Re: [hlds_linux] After 3 years, I've had enough.
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Woodcock spewed forth; >>Just go away Joe Null, and leave it to the people who have a clue about the overall perspective. no. I'm being amused too much by riling the likes of you up.enlighten me as to how your all-encompassing perspective, which most likely consists of a small window in your parent's basement, is so all-knowing. -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] After 3 years, I've had enough.
Yeah, what is a company that has had steady income from a single game for 4 years thinking, they've got to be doing something horribly wrong. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Alastair Grant Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 2:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] After 3 years, I've had enough. I bought Operation Flashpoint when it came out, intending to play it as a replacement to Counter-Strike. Although, this too was another game that didn't have the major bugs ironed out until 6 months after release. It's an excellent game, albeit a bit dated now. Valve should learn a lesson from Bohemia Interactive. Not only do they fix bugs which are reported to them, but they add support to modding communities where they want it. They actively post and partake in discussions on forums. They have also opened up the theme and ideas of OFP 2 to public suggestion and debate. And they all speak at least two languages! An example to all developers IMHO. Mad Scientist wrote: > According to the great words of 0x2e: > >>Subject says it all. > > > Yes, it does. And I'm feeling the same way. My only problem is that, > after playing TFC almost exclusively for almost four years, I don't > know what to replace it with. What else is out there that is similar to > TFC? I dabbled in a few "war simulators" and didn't really dig them. I > hate CS. Any suggestions for what I should try? > > -Mad > > -- > "A proof is a proof. What kind of a proof? It's a proof. A proof is a > proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven." > > ? Prime Minister Jean Chrétien > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > -- Wireplay Official http://www.wireplay.co.uk/ ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] After 3 years, I've had enough.
I bought Operation Flashpoint when it came out, intending to play it as a replacement to Counter-Strike. Although, this too was another game that didn't have the major bugs ironed out until 6 months after release. It's an excellent game, albeit a bit dated now. Valve should learn a lesson from Bohemia Interactive. Not only do they fix bugs which are reported to them, but they add support to modding communities where they want it. They actively post and partake in discussions on forums. They have also opened up the theme and ideas of OFP 2 to public suggestion and debate. And they all speak at least two languages! An example to all developers IMHO. Mad Scientist wrote: According to the great words of 0x2e: Subject says it all. Yes, it does. And I'm feeling the same way. My only problem is that, after playing TFC almost exclusively for almost four years, I don't know what to replace it with. What else is out there that is similar to TFC? I dabbled in a few "war simulators" and didn't really dig them. I hate CS. Any suggestions for what I should try? -Mad -- "A proof is a proof. What kind of a proof? It's a proof. A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven." ? Prime Minister Jean Chrétien ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- Wireplay Official http://www.wireplay.co.uk/ ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] After 3 years, I've had enough.
a tantrum :) -- Nathan Woodcock System Administrator (Online Gaming) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.game.net/ > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Kevin J. Anderson > Sent: 09 October 2003 17:14 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] After 3 years, I've had enough. > > > whats a tanty? > > ->-Original Message- > ->From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ->[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Nathan > ->Woodcock - BarrysWorld > ->Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 11:18 AM > ->To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ->Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] After 3 years, I've had enough. > -> > -> > ->Basically, because they're having a tanty :) > -> > ->-- > ->Nathan Woodcock > ->System Administrator (Online Gaming) > ->[EMAIL PROTECTED] > ->http://www.game.net/ > -> > ->> -Original Message- > ->> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ->> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > ->> Mad Scientist > ->> Sent: 09 October 2003 15:59 > ->> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ->> Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] After 3 years, I've had enough. > ->> > ->> > ->> > ->> According to the great words of Nathan Woodcock - BarrysWorld: > ->> > You obviously don't run any other servers for > communities aside from > ->> > HLDS > ->> > ->> In my case, you're right. I've been running HLDS servers > exclusively > ->> for the past 3-4 years, so all I can do is base my assumptions on > ->> other's experience. > ->> > ->> > if you did you'd see that Valve's input and response is > ->> *miles* ahead > ->> > of most other communities > ->> > ->> If that's the case, then I'm interested to hear why there > are several > ->> people on this list who have been running HLDS, Q3, and > UT servers for > ->> some time, who are now phasing out their HLDS servers, > but keeping the > ->> others. > ->> > ->> -Mad > ->> > ->> -- > ->> "A proof is a proof. What kind of a proof? It's a proof. > A proof is a > ->> proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven." > ->> > ->> Prime Minister Jean Chrétien > ->> > ->> > ->> > ->> ___ > ->> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > ->> archives, please visit: > ->> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ->> > -> > -> > ->___ > ->To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > ->archives, please visit: > ->http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] After 3 years, I've had enough.
