Re: [Hornlist] From The Oriental Schmidt House...YHR 863
Well since I'm probably one of very few if any one the list to have owned one, I suppose I should respond. It really was an exceptional horn. It was fairly heavy, but not unresponsive and I was unable to overblow the instrument. It was great for that sort of typical schmidt sound. Honestly my ONLY gripe about the playing characteristics was the piston! The valve they use is larger than all other's I've seen, so it was a bit too cumbersome and uncomfortable for my small hands. On the Bill Barnewitz's FunctionLust Cd, he is holding an 863 on the cover. One of the reasons by teacher bought it at the time was that he felt he could play louder on it compared to his 867G. The bell size is slightly larger than the current 667/667V "medium large" size. As I understand, the design is a direct copy of Dale Clevenger's Schmidt. I thought the B-flat was was a pretty good note actually. That price is steal!! I had people offering me $4500, and another offered to outbid when I sold mine. It's hard to find much info about them because there were less than. I think it might be sold by now, but Ken Pope had one for $5500 and there is one at Osmun, that looks almost identical to my former horn(Lawson finger dimes), that is $5000. Strangely enough, when I bought mine, the seller had trouble selling it and ended up giving me a good deal, but when I put mine up for sale, I got a lot of responses. More than the horn I'm selling now, hint hint hint! Heck, if I could afford it, I'd be buy it for $3200 and email the people who made offers on my horn. 863's come up for sale pretty rarely, which I think is a sign of their quality, among other reasons obviously. Bill Barnewitz played on one as did my teacher in undergrad. My teacher sold his, but I heard from a friend at NW that Mr. Barnewitz still plays on it sometimes. My undergrad teacher sold his to a student because he was playing his triple pretty much all the time. I think Mr. Barnewitz did his FunctionLust cd on the 863. Sounds fantastic either way. Buy it before I sell my car and buy it! Chris --- Ray & Sonja Crenshaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Since there's not much going on here on the list, and since this is going on > over at > e-Bay: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7317410797 > > ...I'd like to take this opportunity to inquire about the innate goodness of > these horns. > > For those too jaded to follow the link, it's a YHR-863, Yamaha's version of a > Schmidt > piston-change valve double. I remember seeing these in a Yamaha brochure back > in the early > 90's but I've never actually seen a real one. > > This one on e-Bay has been listed at least three times (possibly more, I > don't know) and > has gone, not only unsold, but unbid-upon. I saw it was $3,500 USD with no > bids, then > $3,200 and no bids, and now it's listed at $3,000 and six days left to do > business. The > BUY-IT-NOW price has always been $3,500. > > Q: Considered on their own terms, how do these horns play? > > Q: Compared to a real Schmidt, how do these horns play? How's the high Bb? > Did Yamaha's > acoustic engineers succeed in replicating the "burr" (Dave Krehbiel's term) > on this note? > > Q: Do these horns project? ...or do they just make pretty--but local--noise? > > And no, I'm not going to bid on it. It's just curiosity on my part. I won't > be driving out > to Bellevue, Washington to try it out, so I'm asking for a "virtual trial" on > the list > here. If you've owned or played one, I'm interested in hearing from you. > > jrc in SC > > > > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/tedesccj%40yahoo.com > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] From The Oriental Schmidt House...
