Re: [gentoo-dev] move CONFIG_PROTECT to ebuilds out of profiles

[Mike Frysinger]

ive punted the cruft from base profile

On Thursday 25 May 2006 19:53, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> qmail ebuilds should be doing /var/qmail/control

99qmail from qmail ebuilds covers this

> kde ebuilds should be doing /usr/kde/*

45kdepaths-* from kde ebuilds covers this

> wtf is /usr/share/config for ?

99kde-env covers this

new runner up: CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK="/etc/eselect/compiler" ... you 
eselect-compiler guys need to add an env.d entry
-mike


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[gentoo-dev] [ANNOUNCE] New eselect modules for blas, cblas, lapack

[Donnie Berkholz]

With great pleasure, I announce the testing release of new eselect
modules for BLAS, CBLAS and LAPACK implementations. You may say, "But we
already have 'eselect blas' and 'eselect lapack,' Donnie! What are you
thinking?" In reply, I would say, "The current eselect modules have many
limitations."

One of the main problems with the existing setup is that available
implementations are hardcoded into the modules rather than being
autodetected from the system. This just doesn't scale well, and it ties
upgrades and changes to BLAS/LAPACK/whatever into a required update of
eselect.

A point of disagreement between Danny van Dyk (Kugelfang) and myself is
handling systems with multiple libdirs (e.g., AMD64). To understand our
quandary, you'll first need to understand how the new modules work.

My opinion is that if you want to switch implementations, you should be
warned if any available libdir failed to switch to the implementation
you selected. The tradition of Unix tools says they should be silent
when everything works as expected and be loud on errors.

Not switching for all libdirs when you explicitly said you wanted to
switch your whole system is an error, even if the implementation isn't
currently available for all your libdirs. Anything else will require
adding hackish special cases to the code and doesn't fit with my model
of how the modules should work.

Danny thinks instead that the modules should list all libdirs for which
the implementation was changed rather than warn about libdirs for which
it wasn't. This opposes the Unix philosophy. Danny also thinks that the
modules should silently fail when no implementations are available for a
 certain libdir when the user wants to switch the whole system. I
disagree and think the modules should warn the user.

In addition, Danny brings up a specific subprofile on amd64 called
no-symlink, in which lib32, lib, and lib64 are all directories rather
than symlinks. He says the 'lib' directory is only for arch-independent
(ABI-independent) files, so we should also add a special case for that.
Knowing my hatred of special casing, you may guess I disagree.

The main issue needing resolution is whether to warn on failures to
switch given libdirs when trying to switch the whole system, or whether
to say which successfully switched. One way is the Unix philosophy, and
the other way is ... something else.

Without further ado, you may get all the ported BLAS/CBLAS/LAPACK
implementations as well as the new eselect modules from my overlay [1].
They will remain there until more widespread testing is completed.

Please post all responses ONLY to the gentoo-dev list (unless you aren't
subscribed, in which case you can reply to whichever list you're
subscribed to).

Thanks,
Donnie

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Re: [gentoo-dev] move CONFIG_PROTECT to ebuilds out of profiles

[Philip Webb]

060525 Mike Frysinger wrote:
> wtf is /usr/share/config for ?

In  /usr/share/config/  I have  filelightrc  &  kio_isorc ;
there's also  /usr/share/config.kcfg/  which contains  gvconfig.kcfg :
I have Filelight 1.0_beta6 & Gwenview 1.3.1 installed & KDE 3.5.2 .

