Re: [gentoo-user] Emerge multiple-versions-in-same-slot weirdness with X11 libs...

[Dale]

Dale wrote:
> Walter Dnes wrote:
>   
>>   I just did an "emerge --sync" followed by an ask fetchonly, which I
>> do to avoid unpleasant surprises.  Emerge is sending the following
>> message to stderr.  I don't like the concept of masking out stuff for an
>> ordinary emerge.  Any idea what gives?
>>
>> <  SNIP  >
>>
>>
>>   
>> 
>
> Ditto.  u, +1 or whatever.  Basically, same thing here.  You are not
> alone.
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-)
>   

OK.  No response here so after tonights sync, I had only one blocker.  I
added it to package.keywords and it was off to the races.  So Walter,
you may want to sync again and see if it is any better.

I guess we just caught something out of "sync".  LOL

Dale

:-)  :-) 

[gentoo-user] Re: FS for laptop

[Grant Edwards]

On 2007-12-21, Hemmann, Volker Armin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Freitag, 21. Dezember 2007, Grant Edwards wrote:
>> On 2007-12-20, Stroller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > On 20 Dec 2007, at 21:34, Mick wrote:
>> >> ...
>> >> Hmm, this article suggests that XFS is the best thing since sliced
>> >> bread . . .
>> >> especially for files greater than 500MB.  Not sure I've got many of
>> >> these.
>> >
>> > A TV episode might well be 700meg.
>>
>> An HD TV episode might well be 7000meg.  MythTv users seem to
>> swear by XFS. 
>
> swear by or just swear - when XFS again ate all the episodes ...

I recently asked about filesystems on a MythTv mailing list. I
saw nothing but praise for XFS.  Maybe they're all just lucky.

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Re: [gentoo-user] FS for laptop

[Mark Kirkwood]

I wrote:
I have used xfs on 2 Gentoo servers for the last year of so - several 
power outages, no problems:


$ df -m

Doh! meant to type 'mount' not 'df':

$ mount
/dev/md/2 on / type xfs (rw,noatime)
/dev/md/0 on /boot type xfs (rw,noatime)
/dev/md/3 on /tmp type xfs (rw,noatime)
/dev/md/4 on /var type xfs (rw,noatime)
/dev/md/5 on /usr type xfs (rw,noatime)
/dev/md/6 on /home type xfs (rw,noatime)
/dev/md/7 on /data0 type xfs (rw,noatime)

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Re: [gentoo-user] FS for laptop

[Mark Kirkwood]

Mick wrote:


Hmm, this article suggests that XFS is the best thing since sliced bread . . . 
especially for files greater than 500MB.  Not sure I've got many of these.


Has anyone got a particularly good experience with XFS vs e.g. Reiserfs?  What 
about JFS?
  


I have used xfs on 2 Gentoo servers for the last year of so - several 
power outages, no problems:


$ df -m
Filesystem   1M-blocks  Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/md/2  52994   435  18% /
/dev/md/0  12916   114  13% /boot
/dev/md/3 3911  2060  1852  53% /tmp
/dev/md/4 3911   473  3439  13% /var
/dev/md/519537  5710 13828  30% /usr
/dev/md/619537  5852 13686  30% /home
/dev/md/7   104841 41208 63634  40% /data0


Previous to that I used xfs on Mandake... before 'seeing the light' and 
moving to Gentoo... :-) .


Conversly my experience with reiserfs has been consistent data 
corruption... so I avoid using it (mind you it's probably fine *now*, 
this was a few years ago).


Cheers

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Ditch webmail?

[Dan Farrell]

On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 00:19:47 +
Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Just to clarify the situation, Sylpheed is still Sylpheed.
> Sylpheed-Claws became Claws-Mail since it no longer follows the
> Sylpheed code.

right; sorry.  i started using it right when that was happening.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: FS for laptop

[Hemmann, Volker Armin]

On Freitag, 21. Dezember 2007, Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2007-12-20, Stroller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On 20 Dec 2007, at 21:34, Mick wrote:
> >> ...
> >> Hmm, this article suggests that XFS is the best thing since sliced
> >> bread . . .
> >> especially for files greater than 500MB.  Not sure I've got many of
> >> these.
> >
> > A TV episode might well be 700meg.
>
> An HD TV episode might well be 7000meg.  MythTv users seem to
> swear by XFS. 

swear by or just swear - when XFS again ate all the episodes ...
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[gentoo-user] Re: FS for laptop

[Grant Edwards]

On 2007-12-20, Stroller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 20 Dec 2007, at 21:34, Mick wrote:
>> ...
>> Hmm, this article suggests that XFS is the best thing since sliced  
>> bread . . .
>> especially for files greater than 500MB.  Not sure I've got many of  
>> these.
>
> A TV episode might well be 700meg.

An HD TV episode might well be 7000meg.  MythTv users seem to
swear by XFS.  Ext3 is certainly not up the the task: deleting
a large (500MB+) file will bring my MythTv box running ext3 to
a near-halt for 30-60 seconds.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Mounting Question...

[Benjamen R. Meyer]

Dale wrote:
> Mick wrote:
>> 
>> With regards to your 47G /usr/portage partition I think that it is a waste 
>> of 
>> space.  It won't harm you other than the fact that the 3.8G OS partition is 
>> in all likelihood too small.  This is what I would do: tar the contents 
>> of /usr/portage elsewhere (even in the 3.8G partition - it should fit if you 
>> clear any cruft and, or use bzip).  Delete the 47G partition and use gparted 
>> to enlarge the 3.8G partition to say, 8-10G.  Then create a new partition 
>> say 
>> another 8-10G for /usr/portage.  Then create anymore separate partitions you 
>> may need (for /home and what have you). mkfs as required, modify 
>> your /etc/fstab and move your data in your respective new partitions.  If 
>> you 
>> think your fs is/are going to grow use LVM instead, otherwise primaries and 
>> if you need more than 4 then (extended + logical).
> Well, I'm no expert but this has worked for me and this is a 4 or 5 year
> old install.  Your mileage may vary.  From cfdisk:

> As you can see, I have plenty of space available for future additions,
> like a space hogging KDE 4.0.  :-)  The fullest one is /usr/portage
> which I clean up on occasion with eclean.  If I ever change them around
> again, I will put /var on a separate partition but other than that, it
> works pretty well.  May make root smaller then as well.
> A lot of this depends on what you are doing with the box tho.  It's just
> something you have to sort of work out as you go which may be why some
> recommend EVMS or LVM.  I have read up on it but just never got up the
> nerve to try it yet.  This is a desktop mostly used to surf the net and
> run foldingathome on.
> Hope this helps tho.

Thanks for the info guys. Yeah - the server has been pretty steady. I
use to run it on a P90 with an 8.4 GB (7.6 formatted) hard drive running
Slackware and just upgraded to the P2 with Gentoo, namely so I can keep
it up to date more. I run Gentoo at work, but the firewall prevents me
from getting portage updates there as they block RSYNC and FTP, and the
HTTP is authenticated which causes me a lot of pain under *nix. So in
some respects I am pretty new to some of this stuff per Gentoo.

LVM is certainly not out of the question, I just don't have the time to
rebuild the system again - especially since I just built it. So I'd need
a path to getting to it.

As per the the suggestion of blasting away the 47 GB partition - I'm not
sure that's an option. I got away from using Logical partitions a long
time ago after I moved to Linux as I found them to be too problematic -
I'd never have enough space on the partition I needed space on and to
rework it to have enough would require moving around others too. And, as
you can see from my other e-mail, I already have 4 primary partitions on
each drive (swap included); so I would certainly go to LVM instead of
logical partitions.

That said, the system itself won't change much, but the current drive
layout is probably not the best for where space needs to really be. So I
really am open to changing it, but need to do so on the fly with a few
reboots and (most importantly) without reinstalling. I do realize Linux
makes it pretty easy to move around from partition to partition, which I
have done, just not sure how LVM plays into it - thus my other e-mail
asking about a path to getting there. (FYI - I did check and LVM2's
device-mapper is enabled in the kernel, so it should be pretty straight
forward.)

Thanks,

Ben
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RE: [gentoo-user] Excellent Paludis interview

[Iain Buchanan]

On Thu, 2007-12-20 at 08:46 -0600, Marzan, Richard non Unisys wrote:
> Portage can continue to build packages if one fails.
> 
> # emerge -options package/list_of_packages || until emerge
> -same_options_as_before package/list_of_packages ; do : ;done

yes but wouldn't this continue regardless of what deps are met?  Ideally
if a lib fails, you only want to continue with packages that don't
require that lib.  Otherwise you have to fix it, and rebuild other
packages anyway...
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Re: [gentoo-user] FS for laptop

[Neil Bothwick]

On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:34:53 +, Mick wrote:

> Hmm, this article suggests that XFS is the best thing since sliced
> bread . . . especially for files greater than 500MB.  Not sure I've got
> many of these.

I found that too, so I use XFS for partitions that handle large files
(ISO images, video editing, MythTV etc.)


-- 
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Re: [gentoo-user] How cam I get system to recognize MagicSysReq while in X gui?

[Neil Bothwick]

On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 12:26:55 -0500, Boris Fersing wrote:

> > If you can SSH into the machine, you can also do it with
> >
> > echo u >/proc/sysrq-trigger
> > echo b >/proc/sysrq-trigger
> >
> > Do not use e or i this way as they will kill sshd.  
> 
> Or just type 'reboot' (or anything else you want to do) ?   =_='

I've had systems too messed up to run reboot or shutdown.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Ditch webmail?

[Neil Bothwick]

On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 11:32:52 -0600, Dan Farrell wrote:

> I don't.  Thunderbird is, like most mozilla products, slow an bloated.
> Claws-Mail (as sylpheed is now called, BTW) is light and fast

Just to clarify the situation, Sylpheed is still Sylpheed. Sylpheed-Claws
became Claws-Mail since it no longer follows the Sylpheed code.