Since there's not much going on here on the list, and since this is going on over at e-Bay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7317410797 ...I'd like to take this opportunity to inquire about the innate goodness of these horns. For those too jaded to follow the link, it's a YHR-863, Yamaha's version of a Schmidt piston-change valve double. I remember seeing these in a Yamaha brochure back in the early 90's but I've never actually seen a real one. This one on e-Bay has been listed at least three times (possibly more, I don't know) and has gone, not only unsold, but unbid-upon. I saw it was $3,500 USD with no bids, then $3,200 and no bids, and now it's listed at $3,000 and six days left to do business. The BUY-IT-NOW price has always been $3,500. Q: Considered on their own terms, how do these horns play? Q: Compared to a real Schmidt, how do these horns play? How's the high Bb? Did Yamaha's acoustic engineers succeed in replicating the "burr" (Dave Krehbiel's term) on this note? Q: Do these horns project? ...or do they just make pretty--but local--noise? And no, I'm not going to bid on it. It's just curiosity on my part. I won't be driving out to Bellevue, Washington to try it out, so I'm asking for a "virtual trial" on the list here. If you've owned or played one, I'm interested in hearing from you. jrc in SC ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Bright or Dark
that would be fantastic indeed. I know I have a "bright" sound... mostly because I've been told so by several teachers. I like my sound though- It's not so dark to be confused with any other low-brass instruments, yet not so bright to be confused with a trumpet or flugel. All-in-all though I'd have to say my tone is like looking into a mud-puddle- a far cry from Steve's "crystal clear pool of water." If you try to search for something in it there's no telling what you'll find! Think of it as panning for gold, and thinking you found diamonds, but it turned out to be cubic zirconia... you're a little bummed until you realize you can still sell Cubic Z. Cheers from Sparty Gra! Dave @ MSU On 21.04.2005, at 23:06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To me, bright and dark are sort of two dimensional descriptions, like painting opaque yellow or brown on a flat surface. Niether entirely satisfying. Wouldn't it be great to have a sound that's like looking into a deep crystal clear pool of water? Not bright or dark, but complete and vivid. -Steve Mumford ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/morganp2%40msu.edu ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Bright or Dark
To me, bright and dark are sort of two dimensional descriptions, like painting opaque yellow or brown on a flat surface. Niether entirely satisfying. Wouldn't it be great to have a sound that's like looking into a deep crystal clear pool of water? Not bright or dark, but complete and vivid. -Steve Mumford ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Beginning Methods
To hold it in Eb, hold it down a full step. To hold it in D, hold it down a step and a half, etc. John Baumgart - Original Message - From: "G" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "The Horn List" Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Beginning Methods > Hi, > > I learned out of the good ol' First Division Band > Method. > > A few years later, I found my old copy in a box, so I > took it and cut out the picture of Phil Farkas, > entitled "How To Hold The French Horn In F" and stuck > it on my locker at the university. Just in case I ever > forgot. > > Thing that puzzled me was that I was completely lost > if ever I had to hold a French Horn in Eb, or one in > D, or one in A, or God forbid one in B. > > Gary ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Beginning Methods
Hi, I learned out of the good ol' First Division Band Method. A few years later, I found my old copy in a box, so I took it and cut out the picture of Phil Farkas, entitled "How To Hold The French Horn In F" and stuck it on my locker at the university. Just in case I ever forgot. Thing that puzzled me was that I was completely lost if ever I had to hold a French Horn in Eb, or one in D, or one in A, or God forbid one in B. Gary Get Firefox!!http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/central.html ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Beginning Methods
Hi Paul, Your message about the "olden days" was fun. How familiar it all sounded. My 7th grade band had eight "horns" in the section. One was an old double Conn Schmidt model with a piston change valve. Mine was a Conn 4D, one was a Pan American single F, and the others were a mixture of rain catchers and mellophones. We also had a 65 piece orchestra. The director took away from any of the horn players, the Eb crooks, so we would learn to transpose the Eb parts, which were in the majority in those days Within a month or so we were all transposing the Eb parts with no problems. By high school time doubles were dominating and we were all on the way to be virtuosos(i). It was a great time and the spring solo contests were great adventures. About 1937 (I think) the nation was divided into regions and the solo contests were in three stages. There was the district, the winners of whom went to the state. The state winners were eligble for the national-regionals. There were other competitions around the country including the Tri-State Festival in Enid, OK, which began in 1935 and continues even today. Well Paul, we grew up with it and it has been a great ride! Pete Exline ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] hornroller.. new to me!
Its a shock when someone like me, that knows everything, stumbles across something new like hornroller. How long has this been going on? Check out the Hatch Horns. http://www.hornroller.com/ Leonard in Laredo ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] How Did They Find My Tux?
Ray & Sonja Crenshaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: My son plays tr*mbone (family list, no cursing) in the local high school band, and today he received a letter from his band director containing instructions for their upcoming spring concert. Well, his director also e-mailed these instructions to me. I haven't yet read the whole thing because the following sentence shook me to the foundations: *** "Members of the Symphonic Band should arrive at 6:45 p.m. in your formal outfit." *** My question is, "How-the-heck did the Symphonic Band members know where I kept my tuxedo?" ...and exactly *how many* of them does he expect will fit into it?" Maybe that message was meant for your wife ... now how did those Symphonic Band members know where her evening gown is? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] How Did They Find My Tux?
