Re: [Lubuntu-admins] Sub-Team Reporting: How is it Done?

[Walter Lapchynski]

> My first question is how is sub-team reporting done with each of the team?

QA (testing, bugs, release, ultimately) does reporting to the mailing
lists, usually around the time of milestones. Outside of that, updates
(present needs, future plans) happen as needed. These things are
usually included at Lubuntu/Testing#Updates.

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[Lubuntu-admins] LoCo planning

[Walter Lapchynski]

Alright, so I need to start putting together stuff for the LoCo
session we have scheduled for 1900 on Thursday 13 November 2014:
http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22341/latest-developments-in-lubuntu-development/

I would really like it if each of the team leaders could provide
something. If you can't be there, that's fine. I'll put together a
slide show and talk for you. What I need is content.

I plan on using our own template from marketing for the slides:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Marketing#LibreOffice_Impress

So if you want to just put your own presentation together using the
template, that's great. I'll just merge them all together.

As for me, I plan on speaking about the following (not in any particular order):
1. PPC
- focus on LTS
- the latest news on the Radeon issues
2. Testing
- general discussion of what testing is
- testing in light of LXQt
3. Bugs
- bug reports need triaged
- just focusing on Lubuntu bugs is a bite sized job

Other pieces of news that I think we need to sort of layout for people
when talking about development (the boss' job; I'm just suggesting):
1. amd64+mac is gone
2. LXQt is coming
3. 15.04 MAY be available in GTK and Qt formats??
4. We may or may not have a CD-sized desktop??

Julien: if you need me to put together the slides based on some
content you have, I can. Otherwise, feel free to make your own and
bring it with you when you talk :)

Please include any other ideas or suggestions here. We don't have a
ton of time and I also need to put something together for my LoCo!!!

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[Lubuntu-admins] UDS planning

[Walter Lapchynski]

Um, ignore the previous subject of this message.

On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 10:42 AM, Walter Lapchynski  wrote:
> Alright, so I need to start putting together stuff for the LoCo
> session we have scheduled for 1900 on Thursday 13 November 2014:
> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22341/latest-developments-in-lubuntu-development/
>
> I would really like it if each of the team leaders could provide
> something. If you can't be there, that's fine. I'll put together a
> slide show and talk for you. What I need is content.
>
> I plan on using our own template from marketing for the slides:
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Marketing#LibreOffice_Impress
>
> So if you want to just put your own presentation together using the
> template, that's great. I'll just merge them all together.
>
> As for me, I plan on speaking about the following (not in any particular 
> order):
> 1. PPC
> - focus on LTS
> - the latest news on the Radeon issues
> 2. Testing
> - general discussion of what testing is
> - testing in light of LXQt
> 3. Bugs
> - bug reports need triaged
> - just focusing on Lubuntu bugs is a bite sized job
>
> Other pieces of news that I think we need to sort of layout for people
> when talking about development (the boss' job; I'm just suggesting):
> 1. amd64+mac is gone
> 2. LXQt is coming
> 3. 15.04 MAY be available in GTK and Qt formats??
> 4. We may or may not have a CD-sized desktop??
>
> Julien: if you need me to put together the slides based on some
> content you have, I can. Otherwise, feel free to make your own and
> bring it with you when you talk :)
>
> Please include any other ideas or suggestions here. We don't have a
> ton of time and I also need to put something together for my LoCo!!!
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Re: [Lubuntu-admins] UOS (was Re: UDS planning)

[Walter Lapchynski]

Sorry for the subject change, but, even though it's often still
referred to as the Ubuntu DEVELOPER Summit, because of it being
entirely virtual AND open to subjects that affect non-developers,
they've been calling it the Ubuntu ONLINE Summit. Sorry for
perpetuating the confusion.

>>> Alright, so I need to start putting together stuff for the
>>> session we have scheduled for 1900 on Thursday 13 November 2014:
>>> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22341/latest-developments-in-lubuntu-development/

The blueprint is now linked, so feel free to use that to add subjects!
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-1411-latest-developments-in-lubuntu-development

> I already have my ideas in my head, not sure I'll be able to make more
> than the blueprints

Works for me! I'll let you just give the talk about development topics
yourself. Would it be better for you to talk at the beginning of the
session or the end of the session?

>>> 3. Bugs
>>> - bug reports need triaged
>>> - just focusing on Lubuntu bugs is a bite sized job
> I done that long time ago, I can give some advises on it.

I'm all ears!

>>> 3. 15.04 MAY be available in GTK and Qt formats??
> No, only 1 format is planned (2 formats, mean x2 ISO to test ...)

Since I'm confused on exactly how that works, you might want to
discuss it. Is there a choice between GTK and Qt sessions? Or just Qt?

>>> 4. We may or may not have a CD-sized desktop??
> I like the CD size idea. It forces us to be strict when including
> packages in the seed.

Yeah, so you might want to explain your thoughts on the matter.

> You should probably add the ARM subject (or any support for others
> architectures).

Well, I did some research on this and tl;dr there's really no such
thing as ARM support. Ubuntu ARM exists for two reasons: to support
Touch and servers. Beyond that, there is inconsistency to the BIOS if
you will and so every platform requires a completely different image
with different drivers blah blah blah. I might come up with a "how to
get Lubuntu on a RIoTboard" blog but it's probably not going to extend
beyond that. Not something we really should be supporting officially.
We'd have better luck with PPC (aigh!)

To everyone else, PLEASE have something to me by 2000 UTC 12 Nov 2014
so I have time to put together a presentation. Otherwise, plan on
presenting it yourself ;)

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[Lubuntu-admins] UOS presentation

[Walter Lapchynski]

let me know if you guys see anything wrong with this:
https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~wxl/+junk/uos/view/head:/lubuntu_presentation-uos1411.odp

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Re: [Lubuntu-admins] Shake ups

[Walter Lapchynski]

I think this is something worth discussing in our own community before we
decide to post something.

My thought is we need a general management to resolve issues and provide
resources so the community can do their work (this is why we have this
group).

General management never sets the direction (read: vision) for the team.
Usually there's an executive level of management that is not focused on
expediting and facilitation that can work on this.

Some might call this bureaucracy, but if it includes input from the team
and community seriously (in other words, it seriously considers everything
and publishes logical public responses to all issues), then it works.

I perceive the issue to be that people are concerned that Canonical does
not perform their executive role in an open manner. Yet I've never heard
anyone really push the point that they don't want to work with the cloud,
or the phone, or Unity. There's rumbling, but where are the petitions or
protests?

If we demand change and Canonical does refuse to listen, it's time to fork
Ubuntu.

Personally, I see Canonical's moves as sensible given they are a for profit
company. I've also seen them support moves that aren't going to get them a
profit (us!).

They have relied largely on the community to create the vision for these
non-profit products, but the current vision isn't really a problem. If we
keep doing the work, that's a good thing.

The other issue may be we need different council members. There's a
solution: get your membership and exercise your voting rights.

In light of that, I'm not sure this discussion is anything more than
academic.

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On Nov 14, 2014 5:33 PM, "Phill Whiteside"  wrote:

> Possibly off-topic,
>
> but, boy oh boy, has Jono thrown a hand grenade in. He's waited long
> enough to voice his frustrations that I think caused him to leave ubuntu..
>
> http://www.jonobacon.org/2014/11/14/ubuntu-governance-reboot/
>
> One thing about Jono is that he is extremely eloquent. As TL's  please do
> engage in the discussion that has been started.
>
> Regards,
>
> Phill.
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Re: [Lubuntu-admins] Shake ups

[Walter Lapchynski]

I'd be down with that. We should bring that up in the discussion.

On 11/15/14, Svetlana Belkin  wrote:
> On 11/15/2014 02:04 PM, Walter Lapchynski wrote:
>> The other issue may be we need different council members. There's a
>> solution: get your membership and exercise your voting rights.
>
> We may or we need to kick start the Ubuntu Leadership team and create
> new leaders to move things forward.
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[Lubuntu-admins] policing OSDisc.com & offering CDs

[Walter Lapchynski]

I'm not sure all of you have Failbook, but if you look here:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/lubuntu.official/permalink/791789804211175/
You'll see that someone purchased a Lubuntu 14.10 disc from OSDisc.com
that appears to be an old pre-release. It doesn't work and is
basically non-functional.

The OP says he's bought CDs from these guys for years and has never
had a problem, so I guess we'll see what happens. I do believe we
should keep an eye on this and maybe work with them to do an audit. If
they're providing non-release images, that's a problem that we need to
stop in its tracks.

The other thing is that this has me thinking about us providing our
own CDs. It's possible to get bit-by-bit labeled CDs with jewel cases,
tray art, and 2-panel insert from kunaki.com for a mere $1. They can
set up a retail website where people can make purchases. We could set
up the PayPal account to be that of linux.com or Open Source Alliance
or something similar. There's also a general fund I know Ubuntu has
where the money goes to help LoCos. It's only $1 a CD anyways. Oh, and
they do DVDs, too. This way we actually have control over the process.

The only problem with Kunaki is that the software for uploading art
and data is Windows-only. I have an old XP install in a virtual
machine that I use for the purpose. If time is not an issue, you can
mail the information to them.

Thoughts?

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Re: [Lubuntu-admins] Fwd: [Lubuntu Official] Hi, http://pootle.lxde.org/ (translations for...

[Walter Lapchynski]

tl;dr there's a problem with pootle.lxde.org

what do we do? nothing. if someone's in touch with pcmanfm, tell him about
it. otherwise, upstreams are outside our control.

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Re: [Lubuntu-admins] [Lubuntu-qa] Community Council catchup - Lubuntu

[Walter Lapchynski]

Thanks for this, Elfy. We just started a new "admin" Team so future
emails on this or similar subjects can go there:
https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-admins

I've included the mailing list in this message, so they now know.
Meanwhile, I'm updating my calendar. :)

btw, happy Ubuntu Community Appreciation Day— to all of you! :)

wxl

On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 10:13 AM, Elfy  wrote:
> On 24/10/14 16:46, Elfy wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> The Community Council is scheduling meetings over the next cycle with the
>> various teams, councils and boards in the Ubuntu community.
>>
>> The  meeting with Lubuntu is scheduled for 4th December  @ 17:00UTC.
>>
>> For more information, please see our Agenda[1] page on the wiki.
>>
>>
>> regards
>>
>> Elfy
>>
>> [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
>>
> Hi,
>
> We'd like to postpone this meeting until the 2nd April.
>
> There's been discussion going on at the community-team-list with regard to
> Governance. [1]
>
> We would have fitted a session in for that on the 27th November but that's a
> holiday in the US.
>
> The next available slot being the one we had scheduled with you.
>
> Sorry for the inconvenience.
>
> regards
>
>
> [1]
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-community-team/2014-November/thread.html
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Re: [Lubuntu-admins] Fwd: [Lubuntu Official] Hi, http://pootle.lxde.org/ (translations for...

[Walter Lapchynski]

> On 20 November 2014 15:36, Walter Lapchynski  wrote:
>> tl;dr there's a problem with pootle.lxde.org

On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 8:44 AM, Phill Whiteside  wrote:
> do we have a contact name for LXDE?

https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lxde-i18n is supposedly
the official mailing list for the translation project.

there's also:
http://lxde.org/contact

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Re: [Lubuntu-admins] Fwd: Marketing & Communication challenge

[Walter Lapchynski]

I hate to be so brief, but +1 on all fronts. this is good stuff.

> Well, first of all, I'd like to add that people will not look for Rafael's
> blog unless it is mentioned somewhere.

This is probably the biggest suggestion there is. The wiki is usually
where people go to to find about Lubuntu and the blog isn't mentioned
anywhere.

> it could be interesting adding a small
> text mentioning that you can run other Linux applications, like Libre Office
> as an alternative to those pre-installed.

Further elaborating on "Lubuntu is Ubuntu" might be useful here. This
is a good suggestion.

> If our aim is to attract users from Windows computers, then having a section
> that could compare Windows and Lubuntu would be a great addition to the
> Ubuntu vs Lubuntu part.

Can't say I don't agree here. It might be useful to approach it from
the perspective of how XP and Lubuntu are alike and how different 7 is
from XP.

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[Lubuntu-admins] URGENT testing help needed for Lubuntu Vivid Vervet 15.04 Alpha 1 due tomorrow!!

[Walter Lapchynski]

I announced yesterday that milestone testing has begun for the Alpha 1
release of Lubuntu's Vivid Vervet 15.04. I had at least a couple tests
done (thank you everyone!) but they have all been invalidated due to
an error on the part of the release team.

That being said, I ask you all to help out and at least do one test
case. This can be completely done in a virtual machine like KVM,
VirtualBox, VMWare, etc., so you don't need to replace your system.
Best of all, assuming you have enough memory, you can let the process
run while you do other things with your regular system. The process is
simple:

1. go to the ISO tracker¹
2. click on the desired combination of architecture and type (e.g.
Lubuntu Desktop amd64)
3. click on one of the testcases
4. download the linked ISO
5. boot it up
6. perform the testcase
7. provide your results in the form at bottom

I'll try to see if I can't find some time to help out on i386 but I'm
not currently running amd64, so I would really appreciate it if folks
coule help out there.

For more information on what testing is and what the process is like,
see the wiki page². If need be, I'm always available for an email or
IRC.

Please spread the word on this so we can get this milestone release
out. Thank you!

wxl

¹ http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/328/builds
² https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing

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[Lubuntu-admins] /r/Lubuntu

[Walter Lapchynski]

You guys may or may not have known that we have a subreddit for Lubuntu:
https://reddit.com/r/Lubuntu

This has been primarily moderated by Ben "flazer" Flazer (say hi,
Ben!). I reached out to him and we have now made the subreddit an
official channel for Lubuntu, with him being the official
administrator. He also made me a mod.

I asked Rafael to make us some new artwork, including some flair, so
that's coming down the pike.

Looking over old moderator messages, I see a lot of discussion about
bringing energy back into the subreddit. Indeed, there's not a heavy
flood of posts. That being said, I encourage you all to get on there
and post links and help answer issues.