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Re: [gentoo-user] realtek 8197 wireless card setup

[Jeff Cranmer]

On Thursday 20 December 2007 02:00:36 am Hans-Werner Hilse wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I cannot really go into details, but maybe I'm competent enough to make
> some notes on this:
>
> On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 21:47:55 -0500
>
> Jeff Cranmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I manually edited the file
> > /usr/src/linux/drivers/net/wireless/rtl8187_dev.c [...]
> > I added the line
> > {USB_DEVICE(0x0bda, 0x8197)},
> > in the /* Realtek */ area of the structure, then ran
> > make clean, then
> > make && make modules_install etc.
> >
> > After rebooting into the modified kernel, I now have iwmaster0 and iwlan0
> > lines showing up when I type iwconfig.
>
> Although that's a good sign, it does not guarantee that the driver
> fully supports your device. However, the kernel log should now have
> changed significantly and the driver might now tell you there if it's
> fully operable. "ifconfig" showing the correct MAC is also a good sign.
>
> As a side note: My suggestion would be to play with the different
> "drivers" of wpa_supplicant. DHCP won't work if there's no correct WPA
> setup anyway.
>
> -hwh

ifconfig only shows the eth0 and lo interfaces, whereas iwconfig shows info on 
the wireless interface, but not the MAC address

The MAC address does appear in the dmesg logs, with the line
phy0: hwaddr ,  rtl8187 V0 + rtl8225

This is followed by
phy0: RF calibration failed! 0
which I think is the key symptom that I need to address in order to move 
forwards.
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Re: [gentoo-user] realtek 8197 wireless card setup

[Jeff Cranmer]

On Thursday 20 December 2007 03:40:07 am Mick wrote:
> Hi Jeff,
>
> On Wednesday 19 December 2007, Jeff Cranmer wrote:
> > I have checked, and ndiswrapper and  the rtl8187 package were
> > uninstalled. I think that the problem I have may be more basic.
> >
> > The card I have is an 8197, not an 8187.  I wonder if this is part of the
> > problem.  Could it be that the kernel driver does not support the 8197?
> >
> > The attached weblink suggests that this may be the case:
> > http://www.datanorth.net/~cuervo/blog/2007/09/26/no-more-vista/
> >
> > Does anyone know how I can locate the equivalent code in the kernel and
> > perhaps perform a similar modification?
>
> (can you please stop top-posting, it makes reading of threads difficult in
> this mailing list).
>
> Your device may still be supported by the driver.  The problem may exist
> with the wpa_supplicant.  You could try commenting out the wpa_supplicant
> in your /etc/conf.d/net file and using net-wireless/wireless-tools instead.
> Then try again to see if it a)finds the access point (try iwlist wlan0
> scanning), b)associates with it (try iwlist wlan0 accesspoint) .  Of course
> you will need to remove WPA from the AP.  Should all this succeed you can
> work your way up from there.
>
> PS.  I haven't managed to make wpa_supplicant work with my device rt2570usb
> for more than a year now, but haven't tried recently.

I tried removing any reference to wpa_supplicant.  The 
alternative /etc/conf.d/net configuration that I tried is:

essid_wlan0="mynetworkname"
channel_wlan0=( "2" )   # the channel my wireless card is presently set to
key_home=( "my_hex_WEP_key enc open" )
config_wlan0=( "dhcp" )
dhcpcd_wlan0="-I ''"

iwlist wlan0 scanning returns
wlan0   Interface does not support scanning : Network is down

iwlist wlan0 accesspoint returns
wlan0   Interface doesn't have a list of Peers/Access-Points

At the moment, I think the key line in dmesg is .  
phy0: RF calibration failed! 0

If I could figure out what this line meant, and what I could do to fix it, I 
might be on my way to a potential solution.

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Re: [gentoo-user] smartd Prefailure messages

[Dale]

Mick wrote:
> 
>
> Thanks, I'll browse through these.
>   

It makes me wonder if the drives are "sensitive" to something.  This
seems to be common with Maxtor.  Is Hitachi made by the same company as
Maxtor I wonder? 

I have been getting these errors for some time now.  They pass the tests
tho.  You can run that with this:  smartctl -t long /dev/hdX  The X
should be replaced with the correct drive or you may have to use sdX if
you have SATA drives.  After it gets done, which may take a while, you
can get the results like this:  smartctl -l selftest /dev/hdX.  Replace
the X again.

Hope you get a good report.  Mine passed.

Dale

:-)  :-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] FS for laptop

[Stroller]

On 20 Dec 2007, at 21:34, Mick wrote:

...
Hmm, this article suggests that XFS is the best thing since sliced  
bread . . .
especially for files greater than 500MB.  Not sure I've got many of  
these.


A TV episode might well be 700meg.

Has anyone got a particularly good experience with XFS vs e.g.  
Reiserfs?  What

about JFS?


XFS - runs great on Irix!

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Re: [gentoo-user] FS for laptop

[Dale]

Mick wrote:
> On Thursday 20 December 2007, Dan Farrell wrote:
>   
>> On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 22:40:48 -0600
>>
>> Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>>> Philip Webb wrote:
>>>   
 071218 Sergey Kobzar wrote:
 
> - ReiserFS looks unsupported now
>   
 What do you base that assessment on ?  It's true
 that RFS 4 was going nowhere even before its creator's legal
 problems, but RFS 3 is still well-supported as a Gentoo pkg, isn't
 it ? When I installed Gentoo on my new desktop machine recently,
 I used RFS 3 for everything except  /boot  (which is Ext2).
 
>>> I too use ReiserFS for everything but /boot.  I used to use it for
>>> that but the 32MB thing sort of got me to change it to ext3.  I have
>>> had no problems with file system errors.  I have three hard drives
>>> and 9 partitions, 8 are ReiserFS, and it works great.  I may even give
>>> ReiserFS 4 a shot in the future.  I'm not sure if it is even being
>>> developed any more tho.  Anybody hear anything on that?
>>>
>>> Dale
>>>
>>> :-)  :-)  :-)
>>>   
>> I, too, use reiserfs for everything I can.  EXT3, the last time I used
>> it, is much slower,  Sure, you can tweak it, but you can do that to
>> Reiser too.  I trust it now, and don't intend to switch to anything
>> else any time soon.
>>
>> I have always found this FS review well presented and very useful:
>> http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/388
>> 
>
> Hmm, this article suggests that XFS is the best thing since sliced bread . . 
> . 
> especially for files greater than 500MB.  Not sure I've got many of these.
>
> Has anyone got a particularly good experience with XFS vs e.g. Reiserfs?  
> What 
> about JFS?
>   

My only experience with XFS was a nightmare.  It's good if you have a
UPS that will take care of power outages but it does not like a sudden
power failure.  Reiserfs doesn't seem to mind the failure of a local
power company.  The rig that did have XFS on it got a reinstall with
reiserfs.  It was running Mandrake and had no UPS with several power
failures after which it would no longer boot up.

I'm not saying not to use XFS, just pointing out a weakness that I found.

Dale

:-)  :-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Mounting Question...

[Dale]

Mick wrote:
> 
>
> With regards to your 47G /usr/portage partition I think that it is a waste of 
> space.  It won't harm you other than the fact that the 3.8G OS partition is 
> in all likelihood too small.  This is what I would do: tar the contents 
> of /usr/portage elsewhere (even in the 3.8G partition - it should fit if you 
> clear any cruft and, or use bzip).  Delete the 47G partition and use gparted 
> to enlarge the 3.8G partition to say, 8-10G.  Then create a new partition say 
> another 8-10G for /usr/portage.  Then create anymore separate partitions you 
> may need (for /home and what have you). mkfs as required, modify 
> your /etc/fstab and move your data in your respective new partitions.  If you 
> think your fs is/are going to grow use LVM instead, otherwise primaries and 
> if you need more than 4 then (extended + logical).
>
> Just my 2c's.
>   

Well, I'm no expert but this has worked for me and this is a 4 or 5 year
old install.  Your mileage may vary.  From cfdisk:


hda1  Boot  Primary Linux
ext2  200.25
hda5Logical
Linux   1999.88
hda6Logical Linux
ReiserFS1.76
hda7Logical Linux
ReiserFS 4999.94
hda8Logical Linux
ReiserFS 4999.94
hda9Logical Linux
ReiserFS49764.56

This is from df:

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Filesystem   1K-blocks  Used Available Use%
Mounted on
/dev/hda6 19530340   4842172  1468816825%
  /
/dev/hda1   189339 19382  160181   
11% /boot
/dev/hda7  4882532   2832424   2050108  59%
/usr/portage
/dev/hda8  4882532   1597144   3285388  33%
/home
/dev/hdb1 78145768  13720248 6442552018%
/data

[EMAIL PROTECTED] / #

As you can see, I have plenty of space available for future additions,
like a space hogging KDE 4.0.  :-)  The fullest one is /usr/portage
which I clean up on occasion with eclean.  If I ever change them around
again, I will put /var on a separate partition but other than that, it
works pretty well.  May make root smaller then as well.

A lot of this depends on what you are doing with the box tho.  It's just
something you have to sort of work out as you go which may be why some
recommend EVMS or LVM.  I have read up on it but just never got up the
nerve to try it yet.  This is a desktop mostly used to surf the net and
run foldingathome on.

Hope this helps tho.

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo on Dell PowerEdge 2600 / 2800? AMI / LSI MegaRAID driver?

[kashani]

Stroller wrote:

On 20 Dec 2007, at 07:26, kashani wrote:
I used Redhat, Fedora, and Gentoo on 2550, 1650, 2650, 1750, 1850, 
and 2850 PowerEdge servers ...


Blimey! You obviously know your stuff. So how do you find Gentoo 
measures up to Redhat / Fedora on these machines?


	Never had an issue with Gentoo on any of them. The SCSI and ether 
drivers were well supported.


