[IceHorses] Re: Bill Saddling Beaut
> > Finally, here's a couple of pictures of Bill with his hoist which enabled > him to be able to saddle Beaut by himself, in the later years. Thanks Judy for the photos, I'm in the process or re-reading Bill's book as night time reading. It is even better second time around. I am also doing the Parelli programme level 1 and have got to the porcupine game. It is still raining here.Very few dry days for 10 months now. Yesterday we were 80% under water. It's slow going. Susan coombes
[IceHorses] Re: Fish in Water Tank
> I used to keep fish in my water tank but one year my tank water heater > broke down and all the fish froze. > > Pat G., in MN > Where do you get a tank water heater? Is it battery or mains? Sue Coombes
[IceHorses] Kentucky International Equine Summit
One of the discussions at the summit: The Well-being of the Competitive Horse Communication between the equine and man has always been a mystery. Although it is not in a horse´s genetic makeup to verbally communicate, they "speak" to us all the time. This concept was a common theme throughout all four of today´s panels on the Wellbeing of the Competitive Horse. Dr. Catherine Kohn, VMD, from the Ohio State University in Columbus, Ohio, acknowledged people who know horse language have special importance in future equine research. "We need to identify the relevant problems to research," said Kohn during the panel on "Equine Research: State of the Field." "But we need bright, intelligent, creative people that work with horses daily and know the problems they experience in order to identify them." When Keeneland Race Track installed Polytrack in 2006, it became the third North American facility to transition to this synthetic surface. The reason for the change was revealed during the session on "The Safety of Horses: A Long-Term View." "We felt the safety of the horse and rider was not coming first and that was unacceptable," Nick Nicholson, President of Keeneland, said. "You need to listen to the horse and do what´s best for him. It´s a tenet that is not used enough in this business." During the same session, Bill Casner, co-owner of WinStar Farm in Versailles, Kentucky, concurred with Nicholson, but added some personal insight. "Horses that have faulty conformation just float over a synthetic surface," Casner explained. "It is very forgiving and provides young horses with a chance to work through their issues because it allows their bones to remodel. The horse is telling us that he likes this kind of surface and we need to listen." In the panel "Veterinary Research on Equine Athletes," Dr. Mary Scollay-Ward, Association Veterinarian at Calder Race Course and Gulfstream Park said a horse´s body language usually indicates a predisposition to catastrophic injury. "With most catastrophic injuries, horses do tell you by exhibiting some sort of sign," Scollay-Ward said. "Except condylar fractures. In my experience, they usually occur in 3-year-olds that are moving quickly through their conditions and forward in their training but there are no outward signs." Charlie Hutton, a speaker for the "Experience, Compassion and Handling of the Horse," owns Hilldale Farm in Princeton, Kentucky and primarily trains reining horses. In his opinion, the key to equine safety is good horsemanship. "You have to always listen to the horse," Hutton said. "Horses are creatures of routine and if they act differently than they normally do, there is almost always something wrong. I rode a horse yesterday that seemed tired and was working to get through the ride. I knew something was off and sent him to the vet this morning." Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] What's In Your Saddle
What's in your saddle... and is it crooked? Here are some pictures of a saddle that the owner tore apart: http://www.newrider.com/forum/showthread.php?t=144231 Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] nasi's big day
2008/4/30 Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > The rider can often feel some tension building that the leader can't feel, but > if it's a kid up, you can't bank on having that feedback. That's pretty much how Cara and I work through things. Cara is probably 100 lbs and is a nicely balanced rider, so she starts the babies. She gives me directions, and I follow through with what ever she says, and all the while she's giving signals with her legs and using light reinforcement with the reins (if she happens to have them). That saidground driving is so valuable..I can't even tell you how valuable it is... Have you ground driven Nasi much Janice? I wish we all could be there and pull up lawn chairs and tell you all our wonderful wise thoughts from the sidelines... Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] nasi's big day
>>> I work as a trauma nurse at a level one pediatric trauma center and I have >>> to say >>> that I am not crazy about this recurring theme of using kids to start >>> horses. I am >>> sure that Nasi is well prepared and that all will go well, but no matter >>> how many >>> people write and tell me that this is how they prefer to start their >>> horses, I am >>> still going to think it is a bad idea. I have to go with Jacki on this one. Even if the risk is minimal, if something DOES happen, it will be all the harder to cope with if a small child gets hurt. When you start a horse, you automatically have an inexperienced horse, and in Nasi's case, a very young one. That's the worst combination you can have: an immature, inexperienced kid and an immature horse. No matter how many times you tell a kid to do something, or not to do something, they are still kids, and they can still be impetuous or simply not hear or understand what you mean. What seems sensible to them can seem totally ludicrous to us. And, it's not like they can actually practice this in advance. So, I'd also advise against it for the HORSE's sake. You want nothing for your horse but small incremental