> whats a tanty? A tantrum. Like when you won't give a baby something right when they ask for it. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] After 3 years, I've had enough.
whats a tanty? ->-Original Message- ->From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ->[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Nathan ->Woodcock - BarrysWorld ->Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 11:18 AM ->To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ->Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] After 3 years, I've had enough. -> -> ->Basically, because they're having a tanty :) -> ->-- ->Nathan Woodcock ->System Administrator (Online Gaming) ->[EMAIL PROTECTED] ->http://www.game.net/ -> ->> -Original Message- ->> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ->> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ->> Mad Scientist ->> Sent: 09 October 2003 15:59 ->> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ->> Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] After 3 years, I've had enough. ->> ->> ->> ->> According to the great words of Nathan Woodcock - BarrysWorld: ->> > You obviously don't run any other servers for communities aside from ->> > HLDS ->> ->> In my case, you're right. I've been running HLDS servers exclusively ->> for the past 3-4 years, so all I can do is base my assumptions on ->> other's experience. ->> ->> > if you did you'd see that Valve's input and response is ->> *miles* ahead ->> > of most other communities ->> ->> If that's the case, then I'm interested to hear why there are several ->> people on this list who have been running HLDS, Q3, and UT servers for ->> some time, who are now phasing out their HLDS servers, but keeping the ->> others. ->> ->> -Mad ->> ->> -- ->> "A proof is a proof. What kind of a proof? It's a proof. A proof is a ->> proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven." ->> ->> Prime Minister Jean Chrétien ->> ->> ->> ->> ___ ->> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list ->> archives, please visit: ->> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ->> -> -> ->___ ->To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list ->archives, please visit: ->http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] After 3 years, I've had enough.
> If that's the case, then I'm interested to hear why there are several > people on this list who have been running HLDS, Q3, and UT servers for > some time, who are now phasing out their HLDS servers, but keeping the > others. Because they're babies? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] After 3 years, I've had enough.
Basically, because they're having a tanty :) -- Nathan Woodcock System Administrator (Online Gaming) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.game.net/ > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Mad Scientist > Sent: 09 October 2003 15:59 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] After 3 years, I've had enough. > > > > According to the great words of Nathan Woodcock - BarrysWorld: > > You obviously don't run any other servers for communities aside from > > HLDS > > In my case, you're right. I've been running HLDS servers exclusively > for the past 3-4 years, so all I can do is base my assumptions on > other's experience. > > > if you did you'd see that Valve's input and response is > *miles* ahead > > of most other communities > > If that's the case, then I'm interested to hear why there are several > people on this list who have been running HLDS, Q3, and UT servers for > some time, who are now phasing out their HLDS servers, but keeping the > others. > > -Mad > > -- > "A proof is a proof. What kind of a proof? It's a proof. A proof is a > proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven." > > Prime Minister Jean Chrétien > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] After 3 years, I've had enough.
According to the great words of Nathan Woodcock - BarrysWorld: > You obviously don't run any other servers for communities aside from > HLDS In my case, you're right. I've been running HLDS servers exclusively for the past 3-4 years, so all I can do is base my assumptions on other's experience. > if you did you'd see that Valve's input and response is *miles* ahead > of most other communities If that's the case, then I'm interested to hear why there are several people on this list who have been running HLDS, Q3, and UT servers for some time, who are now phasing out their HLDS servers, but keeping the others. -Mad -- "A proof is a proof. What kind of a proof? It's a proof. A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven." Prime Minister Jean Chrétien ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] After 3 years, I've had enough.