Other than the CPU/RAM the main different between 2650, 2850, and 
2950 was the SCSI card. I'd choose the 2850 over the 2650 given a 
choice for anything with heavy I/O and the 2950 are noticeably faster 
than the 2850 for our db stuff.


Ours is a 2800, and it's the 2600 that I find most readily / cheaply 
available. Looks like the xx50 models are the rack-mount & lower-profile 
models of the same generation. Looks like they're more expensive 
secondhand and it's not obvious if hot-swap PSUs are available?


I am not sure about the xx00 series, but you could hot swap PSUs in the 
xx50 machines.


The machines at this site aren't under high-load, so that's not really a 
problem. We like this class of servers for the redundancy of the 
moving-and-failure-prone kind of parts (PSU & disks).


If I might ask some follow-up questions:
Are the SCSI cards in these models the same brand / chipset / Linux 
driver, please?

Or are they completely different?


Hmmm the SCSI card was onboard and you could get RAID by adding the 
memory dimm/unlocker doohicky if your system didn't come with it. We hit 
Ebay and picked up a bunch for cheap. Within a series the SCSI card was 
always the same other than maybe minor revision. Perc3i ver 3, ver 2, 
and etc in the 2600 and then Perc4i ver 1, ver 2 in the 2800.
	You'd never have an issue with an early rev or later rev having issues 
in any 2.6 kernel I ran.


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Re: [gentoo-user] smartd Prefailure messages

[Mick]

On Thursday 20 December 2007, Dale wrote:
> Mick wrote:
> > On Thursday 20 December 2007, Dale wrote:
> >> 
> >> I get those a lot too.  I have a question, can you post the output of
> >> hdparm -i /dev/hda .  I have two Maxtor drives and both of mine gives a
> >> very similar error.  My Western Digital doesn't have any errors at all.
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> >> Dale
> >>
> >> :-)  :-)
> >
> > Here ya' go:
> > 
> > # hdparm -i /dev/hda
> >
> > /dev/hda:
> >
> >  Model=IC25N020ATMR04-0, FwRev=MO1OAD5A, SerialNo=MRX107K1DS623H
> >  Config={ HardSect NotMFM HdSw>15uSec Fixed DTR>10Mbs }
> >  RawCHS=16383/16/63, TrkSize=0, SectSize=0, ECCbytes=4
> >  BuffType=DualPortCache, BuffSize=1740kB, MaxMultSect=16, MultSect=16
> >  CurCHS=17475/15/63, CurSects=16513875, LBA=yes, LBAsects=39070080
> >  IORDY=on/off, tPIO={min:240,w/IORDY:120}, tDMA={min:120,rec:120}
> >  PIO modes:  pio0 pio1 pio2 pio3 pio4
> >  DMA modes:  mdma0 mdma1 mdma2
> >  UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 *udma5
> >  AdvancedPM=yes: mode=0x80 (128) WriteCache=enabled
> >  Drive conforms to: ATA/ATAPI-6 T13 1410D revision 3a: 
> > ATA/ATAPI-2,3,4,5,6
> >
> >  * signifies the current active mode
> > 
>
> So is it a Hitachi or IBM?  I was curious since mine is a Maxtor and has
> similar errors.  I had a thread a while back.  Here is some of the info
> I was given to read.

lshw tells me it is a Hitachi:
===
  *-disk
   description: ATA Disk
   product: IC25N020ATMR04-0
   vendor: Hitachi
   physical id: 0
   bus info: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   logical name: /dev/hda
   version: MO1OAD5A
   serial: MRX107K1DS623H
   size: 18GB
   capacity: 18GB
   capabilities: ata dma lba iordy smart security pm apm 
partitioned partitioned:dos
   configuration: apm=off mode=udma5 smart=on

===
>
> http://labs.google.com/papers/disk_failures.pdf
>
> http://scottstuff.net/blog/articles/2005/01/08/anatomy-of-a-drive-failure
>
> Maybe something will make sense.

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Re: [gentoo-user] FS for laptop

[Mick]

On Thursday 20 December 2007, Dan Farrell wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 22:40:48 -0600
>
> Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Philip Webb wrote:
> > > 071218 Sergey Kobzar wrote:
> > >> - ReiserFS looks unsupported now
> > >
> > > What do you base that assessment on ?  It's true
> > > that RFS 4 was going nowhere even before its creator's legal
> > > problems, but RFS 3 is still well-supported as a Gentoo pkg, isn't
> > > it ? When I installed Gentoo on my new desktop machine recently,
> > > I used RFS 3 for everything except  /boot  (which is Ext2).
> >
> > I too use ReiserFS for everything but /boot.  I used to use it for
> > that but the 32MB thing sort of got me to change it to ext3.  I have
> > had no problems with file system errors.  I have three hard drives
> > and 9 partitions, 8 are ReiserFS, and it works great.  I may even give
> > ReiserFS 4 a shot in the future.  I'm not sure if it is even being
> > developed any more tho.  Anybody hear anything on that?
> >
> > Dale
> >
> > :-)  :-)  :-)
>
> I, too, use reiserfs for everything I can.  EXT3, the last time I used
> it, is much slower,  Sure, you can tweak it, but you can do that to
> Reiser too.  I trust it now, and don't intend to switch to anything
> else any time soon.
>
> I have always found this FS review well presented and very useful:
> http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/388

Hmm, this article suggests that XFS is the best thing since sliced bread . . . 
especially for files greater than 500MB.  Not sure I've got many of these.

Has anyone got a particularly good experience with XFS vs e.g. Reiserfs?  What 
about JFS?
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Re: [gentoo-user] Mounting Question...

[Mick]

On Thursday 20 December 2007, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:12:17 +0100, Dirk Heinrichs wrote:
> > Then, create a volume group spawning [hs]da3 with name vg00 (you can
> > choose the name freely) and create logical volumes inside:
>
> I'd use a less generic name, otherwise you'll have problems if the
> computer fails and you try to connect the disk to another computer that
> has a vg00 volume group. I generally use a name related to the computer's
> hostname, which avoids conflicts.

I can already see that this thread is going to run, and run, and ...  :)

These days most people do not have a separate /boot partition as has already 
been mentioned.  Depending on the size of your disk and your need for a swap 
partition you may want to have it at the beginning of a partition, or for 
larger disks in the middle.  At the beginning you get faster read/write and 
in the middle you get faster access (I'm splitting hairs here, but it's fun 
anyway).  Certain partitions (if you decide to go for multi-partition scheme) 
like /var/tmp, /tmp, /usr will benefit being at the beginning of the disk. 
Others (e.g. /root, /mnt, /sbin less so).

Unlike commonly perceived wisdom I don't think that LVM is a panacea for all 
ills, or a necessity as such.  It is however bloody convenient, especially on 
a growing fs.  A server that is not expected to change much in size, probably 
does not need it.  On the other hand some servers (file, mail, news servers) 
are bound to continue to accumulate data and their fs will increase in time.  
I would argue that the former type of server can happily live in a few primary 
partitions + 1 extended with a number of logical partitions, if you are going 
for a multi-partitioned scheme, while the latter type of server will greatly 
benefit from LVM.  Of course, if hard drive redundancy is necessary, then I 
can't see how you could live without LVM + RAID.

With regards to your 47G /usr/portage partition I think that it is a waste of 
space.  It won't harm you other than the fact that the 3.8G OS partition is 
in all likelihood too small.  This is what I would do: tar the contents 
of /usr/portage elsewhere (even in the 3.8G partition - it should fit if you 
clear any cruft and, or use bzip).  Delete the 47G partition and use gparted 
to enlarge the 3.8G partition to say, 8-10G.  Then create a new partition say 
another 8-10G for /usr/portage.  Then create anymore separate partitions you 
may need (for /home and what have you). mkfs as required, modify 
your /etc/fstab and move your data in your respective new partitions.  If you 
think your fs is/are going to grow use LVM instead, otherwise primaries and 
if you need more than 4 then (extended + logical).

Just my 2c's.
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Re: [gentoo-user] smartd Prefailure messages

[Dale]

Mick wrote:
> On Thursday 20 December 2007, Dale wrote:
>   
>> 
>> I get those a lot too.  I have a question, can you post the output of
>> hdparm -i /dev/hda .  I have two Maxtor drives and both of mine gives a
>> very similar error.  My Western Digital doesn't have any errors at all.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> :-)  :-)
>> 
>
> Here ya' go:
> 
> # hdparm -i /dev/hda
>
> /dev/hda:
>
>  Model=IC25N020ATMR04-0, FwRev=MO1OAD5A, SerialNo=MRX107K1DS623H
>  Config={ HardSect NotMFM HdSw>15uSec Fixed DTR>10Mbs }
>  RawCHS=16383/16/63, TrkSize=0, SectSize=0, ECCbytes=4
>  BuffType=DualPortCache, BuffSize=1740kB, MaxMultSect=16, MultSect=16
>  CurCHS=17475/15/63, CurSects=16513875, LBA=yes, LBAsects=39070080
>  IORDY=on/off, tPIO={min:240,w/IORDY:120}, tDMA={min:120,rec:120}
>  PIO modes:  pio0 pio1 pio2 pio3 pio4 
>  DMA modes:  mdma0 mdma1 mdma2 
>  UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 *udma5 
>  AdvancedPM=yes: mode=0x80 (128) WriteCache=enabled
>  Drive conforms to: ATA/ATAPI-6 T13 1410D revision 3a:  ATA/ATAPI-2,3,4,5,6
>
>  * signifies the current active mode
> 
>   


So is it a Hitachi or IBM?  I was curious since mine is a Maxtor and has
similar errors.  I had a thread a while back.  Here is some of the info
I was given to read.

http://labs.google.com/papers/disk_failures.pdf

http://scottstuff.net/blog/articles/2005/01/08/anatomy-of-a-drive-failure

Maybe something will make sense. 

Dale 

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Ditch webmail?