successes, even if it takes forever to make progress. As far as having you on one side and Donny on the other: when you think about it, if something does go awry, that's a very crowded situation. Horses are, in my experience, more likely to panic if they feel claustrophobic. There are times when I work with Shirley with a young horse that only one of us is right with the horse at a time, just in case there's an overreaction, it's easier to CALMLY clear the area. We also have a rule that the rider gives the leadline person the direction for when to stop, go, turn whatever. The rider can often feel some tension building that the leader can't feel, but if it's a kid up, you can't bank on having that feedback. If there are two or three people in the mix, it's harder to be sure that you don't crowd the horse and make things worse. Can you have an "evacutation plan" that you can depend on? I can guarantee you that if it were Cary where you're talking about Donny being, Cary wouldn't move the way I'd react. In a panic, you can't get yourself and the kid out of the way, and at the same instant, be telling a husband where to move too...while staying CALM for the horse's sake? That's a lot of players involved in a small area. I was on Gracie, probably her third ride, when the unforeseen happened. A huge horsefly bit her on the butt, she bucked, I instinctively grabbed mane to stay on, and when I grabbed, she thought something REALLY had hold of her, and then she REALLY bucked. I hit the ground hard, and she landed on my ankle - luckily just brushing it, not a solid blow, but I still limped for a month. I had the wind knocked out of me and I simply couldn't move out of the way for a few minutes - thankfully, Shirley was right outside the area and she knew immediately to stay calm and get Gracie settled down first, before checking on me. Gracie is a calm horse, and had had a lot of groundwork before that too. I was really glad that Cary wasn't there - he would have run to me, probably panicking Gracie more. No matter how many young horses I work with, I KNOW there's still some "unforeseen" potential out there. I haven't seen it in a while, but there's always something there. Since that Gracie incident, I'm very careful not to back a horse for the first time during the second week in August. That's the week the barn swallows leave the area, and that's when horse flies appear. Up until that moment, I had no idea that Gracie had such a hatred for horse flies, but believe me, I'll never forget it! I know not to make THAT mistake again, but I'm just not sure of all the other mistakes out there still left to be made... Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / TWH in Belgium
What gait for this Tennesee Walking Horse in Belgium: Because he's got such a head nod going, I want to say running walk, but I thought I saw ordinary walk, flat walk and running walk. The rider is sure using her left hand agressively. I think she's trying to keep him on the rail, but I'd rather use my inside leg. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] nasi's big day
In a message dated 4/30/2008 4:57:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) He looks very cute and ready for a person to sit on, I love that sensation on him. What a cutie. Sylvia **Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp0030002851)
[IceHorses] Liz in Belgium
http://www.pleasuregaits.com/Clinic_LizGraves.htm Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] What Gait / TWH in Belgium
What gait for this Tennesee Walking Horse in Belgium: http://gaited-horse.blogspot.com/2008/04/what-gait-tennessee-walker-in-belgium.html or http://gaited-hrose.blogspot.com Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Bill Saddling Beaut
>>>Was Bill then able to mount? He said: "It's always nice when a fella gets to be my age if there's some steps up to a ramp, so he can get on his horse from a better position." :-) There's a picture of him climbing the stairs to a ramp (porch) and bringing Beaut alongside. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] nasi's big day
no matter how many people write and tell me that this is how they prefer to start their horses, I am still going to think it is a bad idea. I agree with you completely and then I am going to confess that I just asked my grandson to do the first few rides on Yrsa. The difference here is that Gabriel is 17 and a better, more balanced rider than I am and he probably weighs more. He's certainly more agile and athletic than I am.l I don't have him train, although he did a great job with a Welsh pony I gave him several years ago. I just let him be the first person who sits on the ponies and the first person they move forward with. I used to start a few horses for other people when I was younger. I think the most importand thing is to assure that nothing bad/scarey happens. I really wouldn't want to pull someone back off. Tosca's first ride took place over about a week. First Gabe put weight in the left stirrup several times, then in the right stirrup several times. Because she was so stoic, he eventually gently slid onto the sadd.e We said good girl and put her up. The whole exercise was pretty silly because she just stood there each time, but the very first filly I ever started put me through the top rail of a wooden corral, a lesson I have never forgotten. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Bill Saddling Beaut
What wonderful pictures. And what a nice horse. Was Bill then able to mount? I see that as a potential problem for me in the distant (I hope) furture. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Bill Saddling Beaut
On 4/30/08, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Finally, here's a couple of pictures of Bill with his hoist which enabled > him to be able to saddle Beaut by himself, in the later years. I love that :) That will be me and Jas when I am 90 :) I think it said Bill was 90 when that pic was taken! janice-- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] nasi's big day