What I was really surprised at given this is how much traffic we're getting:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9QBboKZR1LCaEUtcWhLdWlCdlE/view?usp=sharing
With that in mind, a little content goes a long way!!!

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[Lubuntu-admins] new ppa for stable updates?

[Walter Lapchynski]

Julien,

Is this for real? What's the logic here?
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/05/lubuntu-lts-ppa-for-new-apps-stable-fans

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Re: [Lubuntu-admins] new ppa for stable updates?

[Walter Lapchynski]

Well this must be new to me. ;) I see the mention of trying to push
updates to the standard repos as possible. What update to our LTS
would need to go in a PPA and not in the standard repos?

On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 9:34 AM, Rafael Laguna  wrote:
> Yes, it is. But this is an old discussion (specially in the mailing lists).
> Nobody understands the Stage, LTS and standard PPAs difference.

> On 26 December 2014 at 18:31, Walter Lapchynski  wrote:
>> Julien,
>> Is this for real? What's the logic here?
>> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/05/lubuntu-lts-ppa-for-new-apps-stable-fans

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Re: [Lubuntu-admins] new ppa for stable updates?

[Walter Lapchynski]

Yep. Sure seems strange that we haven't discussed this before. Or we did? Or… ?

On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 2:28 PM, Harry Silverlion
 wrote:
> Folks I'm seeing a serious issue here.
> OmgUbuntu has a lot of fans in the www.
>
> In my opinion we should a address this in a statement mentioning our current
> status of development.
>
> That way we might have it easier to answer the upcoming questions about
> whether LXqt is going to make it in 15.04 or not.
>
> And depending on the response I'm thinking of expanding it to a monthly or
> bi-monthly update to let our users participate in our efforts and creating
> more traffic towards our main website.
>
> Please let me know what u think!



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[Lubuntu-admins] Find-A-Task

[Walter Lapchynski]

If you guys haven't seen Find-A-Task¹, you should check it out since
it offers an opportunity to more readily organize our available
opportunities for contribution. There are instructions² on how to set
it up for individual teams and I was wondering if anyone might want to
take on the herculean task of re-organize all our info.

¹ http://community.ubuntu.com/contribute/find-a-task
² 
http://cheesehead-techblog.blogspot.com/2015/01/introducing-ubuntu-find-task.html

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Re: [Lubuntu-admins] Find-A-Task

[Walter Lapchynski]

Great idea! I'll get him right on it ;)

On 1/18/15, SilverLion  wrote:
> I think - since he did such an amazing job with our wiki - gsilvapt
> might be the right choice.
>
> Am 18.01.2015 um 07:20 schrieb Walter Lapchynski:
>> If you guys haven't seen Find-A-Task¹, you should check it out
>> since it offers an opportunity to more readily organize our
>> available opportunities for contribution. There are instructions²
>> on how to set it up for individual teams and I was wondering if
>> anyone might want to take on the herculean task of re-organize all
>> our info.
>>
>> ¹ http://community.ubuntu.com/contribute/find-a-task ²
>> http://cheesehead-techblog.blogspot.com/2015/01/introducing-ubuntu-find-task.html
>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-admins] Preparation of a Lubuntu Statement

[Walter Lapchynski]

i've got all sorts of problems with 14.04.2 right now. i don't think
we're going to be able to make the release unless we get a major
[bug][] figured out. that being said, i'll need some time with this.

[bug]: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/1417784

On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 4:13 PM, Gustavo Silva
 wrote:
> If this goes through, please let me know by the end of the week and I'll
> assign my share of tasks to the team and will take care of that asap.
>
> In my opinion, it is a +1 for this.
>
> 2015-02-04 23:08 GMT+00:00 Silver Lion :
>>
>> Hey there folks!
>> I've been asked by wxl and phillw to put together a draft for what's
>> needed in my personal opinion to prepare a proper Public-Relations of
>> Lubuntu.
>>
>> First of all: in Public-Relations it's crucial to be “the first” on the
>> market. Meaning: The earlier we start putting our announcement together
>> the sooner we're on the screens of online media and other interested
>> parties like LoCos.
>>
>> That's why we should start very early in the process to gather
>> informations etc.
>> Because the earlier we start, the less we've got to do on release day...
>>
>> I've prepared a list and divided it in 5 chapters. In each “chapter”
>> I've written some questions to give you in overview what might be
>> interesting and necessary for me to prepare the statement at the end.
>>
>> #
>> 1. Feature – Definition – Freeze
>> (a) What's going to be new in the upcoming release?
>> (b) What kind of updates are we doing?
>> (c) Are we changing anything special? (for example: change of the DE →
>> LXQt?)
>> (d) Are we planning anything special like a contest for wallpapers etc.?
>> (e) What will be our main goal for this release?
>> 2. Feature-Freeze
>> (a) “Half-Time”-Report: How are things going? Anything unexpected during
>> the latest period?
>> (b) The Updates we planned to include: Are they all going to come? If
>> not → Why not?!
>> 3. Final Beta Freeze (1 Month PRIOR to Release Day!!!)
>> (a) Statement by Release-Manager & Head of Dev: Did everything go as
>> expected?
>> (b) Did we have to skip any planned things from #1?
>> (c) What's the latest “news” about the release?
>> (d) What can users expect from this release we're talking about?
>>
>> 4. One Week before Release
>> (a) Prepare wiki-page for online and offline press-statement¹
>> (b) copy prepared announcement into wiki-area (which need to be prepared
>> by wiki team!)
>> (c) upload PDF for LoCos and other interested parties to download
>>
>> 5. At Release Day
>> (a) Let prepared wiki-page (from task 4a) go “live”
>> (b) link to it via social media (Twitter, Facebook Page, Facebook Group,
>> G+ Community)
>>
>> ###
>>
>> Please let me know if anything else is needed your you've got any
>> further questions on that subject.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Silver!
>>
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[Lubuntu-admins] heads up: 14.04.2 delayed until Thu 19 Feb

[Walter Lapchynski]

You may want to tell the world before they start freaking out :)
https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-qa/msg04905.html

Note, this does apply to the whole Ubuntu family.

Note for us the big issue is in having missing/additional packages
than we should have.

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[Walter Lapchynski]

Blueprint changed by Walter Lapchynski:

Whiteboard changed:
  [wxl] It looks like 14.04.2 is facing some issues that will likely
  result in Alternate not being released for this milestone. The issues
  that affect Desktop affect everyone, so the Release Team must fix these.
  If the same fix doesn't apply to Alternates, though, that creates a
  problem. The Team will still attempt to fix it, but there's no
  guarantees. At least with LTS images for folks using Alternate, the HWE
  stack is probably not necessary, but it illustrates the problem.
  
- Two possible solutions were discussed with Adam Conrad (infinity)
-  1. netboot/mini.iso (which, of course, requires an Internet connection and 
that may be asking a lot)
-  2. Changing `ubiquity` somehow to minimize resource usage. As an example, 
making a text-only frontend, but making it part of the project, rather than 
something separate. Perhaps we could get Server to help out here? Perhaps other 
flavors would be interested?
+ Two possible solutions were discussed with Adam Conrad (infinity):
+  1. netboot/mini.iso (which, of course, requires an Internet connection and 
that may be asking a lot)
+  2. Changing `ubiquity` somehow to minimize resource usage. As an example, 
making a text-only frontend, but making it part of the project, rather than 
something separate. Perhaps we could get Server to help out here? Perhaps other 
flavors would be interested?
+ 
+ [wxl] gilir (if I may speak for him after we had a private message) is
+ in support of this cause. He feels `ubiquity` is a very complex piece of
+ software and would rather not touch it, so that leaves us with
+ netboot/mini.iso.
+ 
+ It seems that the issue with LTS is that there is this transition from
+ tasks to metapackages for X. Changes to tasks don't get picked up on
+ after release, so metapackages are ultimately the go to solution. Still,
+ tasks have their value, so the future is uncertain, but we'll likely
+ continue to have these problems in the future. This cannot be fixed the
+ same way in desktop as it can in alternate. There's no need to fix it in
+ server because they don't have X packages.
+ 
+ So for 14.04.2, we will likely not have any alternates. My concern is
+ that we'll continue to face this over and over again: wasted testing
+ time trying to fix something that only we care about.
+ 
+ On the other hand, mini.iso is not without it's issues:
+  1. An internet connection is required. In the 3rd world, a decent internet 
connection is a luxury, and yet that is likely where Lubuntu is most needed for 
old machines.
+  2. It's terribly unfriendly. Imagine the people that would need it the most. 
They're the folks with an old XP machine that needs some love. They've never 
used Linux before. Yeah, they're probably not going to have a fun time.
+  3. Ethernet only.
+  4. It's possible to build a broken install.
+ 
+ These are not small issues. In a sense, these are almost worse. So
+ perhaps we deal with occasionally not having alternates. If it's going
+ to be an issue, it's likely to be with LTS point releases, and there are
+ solutions around that. They result in long update times, but that seems
+ like a much smaller price to pay.

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Blueprint changed by Walter Lapchynski:

Whiteboard changed:
  [wxl] It looks like 14.04.2 is facing some issues that will likely
  result in Alternate not being released for this milestone. The issues
  that affect Desktop affect everyone, so the Release Team must fix these.
  If the same fix doesn't apply to Alternates, though, that creates a
  problem. The Team will still attempt to fix it, but there's no
  guarantees. At least with LTS images for folks using Alternate, the HWE
  stack is probably not necessary, but it illustrates the problem.
  
  Two possible solutions were discussed with Adam Conrad (infinity):
   1. netboot/mini.iso (which, of course, requires an Internet connection and 
that may be asking a lot)
   2. Changing `ubiquity` somehow to minimize resource usage. As an example, 
making a text-only frontend, but making it part of the project, rather than 
something separate. Perhaps we could get Server to help out here? Perhaps other 
flavors would be interested?
  
  [wxl] gilir (if I may speak for him after we had a private message) is
  in support of this cause. He feels `ubiquity` is a very complex piece of
  software and would rather not touch it, so that leaves us with
  netboot/mini.iso.
  
  It seems that the issue with LTS is that there is this transition from
  tasks to metapackages for X. Changes to tasks don't get picked up on
  after release, so metapackages are ultimately the go to solution. Still,
  tasks have their value, so the future is uncertain, but we'll likely
  continue to have these problems in the future. This cannot be fixed the
  same way in desktop as it can in alternate. There's no need to fix it in
  server because they don't have X packages.
  
  So for 14.04.2, we will likely not have any alternates. My concern is
  that we'll continue to face this over and over again: wasted testing
  time trying to fix something that only we care about.
  
  On the other hand, mini.iso is not without it's issues:
-  1. An internet connection is required. In the 3rd world, a decent internet 
connection is a luxury, and yet that is likely where Lubuntu is most needed for 
old machines.
-  2. It's terribly unfriendly. Imagine the people that would need it the most. 
They're the folks with an old XP machine that needs some love. They've never 
used Linux before. Yeah, they're probably not going to have a fun time.
-  3. Ethernet only.
-  4. It's possible to build a broken install.
+  1. An internet connection is required. In the 3rd world, a decent internet 
connection is a luxury, and yet that is likely where Lubuntu is most needed for 
old machines.
+  2. It's terribly unfriendly. Imagine the people that would need it the most. 
They're the folks with an old XP machine that needs some love. They've never 
used Linux before. Yeah, they're probably not going to have a fun time.
+  3. Ethernet only.
+  4. It's possible to build a broken install.
  
  These are not small issues. In a sense, these are almost worse. So
  perhaps we deal with occasionally not having alternates. If it's going
  to be an issue, it's likely to be with LTS point releases, and there are
  solutions around that. They result in long update times, but that seems
  like a much smaller price to pay.
+ 
+ What we really need to do is change `ubiquity`, but i'm not sure that we
+ can get help from the Server Team, other flavors, etc.1

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Blueprint changed by Walter Lapchynski:

Whiteboard changed:
  [wxl] It looks like 14.04.2 is facing some issues that will likely
  result in Alternate not being released for this milestone. The issues
  that affect Desktop affect everyone, so the Release Team must fix these.
  If the same fix doesn't apply to Alternates, though, that creates a
  problem. The Team will still attempt to fix it, but there's no
  guarantees. At least with LTS images for folks using Alternate, the HWE
  stack is probably not necessary, but it illustrates the problem.
  
  Two possible solutions were discussed with Adam Conrad (infinity):
   1. netboot/mini.iso (which, of course, requires an Internet connection and 
that may be asking a lot)
   2. Changing `ubiquity` somehow to minimize resource usage. As an example, 
making a text-only frontend, but making it part of the project, rather than 
something separate. Perhaps we could get Server to help out here? Perhaps other 
flavors would be interested?
  
  [wxl] gilir (if I may speak for him after we had a private message) is
  in support of this cause. He feels `ubiquity` is a very complex piece of
  software and would rather not touch it, so that leaves us with
  netboot/mini.iso.
  
  It seems that the issue with LTS is that there is this transition from
  tasks to metapackages for X. Changes to tasks don't get picked up on
  after release, so metapackages are ultimately the go to solution. Still,
  tasks have their value, so the future is uncertain, but we'll likely
  continue to have these problems in the future. This cannot be fixed the
  same way in desktop as it can in alternate. There's no need to fix it in
  server because they don't have X packages.
  
  So for 14.04.2, we will likely not have any alternates. My concern is
  that we'll continue to face this over and over again: wasted testing
  time trying to fix something that only we care about.
  
  On the other hand, mini.iso is not without it's issues:
   1. An internet connection is required. In the 3rd world, a decent internet 
connection is a luxury, and yet that is likely where Lubuntu is most needed for 
old machines.
   2. It's terribly unfriendly. Imagine the people that would need it the most. 
They're the folks with an old XP machine that needs some love. They've never 
used Linux before. Yeah, they're probably not going to have a fun time.
   3. Ethernet only.
   4. It's possible to build a broken install.
  
  These are not small issues. In a sense, these are almost worse. So
  perhaps we deal with occasionally not having alternates. If it's going
  to be an issue, it's likely to be with LTS point releases, and there are
  solutions around that. They result in long update times, but that seems
  like a much smaller price to pay.
  
