[H] Intel vs. AMD power consumption..
Not a very sexy subject but heres another link that shows relative power consumption between Intel AMD. Remember that millions of PC's run 24/7 ([EMAIL PROTECTED] etc.) that you and I (as individuals small businesses) can reduce the energy consumption in America and elsewhere considerably by being energy value conscious. Remember that most oil comes from the Middle East and serious sums of $ from Western oil consumption funds Terrorism (Yeah, I like SUV's too but gas is above $50 per barrel..)! Not to mention the fact that it impacts our check books less when we get more value from our limited income's. @:| http://techreport.com/reviews/2004q4/p4-overclock/index.x?pg=10
[H] AVG Anti-Virus v7.0 Free Edition Released
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[H] Gigabyte K8NXP-9 nForce4 mobo review @ PCSTaTS..
Anybody interested in 939 pin Athlon64 PCIe? Check it out. @:) pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=1677 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.3.1 - Release Date: 11/15/2004
[H] AMD 3000+ 3200+ 90nm CPU Review
Here's some 939 pin lovin. @:) http://www.amdreview.com/reviews.php?rev=3000-3200-90nm -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.1 - Release Date: 11/19/2004
[H] NVIDIA's nForce4 Ultra chipset
Ready for some nForce4 lovin? @:) http://techreport.com/reviews/2004q4/nforce4-ultra/index.x?pg=1 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.1 - Release Date: 11/19/2004
[H] Thunderbird 1.0 Released..
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[H] Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe nForce4 SLI Audio/GB-LAN/IEEE/USB/PCI-E/SATA/DDR/ATX 64 939
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[H] The New Power Supply Standard, ATX12V 2.0...
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[H] 19 PSU ToDo @ TrusedReviews..
Looks to be a good one judging by the expense of the test equipment used. I'm the proud owner of a Seasonic Super Tornado 400 which is also covered by the review. @:) http://www.trustedreviews.com/article.aspx?art=1014 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.6 - Release Date: 2/7/2005
[H] Last FFL thread. promise :)
Ok, the league is set up and active with last year's team owners still listed. I need a final roll call of who is still in from last year and who else will participate in this years Hardware Group Fantasy Football League. I will bump this message one last time at the end of this week. We are aiming for even teams, 10 or 12, but dealing with an odd number will not be a huge deal. Afterwards, I will set a draft date through the fanball system (never tried it, I hope it's as nice as yahoo) on a date we all can agree on. Those who ditch the draft or come in late will be taken care of by the commissioner, where a fair value pick will be assigned for you - such as Ricky Williams for your RB, David Boston for your WR, and Quincy Carter for your QB. Hayes _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
RE: [H] Laptop suggestions needed asap!
Title: Message I helped a friend's daughter buy a Dell. She went with the 8600 with the Pentium M because it was about 2 pounds lighter than the 9100. A friend at work just gotDell laptop that has the WSXGA+ that has a native resolution of 1680x1050. That makes the text a little too small for my tastes. I really do not know enough to help you decide, but if I was buying one, I'd probably go for the speedier model. LOL. Bobby -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kenneth W. HumrichSent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 9:03 AMTo: The Hardware ListSubject: Re: [H] Laptop suggestions needed asap! First, thank you everyone! Some very good suggestions and it helped my friend and I narrow things down quite a bit. We think either an IBM or Dell now. I am pushing more towards the IBM's, but if Dells are a stronger choice for her, that is fine. IBM Thinkpad R51: Price with memory $1549 [+$100 to base unit price formemory upgrade to 512MB] PentiumM 1.5gb 15.4inch XGA DVD/CDRW Combo Radeon 7500 32mb 40gb hd 4200rpm 6.2lbs PC Card Support: 1 type I/II or 1 type III 2internal speakers 56k v.92 modem w/fax Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG speed 11b: 11Mbps, 11g:54Mbps Integrated Intel 10/100 Ethernet 1 Parallel, 2 USB, microphone, headphone, line-out, RJ-11, RJ-45, S-Video out http://www-132.ibm.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=-840productId=8730776storeId=1langId=-1dualCurrId=73categoryId=2302836 IBM Thinkpad T42: Price with memory $1599 [+$100 to base unit price for memory upgrade to 512MB] [only DvD option, no CD possible in 'Thin' notebook] Pentium M 1.5gb14.1inch XGA 8x DVD no Cdrom included DVD/CDRW Combo may be added as 2nd drive for +$159 30gb hd 4200rpm 4.5lbs PC Card Support: 2 type I/II or 1 type III 2 internal speakers 56k v.92 modem w/fax Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG speed 11b: 11Mbps, 11g:54Mbps Integrated Intel PRO/1000 Gigabit Ethernet 1 Parallel, 2 USB, microphone, headphone, line-out, RJ-11, RJ-45, S-Video out http://www-132.ibm.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=-840productId=8717189storeId=1langId=-1dualCurrId=73categoryId=2072541 Dell Inspiron 8600: Base $1399, discount being given $150, new Base $1249 Pentium M 1.5gb base15.4inch WXGA +$250 for 1.8gb, +$500 for 2.0gb add $50 for WSXGA and +$50 more for WUXGA online orders get free memory upgrade to 384MB, or +$25 for 512MB GeForce FX Go5200 32mb included, or 64mb for +$39, or Radeon 9600 Pro 128mb for +$99 30gb hd 4200rpm, +$25 for 40gb 4200rpm, or +$75 for 60gb 4200rpm, or +$175 for 60gb 7200rpm NO floppy-drive included +$49 to buy one 6 months dial-up with AOL or Earthlink included free http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/inspn_8600?c=uscs=19l=ens=dhs~ck=mn Dell Inspiron 9100: Base $1549, discount being given $150, new Base $1399 Pentium4 2.8gb base 15.4 inch WXGA +$75 for 3.0gb, +$100 for 3.2gb add $50 for WSXGA and +$50 more for WUXGA online orders get free memory upgrade to 512MB Radeon 9700 64mb included, or 128mb for +$99 40gb hd 4200rpm, +$39 for 60gb 4200rpm or +$149 for 80gb 7200rpm NO floppy-drive included +$49 to buy one 6 months dial-up with AOL or Earthlink included free http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/inspn_9100?c=uscs=19l=ens=dhs~ck=mn Questions: Pentium M 1.5Gig or Pentium4 2.8gig? I know Pentium M's use less power and run cooler, but what about SPEED? Which screen? or WSXGA for +$50? W is WIDE screen also is a WUXGA [ultra fine] which is +$50 over WSXGA I suspect she will want to buy it Today or Tomorrow, so if anyone has anything to say that will help, please speak up and give LOTS of good info ;) Thank you again everyone, it's really nice to know I can come here when I need opinions. I've included as much info as I can, plus url's of the four Laptop ideas, but those aren't the only ones if someone has something they feel is a better idea.. she doesn't do any gaming but plans to do