HTH

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Re: [gentoo-dev] move CONFIG_PROTECT to ebuilds out of profiles

[Tuan Van]

Mike Frysinger wrote:

> wtf is /usr/share/config for ?

kde-env covers that one.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] move CONFIG_PROTECT to ebuilds out of profiles

[Mike Frysinger]

On Thursday 25 May 2006 18:47, Jakub Moc wrote:
> Please, finally kill this thing from CONFIG_PROTECT in
> base/make.defaults

i dont see why a lot of that is needed

qmail ebuilds should be doing /var/qmail/control
kde ebuilds should be doing /usr/kde/*
wtf is /usr/share/config for ?
-mike


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Re: [gentoo-dev] cmake.eclass

[Danny van Dyk]

Am Freitag, 26. Mai 2006 01:10 schrieb Danny van Dyk:
> Am Freitag, 26. Mai 2006 00:50 schrieb Panard:
> > I removed need-cmake function and add :
> >
> > if [ ! -z "${NEED_CMAKE}" ]; then
> > DEPEND="dev-util/cmake"
> > else
> > DEPEND=">=dev-util/cmake-${NEED_CMAKE}"
> > fi
> > RDEPEND=""
> >
> > is it ok ?
>
> Rather use
>
>   DEPEND="dev-util/cmake-${NEED_CMAKE+-${NEED_CMAKE}}"
>
> please.
Sigh, too tired. I meant
  DEPEND="dev-utils/cmake${NEED_CMAKE+-${NEED_CMAKE}}"
of course.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] cmake.eclass

[Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò]

On Friday 26 May 2006 01:10, Danny van Dyk wrote:
>   DEPEND="dev-util/cmake-${NEED_CMAKE+-${NEED_CMAKE}}"
And see it die of a strange death missing the >= in front?

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Re: [gentoo-dev] cmake.eclass

[Danny van Dyk]

Am Freitag, 26. Mai 2006 00:50 schrieb Panard:
> I removed need-cmake function and add :
>
> if [ ! -z "${NEED_CMAKE}" ]; then
> DEPEND="dev-util/cmake"
> else
> DEPEND=">=dev-util/cmake-${NEED_CMAKE}"
> fi
> RDEPEND=""
>
> is it ok ?
Rather use

  DEPEND="dev-util/cmake-${NEED_CMAKE+-${NEED_CMAKE}}"

please.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Devmanual

[Ciaran McCreesh]

On Thu, 25 May 2006 14:37:57 -0500 Grant Goodyear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
| That said, I would certainly agree that a long list of authors, with
| one author per line, down the center of the page would, indeed, not
| look so good.  A simple set of names (with links to the contributors
| page which provides additional detail, perhaps) would suffice, I'd
| think:

| Seem reasonable?

That sounds good to me. It'd certainly be more in line with the level
of credit (you know, that thing that's used in place of paying people
or plying them with copious amounts of booze) that was originally given
to contributors.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] cmake.eclass

[Panard]

Le Jeudi 25 Mai 2006 23:15, Mike Frysinger a écrit :
> use this instead ... makes for cleaner output:
> pushd "${BUILDDIR}" > /dev/null

Yes... in fact i was using cd; cd $OLDPWD to avoid that >/dev/null issue...

I've update the eclass.

Thanks

>
> otherwise i dont have any other real complaints ;P
> -mike

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Re: [gentoo-dev] cmake.eclass

[Panard]

Ok, 
I removed need-cmake function and add :

if [ ! -z "${NEED_CMAKE}" ]; then
DEPEND="dev-util/cmake"
else
DEPEND=">=dev-util/cmake-${NEED_CMAKE}"
fi
RDEPEND=""

is it ok ?

http://backzone.net/~panard/patches/gentoo-overlay/eclass/cmake.eclass

Panard


Le Jeudi 25 Mai 2006 13:31, Carsten Lohrke a écrit :
> Don't repeat a failure of the past. Do
>
>
> NEED_CMAKE x.y
>
> inherit foo
>
> ...
>
>
> instead this ugly toplevel function call.
>
>
> Carsten

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[gentoo-dev] no need to CONFIG_PROTECT /usr/kde/2/share/config

[Jakub Moc]

Please, finally kill this thing from CONFIG_PROTECT in
base/make.defaults, we are not Debian... :P

Thanks.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] cmake.eclass

[Mike Frysinger]

use this instead ... makes for cleaner output:
pushd "${BUILDDIR}" > /dev/null

otherwise i dont have any other real complaints ;P
-mike


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed package move

[Mike Frysinger]