> I work as a trauma nurse at a level one pediatric trauma center and I have > to say that I am not crazy about this recurring theme of using kids to start > horses. I am sure that Nasi is well prepared and that all will go well, but > no matter how many people write and tell me that this is how they prefer to > start their horses, I am still going to think it is a bad idea. I hear you. Basically I feel he is ready to be sat on for a minute but I am too heavy. And he is too young. I think I will just see how it goes. Play it by ear. My intent is not to have him "ridden" but backed. briefly. I was thinking my husband could hold kale around the waist and if Nasi steps away he could just slide off into my husbands arms. But nasi has stood at the mounting block for months without moving a hair while I woggled the saddle leaned over him, waved arms all around, slapped stirrups against his sides. he seems to take a nap... Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] nasi's big day
> > > Should I do bareback? > > Has Nasi worn a saddle already? oh yeah all the time! He has been ponied in it on trail rides. The sensation. I think he is totally ready if I mounted him, but since I am too heavy for his size now and his age, it has to be my nephew, so I think I will spend a long time, all morning if necessary, getting him and Kale relaxed and enjoying themselves. i think at first he will wonder what is going on, the kid there, around him at the mounting block etc and it may make him wary so I want to get him past that. Janice Janice-- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] nasi's big day
- Original Message - From: "Janice McDonald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >I have rented a kid and he is coming over saturday to hopefully back > Nasi ( 4 years old tomorrow icelandic) the first time. I work as a trauma nurse at a level one pediatric trauma center and I have to say that I am not crazy about this recurring theme of using kids to start horses. I am sure that Nasi is well prepared and that all will go well, but no matter how many people write and tell me that this is how they prefer to start their horses, I am still going to think it is a bad idea. I think that the biggest reason to avoid using kids is this no matter who first backs the horse, even if the rider does everything right... the potential for serious injury exists and you would have a tough time forgiving yourself if something goes wrong. I realize that every time a kid gets on a horse they could get injured, but they are choosing to ride... when we ask a kid to get on a new horse we are putting them in a position that they would not be in if we weren't asking, and that difference is critical. I try to avoid giving unsolicited advice, but my job focuses on kids and injuries and I know that the best thing I can do is advocate for kids before they get medi-vaced into a facility like mine. Sorry Janice - Jacki
Re: [IceHorses] Fish in Water Tank
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 7:01 PM, Pat Grimmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm sure you could do that, but if it is shallow and you are in an area > that has cold enough weather for it to freeze solid, you will lose your fish > in the winter unless you catch them and bring them inside. I don't know how deep it is but hubby told me that the realtor told him that the previous owners had put trout in the pond, but he didn't say why they're not there now. V
Re: [IceHorses] nasi's big day
> nasi has been trained up til now to whoa, go, stand still at the > mounting block while I lean over him waving arms around, wiggle the > saddle vigorously, slap the stirrups against his side etc. He is fine > with all that. just stands there. I have ponied him on two trail > rides, he did great. He seems unafraid and not spooky of anything. Good! Charm's "training" has been over a long period of time, trying to touch on every thing that needs to be done before hand. I try not to add too many new things to the mix at once. > Should I do bareback? Has Nasi worn a saddle already? Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Fish in Water Tank
I'm sure you could do that, but if it is shallow and you are in an area that has cold enough weather for it to freeze solid, you will lose your fish in the winter unless you catch them and bring them inside. I used to keep fish in my water tank but one year my tank water heater broke down and all the fish froze. Pat G., in MN
Re: [IceHorses] Fish in Water Tank
i just wonder if there is a salmonella issue... Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] 2 Interesting things
> Was the skin pink or > > black, did you notice? > > It was pink sabino. Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] OT - sort of - Icelandic
vicka (native english speaker, moderate in german and yiddish, passingly familiar with hebrew I tried to learn Hebrew on my own, had tapes I played in the car while driving - wonder what happened to those? Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] 2 Interesting things
>>One of the foals was solid white > with blue eyes - not gray or cremello but white, white without a speck > of color on it anywhere. I had a white horse. She had about a dozen chestnut colored hairs in a fleck on her butt, and that was it. She was partially of Appy and pinto descent, and had pink, and a little mottled skin, brown eyes. Once a neighbor called and asked if my grey horse was out, and I said, "I don't have a grey horse". She was an Arabian owner, so was used to calling white horses grey, but I had never thought of my born-white horse as grey. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Fish in Water Tank
Is your water well water or city water? I would be afraid to kill the fish with my city water? Sylvia You are probably right, Sylvia. I remember when we had aquariums, that the instructions for people with city water was to leave it out in the room uncovered for a period of time to allow the chemicals to evaporate. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Fish in Water Tank