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] i saw one last night, and Gabe Newall was piloting itscanning the globe, questing for the perpetrator of this horrid code theft - Original Message - From: Simon Garner To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 12:48 AM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] After 3 years, I've had enough. On Thursday, October 09, 2003 4:13 PM [GMT+1200=NZT], joe_null <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > think you're a hard core Linux HLDS playa' eh, jeez now u wanna help > Valve and Steam, well all of a sudden you're running a Windoze server > in addtion to Linux, lining Billy's pockets a little bit from > nothing. we do not know the whole story behind this and most likely > never will. however we do know what we have experienced, alot of > hassle for supporting and promoting a product of someone else's, > which never would have made it to the level of popularity it has, > without the 'community' that runs 70% of the servers out there. > Do you believe in UFOs too? -Simon ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] After 3 years, I've had enough.
LOL Simon! - Original Message - From: "Simon Garner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 11:48 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] After 3 years, I've had enough. > On Thursday, October 09, 2003 4:13 PM [GMT+1200=NZT], > joe_null <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > think you're a hard core Linux HLDS playa' eh, jeez now u wanna help > > Valve and Steam, well all of a sudden you're running a Windoze server > > in addtion to Linux, lining Billy's pockets a little bit from > > nothing. we do not know the whole story behind this and most likely > > never will. however we do know what we have experienced, alot of > > hassle for supporting and promoting a product of someone else's, > > which never would have made it to the level of popularity it has, > > without the 'community' that runs 70% of the servers out there. > > > > Do you believe in UFOs too? > > -Simon > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] After 3 years, I've had enough.
God I'm so sick of these messages. You obviously don't run any other servers for communities aside from HLDS, if you did you'd see that Valve's input and response is *miles* ahead of most other communities out there. As far as supporting the community Valve have consistently come up with the goods for a game many years old they, for a very long time, received bugger all additional income for. Just go away Joe Null, and leave it to the people who have a clue about the overall perspective. -- Nathan Woodcock System Administrator (Online Gaming) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.game.net/ > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Simon Garner > Sent: 09 October 2003 05:49 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] After 3 years, I've had enough. > > > On Thursday, October 09, 2003 4:13 PM [GMT+1200=NZT], > joe_null <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > think you're a hard core Linux HLDS playa' eh, jeez now u wanna help > > Valve and Steam, well all of a sudden you're running a > Windoze server > > in addtion to Linux, lining Billy's pockets a little bit from > > nothing. we do not know the whole story behind this and most likely > > never will. however we do know what we have experienced, alot of > > hassle for supporting and promoting a product of someone else's, > > which never would have made it to the level of popularity it has, > > without the 'community' that runs 70% of the servers out there. > > > > Do you believe in UFOs too? > > -Simon > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] After 3 years, I've had enough.
> hehe, Steam will be free, havn't you read the news man? and do you think > they just ignore the bugs that are discovered? Probably they have a list > with the most important changes and the less important... So why look for > alternatives ? Oh yeah, Steam's free. Just like how the EQ and PlanetSide launchers are free. -a- Adam 'Starblazer' Romberg Appleton: 920-738-9032 System Administrator ExtremePC LLC-=- http://www.extremepcgaming.net ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] After 3 years, I've had enough.