On Wednesday 24 May 2006 08:04, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> On Tue, 2006-05-23 at 22:09 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > On Tuesday 23 May 2006 21:18, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> > > Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > > > On Thursday 18 May 2006 06:41, Paul de Vrieze wrote:
> > > >> The package sys-apps/paludis is in the wrong category. It is a
> > > >> package manager on par with rpm, dpkg, etc. Those live in app-arch.
> > > >
> > > > app-arch is for things that manage archives
> > > >
> > > > paludis is much more than an archive manager
> > >
> > > Do you propose we also move app-arch/rpm and app-arch/dpkg to wherever
> > > paludis goes?
> >
> > you could make an argument for rpm but not dpkg
> >
> > dpkg is used simply to manipulate .debs, it isnt apt-get
>
> Huh?  You can use dpkg directly to install software, just like rpm.  It
> would be like saying that rpm doesn't count because it isn't "up2date"
> or "yum".

then you have a pretty simple choice ... either portage moves to app-arch as 
well or we look at it being a Gentoo thing

Gentoo package managers are critical thus sys-apps ... all other package 
managers are not critical thus app-arch
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Re: [gentoo-dev] et_EE locale and language of error messages

[Mike Frysinger]

On Wednesday 24 May 2006 07:42, Jakub Moc wrote:
> Every other user that is asked to provide the messages with locales set
> to C comes back asking how do I do it. Then they come back saying, oh
> LC_ALL=C, or LC_MESSAGES=C didn't work, where do I put it exactly? Then
> they come back and say, oh, it still didn't work... Also, asking someone
> to provide errors in English when they occured say 10 hours into OO.org
> compile makes the user really happy, of course. :P

update the bugzilla howto guide then and point them to that
-mike


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Devmanual

[Grant Goodyear]

Mark Loeser wrote: [Wed May 24 2006, 04:37:44PM CDT]
> Grant Goodyear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> > How was the conversion done?  Do we now have a tool to convert rst to
> > guidexml, or was the conversion all done by hand (which would be a truly
> > frightening thought), or something else entirely?
> 
> Be prepared to be frightened then, because it was all done by hand :)

I'm certainly not complaining; I'm quite grateful that this document is
being maintained!  I am curious, though.  I thought that neysx had made
all of the desired modifications to guide-xml so that the dev guide
could be translated to standard guide-xml.  Is something still missing?

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Devmanual

[Grant Goodyear]

Mark Loeser wrote: [Thu May 25 2006, 12:39:56PM CDT]
> I changed "Authors" to be "Editors".  I hope that will kill some of the
> controversy.

Thanks.  That should certainly satisfy the license, and I, at least,
appreciate it.

> Ciaran, we recognized you on the front page and appreciate everything
> you did.  We cut the author list from the front page because it was
> getting incredibly long and we didn't feel it should take up that much
> room.  The only reason Tim and myself are listed there is because we are
> the ones maintaining it now, and want people to be able to easily find
> who they should contact about changes.

For what it's worth, I never suspected otherwise.  (Nor, I suspect, did
ciaranm, although I haven't asked him.)  Despite the lack of any
intentional malice, however, I do happen to believe that removing the
author list from the front page is a serious error that is worth fixing.
Giving people appropriate credit for writing documentation is just the
right thing to do, and that credit shouldn't be buried somewhere.
Indeed, my recollection was that a fair amount of thought went into
where the author list should go when drobbins created our documentation
XSL.

That said, I would certainly agree that a long list of authors, with one
author per line, down the center of the page would, indeed, not look so
good.  A simple set of names (with links to the contributors page which
provides additional detail, perhaps) would suffice, I'd think:

Authors
---

  Ciaran McCreesh, Grant Goodyear, Aaron Walker, Robert Coie, Tom
  Martin, Paul Varner, Ilya Volynets-Evenbakh, Diego Patteno Fernando J.
  Pareda, Simon Stelling, Alin Dobre, and Joseph Jezak

Seem reasonable?