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 5:38 PM, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I see a few mosquitoes around > our goldfish pond, however, so I'm not sure how much they really help > mosquitoes. We have a pond on our new property--there's no fish. Sometimes ducks and geese swim in it. The water is green and murky. Could I just go to Walmart, buy some goldfish and put them in the pond? V
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Finally found a saddle
In a message dated 4/30/2008 1:08:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: He is doing better thank you, I am not, so tired from the change in weather from hot to cold. Taking care of someone full time is very tiring. Where did you get your saddle? Sylvia **Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp0030002851)
Re: [IceHorses] Fish in Water Tank
>>> I used to keep fish in the water tanks. Then I got to thinking... is it >>> better for horses to consumer algae or fish pee and poop? I don't know >>> the answer to that, so I haven't had fish for a few years. That choice is probably an even (or approximately) trade-off, although if it's truly in equilibrium, the algae should use the fish poop, and the fish should eat the algae. However, if the fish really help keep down mosquitoes, then there's a vote for fish. I see a few mosquitoes around our goldfish pond, however, so I'm not sure how much they really help mosquitoes. Also, be careful that your horses don't "gargle" in the water tubs after you worm them. Per my farrier, apparently wormers don't do much for the longevity of goldfish... :( Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Fish in Water Tank
> My husband has pet goldfish in all the horse tanks. I used to keep fish in the water tanks. Then I got to thinking... is it better for horses to consumer algae or fish pee and poop? I don't know the answer to that, so I haven't had fish for a few years. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] for the grace of god
when my nasi was gelded it was found that his ingual ring was open and gut fluid was in his scrotum and the vet said it could have led to hernia where his intestines might have descended into the scrotum. And he said that would be life threatening. I didnt get the full grasp of that til today, one of my favorite young horses was purchased last week by a friend and my friend called to say they gelded him this morning, not by a vet, and when the man (experienced at it) made the incision his intestines spilled out in a big pile into his hands. The vet came and they had to put him down I am just shocked. The vet said nothing they had done could have made it a different outcome unless they had known beforehand and sent him to Auburn. Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] joints and weight
--- On Tue, 4/29/08, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > is a product called Vitalzyme X. It is amazing. It goes to more of > the root issue in the body. We buy it wholesale for $82 for 360 > pills, I know that the retail cost can vary from $95-$160, depending > on the Doctor. > > does it have to be prescribed by a dr? No. You can buy it retail through them. Or other health care professionals carry it too, Lac, Dcs, Massage therapist, Mds. vitalzymx.com Sally and I both did this weight loss cure protocol > (Kevein Trudeaus book about the Simeons weight loss > protocol), anyway since we did the 2nd phase of that > protocol, my joint pain went down dramatically. > > where do you find the protocol info? It is a book that sells at Borders etcThe Weight Loss Cure Protocol that they do not want you to know about...by Kevein Truedeu You can also go to authenticweightloss.com has the paper written the the Dr. Simeons in the 50's (I think) It is pretty cool. In 4 weeks I went from a size 24 to a size 20. I have tried years to do that! Skye
Re: [IceHorses] awesome color
> lol, we don't see that kind of thing up in the > northeast...NEVER...it must be a southern big lick > thing? yes biglick. But we talk about it on here so much I thought everyone was familiar with it:) I guess seeing pics is another thing. janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] 2 Interesting things
. Was the skin pink or > black, did you notice? It was pink -- Laree in NC Doppa & Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang) "Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them." - William Farley
Re: [IceHorses] 2 Interesting things
the only thing I could think of that the white foal could be other than cremello Laree is the maximum expression of sabino or the maximum expression of tobiano. Most likely sabino. Sabinos range from dark color with a sprinkling of white hair here and there to pure white. and a sabino marker is one or two blue eyes. Was the skin pink or black, did you notice? If sabino it could throw a darker offspring. One like stonewall even. he is sabino, a medium expression, actually what most people call classic sabino. That the dam was "liver roan" is a tip off. Stonewalls dam was "black roan" and not spotted at all and his sire was classic black and white pinto, no sabino at all. So I suspect the dam was a minimally expressed sabino... she had some roan allen in her and roan allen is classic sabino. Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] awesome color
-- Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>uh, have you been out of the country for the last > century?<< lol, we don't see that kind of thing up in the northeast...NEVER...it must be a southern big lick thing? Ashley
[IceHorses] Re: Finally found a saddle
So if you could get one for twenty four grab it because of > the gas prices. Sylvia > Thanks Sylvia. I'll do that. How is everything going? How is your husband feeling?
