which is where his FM files are. You can't assign two drives (or two 
> partitions) to the same letter.
>

I thought he might be able to rename the current H drive to something 
else, and then rename the G drive to H. But mabye something on the 
system cares whether the Frame files are on H -- I'm not sure.

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Re: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

[Jim Owens]

Even better, let's all switch to DITA and use whatever tools we like for 
editing and publishing.


On 2013-05-11 14:33, Writer wrote:

I say we start a new company and create a competitor to FrameMaker! Who's with 
me? Anyone? Anyone?

*crickets chirp*

=D

Nadine


- Original Message -

From: Craig Ede craig...@hotmail.com
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Cc:
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2013 1:24:36 PM
Subject: FW: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

T his is troubling, and so one message is buy the CS software on CD/DVD
while you still can. A number of my friends, most connected with academic
institutions, are doing that.

I expect Adobe is attempting to have everyone on the same page as regards
these applications so that one set of help files defines the current
state
of an application. This would help a lot in terms of expected outcomes when
using the product. However, it requires a constant state of reeducation as
new features are added and different ways of handling things are introduced.
Not that we don't have to deal with this already, but at least we know if we
do something in a given version, it is going to work in a way that we
already are familiar with.

As for extending this the current version of the app beyond the
bounds of
the Creative Suite, I rather doubt that Adobe will do that anytime soon. If
they have their finger on the pulse of their users they must realized that,
for instance, in the medical device industry, all tools used to produce
documentation must be validated. It would be impossible  (and expensive!) to
validate a moving target as the apps were continually being improved and the
former version made unavailable.

Craig Ede
-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 11:38 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

I have just heard a rumor that the CS Suite is going to available in future
only on an SaaS basis, by subscription. TCS/FrameMaker could follow?

I do wonder whether the accountants that run large corporates like Adobe
understand how important their software is to the countless thousands of
freelances who have to scrape every last penny to buy it - but at least then
they own something, not vapor that goes phut as soon as you stop paying for
it.

For the last two decades FrameMaker, Illustrator, Acrobat and Dreamweaver
have been the rocks underpinning what I do. I'm far less sure about the
future, though.

--
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Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

[Jim Owens]

Even better, let's all switch to DITA and use whatever tools we like for 
editing and publishing.

On 2013-05-11 14:33, Writer wrote:
> I say we start a new company and create a competitor to FrameMaker! Who's 
> with me? Anyone? Anyone?
>
> *crickets chirp*
>
> =D
>
> Nadine
>
>
> - Original Message -
>> From: Craig Ede 
>> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
>> Cc:
>> Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2013 1:24:36 PM
>> Subject: FW: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only
>>
>> T his is troubling, and so one message is "buy the CS software on CD/DVD
>> while you still can." A number of my friends, most connected with academic
>> institutions, are doing that.
>>
>> I expect Adobe is attempting to have everyone on the same page as regards
>> these applications so that one set of help files defines the "current
>> state"
>> of an application. This would help a lot in terms of expected outcomes when
>> using the product. However, it requires a constant state of reeducation as
>> new features are added and different ways of handling things are introduced.
>> Not that we don't have to deal with this already, but at least we know if we
>> do something in a given version, it is going to work in a way that we
>> already are familiar with.
>>
>> As for extending this "the current version of the app" beyond the
>> bounds of
>> the Creative Suite, I rather doubt that Adobe will do that anytime soon. If
>> they have their finger on the pulse of their users they must realized that,
>> for instance, in the medical device industry, all tools used to produce
>> documentation must be validated. It would be impossible  (and expensive!) to
>> validate a moving target as the apps were continually being improved and the
>> former version made unavailable.
>>
>> Craig Ede
>> -Original Message-
>> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
>> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby
>> Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 11:38 AM
>> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
>> Subject: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only
>>
>> I have just heard a rumor that the CS Suite is going to available in future
>> only on an SaaS basis, by subscription. TCS/FrameMaker could follow?
>>
>> I do wonder whether the accountants that run large corporates like Adobe
>> understand how important their software is to the countless thousands of
>> freelances who have to scrape every last penny to buy it - but at least then
>> they own something, not vapor that goes phut as soon as you stop paying for
>> it.
>>
>> For the last two decades FrameMaker, Illustrator, Acrobat and Dreamweaver
>> have been the rocks underpinning what I do. I'm far less sure about the
>> future, though.
>>
>> -- 
>> Steve [somewhat aghast]
>>
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Re: Adobe FrameMaker forum down

[Jim Owens]

They've been reorganized.  You need to go back to the index page 
(http://forums.adobe.com/index.jspa) and select the FrameMaker forum 
from there.


On 2013-04-09 11:35, Keith Soltys wrote:


It looks like something bad happened to the Adobe FrameMaker forum  on 
the community site. The page says it's not found or may have been 
deleted. Hopefully it's either undergoing maintenance or they have 
backups.


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Adobe FrameMaker forum down

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They've been reorganized.  You need to go back to the index page 
(http://forums.adobe.com/index.jspa) and select the FrameMaker forum 
from there.

On 2013-04-09 11:35, Keith Soltys wrote:
>
> It looks like something bad happened to the Adobe FrameMaker forum  on 
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> deleted. Hopefully it's either undergoing maintenance or they have 
> backups.
>
> Keith
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Re: FrameMaker 10 to FrameMaker 11

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We haven't experienced any problems since we upgraded a few months ago. 
The ability to edit the XML directly is a welcome improvement.


On 2013-03-05 09:12, Danny Green - NOAA Federal wrote:

All,
We are considering upgrading from FrameMaker 10 to 11.  I have seen 
some issues on this list concerning 11.  We use Structured FrameMaker 
to develop our documents and then post online and print from PDF. Is 
the move adviseable?

Thanks
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We haven't experienced any problems since we upgraded a few months ago. 
The ability to edit the XML directly is a welcome improvement.

On 2013-03-05 09:12, Danny Green - NOAA Federal wrote:
> All,
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> to develop our documents and then post online and print from PDF. Is 
> the move adviseable?
> Thanks
> Danny
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OT: HTML Help Related Topics control and character encoding

[Jim Owens]

We're using the HTML Help Related Topics ActiveX control.  When we 
create an Item with Arabic text for the title, the wrong characters 
appear in the Topics Found dialog box, even when the system locale is 
set to Arabic.  Everything else in the compiled help uses the correct 
Arabic characters, whether or not the system locale is set to Arabic.  
The encoding used by our translator is windows-1256.


Is there something we can try, or is this just a limitation of the control?
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Re: OT: HTML Help Related Topics control and character encoding

[Jim Owens]

Hi, Jeremy.  I'm using SBAppLocale to compile (as recommended in the 
Mif2Go Guide!), and Search is working OK in Arabic. In fact, the Arabic 
is OK everywhere in the output -- except for the Related Topics button 
text, and the link text in the Related Topics Topics Found dialog box.


Setting aside the compilation, if I just open an HTML page in a browser, 
everything is in Arabic, except the text on the Related Topics button 
(which is in something like Cyrillic) and the text in the Related Topics 
dialog for the button (which is all question marks unless I set the 
system locale to Arabic, in which case it's something like Cyrillic).


The pages are all encoded with windows-1256.


On 2013-02-13 10:01, Jeremy H. Griffith wrote:

On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 05:44:07 -0500, Jim Owens jow...@magma.ca wrote:


We're using the HTML Help Related Topics ActiveX control.  When we
create an Item with Arabic text for the title, the wrong characters
appear in the Topics Found dialog box, even when the system locale is
set to Arabic.  Everything else in the compiled help uses the correct
Arabic characters, whether or not the system locale is set to Arabic.
The encoding used by our translator is windows-1256.

Is there something we can try, or is this just a limitation of the control?

When you comiled the Arabic CHM, did you do it on
an Arabic system?  NOT just one with the locale set?
That's what HTML Help requires for Search to work;
always has.  Not just for Arabic, but for any other
locale.

Also, are all your HTML files in the correct Code
Page encoding, 1256?  Unicode will NOT work for
HTML Help, though you may think it does.

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Re: OT: HTML Help Related Topics control and character encoding

[Jim Owens]

Thanks for the tips!  I'll check them out.

On 2013-02-13 12:10, Jeremy H. Griffith wrote:

On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 11:32:23 -0500, Jim Owens jow...@magma.ca wrote:


Hi, Jeremy.  I'm using SBAppLocale to compile (as recommended in the
Mif2Go Guide!), and Search is working OK in Arabic. In fact, the Arabic
is OK everywhere in the output --

The pages are all encoded with windows-1256.

You're right on top of it, then.  ;-)


except for the Related Topics button
text, and the link text in the Related Topics Topics Found dialog box.

Setting aside the compilation, if I just open an HTML page in a browser,
everything is in Arabic, except the text on the Related Topics button
(which is in something like Cyrillic) and the text in the Related Topics
dialog for the button (which is all question marks unless I set the
system locale to Arabic, in which case it's something like Cyrillic).

I wonder if there is a different version of the
ActiveX control for different code pages?  It
sounds like it's not using the same one as the
rest.

See if there is a PARAM name=Font ... 
in the instance of the control in your HTML.
MSDN has some very sketchy docs for it:
   
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ms644677%28v=vs.85%29.aspx
but one of the values is the character set.
They don't say what the syntax for that is,
but I'd try 1256, CP1256, and cp-1256 to start.

There are also advisories about a security
upgrade from MS that broke this control at:
   
http://www.helpwaregroup.com/system/app/pages/customSearch?scope=search-nsq=Related+Topics+ActiveX

HTH!

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Re: OT: HTML Help Related Topics control and character encoding

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On 2013-02-13 12:10, Jeremy H. Griffith wrote:

I wonder if there is a different version of the
ActiveX control for different code pages?  It
sounds like it's not using the same one as the
rest.

See if there is a PARAM name=Font ... 
in the instance of the control in your HTML.
MSDN has some very sketchy docs for it:
   
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ms644677%28v=vs.85%29.aspx
but one of the values is the character set.
They don't say what the syntax for that is,
but I'd try 1256, CP1256, and cp-1256 to start.


For the record, here's what I found out.

The Font param works on the button. With value=,, cp1256 and my system 
locale set to English, it changes the text to question marks. If I 
change the system locale to Arabic, then the button text is in Arabic 
even without the Font param. (The button text was the one thing I hadn't 
tested for locale -- I didn't have a translation for Related Topics at 
the time). If I supply a bad Font param (1256 instead of cp1256), and 
system locale is Arabic, I get question marks .