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Devmanual

[Mark Loeser]

Petre Rodan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> but whatever browser I use, the 'Authors' section from the main page is not
> rendered correctly (I only see 'editors' not 'authors'). can you fix that 
> please?
> 
> author:
>   1 a : one that originates or creates : SOURCE 
>b capitalized : GOD 1
>   2 : the writer of a literary work (as a book)
>
> kthxbye,
> peter

kaiowas, next time, you don't have to be an ass.  If you think we should change
something, just ask politely.  It really isn't that difficult.

I changed "Authors" to be "Editors".  I hope that will kill some of the
controversy.

Ciaran, we recognized you on the front page and appreciate everything
you did.  We cut the author list from the front page because it was
getting incredibly long and we didn't feel it should take up that much
room.  The only reason Tim and myself are listed there is because we are
the ones maintaining it now, and want people to be able to easily find
who they should contact about changes.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Gentoo Devmanual

[Lance Albertson]

Benno Schulenberg wrote:
> Stephen Bennett wrote:
>> "at a minimum such credit will appear where any other comparable
>> authorship credit appears and in a manner at least as prominent
>> as such other comparable authorship credit."
> 
> Precisely.  So the Authors section on the main page should look 
> something like:
> 
>   Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   Initiator
>   Tim Yamin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   Editor
>   Mark Loeser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   Editor
> 
> Even though "initiator" sounds a bit meagre, having his name listed 
> there first, forever, is probably enough.

Make sure you use  tags so you can't miss it either.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] cmake.eclass

[Carsten Lohrke]

On Thursday 25 May 2006 16:37, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote:
> Probably he meant
>
> NEED_CMAKE="x.y"

Exactly. Sorry for the typo.


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Devmanual

[Mark Loeser]

Jan Kundrát <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Nice job. Are the XML and XSLT sources available from our CVS? I wasn't
> able to find them.

Not yet.  The "Contributing" page shows where it is currently hosted,
and I'm going to have it moved over to Gentoo infra soon.  I just
haven't gotten around to it yet :)

Thanks,

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Gentoo Devmanual

[Benno Schulenberg]

Stephen Bennett wrote:
> "at a minimum such credit will appear where any other comparable
> authorship credit appears and in a manner at least as prominent
> as such other comparable authorship credit."

Precisely.  So the Authors section on the main page should look 
something like:

  Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  Initiator
  Tim Yamin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  Editor
  Mark Loeser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  Editor

Even though "initiator" sounds a bit meagre, having his name listed 
there first, forever, is probably enough.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] cmake.eclass

[Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò]

On Thursday 25 May 2006 16:39, Danny van Dyk wrote:
> i currently see no major difference between doing 'need-cmake x.y' and
> 'NEED_CMAKE x.y'...
Probably he meant

NEED_CMAKE="x.y"

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Re: [gentoo-dev] cmake.eclass

[Danny van Dyk]

Hi Carsten,

Am Donnerstag, 25. Mai 2006 13:31 schrieb Carsten Lohrke:
> Don't repeat a failure of the past. Do
>
>
> NEED_CMAKE x.y
>
> inherit foo
>
> ...
>
>
> instead this ugly toplevel function call.
And this is no ugly toplevel function fall?
i currently see no major difference between doing 'need-cmake x.y' and 
'NEED_CMAKE x.y'...

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: Gentoo Devmanual

[Grant Goodyear]

Peter wrote: [Thu May 25 2006, 07:00:16AM CDT]
> On Thu, 25 May 2006 12:34:13 +0100, Stephen Bennett wrote:
> 
> snip...
> > "at a minimum such credit will appear where any other comparable
> > authorship credit appears and in a manner at least as prominent as such
> > other comparable authorship credit."
> > 
> > Two names are credited on the front page. One is conspicuously absent,
> > despite having done the vast majority of the original work.
> > 
> The two names listed are as editors. Plainly, clearly. Ciaranm is clearly
> listed alone as a main contributor and author. His name is more
> conspicuous than any other. Not to mention on the contributors page where
> is name is..first?

I could be wrong, but I believe your statement misses the point that
ciaranm actually raised.  The passage he quoted seems to be fairly
clear:

  "...at a minimum, such credit will appear where any other comparable
   authorship credit appears and in a manner at least as prominent as
   such other comparable authorship credit."