  What we really need to do is change `ubiquity`, but i'm not sure that we
- can get help from the Server Team, other flavors, etc.1
+ can get help from the Server Team, other flavors, etc.

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Priority: High => Not

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Re: [Lubuntu-admins] Preparation of a Lubuntu Statement

[Walter Lapchynski]

+1 from me on this at long last. I'd like to get this implemented ASAP
(14.04.2 is due in a few hours). I see no reason to not implement
this. Streamlining our process and making standard operating
procedures are required for the fluid nature of our teams.

I'll send a separate email to Comms to answer these questions for
14.04.2. Perhaps it would be good to have
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VERSION/ReleaseAnnouncement/Lubuntu ??? We
will have LTS and non-LTS versions at the same time so we need to be
specific about the version.

P.S. I love the mention of specific dates, especially ones that match
the release schedule. We should implement this at
[PrePostReleaseTODO][], too.

[PrePostReleaseTODO]:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers/PrePostReleaseTODO

On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Gustavo Silva
 wrote:
> As part of my duties, and as requested, here are the pages to add content
> previous to the release date.
> I will transform that page into its official form on the release day -
> therefore, without the +1 - and leave that one for drafting purposes.
>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ReleaseAnnouncement+1
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/ReleaseAnnouncement+1
>
> If you have any odt draft you can send to me so that I can publish it to
> both wikis, I'd appreciate it.
> Let me know if there's anything I can do for you in regard to this task
>
> 2015-02-05 0:49 GMT+00:00 Walter Lapchynski :
>>
>> i've got all sorts of problems with 14.04.2 right now. i don't think
>> we're going to be able to make the release unless we get a major
>> [bug][] figured out. that being said, i'll need some time with this.
>>
>> [bug]: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/1417784
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 4:13 PM, Gustavo Silva
>>  wrote:
>> > If this goes through, please let me know by the end of the week and I'll
>> > assign my share of tasks to the team and will take care of that asap.
>> >
>> > In my opinion, it is a +1 for this.
>> >
>> > 2015-02-04 23:08 GMT+00:00 Silver Lion :
>> >>
>> >> Hey there folks!
>> >> I've been asked by wxl and phillw to put together a draft for what's
>> >> needed in my personal opinion to prepare a proper Public-Relations of
>> >> Lubuntu.
>> >>
>> >> First of all: in Public-Relations it's crucial to be “the first” on the
>> >> market. Meaning: The earlier we start putting our announcement together
>> >> the sooner we're on the screens of online media and other interested
>> >> parties like LoCos.
>> >>
>> >> That's why we should start very early in the process to gather
>> >> informations etc.
>> >> Because the earlier we start, the less we've got to do on release
>> >> day...
>> >>
>> >> I've prepared a list and divided it in 5 chapters. In each “chapter”
>> >> I've written some questions to give you in overview what might be
>> >> interesting and necessary for me to prepare the statement at the end.
>> >>
>> >> #
>> >> 1. Feature – Definition – Freeze
>> >> (a) What's going to be new in the upcoming release?
>> >> (b) What kind of updates are we doing?
>> >> (c) Are we changing anything special? (for example: change of the DE →
>> >> LXQt?)
>> >> (d) Are we planning anything special like a contest for wallpapers
>> >> etc.?
>> >> (e) What will be our main goal for this release?
>> >> 2. Feature-Freeze
>> >> (a) “Half-Time”-Report: How are things going? Anything unexpected
>> >> during
>> >> the latest period?
>> >> (b) The Updates we planned to include: Are they all going to come? If
>> >> not → Why not?!
>> >> 3. Final Beta Freeze (1 Month PRIOR to Release Day!!!)
>> >> (a) Statement by Release-Manager & Head of Dev: Did everything go as
>> >> expected?
>> >> (b) Did we have to skip any planned things from #1?
>> >> (c) What's the latest “news” about the release?
>> >> (d) What can users expect from this release we're talking about?
>> >>
>> >> 4. One Week before Release
>> >> (a) Prepare wiki-page for online and offline press-statement¹
>> >> (b) copy prepared announcement into wiki-area (which need to be
>> >> prepared
>> >> by wiki team!)
>> >> (c) upload PD

[Lubuntu-admins] [Blueprint one-iso-to-rule-them-all] One ISO To Rule Them All

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Definition Status: Obsolete => Discussion

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Blueprint changed by Walter Lapchynski:

Whiteboard changed:
  [wxl] It looks like 14.04.2 is facing some issues that will likely
  result in Alternate not being released for this milestone. The issues
  that affect Desktop affect everyone, so the Release Team must fix these.
  If the same fix doesn't apply to Alternates, though, that creates a
  problem. The Team will still attempt to fix it, but there's no
  guarantees. At least with LTS images for folks using Alternate, the HWE
  stack is probably not necessary, but it illustrates the problem.
  
  Two possible solutions were discussed with Adam Conrad (infinity):
   1. netboot/mini.iso (which, of course, requires an Internet connection and 
that may be asking a lot)
   2. Changing `ubiquity` somehow to minimize resource usage. As an example, 
making a text-only frontend, but making it part of the project, rather than 
something separate. Perhaps we could get Server to help out here? Perhaps other 
flavors would be interested?
  
  [wxl] gilir (if I may speak for him after we had a private message) is
  in support of this cause. He feels `ubiquity` is a very complex piece of
  software and would rather not touch it, so that leaves us with
  netboot/mini.iso.
  
  It seems that the issue with LTS is that there is this transition from
  tasks to metapackages for X. Changes to tasks don't get picked up on
  after release, so metapackages are ultimately the go to solution. Still,
  tasks have their value, so the future is uncertain, but we'll likely
  continue to have these problems in the future. This cannot be fixed the
  same way in desktop as it can in alternate. There's no need to fix it in
  server because they don't have X packages.
  
  So for 14.04.2, we will likely not have any alternates. My concern is
  that we'll continue to face this over and over again: wasted testing
  time trying to fix something that only we care about.
  
  On the other hand, mini.iso is not without it's issues:
   1. An internet connection is required. In the 3rd world, a decent internet 
connection is a luxury, and yet that is likely where Lubuntu is most needed for 
old machines.
   2. It's terribly unfriendly. Imagine the people that would need it the most. 
They're the folks with an old XP machine that needs some love. They've never 
used Linux before. Yeah, they're probably not going to have a fun time.
   3. Ethernet only.
   4. It's possible to build a broken install.
  
  These are not small issues. In a sense, these are almost worse. So
  perhaps we deal with occasionally not having alternates. If it's going
  to be an issue, it's likely to be with LTS point releases, and there are
  solutions around that. They result in long update times, but that seems
  like a much smaller price to pay.
  
  What we really need to do is change `ubiquity`, but i'm not sure that we
  can get help from the Server Team, other flavors, etc.
+ 
+ [wxl] I've reopened this to be the place for a lightweight `ubiquity`.
+ 
+ One Button Installer has been presented, but I think that suffers the
+ same problems as all of the others and is probably the most non-standard
+ and user-unfriendly.

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Work items set to:
Work items:
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Blueprint changed by Walter Lapchynski:

Whiteboard changed:
  [wxl] It looks like 14.04.2 is facing some issues that will likely
  result in Alternate not being released for this milestone. The issues
  that affect Desktop affect everyone, so the Release Team must fix these.
  If the same fix doesn't apply to Alternates, though, that creates a
  problem. The Team will still attempt to fix it, but there's no
  guarantees. At least with LTS images for folks using Alternate, the HWE
  stack is probably not necessary, but it illustrates the problem.
  
  Two possible solutions were discussed with Adam Conrad (infinity):
   1. netboot/mini.iso (which, of course, requires an Internet connection and 
that may be asking a lot)
   2. Changing `ubiquity` somehow to minimize resource usage. As an example, 
making a text-only frontend, but making it part of the project, rather than 
something separate. Perhaps we could get Server to help out here? Perhaps other 
flavors would be interested?
  
  [wxl] gilir (if I may speak for him after we had a private message) is
  in support of this cause. He feels `ubiquity` is a very complex piece of
  software and would rather not touch it, so that leaves us with
  netboot/mini.iso.
  
  It seems that the issue with LTS is that there is this transition from
  tasks to metapackages for X. Changes to tasks don't get picked up on
  after release, so metapackages are ultimately the go to solution. Still,
  tasks have their value, so the future is uncertain, but we'll likely
  continue to have these problems in the future. This cannot be fixed the
  same way in desktop as it can in alternate. There's no need to fix it in
  server because they don't have X packages.
  
  So for 14.04.2, we will likely not have any alternates. My concern is
  that we'll continue to face this over and over again: wasted testing
  time trying to fix something that only we care about.
  
  On the other hand, mini.iso is not without it's issues:
   1. An internet connection is required. In the 3rd world, a decent internet 
connection is a luxury, and yet that is likely where Lubuntu is most needed for 
old machines.
   2. It's terribly unfriendly. Imagine the people that would need it the most. 
They're the folks with an old XP machine that needs some love. They've never 
used Linux before. Yeah, they're probably not going to have a fun time.
   3. Ethernet only.
   4. It's possible to build a broken install.
  
  These are not small issues. In a sense, these are almost worse. So
  perhaps we deal with occasionally not having alternates. If it's going
  to be an issue, it's likely to be with LTS point releases, and there are
  solutions around that. They result in long update times, but that seems
  like a much smaller price to pay.
  
  What we really need to do is change `ubiquity`, but i'm not sure that we
  can get help from the Server Team, other flavors, etc.
  
  [wxl] I've reopened this to be the place for a lightweight `ubiquity`.
  
  One Button Installer has been presented, but I think that suffers the
  same problems as all of the others and is probably the most non-standard
  and user-unfriendly.
  
  [joern-schoenyan] There is an installer called Calamares, which is
  designed to work independent of the distribution. Unfortunately, I'm not
  able to package (and then, test) it - I tried it, but there were issues
  with the partitionmanager plugin I could not resolve.
+ 
+ [wxl] My concern with Calamares is that it's even less standard than
+ anything else. That and, if it already has issues, that's going on the
+ wrong direction :)

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Re: [Lubuntu-admins] [Lubuntu-wiki-docs] Lubuntu's Wiki Restructuration

[Walter Lapchynski]

+1 to all. I do think that having one location that we can go to in order
to find internal documents would be great. I do think that silverlion
already set up a page for press releases so you may want to check with him.

On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 2:50 PM, Gustavo Silva <
gustavosantaremsi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I apologize for my delay in proposing an actual change to our current wiki
> structure. However, life hasn't been easy on me.
>
> Anyway, to more important matters:
> I have organized our Wiki in a tree-sort of file. Please see attach if you
> ever need it.​
>  Wiki Map - Current
> 
> ​
> Our Wikis are both very similar and I am not going to refer to it in terms
> of content. However, I do have to mention that most of the information is
> slightly lost since people are using it to put important information for
> the groups. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers/ is a good
> example. That page, instead of being something about the Developers team -
> as it should be - is an internal road map of duties and tasks.
> Therefore, here is a short list of changes for our Wiki (I will mention
> the Community wiki too):
>
> - First, check if any team page is consistent with its purpose. So, if we
> need pages for each team, we will create. Otherwise, it makes no sense to
> forward people to Team pages but, instead, they'll find internal
> information - Like the case of Lubuntu/Developers;
>
> - Update each team pages in regard to leaders/coordinators;
>
> - Create a particular section for internal purposes - Take the content
> from Lubuntu/Developers, divide into each team and post into a specific
> page. Something like Lubuntu/Internal. If this part goes upfront, I believe
> it would be wise to make everything even better. For instance, there was no
> road map for point releases. So, in 14.02, it was a complete mess as the
> Wiki team was not aware of what it was suppose to do. I've created that
> page and it will be included very soon (needs revision);
>
> - I'm proposing to create a page for the Admin Team. I am not sure why it
> was never created before, but I assume there is a reason for that.
>
> - I'm also proposing to create a sort-of Press Page (something like
> wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Press) so that we can use the content from the
> Marketing & Artwork pages. Once again, these pages should be about the
> teams, and not tasks developed.
>
> - In regard to the Wiki from the Community, I am going to propose to keep
> the same structure and phrasing from the "official" wiki, avoiding future
> confusions in one's head. The Community Wiki as a completely different
> style of writing. Not saying that it is wrong, but it can cause confusion.
> Also, external linking will remain the same, since most of these go to
> Ubuntu's Wiki.
>
> And that should be it for now. I sent this message to all of you, to make
> sure everybody agrees with this structure since this will change a lot of
> things around.
> Thank you for your time reading and I apologize for the huge wall of text.
>
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>
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Re: [Lubuntu-admins] Preparation of a Lubuntu Statement

[Walter Lapchynski]

Well here's the problem I face: I cannot know any sooner than Tuesday
before release (Thursday) what the state of the images are. In fact,
sometimes (14.04.2) I don't even know until day of release

I could try to make sure testing is done on dailies a week before, but
I still won't be able to say anything definite because there's lots of
opportunity for changes while we wait. The images are frozen come
Tuesday.

At least for non-release milestones, that's the case. Beyond that, it
shouldn't be too difficult.

I hope you can understand.