I can't get the Font param (or the Text param) to work on an Item. In 
fact, if I place the Font param after an Item, its arguments affect the 
button instead. This is true even when the Button param is placed after 
the Item and Font params!


The Text param doesn't do anything anywhere, as far as I can see.

For Arabic, we'll just use a Related Topics subheading and some links. 
But it was interesting! Thanks again.




There are also advisories about a security
upgrade from MS that broke this control at:
   
http://www.helpwaregroup.com/system/app/pages/customSearch?scope=search-nsq=Related+Topics+ActiveX

HTH!

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Re: OT: HTML Help Related Topics control and character

[Jim Owens]

Jeremy has provided information about SBAppLocale.exe, which spares you 
the reboot.


http://mif2go.com/xhtml/htmlhelp_0073_9133compilinginadifferentlanguage.htm

On 2013-02-13 14:41, David Shaked wrote:

When you compiled the Arabic CHM, did you do it on an Arabic system?  NOT

just one with the

locale set? That's what HTML Help requires for Search to work; always has.

Not just for

Arabic, but for any other locale.

My experience is that it's OK to use English Windows when compiling a
localized CHM. I have not done Arabic, but I have done Hebrew (also an RTL
language), Russian, Greek, and Asian languages.

The critical aspect is to set the Windows system locale to the target
language. The system locale is an internal code page that Windows uses for
non-Unicode applications. It is different from the user locale, which
controls the date formats and so forth.

To set the system locale on Windows 7, open Control Panel  Clock, Language,
and Region  Region and Language  Administrative  Language for Non-Unicode
Programs. After you set the system locale, Windows prompts you to restart
the computer.

For more information, see:

http://wiki.webworks.com/DavidShaked/LocalizingWWePProjects

Most of the article is about WebWorks ePublisher, but I think the
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AlmondWeb Ltd.
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OT: HTML Help Related Topics control and character encoding

[Jim Owens]

We're using the HTML Help Related Topics ActiveX control.  When we 
create an  with Arabic text for the title, the wrong characters 
appear in the Topics Found dialog box, even when the system locale is 
set to Arabic.  Everything else in the compiled help uses the correct 
Arabic characters, whether or not the system locale is set to Arabic.  
The encoding used by our translator is windows-1256.

Is there something we can try, or is this just a limitation of the control?

OT: HTML Help Related Topics control and character encoding

[Jim Owens]

Hi, Jeremy.  I'm using SBAppLocale to compile (as recommended in the 
Mif2Go Guide!), and Search is working OK in Arabic. In fact, the Arabic 
is OK everywhere in the output -- except for the Related Topics button 
text, and the link text in the Related Topics "Topics Found" dialog box.

Setting aside the compilation, if I just open an HTML page in a browser, 
everything is in Arabic, except the text on the Related Topics button 
(which is in something like Cyrillic) and the text in the Related Topics 
dialog for the button (which is all question marks unless I set the 
system locale to Arabic, in which case it's something like Cyrillic).

The pages are all encoded with windows-1256.


On 2013-02-13 10:01, Jeremy H. Griffith wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 05:44:07 -0500, Jim Owens  wrote:
>
>> We're using the HTML Help Related Topics ActiveX control.  When we
>> create an  with Arabic text for the title, the wrong characters
>> appear in the Topics Found dialog box, even when the system locale is
>> set to Arabic.  Everything else in the compiled help uses the correct
>> Arabic characters, whether or not the system locale is set to Arabic.
>> The encoding used by our translator is windows-1256.
>>
>> Is there something we can try, or is this just a limitation of the control?
> When you comiled the Arabic CHM, did you do it on
> an Arabic system?  NOT just one with the locale set?
> That's what HTML Help requires for Search to work;
> always has.  Not just for Arabic, but for any other
> locale.
>
> Also, are all your HTML files in the correct Code
> Page encoding, 1256?  Unicode will NOT work for
> HTML Help, though you may think it does.
>
> -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
>http://mif2go.com/
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OT: HTML Help Related Topics control and character encoding

[Jim Owens]

Thanks for the tips!  I'll check them out.

On 2013-02-13 12:10, Jeremy H. Griffith wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 11:32:23 -0500, Jim Owens  wrote:
>
>> Hi, Jeremy.  I'm using SBAppLocale to compile (as recommended in the
>> Mif2Go Guide!), and Search is working OK in Arabic. In fact, the Arabic
>> is OK everywhere in the output --
>>
>> The pages are all encoded with windows-1256.
> You're right on top of it, then.  ;-)
>
>> except for the Related Topics button
>> text, and the link text in the Related Topics "Topics Found" dialog box.
>>
>> Setting aside the compilation, if I just open an HTML page in a browser,
>> everything is in Arabic, except the text on the Related Topics button
>> (which is in something like Cyrillic) and the text in the Related Topics
>> dialog for the button (which is all question marks unless I set the
>> system locale to Arabic, in which case it's something like Cyrillic).
> I wonder if there is a different version of the
> ActiveX control for different code pages?  It
> sounds like it's not using the same one as the
> rest.
>
> See if there is a 
> in the instance of the control in your HTML.
> MSDN has some very sketchy docs for it:
>
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ms644677%28v=vs.85%29.aspx
> but one of the values is the character set.
> They don't say what the syntax for that is,
> but I'd try 1256, CP1256, and cp-1256 to start.
>
> There are also advisories about a "security"
> "upgrade" from MS that broke this control at:
>
> http://www.helpwaregroup.com/system/app/pages/customSearch?scope=search-ns=Related+Topics+ActiveX
>
> HTH!
>
> -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
>http://mif2go.com/
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OT: HTML Help Related Topics control and character encoding

[Jim Owens]

On 2013-02-13 12:10, Jeremy H. Griffith wrote:
> I wonder if there is a different version of the
> ActiveX control for different code pages?  It
> sounds like it's not using the same one as the
> rest.
>
> See if there is a 
> in the instance of the control in your HTML.
> MSDN has some very sketchy docs for it:
>
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ms644677%28v=vs.85%29.aspx
> but one of the values is the character set.
> They don't say what the syntax for that is,
> but I'd try 1256, CP1256, and cp-1256 to start.

For the record, here's what I found out.

The Font param works on the button. With value=",, cp1256" and my system 
locale set to English, it changes the text to question marks. If I 
change the system locale to Arabic, then the button text is in Arabic 
even without the Font param. (The button text was the one thing I hadn't 
tested for locale -- I didn't have a translation for "Related Topics" at 
the time). If I supply a bad Font param (1256 instead of cp1256), and 
system locale is Arabic, I get question marks .

I can't get the Font param (or the Text param) to work on an Item. In 
fact, if I place the Font param after an Item, its arguments affect the 
button instead. This is true even when the Button param is placed after 
the Item and Font params!

The Text param doesn't do anything anywhere, as far as I can see.

For Arabic, we'll just use a Related Topics subheading and some links. 
But it was interesting! Thanks again.


> There are also advisories about a "security"
> "upgrade" from MS that broke this control at:
>
> http://www.helpwaregroup.com/system/app/pages/customSearch?scope=search-ns=Related+Topics+ActiveX
>
> HTH!
>
> -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
>http://mif2go.com/
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OT: HTML Help Related Topics control and character

[Jim Owens]

Jeremy has provided information about SBAppLocale.exe, which spares you 
the reboot.

http://mif2go.com/xhtml/htmlhelp_0073_9133compilinginadifferentlanguage.htm

On 2013-02-13 14:41, David Shaked wrote:
>> When you compiled the Arabic CHM, did you do it on an Arabic system?  NOT
> just one with the
>> locale set? That's what HTML Help requires for Search to work; always has.
> Not just for
>> Arabic, but for any other locale.
> My experience is that it's OK to use English Windows when compiling a
> localized CHM. I have not done Arabic, but I have done Hebrew (also an RTL
> language), Russian, Greek, and Asian languages.
>
> The critical aspect is to set the Windows system locale to the target
> language. The system locale is an internal code page that Windows uses for
> non-Unicode applications. It is different from the user locale, which
> controls the date formats and so forth.
>
> To set the system locale on Windows 7, open Control Panel > Clock, Language,
> and Region > Region and Language > Administrative > Language for Non-Unicode
> Programs. After you set the system locale, Windows prompts you to restart
> the computer.
>
> For more information, see:
>
> http://wiki.webworks.com/DavidShaked/LocalizingWWePProjects
>
> Most of the article is about WebWorks ePublisher, but I think the
> information about the system locale is relevant to all tools.
>
> David Shaked (Wernick)
>
> AlmondWeb Ltd.
> http://www.almondweb.com
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best web help add-on for FrameMaker 10?

[Jim Owens]

On 2013-02-05 12:08, Jeremy H. Griffith wrote:
> To be clear, the only issue with Firefox you have reported to us is 
> with invoking OmniHelp from a Web application. This has never been 
> reported by anyone else, and cannot be duplicated here... We use 
> OmniHelp in FireFox all the time. 

In case it's relevant,  most browsers (including Firefox) won't open 
HTML files saved to a non-local drive and called using the file 
protocol.  If they're not on a local drive, the files must be served by 
an HTTP server and called using the http protocol.

Re: What is a PI marker or programming instruction marker

[Jim Owens]

With due respect for Jeremy, whom I esteem greatly, I think he may have 
overstated the case. You can get CHM output from oXygen with a few mouse 
clicks, and you can easily customize its appearance using CSS. There are 
also some ready-made parameter controls in oXygen, for example to create 
breadcrumbs (although I just tried that option and I don't see them in 
the output).


If you want to go further than that, you can either develop your XSLT 
skills -- which is a wise strategy, but one you should view as long-term 
-- or you can develop your Mif2Go/DITA2Go skills, which is a much easier 
challenge and one that gives you almost as much control of the output. 
(And if you're missing a control, Jeremy often adds one for you in an 
amazingly short time.)


On 2012-11-29 23:57, Writer wrote:

Can't you output to CHM using oXygen?

Sure, in the same sense that you can create
a large Web site using only Notepad.  ;-)

So...um...like...are you saying that I'm doin' it rong?


I'd say if someone has a looming deadline,
that is **not** the time to start learning
how to customize the OT...  LOL!