[IceHorses] Re: Saddle slipping forward -WINTEC comfort pad
> > adding front shims until the muscles built back up. I would assume that also might help > for a horse who's conformationally built downhill. HI Karen Yes you do post about shims before. I have my eye on the thinline as well just found on another group someone used a Thinline to stop their saddle slipping forward on a wide Haflinger and it worked well for them. Emmy is built downhill the same on both sides. She has been plauged with back/saddle issues with every owner before me. Now we have her back sorted out, she is supper happy with the sensation and it has a great pressure reading from the Port Lewis Impression pad, I want to stick with this saddle and try and sort out the saddle slipping forward. And the slippage is not horrible, but enough to cause concern for her and myself. I should ask Dana about other types of girth covers as well. I think as I mention before in the contoured girth post the girth is pulling the saddle forward as well. I have a self adjustion Sensation girth and if I put the back billet through the keeper and leave the front one out it ends WAY off the girth so much so I am worried it will pinch on the side of the girth. which leads me to try and find something that would allow the girth buckles to form a large Y. So a larger girth cover at the buckle ends with a larger padded area to allow them to spread. Either that as Dana said order a new saddle with forward facing billets...I wish I could do that!! But I am sure Hubby would say NO! Thank you again Karen for all your advice I shall see if I can get some shims for my Skito.And I shall phone Dana and ask what she has for girth covers. Cheers Zoe and Emmy in BC
Re: [IceHorses] Fish in Water Tank
> > No, the water troughs seem to act as a round pen. In the old days, the > cowboys used to tie a leg up, but fortunately we are beyond that. It's hard > to find the leg on a goldfish, even for an experienced hand. > Hee hee...that's funny! Sarah in MT
[IceHorses] hey judy
you posted a url to a youtube or some video where a young woman or girl was playing at liberty with her icelandic ? Do you know how I can find that? Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
[IceHorses] nasi's big day
I have rented a kid and he is coming over saturday to hopefully back Nasi ( 4 years old tomorrow icelandic) the first time. He is my nephew, very small for a ten year old, very good balance, surfer, skateboarder etc. he has ridden jaspar before and was great. he is a good calm kid. Here is my plan for the session and you guys can offer suggestions/comments/advice if you want! nasi has been trained up til now to whoa, go, stand still at the mounting block while I lean over him waving arms around, wiggle the saddle vigorously, slap the stirrups against his side etc. He is fine with all that. just stands there. I have ponied him on two trail rides, he did great. He seems unafraid and not spooky of anything. Only thing i want to be careful of is it is his defense when aggravated, unhappy, mad, upset, he bolts off. He does this with the other horses and with me, when he gets sick of it all he will sorta skitter off to the end of the lead rope. But he has never taken off and pulled away with me since he was a baby. He seems to enjoy being trained and does some tricks and knows the early basics of clicker training. I will instruct Kale, my nephew, to be very slow and easy in his movements and not accidently bang his heels or be jumpy on him. Should I do bareback? Kale would be best with the saddle i think. But with bareback maybe he could just slide to the ground easier. I dont have a roundpen at the moment. But my husband will be on hand and my sister too, and she can take pics so my husband can stand on the other side of him. Should I just let him mount and sit there a minute or if all goes well lead him around a bit? Should I put the sidepull on him? He has worn it before too, and responds to rein pressure with it. I know I am making a bigger deal of this than I should... anyway. any ideas? I cant believe my little teddy bear is 4! Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] OT - Bootsie
On 4/30/08, Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bootsie killed a bear this morning. > > Nancy > life is rough out on the sands of the kalahari. The bear must have risked death by bootsie at the watering hole, where drought has brought these two species together in a moonscape of arid hardship, predator against predator, beast against beast. oh the humanity! Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Fish in Water Tank
We had one once, a bright orange goldfish in the water tank, about two inches long. and one day when stonewall was about 18 months old, I let the water drain out and he stood there over my shoulder just fascinated with nosiness of course and when the little fish came out the drain hole accidentally and took off flipping across the wet sand toward him he jumped about six feet in the air and fell sideways, blowing, then ran the perimeter of the fence with his tail flagged in full blown stud display. I shoulda known then he would always be a problem chile :) Janice even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] OT - Bootsie
Oh Nancy...I'm so glad that you have someone brave there to protect you. Good job Bootsie! <:] Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze http://www.myspace.com/iceponygoddess Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
Re: [IceHorses] awesome color
In a message dated 4/29/2008 8:29:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] write You know I have not seen anything like that either and I live in California with all the fruits and nuts. They do weird things to dogs and horses, anything to win. Well, platform shoes is what I figured, new style. Call them mules? Sylvia **Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp0030002851)
Re: [IceHorses] Fish in Water Tank
In a message dated 4/30/2008 7:53:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Is your water well water or city water? I would be afraid to kill the fish with my city water? Sylvia **Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp0030002851)
Re: [IceHorses] OT - sort of - Icelandic