RE: [H] Upcoming MMOs (was Ok, I'll say it.. Doom3 Sucks)
WoW is an online version of Warcraft. And so far, the people who have been playing the beta say its incredible. - FIGHT BACK AGAINST SPAM! Download Spam Inspector, the Award Winning Anti-Spam Filter http://mail.giantcompany.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kenneth W. Humrich Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 12:50 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Upcoming MMOs (was Ok, I'll say it.. Doom3 Sucks) I haven't heard of 'Galaxies' or the expansion 'starfight' :( Is World of Warcraft an online version of Warcraft, oraplay on PC version? Thanks much for the info on EQ2, makes me happy, hehe.. heck, theaddition of more eye candy will mean people will need higher-end videocards and possibly cpu's and memory, so this should be interesting how Sony handles things.. I wonder if they have a VERY redone engine that will allow more graphics on the same PC's. speaking of which.. next message form me is about vidcard's... Ken ---Original Message--- From: Brian Weeden; The Hardware List Date: 10/03/04 21:00:32 To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Upcoming MMOs (was Ok, I'll say it.. Doom3 Sucks) EQ II will have tons of eyecandy and will probably be popular for a while but from what I hear from the people I know in the beta testing it isn't that original.I'm hearing good things about the starfight expansion toGalaxies - and this is coming from someone who was completely pissed at the original game. World of Warcraft on the other hand is probably going to ruin a lot of marriages and scholarships. - Original Message - From: Kenneth W. Humrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 19:55:40 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Subject: RE: [H] Ok, I'll say it.. Doom3 Sucks. To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com EverQuest 2 isn't that good?I really really HOPE it isn't as I do not plan to play it, am sticking with the original EverQuest!I have WAY too much time and money tied up into the game.. Also, on Far cry, I can't get it to run, I am using a downloaded demo of it, and when I run it, the screen just flickers like interlaced flash line sor something, and won't let me reply to the yes or no question about it being my first time running it... I have to control alt delete and kill the process to get out. Ken ---Original Message--- From: The Hardware List Date: 09/27/04 02:44:41 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: RE: [H] Ok, I'll say it.. Doom3 Sucks. Slightly peeved at D3 myself..pre-ordered it as well and then received another copy of it free when I picked up a GF6800 last week - oh joy, 2 copies. I found I got so far and then lost interest, not a good sign in a game afaic. I have dusted FarCry off again though, moved it up to highest difficulty and started playing it again with PS3.0 - hooked again :) Also have been beta testing EverQuest2, another game that helps proove that sequels are rarely on par with their predecessor. J *** This message and any attachment are confidential and may be privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure.If you are not the intended recipient, please telephone or email the sender and delete this message and any attachment from your system.If you are not the intended recipient you must not copy this message or attachment or disclose the contents to any other person. For further information about Clifford Chance please see our website at http://www.cliffordchance.com or refer to any Clifford Chance office. -- Brian
[H] OT: Top 100 things not to do as an Evil Overlord
In keeping with the theme of Evil Genius (pretty good new builder/Sim style game) check out the following list of 100 things to avoid when you take over the world: http://www.eviloverlord.com/lists/overlord.html Insert Evil Laugh here. -- Brian
[H] DVP-642
even more interesting stuff about this player, lovin it more and more :{)
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[H] NEW EMAIL ADDRESS
Well Folks, I have a new email address, please change in your address book. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, David L. Gabler 1719 Lindy Lane Conroe, Texas 77301-4019 Home: 936-756-4614 Mobil: 936-537-5574 ICQ # 123822 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.7 - Release Date: 12/30/2004
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[H] Tracking the source of an email
I keep getting the email below, which claims to be from Fujitsu Canada, but isn't. Anyone know how I can figure out where it's originating? T Received: from malcor.mailrover.net [216.126.204.75] by mail.auracom.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AFDA54D007E; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 11:35:06 -0700 Received: from meridian.mailrover.net (meridian [216.126.204.157]) by malcor.mailrover.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1PIhcgb007114 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 11:43:38 -0700 Received: from simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts5.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.163]) by meridian.mailrover.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j1PIhbne015494 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 11:43:37 -0700 Received: from microtech-mti.com ([142.176.28.142]) by simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with ESMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:43:32 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by microtech-mti.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:46:10 -0400 thread-index: AcTQy9gMYzLbiIk9S9Kl/s+Npidy8w== From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:46:09 -0400 Subject: Fujitsu Canada **URGENT Phones, Faxes and WEB site down** External Line Problem To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL
RE: [H] CPU Intel 6xx series v. AMD 939 (3 gig plus)
