Re: [LegacyUG] Death Certificates
Ronald E Howell wrote Also, how do you create Source Detail without a Master Source? You don't! Source Detail is for information which is specific to one individual or event, or just a few and is therefore the "variations" of the Master Source. For example, "Birth Certificate" is a Master Source - you have one, I have one, everyone else has one: they can all be described as Birth Certificate. However, as soon as you say "my Birth Certificate" or "your Birth Certificate" or "his Birth Certificate" you are adding specifics which are the Source Detail. You *could* if you really wished, do away with Source Detail completely and have a new Master Source for every single variation of every Source, but I don't recommend it. You can't do away with Master Source because if you have a Source it is a Master Source! -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Death Certificates
I agree those would be gruesome. I was only referring to the "official" one done in previous eras. Gary - Original Message - From: "JLB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Death Certificates I do have one picture of a cousin in a casket and she looks quite peaceful. What I meant by 'gruesome' was contemplating the possibility in this media-mad society of people's deaths being photographed or video-ed on a regular basis (where possible). Sherry/Support wrote: Gary, I kind of giggled at this because I have a picture from the Goshen News in 1956 of my grandfather under a sheet in the street after he was hit by a train! So I suppose you could consider that a "death picture" Plus there are always pictures of mangled cars, trains, planes in the paper which people were in when they died - that could be a "death picture" also I suppose. Thanks for using Legacy. Sherry Customer Support Millennia Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Death Certificates
I do have one picture of a cousin in a casket and she looks quite peaceful. What I meant by 'gruesome' was contemplating the possibility in this media-mad society of people's deaths being photographed or video-ed on a regular basis (where possible). Sherry/Support wrote: Gary, I kind of giggled at this because I have a picture from the Goshen News in 1956 of my grandfather under a sheet in the street after he was hit by a train! So I suppose you could consider that a "death picture" Plus there are always pictures of mangled cars, trains, planes in the paper which people were in when they died - that could be a "death picture" also I suppose. Thanks for using Legacy. Sherry Customer Support Millennia Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence. Thanks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Templeman Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 9:04 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Death Certificates I think the term death picture is a bit misleading, it is really an after death picture. Certainly it would be gruesome to take pictures of the actual death event (who wants to see the mangled body at a car wreck). But I can understand families in the past wanting a final picture of their loved one, since photographs were often expensive or required going to a studio and were therefore taken infrequently during a person's life. We should also remember that things that are gruesome to us did not necessarily have the same effect on people who lived in a time when death was a much more frequent and personal experience. Death often happened at home, not in a hospital (where the body gets attended to by strangers not family members). People had large families because it was common for children to die and their aged parents often lived with them, so they saw death regularly. Gary Templeman Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Death Certificates
Gary, I kind of giggled at this because I have a picture from the Goshen News in 1956 of my grandfather under a sheet in the street after he was hit by a train! So I suppose you could consider that a "death picture" Plus there are always pictures of mangled cars, trains, planes in the paper which people were in when they died - that could be a "death picture" also I suppose. Thanks for using Legacy. Sherry Customer Support Millennia Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence. Thanks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Templeman Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 9:04 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Death Certificates I think the term death picture is a bit misleading, it is really an after death picture. Certainly it would be gruesome to take pictures of the actual death event (who wants to see the mangled body at a car wreck). But I can understand families in the past wanting a final picture of their loved one, since photographs were often expensive or required going to a studio and were therefore taken infrequently during a person's life. We should also remember that things that are gruesome to us did not necessarily have the same effect on people who lived in a time when death was a much more frequent and personal experience. Death often happened at home, not in a hospital (where the body gets attended to by strangers not family members). People had large families because it was common for children to die and their aged parents often lived with them, so they saw death regularly. Gary Templeman Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Death Certificates
I agree with Gary that the "death photo's" were not nearly as gruesome as one would expect. They can be somewhat of a celebration. I have just such a photo at http://www.tell-my-mom.com/_ancestry/pictures/vanzeelandmartindeathphoto.jpg and you'll see that it's much more about the flowers etc at the wake. They even went so far as to have this photo colorized with oil paints (the only way to get color in this time period). I am happy that Legacy includes the space to include photos of this type. But I will also admit for most, I have put headstones or death certificate photos in this space. I hope that you'll see that a death photo is not as bad as some would think. Jay -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Templeman Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 11:04 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Death Certificates I think the term death picture is a bit misleading, it is really an after death picture. Certainly it would be gruesome to take pictures of the actual death event (who wants to see the mangled body at a car wreck). But I can understand families in the past wanting a final picture of their loved one, since photographs were often expensive or required going to a studio and were therefore taken infrequently during a person's life. We should also remember that things that are gruesome to us did not necessarily have the same effect on people who lived in a time when death was a much more frequent and personal experience. Death often happened at home, not in a hospital (where the body gets attended to by strangers not family members). People had large families because it was common for children to die and their aged parents often lived with them, so they saw death regularly. Gary Templeman - Original Message - From: "Melody B" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 5:34 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Death Certificates > OT I know, but it used to be quite the "thing" once upon a time to > have death pictures. But yes, I agree a gruesome thought. > > I use them as Source Detail pictures as well. > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Death Certificates