On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 2:52 PM, Silver Lion  wrote:
> Good evening folks,
>
> Finally I was able to fullfill wxl's request to get my task-list (seen here
> below as text version) onto the wiki =>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/silverlion/PressTemplate
>
> I'll also be working on a draft for an offline version for the announcement
> of 15.04.
>
> I'd like QA & Wiki / Docs to consider this list (link see above) as
> effective as of now.
>
> @Wiki & Docs: Please copy this link above to the appropriate places and have
> the mentioned pages in the wiki ready for me asap.
>
> @wxl: I'd appreciate it if you could update the questionaire not only one
> day prior to release. We (aka comms) need to have time to prepare everything
> so _1 Week_ prior to release everything must be ready for us in order to
> look professional.
>
> Thanks in advance to everybody for your attention ;)
>
> Silver
>
> Am 05.02.2015 um 01:13 schrieb Gustavo Silva:
>>
>> If this goes through, please let me know by the end of the week and I'll
>> assign my share of tasks to the team and will take care of that asap.
>>
>> In my opinion, it is a +1 for this.
>>
>> 2015-02-04 23:08 GMT+00:00 Silver Lion :
>>
>>> Hey there folks!
>>> I've been asked by wxl and phillw to put together a draft for what's
>>> needed in my personal opinion to prepare a proper Public-Relations of
>>> Lubuntu.
>>>
>>> First of all: in Public-Relations it's crucial to be “the first” on the
>>> market. Meaning: The earlier we start putting our announcement together
>>> the sooner we're on the screens of online media and other interested
>>> parties like LoCos.
>>>
>>> That's why we should start very early in the process to gather
>>> informations etc.
>>> Because the earlier we start, the less we've got to do on release day...
>>>
>>> I've prepared a list and divided it in 5 chapters. In each “chapter”
>>> I've written some questions to give you in overview what might be
>>> interesting and necessary for me to prepare the statement at the end.
>>>
>>> #
>>> 1. Feature – Definition – Freeze
>>> (a) What's going to be new in the upcoming release?
>>> (b) What kind of updates are we doing?
>>> (c) Are we changing anything special? (for example: change of the DE →
>>> LXQt?)
>>> (d) Are we planning anything special like a contest for wallpapers etc.?
>>> (e) What will be our main goal for this release?
>>> 2. Feature-Freeze
>>> (a) “Half-Time”-Report: How are things going? Anything unexpected during
>>> the latest period?
>>> (b) The Updates we planned to include: Are they all going to come? If
>>> not → Why not?!
>>> 3. Final Beta Freeze (1 Month PRIOR to Release Day!!!)
>>> (a) Statement by Release-Manager & Head of Dev: Did everything go as
>>> expected?
>>> (b) Did we have to skip any planned things from #1?
>>> (c) What's the latest “news” about the release?
>>> (d) What can users expect from this release we're talking about?
>>>
>>> 4. One Week before Release
>>> (a) Prepare wiki-page for online and offline press-statement¹
>>> (b) copy prepared announcement into wiki-area (which need to be prepared
>>> by wiki team!)
>>> (c) upload PDF for LoCos and other interested parties to download
>>>
>>> 5. At Release Day
>>> (a) Let prepared wiki-page (from task 4a) go “live”
>>> (b) link to it via social media (Twitter, Facebook Page, Facebook Group,
>>> G+ Community)
>>>
>>> ###
>>>
>>> Please let me know if anything else is needed your you've got any
>>> further questions on that subject.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Silver!
>>>
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>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-admins] Preparation of a Lubuntu Statement

[Walter Lapchynski]

Since you intend this for major releases only, I can't see why it
would be a terrible problem, but there still may need to be some
cleanup at the last minute. Little trifles and such.

On 2/25/15, Silver Lion  wrote:
> That's going to be a problem because I never know exactly how my office
> hours work pend out... That's why I asked for a little more time for
> preparation... Honestly speaking I hate to knitt everything with a hot
> needle (german saying for doing everything very short before it's going
> to be too late ;) )
>
> But why don't we check the workflows after 15.04 has been released? then
> we've got a little more time to re-configure if necessary.
>
> Cheers
> Silver
>
> Am 26.02.2015 um 00:29 schrieb Walter Lapchynski:
>> Well here's the problem I face: I cannot know any sooner than Tuesday
>> before release (Thursday) what the state of the images are. In fact,
>> sometimes (14.04.2) I don't even know until day of release
>>
>> I could try to make sure testing is done on dailies a week before, but
>> I still won't be able to say anything definite because there's lots of
>> opportunity for changes while we wait. The images are frozen come
>> Tuesday.
>>
>> At least for non-release milestones, that's the case. Beyond that, it
>> shouldn't be too difficult.
>>
>> I hope you can understand.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 2:52 PM, Silver Lion 
>> wrote:
>>> Good evening folks,
>>>
>>> Finally I was able to fullfill wxl's request to get my task-list (seen
>>> here
>>> below as text version) onto the wiki =>
>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/silverlion/PressTemplate
>>>
>>> I'll also be working on a draft for an offline version for the
>>> announcement
>>> of 15.04.
>>>
>>> I'd like QA & Wiki / Docs to consider this list (link see above) as
>>> effective as of now.
>>>
>>> @Wiki & Docs: Please copy this link above to the appropriate places and
>>> have
>>> the mentioned pages in the wiki ready for me asap.
>>>
>>> @wxl: I'd appreciate it if you could update the questionaire not only
>>> one
>>> day prior to release. We (aka comms) need to have time to prepare
>>> everything
>>> so _1 Week_ prior to release everything must be ready for us in order to
>>> look professional.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance to everybody for your attention ;)
>>>
>>> Silver
>>>
>>> Am 05.02.2015 um 01:13 schrieb Gustavo Silva:
>>>>
>>>> If this goes through, please let me know by the end of the week and
>>>> I'll
>>>> assign my share of tasks to the team and will take care of that asap.
>>>>
>>>> In my opinion, it is a +1 for this.
>>>>
>>>> 2015-02-04 23:08 GMT+00:00 Silver Lion :
>>>>
>>>>> Hey there folks!
>>>>> I've been asked by wxl and phillw to put together a draft for what's
>>>>> needed in my personal opinion to prepare a proper Public-Relations of
>>>>> Lubuntu.
>>>>>
>>>>> First of all: in Public-Relations it's crucial to be “the first” on
>>>>> the
>>>>> market. Meaning: The earlier we start putting our announcement
>>>>> together
>>>>> the sooner we're on the screens of online media and other interested
>>>>> parties like LoCos.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's why we should start very early in the process to gather
>>>>> informations etc.
>>>>> Because the earlier we start, the less we've got to do on release
>>>>> day...
>>>>>
>>>>> I've prepared a list and divided it in 5 chapters. In each “chapter”
>>>>> I've written some questions to give you in overview what might be
>>>>> interesting and necessary for me to prepare the statement at the end.
>>>>>
>>>>> #
>>>>> 1. Feature – Definition – Freeze
>>>>> (a) What's going to be new in the upcoming release?
>>>>> (b) What kind of updates are we doing?
>>>>> (c) Are we changing anything special? (for example: change of the DE →
>>>>> LXQt?)
>>>>> (d) Are we planning anything special like a contest for wallpapers
>>>>> etc.?
>

[Lubuntu-admins] Fwd: Announce: Vivid will switch to booting with systemd next Monday, brace for impact

[Walter Lapchynski]

Be forewarned: systemd is officially coming to Lubuntu on Vivid dailies Monday.

For those that don't know, systemd is an init system, which is to say
that it gets your operating system started. Ubuntu's been using
Upstart for quite some time now but with Debian (and tons of other
distros, including Arch, Red Hat, Fedora, Gentoo, (open)SUSE) having
switched to systemd, it's time that we make the change. This has been
coming for quite some time but it's set to be now official for just
about the entire Ubuntu family (Touch is the not-surprising exception,
but I'm sure it will be forthcoming).

That being said, please make sure that you guys start heavily testing
come Monday and make sure there are no surprises. The boss and others
have already done testing, but this was pretty much on the surface. If
you guys could dig a little bit deeper, that would be great. You can
double check that systemd is being used as init with `ps -p1`. Don't
be shocked if you have upstart processes running assuming that the
`--user` switch is being used, as using systemd for user sessions is
planned for a later date.

Beta 2 is set to ship on 26 March, so we don't have a ton of time to
deal with showstoppers if we have them. This is a FFe (Feature Freeze
exception), which is to say that normally we would not allow new
features in this late in the development cycle, so it's not a definite
thing if we catch problems early.

Please also keep an ear out for any users running Vivid that are
encountering any strange problems. This may be something we want to
quietly spread across various communication channels so that others
not on this list can be aware of it.

-- Forwarded message --
From: Martin Pitt 
Date: Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 8:56 AM
Subject: Announce: Vivid will switch to booting with systemd next
Monday, brace for impact
To: Ubuntu Development Announcements 


Hello all,

it should be no secret any more, but it'll get serious now: we will
1switch Ubuntu Vivid to boot with systemd instead of upstart. That is,
desktop, server, cloud/autopkgtests (that already happened two days
ago), and all flavors. snappy has used systemd from day one. We will
*not* switch Ubuntu Touch, however [1].

As per the feature freeze exception [2] this is scheduled to happen on
Monday. Technically, this will flip around the preferred dependency of
"init" to "systemd-sysv | upstart", which will affect new installs,
but not upgrades. Upgrades will be switched by adding "systemd-sysv"
to ubuntu-standard's dependencies.

So if you already want to do this change today, you can switch today
already if you want. If you never booted your system with systemd
before, it's advisable to do an one-time boot first. Please see

  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemdForUpstartUsers#Switching_init_systems

for details. This also explains how to move back to upstart for one
boot or permanently.

If you run into any trouble, please do file a bug (ubuntu-bug
systemd)! I'll do my best to keep up with them. Please have a look at
/usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian for some debugging tips.

Contingency plan: If after some weeks we find that there are too many
or too big regressions, we can revert to upstart by default with two
simple uploads (ubuntu-standard and init).

Thanks,

Martin

[1] This is blocked on most platforms currently running an ancient 3.4
kernel. Also, there's some porting work to do on the upstart jobs, but
that's low priority due to the former.

[2] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1427654
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[Lubuntu-admins] i need your help for 15.04's final release

[Walter Lapchynski]

I'm going to be pretty unavailable starting on the 20th, until the
30th. The release of Final Beta is the 26th. Could you help foster it
along? I especially call on Phill to take care of Release Management
duties. If that's not possible, let me know and I'll work on training
someone else before it's too late. Pretty soon
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/Beta2 should be up and we can sign
up for duties as to who is POC, etc.

I hope to finalize the Lubuntu QA t-shirt contest you all might have
heard me mention before I leave, so hopefully that will mean extra
help!!!

If there are questions, comments or concerns, please let me know.

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[Lubuntu-admins] Lubuntu Community Council catchup

[Walter Lapchynski]

Just a reminder that our scheduled time to catch up on the status of
Lubuntu with the Community Council is in approximately one hour (1700
UTC Thu 2 April 2015). You can find more on the [original message][1].
Certainly every team leader should do their darndest to attend, but it
is, of course, open to all. See you soon in #ubuntu-meeting.

[1]: https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-qa/msg04788.html

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Re: [Lubuntu-admins] Lubuntu Community Council catchup

[Walter Lapchynski]

Now delayed a bit until 1730. Come idle at #ubuntu-meeting whilst we wait! ☺

On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 9:18 AM, Walter Lapchynski  wrote:
> Just a reminder that our scheduled time to catch up on the status of
> Lubuntu with the Community Council is in approximately one hour (1700
> UTC Thu 2 April 2015). You can find more on the [original message][1].
> Certainly every team leader should do their darndest to attend, but it
> is, of course, open to all. See you soon in #ubuntu-meeting.
>
> [1]: https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-qa/msg04788.html
>
> p.s., yes, I think I have finally recovered from my vacation. ☺
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Re: [Lubuntu-admins] Lubuntu Community Council catchup

[Walter Lapchynski]

For those that are interested, here are the meeting minutes:

http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-04-02-17.31.moin.txt

On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Walter Lapchynski  wrote:
> Now delayed a bit until 1730. Come idle at #ubuntu-meeting whilst we wait! ☺
>
> On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 9:18 AM, Walter Lapchynski  wrote:
>> Just a reminder that our scheduled time to catch up on the status of
>> Lubuntu with the Community Council is in approximately one hour (1700
>> UTC Thu 2 April 2015). You can find more on the [original message][1].
>> Certainly every team leader should do their darndest to attend, but it
>> is, of course, open to all. See you soon in #ubuntu-meeting.
>>
>> [1]: https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-qa/msg04788.html
>>
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[Lubuntu-admins] Fwd: Gearing up for 15.04 image testing

[Walter Lapchynski]

The final Vivid images will be available for testing this Friday, with
release planned the Thursday thereafter. I'm off to Linux Fest North
West on release day, so I can use all the help I can get.

One of the major problems that we have going on right now is that
desktop images don't seem to boot in virtual machines. This is a
problem for testing, of course. If anyone can do bare metal testing,
that would be great.

Meanwhile, if people could add to the bug report, that would be great:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/1441843


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Date: Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 7:25 AM
Subject: Gearing up for 15.04 image testing
To: "ubuntu-qual...@lists.ubuntu.com" 


We're in the final stretch now! April 23rd will be the release date
for vivid. With that in mind I would encourage everyone to prepare for
testing the final images. The final image milestone should be created
this Friday April 17th in preparation. The release team will continue
testing and iterating on this image until release. Please plan to test
this image and take part in verifying it for release. While you are
testing, don't forget about your favorite flavors of ubuntu who can
also use your help and testing expertise. Thanks and happy testing!

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Re: [Lubuntu-admins] [Lubuntu-qa] Fwd: Gearing up for 15.04 image testing

[Walter Lapchynski]

> Den 2015-04-13 20:06, Walter Lapchynski skrev:
>> One of the major problems that we have going on right now is that
>> desktop images don't seem to boot in virtual machines. This is a
>> problem for testing, of course. If anyone can do bare metal testing,
>> that would be great.
>> Meanwhile, if people could add to the bug report, that would be great:
>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/1441843

On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 1:27 PM, Nio Wiklund  wrote:
> 32-bit desktop images don't boot in some real computers. It has been
> reported for weeks at the qa-tracker.

You are referring to:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1432843

Unfortunately, such bugs are really hard to fix when they're specific
to particular hardware because it's difficult for others without the
hardware to test. I hate to say you're on your own, but you kind of
are.

One thing that I would say is that it's essential to test every single
flavor you can. If you can confirm that the bug is universal, you'll
at least be able to get help from other teams. Of course, assuming the
bug is in Ubuntu, you'll get tons of help.

I would do like I did with the aforementioned bug and clearly outline
what is affected and what is not in the description and make the
summary as specific as possible.
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Re: [Lubuntu-admins] UOS 15.05

[Walter Lapchynski]

I'd be happy to take responsibility of doing the session.

I think a demo would be particularly cool. If we could update the LXQt
ISO, I could go through the process of using it and how to report bugs
against it. Similarly, I can show how to grab the lubuntu-dev PPA and
install using the metapackage and how to file bugs there.