Well I have looked at all the HTPC cases and to be honest there is only one case I really like - and it costs $270 or so. This manufacture http://www.arisetec.com/ incorporates the FEATURES and THE LOOK that in my opinion a HTPC case should have (my standards). All the rest of the cases are trade-offs/compromises//etc. So at this point I have decided to build my own. Just bought 3 of these aluminum cases http://www.xpcgear.com/aluminum.html at $35 a pop (delivered). I hell of a deal in my opinion. I will use the extras to either sell 2 additional units if I am happy with my labors - or I will incorporate them into builds for customers. To start with I am going to begin with the removable motherboard tray. I am going play with placements to wind up with a package that fits my needs and permits all HTPC technology to be included. Some factors: * A 19 width (hence a full size ATX motherboard) is fine. I would like to keep depth to a max of 12 inches so that placement on a shelf is not limited. * Height will be no more than 8 - actually would make it 6 but I would like to incorporate a 7 LCD monitor screen along the right side of the case. One of the manufactures have a 5.5 lcd screen but that is probably too small to be practical. * Sides of the case will be a Black Walnut burl. Front Black Walnut burl and back - aluminum from the removal tray. * Tops and Bottom will be aluminum from the sides of the purchased case. * Hard drives will be mounted to one of the aluminum surfaces for passive cooling. * The power supply will either be mounted above the cpu for removal of hot air or setup up to exhaust through the bottom of the case for noise reduction and air circulation. * It may turn out that a mATX board is necessary to achieve the look and feel that I am after. * It may turn out that the motherboard is mounted upside down to make use of the bottom of the case where holes won't matter and noise reduced. In that case I will use a low noise blower to move air around the CPU area, * Will employ a 1/2 height DVD writer. This to conserve space - also no floppy. * Infra-red or other remote technology installed behind the front panel so that a small hole for transmission capabilities maintained without being painfully apparent. So Chris, this is why I am (at this point) not concerned about spec'ing a full size ATX board. And also why heat generation of components is. Bob .-Original Message- .From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Reeves .Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 1:24 PM .To: 'The Hardware List' .Subject: RE: [H] CPU Intel 6xx series v. AMD 939 (3 gig plus) . .I do agree the option of 3 PCI-E x1 slots are nice, although as of .right .now, I've seen no devices that use them :) . .I guess I'm just on the other side of it.. for a HTPC unit, .overclocking .potential is moot, and since MSI board has coax/digital output, the .addition .of another soundcard is a wasted effort.. since both have 3 PCI slots, .which .is where your encoder devices would be, it's a wash. But the smaller .form .factor means a better selection of more HTPC type cases. . .But I do see your point as well.. there are two boards on the AMD side .with .the same chipset (Epox/ECS) which also use the RS480 ATI, and are full .format (3 PCI-E, etc.) I just didn't consider them ;) . .CW . .-Original Message- .From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] .[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rls .Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 9:57 AM .To: 'The Hardware List' .Subject: RE: [H] CPU Intel 6xx series v. AMD 939 (3 gig plus) . .Well Chris I did look at the MSI board but it has one minor and one .major .flaw. . Minor flaw - no overclocking potential. . . Major flaw - does not contain the gamut of Expansion Slots . .The Asus/Intel version of the ATI chipset includes . . 3 @ PCI-E x1 . . .Now I am not really aware of any PCI-Ex1 devices but sooner or later .there .will be sound, modem, etc and I would like to go that direction in the .future should the opportunity present itself. .Bob . . .-Original Message- . .From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- . [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Reeves . .Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 1:58 AM . .To: 'The Hardware List' . .Subject: RE: [H] CPU Intel 6xx series v. AMD 939 (3 gig plus) . . . .If you don't want to move a lot of air, etc. the MSI R480-M2 .board on . .the . .AMD939 side is pretty nice, though S-Video VGA Only out :( .But . .still, . .it's functional for MCE2005, has no fan on the . .southbridge/northbridge, and
Re: [H] OT: Is this thing on??
Had a subscriber bouncing last few days, set him to no mail and left the list mail in the queue thinking it would clear it's self out. Bad call, it just sloowwwed things down. At 8/10/2005 07:43 PM, JRS wrote: Haven't seen any posts in a couple of days -- JRS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please remove **X** to reply... Facts do not cease to exist just because they are ignored. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/68 - Release Date: 8/10/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/68 - Release Date: 8/10/2005
[H] Something strange with the list?
No messages at all, then messages from 04? What's up? T
Re: [H] Something strange with the list?
At 8/11/2005 06:22 AM, Thane Sherrington wrote: No messages at all, then messages from 04? What's up? Not sure, interesting though. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/68 - Release Date: 8/10/2005
[H] The Red Sox Reversed the Curse
After an 86 year drought the Red Sox won the World Series. I can die a happy man as I've seen all of Boston's major sports teams at the top of the world. Now what did I do with my happy pills. --+-- Wayne D. Johnson Ashland, OH, USA 44805 http://www.wavijo.com
RE: [H] Laptop suggestions needed asap!
At 09:20 AM 8/31/2004, Bobby Heid typed: A friend at work just got Dell laptop that has the WSXGA+ that has a native resolution of 1680x1050. That makes the text a little too small for my tastes. One can go to Control Panel/Display/Settings/Advanced button in the lower right then the General tab there you can change all the fonts on the system from Normal 96dpi to 120dpi or even something custom depending on what the video cards driver provides. This makes for a quick enlargement of text on ultra high res displays. --+-- Wayne D. Johnson Ashland, OH, USA 44805 http://www.wavijo.com
[H] Quiet Small Footprint AMD64 System (retry)
Since list traffic seems to be flowing again... Can anyone recommend a small footprint motherboard/case/cooling solution (similar in size to a Shuttle (perhaps a shuttle is my best bet here?) that can work relatively silently running in my living room 24/7? I'm looking for an AMD64 system, 1GB Ram, etc. I've found a shuttle setup (barebones) from Newegg as follows: Shuttle XPC SN95G5V3 - $289 AMD Athlon 64 3000+ Retail box - $146 Corsair XMS 2x512MB DDR400 (2-3-3-6) - $126 Video Card (World of Warcraft, Sims2, HL2, etc) (looking for suggestions -- hopefully closer to $150 than $250 DVD-Burner Lite-ON SOHW-1693S - $49 100 Pack of Blank DVD's $29 I've got a hard drive to put into the system, and I'm going to get a Dell 17 flatpanel monitor from dell.com Can anyone suggest which video card I should get (linux support required, so probably the best bet is a GeForce model). Thanks guys, Christopher Fisk -- BOFH Excuse #82: Yeah, yo mama dresses you funny and you need a mouse to delete files.