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] steam is free. they said that already [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Respect? To valve? Do they show respect to the community? Do they fix bugs, that the beta testers discover? Will steam be free in further future like it has been always told to us? I think it's time to look for alternatives... > -Original Message- > From: Tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:36 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] After 3 years, I've had enough. > > > People, > > Please show some respect! This is the Hlaf-Life Dedicated > Server mailing > list and not an advertisment list for some other games! Also > keep in mind > that the Half-Life core was build in the 90tees! Almost 10 years old! > > Thanks! > > Tom > > - Original Message - > From: "0x2e" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:58 PM > Subject: [hlds_linux] After 3 years, I've had enough. > > > > > > Subject says it all. > > > > > > When people ask serious questions of a companies product reguarding > > security, and get no reply, there is something wrong with > said company. I > > don't buy the idea their network is being rebuilt either. Obviously > > something there is still on or this list wouldn't be > running nor would > > helpvalve@ work. How hard is it to have Leon H. send an > email from pine? > > > > I fully believe M$ was/still has controlling interest in > valve. If you > > don't understand why that is a bad thing, you never will. > > > > From the : > > > > - dick-wagging by Gabe re: DX9 and ATI's "Better support" vs. > > OpenGL and NVIDIA, AMD vs. Intel, etc. Look to the archives to > > find the truth. > > > > - their unwillingness to deviate from M$ products (be it mail/web > > server used internaly, etc -- Notice I _didn't_ say deviate from > > _Windows_ products, nor OS of choice), even if said deviation > > would be better. > > > > - _requiring_ "content" providers to run 2k3 server, but having no > > idea why people would be unwilling to "help" them. > > > > - re-inventing the content distrubution wheel for some > > gawdforsaken reason (Sun's Java Webstart vs. M$'s .NET), etc. etc. > > Then having no idea why it fell apart. > > > > - Refusing to listen the outcry from a community they supposedly > > "listen to" (re: steam, shields, etc) > > > > - Not only releasing a buggy as hell BETA product despite serious > > problems being found BEFORE the release, But, forcing the > > world to download said product without having the infrastructure > > to back it. Again, with no clue why it failed. > > > > Btw valve, where are your buddies at ATI on this? I see they > > have no mirror yet that other company you seem to not like has a > > few (Nvidia). > > > > - Refusing to listen again to community suggestions about > > possible ways to fix the bandwidth problem (re: .torrent files, > > supporting other _established_ mirroring methods like html, rsync, > > etc.). M$ way or no way again, Even though it would have > > eliminated the problem. > > > > - Total lack of priorities with again, security. It speaks > > volumes when major security patches are produced outside of a > > company, well before said company releases their own official > > patch. Windows and "It will be included in the next serice pack", > > comes to mind. > > > > > > My latest question to Valve was not the only security > question that has > > went unanswered. A few weeks back I pointed out how the > SteamID, smelled > > like a passport ID for example. I have never seen a reply > from valve on > > that nor many other concerns. Btw, if you don't know why > passport is BAD, > > google it. It has little to do with the fact that M$ runs it. > > > > > > I could go on but I won't. You guys get the picture heh. > > > > I have removed my CS servers, and replaced them with UT2k3 > and Q3A. You > > wanna see SWEET games? Play 'em :-) .. Native linux binaries too! > > > > For UT2k3 at least, it's VERY easy to code your own mods. > By mods I don't > > mean like CS/DoD-type a deal where it totaly changes the > game (which is > > still very easy). I mean admin stuff, changing weapon > skins/power, etc. > > Basicaly Metamod, but supported natively! (through UTScript) > > > > Unlike HL where it's a mod
Re: [hlds_linux] After 3 years, I've had enough.