I also think it would be really good having a planning session,
especially given how much closer we get to actually making LXQt
official. It might be good to talk with other teams (docs, for
example) so they can prepare for the big changes. Finally, I think it
would be good to finally hash out once and for all what applications
we're using and not using. As always, it would be good to hear from
our wee dev team, especially for the few of us that keep trying to
help with the workload!

Questions, comments, concerns? If not, I'll probably forge ahead with those two.

On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 9:54 AM, Nicholas Skaggs
 wrote:
> 15.04 is nearing release in just a bit over a week! It's time to start
> thinking about next cycle already! UOS 1505 is coming up on Tuesday 05 May
> 2015 and is the perfect time to share your plans with the rest of the
> community. I'm writing to encourage you to consider hosting a planning
> session for interested users. Even if you plan in other ways or at a
> separate event, I would still extol you to prepare a session to share news
> and talk about what's happening within your flavor. UOS is an excellent
> opportunity to expand your community and the ubuntu community as a whole.
>
> Summit(1) is already setup and ready for session proposals. There is both a
> community track as well as a 'show and tell' track that will be of use to
> you. If you wish to simply demo something cool within your flavor, feel free
> to propose a session in show and tell. This can be something simple like
> showing off lxqt or what's new in 15.04, what's coming in 15.10 etc.
> Anything that would make a good demo and show off what you are working on /
> have worked on is a good candidate for this track. The session need not be
> long as it's a demo.
>
> If you are willing and able to host a planning or community session, please
> feel free to utilize the community track. This can be completely informal,
> and can be utilized to inform the greater community about your plans or help
> you solidify them.
>
> Either way should you need help proposing a session, please refer to the
> handy guide(2), or simply reply to this email. Thanks for considering UOS in
> your planning for next cycle!
>
> Cheers!
>
> 1. http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1505/
> 2. http://uds.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/propose-a-session/
>
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[Lubuntu-admins] Vivid Vervet home stretch!

[Walter Lapchynski]

We had an odd bug pop up today affecting all desktop images due to an
erroneous backslash in some users-admin code (that the installer
subsequently uses) *facepalm*. The release team quickly resolved it
and got it uploaded. I had to wait a while for rebuilds but images are
finally there, version [20150416.1][1]. I did a smoke test to confirm
it boots into X and all is well.

With help from others, we crushed some other nasty bugs this week.
This might be a good time to double check everything is well and good
before morning time UTC tomorrow, because at that point, we should
expect to see Vivid Final images. In fact, there's already a
[place][2] for them on the tracker.

Don't forget that we're releasing on the 23rd, which is Thursday.
Finally, we have a good long time to test things! We should work hard
at acknowledging and confirming existent bugs and look hard for new
ones. If there are particular bad ones, please post things up to the
list and let us know on IRC at #lubuntu-offtopic.

I need your help to make this a really good release. In particular,
I'm going to be travelling on release day, so I want to try to get as
much done ahead of time as possible. That being said, it's time to
test like crazy and hunt some bugs!

Thank you to all of you for all your help!

[1]: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/326/builds
[2]: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/338/builds

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Re: [Lubuntu-admins] [Lubuntu-qa] Final milestone image

[Walter Lapchynski]

All the builds are officially available now for testing:
http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/338/builds

Bugs you should all be seeing are:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxpanel/+bug/1434774
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1445592
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1424362

Hopefully we can fix all those, but they do have workarounds.

Keep an eye out for any other bugs and please report them.

If you're new to testing, see here:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/QA

Lastly, remember release is the 23rd. We have a bunch of extra time,
but we  need to strike early if we are to crush these bugs.

Questions, comments or concerns should be directed at this list or
#lubuntu-offtopic.

THanks!

On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 12:05 PM, istimsak  wrote:
> Doing that as I type 8-)
>
>
> On 04/17/2015 06:27 PM, Walter Lapchynski wrote:
>>
>> Yeppers. They're coming. Go test daily while you wait ☺
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Istimsak Abdulbasir
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't see any of the desktop images under the Vivid Final link, only
>>> netboot and upgrade. Are the images still being built?
>>>
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[Lubuntu-admins] Vivid Final rebuilding with Policy Kit issues fixed

[Walter Lapchynski]

The final images of Vivid are being rebuilt and will show up on [the
tracker][1] within about 15 minutes if all goes well. The reason for
this is that the boss managed to do a quick fix on the [issues we were
having with Policy Kit][2] (e.g. couldn't install from Lubuntu
Software Center).

Be aware there will likely be another rebuild sometime in the near
future on desktop images only as the release team is working on the
[issue we were having with images not rebooting][3]. For those
previously following this bug, please be aware that our old bug has
been named a duplicate of this one, so you might want to head over
there and me too/subscribe to it. When I have an update on that, I'll
let you know.

Meanwhile, keep shaking the images for bugs! Thank you!

[1]: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/338/builds
[2]: http://launchpad.net/bugs/1424362
[3]: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1445587

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[Lubuntu-admins] Vivid Vervet: the final countdown

[Walter Lapchynski]

Now that the [restart now][1] bug has been fixed, I've triggered
another set of rebuilds for desktop and alternate (I don't know why I
did the latter; force of habit), so once you see 20150420.1 on [the
tracker][2], get to testing. I can't see any other major reason for
another rebuild, so this should be it.

Look long and hard for any little picky stuff over the next few days.
If you have some spare bare metal, this would be a good time to try
out an install on it. If you're new to the [testing process][3], it's
really very easy and anyone can contribute. If you have questions,
comments or concerns, find me, reply here, or say hello on
#lubuntu-offtopic.

Thanks again!

[1]: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1445587
[2]: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/338/builds
[3]: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing

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[Lubuntu-admins] new IRC channel for QA/development: #lubuntu-devel

[Walter Lapchynski]

For those of you who have hung about #lubuntu-offtopic to discuss
non-support issues but would rather have a focused place to discuss
otherwise ontopic items (that channel can get REALLY offtopic at
times), we now have such a place. Since most of the discussion in this
regard relates to QA/development, we've gone with the Ubuntu
convention of using the -devel suffix, so you'll want to join
#lubuntu-devel. Please note that #lubuntu-qa does forward there if you
can only remember the name of the team/mailing list on Launchpad that
otherwise deals with this general subject. ☺

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Re: [Lubuntu-admins] [Lubuntu-wiki-docs] new IRC channel: #lubuntu-devel

[Walter Lapchynski]

Added a reference on Launchpad. Thanks for the help!

On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Gustavo Silva
 wrote:
> Hi again,
>
> So, I did the changes in Wiki at:
> - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers
> - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/QA
> - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing
>
> Hopefully there aren't much more references to technical IRC channels
> throughout the wiki.
>
> It would be good to see some reference in the following page in which I
> can't change anything:
> - https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-qa
>
> 2015-04-21 18:16 GMT+01:00 Gustavo Silva :
>>
>> Hi!
>>
>> Will take care of that asap.
>>
>> 2015-04-21 18:15 GMT+01:00 Walter Lapchynski :
>>>
>>> Could you guys do me the big favor of hunting around for every
>>> reference to IRC on the wiki and add a channel for QA/development,
>>> namely #lubuntu-devel? Also the QA/development pages should then
>>> reference this instead of #lubuntu-offtopic. Thanks so much!!!
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>>
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>
>
>
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-admins] Contributors Reception

[Walter Lapchynski]

Gustavo, thank you so much for this email. I can't agree more that
this is true. We need more resources. It's really an issue among all
flavors. In fact, I can even say it's true in the Kubuntu team (after
hanging out with a bunch of them this weekend) and they're old school
when it comes to flavors. So you're right, this is a global issue
(though Ubuntu has paid Canonical employees so it's not SO MUCH of an
issue with Ubuntu Desktop, Cloud, Touch, Server, and so on… and we
probably can't help Kylin why we're still speaking English ☺).

That being said, we could maybe start a blueprint and invite other
flavor team leads to join in. I don't know how other flavor teams
organize themselves between Team Leaders or even if they do, but I
have contacts with just about every team, so I can try to spread the
word.

I'm also on the Ubuntu News team. So if you want to lever that, we
probably can. Maybe it might be interesting to know why people don't
contribute and why the people that do contribute continue to do so.
This might be worth a survey.

I can also tell you that you're not alone in this thinking. You may
have heard me mention that I have Lubuntu QA t-shirts and that I'm
going to create a sort of contest (with the shirts as prizes) to
encourage more contribution, especially from new contributors. This
was inspired by a similar idea from the Xubuntu team.

My idea was to sort of gamify this with a bias towards new
contributors and multiple contributions. I've been trying to think of
how to do that logistically. I really want to have this done before
LXQt goes live in Lubuntu (which should ideally not be in an LTS
version, so if it's going to happen this year, 15.10).

That being said, I'd appreciate thoughts on the subject as well as
ideas on how we could apply this to the other teams and flavors.

Thanks again for doing such a darn good job!!!

On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 4:57 PM, Gustavo Silva
 wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> In the past few days I have been thinking in a way to get more contributors
> to get involved with Lubuntu. In the beginning I was thinking about a
> broader approach and hence we could gather forces with the guys at Ubuntu to
> get more people involved. I think it is fair to say that we could use some
> help to all teams.
>
> I don't want to generalize and hopefully you won't get me wrong. The Wiki &
> Docs is reduced to me only, the devs have always passed difficulties the
> keep the release on time and with great quality and I'm not sure if we have
> a Communications TL, after Silverlion (Jens) had to freeze his
> contributions. If we do, then maybe we could refine the current approach in
> order to get more people involved. I have some ideas that I can discuss if
> needed.
>
> Nevertheless, I'm guessing that new users bring new blood around and that is
> something that we must appreciate. Lubuntu is an important distribution of
> Ubuntu, and I definitely don't want to see it attached to hard, individual
> work. Besides, I'm guessing that all teams would benefit in numerous
> projects if they just had an extra par of hands. Now I can speak for myself:
> I have so many ideas for our Wiki... But not enough time. I want to help,
> but I can't do it alone. I know some of you guys have been helping a lot and
> you'll always give a hand when you can, but unfortunately that is not
> enough.
>
> A social media strategy plan is an idea, but I am not sure if there is
> something you guys have previously tried. Also, I think it would be great if
> we gather forces, and not recruit solely to one team. In any case, I don't
> have access to the Facebook official page, so I am sure I wouldn't be able
> to officially announce anything.
>
> So, summarizing, I have a couple of questions to discuss with the admins:
> - Do we have a team leader for Communications?;
> - Does s/he has a marketing plan?;
> - Which teams want to collaborate and try to define a strategy to increase
> our number of contributors?;
> - Even if you don't want to gather forces, would you mind suggesting a few
> ideas to bring some people closer?
>
> Apologies for the long email. I really appreciate your time and help on
> this.
>
>
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[Lubuntu-admins] Fwd: Ubuntu Online Summit: Lubuntu edition

[Walter Lapchynski]

Oops forgot to include all you guys. Kris, can you spread this across
our various and sundry social networks, blogs, and the like? Thanks!


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From: Walter Lapchynski 
Date: Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:56 AM
Subject: Ubuntu Online Summit: Lubuntu edition
To: Julien Lavergne , Jörn Schönyan
, "lubuntu...@lists.launchpad.net"
, lubuntu user list



As you may or may not know, the biannual [Ubuntu Online Summit][1] is
going on this week. For those that don't know, this is traditionally a
planning session for Ubuntu Developers (whether they're developing
code or communities), but is increasingly more applicable to the
general public. It is indeed open to all. Officially, the regular
sessions start tomorrow.

There are some interesting tracks this year:
 * App & Scope Development
 * Cloud
 * Convergence
 * Core
 * Community
 * Show & Tell

Those interested in Ubuntu Touch, Unity 8, Mir, Snappy, etc., should
make sure to join in those first four! People involved in or
interested in the Ubuntu Community should make sure to be in the
Community track, too. New this time is the last track which offers
developers a chance to show off what they're working on.

More specifically to Lubuntu, there are two particular sessions that
are of interest, both on Wednesday 6 May:
 1. First is the [Lubuntu Community Planning Session][2]. In this,
we'll talk about plans for this cycle, our needs within the team, and
work to brainstorm how to encourage further contributions from the
community (which may very well be something that we share with the
rest of the Ubuntu ecosystem). I really, really, really, really
encourage all of you to join in on this. This is not going to be a
technical discussion, but will focus heavily on our own part of the
Ubuntu Community. Since you're all part of it, you should all be part
of this session!
 2. Secondly, there is the [LXQt Show & Tell Session][3]. In this,
we'll be showing off the current state of our transition from GTK+ to
Qt. This may be a good time to come ask questions you might have.

Please everyone, get involved! If you have something to add, feel free
to show it on the blueprint and we look forward to seeing you in the
Google Hangout and/or IRC!

[1]: https://uds.ubuntu.com/
[2]: 
http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1505/meeting/22484/community-1505-planning-session/
[3]: 
http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1505/meeting/22422/lxqt-next-generation-of-lubuntu/

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[Lubuntu-admins] LXQt session at Ubuntu Online Session Thursday

[Walter Lapchynski]

Our [Show and Tell session for LXQt][1] at the Ubuntu Online Session
will be at 1800 UTC Thursday 7 May 2015. It was originally the day
before but we pushed it out to the last day of the session to allow us
a little extra time to get a new ISO spun up.

Please come join and ask questions, whether it be within in Google
Hangouts or IRC. Talk to you then!

[1]: 
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Re: [Lubuntu-admins] [Lubuntu-comms] Leadership

[Walter Lapchynski]

The need for backup leaders in all areas was mentioned in [yesterday's
leadership session at UOS][1]. This proves that this is something we
need to start implementing systemwide.

Meanwhile, we need to work on getting a Comms person in place, ASAP.
If we don't have a leader, we at least need to empower individuals to
take particular tasks. Anyone out there will to contribute anything at
all? Also, we need to leverage our Comms channels to get the word out
that we need someone. Can someone take on that task? Kris?