Re: [H] Last FFL thread. promise :)
Count me in! I am subbed with FFL list (as Wayne is) and both of us are NOT having SpamCop issues @ this present time. Draft date - whenever... Wayne Johnson wrote: At 02:11 PM 8/8/2004, Hayes Elkins typed: I need a final roll call of who is still in from last year and who else will participate in this years Hardware Group Fantasy Football League. Please count me in as I wasn't able to make it in last year because of some SpamCop issues I was having at the time IIRC. --+-- Wayne D. Johnson Ashland, OH, USA 44805 http://www.wavijo.com -- Cheers, joeuser (still looking for the 'any' key)
Re: [H] NEW EMAIL ADDRESS
At 10:40 AM 11/08/2005, Wayne Johnson wrote: He's using Eudora one does NOT have to put their own addy in the To: field but he does have to put all the addys in the BCC then the recipients will see (Recipient list suppressed). I didn't know that. Cool. T
Re: [H] Last FFL thread. promise :)
Count me in. Llamas will roll again this year :) -- Brian
RE: [H] Last FFL thread. promise :)
Of course I'm in. Mark Dodge MD Computers 602-421-0329 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hayes Elkins Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 11:11 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [H] Last FFL thread. promise :) Ok, the league is set up and active with last year's team owners still listed. I need a final roll call of who is still in from last year and who else will participate in this years Hardware Group Fantasy Football League. I will bump this message one last time at the end of this week. We are aiming for even teams, 10 or 12, but dealing with an odd number will not be a huge deal. Afterwards, I will set a draft date through the fanball system (never tried it, I hope it's as nice as yahoo) on a date we all can agree on. Those who ditch the draft or come in late will be taken care of by the commissioner, where a fair value pick will be assigned for you - such as Ricky Williams for your RB, David Boston for your WR, and Quincy Carter for your QB. Hayes _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
Re: [H] Something strange with the list?
Yeah, all the sudden I'm seeing tons of old messages.. -Original message- From: Thane Sherrington [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 04:22:53 -0500 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] Something strange with the list? No messages at all, then messages from 04? What's up? T
RE: [H] OT: Is this thing on??
I don't know if this is a result of some server crap but I've been getting messages from zaske and Wayne dating back to 2004. Mark Dodge MD Computers 602-421-0329 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Edwards Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 3:16 AM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] OT: Is this thing on?? Had a subscriber bouncing last few days, set him to no mail and left the list mail in the queue thinking it would clear it's self out. Bad call, it just sloowwwed things down. At 8/10/2005 07:43 PM, JRS wrote: Haven't seen any posts in a couple of days -- JRS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please remove **X** to reply... Facts do not cease to exist just because they are ignored. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/68 - Release Date: 8/10/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/68 - Release Date: 8/10/2005
[H] Weird stuff was FW: Your message to Hardware awaits moderator approval
Then I get this, I know that the message I was referring to was not in any way close to the limit, something weird is going on. Mark Dodge MD Computers 602-421-0329 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 4:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Your message to Hardware awaits moderator approval Your mail to 'Hardware' with the subject RE: [H] Upcoming MMOs (was Ok, I'll say it.. Doom3 Sucks) Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it is being held: Message body is too big: 39029 bytes with a limit of 15 KB Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel this posting, please visit the following URL: https://www.hardwaregroup.com/mailman/confirm/hardware/4731c793844cd57ceb505 ef8c079e4e302c285c4
Re: [H] US not a nice place to travel through
Pretty scary stuff. The one thing that strikes me though: If passengers are deemed to be inadmissible, they have no constitutional rights even if later taken to an American prison. Mason says that's because they are deemed to be still outside the U.S., from a legal point of view. Foreign citizens don't have Constitutional rights. Thane Sherrington wrote: http://ottawa.cbc.ca/regional/servlet/View?filename=ot_flyrights_20050811 This is scary. Mason (a senior lawyer for the US government) said the interpretation means travellers can be detained without charge, denied the right to consult a lawyer, and even refused necessities such as food and sleep. Is this for real? Sounds sort of insane to me. I guess it's now Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free...unless they're just passing through...then tell 'em to watch out! grin T
Re: [H] US not a nice place to travel through
we hold these truths to be self evident...that all men are created equal unless you're just passing through? On 8/11/05, Ben Ruset [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pretty scary stuff. The one thing that strikes me though: If passengers are deemed to be inadmissible, they have no constitutional rights even if later taken to an American prison. Mason says that's because they are deemed to be still outside the U.S., from a legal point of view. Foreign citizens don't have Constitutional rights. Thane Sherrington wrote: http://ottawa.cbc.ca/regional/servlet/View?filename=ot_flyrights_20050811 This is scary. Mason (a senior lawyer for the US government) said the interpretation means travellers can be detained without charge, denied the right to consult a lawyer, and even refused necessities such as food and sleep. Is this for real? Sounds sort of insane to me. I guess it's now Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free...unless they're just passing through...then tell 'em to watch out! grin T -- -jmg Chaos often breeds life, when order breeds habit. Henry Brooks Adams [1838-1918]
Re: [H] US not a nice place to travel through
The Declaration of Independance is not the constitution. Plus a majority of the drafters of the Consitution owned slaves. j m g wrote: we hold these truths to be self evident...that all men are created equal unless you're just passing through? On 8/11/05, Ben Ruset [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pretty scary stuff. The one thing that strikes me though: If passengers are deemed to be inadmissible, they have no constitutional rights even if later taken to an American prison. Mason says that's because they are deemed to be still outside the U.S., from a legal point of view. Foreign citizens don't have Constitutional rights. Thane Sherrington wrote: http://ottawa.cbc.ca/regional/servlet/View?filename=ot_flyrights_20050811 This is scary. Mason (a senior lawyer for the US government) said the interpretation means travellers can be detained without charge, denied the right to consult a lawyer, and even refused necessities such as food and sleep. Is this for real? Sounds sort of insane to me. I guess it's now Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free...unless they're just passing through...then tell 'em to watch out! grin T
RE: [H] US not a nice place to travel through
Hayes, This has technically always been the case since WWII when the POTUS was allowed to designate an individual as an enemy combatant. At that time, the SCOTUS ruled that he could have that power only because the Congress had enacted a 'Declaration of War'. Last year, the SCOTUS ruled that minus a Declaration of the War', the POTUS does not have such power unilaterally, that a hearing had to be held to determine whether a person was an 'enemy combatant', then the administration could proceed from there. So far, no hearings have been held, and only sham hearings are scheduled. Vince
Re: [H] AVG Anti-Virus v7.0 Free Edition Released
I have never had any luck with that link. It always 404s on me. It seems Grisoft is making it harder and harder to get to the free version. I have had to go to the link below to get the latest version. http://free.grisoft.com/softw/70free/setup/ Jeff BTW. Are you having some problems updating your AV? Noticed the AVG statement at bottom of your message said you are out of date. From: SWZaske [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [H] AVG Anti-Virus v7.0 Free Edition Released http://free.grisoft.com/freeweb.php/doc/2/lng/us/tpl/v5 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.0.0 - Release Date: 11/8/2004
Re: [H] US not a nice place to travel through