I would read that passage as suggesting that the document cannot have a
section titled "Authors" on the first page that lists only the current
editors and also a "contributors" page in an appendix that lists all of the
original authors.  

Incidentally, there seems to be an implicit
assumption that ciaranm posted his message because he felt that he had
not been properly credited.  His actual e-mail was polite, gracious, and
to the point, which was that the CC-SA license was probably violated.
Nowhere was there any whining about not getting the appropriate credit.
(On the other hand, I don't mind doing so.  I was certainly a tad taken
aback to discover that my name was not listed in the section titled
"Authors".)

Finally, the whole issue goes away by either changing the heading on that
first page from "Authors" to "Maintainers" or "Editors", or by adding
the list of contributors back to this page.  It's not exactly rocket
science, folks.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Gentoo Devmanual

[Jakub Moc]

Luis Medinas wrote:
> Jakub is right! Just add the name and the mail of the man and stop
> crying.

But - it's _already_ _there_ - right on the front page... case closed,
let's move on, finally? :=)))


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Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 49 - take 2

[Lance Albertson]

Jan Kundrát wrote:
> José Costa wrote:
>> The Gentoo Council/Gentoo Infra only needs to release one API for all
>> package managers, with all the procedures, how to do stuff standards,
>> quality assurance stuff, blabla...
> 
> I don't see any reason why the Infrastructure Team should be affiliated
> with the decision :).

Heh, and people wonder how cabal rumors are started :-) I have to agree
with this. The only thing infra should be involved with is how it might
affect distribution to our users and/or hosting of stuff. We just make
stuff go, you guys code it. :-)


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Gentoo Devmanual

[Luis Medinas]

On Thu, 2006-05-25 at 14:00 +0200, Jakub Moc wrote:
> Stephen Bennett wrote:
>  > Two names are credited on the front page. One is conspicuously absent,
> > despite having done the vast majority of the original work.
> 
> 
> Large portions of the handbook were originally written by Ciaran McCreesh.
> 
> 
> Maybe you need to read more carefully, or need better spectacles? Ah, we
> just didn't have a pointless flamewar for a long time, right... :S
> 
Jakub is right! Just add the name and the mail of the man and stop
crying.
Who cares about this ?

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[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: Gentoo Devmanual

[Peter]

On Thu, 25 May 2006 12:34:13 +0100, Stephen Bennett wrote:

snip...
> "at a minimum such credit will appear where any other comparable
> authorship credit appears and in a manner at least as prominent as such
> other comparable authorship credit."
> 
> Two names are credited on the front page. One is conspicuously absent,
> despite having done the vast majority of the original work.
> 
The two names listed are as editors. Plainly, clearly. Ciaranm is clearly
listed alone as a main contributor and author. His name is more
conspicuous than any other. Not to mention on the contributors page where
is name is..first?

>> However, Tim and Mark are currently
maintaining the body of work and
>> are properly titled as editors. Tim and Mark are devs. ciaranm is not.
> 
> What does being a dev have to do with anything?

Tim and Mark are maintaining this. I do not think a non dev would be
permitted to do so.

I've made my point. Any other writings by me on this subject would be
repetitive. Flame me if you feel like it, but please don't forget to
ignore facts along the way.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Gentoo Devmanual

[Jakub Moc]

Stephen Bennett wrote:
 > Two names are credited on the front page. One is conspicuously absent,
> despite having done the vast majority of the original work.


Large portions of the handbook were originally written by Ciaran McCreesh.


Maybe you need to read more carefully, or need better spectacles? Ah, we
just didn't have a pointless flamewar for a long time, right... :S

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Gentoo Devmanual

[Thierry Carrez]

If we took half the time we spend to shoot down the rare things that are
getting done here to actually push some real improvement, Gentoo would
probably still be the most innovative Linux distro out there.