On Thursday, April 21, 2005, at 04:48 PM, Ray & Sonja Crenshaw wrote: It's bad enough that, just this morning, I shot a bear in my pajamas... but now I have to put up with THIS? How in the world did a bear steal your jammies and get into them? or are you really built like that? Gotta go! Mansur's Answers ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] How Did They Find My Tux?
My son plays tr*mbone (family list, no cursing) in the local high school band, and today he received a letter from his band director containing instructions for their upcoming spring concert. Well, his director also e-mailed these instructions to me. I haven't yet read the whole thing because the following sentence shook me to the foundations: *** "Members of the Symphonic Band should arrive at 6:45 p.m. in your formal outfit." *** My question is, "How-the-heck did the Symphonic Band members know where I kept my tuxedo?" ...and exactly *how many* of them does he expect will fit into it?" It's bad enough that, just this morning, I shot a bear in my pajamas... but now I have to put up with THIS? jrc ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Tone quality
> I'm going to indulge myself and repost Cabbage's last message > There's a lot of dross on the list. This is the real deal Yeah, I especially like the part where he said that some horn players are brighter than others. Y'know, I've noticed that myself. jrc ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Cabbage cries wolf
In a message dated 4/21/2005 1:35:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't read anything Cabbage writes, nor do I read any message tittled: "re: horn digest." Every time I have read something of "The Cabbage", it has been really stupid humor & a wast of my time. What is it, one in ten that he says something of content? Perhaps you might make some suggestions as to what constitutes content, as this message seems to be pretty devoid, as well. Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Cabbage cries wolf
Ah. how boring life would be if we all had the same sense of humour! All the best, Lawrence "þaes ofereode - þisses swa maeg" http://lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Cabbage cries wolf
In response to: John Mason's commments about Cabbage which he title: Re: Tone quality. I don't read anything Cabbage writes, nor do I read any message tittled: "re: horn digest." Every time I have read something of "The Cabbage", it has been really stupid humor & a wast of my time. What is it, one in ten that he says something of content? Richard Burdick 1st Horn Regina Symphony Regina, SK Canada ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Beginning Methods
No, my mother insisted that I wear wool socks... --- Alan Cole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Barefoot? -AC. > ~~~ > Of course that was in the days when I had to walk 5 miles to school in 5 > feet of snow uphill both ways. > > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Beginning Methods
Barefoot? -AC. ~~~ Of course that was in the days when I had to walk 5 miles to school in 5 feet of snow uphill both ways. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.1 - Release Date: 4/20/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Beginning Methods
Boy, you had it easy. The music direcector where I went to school did all that (except Tonette) PLUS footbal marching band before school, high school orchestra during 3rd period, and chorus at noon. In spite of that he inspired me to love music and to play the horn. Of course that was in the days when I had to walk 5 miles to school in 5 feet of snow uphill both ways. But seriously, he did all that, and I had a ball doing all of that. Herb Foster --- Paul Mansur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wednesday, April 20, 2005, at 10:44 AM, Steve Freides wrote: > > > > > How on earth can you teach someone to play an instrument in an ensemble > > setting? Seems impossible to me. > > > > > Simple. You begin with 20 or 30 kids and get a good Band Instrument > Method. That's how I got my start, and the way most of us began in > what is known as instrumental music education in this country. That's > also how I started my students when I was a public school band > director. There was no other choice. My schedule included daily > classes of two elementary school beginning bands, an intermediate > elementary school band, a junior high beginning band, a junior high > advanced band, a high school band, and two pre-band Tonette classes for > fourth graders. I coached solos, ensembles, et al plus a pep band for > basketball games before and after school and at night. After six years > of this with about 250 to 300 students daily I gave up and went back to > school to get a terminal degree, (the union card for college > employment) and found an easier way to make a living. For one thing > positive, if you do it right you learn a LOT about ALL the wind and > percussion instruments. Those who also had to teach an orchestra had > to also get quite familiar with the strings. > They're mostly out of print, now, but there were some good Beginning > books 50 years ago. "Easy Steps To The Band" comes to mind. It > contained much very practical material and was about as effective as it > was possible for a band method to be. I always had some fine ensembles > and a handful of All-State players every year. Boy! Talk about Work! > That was WORK! > > CORdially, Mansur's Answers > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