At 01:47 PM 11/08/2005, Ben Ruset wrote: THOUSANDS of people fly through the US every day. I think we'd hear a lot more about this if it was a common thing. No kidding, that's why it seems strange to me. Secondly, what hasn't the Canadian government said anything about it? Cause they just allowed us to strip search any American tourists we want to in retaliation. :) T
Re: [H] The Red Sox Reversed the Curse
Delayed euphoria is a great thingeh??? - Original Message - From: Wayne Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WinHome/SOHO WIN-HOME@PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 8:49 PM Subject: [H] The Red Sox Reversed the Curse After an 86 year drought the Red Sox won the World Series. I can die a happy man as I've seen all of Boston's major sports teams at the top of the world. Now what did I do with my happy pills. --+-- Wayne D. Johnson Ashland, OH, USA 44805 http://www.wavijo.com
Re: [H] AVG Anti-Virus v7.0 Free Edition Released
Why anybody would use AVG Free over ClamWin, I don't know. No restrictive licence, and the interface is far and above better. jeff.lane wrote: I have never had any luck with that link. It always 404s on me. It seems Grisoft is making it harder and harder to get to the free version. I have had to go to the link below to get the latest version. http://free.grisoft.com/softw/70free/setup/
RE: [H] NT Partition sizes
Are you talking about NT 4.0? Or XP/2000? If NT 4.0, I do not have any information for you. I have a 200GB partion on one of my drives under XP. I also have several that are over 100GB. If I recall correctly, sometimes you have to enable large disk support on XP. Bobby -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thane Sherrington Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 1:44 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] NT Partition sizes How big a NTFS partition can NT use? I made a 100GB partition, and Disk Manager sees it fine, but My Computer says it's only 4GB. T
RE: [H] US not a nice place to travel through
Declarations of war in the 21st century are meaningless and will probably never be used again. We are at war. It's not against any government, it is against jihadist piglets worldwide who want to kill the shit out of us (and have done so quite successfully so far). From: Analyst [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: RE: [H] US not a nice place to travel through Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 12:51:31 -0500 Hayes, This has technically always been the case since WWII when the POTUS was allowed to designate an individual as an enemy combatant. At that time, the SCOTUS ruled that he could have that power only because the Congress had enacted a 'Declaration of War'. Last year, the SCOTUS ruled that minus a Declaration of the War', the POTUS does not have such power unilaterally, that a hearing had to be held to determine whether a person was an 'enemy combatant', then the administration could proceed from there. So far, no hearings have been held, and only sham hearings are scheduled. Vince
RE: [H] NT Partition sizes
I have a 362gb partition on XP and no matter what software package I use, they all report the total accurately. Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 1:53 PM To: 'The Hardware List' Subject: RE: [H] NT Partition sizes Are you talking about NT 4.0? Or XP/2000? If NT 4.0, I do not have any information for you. I have a 200GB partion on one of my drives under XP. I also have several that are over 100GB. If I recall correctly, sometimes you have to enable large disk support on XP. Bobby -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thane Sherrington Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 1:44 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] NT Partition sizes How big a NTFS partition can NT use? I made a 100GB partition, and Disk Manager sees it fine, but My Computer says it's only 4GB. T
RE: [H] NT Partition sizes
At 02:52 PM 11/08/2005, Bobby Heid wrote: Are you talking about NT 4.0? Or XP/2000? If NT 4.0, I do not have any information for you. NT. It appears to be a bug in Windows Explorer. T
[H] Copy utility
Is there a copy utility out there (preferably command line) that would automatically rename files rather than overwriting them? I want to end up with Test, Test01, Test02, etc) rather than overwriting the original Test file. T
Re: [H] AVG Anti-Virus v7.0 Free Edition Released
Well I would take AVG over Clamwin... http://www.virus.gr/english/fullxml/default.asp?id=69mnu=69 AVG: 54% ClamWin: 48% Why anyone would use either is beyond me... Ben Ruset wrote: Why anybody would use AVG Free over ClamWin, I don't know. No restrictive licence, and the interface is far and above better. jeff.lane wrote: I have never had any luck with that link. It always 404s on me. It seems Grisoft is making it harder and harder to get to the free version. I have had to go to the link below to get the latest version. http://free.grisoft.com/softw/70free/setup/ -- Cheers, joeuser (still looking for the 'any' key)
[H] SN25P and AMD issues recap
As I posted on this forum a week or so ago I I built a SN25P with the following components: 1) Shuttle SNP25 barebone 2) AMD64 3700+ San Diego 3) 2G of OCZ 184pin DDR400 Unbufferred with Copper Heatspreader 4) Sapphire Raedon X800XL 256MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card 5) 74G Raptor SATA150 6) 2x250G Seagate Barracudas SATA150. I was hoping that this PC would be fast, dependable and reliable. For the first couple of weeks I had no issues and everything worked swimmingly. Not even a hint of a lockup or a blue screen. Nothing. Then a couple of weeks ago the PC started locking up with no real pattern, or reason. As the lock ups became more frequent I became concerned and when the system started blue screening I started to suspect a faulty component and/or heat. As suggested in a previous thread I ran memtest86 for 72 hours straight and found no memory it seems to have eliminated memory as the cause. Since the memory was not an issue I started to look for other causes. Taking the cover off I found that the Raptor drive was very hot to the touch (mounted in the forward drive bay across the top). Not having a Raptor in any other system I was unsure if the heat was normal or excessive. Either way I thought the air flow would be better in the rear bay so I went ahead and switched locations with the Barracuda that was already occupying that slot. Following the swap I ran a defrag on the drive and things seemed OK, for a couple of hours anyway. It again started with the lock ups and blue screens. Since I was getting errors reading system files I ran chkdsk, which found and repaired some errors. I decided to re-install the OS (XP Pro). It took me several tries and reboots to successfully re-install XP. When it was completed I once again rebooted the system and things seemed OK. As before, a couple of hours later the same problems started occurring. On a whim I decided to pull the Raptor (well, disconnect it anyway) and instead install XP on one of the remaining Barracudas. Since doing so the system has been up and running for a couple of days with no issues. I have not run any burn in tests (any recommendations?) on the system but the results are encouraging. The stability (and even the performance) has returned and things at this point seem fixed (fingers crossed). I am unaware what it is about the drive that may have caused this issue. While the system definitely runs warmer with the Raptor the temps inside the chassis never exceeded 40C and the CPU never exceeded 50C (according to SpeedFan). I guess it is possible that the drive itself simply overheated and/or it has a intermittent faulty component. Or it could be a Power Supply issue. At this point I am planning on RMA'ing the Raptor but I am not sure if I should put another Raptor in this system or if I should get another Barracuda and install that in its place. Could the Raptor be the root cause of the problems or is it more likely that it is just part of the symptoms? Is it possible that the cooling of the SN25P is not substantial enough to have 2 Barracuda and a Raptor? PS issue? I have seen posts from people who are running Raptors in the SN25P with success. I have not however seen anyone else mention whether they had other drives as well, let alone two Barracudas. Hopefully I have corrected the issues with this PC but it would be nice to know if the installation of another Raptor would cause the issues to return. If it is a PS issue I guess another Barracuda would just as easily cause the same problems. Any ideas or suggestions would be welcome. -- -Gary
Re: [H] AVG Anti-Virus v7.0 Free Edition Released
Looks like Avast is the best of the free versions, 79.65%. Gary VanderMolen joeuser wrote: Well I would take AVG over Clamwin... http://www.virus.gr/english/fullxml/default.asp?id=69mnu=69 AVG: 54% ClamWin: 48% Why anyone would use either is beyond me...