hehe, Steam will be free, havn't you read the news man? and do you think they just ignore the bugs that are discovered? Probably they have a list with the most important changes and the less important... So why look for alternatives ? - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 9:12 AM Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] After 3 years, I've had enough. > Respect? To valve? Do they show respect to the community? Do they fix bugs, that the beta testers discover? Will steam be free in further future like it has been always told to us? > > I think it's time to look for alternatives... > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:36 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] After 3 years, I've had enough. > > > > > > People, > > > > Please show some respect! This is the Hlaf-Life Dedicated > > Server mailing > > list and not an advertisment list for some other games! Also > > keep in mind > > that the Half-Life core was build in the 90tees! Almost 10 years old! > > > > Thanks! > > > > Tom > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "0x2e" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:58 PM > > Subject: [hlds_linux] After 3 years, I've had enough. > > > > > > > > > > Subject says it all. > > > > > > > > > When people ask serious questions of a companies product reguarding > > > security, and get no reply, there is something wrong with > > said company. I > > > don't buy the idea their network is being rebuilt either. Obviously > > > something there is still on or this list wouldn't be > > running nor would > > > helpvalve@ work. How hard is it to have Leon H. send an > > email from pine? > > > > > > I fully believe M$ was/still has controlling interest in > > valve. If you > > > don't understand why that is a bad thing, you never will. > > > > > > From the : > > > > > > - dick-wagging by Gabe re: DX9 and ATI's "Better support" vs. > > > OpenGL and NVIDIA, AMD vs. Intel, etc. Look to the archives to > > > find the truth. > > > > > > - their unwillingness to deviate from M$ products (be it mail/web > > > server used internaly, etc -- Notice I _didn't_ say deviate from > > > _Windows_ products, nor OS of choice), even if said deviation > > > would be better. > > > > > > - _requiring_ "content" providers to run 2k3 server, but having no > > > idea why people would be unwilling to "help" them. > > > > > > - re-inventing the content distrubution wheel for some > > > gawdforsaken reason (Sun's Java Webstart vs. M$'s .NET), etc. etc. > > > Then having no idea why it fell apart. > > > > > > - Refusing to listen the outcry from a community they supposedly > > > "listen to" (re: steam, shields, etc) > > > > > > - Not only releasing a buggy as hell BETA product despite serious > > > problems being found BEFORE the release, But, forcing the > > > world to download said product without having the infrastructure > > > to back it. Again, with no clue why it failed. > > > > > > Btw valve, where are your buddies at ATI on this? I see they > > > have no mirror yet that other company you seem to not like has a > > > few (Nvidia). > > > > > > - Refusing to listen again to community suggestions about > > > possible ways to fix the bandwidth problem (re: .torrent files, > > > supporting other _established_ mirroring methods like html, rsync, > > > etc.). M$ way or no way again, Even though it would have > > > eliminated the problem. > > > > > > - Total lack of priorities with again, security. It speaks > > > volumes when major security patches are produced outside of a > > > company, well before said company releases their own official > > > patch. Windows and "It will be included in the next serice pack", > > > comes to mind. > > > > > > > > > My latest question to Valve was not the only security > > question that has > > > went unanswered. A few weeks back I pointed out how the > > SteamID, smelled > > > like a passport ID for example. I have never seen a r
RE: [hlds_linux] After 3 years, I've had enough.
Respect? To valve? Do they show respect to the community? Do they fix bugs, that the beta testers discover? Will steam be free in further future like it has been always told to us? I think it's time to look for alternatives... > -Original Message- > From: Tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:36 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] After 3 years, I've had enough. > > > People, > > Please show some respect! This is the Hlaf-Life Dedicated > Server mailing > list and not an advertisment list for some other games! Also > keep in mind > that the Half-Life core was build in the 90tees! Almost 10 years old! > > Thanks! > > Tom > > - Original Message - > From: "0x2e" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:58 PM > Subject: [hlds_linux] After 3 years, I've had enough. > > > > > > Subject says it all. > > > > > > When people ask serious questions of a companies product reguarding > > security, and get no reply, there is something wrong with > said company. I > > don't buy the idea their network is being rebuilt either. Obviously > > something there is still on or this list wouldn't be > running nor would > > helpvalve@ work. How hard is it to have Leon H. send an > email from pine? > > > > I fully believe M$ was/still has controlling interest in > valve. If you > > don't understand why that is a bad thing, you never will. > > > > From the : > > > > - dick-wagging by Gabe re: DX9 and ATI's "Better support" vs. > > OpenGL and NVIDIA, AMD vs. Intel, etc. Look to the archives to > > find the truth. > > > > - their unwillingness to deviate from M$ products (be it mail/web > > server used internaly, etc -- Notice I _didn't_ say deviate from > > _Windows_ products, nor OS of choice), even if said deviation > > would be better. > > > > - _requiring_ "content" providers to run 2k3 server, but having no > > idea why people would be unwilling to "help" them. > > > > - re-inventing the content distrubution wheel for some > > gawdforsaken reason (Sun's Java Webstart