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 06:21:06AM -0400, Karen Thomas wrote: > And considering there are only about 300,000 Icelanders, even if you go to > Iceland, you > won't have many people to talk to there. How many billions of humans on the > planet now? > Iceland is a teeny-tiny speck on this earth, and for that reason, it's about > the last > language I'd ever try to learn with any seriousness. icelandic is an old, beautiful, and interesting language with a fascinating literature. the icelandic sagas are a world classic, and to anyone interested in say the works of tolkien (or any english language fantasy in that tradition) can appreciate the influence of icelandic on the hobbits and the dwarves. (i admit to being one of those geeky people who actually studied quenya as a conlang, but that also has to do with how i met my husband, so is perhaps extra-important to me. :) icelandic is second on my list of languages i am contemplating atm (first is farsi), partly because i have several icelandic friends (despite there being only a few hundred thousand in the world, there are half a dozen of my acquaintance) and partly for its significance in western literature. i've listened to the sagas recited in icelandic and they are euphonious and beautiful; i would love to understand them properly as well. > Mic, there are over twice as many native-Welsh speaking people as native > Icelandic > speakers. another language i highly recommend -- i got passingly acquainted with it (better than icelandic) in my tolkien-scholarship days, but am sorry to say i have not retained it well. fascinatingly weird with the initial-consonant changes, which makes looking things up in a dictionary a serious pain sometimes :) --vicka (native english speaker, moderate in german and yiddish, passingly familiar with hebrew, acquainted with aramaic, swahili, american sign, french sign, latin (a language with NO speakers, but great!) and spanish, and yet insatiably curious for more :)
Re: [IceHorses] How To Ride An Icelandic Horse
On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 08:42:07PM -0700, Judy Ryder wrote: > Ya gotta be kidding: > > http://www.wikihow.com/Ride-an-Icelandic-Horse if it's a wiki can you edit it? --vicka
[IceHorses] 2 Interesting things
I went to the equine clinic with a friend yesterday because she needed a lameness check on her horse and 2 interesting things came up We were talking on the ride over about how all the people we know in the Southeast that have had foals or are expecting foals have had their mares go over their due date by at least 20 - 30 days and their foals weren't any bigger than what you find in a normal gestation. I know there is some leeway in foal births but to see it happen this consistently is unusual. We were conjecturing about why that would be. We asked the vet if he had noticed the foals being late this year and he said yes, without exception. His theory is that due to different and inferior hay being used due to the drought that it was affecting birthing. He also said something that I had heard before but forgotten - the foal determines the day and the mare determines the hour. Also, while we were there some people came in from a large TN Walking horse farm with 4 mares with 3-4 week old foals at their side (they were being checked for rebreeding) One of the foals was solid white with blue eyes - not gray or cremello but white, white without a speck of color on it anywhere. The mother looked like a liver roan and the sire was solid black (according to them) I have never paid much attention to color but I have always read that there is no such thing as a white horse - they may look white but they are gray or cremello but I am telling you this foal was white. It was not albino, either. How does that happen. Those guys were all excited and thought that foal was really something special but I wouldn't want it - I would be neutering that puppy in a heartbeat but they'll probably create a stir in the show ring and everyone will want one. -- Laree in NC Doppa & Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang) "Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them." - William Farley
Re: [IceHorses] Fish in Water Tank
How wild are they before they tame down? Do I have to do join up to calm and tame them? No, the water troughs seem to act as a round pen. In the old days, the cowboys used to tie a leg up, but fortunately we are beyond that. It's hard to find the leg on a goldfish, even for an experienced hand. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] OT - Bootsie
On 30/04/2008, Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bootsie killed a bear this morning. >From the look of where the fatal bite is...it was probably a slow death... Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Fish in Water Tank
--- Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My husband has pet goldfish in all the horse tanks. > They get quite tame and > we hope they keep the mosquito population down. How wild are they before they tame down? Do I have to do join up to calm and tame them? Susan in NV read my blog to see why I ride my horse in pink: http://desertduty.blogspot.com/ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [IceHorses] OT - Bootsie
--- Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bootsie killed a bear this morning. What a brave doggie!!! Susan in NV read my blog to see why I ride my horse in pink: http://desertduty.blogspot.com/ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [IceHorses] Fish in Water Tank
>A report about fish in the horse's water tank: My husband has pet goldfish in all the horse tanks. They get quite tame and we hope they keep the mosquito population down. Nancy
[IceHorses] Fell Ponies Let Out
Fell Ponies make the top story in the news; video here: http://kohd.com/ Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] An Old Image from Old Tolt Magazine
>> Here's another old image from an old Tolt magazine from Europe. I thought it was interesting that the noseband was labeled American. And the word "tryk" was used pointing to the upper and lower portions of the noseband. Also the dimensions of the shoes. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Clicker Clinic Report