RE: [H] Upcoming MMOs (was Ok, I'll say it.. Doom3 Sucks)
This old message just came to the list. I have been getting a lot of these. Something is going on. Mark DodgeMD Computers602-421-0329 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris ReevesSent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 11:13 PMTo: 'The Hardware List'Subject: RE: [H] Upcoming MMOs (was Ok, I'll say it.. Doom3 Sucks) WoW is an online version of Warcraft. And so far, the people who have been playing the beta say its incredible. -FIGHT BACK AGAINST SPAM!Download Spam Inspector, the Award Winning Anti-Spam Filterhttp://mail.giantcompany.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kenneth W. HumrichSent: Monday, October 04, 2004 12:50 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Hardware ListSubject: Re: [H] Upcoming MMOs (was Ok, I'll say it.. Doom3 Sucks) I haven't heard of 'Galaxies' or the expansion 'starfight' :( Is World of Warcraft an online version of Warcraft, oraplay on PC version? Thanks much for the info on EQ2, makes me happy, hehe.. heck, theaddition of more eye candy will mean people will need higher-end videocards and possibly cpu's and memory, so this should be interesting how Sony handles things.. I wonder if they have a VERY redone engine that will allow more graphics on the same PC's. speaking of which.. next message form me is about vidcard's... Ken ---Original Message--- From: Brian Weeden; The Hardware List Date: 10/03/04 21:00:32 To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Upcoming MMOs (was Ok, I'll say it.. Doom3 Sucks) EQ II will have tons of eyecandy and will probably be popular for a while but from what I hear from the people I know in the beta testing it isn't that original.I'm hearing good things about the starfight expansion toGalaxies - and this is coming from someone who was completely pissed at the original game. World of Warcraft on the other hand is probably going to ruin a lot of marriages and scholarships. - Original Message - From: Kenneth W. Humrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 19:55:40 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Subject: RE: [H] Ok, I'll say it.. Doom3 Sucks. To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com EverQuest 2 isn't that good?I really really HOPE it isn't as I do not plan to play it, am sticking with the original EverQuest!I have WAY too much time and money tied up into the game.. Also, on Far cry, I can't get it to run, I am using a downloaded demo of it, and when I run it, the screen just flickers like interlaced flash line sor something, and won't let me reply to the yes or no question about it being my first time running it... I have to control alt delete and kill the process to get out. Ken ---Original Message--- From: The Hardware List Date: 09/27/04 02:44:41 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: RE: [H] Ok, I'll say it.. Doom3 Sucks. Slightly peeved at D3 myself..pre-ordered it as well and then received another copy of it free when I picked up a GF6800 last week - oh joy, 2 copies. I found I got so far and then lost interest, not a good sign in a game
[H] ACK! STOP!
Old mail flood.. am I the only one getting piles and piles of old mail recycled back through to me?
Re: [H] The Red Sox Reversed the Curse
If I screwed up I apologize but I can tell you that I didn't knowing send this today altho I'm happy that they swept the Kenny Rogers the Texas Rangers last night.. There has been a lot of weird messages from THG today as I rec'd a bunch of messages from Nov. 2004 At 01:00 PM 8/11/2005, jeff.lane typed: Delayed euphoria is a great thingeh??? - Original Message - From: Wayne Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WinHome/SOHO WIN-HOME@PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 8:49 PM Subject: [H] The Red Sox Reversed the Curse After an 86 year drought the Red Sox won the World Series. I can die a happy man as I've seen all of Boston's major sports teams at the top of the world. Now what did I do with my happy pills. --+-- Wayne D. Johnson Ashland, OH, USA 44805 http://www.wavijo.com --+-- Wayne D. Johnson Ashland, OH, USA 44805 http://www.wavijo.com
Re: [H] ACK! STOP!
You may be. I haven't noticed anything that is old other than a small flood from ZWaske awhile ago. Jeff From: CW [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [H] ACK! STOP! Old mail flood.. am I the only one getting piles and piles of old mail recycled back through to me?
RE: [H] OT: Is this thing on??
At 11:10 AM 8/11/2005, Mark Dodge typed: I don't know if this is a result of some server crap but I've been getting messages from zaske and Wayne dating back to 2004. Me too. lol --+-- Wayne D. Johnson Ashland, OH, USA 44805 http://www.wavijo.com
Re: [H] ACK! STOP!