vs. M$'s .NET), etc. etc. > > Then having no idea why it fell apart. > > > > - Refusing to listen the outcry from a community they supposedly > > "listen to" (re: steam, shields, etc) > > > > - Not only releasing a buggy as hell BETA product despite serious > > problems being found BEFORE the release, But, forcing the > > world to download said product without having the infrastructure > > to back it. Again, with no clue why it failed. > > > > Btw valve, where are your buddies at ATI on this? I see they > > have no mirror yet that other company you seem to not like has a > > few (Nvidia). > > > > - Refusing to listen again to community suggestions about > > possible ways to fix the bandwidth problem (re: .torrent files, > > supporting other _established_ mirroring methods like html, rsync, > > etc.). M$ way or no way again, Even though it would have > > eliminated the problem. > > > > - Total lack of priorities with again, security. It speaks > > volumes when major security patches are produced outside of a > > company, well before said company releases their own official > > patch. Windows and "It will be included in the next serice pack", > > comes to mind. > > > > > > My latest question to Valve was not the only security > question that has > > went unanswered. A few weeks back I pointed out how the > SteamID, smelled > > like a passport ID for example. I have never seen a reply > from valve on > > that nor many other concerns. Btw, if you don't know why > passport is BAD, > > google it. It has little to do with the fact that M$ runs it. > > > > > > I could go on but I won't. You guys get the picture heh. > > > > I have removed my CS servers, and replaced them with UT2k3 > and Q3A. You > > wanna see SWEET games? Play 'em :-) .. Native linux binaries too! > > > > For UT2k3 at least, it's VERY easy to code your own mods. > By mods I don't > > mean like CS/DoD-type a deal where it totaly changes the > game (which is > > still very easy). I mean admin stuff, changing weapon > skins/power, etc. > > Basicaly Metamod, but supported natively! (through UTScript) > > > > Unlike HL where it's a mod to the server that even though > being us
Re: [hlds_linux] After 3 years, I've had enough.
People, Please show some respect! This is the Hlaf-Life Dedicated Server mailing list and not an advertisment list for some other games! Also keep in mind that the Half-Life core was build in the 90tees! Almost 10 years old! Thanks! Tom - Original Message - From: "0x2e" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:58 PM Subject: [hlds_linux] After 3 years, I've had enough. > > Subject says it all. > > > When people ask serious questions of a companies product reguarding > security, and get no reply, there is something wrong with said company. I > don't buy the idea their network is being rebuilt either. Obviously > something there is still on or this list wouldn't be running nor would > helpvalve@ work. How hard is it to have Leon H. send an email from pine? > > I fully believe M$ was/still has controlling interest in valve. If you > don't understand why that is a bad thing, you never will. > > From the : > > - dick-wagging by Gabe re: DX9 and ATI's "Better support" vs. > OpenGL and NVIDIA, AMD vs. Intel, etc. Look to the archives to > find the truth. > > - their unwillingness to deviate from M$ products (be it mail/web > server used internaly, etc -- Notice I _didn't_ say deviate from > _Windows_ products, nor OS of choice), even if said deviation > would be better. > > - _requiring_ "content" providers to run 2k3 server, but having no > idea why people would be unwilling to "help" them. > > - re-inventing the content distrubution wheel for some > gawdforsaken reason (Sun's Java Webstart vs. M$'s .NET), etc. etc. > Then having no idea why it fell apart. > > - Refusing to listen the outcry from a community they supposedly > "listen to" (re: steam, shields, etc) > > - Not only releasing a buggy as hell BETA product despite serious > problems being found BEFORE the release, But, forcing the > world to download said product without having the infrastructure > to back it. Again, with no clue why it failed. > > Btw valve, where are your buddies at ATI on this? I see they > have no mirror yet that other company you seem to not like has a > few (Nvidia). > > - Refusing to listen again to community suggestions about > possible ways to fix the bandwidth problem (re: .torrent files, > supporting other _established_ mirroring methods like html, rsync, > etc.). M$ way or no way again, Even though it would have > eliminated the problem. > > - Total lack of priorities with again, security. It speaks > volumes when major security patches are produced outside of a > company, well before said company releases their own official > patch. Windows and "It will be included in the next serice pack", > comes to mind. > > > My latest question to Valve was not the only security question that has > went unanswered. A few weeks back I pointed out how the SteamID, smelled > like a passport ID for example. I have never seen a reply from valve on > that nor many other concerns. Btw, if you don't know why passport is BAD, > google it. It has little to do with the fact that M$ runs it. > > > I could go on but I won't. You guys get the picture heh. > > I have removed my CS servers, and replaced them with UT2k3 and Q3A. You > wanna see SWEET games? Play 'em :-) .. Native linux binaries too! > > For UT2k3 at least, it's VERY easy to code your own mods. By mods I don't > mean like CS/DoD-type a deal where it totaly changes the game (which is > still very easy). I mean admin stuff, changing weapon skins/power, etc. > Basicaly Metamod, but supported natively! (through UTScript) > > Unlike HL where it's a mod to the server that even though being used on > 99.9% of every server out there, Valve refuses to add it as an official > feature (doesn't come with HLDS). Amazing eh? > > > Happy trails peeps, been fun. > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] After 3 years, I've had enough.
