Using ComSign smart card

2010-11-14 Thread Ori Idan 
VAT authorities will soon ask all reports to be signed using comsign digital
signature and identification should be done using their smartcard.
How can this smartcard be used under Linux?

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Re: Using ComSign smart card

2010-11-14 Thread Hetz Ben Hamo 
As much as I heard, for now it's only companies who make 4 millions
annually.

Hetz

2010/11/14 Ori Idan 

> VAT authorities will soon ask all reports to be signed using comsign
> digital signature and identification should be done using their smartcard.
> How can this smartcard be used under Linux?
>
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Re: Using ComSign smart card

2010-11-14 Thread Ori Idan 
Currently only 4 millions annually but from next year all companies and from
2011 everyone including small businesses.
So we have to be ready for this.

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2010/11/14 Hetz Ben Hamo 

> As much as I heard, for now it's only companies who make 4 millions
> annually.
>
> Hetz
>
> 2010/11/14 Ori Idan 
>
>> VAT authorities will soon ask all reports to be signed using comsign
>> digital signature and identification should be done using their smartcard.
>> How can this smartcard be used under Linux?
>>
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Re: Using ComSign smart card

2010-11-14 Thread Dotan Cohen 
2010/11/14 Ori Idan :
> Currently only 4 millions annually but from next year all companies and from
> 2011 everyone including small businesses.
> So we have to be ready for this.
>

Have you directed the question to the VAT authorities?


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Re: Using ComSign smart card

2010-11-14 Thread Ori Idan 
Yes I did and did not get any answer yet.

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On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Dotan Cohen  wrote:

> 2010/11/14 Ori Idan :
> > Currently only 4 millions annually but from next year all companies and
> from
> > 2011 everyone including small businesses.
> > So we have to be ready for this.
> >
>
> Have you directed the question to the VAT authorities?
>
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Re: Using ComSign smart card

2010-11-14 Thread Ariel Biener 

 On 11/14/2010 11:46 AM, Ori Idan wrote:
Currently only 4 millions annually but from next year all companies 
and from 2011 everyone including small businesses.

So we have to be ready for this.

Call Comsign (the Certificates arm of Comda). They are most helpful
with regards to their CA operation.

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Re: Using ComSign smart card

2010-11-14 Thread Ori Idan 
I talked with Comsign they refered me to TEHILA.
I wrote Email to TEHILA but did not get any answer yet.
>From searching google it seems that the companies who manufacture the
smartcard reader have drivers to Linux, it seems however that these
are proprietary drivers.
I think that many of us have to be worried about this, I guess many people
here are freelancers or have small companies.
Currently it seems we got a delay, they wanted that from 1-1-2011 everyone
will start reporting using the new system and now they said that only
 businesses earning more then 1.6 million NIS per year will be obligated.
They still say that from 1--1-2012 Every one will have to report this way.
Look at: http://ozar.mof.gov.il/taxes/heshbonotMekuvan.htm (hebrew)

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On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 9:22 PM, Ariel Biener  wrote:

>  On 11/14/2010 11:46 AM, Ori Idan wrote:
>
>> Currently only 4 millions annually but from next year all companies and
>> from 2011 everyone including small businesses.
>> So we have to be ready for this.
>>
> Call Comsign (the Certificates arm of Comda). They are most helpful
> with regards to their CA operation.
>
> -- Ariel
>  --
>  Ariel Biener
>  e-mail: ar...@post.tau.ac.il
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Re: Using ComSign smart card

2010-11-14 Thread Hetz Ben Hamo 
Ori,

You really think the people from Tehila will help you? They know well how to
manage servers, but Linux support for smart cards? ha!

How much does it cost to register/buy the card etc? I'll register, get the
stuff and see if I can assist.

Since I'm not an expert in smart cards, and assuming I'll find a way to use
some drivers with the card, which apps should I test to "mark" the thing as
"passed" or not?

