Re: [ilugd] Mandriva 2007 Spring Edition
On 17-Aug-07, at 1:16 PM, Anupam Jain wrote: *could* try to hammer into his head why package management is a much better option than installers but instead I just introduced him to synaptic.. synaptic is the same as apt-get - no problem using it. Until it doesnt work for some reason ... I could teach him VIM but I'd rather tell him to use gedit.. I could ask him to download using wget but I'd rather say drag drop the link into the kget icon.. It's the only way we can all get along amicably.. i have a newbie friend who is in coimbatore and I have to sit in chennai and debug things over the phone. The trouble with GUI is that it is useless when it comes to debugging a problem. He knows to open a console, to su to root - all other commands, i spell out the command and ask him to press enter when done. Editing, still no problem - i make him cd to the relevant directory and type kwrite on the prompt and press enter. He uses kwrite to edit and save, exits and he is back on the command prompt. So no need to teach him vi or vim or emacs. In the instant case he was sharing files between two machines using the gui to set up sharing over ssh and konqueror to do the copying etc. But it stopped working - and all the gui could say was 'unable to connect'. In these cases, one has to do ping, ssh from the console, look at logs ... one thing i can say for him, he records all the sessions on the console, saves everything and learns quite a lot. If everything works - nothing like gui. But everything doesnt just work, and a guy who is unable to try some CLI stuff to debug might as well go back to doze where everything either works or you live with what doesnt work. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Mandriva 2007 Spring Edition
the free edittion is really good, even i am using it.. but one of my friend wants the spring edition specifically, may be for some official purpose. On 8/16/07, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 15-Aug-07, at 1:19 PM, Sahil Dave wrote: thanx for the reply Sharad, but if anybody has the dvd plz reply..! [EMAIL PROTECTED] has a copy, which i sent to him some time back, please contact him -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ -- Sahil MCA(SE) USIT ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Mandriva 2007 Spring Edition
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: On 16-Aug-07, at 3:03 PM, Sahil Dave wrote: the free edittion is really good, even i am using it.. but one of my friend wants the spring edition specifically, may be for some official purpose. the spring edition *is* free - there *is* a free dvd for download I guess you did make your point of view amply clear - what would be far more interesting is why you seem/appear not to be in favor of someone buying a Mandriva ? - -- You see things; and you say 'Why?'; But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGxCd/XQZpNTcrCzMRApwcAJ9Z+VpNShJFbFT/xdgLAAb4Mt/UKgCeM5ZL 7kT3Xi6Mqf5d/l+ltLxokjc= =UXD6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Mandriva 2007 Spring Edition
On 16-Aug-07, at 4:01 PM, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote: the spring edition *is* free - there *is* a free dvd for download I guess you did make your point of view amply clear - what would be far more interesting is why you seem/appear not to be in favor of someone buying a Mandriva ? a friend of mine 'bought' a Mandriva, spent USD 80 on it, because he wanted a box, manual and support. I was quite happy because that way Mandriva gets some money to support the great work they are doing. But, i find implied somewhere in some of the comments on this thread, the idea that 'free' mandriva is 'pirated'. It is not. I think the paid for versions have some closed drivers or some other features. And has more software on the DVD than the free DVD - which means what is missing on the DVD has to be downloaded - that's all. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Mandriva 2007 Spring Edition
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: a friend of mine 'bought' a Mandriva, spent USD 80 on it, because he wanted a box, manual and support. I was quite happy because that way Mandriva gets some money to support the great work they are doing. Good. That clears up one of my doubts as to whether you were more biased towards never buy/purchase what is available for download group that sometimes crops up on various mailing lists. But, i find implied somewhere in some of the comments on this thread, the idea that 'free' mandriva is 'pirated'. It is not. I think the paid for versions have some closed drivers or some other features. And has more software on the DVD than the free DVD - which means what is missing on the DVD has to be downloaded - that's all. In spite of the facility of being able to download bits that make the free DVD equivalent to the commercial DVD, if the original question was with a clear intent of willingness to pay, I would say that it will be generally better to encourage folks to pay to purchase. - -- You see things; and you say 'Why?'; But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGxC6yXQZpNTcrCzMRAqRAAJ9MB8urB3DvHLXE0TDPtKJ6ZuZ9sACfY/yv ocvZslxsvJutsMlxHZoQWY4= =QIiT -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Mandriva 2007 Spring Edition
On 8/16/07, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: my friend paid to download the paid-for version - but he couldnt do the download because he hadnt yet learnt to use wget - so he told them and they shipped the dvd to him. There are GUI ways too, isn't it? ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Mandriva 2007 Spring Edition
On 16-Aug-07, at 4:46 PM, mehul wrote: my friend paid to download the paid-for version - but he couldnt do the download because he hadnt yet learnt to use wget - so he told them and they shipped the dvd to him. There are GUI ways too, isn't it? gui ways break on long downloads - often they refuse to resume. wget - c is sure and safe. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Mandriva 2007 Spring Edition
On 8/16/07, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: gui ways break on long downloads - often they refuse to resume. wget - c is sure and safe. What about kget and gwget? They claim to be able to do it. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Mandriva 2007 Spring Edition
Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/16/07 4:51 PM On 16-Aug-07, at 4:46 PM, mehul wrote: my friend paid to download the paid-for version - but he couldnt do the download because he hadnt yet learnt to use wget - so he told them and they shipped the dvd to him. There are GUI ways too, isn't it? gui ways break on long downloads - often they refuse to resume. wget - c is sure and safe. Gui is not necessarily evil. I have had very good results with gftp. It automatically restarts, and can also continue/resume on a broken download. Though if you can spend the time to learn to use wget, you probably will not want to use anything else. Regards, Andrew ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Mandriva 2007 Spring Edition
On 8/16/07, Andrew Michael Lynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/16/07 4:51 PM On 16-Aug-07, at 4:46 PM, mehul wrote: my friend paid to download the paid-for version - but he couldnt do the download because he hadnt yet learnt to use wget - so he told them and they shipped the dvd to him. There are GUI ways too, isn't it? gui ways break on long downloads - often they refuse to resume. wget - c is sure and safe. Gui is not necessarily evil. I have had very good results with gftp. It automatically restarts, and can also continue/resume on a broken download. Though if you can spend the time to learn to use wget, you probably will not want to use anything else. Regards, Andrew Recommending command line options to do something as basic as downloading a file from the net sends out really bad signals to Linux newbies.. I'd recommend Downloader for X instead which is very powerful and user friendly.. -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Mandriva 2007 Spring Edition
I've had only too many broken downloads and lost quesues because d4x crashed that I wouldn't even recommend it to a pro. wget and proz work best for me. Sharad Birmiwal On 8/16/07, Anupam Jain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/16/07, Andrew Michael Lynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/16/07 4:51 PM On 16-Aug-07, at 4:46 PM, mehul wrote: my friend paid to download the paid-for version - but he couldnt do the download because he hadnt yet learnt to use wget - so he told them and they shipped the dvd to him. There are GUI ways too, isn't it? gui ways break on long downloads - often they refuse to resume. wget - c is sure and safe. Gui is not necessarily evil. I have had very good results with gftp. It automatically restarts, and can also continue/resume on a broken download. Though if you can spend the time to learn to use wget, you probably will not want to use anything else. Regards, Andrew Recommending command line options to do something as basic as downloading a file from the net sends out really bad signals to Linux newbies.. I'd recommend Downloader for X instead which is very powerful and user friendly.. -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Mandriva 2007 Spring Edition
On Thu, 2007-08-16 at 18:05 +0530, Anupam Jain wrote: [...] Recommending command line options to do something as basic as downloading a file from the net sends out really bad signals to Linux newbies.. [...] Speak for yourself, dude. The so-called newbies that I have explained command-line ways to do things with have been quite happy with the results, and I see no reason to push the GUI over the command-line, or vice-versa. Each has its advantages in different areas, but downloading files is *not* one in which there is a clear gain with one or the other. In my opinion, of course. Regards, Gora ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Mandriva 2007 Spring Edition
On 17-Aug-07, at 12:34 AM, Gora Mohanty wrote: Recommending command line options to do something as basic as downloading a file from the net sends out really bad signals to Linux newbies.. [...] Speak for yourself, dude. The so-called newbies that I have explained command-line ways to do things with have been quite happy with the results, and I see no reason to push the GUI over the command-line, or vice-versa. Each has its advantages in different areas, but downloading files is *not* one in which there is a clear gain with one or the other. In my opinion, of course. I personally am a very much gui guy - my firewall server has X running and I configure mainly through GUI. But I also have long long experience of flaky internet connections. I have downloaded 100MB files on 9.6k diallup where the diallup usually lasted 5 to 10 minutes - would take upto 20 days to do one download - curl was my friend. And flaky is still there - how do you explain to newbies that even though firefox has said that the download is complete - it isnt? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Mandriva 2007 Spring Edition
i wish i had the time to wait for the postage. thanx for the reply Sharad, but if anybody has the dvd plz reply..! thanx again On 8/15/07, Sharad Birmiwal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can probably arrange that for you. I think my friend has the 3/4(?) CD edition. I'll write back to you (off the list) by the end of the day. Sharad On 8/14/07, Karanbir Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sahil Dave wrote: Hi all LUG-D members, we urgently require a DVD of Mandriva 2007 Spring Edition. If any of you have it plz contact me why dont you just call them up ( Mandriva ) and buy a supported edition from them ? -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ -- Sahil MCA(SE) USIT ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Mandriva 2007 Spring Edition
On 14-Aug-07, at 7:46 PM, Sahil Dave wrote: we urgently require a DVD of Mandriva 2007 Spring Edition. If any of you have it plz contact me we have it -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Mandriva 2007 Spring Edition
Sahil Dave wrote: Hi all LUG-D members, we urgently require a DVD of Mandriva 2007 Spring Edition. If any of you have it plz contact me why dont you just call them up ( Mandriva ) and buy a supported edition from them ? -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Mandriva 2007 Spring Edition
I can probably arrange that for you. I think my friend has the 3/4(?) CD edition. I'll write back to you (off the list) by the end of the day. Sharad On 8/14/07, Karanbir Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sahil Dave wrote: Hi all LUG-D members, we urgently require a DVD of Mandriva 2007 Spring Edition. If any of you have it plz contact me why dont you just call them up ( Mandriva ) and buy a supported edition from them ? -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