[1]: 
http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1505/meeting/22518/leadership-within-the-community/

On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Gustavo Silva
 wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> I recently found out that Silverlion (Jens) had to hold his contributions to
> the team due to his personal life affairs. However, it is not 100% clear
> whether you guys have another leader or not.
>
> Some say Kris is taking charge of that, although he is also very busy with
> his personal life. However, we need someone who would preferably contribute
> more regularly. Don't get me wrong here: I have an idea to develop a
> communication plan, which can also help us finding more contributors to all
> teams and also spread the word about our flavour. That implies a long-term
> commitment. Even if we don't, it is hard to keep a consistent involvement
> with the community if we are not engaging them correctly. And please, don't
> get me wrong: I am not criticizing anyone, I am just trying to suggest some
> improvements, here and there.
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-admins] Switch to LXQT

[Walter Lapchynski]

First off, just to be clear (it confused me, too, at first), ianorlin
is Brendan, not Walter. There aren't many Walters in the world, so I
was rather excited initially ;)

Anyways, LXQt should not be offering many *major* changes in terms of
interacting with the desktop environment. In fact, many things should
be improved and easier to work with.

Where it will be offering major changes is to the applications, so the
wiki will need to detail things a bit differently, but we don't have a
lot of details on how to work with the applications anyways, so I
think that's a bit of a non-issue.

What we need to do is confirm that the current instructions work for
LXQt. I think we will have some time to do this. I think, judging by
the current state of things, that it's unlikely we'll get something
done by 15.10. That means that 16.04 is out. So we're probably looking
at 16.10, which is over a year away.

Meanwhile, I think that the QA team can do, once we have a new Lubuntu
Next ISO (which Julien is working on, but had much trouble with before
the UOS session), is start looking at configuration files and such and
making sure the structure is the same.

On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Gustavo Silva
 wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> Ianorlin (Walter) has brought up to discussion in today's session at UOS the
> issues that may arise if we opt to go for LXQT next release. In my respect,
> all of it is connect with the Wiki, which, as you know, it is an important
> part of the open source world.
>
> Even though we have not decided anything yet, I'd like to know your opinion
> about what will need to be changed if we do the switch for LXQT, on the next
> release. I mean: Is it only a term adaptation, or is there a need to revise
> all contents and change things completely?
>
> Feel free to tell us your feedback about it as well.
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[Lubuntu-admins] Fwd: Draft Wily release schedule posted

[Walter Lapchynski]

Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 17:17:38 -0600
From: Adam Conrad https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?view=cm&fs=1&tf=1&to=adcon...@ubuntu.com>
>
To: ubuntu-rele...@lists.ubuntu.com

Subject: Draft Wily release schedule posted

There is finally a draft Wily release schedule posted at:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/ReleaseSchedule

If people could go through it and follow-up to the ubuntu-release list
if they have any serious issues with it, that would be lovely.

As always, everyone will have minor nitpicks, a specific conference or
sprint that you'd prefer not happen during a milestone, and we can't
accomodate all of those, so please be reasonable when raising concerns,
realizing that this affects hundreds (if not thousands) of contributors
other than just you.

The schedule is a 26-week schedule, which should look shockingly
similar to Utopic and Vivid's schedules, with a couple of minor bits
shuffled to accomodate landing milestones pleasantly on month-end
boundaries, but should generally be a familiar formula at this point.

Comments and complaints welcome, please don't edit directly, but
rather discuss in this thread instead, and we'll reach some semblance
of consensus.

... Adam

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[Lubuntu-admins] Lubuntu is not LXLE: a call to action

[Walter Lapchynski]

As I'm sure you guys know that [LXLE][1] is a distribution based on Lubuntu
LTS. I admit that I am biased in that it really seems to me that it's just
be Lubuntu with some extra graphics stuff but it has been suggested to me
by people familiar with the project that this is not the case. In any case,
I don't really mind them existing. People obviously see some value in the
distro, and that's the point behind open source anyways.

What irks me is that they list us in their [support options][2] (admittedly
an "external" resource) and on an unlinked [support page][3] (probably
deprecated, but still…) and on their [Ubuntu wiki page][4]. So not only are
they committing our resources to help support their users, but they are
even going so far as to implicate Canonical will provide paid support on
the unlinked page! They would be like us saying that Debian (our direct
upstream) will provide support for us or that Intel will support the kernel
(they are the [top contributor][5]). This is, at best, audacious.

I love helping people with Linux. I am not a stranger to other distros. I
also feel like I know enough to help people with their problems, but just
as it's difficult to support people that install Ubuntu and then LXDE but
remove LightDM in lieu of LXDM and get rid of DBus ([seriously][6]), it's
even harder to support people that have Lubuntu plus some other stuff that
we don't necessarily have control with or experience with. My time is
limited and I know that I cannot hope to support such a situation.

In fact, I would like to suggest that we ask LXLE to remove any suggestions
of Lubuntu providing support for them. Are there any concerns on this or
thoughts on the matter?

[1]: http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=lxle
[2]: http://www.lxle.net/support-options/
[3]: http://lxle.net/support/
[4]: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/lxle
[5]:
http://www.neowin.net/news/intel-overtakes-red-hat-to-become-top-linux-kernel-contributor
[6]: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxsession/+bug/1446723

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[Lubuntu-admins] AppGrid for Lubuntu?

[Walter Lapchynski]

Thanks to Simon Quigley (tsimonq2), I was watching a recent Linux Action
Show and they mentioned this nice user-friendly alternative to the Ubuntu
Software Center called [AppGrid][1]. It's built from the ground up and
focused on speed in Python. That's about all I know about it, but I'm
thinking that there may be some benefit to consider hacking this to use a
limited set of packages and making it ours? I can see it's using GTK+, so
there's that to worry about it, too, but that may or may not be easy. Just
passing it on if it's of interest to anyone. :)

[1]: https://launchpad.net/appgrid

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[Lubuntu-admins] Fwd: Community Council Catchup with Lubuntu

[Walter Lapchynski]

Heads up that there's a Community Council check in with Lubuntu this
Thursday 1 October at 1730 UTC. Anyone's welcome to show, but for those of
you who are regular contributors, don't miss it, as your input will be
helpful. Thanks in advance!

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From: Elfy 
Date: Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 6:06 AM
Subject: Re: Community Council Catchup with Lubuntu
To: lubuntu-us...@lists.ubuntu.com
Cc: cc 


On 24/04/15 10:04, Elfy wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> The Community Council is scheduling meetings over the next cycle with the
> various teams, councils and boards in the Ubuntu community. [1]
>
> The  meeting with Lubuntu  is scheduled for   @ 17:30UTC.
>
> We will endeavour to remind you closer to that date.
>
> For more information, please see our Agenda[2] page on the wiki.
>
>
> regards
>
> Elfy
>
> [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda#Team_catch-up
> [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
>
> Missed the date out ...

17:30 UTC 1st October


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Re: [Lubuntu-admins] [Lubuntu-qa] AppGrid for Lubuntu?

[Walter Lapchynski]

sounds great to me! i knew work was being done but didn't know how far
along we were, so thanks for the update and all the hard work!

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On Sep 28, 2015 5:55 AM, "Jörn Schönyan"  wrote:

> Hi everyone, replies inline.
>
> On Montag, 28. September 2015 14:18:45 CEST, Rafael Laguna wrote:
>
>> Hi, guys:
>>
>> Yes, Phill is right. Jörn and I made plans for improving the apps
>> installation in Lubuntu, as well as managing PPAs. We'll have results soon.
>> Jörn is working hard on it.
>>
> Yes - I don't have a time plan, but the new Software Center will be ready
> before the release of 16.04, I guess at the end of the year we will have a
> preview. The Update Manager is ready for testing, but missing 2 or 3
> features I really want to have and needs to be a bit more fail-safe, as it
> wasn't tested under hard conditions (bad or no internet connections and
> stuff).
>
>> About App Grid, it needs an Ubuntu One account that sometimes it kicks
>> you out, so it's buggy. Ubuntu MATE is considering adopt it as their own
>> Software Centre and dropping USC which is, in my opinion, a mistake,
>> because the guys in Canonical are also improving USC for the Ubuntu Touch
>> market and the forthcoming Snappy packages.
>>
> I've tested all the alternative software centers in the past, but not even
> one satisfied me. But of course, that is only my personal opinion.
>
>> So I think we're in the right path. I know you don't see much "dev"
>> activity lately, but believe me when I tell you we're working hard on the
>> next LXQt version of Lubuntu and polishing every single detail to improve
>> your desktop experience.
>>
> Right, I think the new software center could solve some problems we have,
> make Lubuntu much easier for newcomers and it could be a core feature of
> Lubuntu. All the things following now are still in the planning and there
> was no real discussion about it, so this is a great moment for further
> ideas and improvements, please feel free to comment and express your
> thoughts about it, I would really appreciate it.
>
> The new software center will be in fact a more modern version of our
> traditional LSC, written in Qt and with a more robust backend for
> application data (for more informations, google "Appstream").
>
> But I imagine a new feature to customize the Lubuntu experience for the
> users needs. Some people want an office computer and they should get it.
> The new software center should be able to "ask" the user what he needs:
> office suite, graphics software, font managing, driver support for printers
> from a specific brand or simmilar. Multimedia users may want a tool to cut
> and convert videos, so they should have a nice collection of tools to
> choose from. I think there are a lot of simmilar use cases. Afaik Ubuntu
> MATE has a feature like this in their welcome screen.
>
> This would even allow us to ship a minimal (or core) version like Xubuntu
> does, with only a bare desktop and very limited applications or no
> applications at all, without leaving users alone in their application
> choice and initial setup of their machine. Our problem being restricted to
> an iso size of ~700 megabytes wouldn't hurt that much in the future.
>
> I hope my explanation was clear enough, feel free to ask questions about
> it.
>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> Rafael Laguna
>> Lubuntu Artwork Team
>>
>> Happy discussions and have a nice week!
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Re: [Lubuntu-admins] Are We Still A Team?

[Walter Lapchynski]

i think it failed to fulfill our original intent. i think it does serve a
purpose, though: to manage administration throughout all the launchpad
teams

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On Mar 1, 2016 8:35 AM, "Svetlana Belkin"  wrote:

> All,
>
> It seems on the SubnTeams page [1] that the reference to the Admins Team
> was removed.  Does anyone know why?  Should we remove this team from
> LaunchPad?
>
> [1]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams
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Re: [Lubuntu-admins] [lubuntu-devel] [lubuntu-users] Check In With CC Reminder

[Walter Lapchynski]

Doesn't seem bad. What time?
On May 9, 2016 8:58 PM, "Phill. Whiteside"  wrote:

> It's also okay with me, but I'd need reminding !!
>
> Phill.
>
> On 10 May 2016 at 03:01, Simon Quigley  wrote:
>
>> Bump, this is okay with me, what about everyone else?
>>
>> On 04/28/16 07:52, Daniel Holbach wrote:
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda we have
>> > meetings scheduled with other teams until mid-June.
>> >
>> > How would 7th July sound to you?
>> >
>> > Have a great day,
>> >  Daniel
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 21.04.2016 18:34, Daniel Holbach wrote:
>> >> Hello everybody,
>> >>
>> >> On 19.04.2016 16:52, Svetlana Belkin wrote:
>> >>> Greetings Lubuntu Team,
>> >>>
>> >>> On the behalf of the CC, I'm reminding your that your check in, with
>> us,
>> >>> is this Thursday, April 21, at 17:30UTC[1] in #ubuntu-meeting.
>> >>>
>> >>> [1]
>> >>>
>> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Community+Council+Catchup&iso=20160419T1730&ah=1
>> >>
>> >> sorry about that. It turned out that (big surprise!) everyone was busy
>> >> on release day or found other reasons to be out (honeymoons, holidays,
>> >> open source conferences among them). Sorry if this caused inconvenience
>> >> or confusion. Let's reschedule this meeting.
>> >>
>> >> Have a great day,
>> >>  Daniel
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
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[Lubuntu-admins] adding Simon Quigley

[Walter Lapchynski]

Simon Quigley aka tsimonq2 created a few little ripples through the
ranks when he first started contributing, I think mostly due to his
younger age. However, he maturely responded to the feedback given and
has become a very consistent and dedicated contributor. He's helped out
quite a bit with release and QA tasks and I've been grooming him for a
leadership position. With that said, I'd like to give him a little bit
more legitimacy in his dealers with the larger community by adding him
to admins. Just FYI!
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Re: [Lubuntu-admins] Lubuntu website

[Walter Lapchynski]

Time zones may be a bit of an issue for email as we are all spread out.
That said, I'll say simply what the issues are:

 * lubuntu.net is not within control of the Lubuntu Team and cannot be
updated quickly and is subsequently out of date often
 * lubuntu.me was created so we'd have control over our web presence
 * partially because of the ranking on Google, lubuntu.net tends to get
more hits
 * the existence of both websites has been confusing to users and there's
been a rash of complaints about it lately

Based on this, I contacted Mario (cc'ing Simon, Julien, and Rafael) to get
one of several things to happen:

 * give the Lubuntu Team access to edit content at lubuntu.net
 * set up a redirect from lubuntu.net to lubuntu.me
 * reference lubuntu.me as the official website with a link
 * give the domain over to the Lubuntu Team

So far none of those things have happened. There has been little discussion
about it. My emails were answered minimally or not at all.

On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 8:21 AM, Michael Hall  wrote:

> Hello Mario, Lubuntu admins,
>
> I've been made aware of some conflicts going in within the Lubuntu
> project and currently playing out in a bug report[1]. I would like to
> resolve this before it gets out of hand, as we're all on the same team
> and we all want Lubuntu to be a vibrant and successful project. So I'm
> offering my time to act as a mediator between you guys, so we can work
> together towards a common goal in an open and friendly fashion.
>
> We can do this quickly over a hangout, or via email, but let's start the
> process now and please focus on collaboration and not casting blame.
>
> [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/lubuntu-artwork/+bug/1608306
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[Lubuntu-admins] requesting the CC/Canonical legal assist with acquiring Lubuntu domains

[Walter Lapchynski]

Hello, all,

The co-founder of Lubuntu, Mario Behling, has been in charge of
lubuntu.net/org for as long as I've been using Lubuntu, let alone being a
member of the team. I never quite understood why we have had problems keep
it up to date, but I've learned the reasons why: we have no access to the
site and Mario refuses to give us access. This is why we created lubuntu.me.
Unfortunately, the existence of the two websites creates a great degree of
confusion for our users, who have been complaining a lot lately, as you can
see from [this bug report][1]. So I decided to take this issue on first
hand.