This will be fun :)

Hetz

2010/11/14 Ori Idan 

> I talked with Comsign they refered me to TEHILA.
> I wrote Email to TEHILA but did not get any answer yet.
> From searching google it seems that the companies who manufacture the
> smartcard reader have drivers to Linux, it seems however that these
> are proprietary drivers.
> I think that many of us have to be worried about this, I guess many people
> here are freelancers or have small companies.
> Currently it seems we got a delay, they wanted that from 1-1-2011 everyone
> will start reporting using the new system and now they said that only
>  businesses earning more then 1.6 million NIS per year will be obligated.
> They still say that from 1--1-2012 Every one will have to report this way.
> Look at: http://ozar.mof.gov.il/taxes/heshbonotMekuvan.htm (hebrew)
>
> --
> Ori Idan
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 9:22 PM, Ariel Biener wrote:
>
>>  On 11/14/2010 11:46 AM, Ori Idan wrote:
>>
>>> Currently only 4 millions annually but from next year all companies and
>>> from 2011 everyone including small businesses.
>>> So we have to be ready for this.
>>>
>> Call Comsign (the Certificates arm of Comda). They are most helpful
>> with regards to their CA operation.
>>
>> -- Ariel
>>  --
>>  Ariel Biener
>>  e-mail: ar...@post.tau.ac.il
>>  PGP: http://www.tau.ac.il/~ariel/pgp.html
>>
>>
>

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Re: Using ComSign smart card

2010-11-14 Thread Ori Idan 
No, I do not think the people from Tehila will help me.
I did this only to let them know that people use other operating systems.
I hope that other people will do that too.
I did search the net and found that they use card readers by some know
manufacturers see for example:
http://www.scmmicro.com/security/view_product_en.php?PID=4

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On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Hetz Ben Hamo  wrote:

> Ori,
>
> You really think the people from Tehila will help you? They know well how
> to manage servers, but Linux support for smart cards? ha!
>
> How much does it cost to register/buy the card etc? I'll register, get the
> stuff and see if I can assist.
>
> Since I'm not an expert in smart cards, and assuming I'll find a way to use
> some drivers with the card, which apps should I test to "mark" the thing as
> "passed" or not?
>
> This will be fun :)
>
> Hetz
>
> 2010/11/14 Ori Idan 
>
>> I talked with Comsign they refered me to TEHILA.
>> I wrote Email to TEHILA but did not get any answer yet.
>>  From searching google it seems that the companies who manufacture the
>> smartcard reader have drivers to Linux, it seems however that these
>> are proprietary drivers.
>> I think that many of us have to be worried about this, I guess many people
>> here are freelancers or have small companies.
>> Currently it seems we got a delay, they wanted that from 1-1-2011 everyone
>> will start reporting using the new system and now they said that only
>>  businesses earning more then 1.6 million NIS per year will be obligated.
>> They still say that from 1--1-2012 Every one will have to report this way.
>> Look at: http://ozar.mof.gov.il/taxes/heshbonotMekuvan.htm (hebrew)
>>
>> --
>> Ori Idan
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 9:22 PM, Ariel Biener wrote:
>>
>>>  On 11/14/2010 11:46 AM, Ori Idan wrote:
>>>
 Currently only 4 millions annually but from next year all companies and
 from 2011 everyone including small businesses.
 So we have to be ready for this.

>>> Call Comsign (the Certificates arm of Comda). They are most helpful
>>> with regards to their CA operation.
>>>
>>> -- Ariel
>>>  --
>>>  Ariel Biener
>>>  e-mail: ar...@post.tau.ac.il
>>>  PGP: http://www.tau.ac.il/~ariel/pgp.html
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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Re: Using ComSign smart card

2010-11-14 Thread Ori Idan 
Which means the drivers are free?
Good to know that Fedora already has the drivers, which means that it might
be very easy to use it, even easier then in windows :-)

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On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 10:14 PM, Hetz Ben Hamo  wrote:

> Thanks for the link, this card reader uses the pc/sc interface which
> drivers, daemon etc are already inside standard linux distributions, my
> Fedora 13 has it already.
>
>  I'll call comsign tommorow.
>
> Hetz
>
>
> 2010/11/14 Ori Idan 
>
>> No, I do not think the people from Tehila will help me.
>> I did this only to let them know that people use other operating systems.
>> I hope that other people will do that too.
>> I did search the net and found that they use card readers by some know
>> manufacturers see for example:
>> http://www.scmmicro.com/security/view_product_en.php?PID=4
>>
>> --
>> Ori Idan
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Hetz Ben Hamo  wrote:
>>
>>> Ori,
>>>
>>> You really think the people from Tehila will help you? They know well how
>>> to manage servers, but Linux support for smart cards? ha!
>>>
>>> How much does it cost to register/buy the card etc? I'll register, get
>>> the stuff and see if I can assist.
>>>
>>> Since I'm not an expert in smart cards, and assuming I'll find a way to
>>> use some drivers with the card, which apps should I test to "mark" the thing
>>> as "passed" or not?
>>>
>>> This will be fun :)
>>>
>>> Hetz
>>>
>>> 2010/11/14 Ori Idan 
>>>
 I talked with Comsign they refered me to TEHILA.
 I wrote Email to TEHILA but did not get any answer yet.
  From searching google it seems that the companies who manufacture the
 smartcard reader have drivers to Linux, it seems however that these
 are proprietary drivers.
 I think that many of us have to be worried about this, I guess many
 people here are freelancers or have small companies.
 Currently it seems we got a delay, they wanted that from 1-1-2011
 everyone will start reporting using the new system and now they said that
 only  businesses earning more then 1.6 million NIS per year will be
 obligated.
 They still say that from 1--1-2012 Every one will have to report this
 way.
 Look at: http://ozar.mof.gov.il/taxes/heshbonotMekuvan.htm (hebrew)

 --
 Ori Idan


 On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 9:22 PM, Ariel Biener wrote:

>  On 11/14/2010 11:46 AM, Ori Idan wrote:
>
>> Currently only 4 millions annually but from next year all companies
>> and from 2011 everyone including small businesses.
>> So we have to be ready for this.
>>
> Call Comsign (the Certificates arm of Comda). They are most helpful
> with regards to their CA operation.
>
> -- Ariel
>  --
>  Ariel Biener
>  e-mail: ar...@post.tau.ac.il
>  PGP: http://www.tau.ac.il/~ariel/pgp.html
>
>

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Re: Using ComSign smart card

2010-11-14 Thread Hetz Ben Hamo 
The framework is there, daemon is there, I don't know if what Comsign sells
is supported or not and how many variants of cards + readers they sell (let
me guess: the cheapest ones, and they make tons of money from them).

I'll talk to them tomorrow.

Hetz


2010/11/14 Ori Idan 

> Which means the drivers are free?
> Good to know that Fedora already has the drivers, which means that it might
> be very easy to use it, even easier then in windows :-)
>
> --
> Ori Idan
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 10:14 PM, Hetz Ben Hamo  wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the link, this card reader uses the pc/sc interface which
>> drivers, daemon etc are already inside standard linux distributions, my
>> Fedora 13 has it already.
>>
>>  I'll call comsign tommorow.
>>
>> Hetz
>>
>>
>> 2010/11/14 Ori Idan 
>>
>>> No, I do not think the people from Tehila will help me.
>>> I did this only to let them know that people use other operating systems.
>>> I hope that other people will do that too.
>>> I did search the net and found that they use card readers by some know
>>> manufacturers see for example:
>>> http://www.scmmicro.com/security/view_product_en.php?PID=4
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ori Idan
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote:
>>>
 Ori,

 You really think the people from Tehila will help you? They know well
 how to manage servers, but Linux support for smart cards? ha!

 How much does it cost to register/buy the card etc? I'll register, get
 the stuff and see if I can assist.

 Since I'm not an expert in smart cards, and assuming I'll find a way to
 use some drivers with the card, which apps should I test to "mark" the 
 thing
 as "passed" or not?

 This will be fun :)