[Mick]

On Thursday 20 December 2007, Randy Barlow wrote:
> Grant wrote:
> > I used mutt for a long time but when I tried squirrelmail my
> > productivity when up 5 fold.  I'm thinking switching to a desktop app
> > would be even better.  Plus no PHP on my server.
>
> I like Thunderbird.

I think that it is simply a matter of choice of access.  If you want to access 
your messages from anywhere, then a webmail can be useful.  On the other hand 
if you have access to a mail client (laptop, pda, smartphone) then webmail 
can be redundant.  A webmail (unless run on the LAN) will always experience 
some latency compared to a mail client and over a dial up, well it'll feel 
glacial.

I have been using Kmail, which has evolved to become a pretty stable 
application (well, compared to what it was like 4 years ago ;p ) and have 
also used Opera's mail client/news agent (because it's simple, lightweight 
and errm . . . it's just there).  On the other hand, if you also use MS 
Windows, then Thunderbird brings familiarity because it exists on both OS'.

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Re: [gentoo-user] smartd Prefailure messages

[Mick]

On Thursday 20 December 2007, Dale wrote:
> Mick wrote:
> > This has been going on for some time, but nothing has yet gone bang!  I
> > can't understand what the errors mean.  They seem to occur every other
> > day.  The machine is a laptop.  Also I am not sure if these errors
> > occurred when I forced a reboot a few times when a WiFi USB driver
> > crashed and locked up my keyboard.  Should I be worried?
> >
> > ==
> > # cat /var/log/messages | grep Prefailure
> > Dec 17 13:36:15 lappy smartd[6284]: Device: /dev/hda, SMART Prefailure
> > Attribute: 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate changed from 99 to 98
> > Dec 17 22:00:27 lappy smartd[6267]: Device: /dev/hda, SMART Prefailure
> > Attribute: 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate changed from 98 to 99
> > Dec 19 14:37:02 lappy smartd[6268]: Device: /dev/hda, SMART Prefailure
> > Attribute: 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate changed from 99 to 100
> > Dec 19 14:37:02 lappy smartd[6268]: Device: /dev/hda, SMART Prefailure
> > Attribute: 2 Throughput_Performance changed from 105 to 100
> > Dec 19 14:37:02 lappy smartd[6268]: Device: /dev/hda, SMART Prefailure
> > Attribute: 8 Seek_Time_Performance changed from 120 to 100
> > Dec 19 16:07:01 lappy smartd[6268]: Device: /dev/hda, SMART Prefailure
> > Attribute: 2 Throughput_Performance changed from 100 to 105
> > Dec 19 16:07:01 lappy smartd[6268]: Device: /dev/hda, SMART Prefailure
> > Attribute: 8 Seek_Time_Performance changed from 100 to 116
> > ==
>
> I get those a lot too.  I have a question, can you post the output of
> hdparm -i /dev/hda .  I have two Maxtor drives and both of mine gives a
> very similar error.  My Western Digital doesn't have any errors at all.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-)

Here ya' go:

# hdparm -i /dev/hda

/dev/hda:

 Model=IC25N020ATMR04-0, FwRev=MO1OAD5A, SerialNo=MRX107K1DS623H
 Config={ HardSect NotMFM HdSw>15uSec Fixed DTR>10Mbs }
 RawCHS=16383/16/63, TrkSize=0, SectSize=0, ECCbytes=4
 BuffType=DualPortCache, BuffSize=1740kB, MaxMultSect=16, MultSect=16
 CurCHS=17475/15/63, CurSects=16513875, LBA=yes, LBAsects=39070080
 IORDY=on/off, tPIO={min:240,w/IORDY:120}, tDMA={min:120,rec:120}
 PIO modes:  pio0 pio1 pio2 pio3 pio4 
 DMA modes:  mdma0 mdma1 mdma2 
 UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 *udma5 
 AdvancedPM=yes: mode=0x80 (128) WriteCache=enabled
 Drive conforms to: ATA/ATAPI-6 T13 1410D revision 3a:  ATA/ATAPI-2,3,4,5,6

 * signifies the current active mode

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Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Ditch webmail?

[Martins]

On Thursday 20 December 2007 19:44:12 b.n. wrote:
> Grant ha scritto:
> > I've been using squirrelmail on my server and I think I'd like to
> > switch to a desktop app.  I'm the only user.  Is sylpheed-claws the
> > only one bound to satisfy a Gentooer?  Is anyone pro-webmail?
>
> I use Thunderbird. Go figure. :)
> m.


I use Kmail when at home, and squirrelmail for fresh mail on webserver at home 
from work. I'm only user.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Mounting Question...

[Benjamen R. Meyer]

Dirk Heinrichs wrote:
> On Thursday 20 December 2007 10:50:33 Benjamen R. Meyer wrote:
>> I set up a server system a little while ago, and in performing updates
>> to portage it ran out of disk space as I didn't quite allow enough space
>> on the root partition (3.8 GB).
> That's way too much. 256M is enough.

/ is the primary drive for the OS; I typically only off-load to other
partitions for user stuff. On the server, I initially only offloaded
/home and /usr/local; but in the crisis of the "out of diskspace" issue,
I ended up also offloading /var/tmp and /usr/portage.

>> As a result, I took a partition that I had cleaned up (this was from a
>> rebuild of a system that was a different
>> distro in the past) and moved over /usr/portage to it. It's a 47 GB
>> partition (as reported by df -h) and the system works fine.
>> I do realize that if the mount command got screwed up, I'd probably have
>> issues recovering the system, but that is that system.
>> I am now thinking of converting my desktop over to Gentoo as well, and
>> was wondering whether what I did above on the server was wise or not.
> I think it is not. You'll undoubtedly get different answers about this,
> but IMHO it is best (regardless what kind of system) to use small,
> special purpose logical volumes. This way you can add space when needed,
> use the filesystem that fits best for the kind of data you store on this
> volume and have a certain degree of safety against volume corruption.
> Here is what I would recommend for a normal linux system:
> [hs]da1: /boot, 64M, ext2
> [hs]da2: /, 256M, ext3 or xfs
> [hs]da3: LVM
> Then, create a volume group spawning [hs]da3 with name vg00 (you can
> choose the name freely) and create logical volumes inside:
> /dev/vg00/swap: size as needed, swapfs # can be omitted if enough RAM
> /dev/vg00/usr: /usr, 2-5G (dep. on number of pkgs), ext3 or xfs
> /dev/vg00/var: /var, 512M-1G, ext3 or xfs
> For /home, I prefer to have one LV per user, like /dev/vg00/john_doe,
> /dev/vg00/jane_doe and have the kernel automounter mount them on demand
> (at login time).
>> I will be using the server as the portage provider for my desktop too.
>> Otherwise, what is the recommended space to have available for the
>> portage tree in /usr/portage so I can have root as an appropriately
>> sized partition?
> Here again, I use the kernel automounter to mount three different LVs
> under /gentoo when needed: /dev/vg00/build (5.5G to be able to build
> OO.org), /dev/vg00/distfiles for the source packages and
> /dev/vg00/overlays for overlays, incl. the portage tree.
> On the desktop machine, you should be able to mount distfiles and
> overlays from the server via NFS. The build volume I would leave locally
> on the desktop to get faster build times (unless your network connection
> to your server is faster than harddisc access).

I don't like using NFS much...guess I'll have to change that as I would
like to centralize my server as a one-stop shop for usernames and
passwords for the few systems on my network - server, desktop, and a
laptop at present, but there will also be a few others shortly too. The
laptop runs Windows 2k, so it'll just auth against Samba...any how...to
get back to this issue...

I haven't played with LVM yet. It's been something that's intrigued me,
but I haven't ever researched it much to play with it. What you guys
propose above and in this thread is quite interesting, so I'll follow up
with this question:

Right now I have the server configured per drives as follows:

/dev/hda1   /3.8 GB   4096.19 MB
/dev/hda2   /home   15.0 GB  15356.60 MB
/dev/hda3   SWAP 2.6 GB   2665.00 MB
/dev/hda4   /usr/local   4.9 GB   5255.96 MB

/dev/hdb1   EMPTY   66.3 GB  67875.02 MB
/dev/hdb2   /var/tmp28.0 GB  30721.43 MB
/dev/hdb3   /usr/portage47.0 GB  51202.37 MB
/dev/hdb4   SWAP10.0 GB  10240.48 MB

It's only got a 192 MB of RAM - a PII/233, so I'm giving it generous
swap space. (My desktop is an AMD64 with  a gig of RAM.) I seem to have
a sizable partition free (hdb1), so this just might work - but how would
you guys propose I transition from the above setup to an LVM setup? All
partitions are currently ext3 (my preferred fs for linux).

I don't think I'd be able to do that on my desktop right now...namely in
that rebuilding it from Slackware to Gentoo is going to be trying
enough, but I think I can manage it - namely from the side of downtime,
but I'd also like to try to fully utilize the AMD64 in the system -
meaning 64-bit where possible. Any how...for now, I'd like to hear about
the LVM conversion for the server; I'll bring up the other issues later
in different threads when I have the time to address them, but the LVM
stuff is intriguing enough that I might be able to squeeze it in in
short order if I can do it without risking data, or having to rebuil

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo Rules

[Dan Farrell]

On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 10:09:09 -0800
Grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Does anyone have a web server they would lend me a page of?  I have
> one but it hosts my business website and I don't want it to become the
> target of super-savvy folk.  ftp, ssh, even copy-paste would be
> greatly appreciated.  Just one page.

Absolutely, if you don't mind it being on my home webserver.  I am even
getting a little bandwith upgrade at the end of the month.  