I'm feeling more and more a stranger.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Gentoo Devmanual

[Petre Rodan]

On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 08:04:05AM -0400, Peter wrote:
> As for the Authors, it clearly shows Tim and Mark as E D I T O R S.

in that case I think the section should be 'Editors' and not 'Authors'

bye,
peter


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Re: [gentoo-dev] cmake.eclass

[Carsten Lohrke]

Don't repeat a failure of the past. Do


NEED_CMAKE x.y

inherit foo

...


instead this ugly toplevel function call.


Carsten


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Gentoo Devmanual

[Stephen Bennett]

On Thu, 25 May 2006 07:04:05 -0400
Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> But face it, ciaranm did contribute and he was aptly credited.

"at a minimum such credit will appear where any other comparable
authorship credit appears and in a manner at least as prominent as such
other comparable authorship credit."

Two names are credited on the front page. One is conspicuously absent,
despite having done the vast majority of the original work.

> However, Tim and Mark are currently maintaining the body of work and
> are properly titled as editors. Tim and Mark are devs. ciaranm is not.

What does being a dev have to do with anything?
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[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Gentoo Devmanual

[Peter]

On Thu, 25 May 2006 01:43:33 +0100, Stephen Bennett wrote:

> On Wed, 24 May 2006 18:36:07 -0400
> Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> If you have any corrections, suggestions or improvements please contact
>> the editors. Large portions of the handbook were originally written by
>> Ciaran McCreesh along with our contributors.
> 
> Sorry, but did you have a point here? If so then I'm not seeing it.

Yes. There were two.

1) Ciaranm is prominently credited with the original work on the main
page. "Large portions of the handbook were originally written by Ciaran
McCreesh"

2) On the Contributors page, Ciaranm was the first name listed.

If that is not an acknowledgement of his contribution, then what do you
expect, a Marching Band?

As for the Authors, it clearly shows Tim and Mark as E D I T O R S. That
means, if this work is nominated for a Pulitzer Prize, they probably would
not receive the award. However, as they are the C U R R E N T editors,
their names are appropriately placed.

But face it, ciaranm did contribute and he was aptly credited. However,
Tim and Mark are currently maintaining the body of work and are properly
titled as editors. Tim and Mark are devs. ciaranm is not.

I hope I made myself more clear.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Devmanual

[Jan Kundrát]

Mark Loeser wrote:
> At long last the devmanual is official.  You can find it at
> http://devmanual.gentoo.org.  I would like to thank plasmaroo for helping
> me with converting it to XML (since he did all of the XSL work to add in
> the features we needed to make it easy to write and expand upon).

Nice job. Are the XML and XSLT sources available from our CVS? I wasn't
able to find them.

Cheers,
-jkt

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Devmanual

[Petre Rodan]

Hi,

On Wed, May 24, 2006 at 04:48:00PM -0400, Mark Loeser wrote:
> At long last the devmanual is official.  You can find it at
> http://devmanual.gentoo.org.  I would like to thank plasmaroo for helping
> me with converting it to XML (since he did all of the XSL work to add in
> the features we needed to make it easy to write and expand upon).

this is cool. thanks for the effort.

but whatever browser I use, the 'Authors' section from the main page is not 
rendered correctly (I only see 'editors' not 'authors'). can you fix that 
please?

author:
1 a : one that originates or creates : SOURCE   b capitalized : GOD 1
2 : the writer of a literary work (as a book)

kthxbye,
peter


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[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Gentoo Devmanual

[Duncan]

Stephen Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted [EMAIL PROTECTED],
excerpted below, on  Thu, 25 May 2006 01:43:33 +0100:

> On Wed, 24 May 2006 18:36:07 -0400
> Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> If you have any corrections, suggestions or improvements please
>> contact the editors. Large portions of the handbook were originally
>> written by Ciaran McCreesh along with our contributors.
> 
> Sorry, but did you have a point here? If so then I'm not seeing it.

OK, I know there's a bit of hypersensitivity ATM, but, I think you are
seeing a problem where there isn't one. I believe the point was just to
give credit where credit was due, acknowledging the hard work a former dev
put into it, even if he's no longer a dev.  If you are reading more into
it, I believe that's exactly what's happening, you are reading into it
what isn't there.



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