 Hetz

 2010/11/14 Ori Idan 

> I talked with Comsign they refered me to TEHILA.
> I wrote Email to TEHILA but did not get any answer yet.
>  From searching google it seems that the companies who manufacture the
> smartcard reader have drivers to Linux, it seems however that these
> are proprietary drivers.
> I think that many of us have to be worried about this, I guess many
> people here are freelancers or have small companies.
> Currently it seems we got a delay, they wanted that from 1-1-2011
> everyone will start reporting using the new system and now they said that
> only  businesses earning more then 1.6 million NIS per year will be
> obligated.
> They still say that from 1--1-2012 Every one will have to report this
> way.
> Look at: http://ozar.mof.gov.il/taxes/heshbonotMekuvan.htm (hebrew)
>
> --
> Ori Idan
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 9:22 PM, Ariel Biener wrote:
>
>>  On 11/14/2010 11:46 AM, Ori Idan wrote:
>>
>>> Currently only 4 millions annually but from next year all companies
>>> and from 2011 everyone including small businesses.
>>> So we have to be ready for this.
>>>
>> Call Comsign (the Certificates arm of Comda). They are most helpful
>> with regards to their CA operation.
>>
>> -- Ariel
>>  --
>>  Ariel Biener
>>  e-mail: ar...@post.tau.ac.il
>>  PGP: http://www.tau.ac.il/~ariel/pgp.html
>>
>>
>

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Re: Using ComSign smart card

2010-11-14 Thread Hetz Ben Hamo 
Thanks for the link, this card reader uses the pc/sc interface which
drivers, daemon etc are already inside standard linux distributions, my
Fedora 13 has it already.

I'll call comsign tommorow.

Hetz


2010/11/14 Ori Idan 

> No, I do not think the people from Tehila will help me.
> I did this only to let them know that people use other operating systems.
> I hope that other people will do that too.
> I did search the net and found that they use card readers by some know
> manufacturers see for example:
> http://www.scmmicro.com/security/view_product_en.php?PID=4
>
> --
> Ori Idan
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Hetz Ben Hamo  wrote:
>
>> Ori,
>>
>> You really think the people from Tehila will help you? They know well how
>> to manage servers, but Linux support for smart cards? ha!
>>
>> How much does it cost to register/buy the card etc? I'll register, get the
>> stuff and see if I can assist.
>>
>> Since I'm not an expert in smart cards, and assuming I'll find a way to
>> use some drivers with the card, which apps should I test to "mark" the thing
>> as "passed" or not?
>>
>> This will be fun :)
>>
>> Hetz
>>
>> 2010/11/14 Ori Idan 
>>
>>> I talked with Comsign they refered me to TEHILA.
>>> I wrote Email to TEHILA but did not get any answer yet.
>>>  From searching google it seems that the companies who manufacture the
>>> smartcard reader have drivers to Linux, it seems however that these
>>> are proprietary drivers.
>>> I think that many of us have to be worried about this, I guess many
>>> people here are freelancers or have small companies.
>>> Currently it seems we got a delay, they wanted that from 1-1-2011
>>> everyone will start reporting using the new system and now they said that
>>> only  businesses earning more then 1.6 million NIS per year will be
>>> obligated.
>>> They still say that from 1--1-2012 Every one will have to report this
>>> way.
>>> Look at: http://ozar.mof.gov.il/taxes/heshbonotMekuvan.htm (hebrew)
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ori Idan
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 9:22 PM, Ariel Biener wrote:
>>>
  On 11/14/2010 11:46 AM, Ori Idan wrote:

> Currently only 4 millions annually but from next year all companies and
> from 2011 everyone including small businesses.
> So we have to be ready for this.
>
 Call Comsign (the Certificates arm of Comda). They are most helpful
 with regards to their CA operation.

 -- Ariel
  --
  Ariel Biener
  e-mail: ar...@post.tau.ac.il
  PGP: http://www.tau.ac.il/~ariel/pgp.html


>>>
>>
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Re: Using ComSign smart card

2010-11-14 Thread Ori Idan 
>From the conversation I had today with Comsign representative it seems that
it is not Comsign who is responsible for it. It is Tehila which means it is
even worse since we know Tehila can not even manage their own servers.
Comsign seems to be only the CA the issues the digital signatures. I think
this is also a problem that we must use only one CA.