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Re: [gentoo-user] FS for laptop

[Dan Farrell]

On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 22:40:48 -0600
Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Philip Webb wrote:
> > 071218 Sergey Kobzar wrote:
> >   
> >> - ReiserFS looks unsupported now
> >> 
> >
> > What do you base that assessment on ?  It's true
> > that RFS 4 was going nowhere even before its creator's legal
> > problems, but RFS 3 is still well-supported as a Gentoo pkg, isn't
> > it ? When I installed Gentoo on my new desktop machine recently,
> > I used RFS 3 for everything except  /boot  (which is Ext2).
> >
> >   
> 
> I too use ReiserFS for everything but /boot.  I used to use it for
> that but the 32MB thing sort of got me to change it to ext3.  I have
> had no problems with file system errors.  I have three hard drives
> and 9 partitions, 8 are ReiserFS, and it works great.  I may even give
> ReiserFS 4 a shot in the future.  I'm not sure if it is even being
> developed any more tho.  Anybody hear anything on that?
> 
> Dale
> 
> :-)  :-)  :-) 

I, too, use reiserfs for everything I can.  EXT3, the last time I used
it, is much slower,  Sure, you can tweak it, but you can do that to
Reiser too.  I trust it now, and don't intend to switch to anything
else any time soon.  

I have always found this FS review well presented and very useful:
http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/388
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo Rules

[Grant]

> > > > > Multiple great ideas have already been suggested in this
> > > > > thread.  Is this the first time they've been conceived and
> > > > > shared?  Why hasn't work begun on them?  Why isn't work
> > > > > completed on them?  Because living costs money and Gentoo
> > > > > doesn't pay.
> > > >
> > > > > I've been in business for 7 years and I'd like to take a shot at
> > > > > designing a system that would pay Gentoo developers to develop.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Oh, I've taken this approach several times. My simple idea was to
> > > > for an individual or company to solicit specific things they want,
> > > > like a meta package for secure E-commerce. I'd 'Poney' up the
> > > > funds and the greater community benefits.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > No takers.   I'd throw a few thousand dollars at such a venture.
> > > > I'm sure other would donate to.   Anyone interested? (serious
> > > > doubts among the dev ranks).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Gentoo is a 'boys club' and any mention of using it formally to
> > > > make money (for the greater gentoo community) sends the squirrels
> > > > with their "nuts" running for cover.
> > >
> > > How about this.
> > >
> > > You create an account on the Program's website and choose which herd
> > > or project you want to support.  Your selection can be changed as
> > > often as you like, and you can view a report corresponding herds and
> > > historical support.
> > >
> > > The Program's maintainers set up affiliate accounts with as many
> > > websites as possible.  Amazon, Buy.com, etc.  When you want to make
> > > a purchase from one of these sites, you first log into your account
> > > and use the provided affiliate link.  The Program distributes the
> > > associated affiliate payouts as you have specified.  Each affiliate
> > > payout and support payout would be trackable on the website to
> > > ensure integrity.
> > >
> > > Of course there are details to be worked out, but I can't think of
> > > anything that would block the project.
> > >
> > > I've made three purchases from Amazon in the last week or two.
> > > Those should have benefited the portage devs.
> > >
> > > This is very simple and, of course, applicable to a lot more than
> > > Gentoo, which makes me wonder if it has already been implemented
> > > somewhere.
> > >
> > > - Grant
> >
> > What do you think fellows?  Good idea?  Bad idea?  Am I the only one
> > who thinks monetary support would stimulate Gentoo development?
> >
> > - Grant
>
> I think this is a good idea, and it appears that Amazon.com already
> supports that kind of thing from what you're saying here.l  I don't
> know if money would help the project, but I do know that personally I
> don't have much time to devote to my hobbies like Gentoo, but have a
> lot more time for work than pleasure.  So, for some of the development
> community, money might really help free up some resources.

That's what I'm thinking Dan.  I emailed Amazon about this yesterday
and we'll see what they say.  If it's OK, I'm going to set up an
affiliate account, pick a beneficiary, and try to get people to buy
via the link right away.  That's the quick start.

Does anyone have a web server they would lend me a page of?  I have
one but it hosts my business website and I don't want it to become the
target of super-savvy folk.  ftp, ssh, even copy-paste would be
greatly appreciated.  Just one page.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Python vs C++ [was: Gentoo Rules]

[Dan Farrell]

On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:24:01 +0100
Bo Ørsted Andresen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Which would add an awful lot of complexity and require major design
> changes in order to gain anything. The beauty of the ebuild format is
> its simplicity. I don't really think it's worth it.

I agree.  I have noticed that for general emerge operations, about 1GHz
of processor power will be able to hit the I/O bandwith cap on my
fastest drives.  In other words, I don't think lots of the time spent
withh portage -- on modern systems -- is on the processor.  

You'd have better results -- and an easier time -- if you optimized the
FS for Portage, I would imagine.  
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo Rules

[Dan Farrell]

On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:31:58 -0800
Grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > > > Multiple great ideas have already been suggested in this
> > > > thread.  Is this the first time they've been conceived and
> > > > shared?  Why hasn't work begun on them?  Why isn't work
> > > > completed on them?  Because living costs money and Gentoo
> > > > doesn't pay.
> > >
> > > > I've been in business for 7 years and I'd like to take a shot at
> > > > designing a system that would pay Gentoo developers to develop.
> > >
> > >
> > > Oh, I've taken this approach several times. My simple idea was to
> > > for an individual or company to solicit specific things they want,
> > > like a meta package for secure E-commerce. I'd 'Poney' up the
> > > funds and the greater community benefits.
> > >
> > >
> > > No takers.   I'd throw a few thousand dollars at such a venture.
> > > I'm sure other would donate to.   Anyone interested? (serious
> > > doubts among the dev ranks).
> > >
> > >
> > > Gentoo is a 'boys club' and any mention of using it formally to
> > > make money (for the greater gentoo community) sends the squirrels
> > > with their "nuts" running for cover.
> >
> > How about this.
> >
> > You create an account on the Program's website and choose which herd
> > or project you want to support.  Your selection can be changed as
> > often as you like, and you can view a report corresponding herds and
> > historical support.
> >
> > The Program's maintainers set up affiliate accounts with as many
> > websites as possible.  Amazon, Buy.com, etc.  When you want to make
> > a purchase from one of these sites, you first log into your account
> > and use the provided affiliate link.  The Program distributes the
> > associated affiliate payouts as you have specified.  Each affiliate
> > payout and support payout would be trackable on the website to
> > ensure integrity.
> >
> > Of course there are details to be worked out, but I can't think of
> > anything that would block the project.
> >
> > I've made three purchases from Amazon in the last week or two.
> > Those should have benefited the portage devs.
> >
> > This is very simple and, of course, applicable to a lot more than
> > Gentoo, which makes me wonder if it has already been implemented
> > somewhere.
> >
> > - Grant
> 
> What do you think fellows?  Good idea?  Bad idea?  Am I the only one
> who thinks monetary support would stimulate Gentoo development?
> 
> - Grant

I think this is a good idea, and it appears that Amazon.com already
supports that kind of thing from what you're saying here.l  I don't
know if money would help the project, but I do know that personally I
don't have much time to devote to my hobbies like Gentoo, but have a
lot more time for work than pleasure.  So, for some of the development
community, money might really help free up some resources.  

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Re: [gentoo-user] Mounting Question...

[Dan Farrell]

On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 09:50:33 +
"Benjamen R. Meyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I set up a server system a little while ago, and in performing updates
> to portage it ran out of disk space as I didn't quite allow enough
> space on the root partition (3.8 GB). As a result, I took a partition
> that I had cleaned up (this was from a rebuild of a system that was a
> different distro in the past) and moved over /usr/portage to it. It's
> a 47 GB partition (as reported by df -h) and the system works fine.

47 Gigs is quite a lot of space for the portage tree.  The ebuilds
take up a few hundred megabytes, and the distfiles generally fill up a
few gigs by the time you get everything installed (i recommend you keep
them around, if you plan to share portage with others).  The amount of
space you provide is overkill -- but more importantly, I worry that you
may need to reclaim some of that 47GB to use for your root partition,
as 3.8GB isn't a particularly large amount for this, especially if you
have /var on that partition as well.  

I generally go 5 or 10 gigs for a root partition, the latter being more
appropriate for a general purpose graphical workstation.  My shared
portage tree has been deployed for quite a while now and is about 5.4
gigs, with roughly 5G of that accounted for by distfiles.  

> I am now thinking of converting my desktop over to Gentoo as well, and
> was wondering whether what I did above on the server was wise or not.
> I will be using the server as the portage provider for my desktop too.
> Otherwise, what is the recommended space to have available for the
> portage tree in /usr/portage so I can have root as an appropriately
> sized partition?

I believe that sharing portage between computers is wise whenever the
client is guaranteed to have access to the tree when new programs are
required.  In other words, it works great for desktops.  The
configuration might come back to haunt you if you are off your own
network and need to install a new program on your laptop.  
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[gentoo-user] Openoffice does not accept keyboard inp ut (such as üéè)

[Erik]

I have 2 systems with Gentoo and Openoffice. It is built with the
USE-flags "cups firefox kde pam" and nothing else on both systems. On
one system it is impossible to write certain letters, such as üéè.
Nothing happens when first the ¨ key and then the u key is pressed. It
works in all programs in KDE and also in Firefox and emacs. Only
Openoffice fails. The users are complaining. On the other system it
works fine in all programs, including Openoffice. I have no idea why it
behaves like this. Thanks in advance for any help!
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Mounting Question...

[Dan Farrell]

On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 16:11:19 +0100
Dirk Heinrichs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> leave it out completely on systems with >=1G RAM, but there may be
> cases where swap is needed even with this large amount of memory.

I don't think this is wise, as context switching in low-memory
scenarios seems to perform much better if there is just a little
swap space to be used.  Furthermore, that way programs don't die if the
memory runs out.  
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Ditch webmail?

[Dan Farrell]

On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 12:19:13 -0500
Randy Barlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  Plus no PHP on my server.  

How can you have a webserver without PHP?  I cringe : )

> I like Thunderbird.

I don't.  Thunderbird is, like most mozilla products, slow an bloated.
Claws-Mail (as sylpheed is now called, BTW) is light and fast.  I am
not a mutt user, and find mouse drag-and drop and navigation a huge
productivity boost.  I would certainly recommend claws.  
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Re: [gentoo-user] How cam I get system to recognize MagicSysReq while in X gui?