I was just inquiring. I'm using oXygen to learn XML and XSLT stuff, but I've 
not explored it's DITA capabilities to any great degree. I thought CHM output 
was there, but didn't know if it was useful or not. The OP mentioned 
restricting spending. I thought if he already had access to CHM output, why not 
use that.

Oh well.






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[Jim Owens]

With due respect for Jeremy, whom I esteem greatly, I think he may have 
overstated the case. You can get CHM output from oXygen with a few mouse 
clicks, and you can easily customize its appearance using CSS. There are 
also some ready-made parameter controls in oXygen, for example to create 
breadcrumbs (although I just tried that option and I don't see them in 
the output).

If you want to go further than that, you can either develop your XSLT 
skills -- which is a wise strategy, but one you should view as long-term 
-- or you can develop your Mif2Go/DITA2Go skills, which is a much easier 
challenge and one that gives you almost as much control of the output. 
(And if you're missing a control, Jeremy often adds one for you in an 
amazingly short time.)

On 2012-11-29 23:57, Writer wrote:
>>> Can't you output to CHM using oXygen?
>> Sure, in the same sense that you can create
>> a large Web site using only Notepad.  ;-)
> So...um...like...are you saying that I'm doin' it rong?
>
>> I'd say if someone has a looming deadline,
>> that is **not** the time to start learning
>> how to customize the OT...  LOL!
> I was just inquiring. I'm using oXygen to learn XML and XSLT stuff, but I've 
> not explored it's DITA capabilities to any great degree. I thought CHM output 
> was there, but didn't know if it was useful or not. The OP mentioned 
> restricting spending. I thought if he already had access to CHM output, why 
> not use that.
>
> Oh well.
>
>
>
>

Re: Fm+Sharepoint?

[Jim Owens]

We're using FM 11 and SharePoint 2010. Our DITA project has a few 
hundred files.


For check-in/check-out and version management, it's acceptable. The time 
to load the list of files when you want to insert a graphic into a 
topic  is measurable in long seconds, and I wish that were faster. I'd 
like to hear others' experiences.


In terms of DITA management, it doesn't do much. SharePoint has no 
mechanism for keeping track of relationships between files, so you don't 
get the file and folder name management, conref lookup, and so on that 
you need. You'd have to build DITA-awareness yourself with custom 
code, or buy it if you can. Every commercial offering I've found comes 
with a sales pitch to turn your whole organization into a 
DITA-SharePoint operation through extensive consulting services.  If 
anyone is selling a simple DITA database plugin, I haven't found it yet.


FM's SharePoint Connector does have dependency awareness, but Adobe's 
implementation relies on an FMDependency field added to the SharePoint 
library columns. This field contains a delimited list of all files 
referenced by a file. If you want to write your own custom code to 
manage file name changes, then you're stuck with keeping this field up 
to date as well. Since you're sharing it with Adobe, you may feel uneasy 
about this. I know I do.



On 2012-11-27 03:49, Yves Barbion wrote:

Hi group

Is there anyone using FrameMaker 10 or 11 with Sharepoint? Any good or 
bad experiences you wish to share?


Thanks.


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Fm+Sharepoint?

[Jim Owens]

We're using FM 11 and SharePoint 2010. Our DITA project has a few 
hundred files.

For check-in/check-out and version management, it's acceptable. The time 
to load the list of files when you want to insert a graphic into a 
topic  is measurable in long seconds, and I wish that were faster. I'd 
like to hear others' experiences.

In terms of DITA management, it doesn't do much. SharePoint has no 
mechanism for keeping track of relationships between files, so you don't 
get the file and folder name management, conref lookup, and so on that 
you need. You'd have to build "DITA-awareness" yourself with custom 
code, or buy it if you can. Every commercial offering I've found comes 
with a sales pitch to turn your whole organization into a 
DITA-SharePoint operation through extensive consulting services.  If 
anyone is selling a simple DITA database plugin, I haven't found it yet.

FM's SharePoint Connector does have dependency awareness, but Adobe's 
implementation relies on an "FMDependency" field added to the SharePoint 
library columns. This field contains a delimited list of all files 
referenced by a file. If you want to write your own custom code to 
manage file name changes, then you're stuck with keeping this field up 
to date as well. Since you're sharing it with Adobe, you may feel uneasy 
about this. I know I do.


On 2012-11-27 03:49, Yves Barbion wrote:
> Hi group
>
> Is there anyone using FrameMaker 10 or 11 with Sharepoint? Any good or 
> bad experiences you wish to share?
>
> Thanks.
>
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Re: Confluence 4 export: the one feature that would justify my upgrading from FM10

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FWIW, there is a free product called AutoIT that allows you to automate 
complex interactions with the GUI.  The programming language is 
well-documented and quite powerful.


On 2012-11-21 13:32, Robert Lauriston wrote:

The manual page-by-page import I've done is too complicated to
automate. You'd want to use one of the APIs or the plugin SDK for bulk
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[Jim Owens]

FWIW, there is a free product called AutoIT that allows you to automate 
complex interactions with the GUI.  The programming language is 
well-documented and quite powerful.

On 2012-11-21 13:32, Robert Lauriston wrote:
> The manual page-by-page import I've done is too complicated to
> automate. You'd want to use one of the APIs or the plugin SDK for bulk
> import.
>
>

Re: Confluence 4 export: the one feature that would justify my upgrading from FM10

[Jim Owens]

We've just started using Confluence; we have documents in Frame and 
DITA; and we use Mif2Go and DITA2Go. So naturally I'm interested.


At the risk of going off topic: Confluence has an Import from disk 
feature. As far as I can tell, it accepts multiple files placed in a 
folder on the Confluence server.  (At the moment, I'm arranging for 
access to the server disk.) Are you saying this can't be used to bring 
in a set of Confluence-compatible XHTML pages?


Is there a better forum for discussing Confluence import?

On 2012-11-20 18:12, Robert Lauriston wrote:

The APIs are supported. The command-line interface is a third-party project.

I already have a FrameMaker template that maps to Confluence XHTML, so
import would be clean.
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Re: Confluence 4 export: the one feature that would justify my upgrading from FM10

[Jim Owens]

I've been looking into this, and it seems there's a problem due to a 
format change. It's important to know what version of Confluence you're 
dealing with.


It seems Confluence 3.x and earlier used Confluence Wiki Markup format  
for their pages. Beginning with 4.0, Atlassian  changed to the more 
expressive Confluence Storage Format. Unfortunately, for importing, they 
didn't add support for the new format. So:


- If you produce pages in Confluence Storage Format (the modified 
XHTML), you can't import them to Confluence.
- If you produce pages in Confluence Wiki Format and try to add them to 
Confluence 4.0 directly via API (as the sourceforge dita2wiki tool 
does), they will not be accepted because of the format change.


It should still be possible to produce pages in Confluence Wiki Format 
and upload them to Confluence 4.0  via the Import pages from disk 
feature.  For DITA users, this might involve unbundling a transform I 
assume is in the dita2wiki project, to support writing the output to 
local files instead of directly to Confluence.


I gather it's also possible to add Wiki Format pages via API and invoke 
Atlassian's own converter to change them to Confluence Storage Format, 
but no one in the sourceforge community has fully taken this on.


On 2012-11-21 10:32, Yves Barbion wrote:

Hi Jeremy

Make that *SIX *MIF2Go users; I care about Confluence too. ;-)

I played with DITA, Confluence and WebWorks ePublisher a while ago, 
and I think I somehow managed to import a collection of files into 
Confluence. Maybe this can help?


http://ffeathers.wordpress.com/2009/10/04/epublisher-for-converting-documents-to-confluence-wiki/

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We've just started using Confluence; we have documents in Frame and 
DITA; and we use Mif2Go and DITA2Go. So naturally I'm interested.

At the risk of going off topic: Confluence has an "Import from disk" 
feature. As far as I can tell, it accepts multiple files placed in a 
folder on the Confluence server.  (At the moment, I'm arranging for 
access to the server disk.) Are you saying this can't be used to bring 
in a set of Confluence-compatible XHTML pages?

Is there a better forum for discussing Confluence import?

On 2012-11-20 18:12, Robert Lauriston wrote:
> The APIs are supported. The command-line interface is a third-party project.
>
> I already have a FrameMaker template that maps to Confluence XHTML, so
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Confluence 4 export: the one feature that would justify my upgrading from FM10

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I've been looking into this, and it seems there's a problem due to a 
format change. It's important to know what version of Confluence you're 
dealing with.

It seems Confluence 3.x and earlier used Confluence Wiki Markup format  
for their pages. Beginning with 4.0, Atlassian  changed to the more 
expressive Confluence Storage Format. Unfortunately, for importing, they 
didn't add support for the new format. So:

- If you produce pages in Confluence Storage Format (the modified 
XHTML), you can't import them to Confluence.
- If you produce pages in Confluence Wiki Format and try to add them to 
Confluence 4.0 directly via API (as the sourceforge dita2wiki tool 
does), they will not be accepted because of the format change.

It should still be possible to produce pages in Confluence Wiki Format 
and upload them to Confluence 4.0  via the "Import pages from disk" 
feature.  For DITA users, this might involve unbundling a transform I 
assume is in the dita2wiki project, to support writing the output to 
local files instead of directly to Confluence.

I gather it's also possible to add Wiki Format pages via API and invoke 
Atlassian's own converter to change them to Confluence Storage Format, 
but no one in the sourceforge community has fully taken this on.

On 2012-11-21 10:32, Yves Barbion wrote:
> Hi Jeremy
>
> Make that *SIX *MIF2Go users; I care about Confluence too. ;-)
>
> I played with DITA, Confluence and WebWorks ePublisher a while ago, 
> and I think I somehow managed to import a collection of files into 
> Confluence. Maybe this can help?
>
> http://ffeathers.wordpress.com/2009/10/04/epublisher-for-converting-documents-to-confluence-wiki/
>
> Cheers
>
> -- 
> Yves Barbion
> www.scripto.nu 

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Re: Response from Adobe - Print to .PS issue - Cause and solution

[Jim Owens]

I'm always in structured mode (FM10 at the moment). Sometimes I work on 
unstructured documents, and I've never had a problem.


On 2012-09-27 13:48, Robert Lauriston wrote:

I'm curious to hear how well that works. Seems like editing
unstructured documents in structured mode is likely to have side
effects. If that weren't the case, why even have the mode switch?