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On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Hetz Ben Hamo  wrote:

> The framework is there, daemon is there, I don't know if what Comsign sells
> is supported or not and how many variants of cards + readers they sell (let
> me guess: the cheapest ones, and they make tons of money from them).
>
> I'll talk to them tomorrow.
>
> Hetz
>
>
> 2010/11/14 Ori Idan 
>
>> Which means the drivers are free?
>> Good to know that Fedora already has the drivers, which means that it
>> might be very easy to use it, even easier then in windows :-)
>>
>> --
>> Ori Idan
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 10:14 PM, Hetz Ben Hamo  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the link, this card reader uses the pc/sc interface which
>>> drivers, daemon etc are already inside standard linux distributions, my
>>> Fedora 13 has it already.
>>>
>>>  I'll call comsign tommorow.
>>>
>>> Hetz
>>>
>>>
>>> 2010/11/14 Ori Idan 
>>>
 No, I do not think the people from Tehila will help me.
 I did this only to let them know that people use other operating
 systems.
 I hope that other people will do that too.
 I did search the net and found that they use card readers by some know
 manufacturers see for example:
 http://www.scmmicro.com/security/view_product_en.php?PID=4

 --
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 On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote:

> Ori,
>
> You really think the people from Tehila will help you? They know well
> how to manage servers, but Linux support for smart cards? ha!
>
> How much does it cost to register/buy the card etc? I'll register, get
> the stuff and see if I can assist.
>
> Since I'm not an expert in smart cards, and assuming I'll find a way to
> use some drivers with the card, which apps should I test to "mark" the 
> thing
> as "passed" or not?
>
> This will be fun :)
>
> Hetz
>
> 2010/11/14 Ori Idan 
>
>> I talked with Comsign they refered me to TEHILA.
>> I wrote Email to TEHILA but did not get any answer yet.
>>  From searching google it seems that the companies who manufacture the
>> smartcard reader have drivers to Linux, it seems however that these
>> are proprietary drivers.
>> I think that many of us have to be worried about this, I guess many
>> people here are freelancers or have small companies.
>> Currently it seems we got a delay, they wanted that from 1-1-2011
>> everyone will start reporting using the new system and now they said that
>> only  businesses earning more then 1.6 million NIS per year will be
>> obligated.
>> They still say that from 1--1-2012 Every one will have to report this
>> way.
>> Look at: http://ozar.mof.gov.il/taxes/heshbonotMekuvan.htm (hebrew)
>>
>> --
>> Ori Idan
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 9:22 PM, Ariel Biener 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>  On 11/14/2010 11:46 AM, Ori Idan wrote:
>>>
 Currently only 4 millions annually but from next year all companies
 and from 2011 everyone including small businesses.
 So we have to be ready for this.

>>> Call Comsign (the Certificates arm of Comda). They are most helpful
>>> with regards to their CA operation.
>>>
>>> -- Ariel
>>>  --
>>>  Ariel Biener
>>>  e-mail: ar...@post.tau.ac.il
>>>  PGP: http://www.tau.ac.il/~ariel/pgp.html
>>>
>>>
>>
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Re: Using ComSign smart card

2010-11-14 Thread Amos Shapira 
How is the market share of Apple in Israel these days? Their distrobutors
should be interested in this issue as well.

On 15/11/2010 7:14 AM, "Ori Idan"  wrote:

No, I do not think the people from Tehila will help me.
I did this only to let them know that people use other operating systems.
I hope that other people will do that too.
I did search the net and found that they use card readers by some know
manufacturers see for example:
http://www.scmmicro.com/security/view_product_en.php?PID=4

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>
> Ori,
>
> You really...

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Re: Using ComSign smart card

2010-11-14 Thread Hetz Ben Hamo 
Ok, finished! (at least in terms of hardware "research")

The Tehila project suggest 5 card readers which are "supported" by them
(well, someone will support, maybe, Tehila doesn't know how to support
people), you can see the list here:
http://www.gov.il/FirstGov/smartCard/business/businessStart/

I won't look
at the serial and PCMCIA solutions cause everyone got USB these days, so
we're left with 3 cards:

1. Athena ASE llle USB - this card is fully supported under Linux. You can
download it's driver (fully open source), run configure, make, make install
and thats it. I think it's already included on some recent distribution, but
even if it's not, it takes 1 minute to compile & install.
2. SCM SCR3310 - This card uses a *binary only* library (scmccid) which it
has some hard-coded library path inside it (some developers should be
shot!). Avoid this card if you prefer not to mess with binary only stuff.
Please note: it's not binary only kernel driver, only user level shared
library.
3. GemPlus GemPC Twin - This one is the nicest. You don't need any special
drivers. If you're distribution is pretty modern, it should have the driver
for it inside the kernel and it would be auto recognize it when you connect
it to your machine.