I think the term death picture is a bit misleading, it is really an after death picture. Certainly it would be gruesome to take pictures of the actual death event (who wants to see the mangled body at a car wreck). But I can understand families in the past wanting a final picture of their loved one, since photographs were often expensive or required going to a studio and were therefore taken infrequently during a person's life. We should also remember that things that are gruesome to us did not necessarily have the same effect on people who lived in a time when death was a much more frequent and personal experience. Death often happened at home, not in a hospital (where the body gets attended to by strangers not family members). People had large families because it was common for children to die and their aged parents often lived with them, so they saw death regularly. Gary Templeman - Original Message - From: "Melody B" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 5:34 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Death Certificates OT I know, but it used to be quite the "thing" once upon a time to have death pictures. But yes, I agree a gruesome thought. I use them as Source Detail pictures as well. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Death Certificates
OT I know, but it used to be quite the "thing" once upon a time to have death pictures. But yes, I agree a gruesome thought. I use them as Source Detail pictures as well. On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 8:33 PM, JLB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I use scanned copies of death certificates as Source Detail pictures. The > source is Death Certificate or some particular location's death certificates. > I don't think I would use them as 'death pictures' because that use of Death > is an Event, so unless I had a picture of the person's death (a gruesome > thought) I don't actually have a picture of the Event. > JL > JLiki - creating your own genealogy wiki > http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jliki.html > > Ronald E Howell wrote: >> >> I have several Death Certificates that I got from the Mississippi State >> Archive and Library in Jackson, Mississippi. I have created a template that >> I intend to use for them. Where do I use this 'template'? Should I create >> an event for these death certificates? Or just forget about using them >> except as a 'Death Picture'. >> What a great group to be able to ask questions of any time day or night. >> >> Thanks in advance to all, >> >> Ronald Howell >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> >> Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp >> Archived messages: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ >> Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp >> To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > -- Take care, Melody If not now, when? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Death Certificates
You apply the Master Source for whatever pieces of information you're using it for (birth, death, parent's name, cause of death, burial location - they're usually quite the treasure-trove.) It sounds like you've gone at it backwards. Usually you enter the information, then click on the Sources icon and either Cite a Master Source or Add a new one. Since you've already created the Master Source, go back to the person and enter some of the information from the death certificate, then Cite the Master Source for the information you enter. It's all pretty clear with big buttons. Link the picture of it into Source Detail as further proof. It sounds like you're trying to make the Death Certificate itself into an Event. I think what we're telling you is don't. Use it as a Source of information. JL JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html Ronald E Howell wrote: I obviously did not explain myself fully. Using Master Sources and the SourceWriter, I have created the 'template'. In the following order: Death Records, Death Certificates, All Countries except.., Created at local/county level, Original microfilm/microfiche. Then I go to step 02 to enter other information. I was using the scanned copy of the death certificates, as I said, as a death picture (realizing all along that this was not effective). Since upgrading to V7, I would like to be able to use the above outlined feature. Now my questions are: Where do I use this Master Source? Should I create an event for 'Death Certificates'? Or just forget about using them except as a 'Death Picture' (gruesome sounding or not). Also, how do you create Source Detail without a Master Source? I hope all this makes sense. Just Learning. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Death Certificates
I use scanned copies of death certificates as Source Detail pictures. The source is Death Certificate or some particular location's death certificates. I don't think I would use them as 'death pictures' because that use of Death is an Event, so unless I had a picture of the person's death (a gruesome thought) I don't actually have a picture of the Event. JL JLiki - creating your own genealogy wiki http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jliki.html Ronald E Howell wrote: I have several Death Certificates that I got from the Mississippi State Archive and Library in Jackson, Mississippi. I have created a template that I intend to use for them. Where do I use this 'template'? Should I create an event for these death certificates? Or just forget about using them except as a 'Death Picture'. What a great group to be able to ask questions of any time day or night. Thanks in advance to all, Ronald Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Death Certificates
Ronald, What sort of a template, for a source for deaths? I just use all certificates as sources and attach them as pictures. In the UK they are Crown Copyright so cannot be published in any event. Ron Ferguson _ Update your British Prime Ministers Timeline - Blogs http://www.fergys.co.uk View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com > Subject: [LegacyUG] Death Certificates > Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 19:12:18 -0500 > > I have several Death Certificates that I got from the Mississippi State > Archive and Library in Jackson, Mississippi. I have created a template that > I intend to use for them. Where do I use this 'template'? Should I create > an event for these death certificates? Or just forget about using them > except as a 'Death Picture'. > > What a great group to be able to ask questions of any time day or night. > > Thanks in advance to all, > > Ronald Howell > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _ Get Hotmail on your mobile from Vodafone http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/107571435/direct/01/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