On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 10:18 PM, Kapil Verma kve...@adobe.com wrote:


Workaround

The workaround is to switch to structured mode (you can do so by going to
Edit  Preferences  General and use the Product Interface dropdown to
select “Structured FrameMaker”) and restart FrameMaker. This would be a
one-time action and afterwards, FrameMaker will launch in Structured mode
and you won’t face this issue.

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I'm always in structured mode (FM10 at the moment). Sometimes I work on 
unstructured documents, and I've never had a problem.

On 2012-09-27 13:48, Robert Lauriston wrote:
> I'm curious to hear how well that works. Seems like editing
> unstructured documents in structured mode is likely to have side
> effects. If that weren't the case, why even have the mode switch?
>
> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 10:18 PM, Kapil Verma  wrote:
>
>> Workaround
>>
>> The workaround is to switch to structured mode (you can do so by going to
>> Edit > Preferences > General and use the Product Interface dropdown to
>> select ?Structured FrameMaker?) and restart FrameMaker. This would be a
>> one-time action and afterwards, FrameMaker will launch in Structured mode
>> and you won?t face this issue.
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FM10 SharePoint Connector speed -- need input

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For those using FM10's CMS Connector with SharePoint 2010: Is the file 
dialog reasonably responsive when you want to add a graphic or other 
file to a document?  We find it very slow, but we aren't sure whether 
the issue is with the CMS Connector or with our SharePoint installation.

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For those using FM10's CMS Connector with SharePoint 2010: Is the file 
dialog reasonably responsive when you want to add a graphic or other 
file to a document?  We find it very slow, but we aren't sure whether 
the issue is with the CMS Connector or with our SharePoint installation.

Re: Resources to help a newbie create DITA documents in FrameMaker 10

[Jim Owens]

In case no one else has mentioned it, you can also use DITA2Go as an 
alternative to the DITA-OT (or Flare or RoboHelp).  It's free, and it's 
highly configurable. The learning curve is not as steep as for the 
DITA-OT, especially for those familiar with its sister product Mif2Go, 
and the documentation, for those who want to learn, is much more extensive.


On 2012-05-18 13:01, Scott Prentice wrote:
To step back a bit .. the DITA-OT is a library of XSLT and Java code 
that lets you create may types of output (HTML, CHM, Eclipse Help, 
Java Help, PDF, etc.). Yes, it's free and can be used to create all 
sorts of output from DITA, but it can be a fair amount of work to set 
up and make things look the way you want. If you're using Frame for 
authoring DITA, there's really no reason to use the OT for creating 
PDFs (it's way more work and the results are far from stellar) .. 
however, it can be a good option for online output *if* you're willing 
to do the coding to make things work the way you want. It is likely to 
be easier to use RoboHelp (or Flare) to create the online output, but 
then you're paying for a proprietary tool. You decide where you want 
to spend the money.  :)


Cheers,

...scott


On 5/18/12 9:48 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) wrote:

Hmmm ... I may have been quite unclear in my question, since I am a DITA novice!

The reason I asked is that the Adobe web site has a FrameMaker 9 Plug-in for DITA 
Open Toolkit here:

http://www.adobe.com/devnet/framemaker/fm9_opentoolkit.html

But I don't see an equivalent for FM 10 ... at least, not that I could find!

What does the FM 9 plug-in for DITA do ? I.e., what is different in FM 10 that it does 
not need a similar Plug-in?

BTW, thanks for helping this complete DITA novice here! I learn so much from 
this list all the time ... :)

Z

-Original Message-
From: Writer [mailto:generic...@yahoo.ca]
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 9:05 AM
To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net); Scott 
Prentice;framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Resources to help a newbie create DITA documents in FrameMaker 10

It's built into FM 10 as it was built in to FM 9. You have to switch to the 
structured interface to see it (File  Preferences  General). I don't have 
very much experience with FM 10, but if you want to use DITA 1.2, the underlying 
templates and EDDs are different than FM 9. Someone more knowledgeable than I am 
about FM 10 might have more to say about that.

Nadine



- Original Message -

From: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
syed.hos...@aeris.net
To: Writergeneric...@yahoo.ca; Scott Prentice
s...@leximation.com;framers@lists.frameusers.com
framers@lists.frameusers.com
Cc:
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 11:45:29 AM
Subject: RE: Resources to help a newbie create DITA documents in
FrameMaker 10

Hi, Nadine, Scott, et. al.

A question for users of FrameMaker 10 ... is the DITA support built-in
to this version, or is there a separate plug-in for it (like was
released by Adobe for FrameMaker 9)?

If it is a plug-in still, does anyone have a link for it? I searched
the Adobe web site and did not find it ... may not have looked carefully enough.

Thanks!

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Writer
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 6:04 PM
To: Scott Prentice;framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Resources to help a newbie create DITA documents in
FrameMaker 10




The problem is that creating a DITA project in FrameMaker is

   really no different than doing that in any other XML authoring
   tool. You do need to understand the structured FrameMaker UI,
but
   DITA is DITA regardless of the tool.


Agreed. What might be particular to FM is how to create output such as
PDFs, the topic templates, and the EDD (and perhaps some of its quirks
with how it handles attribute filtering).


I recommend this book for becoming familiar with DITA:
http://comtech-serv.com//index.php?main_page=product_infocPath=28_3p
roducts_id=10

Nadine




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Resources to help a newbie create DITA documents in FrameMaker 10

[Jim Owens]

In case no one else has mentioned it, you can also use DITA2Go as an 
alternative to the DITA-OT (or Flare or RoboHelp).  It's free, and it's 
highly configurable. The learning curve is not as steep as for the 
DITA-OT, especially for those familiar with its sister product Mif2Go, 
and the documentation, for those who want to learn, is much more extensive.

On 2012-05-18 13:01, Scott Prentice wrote:
> To step back a bit .. the DITA-OT is a library of XSLT and Java code 
> that lets you create may types of output (HTML, CHM, Eclipse Help, 
> Java Help, PDF, etc.). Yes, it's free and can be used to create all 
> sorts of output from DITA, but it can be a fair amount of work to set 
> up and make things look the way you want. If you're using Frame for 
> authoring DITA, there's really no reason to use the OT for creating 
> PDFs (it's way more work and the results are far from stellar) .. 
> however, it can be a good option for online output *if* you're willing 
> to do the coding to make things work the way you want. It is likely to 
> be easier to use RoboHelp (or Flare) to create the online output, but 
> then you're paying for a proprietary tool. You decide where you want 
> to spend the money.  :)
>
> Cheers,
>
> ...scott
>
>
> On 5/18/12 9:48 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net) wrote:
>> Hmmm ... I may have been quite unclear in my question, since I am a DITA 
>> novice!
>>
>> The reason I asked is that the Adobe web site has a "FrameMaker 9 Plug-in 
>> for DITA Open Toolkit" here:
>>
>> http://www.adobe.com/devnet/framemaker/fm9_opentoolkit.html
>>
>> But I don't see an equivalent for FM 10 ... at least, not that I could find!
>>
>> What does the FM 9 plug-in for DITA do ? I.e., what is different in FM 10 
>> that it does not need a similar "Plug-in"?
>>
>> BTW, thanks for helping this complete DITA novice here! I learn so much from 
>> this list all the time ... :)
>>
>> Z
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Writer [mailto:generic668 at yahoo.ca]
>> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 9:05 AM
>> To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net); Scott Prentice;framers at 
>> lists.frameusers.com
>> Subject: Re: Resources to help a newbie create DITA documents in FrameMaker 
>> 10
>>
>> It's built into FM 10 as it was built in to FM 9. You have to switch to the 
>> structured interface to see it (File>  Preferences>  General). I don't have 
>> very much experience with FM 10, but if you want to use DITA 1.2, the 
>> underlying templates and EDDs are different than FM 9. Someone more 
>> knowledgeable than I am about FM 10 might have more to say about that.
>>
>> Nadine
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net)"
>>> 
>>> To: Writer; Scott Prentice
>>> ;"framers at lists.frameusers.com"
>>> 
>>> Cc:
>>> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 11:45:29 AM
>>> Subject: RE: Resources to help a newbie create DITA documents in
>>> FrameMaker 10
>>>
>>> Hi, Nadine, Scott, et. al.
>>>
>>> A question for users of FrameMaker 10 ... is the DITA support built-in
>>> to this version, or is there a separate plug-in for it (like was
>>> released by Adobe for FrameMaker 9)?
>>>
>>> If it is a plug-in still, does anyone have a link for it? I searched
>>> the Adobe web site and did not find it ... may not have looked carefully 
>>> enough.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Z
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
>>> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Writer
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 6:04 PM
>>> To: Scott Prentice;framers at lists.frameusers.com
>>> Subject: Re: Resources to help a newbie create DITA documents in
>>> FrameMaker 10
>>>
>>>
>>>
 The problem is that "creating a DITA project" in FrameMaker is
>>>really no different than doing that in any other XML authoring
>>>tool. You do need to understand the structured FrameMaker UI,
>>> but
>>>DITA is DITA regardless of the tool.
>>>
>>>
>>> Agreed. What might be particular to FM is how to create output such as
>>> PDFs, the topic templates, and the EDD (and perhaps some of its quirks
>>> with how it handles attribute filtering).
>>>
>>>
>>> I recommend this book for becoming familiar with DITA:
>>> http://comtech-serv.com//index.php?main_page=product_info=28_3
>>> roducts_id=10
>>>
>>> Nadine
>>>
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Re: Save as HTML causes unstructured FM10 to hang

[Jim Owens]

If the book is smallish, why not just CTRL-A CTRL-C CTRL-V all the 
chapters into a single Frame file?


On 2012-04-20 14:25, John Sgammato wrote:


I am trying to save a smallish book as HTML. I have done the HTML 
setup utility bit and copied the reference pages across the files in 
the book.


But when I save as HTML, FM chugs for a bit, then hangs.

The book is well-formed, with no unresolved x-refs, etc.

Any idea what I'm doing wrong?

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If the book is smallish, why not just CTRL-A CTRL-C CTRL-V all the 
chapters into a single Frame file?