Amos - I assume that OS X has PC/SC support inside, so you should have out
of the box support on your Mac on 1 and 3. Funny thing: Number 2 driver got
this on it's Info.plist file:
http://www.apple.com/DTDs/PropertyList-1.0.dtd";>

Thats - for the kernel stuff. User level stuff - that I need to research a
bit...

Thanks,
Hetz

2010/11/14 Amos Shapira 

> How is the market share of Apple in Israel these days? Their distrobutors
> should be interested in this issue as well.
>
> On 15/11/2010 7:14 AM, "Ori Idan"  wrote:
>
> No, I do not think the people from Tehila will help me.
> I did this only to let them know that people use other operating systems.
> I hope that other people will do that too.
> I did search the net and found that they use card readers by some know
> manufacturers see for example:
> http://www.scmmicro.com/security/view_product_en.php?PID=4
>
> --
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>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Hetz Ben Hamo  wrote:
> >
> > Ori,
> >
> > You really...
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Re: Using ComSign smart card

2010-11-14 Thread Ori Idan 
>From looking at Tehila web site it seems they do support Mac OS/X but do not
support linux (yet, they say).
However from looking into some of the card readers they offer, it seems that
most card readers have Linux drivers.
For example: http://www.athena-scs.com/product.asp?pid=1
More drivers can be found at:
http://www.linuxnet.com/sourcedrivers.html
 So it seems there is no problem
using the card readers under Linux.
I hope there aren't any other problems such as Explorer only websites etc.
We have about a year to solve these problems as all of us who report VAT
will need to report their VAT report using these methods from 1-1-2012

-- 
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On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 10:29 PM, Amos Shapira wrote:

> How is the market share of Apple in Israel these days? Their distrobutors
> should be interested in this issue as well.
>
> On 15/11/2010 7:14 AM, "Ori Idan"  wrote:
>
> No, I do not think the people from Tehila will help me.
> I did this only to let them know that people use other operating systems.
> I hope that other people will do that too.
> I did search the net and found that they use card readers by some know
> manufacturers see for example:
> http://www.scmmicro.com/security/view_product_en.php?PID=4
>
> --
> Ori Idan
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Hetz Ben Hamo  wrote:
> >
> > Ori,
> >
> > You really...
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Re: Using ComSign smart card

2010-11-14 Thread Ori Idan 
Thank you Hetz.
>From what you wrote and what I looked it really seems we should not have any
problems with the hardware.
Tehila says something regarding using Firefox in this document:
http://www.gov.il/NR/rdonlyres/864BC531-DA34-4007-8EA9-39FAEA9607CE/0/Firefox.doc

>From reading this document it seems we can use it under Linux although they
say Linux not yet supported.
Can someone read it and maybe point out some other problems I have
overlooked?

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On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 10:56 PM, Hetz Ben Hamo  wrote:

> Ok, finished! (at least in terms of hardware "research")
>
> The Tehila project suggest 5 card readers which are "supported" by them
> (well, someone will support, maybe, Tehila doesn't know how to support
> people), you can see the list here:
> http://www.gov.il/FirstGov/smartCard/business/businessStart/
>
> I won't look
> at the serial and PCMCIA solutions cause everyone got USB these days, so
> we're left with 3 cards:
>
> 1. Athena ASE llle USB - this card is fully supported under Linux. You can
> download it's driver (fully open source), run configure, make, make install
> and thats it. I think it's already included on some recent distribution, but
> even if it's not, it takes 1 minute to compile & install.
> 2. SCM SCR3310 - This card uses a *binary only* library (scmccid) which it
> has some hard-coded library path inside it (some developers should be
> shot!). Avoid this card if you prefer not to mess with binary only stuff.
> Please note: it's not binary only kernel driver, only user level shared
> library.
> 3. GemPlus GemPC Twin - This one is the nicest. You don't need any special
> drivers. If you're distribution is pretty modern, it should have the driver
> for it inside the kernel and it would be auto recognize it when you connect
> it to your machine.
>
> Amos - I assume that OS X has PC/SC support inside, so you should have out
> of the box support on your Mac on 1 and 3. Funny thing: Number 2 driver got
> this on it's Info.plist file:
>  http://www.apple.com/DTDs/PropertyList-1.0.dtd";>
>
> Thats - for the kernel stuff. User level stuff - that I need to research a
> bit...
>
> Thanks,
> Hetz
>
> 2010/11/14 Amos Shapira 
>
> How is the market share of Apple in Israel these days? Their distrobutors
>> should be interested in this issue as well.
>>
>> On 15/11/2010 7:14 AM, "Ori Idan"  wrote:
>>
>> No, I do not think the people from Tehila will help me.
>> I did this only to let them know that people use other operating systems.
>> I hope that other people will do that too.
>> I did search the net and found that they use card readers by some know
>> manufacturers see for example:
>> http://www.scmmicro.com/security/view_product_en.php?PID=4
>>
>> --
>> Ori Idan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Hetz Ben Hamo  wrote:
>> >
>> > Ori,
>> >
>> > You really...
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Re: Using ComSign smart card