Well, usually the shunt directory would be packed full of old bounced mail. There was none. If this wacky stuff keeps up, I'll take more measures but for now, I am going to see if it settles itself down. So if you (anyone) get more garbage past tomorrow afternoon, let me know. Thanks At 8/11/2005 05:47 PM, Jim Edwards wrote: Shoot, I wonder The list software has this storage that stashes bounced mail. I topically let it collect then delete it. I haven't done it in a while. You might be getting it as that networksolutions.something.com address that has had problems in the past. Maybe the list software is taking it upon itself to purge... I'll take a look. At 8/11/2005 05:37 PM, CW wrote: Old mail flood.. am I the only one getting piles and piles of old mail recycled back through to me? -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/68 - Release Date: 8/10/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/68 - Release Date: 8/10/2005 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/68 - Release Date: 8/10/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/68 - Release Date: 8/10/2005
[H] FW: Hard drive speeds
I did some unscientific tests this morning on hard drive file transfer speeds. I simply used a stopwatch to time from selecting copy till the copy window closed. I found some of the results very interesting. Hardware: Motherboard: GIGABYTE GA-K8N Ultra-9 Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 Ultra Both SATA RAIDs are connected via Nvidia SATA II RAID connectors SATA I: Two 37GB WD Raptors (10,000 rpm) drives in RAID 0 SATA II: Two T7K250 250GB Hitachi SATA II w/ncq (7200 rpm) drives in RAID 0 ATA100: Seagate Barracude ATA with 8MB cache File Size 355 MB 2575.5 MB From To sec sec SATA II SATA I 4.5 78.9 MB/s 36.5 70.6 MB/s SATA ISATA II 5.8 61.2 MB/s 38.2 67.4 MB/s SATA II ATA100 6.5 54.6 MB/s 41.6 61.9 MB/s SATA IATA100 6.5 54.6 MB/s 44.8 57.5 MB/s ATA100SATA II 8.0 44.4 MB/s 41.0 62.8 MB/s ATA100SATA I 8.5 41.8 MB/s 44.3 58.1 MB/s Same disk transfers (partition to partition on same physical drive) SATA ISATA I 13.5 26.3 MB/s 124.8 20.6 MB/s SATA II SATA II 15.0 23.7 MB/s 110.5 23.3 MB/s ATA100ATA100 16.5 21.5 MB/s 119.4 21.6 MB/s I thought the 1rpm Raptors would be faster than the 7200 rpm Hitachi drives with transfers to/from the ATA100 drive (the only equal starting point I have). I was also surprised at how slow intra-drive transfers were. Now I have to re-think my use the Raptors for the OS philosophy. And at the price of the a Raptor, you can purchase the 250 GB Hitachi. Seems like a no brainer -- 37 GB slower vs 250 GB faster? (in my defense, I purchased the Raptors almost 2 years ago, before SATA II was even available). Just an FYI, but thoughts and comments always welcome. Jim Maki [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [H] FW: Hard drive speeds
Overall comments: - Same disk I/O always blows--that's why RAID0 is retarded except for a VERY SELECT FEW situations. - Access time is FAR more important than sequential throughput on a boot volume--that is why the Raptors are so good - The T7K250 (I have one also) has NCQ whereas the Raptor does not - The T7K250 also has a huge advantage in aerial density - RAID0 often slows down a boot volume. Why? As array size grows, seeks get slower, and seek time is the most important thing on a boot volume. Greg - Original Message - From: James Maki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'The Hardware List' hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 7:46 PM Subject: [H] FW: Hard drive speeds I did some unscientific tests this morning on hard drive file transfer speeds. I simply used a stopwatch to time from selecting copy till the copy window closed. I found some of the results very interesting. Hardware: Motherboard: GIGABYTE GA-K8N Ultra-9 Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 Ultra Both SATA RAIDs are connected via Nvidia SATA II RAID connectors SATA I: Two 37GB WD Raptors (10,000 rpm) drives in RAID 0 SATA II: Two T7K250 250GB Hitachi SATA II w/ncq (7200 rpm) drives in RAID 0 ATA100: Seagate Barracude ATA with 8MB cache File Size 355 MB 2575.5 MB From To sec sec SATA II SATA I 4.5 78.9 MB/s 36.5 70.6 MB/s SATA ISATA II 5.8 61.2 MB/s 38.2 67.4 MB/s SATA II ATA100 6.5 54.6 MB/s 41.6 61.9 MB/s SATA IATA100 6.5 54.6 MB/s 44.8 57.5 MB/s ATA100SATA II 8.0 44.4 MB/s 41.0 62.8 MB/s ATA100SATA I 8.5 41.8 MB/s 44.3 58.1 MB/s Same disk transfers (partition to partition on same physical drive) SATA ISATA I 13.5 26.3 MB/s 124.8 20.6 MB/s SATA II SATA II 15.0 23.7 MB/s 110.5 23.3 MB/s ATA100ATA100 16.5 21.5 MB/s 119.4 21.6 MB/s I thought the 1rpm Raptors would be faster than the 7200 rpm Hitachi drives with transfers to/from the ATA100 drive (the only equal starting point I have). I was also surprised at how slow intra-drive transfers were. Now I have to re-think my use the Raptors for the OS philosophy. And at the price of the a Raptor, you can purchase the 250 GB Hitachi. Seems like a no brainer -- 37 GB slower vs 250 GB faster? (in my defense, I purchased the Raptors almost 2 years ago, before SATA II was even available). Just an FYI, but thoughts and comments always welcome. Jim Maki [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [H] SN25P and AMD issues recap
perhaps the PSU is on the edge ( my research said it had a 350 watt ) fp At 12:45 PM 8/11/2005, Gary Udstrand Poked the stick with: As I posted on this forum a week or so ago I I built a SN25P with the following components: 1) Shuttle SNP25 barebone 2) AMD64 3700+ San Diego 3) 2G of OCZ 184pin DDR400 Unbufferred with Copper Heatspreader 4) Sapphire Raedon X800XL 256MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card 5) 74G Raptor SATA150 6) 2x250G Seagate Barracudas SATA150. I was hoping that this PC would be fast, dependable and reliable. For the first couple of weeks I had no issues and everything worked swimmingly. Not even a hint of a lockup or a blue screen. Nothing. Then a couple of weeks ago the PC started locking up with no real pattern, or reason. As the lock ups became more frequent I became concerned and when the system started blue screening I started to suspect a faulty component and/or heat. As suggested in a previous thread I ran memtest86 for 72 hours straight and found no memory it seems to have eliminated memory as the cause. Since the memory was not an issue I started to look for other causes. Taking the cover off I found that the Raptor drive was very hot to the touch (mounted in the forward drive bay across the top). Not having a Raptor in any other system I was unsure if the heat was normal or excessive. Either way I thought the air flow would be better in the rear bay so I went ahead and switched locations with the Barracuda that was already occupying