On 2012-04-20 14:25, John Sgammato wrote:
>
> I am trying to save a smallish book as HTML. I have done the HTML 
> setup utility bit and copied the reference pages across the files in 
> the book.
>
> But when I save as HTML, FM chugs for a bit, then hangs.
>
> The book is well-formed, with no unresolved x-refs, etc.
>
> Any idea what I'm doing wrong?
>
> john
>
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Re: DITA file naming conventions

[Jim Owens]

   As far as possible, make sure the file name matches the title of 
the topic. So if your topic is Inserting the Widget then your file 
name would be inserting_the_widget.xml. I realize this may cause 
problems later if the title changes, but that doesn't happen often and 
you can usually make the change to the file name without too much hassle 
(changing it in ditamaps, etc.).



Since this has come up, I was wondering if any DITA-aware CMS offerings 
can present the topic title or map title for selection by the user, 
instead of the file name.  This would support the use of GUIDs for the 
file names, which would guarantee uniqueness, and allow users to adjust 
titles without having to manage ditamaps, related-links, or xrefs.


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[Jim Owens]

For what it's worth, the DITA Style Guide recommends using names that 
match the titles.


 It also recommends using the extensions .dita and .ditamap, instead of 
.xml. That way, you have more control over which tool opens the file, 
and you can distinguish the files from other xml files used in DITA.


On 2011-11-03 15:02, Roger Shuttleworth wrote:

Hi Jim

You make a good point about updating xrefs and related-links, as well 
as ditamaps, when a file name changes.


I have made good use of the map checking function in oXygen Author. 
You open the map in Author, then run it through an automated checking 
routine that will point out any problems such as missing files or 
inappropriate href values.


I sent a follow-up message to the original poster correcting my 
recommendation to use folders named according to deliverables. I meant 
to recommend using the product name, not the deliverable. Different 
deliverables are created from a single pool of files, using different 
maps; or perhaps using the same map filtered by ditaval.


Thanks for your tip about GUIDs too. I will look more into that.

Roger Shuttleworth
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Re: OT: Scary responsibility in job ad

[Jim Owens]

I'm seeing some interest in this kind of thing from our local Agile 
Scrum Master. There aren't enough writers to go to all the scrums , so 
(the thinking goes) maybe the engineers could create some content, which 
the writers could edit.


On 2011-10-06 12:51, Writer wrote:
A local company listed this as one of the responsibilities in a job ad 
for a technical writer:


coach engineers to improve their writing skills

It makes me laugh and cringe in equal measures.

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Re: Space at beginning of title

[Jim Owens]

1. Save as MIF.
2. Open MIF file in text editor.
3. Replace String `  with String ` (without the double quotes).  
Note that the opening single quote character is `, not '.


This will remove leading spaces anywhere they're found.  It shouldn't 
cause any problems, but have a backup in case.



On 2010-12-16 09:39, Stephen O'Brien wrote:

Hi,

We have redefined our title paragraph formats and the space that was 
entered manually is now included in the numbering scheme.


Result, additional space at the beginning of all titles (hundreds of 
them, of course).


Cannot find successful search  replace scheme that works.

Any ideas on how to solve this (I have Framescript if you know of any 
script that does this).


Thanks and have a good day.

Stephen O'Brien

Stephen O'Brien
Coordonnateur à la documentation / Documentation Coordinator
Rédacteur technique senior / Senior Technical Writer
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Hold that advice!  MIF sometimes includes word spaces at the start of a 
string segment.


On 2010-12-16 10:28, Jim Owens wrote:

1. Save as MIF.
2. Open MIF file in text editor.
3. Replace String `  with String ` (without the double quotes).  
Note that the opening single quote character is `, not '.


This will remove leading spaces anywhere they're found.  It shouldn't 
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1. Save as MIF.
2. Open MIF file in text editor.
3. Replace " Hi,
>
> We have redefined our title paragraph formats and the space that was 
> entered manually is now included in the numbering scheme.
>
> Result, additional space at the beginning of all titles (hundreds of 
> them, of course).
>
> Cannot find successful search & replace scheme that works.
>
> Any ideas on how to solve this (I have Framescript if you know of any 
> script that does this).
>
> Thanks and have a good day.
>
> Stephen O'Brien
>
> Stephen O'Brien
> Coordonnateur ? la documentation / Documentation Coordinator
> R?dacteur technique senior / Senior Technical Writer
> InnovMetric Logiciels inc. / InnovMetric Software Inc.
> 2014, Cyrille-Duquet, suite 310
> Qu?bec (Qu?bec) Canada G1N 4N6
>

Space at beginning of title

[Jim Owens]

Hold that advice!  MIF sometimes includes word spaces at the start of a 
string segment.

On 2010-12-16 10:28, Jim Owens wrote:
> 1. Save as MIF.
> 2. Open MIF file in text editor.
> 3. Replace " Note that the opening single quote character is `, not '.
>
> This will remove leading spaces anywhere they're found.  It shouldn't 
> cause any problems, but have a backup in case.
>

Re: FrameMaker and RoboHelp

[Jim Owens]

Adobe has a FrameMaker Integration Forum for FM-RoboHelp issues.

http://forums.adobe.com/community/robohelp/robohelp_framemaker

On 2010-11-01 13:01, Martha Lee wrote:

Hi All,

I'm looking for some resources to learn how to use RoboHelp with FrameMaker. 
(...)



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[Jim Owens]

Adobe has a FrameMaker Integration Forum for FM-RoboHelp issues.

http://forums.adobe.com/community/robohelp/robohelp_framemaker

On 2010-11-01 13:01, Martha Lee wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I'm looking for some resources to learn how to use RoboHelp with FrameMaker. 
> (...)

Re: off topic: e-drawings, eps files, frame and pdf

[Jim Owens]

 For what it's worth, I worked with the Solidworks free viewer, and it 
seemed pretty powerful, although not very intuitive. After playing 
around with it for a couple of hours, I was able to create narrow 
sections to isolate the views I wanted.  From a single 3D Solidworks 
file, I was able to create front- and rear-view PDFs of different sizes 
(250 KB and 150 KB, respectively), so presumably some of the original 
elements were removed from the final vector files.


On 2010-10-18 13:19, Alison Craig wrote:

Jo:

According to my mechanical designer (Alex has been great - teaching me about 
what I can do via AI with his SolidWorks stuff) there is pretty much *zero* 
work involved for the engineers to Save As an AI file (or a DWG file if your 
SoildWorks is older than the 2009 version) when they Save As to an EASM file.

Is there a company protocol that forbids saving as an AI or DWG?

If not, I highly suggest you try to get the engineer to spend an extra few 
seconds getting you what the user/customer needs - maybe bribe him with some 
doughnuts or muffins ;-)).

In the past, I've had to use non-vector SolidWorks images and *no one* has been 
happy with the results.

Alison

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Thanks everybody for lots of advice and suggestions.

We don't have access to Solidworks itself, only the 3D e-drawing (.easm)
that is supplied by the project engineer. We use the Solidworks
eDrawings Viewer to manipulate the model to get the illustration that we
need. Unfortunately, if we want to export a vector, its 'all or nothing'
- which is probably why the resulting image renders so slowly on screen.


I agree that in a perfect world the engineer would create all the
illustrations we need as 2D PDFs directly from Solidworks; or we would
have another Solidworks licence so that we could do it ourselves.  In
our imperfect world, we have to make do with the eDrawing.

I've concluded its best to use a bitmap wherever possible, and a vector
only when absolutely necessary.

Cheers,
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off topic: e-drawings, eps files, frame and pdf

[Jim Owens]

  For what it's worth, I worked with the Solidworks free viewer, and it 
seemed pretty powerful, although not very intuitive. After playing 
around with it for a couple of hours, I was able to create narrow 
sections to isolate the views I wanted.  From a single 3D Solidworks 
file, I was able to create front- and rear-view PDFs of different sizes 
(250 KB and 150 KB, respectively), so presumably some of the original 
elements were removed from the final vector files.

On 2010-10-18 13:19, Alison Craig wrote:
> Jo:
>
> According to my mechanical designer (Alex has been great - teaching me about 
> what I can do via AI with his SolidWorks stuff) there is pretty much *zero* 
> work involved for the engineers to Save As an AI file (or a DWG file if your 
> SoildWorks is older than the 2009 version) when they Save As to an EASM file.
>
> Is there a company protocol that forbids saving as an AI or DWG?
>
> If not, I highly suggest you try to get the engineer to spend an extra few 
> seconds getting you what the user/customer needs - maybe bribe him with some 
> doughnuts or muffins ;-)).
>
> In the past, I've had to use non-vector SolidWorks images and *no one* has 
> been happy with the results.
>
> Alison
>
> Alison Craig, Technical Writer
> Ultrasonix Medical Corporation
> Tel: (604) 279-8550, ext 127
> E-mail: alison.craig at ultrasonix.com
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> lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jo Watkiss
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 2:28 AM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: off topic: e-drawings, eps files, frame and pdf
>
> Thanks everybody for lots of advice and suggestions.
>
> We don't have access to Solidworks itself, only the 3D e-drawing (.easm)
> that is supplied by the project engineer. We use the Solidworks
> eDrawings Viewer to manipulate the model to get the illustration that we
> need. Unfortunately, if we want to export a vector, its 'all or nothing'
> - which is probably why the resulting image renders so slowly on screen.
>
>
> I agree that in a perfect world the engineer would create all the
> illustrations we need as 2D PDFs directly from Solidworks; or we would
> have another Solidworks licence so that we could do it ourselves.  In
> our imperfect world, we have to make do with the eDrawing.
>
> I've concluded its best to use a bitmap wherever possible, and a vector
> only when absolutely necessary.
>
> Cheers,
> Jo
>
>
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Re: off topic: e-drawings, eps files, frame and pdf

[Jim Owens]

 I had to bring in a Solidworks file for an illustration recently. I 
tried it a few ways. If I recall correctly, I ended up printing from 
Solidworks to Adobe PDF. In my case, I had to open the PDF in 
Illustrator for some edits and then save it again as PDF. Then I brought 
the PDF into the Frame doc.


I don't notice any delay when viewing a PDF of the document created from 
Frame, but  then I don't think the document is as complex. I used a 
section view of the 3D Solidworks object.


On 2010-10-15 06:04, Jo Watkiss wrote:

Framers,  I know this is way off topic - but knowing how much knowledge
there is on here, I'm hoping somebody can point me to a good resource or
forum to help.



I'm trying to get vector images from Solidworks e-drawings into
FrameMaker and then to PDF.  However in the resulting PDF, the vectors
draw so slowly on the page that it is causing problems for our readers.