Mad Scientist wrote: According to the great words of 0x2e: Subject says it all. Yes, it does. And I'm feeling the same way. My only problem is that, after playing TFC almost exclusively for almost four years, I don't know what to replace it with. What else is out there that is similar to TFC? I dabbled in a few "war simulators" and didn't really dig them. I hate CS. Any suggestions for what I should try? -Mad Quake3 CTF. Threewave, Alliance, Team Arena, Standard Q3, Weapons Factory, and Quake3 Fortress. I'm sure there are many more I did not mention. I recently got back into playing TFC. I've started playing many of these mods, all of which I find just as fun. Also, the quantity of maps available for them is amazing. Such variety among gameplay is not something available with TFC. I've got to agree with the fact that Valve is mishandling the situation. The only reason I still use Windows is that I play HL/Steam. If not for that, I'd be using Linux (Slackware!). There are a few other really top-notch Q3 mods you should try: Urban Terror (not one of my favorites, but still really nice), and True Combat (real fun in a LAN) setting. They aren't similar, but they do have CTF modes (dunno about UT). There's also Unreal Fortress, for the original UT. Unreal Fortress 2003 is coming out soon as well. Also, you could go for that retro feel and play Team Fortress. I play that at school, since our PII-300/64M RAM boxes at school won't play anything else. Again, very similar to TFC, yet very different. There's a lot of fun stuff out there. See what you like, see what you don't. I like everything, gives just a wee hint of variety to gaming. --agenthh ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] After 3 years, I've had enough.
According to the great words of Matt Heler: > Valve was just recently hacked. Their fault. Don't they have an IT security department? If it was a bank who had just lost their entire database of customer information, including your own personal files, would you be as sympathetic? > The code that they have been slaving over, > for well over a year was released by hackers. See above. > Plus on top of that > they are under a tight schedule to reaudit and rewrite most of that > code. See above. > I'm just hoping HL2 plays out smoother then theese last few > months of HL have been. Unlikely. Every release they've done has been worse than the previous. This is one company that not only doesn't learn from the past, but in fact, they deteriorate. It's time to make them accountable. Vote with your wallets is all I can say. I've been supporting Valve and HL for years and they've done nothing but make money off of my efforts. Meanwhile, they've continued to make the game I love get worse and worse. You know, I don't expect them to pay me for providing a part of their server infrastructure. I don't even expect praise. I just expect a quality product that will improve with time, that I can feel confident in. Playing the game should be enough to make it worth it. But I don't even have that any more. Instead, I have a game with some of the most important features broken. I have securty problems ignored for months at a time while *my* server is vulnerable. I have the best anti-cheat systems disabled and replaced with crap. The list goes on and on how Valve has steadily messed this game up. So what will I do? Certainly *not* invest another dime in Valve. I figure I'm single handedly responsible for dozens of people buying HL1. I will try to be responsible for just as many deciding not to buy HL2. What goes around comes around. -Mad -- "A proof is a proof. What kind of a proof? It's a proof. A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven." Prime Minister Jean Chrétien ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] After 3 years, I've had enough.