[Boris Fersing]

On Dec 18, 2007 3:41 AM, Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 05:53:18 +0100, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
>
> > the 'best' sequence is e-i-u-b (u = remount ro also syncs.. and leaves
> > the fs in a clean state).
> >
> > To get the keyboard back from X try K (to sack X) or R (to pry it out
> > of X cold, dead fingers).
>
> If you can SSH into the machine, you can also do it with
>
> echo u >/proc/sysrq-trigger
> echo b >/proc/sysrq-trigger
>
> Do not use e or i this way as they will kill sshd.

Or just type 'reboot' (or anything else you want to do) ?   =_='

Boris.
>
>
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>
> Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool.
>



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Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Ditch webmail?

[b.n.]

Grant ha scritto:
> I've been using squirrelmail on my server and I think I'd like to
> switch to a desktop app.  I'm the only user.  Is sylpheed-claws the
> only one bound to satisfy a Gentooer?  Is anyone pro-webmail?

I use Thunderbird. Go figure. :)
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Ditch webmail?

[Randy Barlow]

Grant wrote:
> I used mutt for a long time but when I tried squirrelmail my
> productivity when up 5 fold.  I'm thinking switching to a desktop app
> would be even better.  Plus no PHP on my server.

I like Thunderbird.

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Re: [gentoo-user] How cam I get system to recognize MagicSysReq while in X gui?

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

On Thursday 20 December 2007, Peter Humphrey wrote:

> On Wednesday 19 December 2007 22:58:25 Walter Dnes wrote:
> > This is a wonderful idea, and I have it implemented now.
>
> Sounds pretty good to me too!
>
> > emerge acpi
>
> Doing that didn't give me this file:
> > change the uncommented lines in /etc/acpi/events/default to read
> > event=.*
> > action=chvt 1
>
> What other packages do I need to install, besides sys-power/acpi?

You have to emerge sys-power/acpid, not sys-power/acpi.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Ditch webmail?

[Grant]

> > I've been using squirrelmail on my server and I think I'd like to
> > switch to a desktop app.  I'm the only user.  Is sylpheed-claws the
> > only one bound to satisfy a Gentooer?
>
> Nah, mutt is the only mail client for the truely Gentoo-at-heart.

I used mutt for a long time but when I tried squirrelmail my
productivity when up 5 fold.  I'm thinking switching to a desktop app
would be even better.  Plus no PHP on my server.

- Grant

> > Is anyone pro-webmail?
>
> I guess it's better than smoke signals...
>
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[gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Ditch webmail?

[Grant Edwards]

On 2007-12-20, Grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I've been using squirrelmail on my server and I think I'd like to
> switch to a desktop app.  I'm the only user.  Is sylpheed-claws the
> only one bound to satisfy a Gentooer?

Nah, mutt is the only mail client for the truely Gentoo-at-heart.

> Is anyone pro-webmail?

I guess it's better than smoke signals...

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[gentoo-user] re-emerge glibc after linux-headers update?

[Grant]

The ELOG for my linux-headers update says:

Kernel headers are usually only used when recompiling your system libc, as
such, following the installation of newer headers, it is advised that you
re-merge your system libc.
Failure to do so will cause your system libc to not make use of newer
features present in the updated kernel headers.

Should I re-emerge glibc?

- Grant
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Re: [gentoo-user] Excellent Paludis interview

[Neil Bothwick]

On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 08:46:12 -0600, Marzan, Richard non Unisys wrote:

> Portage can continue to build packages if one fails.
> 
> # emerge -options package/list_of_packages || until emerge
> -same_options_as_before package/list_of_packages ; do : ;done

Yes it can, but not with this, which will repeatedly try to build the
same package until entropy stops it. You need

emerge -opts pkglist || untill emerge --resume --skipfirst; do : ; done

but this is a kludge as you will be eying to build packages when their
dependencies failed. I would hope the paludis option is more intelligent.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Persistent revdep-rebuild issues: sun-jdk-1.4.2.16

[Neil Bothwick]

On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:40:29 +0100, purple wrote:

> > This should really go in /etc/revdep-rebuild/99revdep-rebuild
> > nowadays. 
> same thing continue to bugs me even with this :\
> dev-java/sun-jdk-1.4.2.16 rebilds again :|

Doesn't the ebuild create such a file for you? I
have /etc/revdep-rebuild/61-sun-jdk-1.6 containing
SEARCH_DIRS_MASK="/opt/sun-jdk-1.6.0.03"


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Re: [gentoo-user] Mounting Question...

[Neil Bothwick]

On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:12:17 +0100, Dirk Heinrichs wrote:

> Then, create a volume group spawning [hs]da3 with name vg00 (you can
> choose the name freely) and create logical volumes inside:

I'd use a less generic name, otherwise you'll have problems if the
computer fails and you try to connect the disk to another computer that
has a vg00 volume group. I generally use a name related to the computer's
hostname, which avoids conflicts.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Mounting Question...

[Dirk Heinrichs]

On Thursday 20 December 2007 15:39:59 Alexander Skwar wrote:
> Dirk Heinrichs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Here is what I would recommend for a normal linux system:
> >
> > [hs]da1: /boot, 64M, ext2
> > [hs]da2: /, 256M, ext3 or xfs
> > [hs]da3: LVM
>
> I used to use something like this for a long time as well,
> but I think it was Neil from this list, who made me think
> about that - what's the use of /boot here? Why a seperate
> /boot partition?

OK, in reality I have / on LVM also (needs an initramfs, of course), so I need 
to have them separated. The other reason is fs choice. If you don't need this, 
you can also merge / and /boot.

> I don't have swap on LVM, as I'd like to do suspend-to-disk,
> which is easier to do with an old-style partition. And I
> also don't resize my swap partition. But if I'd need *additional*
> swap, I'd create that as a LV on LVM - it's just the "primary"
> SWAP, which I like to keep off-LVM.

Good point. I also don't do suspend-to-disk, so I make it a LV or even leave it 
out completely on systems with >=1G RAM, but there may be cases where swap is 
needed even with this large amount of memory.

Bye...

Dirk

[gentoo-user] {OT} Ditch webmail?

[Grant]

I've been using squirrelmail on my server and I think I'd like to
switch to a desktop app.  I'm the only user.  Is sylpheed-claws the
only one bound to satisfy a Gentooer?  Is anyone pro-webmail?

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RE: [gentoo-user] Excellent Paludis interview

[Marzan, Richard non Unisys]

Portage can continue to build packages if one fails.

# emerge -options package/list_of_packages || until emerge 
-same_options_as_before package/list_of_packages ; do : ;done

All with a little help from bash, of course. I think Andressen taught me this 
trick. It makes no sense to leave your box on overnight only to find that it 
quit emerge 10 minutes into your sleep because of one package failure to 
install/build. 

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> -Original Message-
> From: Iain Buchanan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 8:46 PM
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Excellent Paludis interview
> 
> 
> On Wed, 2007-12-19 at 22:42 +0100, Zsitvai János wrote:
> 
> > And the recent addition of the option '--continue-on-failure' won me
> > over all over again. :)
> 
> I've been wondering for a long time why portage doesn't continue with
> building other packages when one fails - so long as deps are met why
> stop?
> 
> Acutally, while I'm on the subject of features - here's another one I'd
> like to see:  parallel merges instead of parallel makes.  Since many
> packages have problems with MAKEOPTS, it doesn't help with configure
> scripts anyway and other parts of the process, why not spawn 2 or 3
> emerges automatically?  Each one could do it's own "tree" of packages
> and dependencies that don't affect the other...  would be nice IMHO.
> 
> cya,
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[gentoo-user] Re: Mounting Question...

[Alexander Skwar]

Dirk Heinrichs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Here is what I would recommend for a normal linux system:
> 
> [hs]da1: /boot, 64M, ext2
> [hs]da2: /, 256M, ext3 or xfs
> [hs]da3: LVM

I used to use something like this for a long time as well,
but I think it was Neil from this list, who made me think
about that - what's the use of /boot here? Why a seperate
/boot partition?

Anyway, I now stopped using a seperate /boot and "integrated"
it with /, so that I only need to have this:

[hs]da1: /, 512m, ext3, reiserfs or maybe xfs
[hs]da2: swap, size as needed
[hs]da3: LVM

I don't have swap on LVM, as I'd like to do suspend-to-disk,
which is easier to do with an old-style partition. And I 
also don't resize my swap partition. But if I'd need *additional*
swap, I'd create that as a LV on LVM - it's just the "primary"
SWAP, which I like to keep off-LVM.

Regards,

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Re: [gentoo-user] Persistent revdep-rebuild issues: sun-jdk-1.4.2.16

[purple]

i tried what Neil suggested:

> put this in your make.conf:
> SEARCH_DIRS_MASK="/opt /home"
> This should really go in /etc/revdep-rebuild/99revdep-rebuild nowadays.
>
same thing continue to bugs me even with this :\
dev-java/sun-jdk-1.4.2.16 rebilds again :|


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Re: [gentoo-user] smartd Prefailure messages

[b.n.]