The path we are taking is:

Print from e-drawings to .ps file

Open .ps file in CorelDraw and save as .eps (or .wmf or .pdf - the end
result is the same)

Import .eps into Frame and then make PDF as normal



I think the source of the problem is the original .ps files, because
they are so complex (some images have 38,000+ objects in them).



If anybody knows how I can achieve better results, or can direct me to a
more appropriate forum or user group, I'd be very grateful.



Thanks,

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[Jim Owens]

  I had to bring in a Solidworks file for an illustration recently. I 
tried it a few ways. If I recall correctly, I ended up printing from 
Solidworks to Adobe PDF. In my case, I had to open the PDF in 
Illustrator for some edits and then save it again as PDF. Then I brought 
the PDF into the Frame doc.

I don't notice any delay when viewing a PDF of the document created from 
Frame, but  then I don't think the document is as complex. I used a 
section view of the 3D Solidworks object.

On 2010-10-15 06:04, Jo Watkiss wrote:
> Framers,  I know this is way off topic - but knowing how much knowledge
> there is on here, I'm hoping somebody can point me to a good resource or
> forum to help.
>
>
>
> I'm trying to get vector images from Solidworks e-drawings into
> FrameMaker and then to PDF.  However in the resulting PDF, the vectors
> draw so slowly on the page that it is causing problems for our readers.
>
>
>
>
> The path we are taking is:
>
> Print from e-drawings to .ps file
>
> Open .ps file in CorelDraw and save as .eps (or .wmf or .pdf - the end
> result is the same)
>
> Import .eps into Frame and then make PDF as normal
>
>
>
> I think the source of the problem is the original .ps files, because
> they are so complex (some images have 38,000+ objects in them).
>
>
>
> If anybody knows how I can achieve better results, or can direct me to a
> more appropriate forum or user group, I'd be very grateful.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jo Watkiss
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Pgf numbering strangeness

[Jim Owens]

Finding rogue paragraph numbering can be a little less tedious if you 
save as MIF, open the MIF in a text editor, and search for PgfAutoNum 
Yes or PgfNumFormat tags.


Fred Ridder wrote:

. . .
What Cynthia needs to look for is rogue paragraphs that increment the first counter in the S: numbering series, possibly without actually displaying any numbering in the text of the document. Unfortunately, that process can be extremely tedious, particularly if there are a lot of paragraph styles in the catalog or if there are a lot of paragraphs that have overrides since the numbering properties of each of these has to be examined individually. . . 
  


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[Jim Owens]

Finding rogue paragraph numbering can be a little less tedious if you 
save as MIF, open the MIF in a text editor, and search for  or PgfNumFormat tags.

Fred Ridder wrote:
> . . .
> What Cynthia needs to look for is rogue paragraphs that increment the first 
> counter in the "S:" numbering series, possibly without actually displaying 
> any numbering in the text of the document. Unfortunately, that process can be 
> extremely tedious, particularly if there are a lot of paragraph styles in the 
> catalog or if there are a lot of paragraphs that have overrides since the 
> numbering properties of each of these has to be examined individually. . . 
>   

Re: Online help generator using FM8

[Jim Owens]

Besides Webworks Publisher, other options include Mif2Go (which we use) 
-- fast, powerful, highly configurable, extensively documented, and 
reasonably priced, but  better for those with some scripting or 
programming experience; and Adobe RoboHelp (included with FrameMaker in 
Adobe's Technical Suite for Communications) -- intended for easy 
integration, but not as flexible as the other two.


Stalwarts wrote:

Hi -
Can you list me the popular publishing tools for Online help generation
using Framemaker 8?

- Nithin
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Online help generator using FM8

[Jim Owens]

Besides Webworks Publisher, other options include Mif2Go (which we use) 
-- fast, powerful, highly configurable, extensively documented, and 
reasonably priced, but  better for those with some scripting or 
programming experience; and Adobe RoboHelp (included with FrameMaker in 
Adobe's Technical Suite for Communications) -- intended for easy 
integration, but not as flexible as the other two.

Stalwarts wrote:
> Hi -
> Can you list me the popular publishing tools for Online help generation
> using Framemaker 8?
>
> - Nithin
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Re: Mif2Go exclude page numbers from x-refs?

[Jim Owens]

You need to set up an FM template with different cross-reference 
definitions, and then instruct Mif2Go to use that template.


John Sgammato wrote:

I am generating online OmniHelp from FM9 files. The X-refs in the
manuals say See x on page .
I want to keep the  and lose the on page . 
I know it can be done - I have done it before, but I don't remember how!



John Sgammato
Imprivata
Principal Technical Writer
(O) 781-674-2441 
(H) 508-747-2809



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Mif2Go exclude page numbers from x-refs?

[Jim Owens]

You need to set up an FM template with different cross-reference 
definitions, and then instruct Mif2Go to use that template.

John Sgammato wrote:
> I am generating online OmniHelp from FM9 files. The X-refs in the
> manuals say See "x on page ".
> I want to keep the  and lose the "on page ". 
> I know it can be done - I have done it before, but I don't remember how!
>
>
> John Sgammato
> Imprivata
> Principal Technical Writer
> (O) 781-674-2441 
> (H) 508-747-2809
>
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>   - see product demos and learn how
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Re: RoboHelp Help

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Tony Marek wrote:
 Does anyone know if there is a similar RoboHelp mailing list? 
There is a browser-based Adobe user-to-user forum; also one for the 
TCS.. I found both helpful when I was evaluating RoboHelp.

http://forums.adobe.com/community/robohelp
http://forums.adobe.com/community/technical_communications_suite


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RoboHelp Help

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Tony Marek wrote:
> Does anyone know if there is a similar RoboHelp mailing list? 
There is a browser-based Adobe user-to-user forum; also one for the 
TCS.. I found both helpful when I was evaluating RoboHelp.

http://forums.adobe.com/community/robohelp
http://forums.adobe.com/community/technical_communications_suite

Re: How to find Unavailable Fonts

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syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote:
 I saved those two files in MIF format and searched for FFamily and
 only see the following unique entries for font familes:

   
That search may not have been definitive. According to the MIF Reference 
(MIF Document Statements  Character Formats  PgfFont and Font 
statements  Font name),

a Framemaker product identifies the fonrt in one or more of the 
following ways

referring to the statements FPlatformName, FFamily, and FPostcriptName. 
Perhaps the missing name is referenced in another statement.





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How to find "Unavailable Fonts"

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Syed.Hosain at aeris.net wrote:
> I saved those two files in MIF format and searched for "FFamily" and
> only see the following unique entries for font familes:
>
>   
That search may not have been definitive. According to the MIF Reference 
(MIF Document Statements > Character Formats > PgfFont and Font 
statements > Font name),

"a Framemaker product identifies the fonrt in one or more of the 
following ways"

referring to the statements FPlatformName, FFamily, and FPostcriptName. 
Perhaps the missing name is referenced in another statement.

Re: Switching to RoboHelp for large-scale Frame-to-HTML Help Project

[Jim Owens]

Lots of time might be overstating it. Every new tool requires time to 
learn and set up.  Getting working help from Mif2Go doesn't take very 
long at all -- maybe a couple of days to figure out what you need to do, 
and then do it. Customizing the output to your presferences takes 
longer. With Mif2GO you do have scripting options, so you can take your 
customizations as far as you want -- which needs time, it's true.

I agree that Mif2GO requires a better grasp of CSS and HTML. If you're a 
documentation professional charged with generating Help, you should be 
familiar with these technologies.


Matt Sullivan wrote:
 If you have lots of time, but little budget (and a bit of inner-techie),
 MIF2GO seems to be quite an elegant solution. 
   


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Re: Switching to RoboHelp for large-scale Frame-to-HTML Help Project

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I'll second that. It's well worth looking at.

(another satisified Mif2Go customer)

David Spreadbury wrote:
 Well, I will jump in and ask why not try Mif2Go. Book size doesn't matter.
 Should handle all your context sensitive requirements without a problem.
 Assistance, if needed, is an email away with usual response in 24 hours.
 Price is nice, $300/seat, compared to TCS or WWP.

   

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I'll second that. It's well worth looking at.

(another satisified Mif2Go customer)

David Spreadbury wrote:
> Well, I will jump in and ask why not try Mif2Go. Book size doesn't matter.
> Should handle all your context sensitive requirements without a problem.
> Assistance, if needed, is an email away with usual response in 24 hours.
> Price is nice, $300/seat, compared to TCS or WWP.
>
>   

Re: How to create CHM from NDOC

[Jim Owens]

Do you have to use NDOC?  Most people now use Sandcastle to process .NET 
code comments into Help.

Nidhi Bansal wrote:
 Hi,

 I have to create CHM file of the .Net code comments taking NDoc3 2.0 as a
 code documentation generator tool. Can anyone provide me with the steps of
 how to create the CHM? I tried searching on Google but did find the exact
 steps.

 Regards,
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How to create CHM from NDOC

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Do you have to use NDOC?  Most people now use Sandcastle to process .NET 
code comments into Help.

Nidhi Bansal wrote:
> Hi,
>
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> code documentation generator tool. Can anyone provide me with the steps of
> how to create the CHM? I tried searching on Google but did find the exact
> steps.
>
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Mif2Go: LOT and LOF accessible by search in HTML Help output

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This is a weird one -- any clues would be appreciated.

I'm generating HTML Help using Mif2GO and two conditionalized Frame 9 
books. I don't want the LOT or LOF in the outputs, so I've set 
UseFrameGenFiles=No.

Nevertheless, when I search for terms such as figure or table in the 
Help, the returned list of topics may or may not include a List of 
Figures or List of Tables chapter. For one of the books, this does not 
happen at all. For the oher book, if I set conditions one way, I see the 
LOT in the output but not the LOF; if I set them another way, I see the 
LOF but not the LOT.

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Re: Mif2Go: LOT and LOF accessible by search in HTML Help output

[Jim Owens]

That's a useful workaround, but the LOT and LOF shouldn't show up in the 
output, and usually they don't.

Whatever caused the problem, it may have gone away. The output folders 
contain HTML files for the LOT or LOF, and these files are picked up by 
the HHP project, but the LOT and LOF files have an older date. At some 
point they were generated, but they're no longer being generated. They 
were just never removed from the output directory.