I have tried to contact Mario to get the issue resolved. I didn't try to
make a big public issue out of it. I've suggested he give us access, link
or redirect to lubuntu.me, or simply transfer the domain ownership
(ultimately to Canonical). My messages were ignored or only answered
minimally (e.g. "Good job on lubuntu.me"). He finally decided to provide a
[real response][2] on that aforementioned bug report, wherein he denies the
notion that we don't have access (but has not provided credentials) and
that Lubuntu has no "official" relationship with Canonical.

In turn, Michael Hall stepped in and tried to propose some private
mediation to get the issue resolved to everyone's satisfaction, or at least
with productive language. Mario did not respond to this, either. It does
seem like in response to all this, he has removed his name from the footer
of lubuntu.net (to which lubuntu.org redirects), but it also explicitly
says "lubuntu.net is an innot associated with Canonical which holds the
Ubuntu trademark," reinforcing the notion that he refuses to believe in the
connection between Lubuntu and Canonical.

Apparently, he wishes to maintain control and do things his way, even
though he no longer contributes to Lubuntu in even the most remote of ways.
Apparently, this is not new behavior. Again, on that bug report, Phill
Whiteside makes a [comment][3] that claims that a team of contributors once
voted on an update to the website and Mario simply refused ("vetoed") it.

In his comment, Mario says he would prefer "decentralised resources," which
is actually what the Lubuntu Team wants. The domains should ideally be
owned by Canonical and the hosting should be done by Canonical. That way,
the community, whomever it might be, can use the normal Canonical resources
and procedures to access them. Currently, we're in the [process][4] of
making that happen with lubuntu.me, because we as individuals don't want to
be in control, but we want the community to control it.

That being said, my hope is that the Community Council, perhaps in concert
with Canonical Legal, can help secure lubuntu.net/lubuntu.org under
Canonical ownership and that they can redirect to lubuntu.me.

If we can answer any other questions for you, please let us know. Thank you
for the hard work you do.

Sincerely,
Walter Lapchynski for the Lubuntu Team

[1]: https://bugs.launchpad.net/lubuntu-artwork/+bug/1608306
[2]: https://bugs.launchpad.net/lubuntu-artwork/+bug/1608306/comments/17
[3]: https://bugs.launchpad.net/lubuntu-artwork/+bug/1608306/comments/11
[4]: https://rt.ubuntu.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=28808
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Re: [Lubuntu-admins] Lubuntu Next Images

[Walter Lapchynski]

Steve,

Thank you so much! Would you be so kind as to add it to the tracker, too?
As one of Lubuntu's Release Managers, I can add it to the product family
and everything. Actually, I have a suspicion I can probably do this myself
simply by adding a product and adding the download links, but I'm not sure
of the format for the download links. That and you probably have some
automated way of dealing with this, right? :) In any case, I'm happy to
help. Just let me know what I need to do. Thanks again,


On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 2:24 PM, Steve Langasek 
wrote:

> Hi Simon,
>
> On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 08:21:02PM -0500, Simon Quigley wrote:
> > Hello Release Team,
>
> > The Lubuntu team is ready to begin the migration process to LXQt, and one
> > of the first parts of the migration is getting an image to move to. We
> have
> > prepared the lubuntu-qt-desktop metapackage and we are ready for an
> image.
>
> > A few weeks ago, I submitted two merge proposals[1,2] thanks to advice
> > given by Adam Conrad on #ubuntu-release. On several occasions (on IRC),
> > both myself and Walter Lapchynski have asked for feedback on the merge
> > proposals in an effort to get the images spun up so we can take our next
> > step, but have not received any.
>
> > This is a call for feedback on those two merge proposals so we can get
> the
> > images spun up and take our next step.
>
> > [1]
> > https://code.launchpad.net/~tsimonq2/ubuntu-cdimage/
> lubuntu-next-image/+merge/301203
> > [2]
> > https://code.launchpad.net/~tsimonq2/livecd-rootfs/
> lubuntu-next-image/+merge/301202
>
> > Please let us know,
> > Simon Quigley for the Lubuntu team
>
> These have been merged now, and the crontab deployed in production.
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-admins] [lubuntu-devel] Lubuntu Yakkety Yak Beta 1 Call for Testing

[Walter Lapchynski]

A little late, but here's your announcement! Go test, please!
http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/366/builds/129632

We're running down to the last minute where the assigned Canonical folks
will be around, so we really need folks to test ASAP. I'd appreciate it if
you could make sure to only do test cases that are not yet done. Please
make sure to mark the test case you're working on as "in process" as soon
as you boot.

If you have any other questions, email or better yet, come see us on
#lubuntu-devel on Freenode.

Thanks everyone!

On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 12:25 PM, Simon Quigley  wrote:

> Yep, I'll announce when the next respin comes around.
>
> Thanks!
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Re: [Lubuntu-admins] [lubuntu-devel] Lubuntu Yakkety Yak Beta 1 has been released!

[Walter Lapchynski]

On Aug 26, 2016 00:30, "Nio Wiklund"  wrote:
> Den 2016-08-26 kl. 00:46, skrev Simon Quigley:
>> Lubuntu Yakkety Yak Beta 1 (soon to be 16.10) has been released!
> So there is a difference between the behaviour of the installed system
between Lubuntu installed via the debian installer (alternate and mini) and
via ubiquity (desktop).

To be clear, the difference is that the ubiquity version lacks the ability
to manage the wired connection?
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[Lubuntu-admins] Lubuntu Team Meeting notes

[Walter Lapchynski]

We had our regular 2nd Wednesday meeting yesterday and I wanted to update
everyone with the [meeting notes][1]. Simon had a fair number of [agenda
items][2] but was not able to attend. Expect an email from him by tomorrow
to elaborate on those subjects.

Please make sure to put it on your calendar to join us for the [next
meeting][3] Wednesday, 12 October 2016 at 1900 UTC. If you have any [agenda
items][2] please make sure to add them to the wiki.

[1]:
http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/lubuntu-devel/2016/lubuntu-devel.2016-09-14-19.00.moin.txt
[2]:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda#General_Agenda_Items_and_Proposals
[3]: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda#Time

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Re: [Lubuntu-admins] Lubuntu Team Meeting notes

[Walter Lapchynski]

Works for me. Is it just this one time?

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On Sep 15, 2016 18:26, "Simon Quigley"  wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> On 09/15/2016 07:17 PM, Walter Lapchynski wrote:
> > We had our regular 2nd Wednesday meeting yesterday and I wanted to
> > update everyone with the [meeting notes][1]. Simon had a fair number of
> > [agenda items][2] but was not able to attend. Expect an email from him
> > by tomorrow to elaborate on those subjects.
> >
> > Please make sure to put it on your calendar to join us for the [next
> > meeting][3] Wednesday, 12 October 2016 at 1900 UTC. If you have any
> > [agenda items][2] please make sure to add them to the wiki.
>
> I would like to propose that this time be changed to Wednesday, 12
> October 2016 from 17:15-18:15 UTC. This way I'll be able to make it.
> That's 12:15 PM to 1:15 PM my time, and my lunch hour is from 12:15 PM
> to 1:06 PM.
>
> Thoughts from everyone? I CCed the usual people who attend to get their
> thoughts specifically as well. Who can't make it?
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-admins] Lubuntu Team Meeting notes

[Walter Lapchynski]

I think some degree of consistency would be good. Is there any hope that we
could pick one time that would work, assumedly, into the future?

On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 10:44 AM, Simon Quigley  wrote:

> > Works for me. Is it just this one time?
>
> This time would be for the October-January meetings, if that's alright
> with everyone.
>
> I would then propose a new time that fits with my schedule for the second
> semester of school.
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Re: [Lubuntu-admins] Lubuntu Team Meeting notes

[Walter Lapchynski]

That works for me if it works for everyone else.

On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 2:29 PM, Simon Quigley  wrote:

> > I think some degree of consistency would be good. Is there any hope that
> we
> > could pick one time that would work, assumedly, into the future?
>
> 21/22 UTC works for me every day (daylight savings time).
>
> I just think that's a stretch for our members in Europe.
>
> Thoughts, Walter?
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[Lubuntu-admins] transfer lubuntu.me to Canonical

[Walter Lapchynski]

We, the admins of the Lubuntu project, would like to transfer the ownership
of our primary domain lubuntu.me to Canonical. The domain is currently
registered by Rafael Laguna, long running contributor to the project,
through Gandi. This is the first step of a larger process to get to get all
of our resources, including the site itself, transferred to Canonical's
control (see ​28808​). What's the next step to make this happen?

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Re: [Lubuntu-admins] [rt.ubuntu.com #29070] transfer lubuntu.me to Canonical

[Walter Lapchynski]

​pvXlzye6z"​


On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 12:41 PM, Thomas Cuthbert via RT 
wrote:

> Hey,
>
> If you can send through a transfer token we can go about transferring
> ownership.
>



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Re: [Lubuntu-admins] [rt.ubuntu.com #29070] transfer lubuntu.me to Canonical

[Walter Lapchynski]

EMAIL ALIASES (which are pretty darn static!!!)

Address (4/4)   Forwarded to

info@   lubuntu-admins@lists.launchpad.net
rafaellaguna@   w...@rafaellaguna.net
tsimonq2@   si...@tsimonq2.net
wxl@w...@ubuntu.com

ZONE FILE

Zone "my zone (2016-05-04)" (version 8)*
@ 900 IN A 192.99.139.35
www 900 IN A 192.99.139.35
blog 10800 IN CNAME blogs.vip.gandi.net.
imap 10800 IN CNAME access.mail.gandi.net.
manual 10800 IN CNAME webredir.vip.gandi.net.
pop 10800 IN CNAME access.mail.gandi.net.
smtp 10800 IN CNAME relay.mail.gandi.net.
webmail 10800 IN CNAME webmail.gandi.net.
@ 10800 IN MX 50 fb.mail.gandi.net.
@ 10800 IN MX 10 spool.mail.gandi.net.
Last updated 27/08/2016

Thanks!


On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 6:51 AM, Junien Fridrick via RT 
wrote:

> On Wed Oct 05 19:59:21 2016, w...@ubuntu.com wrote:
> > One other thing. Gandi allowed us to have forwarded emails. Is that
> > something we can get for a select group of people through Canonical? Just
> > like the ubuntu.com ones.
>
> Hey,
>
> That's doable, if we don't have to change the aliases twice a day :)
>
> I started the transfer process, but I realized that we need to setup the
> zone on our infrastructure first. Could you give us the contents of your
> zone file ? (or list all the records you need)
>
> Thank you !
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Re: [Lubuntu-admins] [rt.ubuntu.com #29070] transfer lubuntu.me to Canonical

[Walter Lapchynski]

Looks like it's done. Thanks all!

On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 10:45 PM, Junien Fridrick via RT 
wrote:

> On Tue Oct 11 18:56:09 2016, w...@ubuntu.com wrote:
> > blahdeblah said that the registrar asked for to change our nameservers to
> > the Canonical ones. That is now done. If you could update the registrar,
> > that would be great. Thanks!
>
> As blahdeblah told you, the transfer is now in progress :)
> We'll check back in a few days.
>
> Cheers
>



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Re: [Lubuntu-admins] Ending Lubuntu Zesty Daily PowerPC Builds

[Walter Lapchynski]

As much as I am sad to see PPC go, there's little we can do in light of the
lack of upstream support. Thanks for taking care of this, Simon.

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 4:57 PM, Simon Quigley  wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> I noticed we still had PowerPC Daily Builds enabled, and after the
> Technical Board decided[1] to remove the 32-bit powerpc architecture
> in future releases, Lubuntu will no longer be able to have a PowerPC Zesty
> release past Feature Freeze. I propose we remove the Lubuntu Zesty Daily
> PowerPC Builds effective Monday, February 13, 2017, if that's alright with
> everyone. This will ensure that we have adequate time to make sure the
> removal
> is clean and leaves no outstanding issues on the 16th when the architecture
> is removed.
>
> LTS support for PowerPC systems will not go away, lasting until April of
> 2019,
> so if you have a system that uses the PowerPC architecture on Lubuntu
> 16.04 LTS,
> you can expect security updates from the Ubuntu archive until April of
> 2021, or
> support from *us* until April of 2019[2] (only a *three* year support
> period as
> opposed to five for the entire archive, if that makes sense).
>
> Please let me know if you have any questions.
>
> [1] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-
> announce/2016-December/001199.html
> [2] http://lubuntu.me/xenial-released/
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[Lubuntu-admins] testing

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just a test

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testing

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Re: [Lubuntu-admins] Request to mailing list Lubuntu-users rejected

[Walter Lapchynski]

Thanks for bringing this up. The instructions we give perhaps assume too much 
familiarity with mailing lists and how they work. Nearly every mailing list 
I've been on requires you to join the mailing list first. We could let the 
email through, but then we'd run the risk of someone replying only to the list, 
which the sender would then never see. So instead we reject and hope the user 
can interpret the message to mean that they need to change their status from 
non-member. It doesn't seem like you get any links pointing you in the right 
direction.

That said, I'd like to advise we do the following changes:
 1. Change the website to read "Instructions to join the list and post to it 
can be found at https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users"; 
instead of "Send an email to…"
 2. Change the rejection message to "You need to first become a member of the 
mailing list in order to post to it. Instructions to do so can be found at 
https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users";

If either of those two items were implemented, would that have solved your 
problem? 