According to the great words of 0x2e: > Subject says it all. Yes, it does. And I'm feeling the same way. My only problem is that, after playing TFC almost exclusively for almost four years, I don't know what to replace it with. What else is out there that is similar to TFC? I dabbled in a few "war simulators" and didn't really dig them. I hate CS. Any suggestions for what I should try? -Mad -- "A proof is a proof. What kind of a proof? It's a proof. A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven." Prime Minister Jean Chrétien ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] After 3 years, I've had enough.
Iam kinda inclined to disagree with your arguement. Valve has made mistakes and are making mistakes now. But some of what your pointing out is too extreme for a company to establish ( come on , using torrents to release patches ) . Right now Valve has alot more on there plate then just us complaining to them. Think about it , Valve was just recently hacked. The code that they have been slaving over, for well over a year was released by hackers. Plus on top of that they are under a tight schedule to reaudit and rewrite most of that code. I'm just hoping HL2 plays out smoother then theese last few months of HL have been. Matt H. On Tuesday 07 October 2003 08:58 pm, 0x2e wrote: > Subject says it all. > > > When people ask serious questions of a companies product reguarding > security, and get no reply, there is something wrong with said company. I > don't buy the idea their network is being rebuilt either. Obviously > something there is still on or this list wouldn't be running nor would > helpvalve@ work. How hard is it to have Leon H. send an email from pine? > > I fully believe M$ was/still has controlling interest in valve. If you > don't understand why that is a bad thing, you never will. > > From the : > > - dick-wagging by Gabe re: DX9 and ATI's "Better support" vs. > OpenGL and NVIDIA, AMD vs. Intel, etc. Look to the archives to > find the truth. > > - their unwillingness to deviate from M$ products (be it mail/web > server used internaly, etc -- Notice I _didn't_ say deviate from > _Windows_ products, nor OS of choice), even if said deviation > would be better. > > - _requiring_ "content" providers to run 2k3 server, but having no > idea why people would be unwilling to "help" them. > > - re-inventing the content distrubution wheel for some > gawdforsaken reason (Sun's Java Webstart vs. M$'s .NET), etc. etc. > Then having no idea why it fell apart. > > - Refusing to listen the outcry from a community they supposedly > "listen to" (re: steam, shields, etc) > > - Not only releasing a buggy as hell BETA product despite serious > problems being found BEFORE the release, But, forcing the > world to download said product without having the infrastructure > to back it. Again, with no clue why it failed. > > Btw valve, where are your buddies at ATI on this? I see they > have no mirror yet that other company you seem to not like has a > few (Nvidia). > > - Refusing to listen again to community suggestions about > possible ways to fix the bandwidth problem (re: .torrent files, > supporting other _established_ mirroring methods like html, rsync, > etc.). M$ way or no way again, Even though it would have > eliminated the problem. > > - Total lack of priorities with again, security. It speaks > volumes when major security patches are produced outside of a > company, well before said company releases their own official > patch. Windows and "It will be included in the next serice pack", > comes to mind. > > > My latest question to Valve was not the only security question that has > went unanswered. A few weeks back I pointed out how the SteamID, smelled > like a passport ID for example. I have never seen a reply from valve on > that nor many other concerns. Btw, if you don't know why passport is BAD, > google it. It has little to do with the fact that M$ runs it. > > > I could go on but I won't. You guys get the picture heh. > > I have removed my CS servers, and replaced them with UT2k3 and Q3A. You > wanna see SWEET games? Play 'em :-) .. Native linux binaries too! > > For UT2k3 at least, it's VERY easy to code your own mods. By mods I don't > mean like CS/DoD-type a deal where it totaly changes the game (which is > still very easy). I mean admin stuff, changing weapon skins/power, etc. > Basicaly Metamod, but supported natively! (through UTScript) > > Unlike HL where it's a mod to the server that even though being used on > 99.9% of every server out there, Valve refuses to add it as an official > feature (doesn't come with HLDS). Amazing eh? > > > Happy trails peeps, been fun. > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