I'll put it down to a user error of some sort, delete them, and hope 
they don't get generated again somehow.



David Spreadbury wrote:
 Jim,
 Just remove the generated files from the book before setting up Mif2Go.
 Mif2Go can create the generated files selected if you so choose in the setup
 dialog.

 The only caveat, if you are working with the sole set of source files, is
 not to save the book when you are done. I always work with a copy of the
 source, in the event I forgot that last step.

 David Spreadbury
 Sr. Technical Writer


   

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Re: Mif2Go: LOT and LOF accessible by search in HTML Help output

[Jim Owens]

I suspect that while fumbling around in the new FM9 interface, I 
accidentally generated Mif2Go output for the LOF and LOT instead of the 
book.

I can never tell what's selected in this interface. Am I the only one?


Jim Owens wrote:

 I'll put it down to a user error of some sort, delete them, and hope 
 they don't get generated again somehow.
   


   

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Mif2Go: LOT and LOF accessible by search in HTML Help output

[Jim Owens]

This is a weird one -- any clues would be appreciated.

I'm generating HTML Help using Mif2GO and two conditionalized Frame 9 
books. I don't want the LOT or LOF in the outputs, so I've set 
UseFrameGenFiles=No.

Nevertheless, when I search for terms such as "figure" or "table" in the 
Help, the returned list of topics may or may not include a List of 
Figures or List of Tables chapter. For one of the books, this does not 
happen at all. For the oher book, if I set conditions one way, I see the 
LOT in the output but not the LOF; if I set them another way, I see the 
LOF but not the LOT.

Any ideas?

Mif2Go: LOT and LOF accessible by search in HTML Help output

[Jim Owens]

That's a useful workaround, but the LOT and LOF shouldn't show up in the 
output, and usually they don't.

Whatever caused the problem, it may have gone away. The output folders 
contain HTML files for the LOT or LOF, and these files are picked up by 
the HHP project, but the LOT and LOF files have an older date. At some 
point they were generated, but they're no longer being generated. They 
were just never removed from the output directory.

I'll put it down to a user error of some sort, delete them, and hope 
they don't get generated again somehow.



David Spreadbury wrote:
> Jim,
> Just remove the generated files from the book before setting up Mif2Go.
> Mif2Go can create the generated files selected if you so choose in the setup
> dialog.
>
> The only caveat, if you are working with the sole set of source files, is
> not to save the book when you are done. I always work with a copy of the
> source, in the event I forgot that last step.
>
> David Spreadbury
> Sr. Technical Writer
>
>
>   

Mif2Go: LOT and LOF accessible by search in HTML Help output

[Jim Owens]

I suspect that while fumbling around in the new FM9 interface, I 
accidentally generated Mif2Go output for the LOF and LOT instead of the 
book.

I can never tell what's selected in this interface. Am I the only one?


Jim Owens wrote:
>
> I'll put it down to a user error of some sort, delete them, and hope 
> they don't get generated again somehow.
>   
>
>
>   

Re: Mif2Go graphics question

[Jim Owens]

I have no idea whether it will make a difference, but your 
GraphCopyFiles statement has a space following the equals sign. Have you 
tried removing it?

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Re: Mif2Go graphics question

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Jeremy H. Griffith wrote:

 Also, if you use StripGraphPath=No, and don't set a GraphPath, you
 are saying to preserve the original paths from the Frame files.
 Those are unlikely to work.  If you are putting the graphics in
 the same dir as the HTML, you definitely want StripGraphPath=Yes.

   
Hi, Martha. No one seems to have followed up Jeremy's remark about 
GraphPath.  It's supposed to default to the value of WrapPath, but I 
infer that if StripGraphPath-No, it might get the original path as a 
value. This is all rather hazy for me. In a case like this, I'd set 
GraphPath explicitly just to see what happens.

Section 33.51 says you can also use relative or absolute paths in the 
GraphCopyFiles statement. That also  might be worth a try, again just to 
see what happens..
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Mif2Go graphics question

[Jim Owens]

I have no idea whether it will make a difference, but your 
GraphCopyFiles statement has a space following the equals sign. Have you 
tried removing it?

Mif2Go graphics question

[Jim Owens]

Jeremy H. Griffith wrote:
>
> Also, if you use StripGraphPath=No, and don't set a GraphPath, you
> are saying to preserve the original paths from the Frame files.
> Those are unlikely to work.  If you are putting the graphics in
> the same dir as the HTML, you definitely want StripGraphPath=Yes.
>
>   
Hi, Martha. No one seems to have followed up Jeremy's remark about 
GraphPath.  It's supposed to default to the value of WrapPath, but I 
infer that if StripGraphPath-No, it might get the original path as a 
value. This is all rather hazy for me. In a case like this, I'd set 
GraphPath explicitly just to see what happens.

Section 33.51 says you can also use relative or absolute paths in the 
GraphCopyFiles statement. That also  might be worth a try, again just to 
see what happens..

Mif2Go: adding watermark to CHM

[Jim Owens]

I'm trying to add a draft watermark to our CHM output.

Following the CSS method described in the Mif2GO documentation (Section 
22.11), I've succeeded in adding a watermark to the HTML files, as 
viewed in Internet Explorer. However, the watermark does not appear in 
the CHM topics.

A quick Internet search turns up nothing about this. What am I missing?


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Re: Mif2Go: adding watermark to CHM

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(an update - also posting to Omsys list)

When I compile the HTML files from HTML Help Workshop:

- if a single topic has a body background=draft.jpg markup, then in 
the CHM, that topic has the background image, tiled, and all the other 
topics have the background image, non-tiled and centred as specified in 
the CSS file.

- if no topics have a body background=draft.jpg markup, then the CHM 
does not have any background images, even though the CSS specifies one.

Fully repeatable, and at this point Mif2Go is not involved. Have I 
discovered a new Help Compiler bug, or is there still something I'm missing?


Jim Owens wrote:
 I'm trying to add a draft watermark to our CHM output.
 
 Following the CSS method described in the Mif2GO documentation (Section 
 22.11), I've succeeded in adding a watermark to the HTML files, as 
 viewed in Internet Explorer. However, the watermark does not appear in 
 the CHM topics.
 
 A quick Internet search turns up nothing about this. What am I missing?

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Mif2Go: adding watermark to CHM

[Jim Owens]

I'm trying to add a "draft" watermark to our CHM output.

Following the CSS method described in the Mif2GO documentation (Section 
22.11), I've succeeded in adding a watermark to the HTML files, as 
viewed in Internet Explorer. However, the watermark does not appear in 
the CHM topics.

A quick Internet search turns up nothing about this. What am I missing?

Mif2Go: adding watermark to CHM

[Jim Owens]

(an update - also posting to Omsys list)

When I compile the HTML files from HTML Help Workshop:

- if a single topic has a  markup, then in 
the CHM, that topic has the background image, tiled, and all the other 
topics have the background image, non-tiled and centred as specified in 
the CSS file.

- if no topics have a  markup, then the CHM 
does not have any background images, even though the CSS specifies one.

Fully repeatable, and at this point Mif2Go is not involved. Have I 
discovered a new Help Compiler bug, or is there still something I'm missing?


Jim Owens wrote:
> I'm trying to add a "draft" watermark to our CHM output.
> 
> Following the CSS method described in the Mif2GO documentation (Section 
> 22.11), I've succeeded in adding a watermark to the HTML files, as 
> viewed in Internet Explorer. However, the watermark does not appear in 
> the CHM topics.
> 
> A quick Internet search turns up nothing about this. What am I missing?

Mif2Go: adding watermark to CHM

[Jim Owens]

That works!  Thank you.


Mike Feimster wrote:
> Jim,
> 
> Edit the .hhp file in a text editor, add draft.jpg to the files section,
> and then compile in HTML Help Workshop. 
> 
> Mike
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jim Owens
> Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 3:51 PM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; framers at omsys.com
> Subject: Re: Mif2Go: adding watermark to CHM
> 
> (an update - also posting to Omsys list)
> 
> When I compile the HTML files from HTML Help Workshop:
> 
> - if a single topic has a  markup, then in 
> the CHM, that topic has the background image, tiled, and all the other 
> topics have the background image, non-tiled and centred as specified in 
> the CSS file.
> 
> - if no topics have a  markup, then the CHM
> 
> does not have any background images, even though the CSS specifies one.
> 
> Fully repeatable, and at this point Mif2Go is not involved. Have I 
> discovered a new Help Compiler bug, or is there still something I'm
> missing?
> 
> 
> Jim Owens wrote:
>> I'm trying to add a "draft" watermark to our CHM output.
>>
>> Following the CSS method described in the Mif2GO documentation
> (Section 
>> 22.11), I've succeeded in adding a watermark to the HTML files, as 
>> viewed in Internet Explorer. However, the watermark does not appear in
> 
>> the CHM topics.
>>
>> A quick Internet search turns up nothing about this. What am I
> missing?
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Saving conditional Boolean expressions?

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Is there a way in FM8 or FM9 to save and re-use conditional expressions 
created using the Build expression dialog box?

I'm using FM8 and I can't find a way to do this. I'm hoping the 
capability has been added for FM9.



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Saving conditional Boolean expressions?

[Jim Owens]

Is there a way in FM8 or FM9 to save and re-use conditional expressions 
created using the "Build expression" dialog box?

I'm using FM8 and I can't find a way to do this. I'm hoping the 
capability has been added for FM9.

Re: French Language Challenge

[Jim Owens]

In Frame, each paragraph tag has a designated language (on the Default 
Fonts page of the Paragraph Designer).  If I recall correctly,
the spell-checker for that language is applied.


marc.creag...@sympatico.ca wrote:
 Hi Everybody,
 
 I am working on Windows XP, FrameMaker 8 unstructured on a Dell Inspiron 6000 
 laptop.
 
 I was having some challenges with accents in my document but I got them 
 working. 
 
 I was copying and pasting from the character map in order to get those 
 letters. Now even though I have set the language to French Canadian, I cannot 
 get the Spelling Checker to work.
 
 Anyone have any thoughts on how to resolve this challenge?
 
 Thanks in advance for your help.
 