2010-11-14 Thread Dotan Cohen 
2010/11/14 Ori Idan :
> No, I do not think the people from Tehila will help me.
> I did this only to let them know that people use other operating systems.
> I hope that other people will do that too.
> I did search the net and found that they use card readers by some know
> manufacturers see for
> example: http://www.scmmicro.com/security/view_product_en.php?PID=4
>

I'll call them and ask questions to help them understand that not
everyone uses Windows. Even if the drivers are already available, it
might help to get a bit of support from the company.

But I am certainly out of my field. What should I ask, specifically?
What should I read before calling them (to bring my knowledge up to
date)?

Thanks.

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Re: Using ComSign smart card

2010-11-14 Thread Amos Shapira 
On 15 November 2010 07:56, Hetz Ben Hamo  wrote:
> Amos - I assume that OS X has PC/SC support inside, so you should have out of 
> the box support on your Mac on 1 and 3. Funny thing: Number 2 driver got this 
> on it's Info.plist file:
>  "http://www.apple.com/DTDs/PropertyList-1.0.dtd";>
> Thats - for the kernel stuff. User level stuff - that I need to research a 
> bit...

Thanks. I don't use Apple hardware and I'm not in Israel, so both are
not relevant for me.

I just suggested to look at enlisting a commercial supplier of
none-Windows products to the cause.
If they have more than a double-digit IQ then they should have
interest in the state not leaving the users of their products out in
the cold (and thus adding a point against buying Apple hardware).

(For many years the Apple rep in Israel was a moron with single-digit
IQ, but I heard that a while ago they were replaced so maybe the new
rep understands such matters better).

--Amos

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Re: Using ComSign smart card

2010-11-15 Thread Kfir Lavi 
2010/11/14 Ori Idan :
> From looking at Tehila web site it seems they do support Mac OS/X but do not
> support linux (yet, they say).
> However from looking into some of the card readers they offer, it seems that
> most card readers have Linux drivers.
> For example: http://www.athena-scs.com/product.asp?pid=1
> More drivers can be found at: http://www.linuxnet.com/sourcedrivers.html
> So it seems there is no problem using the card readers under Linux.
> I hope there aren't any other problems such as Explorer only websites etc.
> We have about a year to solve these problems as all of us who report VAT
> will need to report their VAT report using these methods from 1-1-2012

From what I know, SHA'AM are responsible for developing the websites
for the tax authorities.
They don't understand in open standards, and they also don't care!
I think talking to someone there and understanding who is in charge of
the the website development, and maybe one of you consultants will
give them some hours to help open their development process.

Regards,
Kfir
> --
> Ori Idan
>
> On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 10:29 PM, Amos Shapira 
> wrote:
>>
>> How is the market share of Apple in Israel these days? Their distrobutors
>> should be interested in this issue as well.
>>
>> On 15/11/2010 7:14 AM, "Ori Idan"  wrote:
>>
>> No, I do not think the people from Tehila will help me.
>> I did this only to let them know that people use other operating systems.
>> I hope that other people will do that too.
>> I did search the net and found that they use card readers by some know
>> manufacturers see for
>> example: http://www.scmmicro.com/security/view_product_en.php?PID=4
>> --
>> Ori Idan
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Hetz Ben Hamo  wrote:
>> >
>> > Ori,
>> >
>> > You really...
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