that slot. Following the swap I ran a defrag on the drive and things seemed OK, for a couple of hours anyway. It again started with the lock ups and blue screens. Since I was getting errors reading system files I ran chkdsk, which found and repaired some errors. I decided to re-install the OS (XP Pro). It took me several tries and reboots to successfully re-install XP. When it was completed I once again rebooted the system and things seemed OK. As before, a couple of hours later the same problems started occurring. On a whim I decided to pull the Raptor (well, disconnect it anyway) and instead install XP on one of the remaining Barracudas. Since doing so the system has been up and running for a couple of days with no issues. I have not run any burn in tests (any recommendations?) on the system but the results are encouraging. The stability (and even the performance) has returned and things at this point seem fixed (fingers crossed). I am unaware what it is about the drive that may have caused this issue. While the system definitely runs warmer with the Raptor the temps inside the chassis never exceeded 40C and the CPU never exceeded 50C (according to SpeedFan). I guess it is possible that the drive itself simply overheated and/or it has a intermittent faulty component. Or it could be a Power Supply issue. At this point I am planning on RMA'ing the Raptor but I am not sure if I should put another Raptor in this system or if I should get another Barracuda and install that in its place. Could the Raptor be the root cause of the problems or is it more likely that it is just part of the symptoms? Is it possible that the cooling of the SN25P is not substantial enough to have 2 Barracuda and a Raptor? PS issue? I have seen posts from people who are running Raptors in the SN25P with success. I have not however seen anyone else mention whether they had other drives as well, let alone two Barracudas. Hopefully I have corrected the issues with this PC but it would be nice to know if the installation of another Raptor would cause the issues to return. If it is a PS issue I guess another Barracuda would just as easily cause the same problems. Any ideas or suggestions would be welcome. -- -Gary -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- You can close your eyes to reality but not to memories.
Re: [H] AVG Anti-Virus v7.0 Free Edition Released
cheap asses :{)
:-}
At 12:18 PM 8/11/2005, joeuser Poked the stick with:
Well I would take AVG over
Clamwin...
http://www.virus.gr/english/fullxml/default.asp?id=69mnu=69
AVG: 54%
ClamWin: 48%
Why anyone would use either is beyond me...
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Tallyho ! ]:8)
Taglines below !
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You can close your eyes to reality but not to memories.
Re: [H] AVG Anti-Virus v7.0 Free Edition Released
Well, my soon to be former employer doesn't like spending money on IT.
I actually don't even have AV on my laptop right now since I did a
flatten and reload the other day. I guess I'll go back to McAfee after
seeing how bad Clam did.
FORC5 wrote:
cheap asses :{)
:-}
At 12:18 PM 8/11/2005, joeuser Poked the stick with:
Well I would take AVG over Clamwin...
http://www.virus.gr/english/fullxml/default.asp?id=69mnu=69
http://www.virus.gr/english/fullxml/default.asp?id=69mnu=69
AVG: 54%
ClamWin: 48%
Why anyone would use either is beyond me...
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Tallyho ! ]:8)
Taglines below !
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You can close your eyes to reality but not to memories.
RE: [H] Hard drive speeds
Greg, I always enjoy your comments as you cut through much of the BS. Thanks for the comments and suggestions. When I switched from a single raptor to RAID0, it felt faster, but maybe because I was anticipating increased speed. Overall, I am happy with the system's response, and was just looking for some real world comparisons of the different hard drives and adapters. Reading reviews and manufacturers claims only goes so far. BTW, I don't think I'm retarded, just misinformed :( Jim -Original Message- From: Greg Sevart Overall comments: - Same disk I/O always blows--that's why RAID0 is retarded except for a VERY SELECT FEW situations. - Access time is FAR more important than sequential throughput on a boot volume--that is why the Raptors are so good - The T7K250 (I have one also) has NCQ whereas the Raptor does not - The T7K250 also has a huge advantage in aerial density - RAID0 often slows down a boot volume. Why? As array size grows, seeks get slower, and seek time is the most important thing on a boot volume. Greg
Re: [H] Hard drive speeds
Oh, I never meant to suggest you were. There is a lot of misinformation out there about what RAID0 is good for. The truth is that there are only a very select few situations where it is useful...raw video capture (where data writes need to be, say, 50MB/s or greater at all times...like capturing uncompressed content or HD content), very rapid processing of video (not encoding, encoding is almost never disk I/O bound, but muxing or some other similar function). Even in that situation, it would be better to have to independent disks: read from one and write to the other. However, utilizing two RAID0 arrays in that case could improve speed significantly. You see a lot of people out there running RAID0 on a boot volume. Most of these people don't realize that the impact on boot performance can in fact be -negative-, and the risk of data loss goes up tremendously. Greg - Original Message - From: James Maki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'The Hardware List' hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 10:31 PM Subject: RE: [H] Hard drive speeds Greg, I always enjoy your comments as you cut through much of the BS. Thanks for the comments and suggestions. When I switched from a single raptor to RAID0, it felt faster, but maybe because I was anticipating increased speed. Overall, I am happy with the system's response, and was just looking for some real world comparisons of the different hard drives and adapters. Reading reviews and manufacturers claims only goes so far. BTW, I don't think I'm retarded, just misinformed :( Jim -Original Message- From: Greg Sevart Overall comments: - Same disk I/O always blows--that's why RAID0 is retarded except for a VERY SELECT FEW situations. - Access time is FAR more important than sequential throughput on a boot volume--that is why the Raptors are so good - The T7K250 (I have one also) has NCQ whereas the Raptor does not - The T7K250 also has a huge advantage in aerial density - RAID0 often slows down a boot volume. Why? As array size grows, seeks get slower, and seek time is the most important thing on a boot volume. Greg