 Marc Creaghan

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French Language Challenge

[Jim Owens]

In Frame, each paragraph tag has a designated language (on the Default 
Fonts page of the Paragraph Designer).  If I recall correctly,
the spell-checker for that language is applied.


marc.creaghan at sympatico.ca wrote:
> Hi Everybody,
> 
> I am working on Windows XP, FrameMaker 8 unstructured on a Dell Inspiron 6000 
> laptop.
> 
> I was having some challenges with accents in my document but I got them 
> working. 
> 
> I was copying and pasting from the character map in order to get those 
> letters. Now even though I have set the language to French Canadian, I cannot 
> get the Spelling Checker to work.
> 
> Anyone have any thoughts on how to resolve this challenge?
> 
> Thanks in advance for your help.
> 
> Marc Creaghan

Re: I need a Word to Frame dictionary

[Jim Owens]

In Frame, you don't have to worry too much about this. You just set up 
the table to have so many header rows, and they show up on subsequent pages.

It sounds like you are in the paradigm-shift phase, where you have a 
certain conception of how to do things, Frame isn't living up to them, 
and you are getting annoyed with Frame. I know this always happens to me 
when I learn a new tool!

Stay with it. But when you get to autonumbering, remember -- we're here!



Eva Whitley wrote:
 Probably doesn't exist but it would make my life easier if I could ask 
 in Help and question using Word terms like:
 
 How do I get the header row to repeat on each page?
 
 Which Word translates to mean: Repeat a table heading on subsequent pages
 
 But the same phrase Repeat a table heading on subsequent pages
 
 Typed in the search box yields the source topic: Placing graphics in 
 table cells
 
 And asking Frame directly: How do I get the header row to repeat on 
 each page?
 
 Yields: No topics found.
 
 And the answer might be under FrameMaker tables but if it is, I can't 
 figure out if it applies to elements for structural tables and table 
 parts, and the help is fairly incomprehensible for a noob like me.
 
 I'm sure it's fairly easy but it's not intuitive to me, and it can be 
 daunting to know how to easily do something in Word and be unable to 
 describe that concept in terms Frame can understand.
 
 I'm running Frame8, and I have Classroom in a Book, but a good chunk of 
 what it covers isn't applicable to what we do.
 
 Does anyone one else have this problem or is everyone here a guru?
 

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In Frame, you don't have to worry too much about this. You just set up 
the table to have so many header rows, and they show up on subsequent pages.

It sounds like you are in the paradigm-shift phase, where you have a 
certain conception of how to do things, Frame isn't living up to them, 
and you are getting annoyed with Frame. I know this always happens to me 
when I learn a new tool!

Stay with it. But when you get to autonumbering, remember -- we're here!



Eva Whitley wrote:
> Probably doesn't exist but it would make my life easier if I could ask 
> in Help and question using Word terms like:
> 
> How do I get the header row to repeat on each page?
> 
> Which Word translates to mean: "Repeat a table heading on subsequent pages"
> 
> But the same phrase "Repeat a table heading on subsequent pages"
> 
> Typed in the search box yields the source topic: "Placing graphics in 
> table cells"
> 
> And asking Frame directly: "How do I get the header row to repeat on 
> each page?"
> 
> Yields: No topics found.
> 
> And the answer might be under "FrameMaker tables" but if it is, I can't 
> figure out if it applies to elements for structural tables and table 
> parts, and the help is fairly incomprehensible for a noob like me.
> 
> I'm sure it's fairly easy but it's not intuitive to me, and it can be 
> daunting to know how to easily do something in Word and be unable to 
> describe that concept in terms Frame can understand.
> 
> I'm running Frame8, and I have Classroom in a Book, but a good chunk of 
> what it covers isn't applicable to what we do.
> 
> Does anyone one else have this problem or is everyone here a guru?
> 

Re: Inventory of Template Features

[Jim Owens]

At the end of an internal project, I usually write a short document that 
explains what I've done. This lets me record the reasons for my 
decisions, and highlight any unusual features that may need special 
attention.

Sometimes the document is as simple as a text file. If I think others 
might need the document one day, I format it lightly in a word processor 
to make it a bit easier to use.



Nancy Allison wrote:
 Hi, everyone. I've created a template that I'm pretty happy with. It is 
 structured like a book file and contains separate files for front matter, 
 preface, body text, and index.
 
 I am trying to keep track of how I did things in it. For example, I've used 
 one variable in the headers for the unnumbered chapters (Index, TOC, 
 Preface). I've used a separate variable in the headers of the numbered files 
 (chapters and appendixes). This means that I can't carelessly copy the page 
 layouts from, say, the Index file into the Chapter file, or I'll have to 
 spend time fixing the headers that I've just wrecked.
 
 Just to be clear, here are the things I can copy from one file into all the 
 others without doing harm:
 
 Variable definitions
 Cross-reference formats
 Table formats
 Character formats (the list is short, so no reason to tailor it to each type 
 of file)
 Color Definitions
 Document Properties
 Reference Pages
 Conditional Text Settings
 Math Definitions
 
 Things I can't -- I have settings tailored to each type of file in the 
 template:
 
 Paragraph formats (in each file I include only the relevant paragraph 
 formats. Cuts the list way down.)
 Page Layouts
 
 
 I think.
 
 My question to you: Do you have a spreadsheet, or some other table or form 
 that you use to keep track of what the heck you have set in your template?
 
 I googled Framemaker template inventory and got only hits for templates for 
 tracking inventory (like widgets).
 
 Right now, all the nifty features of my template are fresh in my mind. If I 
 go away and work on something else, I won't remember how I set it up. Surely 
 after all these years there are off-the-shelf tools for keeping track of how 
 a template is set up.
 
 I am more than willing to shell out for a wondrous plug-in, if someone has 
 created one that meets this need.
 
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[Jim Owens]

At the end of an internal project, I usually write a short document that 
explains what I've done. This lets me record the reasons for my 
decisions, and highlight any unusual features that may need special 
attention.

Sometimes the document is as simple as a text file. If I think others 
might need the document one day, I format it lightly in a word processor 
to make it a bit easier to use.



Nancy Allison wrote:
> Hi, everyone. I've created a template that I'm pretty happy with. It is 
> structured like a book file and contains separate files for front matter, 
> preface, body text, and index.
> 
> I am trying to keep track of how I did things in it. For example, I've used 
> one variable in the headers for the unnumbered chapters (Index, TOC, 
> Preface). I've used a separate variable in the headers of the numbered files 
> (chapters and appendixes). This means that I can't carelessly copy the page 
> layouts from, say, the Index file into the Chapter file, or I'll have to 
> spend time fixing the headers that I've just wrecked.
> 
> Just to be clear, here are the things I can copy from one file into all the 
> others without doing harm:
> 
> Variable definitions
> Cross-reference formats
> Table formats
> Character formats (the list is short, so no reason to tailor it to each type 
> of file)
> Color Definitions
> Document Properties
> Reference Pages
> Conditional Text Settings
> Math Definitions
> 
> Things I can't -- I have settings tailored to each type of file in the 
> template:
> 
> Paragraph formats (in each file I include only the relevant paragraph 
> formats. Cuts the list way down.)
> Page Layouts
> 
> 
> I think.
> 
> My question to you: Do you have a spreadsheet, or some other table or form 
> that you use to keep track of what the heck you have set in your template?
> 
> I googled "Framemaker template inventory" and got only hits for templates for 
> tracking inventory (like widgets).
> 
> Right now, all the nifty features of my template are fresh in my mind. If I 
> go away and work on something else, I won't remember how I set it up. Surely 
> after all these years there are off-the-shelf tools for keeping track of how 
> a template is set up.
> 
> I am more than willing to shell out for a wondrous plug-in, if someone has 
> created one that meets this need.
> 
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Re: Compile Book_Wrong Font msg

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I had this happen just the other day. Washing as MIF didn't help.

I saved as MIF, opened the MIF file in a text editor, and searched for 
the font name (in this case, Times-Roman). This turned up one Ffamily 
`Times-Roman' tag that did not seem to be wrapping any text. I removed 
the entire tag section, and this fixed the problem.

Fred Ridder wrote:
 Responding to Susan Curtzwiler, Les Smalley wrote (in part):
 
 If you are positive that everything is Arial, you can fix this file by first 
 unchecking the option in Frame  to remember missing fonts (File  
 Preferences  General) and then opening and resaving the file.  Naturally, 
 you need to have Arial installed on the machine in use and not just 
 available via it being avaialbe on the currently selected printer.
 
 
 The usual technique that Les describes is not 100% effective. For one thing, 
 it will not change the fonts specified inside graphic objects. But there are 
 also cases where an extraneous font specification becomes attached to an 
 non-text object type, such as a frame on a reference page, and the don't 
 remember approach apparently ignores these objects. I've had this happen 
 myself, and the only thing that worked to get rid of the bad font 
 specicfication was a wash via MIF operation: 
 
 -Save the FM file in MIF format
 -Close the original
 
 -Open the MIF version of the file
 
 -Do a Save As to overwrite the original FM file
 
 Give that a try if the don't remember approach doesn't do the job for you.
 
 -Fred Ridder
 
  
 
  
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Compile Book_Wrong Font msg

[Jim Owens]

I had this happen just the other day. Washing as MIF didn't help.

I saved as MIF, opened the MIF file in a text editor, and searched for 
the font name (in this case, "Times-Roman"). This turned up one  tag that did not seem to be wrapping any text. I removed 
the entire tag section, and this fixed the problem.

Fred Ridder wrote:
> Responding to Susan Curtzwiler, Les Smalley wrote (in part):
> 
>> If you are positive that everything is Arial, you can fix this file by first 
>> unchecking the option in Frame  to remember missing fonts (File > 
>> Preferences > General) and then opening and resaving the file.  Naturally, 
>> you need to have Arial installed on the machine in use and not just 
>> available via it being avaialbe on the currently selected printer.
> 
> 
> The usual technique that Les describes is not 100% effective. For one thing, 
> it will not change the fonts specified inside graphic objects. But there are 
> also cases where an extraneous font specification becomes attached to an 
> non-text object type, such as a frame on a reference page, and the "don't 
> remember" approach apparently ignores these objects. I've had this happen 
> myself, and the only thing that worked to get rid of the bad font 
> specicfication was a "wash via MIF" operation: 
> 
> -Save the FM file in MIF format
> -Close the original
> 
> -Open the MIF version of the file
> 
> -Do a Save As to overwrite the original FM file
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> Give that a try if the "don't remember" approach doesn't do the job for you.
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> -Fred Ridder
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