By Nancy of the clicker list: I thought I'd post about the clinic we had in Strasburg on April 12 and 13. Peggy Hogan came in from California for this, and the 2-day clinic was really enlightening and helpful. We got a lot accomplished and several people are asking me to get a follow-up clinic scheduled. I hope those of you who couldn't come to this one WILL come to the next one!! We had 9 participants and several auditors. The auditors got lots of hands on stuff throughout the clinic by the way so they had just as much fun as the riders! The only thing that went wrong was the weather on the first day of the clinic! It was so darn cold in the barn that we all had to go inside the house to eat our lunch and warm up! But we took advantage of being inside to do a few Connected Riding exercises before going back out, and it warmed up later. Sunday was perfect. Peggy is a very accomplished teacher. She is fun, funny and really gave everyone one-on-one time with their horse. But as the very first thing, she had us get together in groups of 3. We practiced the simple movements of rewarding the horse properly. Each trio was made up of one person who played the "horse", the 2nd person was the "trainer" asking the horse for a certain behavior, and the 3rd person was the one who was clicking and rewarding the trainer for correct food delivery to the horse! Ha! It was a fun way to start the whole clinic and it was great for beginners to help get their timing down. My bad habit? Putting my hand straight back into the treat pouch after feeding the horse. And horses know exactly what you are doing and follow the hand instead of paying attention to what you are asking. So I had developed the bad habit of distracting the horse from doing what I wanted it to do. Very interesting and it was easy to correct that with this exercise! The clinic progressed from using Targeting techniques to Shaping and Capturing in order to get to the behaviors you want. Peggy also demonstrated how to use clicker training to handle a couple of very important issues. One horse had rolled and gotten sand in its eye and wanted no part of its eye being wiped off. Peggy very quickly had that horse putting its eye ONTO the moistened cloth to get its eye cleaned! Another horse had a bad habit of pawing the ground (and digging a hole!) from the moment she was tied. It took a bit of targetting and a bit of rewarding for the right thing, and pretty soon that horse was standing very nicely tied at the sidelines with no pawing! The one factor with clicker trained horses that sets them apart is that they will offer all kinds of behaviors once they know that the click means they get a treat or a reward. It's fascinating to watch how horses will think about things and come up with new attempts to get you to click them!! They get pretty darn creative! And once the horse knows that you are not going to punish them for offering all kinds of things, they start offering all kinds of things. Smart horses!! They tries are HUGE. Clicker training rewards it and allows the horse to feel totally safe while learning. Clicker training is all based on positive reinforcement, not correction, not negative reinforcement and never punishment. Clicker training lets the horse know that no matter how small a try they offer, they will get rewarded and that makes them very secure in the educational process as they figure out what you want, and it also builds a relationship of trust between you and your horse. Just yesterday, my vet came out to give our horses their spring shots. My draft cross was the one last year that could not handle it and ran around the corral a bit before coming back. The vet had to put the syringe holder in her first and then finally deliver the vaccine. Not this year. This time, my horse stood very well for her command "Stand" and even though she did not like the smell of the alcohol, and she had taken a couple of steps back at first, she came right back and stood and was given lots of reinforcement for standing and trusting what I asked. Of course she got tons of reward for that! She was a gem! Thanks to clicker training, the next time will be even easier! My vet, who is familiar with clicker training for dogs, was fascinated with clicker training for horses and wants to be included in our next clinic! Below are some notes that Lorrie (thanks, Lorrie!) took at the clinic. Peggy has added a few notes and comments. Again, please call me (720-201-9492) and let's set up the next clinic with even more people attending and auditing! Clicker Clinic Notes With Peggy Hogan Notes from clinic 4/12-13, 2008 Lorrie Todd, 719-573-8394 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Default behavior: what you want them to do when you are not doing anything. When they lose interest: . Played too long . Payment not enough . Up the pace. When having an issue (ABC - Antecedent, Behavior Consequence) . What is the behavior? . What happens before the behavior? .
[IceHorses] Fish in Water Tank
A report about fish in the horse's water tank: Back in the days when I ran a trail ride I had up to 19 horses in the pasture at the same time and only one water tank. It was a huge 'Cowboy Hot tub' about 10 feet across and 4 feet deep. I went to Wal-Mart and got some feeder goldfish and some catfish and a plecostamus ( a sort of algae eater) and put them all in the tank. They not only thrived but they kept the water very clear year 'round and after a few generations the gold fish became these beautiful fish with huge long tails. I never fed them as I discovered that after the horses had been fed they would come to the tank to drink and bits of feed would fall off their lips or out of their mouths as they drank and that would feed the fish. The catfish got huge as did the plecostamus but they created a lovely little ecosystem in there that thrived for years and I don't think I ever drained that tank in all that time as it was lovely clear water. I did put some flower pots on bricks in the bottom of the tank to give the fish a place to go where the raccoons couldn't get them. The horses didn't care at all and all the horses were very healthy. It is quite natural for them to drink water with fish in it. Out here most of the tanks have fish in them to keep down the mosquitoesgoldfish eat the larvae. __ Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] awesome color
> > I can understand where she's coming from Janice. Me too. I have never ever seen this equipment except in photos and that only after I bought my first gaited horse four years ago. For some of us it's quite an eye-opener. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] OT - sort of - Icelandic
On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 06:21:06 -0400, you wrote: >And considering there are only about 300,000 Icelanders, even if you go to >Iceland, you >won't have many people to talk to there. I think part of the reason I learned Icelandic (apart from a desire to communicate with people in Iceland and to read books about Icelandic horses back in the days when they were not available in English at all) is because I like various parts of Scandinavian culture, and I find having a knowledge of Icelandic lets me "get by" in Danish, Swedish, Norwegian and Faroese as well. Even Old Norse! ; ) I also wanted to be able to pronounce the horse names properly and understand their meanings without having to resort to a dictionary or a computer every time (which isn't at all important in the grand scheme of things, but makes me happy). Learning Welsh was/is more of a chore, but also quite satisfying. Here people work very hard to keep the language alive in the face of great opposition. It's hard when almost all the TV and radio services are in English (or American), but we do have a dedicated Welsh-language TV station, and several radio stations now. All public signs are bi-lingual, and Welsh-speaking schools are becoming more and more popular as parents want their children to grow up with both languages. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk ---