Mick ha scritto:
> This has been going on for some time, but nothing has yet gone bang!  I can't 
> understand what the errors mean.  They seem to occur every other day.  The 
> machine is a laptop.  Also I am not sure if these errors occurred when I 
> forced a reboot a few times when a WiFi USB driver crashed and locked up my 
> keyboard.  Should I be worried?
> 
> ==
> # cat /var/log/messages | grep Prefailure
> Dec 17 13:36:15 lappy smartd[6284]: Device: /dev/hda, SMART Prefailure 
> Attribute: 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate changed from 99 to 98
> Dec 17 22:00:27 lappy smartd[6267]: Device: /dev/hda, SMART Prefailure 
> Attribute: 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate changed from 98 to 99
> Dec 19 14:37:02 lappy smartd[6268]: Device: /dev/hda, SMART Prefailure 
> Attribute: 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate changed from 99 to 100
> Dec 19 14:37:02 lappy smartd[6268]: Device: /dev/hda, SMART Prefailure 
> Attribute: 2 Throughput_Performance changed from 105 to 100
> Dec 19 14:37:02 lappy smartd[6268]: Device: /dev/hda, SMART Prefailure 
> Attribute: 8 Seek_Time_Performance changed from 120 to 100
> Dec 19 16:07:01 lappy smartd[6268]: Device: /dev/hda, SMART Prefailure 
> Attribute: 2 Throughput_Performance changed from 100 to 105
> Dec 19 16:07:01 lappy smartd[6268]: Device: /dev/hda, SMART Prefailure 
> Attribute: 8 Seek_Time_Performance changed from 100 to 116
> ==

Hard to say. Given my experience (recently I had smart warnings on a hd,
which led me to a sweaty internet hunt for meaning of my errors -in my
case, it turned out better to throw it out), they look like non
critical. However, do a smartctl long test to really see what's happening.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Mounting Question...

[Dirk Heinrichs]

On Thursday 20 December 2007 10:50:33 Benjamen R. Meyer wrote:

> I set up a server system a little while ago, and in performing updates
> to portage it ran out of disk space as I didn't quite allow enough space
> on the root partition (3.8 GB).

That's way too much. 256M is enough.

> As a result, I took a partition that I had cleaned up (this was from a
> rebuild of a system that was a different
> distro in the past) and moved over /usr/portage to it. It's a 47 GB
> partition (as reported by df -h) and the system works fine.
>
> I do realize that if the mount command got screwed up, I'd probably have
> issues recovering the system, but that is that system.
>
> I am now thinking of converting my desktop over to Gentoo as well, and
> was wondering whether what I did above on the server was wise or not.

I think it is not. You'll undoubtedly get different answers about this, but 
IMHO it is best (regardless what kind of system) to use small, special purpose 
logical volumes. This way you can add space when needed, use the filesystem 
that fits best for the kind of data you store on this volume and have a certain 
degree of safety against volume corruption.

Here is what I would recommend for a normal linux system:

[hs]da1: /boot, 64M, ext2
[hs]da2: /, 256M, ext3 or xfs
[hs]da3: LVM

Then, create a volume group spawning [hs]da3 with name vg00 (you can choose the 
name freely) and create logical volumes inside:

/dev/vg00/swap: size as needed, swapfs # can be omitted if enough RAM
/dev/vg00/usr: /usr, 2-5G (dep. on number of pkgs), ext3 or xfs
/dev/vg00/var: /var, 512M-1G, ext3 or xfs

For /home, I prefer to have one LV per user, like /dev/vg00/john_doe, 
/dev/vg00/jane_doe and have the kernel automounter mount them on demand (at 
login time).

> I will be using the server as the portage provider for my desktop too.
> Otherwise, what is the recommended space to have available for the
> portage tree in /usr/portage so I can have root as an appropriately
> sized partition?

Here again, I use the kernel automounter to mount three different LVs under 
/gentoo when needed: /dev/vg00/build (5.5G to be able to build OO.org), 
/dev/vg00/distfiles for the source packages and /dev/vg00/overlays for 
overlays, incl. the portage tree.

On the desktop machine, you should be able to mount distfiles and overlays from 
the server via NFS. The build volume I would leave locally on the desktop to 
get faster build times (unless your network connection to your server is faster 
than harddisc access).

HTH...

Dirk

Re: [gentoo-user] Mounting Question...

[Galevsky]

I won't answer you with a size since its mainly depends on your own
needs, but don't you know that solutions like lvm or evms provide lots
of flexibility to manage your HD resources ? I advise you to look at
lvm howto. It allows you to add/remove/move/enlarge your partitions as
you need in a truly painless way. To avoid major mounting problems
(can be done but with caution), let /boot and / outside lvm, and put
the others in logical volumes.

Gal'


On Dec 20, 2007 10:50 AM, Benjamen R. Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I set up a server system a little while ago, and in performing updates
> to portage it ran out of disk space as I didn't quite allow enough space
> on the root partition (3.8 GB). As a result, I took a partition that I
> had cleaned up (this was from a rebuild of a system that was a different
> distro in the past) and moved over /usr/portage to it. It's a 47 GB
> partition (as reported by df -h) and the system works fine.
>
> I do realize that if the mount command got screwed up, I'd probably have
> issues recovering the system, but that is that system.
>
> I am now thinking of converting my desktop over to Gentoo as well, and
> was wondering whether what I did above on the server was wise or not. I
> will be using the server as the portage provider for my desktop too.
> Otherwise, what is the recommended space to have available for the
> portage tree in /usr/portage so I can have root as an appropriately
> sized partition?
>
> TIA,
>
> Ben
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Re: [gentoo-user] smartd Prefailure messages

[Dale]

Mick wrote:
> This has been going on for some time, but nothing has yet gone bang!  I can't 
> understand what the errors mean.  They seem to occur every other day.  The 
> machine is a laptop.  Also I am not sure if these errors occurred when I 
> forced a reboot a few times when a WiFi USB driver crashed and locked up my 
> keyboard.  Should I be worried?
>
> ==
> # cat /var/log/messages | grep Prefailure
> Dec 17 13:36:15 lappy smartd[6284]: Device: /dev/hda, SMART Prefailure 
> Attribute: 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate changed from 99 to 98
> Dec 17 22:00:27 lappy smartd[6267]: Device: /dev/hda, SMART Prefailure 
> Attribute: 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate changed from 98 to 99
> Dec 19 14:37:02 lappy smartd[6268]: Device: /dev/hda, SMART Prefailure 
> Attribute: 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate changed from 99 to 100
> Dec 19 14:37:02 lappy smartd[6268]: Device: /dev/hda, SMART Prefailure 
> Attribute: 2 Throughput_Performance changed from 105 to 100
> Dec 19 14:37:02 lappy smartd[6268]: Device: /dev/hda, SMART Prefailure 
> Attribute: 8 Seek_Time_Performance changed from 120 to 100
> Dec 19 16:07:01 lappy smartd[6268]: Device: /dev/hda, SMART Prefailure 
> Attribute: 2 Throughput_Performance changed from 100 to 105
> Dec 19 16:07:01 lappy smartd[6268]: Device: /dev/hda, SMART Prefailure 
> Attribute: 8 Seek_Time_Performance changed from 100 to 116
> ==
>   


I get those a lot too.  I have a question, can you post the output of
hdparm -i /dev/hda .  I have two Maxtor drives and both of mine gives a
very similar error.  My Western Digital doesn't have any errors at all. 

Thanks.

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] Persistent revdep-rebuild issues: sun-jdk-1.4.2.16

[Peter Humphrey]

On Thursday 20 December 2007 02:53:17 Dale wrote:

> I did a euse -i gcj but it may as well be greek.

When I did that, the output was peppered with these:

/etc/make.conf: line 40: PORTAGE_RSYNC_INITIAL_TIMEOUT: command not found
/etc/make.conf: line 41: PORTAGE_RSYNC_RETRIES: command not found

I see that the former is no longer in /etc/make.conf/example, so I've now 
removed it, but the latter is still there and I'd like to continue to use 
it.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Booting up without X

[Peter Humphrey]

On Tuesday 18 December 2007 16:32:26 Albert Hopkins wrote:

> The way I see it there are two possible solutions:
>
> 1. Create a new runlevel, say "nox" and just don't put xdm in the
> runlevel.  The drawback to this is you have to maintain another
> runlevel.

I don't see what maintenance load this imposes. I have a no-x runlevel for 
when I don't want a GUI, and since creating it and populating it I've never 
had to touch it.

In practice, it turns out that the only differences between my default and 
no-x are the presence of gpm in no-x and of xdm and lm_sensors in default. 
(I use lm_sensors for gkrellm, which of course, although indispensable on 
the desktop, isn't much use in a character display.)

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[gentoo-user] Mounting Question...

[Benjamen R. Meyer]

I set up a server system a little while ago, and in performing updates
to portage it ran out of disk space as I didn't quite allow enough space
on the root partition (3.8 GB). As a result, I took a partition that I
had cleaned up (this was from a rebuild of a system that was a different
distro in the past) and moved over /usr/portage to it. It's a 47 GB
partition (as reported by df -h) and the system works fine.

I do realize that if the mount command got screwed up, I'd probably have
issues recovering the system, but that is that system.

I am now thinking of converting my desktop over to Gentoo as well, and
was wondering whether what I did above on the server was wise or not. I
will be using the server as the portage provider for my desktop too.
Otherwise, what is the recommended space to have available for the
portage tree in /usr/portage so I can have root as an appropriately
sized partition?

TIA,

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[gentoo-user] smartd Prefailure messages

[Mick]

This has been going on for some time, but nothing has yet gone bang!  I can't 
understand what the errors mean.  They seem to occur every other day.  The 
machine is a laptop.  Also I am not sure if these errors occurred when I 
forced a reboot a few times when a WiFi USB driver crashed and locked up my 
keyboard.  Should I be worried?