Re: [IceHorses] OT - sort of - Icelandic
On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 06:21:06 -0400, you wrote: >Mic, there are over twice as many native-Welsh speaking people as native >Icelandic >speakers. That's nice to know. Bore da. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk ---
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Name
Why not Arora? It is nasi's moms name and she is beautiful pale red dun. Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Saddle slipping forward -WINTEC comfort pad
>>> I am getting a Nomad (dixie mightnight) no sweat pad from Dana as I have a >>> Sensation >>> G3. Dana said she has had good results of saddles not slipping forward with >>> the Nomad. >>> So we shall see. I think I was having foals born when this topic first came up, so I didn't follow every post. I think someone suggested shimming the pad? Did you try that? A couple of my mares have had some muscle loss after pregnancy and delivery, and I've had good luck adding front shims until the muscles built back up. I would assume that also might help for a horse who's conformationally built downhill. Also, which Sensation girth do you have? I believe most, if not all, are made with Velcro such that the liners can be interchanged - I have wool fleece, neoprene and wool felt lined ones. I wonder if you might try buying a new liner in one of the other materials from Dana? Since I have a good many horses, I can justify owning a sheepskin correction pad. Mattes, Equine Comfort and Thinline brands make them, but mine was made by Equine Comfort. Instead of having two pockets for foam like the Skito type pads do, they have four - a front and rear pocket for each side. It's pretty amazing to see what a difference that adding even 1/4" extra foam in the front alone can do. You can add shims to any pad I suppose, but these are nice because you don't have to worry so much about the shims slipping.I'm not using mine at the moment, but it's nice to have - I could very well need it when Flekka and/or Maja return to riding duty later this year. I have the original Equine Comfort insert pads, plus I made a set of 1/4" felt inserts, and I bought a set of Thinline inserts which happen to fit this pad exactly. This gives me a lot of flexibility. Also curious - is she equally downhill built on both sides? If she's one-sided, you can certainly work on evening out her muscles - it won't cure a downhill built horse but it can help. I don't like to use shims long-term if I feel there's a development issue causing the bulk of the problem - best to build the muscles themselves if that's feasible. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] OT - sort of - Icelandic
>>> Icelandic is very hard to learn. Once you have learned it, the only place >>> you can use >>> it is in iceland. I have known people who studied Icelandic for years but >>> were still >>> unable to converse adequately in Iceland. I would like to learn it also, >>> just enough >>> so that I could pronounce words correctly. And considering there are only about 300,000 Icelanders, even if you go to Iceland, you won't have many people to talk to there. How many billions of humans on the planet now? Iceland is a teeny-tiny speck on this earth, and for that reason, it's about the last language I'd ever try to learn with any seriousness. The horses are really cool, and the country looks pretty in the pictures, but in overall world political importance...well, it's not. Here's a list of the top 50 languages of the world, ranked by the number of people who speak them. http://www.photius.com/rankings/languages2.html Numbers 49 and 50 (Yoruba and Sindhi) are spoken by about 20 million each. Iceland isn't even close to making the top-50 list. Mandarin Chinese is number 1, English is number 2, Spanish is number 3 and Arabic is number 4. German is 10 and French is number 14. It's really rather humbling to see how many people speak some of the languages that most of us would consider obscure. The wikipedia ranks the language in a slightly different way, but if you keep scrolling...and scrolling, and scrolling, you can find where Iceland falls in the greater scheme of things: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers Mic, there are over twice as many native-Welsh speaking people as native Icelandic speakers. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] An Old Image from Old Tolt Magazine
Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> kirjoitti: > Here's another old image from an old Tolt magazine from Europe. > And? Although it's very hard to read the text it looks like that has been written after some rule change and the purpose is to clarify what is allowed. Krisse
Re: [IceHorses] OT - sort of - Icelandic
>Icelandic is very hard to learn. Compared to Welsh, it's a piece of cake - trust me. Try Vietnamese! Our first two adopted children came from Viet Nam at ages 8 and 13. They spoke no English. I didn't get very far with that one, but learning a new language is supposed to be a good exercise for the aging brain. Nancy
[IceHorses] Re: Name
I found another website for names; http://www.babynamesworld.com/category-icelandic-names.html Maybe this will help Susan coombes
[IceHorses] Re: Name
> http://www.tranexp.com:2000/Translate/result.shtml > I don't know if it's the rain here yet again or the thought of that poor little foal with no name. I got hooked on this web site and I don't even know how to pronounce these names. Here are some that I thought of; angelengill beatyperla sunshinesolskin hope.vona miracle...undur dawnbirta smokey...reykja and my favourite; joygledja I might have got some spellings wrong All we need are a few more foals! Susan coombes
Re: [IceHorses] OT - sort of - Icelandic
On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:22:33 -0400, you wrote: >Icelandic is very hard to learn. Compared to Welsh, it's a piece of cake - trust me. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk ---
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Name
On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:21:04 -, you wrote: > I think Shadow would be >a lovely name for a foal. It is, but it's a male name - Skuggi. Maria has just named Olga's new blue dun colt Skuggi. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk ---