==
# cat /var/log/messages | grep Prefailure
Dec 17 13:36:15 lappy smartd[6284]: Device: /dev/hda, SMART Prefailure 
Attribute: 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate changed from 99 to 98
Dec 17 22:00:27 lappy smartd[6267]: Device: /dev/hda, SMART Prefailure 
Attribute: 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate changed from 98 to 99
Dec 19 14:37:02 lappy smartd[6268]: Device: /dev/hda, SMART Prefailure 
Attribute: 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate changed from 99 to 100
Dec 19 14:37:02 lappy smartd[6268]: Device: /dev/hda, SMART Prefailure 
Attribute: 2 Throughput_Performance changed from 105 to 100
Dec 19 14:37:02 lappy smartd[6268]: Device: /dev/hda, SMART Prefailure 
Attribute: 8 Seek_Time_Performance changed from 120 to 100
Dec 19 16:07:01 lappy smartd[6268]: Device: /dev/hda, SMART Prefailure 
Attribute: 2 Throughput_Performance changed from 100 to 105
Dec 19 16:07:01 lappy smartd[6268]: Device: /dev/hda, SMART Prefailure 
Attribute: 8 Seek_Time_Performance changed from 100 to 116
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Re: [gentoo-user] realtek 8197 wireless card setup

[Mick]

Hi Jeff,

On Wednesday 19 December 2007, Jeff Cranmer wrote:
> I have checked, and ndiswrapper and  the rtl8187 package were uninstalled.
> I think that the problem I have may be more basic.
>
> The card I have is an 8197, not an 8187.  I wonder if this is part of the
> problem.  Could it be that the kernel driver does not support the 8197?
>
> The attached weblink suggests that this may be the case:
> http://www.datanorth.net/~cuervo/blog/2007/09/26/no-more-vista/
>
> Does anyone know how I can locate the equivalent code in the kernel and
> perhaps perform a similar modification?

(can you please stop top-posting, it makes reading of threads difficult in 
this mailing list).

Your device may still be supported by the driver.  The problem may exist with 
the wpa_supplicant.  You could try commenting out the wpa_supplicant in 
your /etc/conf.d/net file and using net-wireless/wireless-tools instead.  
Then try again to see if it a)finds the access point (try iwlist wlan0 
scanning), b)associates with it (try iwlist wlan0 accesspoint) .  Of course 
you will need to remove WPA from the AP.  Should all this succeed you can 
work your way up from there.

PS.  I haven't managed to make wpa_supplicant work with my device rt2570usb 
for more than a year now, but haven't tried recently.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Emerge multiple-versions-in-same-slot weirdness with X11 libs...

[Dale]

Walter Dnes wrote:
>   I just did an "emerge --sync" followed by an ask fetchonly, which I
> do to avoid unpleasant surprises.  Emerge is sending the following
> message to stderr.  I don't like the concept of masking out stuff for an
> ordinary emerge.  Any idea what gives?
>
> <  SNIP  >
>
>
>   

Ditto.  u, +1 or whatever.  Basically, same thing here.  You are not
alone.

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] Excellent Paludis interview

[Bo Ørsted Andresen]

On Thursday 20 December 2007 09:43:20 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> flagedit will warn you if you have any unsupported USE flags set. That
> and eix-test-obsolete are useful for keeping make.conf and /etc/portage
> clear of cruft.

And the config-decruft ruby script that can be used with Paludis can do the 
same (and more) in a much more verbose manner. :)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Excellent Paludis interview

[Bo Ørsted Andresen]

On Thursday 20 December 2007 10:08:13 Rumen Yotov wrote:
> >> Watch out for some scripts (perl-cleaner, claw-mail, etc.) in which the
> >> use of portage/emerge is embedded. Put 'paludis' as USE-flag.
> >
> > Unless you use a crappy, unsupported overlay no such use flag exists.
[...]
> Regarding claws-mail there's a script to rebuild it's plugins - see elogs.

Ok.

> Since i first tried paludis-0.2.1, may still have some old use info
> (laziness) about paludis USE-flag (IIRC revdep-rebuild & portage-utils,
> etc.had it).
[...]
> There's also a paludis-extras overlay, which is rather separated from
> official paludis but have some nice things (and problems sometimes ;-).

That was actually the 'crappy, unsupported overlay' I was referring to. That 
also is where the packages with a paludis use flag came from.

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Re: [gentoo-user] How cam I get system to recognize MagicSysReq while in X gui?

[Peter Humphrey]

On Wednesday 19 December 2007 22:58:25 Walter Dnes wrote:

> This is a wonderful idea, and I have it implemented now.

Sounds pretty good to me too!

> emerge acpi

Doing that didn't give me this file:

> change the uncommented lines in /etc/acpi/events/default to read
> event=.*
> action=chvt 1

What other packages do I need to install, besides sys-power/acpi?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo on Dell PowerEdge 2600 / 2800? AMI / LSI MegaRAID driver?

[Stroller]

On 20 Dec 2007, at 07:31, Steve Dommett wrote:

On Thursday 20 December 2007, Stroller wrote:

I maintain a few Poweredges, I think mostly 2950.  Just yesterday  
we swapped a
drive on the Fusion MPT SAS controller.  We were prompted to take  
the drive

out of service by an email from 'smartd'...

After failing and removing the drive from the array using 'mdadm',  
we tried
hotswapping the drive, and whilst nothing untoward happened when we  
pulled

the drive there were no kernel messages either. ... We had to
reboot the server to get it to see the replacement drive.


Funnily enough, I've experienced something similar on this 2800 of  
ours the last couple of days, also a prefailure. This machine is  
running Windows, and the new drive was recognised in OpenManage  
Server Administrator  but despite it showing  
exactly the same size (68.24gig) as the other two already installed  
(as RAID1) when I tried to assign it as global hot-spare I got  
directed to a message saying that it was insufficient to accommodate  
all virtual disks.


The Dell tech support guy - who has been BRILLIANTLY helpful over a  
simple failed drive, by the way - advised installing the latest  
firmware updates. After rebooting the drive has been fine, and I was  
able to allocate as hot-spare with a single click, although I guess I  
can't say whether this is because of the updates or of just the  
reboot. But the engineer also mentioned these updates, so multiple  
sources concur, at least. The DRAC remote-administration unit also  
seems much more responsive with the newer firmware.




... I was expecting something
similar to when I've hotplugged SATA drives on my desktop machine.


What controller is in that, please?

Does it do hardware RAID, or is it just a regular SATA controller?

I've been reading a little about hotplugging SATA recently, and as I  
understand it hotplugging is a part of the SATA specification in a  
way that it's not in EIDE (or even SCSI?). But what I read also  
stated that SATA controllers are not _required_ to support hot- 
plugging, either. This makes choosing an SATA more complicated, of  
course - I can't hep thinking it's easiest to plump for a SATA  
controller advertised to do hot-swap hardware RAID - I imagine this  
might be better marketed than a regular SATA controller that happens  
to support hot-swapping (but no RAID).


Due simply to the price of disks we'd tend to choose hot-plug SATA  
RAID over hot-plug SCSI, if were to buy new.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo on Dell PowerEdge 2600 / 2800? AMI / LSI MegaRAID driver?

[Stroller]

On 20 Dec 2007, at 07:26, kashani wrote:

Stroller wrote:
Just a quick question to see if any of the list members are using  
Gentoo - or any other Linux distro for that matter - on Dell  
PowerEdge 2600 or 2800 servers?

...
	I used Redhat, Fedora, and Gentoo on 2550, 1650, 2650, 1750, 1850,  
and 2850 PowerEdge servers ...


Blimey! You obviously know your stuff. So how do you find Gentoo  
measures up to Redhat / Fedora on these machines?


	Other than the CPU/RAM the main different between 2650, 2850, and  
2950 was the SCSI card. I'd choose the 2850 over the 2650 given a  
choice for anything with heavy I/O and the 2950 are noticeably  
faster than the 2850 for our db stuff.


Ours is a 2800, and it's the 2600 that I find most readily / cheaply  
available. Looks like the xx50 models are the rack-mount & lower- 
profile models of the same generation. Looks like they're more  
expensive secondhand and it's not obvious if hot-swap PSUs are  
available?


The machines at this site aren't under high-load, so that's not  
really a problem. We like this class of servers for the redundancy of  
the moving-and-failure-prone kind of parts (PSU & disks).


If I might ask some follow-up questions:
Are the SCSI cards in these models the same brand / chipset / Linux  
driver, please?

Or are they completely different?

The SCSI on 2850's should be megaraid and you want the megaraid-new  
driver and Linux kernels would have issues if you tried to build  
both new and old so just pick new. (this might have changed in the  
past year since I've built a custom kernel for a 2850). I never had  
driver issues with any distro provided kernel or my own kernels.


Thanks for that pointer.

IIRC you can pull the megarc RPMs from Dell's website and install  
them. I never got around to making them work with Gentoo, but it  
shouldn't be terribly hard. I don't know of anything in the normal  
driver that will tell you any ifo about status or failed drives,  
but I never looked that hard.


Hmmmn... googling a bit further I find that `megarc` are the  
userspace utilities for these cards, and that they're only available  
as binaries. I feel my enthusiasm for these units flagging - the cost  
savings of buying secondhand aren't so much that I wouldn't rather  
find a fully-OSS alternative.


I bought most of my 2850's about two years ago. Dual Xeon's, 8GB, 6  
x 10k 146GB drives, and remote management card for about $4000.


Yeah, we paid £1300, I think, at about the same time. Dual Xeons &  
the DRAC, but much less RAM & disk-space.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Excellent Paludis interview

[Ralf Stephan]

> Here is an excellent interview with Ciaran McCreesh about Paludis:
> 
> http://lab.obsethryl.eu/content/paludis-gentoo-and-ciaran-mccreesh-uncensored
> 
> Has anyone here switched from Portage to Paludis?

Yes, and very satisfied. Even with the earlier versions.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Persistent revdep-rebuild issues: sun-jdk-1.4.2.16

[Neil Bothwick]

On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 03:17:03 +0100, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:

> put this in your make.conf:
> SEARCH_DIRS_MASK="/opt /home"

This should really go in /etc/revdep-rebuild/99revdep-rebuild nowadays.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Excellent Paludis interview

[Neil Bothwick]

On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 11:08:13 +0200, Rumen Yotov wrote:

> Regarding claws-mail there's a script to rebuild it's plugins - see
> elogs. Since i first tried paludis-0.2.1, may still have some old use
> info (laziness) about paludis USE-flag (IIRC revdep-rebuild &
> portage-utils, etc.had it).

flagedit will warn you if you have any unsupported USE flags set. That
and eix-test-obsolete are useful for keeping make.conf and /etc/portage
clear of cruft.


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