On October 22, 2017 9:09:20 AM PDT, W Michael Trout  
wrote:
>here is the copy i followed:
>
>"How do I get support?
>We recommend that you email the lubuntu-users mailing list. Send an
>email to lubuntu-users AT lists DOT ubuntu DOT com."
>on page:
>Lubuntu 17.10 (Artful Aardvark) released! | Lubuntu
>
>
>| 
>| 
>|  | 
>Lubuntu 17.10 (Artful Aardvark) released! | Lubuntu
>
>Thanks to all the hard work from our contributors, Lubuntu 17.10 has
>been released! With the codename Artful Aar...
> |
>
> |
>
> |
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>On Saturday, October 21, 2017, 6:16:20 PM EDT,
>lubuntu-users-ow...@lists.ubuntu.com
> wrote: 
> 
> Your request to the Lubuntu-users mailing list
>
>    Posting of your message titled "Fw: Ubuntu Newsletter | October
>2017"
>
>has been rejected by the list moderator.  The moderator gave the
>following reason for rejecting your request:
>
>"Non-members are not allowed to post messages to this list."
>
>Any questions or comments should be directed to the list administrator
>at:
>
>    lubuntu-users-ow...@lists.ubuntu.com
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[Lubuntu-admins] is this thing on?

[Walter Lapchynski]

hello?

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Re: [Lubuntu-admins] is this thing on?

[Walter Lapchynski]

On 2017-11-07 11:56, Walter Lapchynski wrote:
> hello?

Just testing that the i...@lubuntu.me alias works. It does. And it goes
here. Just FYI. Speaking of FYIs..

I did this as part of Rafael and I trying to figure out how to properly
manage notifications from our Mastodon (@lubuntu@mastodon.technology in
case you weren't aware). I was hoping to set up all relevant
notifications (mentions, mainly) to go to email rather than us trying to
figure out multi-account clients. I was going to send it here but
there's a possibility of DMs ending up on a public list and I don't know
that I love that.

That said, I've put my own email in and will coordinate with Rafael and
whomever is involved with social media to ensure that they are replied
to accordingly. Rafael also has the login information, so he can always
log in and get the notifications. He just won't get the emails.

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Re: [Lubuntu-admins] ppa uploads

[Walter Lapchynski]

You should know that's a poor explanation of your problem. That said, not 
knowing the details, here's the instructions:
https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/Uploading

Certainly your issue is not restricted to Lubuntu, so you may want to reach out 
to Launchpad support if you continue to have issues. Just be more specific 😉 


On November 26, 2017 11:59:44 AM PST, LXLE Linux  wrote:
>hi all
>
>I can't for the life of me seem to wrap my brain around uploading
>source
>code to a ppa not sure why i'm usually not so damn dense... anyway
>i
>was wondering if there was either a video/visual tutorial somewhere
>that
>i could go by as it's obviously something i need to 'see' done a time
>or
>two before it 'clicks'.
>
>I've been trying to upload the new seamonkey to a ppa so i can manage
>when the updates for it come through after testing has been done to
>make
>sure it breaks nothing but can't seem to figure it out to save my
>life so... any help would be appreciated...

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[Lubuntu-admins] [Bug 1752733] Re: Default terminal emulator is set to txiterm, which causes problems with certain characters

[Walter Lapchynski]

** Changed in: lubuntu-meta (Ubuntu)
   Status: New => Triaged

** Summary changed:

- Default terminal emulator is set to txiterm, which causes problems with 
certain characters
+ xiterm+thai is installed and set to x-terminal-emulator

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Title:
  xiterm+thai is installed and set to x-terminal-emulator

Status in lubuntu-meta package in Ubuntu:
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Bug description:
  On a clean install of Lubuntu Desktop 18.04, the default x-terminal-
  emulator is set to txiterm, which comes from the package xiterm+thai.
  With this terminal it's not possible to use characters with accents
  like í or Á.

  This is particularly troublesome when using a Brazilian Portuguese
  install, as the Desktop folder is called "Área de Trabalho", Music is
  "Música", Public is "Público" and Videos is "Vídeos". From a clean
  install using the terminal, it's impossible to access or use the
  directories "Música" or "Área de Trabalho". If another directory is
  created and starts with "V", then "Vídeos" become inaccessible, the
  same if a directory starting with "P" is created happens to Público.

  Lubuntu has the lxterminal terminal emulator, which does not have this
  problem, but the default x-terminal-emulator that is set is txiterm.
  If the default x-terminal-emulator was lxterminal, this would not
  happen.

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 18.04
  Package: lubuntu-desktop 0.92
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 4.15.0-10.11-generic 4.15.3
  Uname: Linux 4.15.0-10-generic x86_64
  ApportVersion: 2.20.8-0ubuntu10
  Architecture: amd64
  CurrentDesktop: LXDE
  Date: Thu Mar  1 19:15:34 2018
  InstallationDate: Installed on 2018-02-26 (3 days ago)
  InstallationMedia: Lubuntu 18.04 LTS "Bionic Beaver" - Alpha amd64 (20180226)
  SourcePackage: lubuntu-meta
  UpgradeStatus: No upgrade log present (probably fresh install)

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[Lubuntu-admins] [Bug 1752733] Re: xiterm+thai is installed and set to x-terminal-emulator

[Walter Lapchynski]

** Description changed:

- On a clean install of Lubuntu Desktop 18.04, the default x-terminal-
- emulator is set to txiterm, which comes from the package xiterm+thai.
- With this terminal it's not possible to use characters with accents like
- í or Á.
+ STEPS TO REPRODUCE
+ ==
+  1. Install a daily version of Lubuntu Desktop Bionic or boot to the live 
system
+  2. Check for where /etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator is symlinked
  
- This is particularly troublesome when using a Brazilian Portuguese
- install, as the Desktop folder is called "Área de Trabalho", Music is
- "Música", Public is "Público" and Videos is "Vídeos". From a clean
- install using the terminal, it's impossible to access or use the
- directories "Música" or "Área de Trabalho". If another directory is
- created and starts with "V", then "Vídeos" become inaccessible, the same
- if a directory starting with "P" is created happens to Público.
+ EXPECTED RESULTS
+ 
+ /usr/bin/lxterminal
  
- Lubuntu has the lxterminal terminal emulator, which does not have this
- problem, but the default x-terminal-emulator that is set is txiterm. If
- the default x-terminal-emulator was lxterminal, this would not happen.
+ ACTUAL RESULTS
+ ==
+ /usr/bin/txiterm
  
- ProblemType: Bug
- DistroRelease: Ubuntu 18.04
- Package: lubuntu-desktop 0.92
- ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 4.15.0-10.11-generic 4.15.3
- Uname: Linux 4.15.0-10-generic x86_64
- ApportVersion: 2.20.8-0ubuntu10
- Architecture: amd64
- CurrentDesktop: LXDE
- Date: Thu Mar  1 19:15:34 2018
- InstallationDate: Installed on 2018-02-26 (3 days ago)
- InstallationMedia: Lubuntu 18.04 LTS "Bionic Beaver" - Alpha amd64 (20180226)
- SourcePackage: lubuntu-meta
- UpgradeStatus: No upgrade log present (probably fresh install)
+ AFFECTED VERSIONS
+ =
+  * Desktop only; not Alternate
+  * Bionic only; Artful is not affected
+  * both amd64 and i386
+ 
+ NOTES
+ =
+  * lxterminal and xiterm+thai are both installed
+  * postinst scripts on both packages set the update-alternatives priority to 
20 (this cycle lxterminal was lowered to this value)
+  * lxterminal is installed after xiterm+thai and thus does not become the new 
x-terminal-emulator because of the priority being no greater
+  * xiterm+thai is not explicitly required by our seeds
+  * there is no package that xiterm+thai depends on (apt-rdepends -r), so 
there should be no indirect depend on it
+  * germinate-output, cd-build-logs don't show xiterm+thai being installed
+  * cd-build-image logs do show xiterm+thai being installed as a depend of 
apport-gtk
+  * apport-gtk requires x-terminal-emulator, not a specific one
+  * if a package satisfying a virtual package is not already installed, the 
selection is essentially random
+ 
+ POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS
+ ==
+  * explicity unseed xiterm+thai, which I think is more of a band-aid
+  * ensure that lxterminal is installed before apport-gtk, which will ideally 
require running germinate locally

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Status in lubuntu-meta package in Ubuntu:
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Bug description:
  STEPS TO REPRODUCE
  ==
   1. Install a daily version of Lubuntu Desktop Bionic or boot to the live 
system
   2. Check for where /etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator is symlinked

  EXPECTED RESULTS
  
  /usr/bin/lxterminal

  ACTUAL RESULTS
  ==
  /usr/bin/txiterm

  AFFECTED VERSIONS
  =
   * Desktop only; not Alternate
   * Bionic only; Artful is not affected
   * both amd64 and i386

  NOTES
  =
   * lxterminal and xiterm+thai are both installed
   * postinst scripts on both packages set the update-alternatives priority to 
20 (this cycle lxterminal was lowered to this value)
   * lxterminal is installed after xiterm+thai and thus does not become the new 
x-terminal-emulator because of the priority being no greater
   * xiterm+thai is not explicitly required by our seeds
   * there is no package that xiterm+thai depends on (apt-rdepends -r), so 
there should be no indirect depend on it
   * germinate-output, cd-build-logs don't show xiterm+thai being installed
   * cd-build-image logs do show xiterm+thai being installed as a depend of 
apport-gtk
   * apport-gtk requires x-terminal-emulator, not a specific one
   * if a package satisfying a virtual package is not already installed, the 
selection is essentially random

  POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS
  ==
   * explicity unseed xiterm+thai, which I think is more of a band-aid
   * ensure that lxterminal is installed before apport-gtk, which will ideally 
require running germinate locally

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[Lubuntu-admins] [Bug 1522675] Re: Warning messages about unsandboxed downloads

[Walter Lapchynski]

** Description changed:

+ READ ME FIRST
+ =
+ This is a cosmetic issue. The warning message is just that— a warning. Though 
the message comes up, there is no problem with the install/upgrade happening 
like normal. That said, feel free to ignore it. It will get fixed, but it's 
nowhere near as urgent as bugs that actually result in the wrong behavior 
rather than just a simple extra message.
+ 
+ ---
+ 
  Recently we got new versions for synaptic 0.82+build1 & apt 1.1.3, but
  now get that error when installing/upgrading some packages:
  
  Setting up libc6-dbg:amd64 (2.21-0ubuntu5) ...
  Processing triggers for libc-bin (2.21-0ubuntu5) ...
  W: Can't drop privileges for downloading as file 
'/root/.synaptic/tmp//tmp_cl' couldn't be accessed by user '_apt'. - 
pkgAcquire::Run (13: Permission denied)
  
  From nautilus, i'm seeing a /root/ folder locked (x on its icon) and the
  folder is empty (no /.synaptic/ sub-folder or file), so the above error.
  
  oem@u64:~$ ls -l .synaptic
  total 4
  -rw-rw-r-- 1 oem oem   0 Aug 25 11:19 options
  -rw-rw-r-- 1 oem oem 236 Aug 25 11:19 synaptic.conf
  
  oem@u64:~$ ls -l /var/lib/apt/lists/
  
  -rw-r- 1 root root0 Sep 20 06:36 lock
  drwx-- 2 _apt root16384 Sep 24 15:25 partial
  ..
  
  oem@u64:~$ sudo ls -l /var/lib/update-notifier/package-data-downloads/
  .
  drwxr-xr-x 2 _apt root 4096 Sep 22 23:33 partial
  
- 
  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 16.04
  Package: synaptic 0.82+build1
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 4.3.0-1.10-generic 4.3.0
  Uname: Linux 4.3.0-1-generic x86_64
  NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia
  ApportVersion: 2.19.2-0ubuntu8
  Architecture: amd64
  CurrentDesktop: GNOME
  Date: Fri Dec  4 05:23:25 2015
  SourcePackage: synaptic
  UpgradeStatus: No upgrade log present (probably fresh install)

** Changed in: synaptic (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Medium => Low

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Title:
  Warning messages about unsandboxed downloads

Status in apt package in Ubuntu:
  Fix Released
Status in aptitude package in Ubuntu:
  Fix Released
Status in synaptic package in Ubuntu:
  Triaged
Status in update-notifier package in Ubuntu:
  Fix Released
Status in apt package in Debian:
  Fix Released
Status in aptitude package in Debian:
  Fix Released
Status in synaptic package in Debian:
  New

Bug description:
  READ ME FIRST
  =
  This is a cosmetic issue. The warning message is just that— a warning. Though 
the message comes up, there is no problem with the install/upgrade happening 
like normal. That said, feel free to ignore it. It will get fixed, but it's 
nowhere near as urgent as bugs that actually result in the wrong behavior 
rather than just a simple extra message.

  ---

  Recently we got new versions for synaptic 0.82+build1 & apt 1.1.3, but
  now get that error when installing/upgrading some packages:

  Setting up libc6-dbg:amd64 (2.21-0ubuntu5) ...
  Processing triggers for libc-bin (2.21-0ubuntu5) ...
  W: Can't drop privileges for downloading as file 
'/root/.synaptic/tmp//tmp_cl' couldn't be accessed by user '_apt'. - 
pkgAcquire::Run (13: Permission denied)

  From nautilus, i'm seeing a /root/ folder locked (x on its icon) and
  the folder is empty (no /.synaptic/ sub-folder or file), so the above
  error.

  oem@u64:~$ ls -l .synaptic
  total 4
  -rw-rw-r-- 1 oem oem   0 Aug 25 11:19 options
  -rw-rw-r-- 1 oem oem 236 Aug 25 11:19 synaptic.conf

  oem@u64:~$ ls -l /var/lib/apt/lists/
  
  -rw-r- 1 root root0 Sep 20 06:36 lock
  drwx-- 2 _apt root16384 Sep 24 15:25 partial
  ..

  oem@u64:~$ sudo ls -l /var/lib/update-notifier/package-data-downloads/
  .
  drwxr-xr-x 2 _apt root 4096 Sep 22 23:33 partial

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 16.04
  Package: synaptic 0.82+build1
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 4.3.0-1.10-generic 4.3.0
  Uname: Linux 4.3.0-1-generic x86_64
  NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia
  ApportVersion: 2.19.2-0ubuntu8
  Architecture: amd64
  CurrentDesktop: GNOME
  Date: Fri Dec  4 05:23:25 2015
  SourcePackage: synaptic
  UpgradeStatus: No upgrade log present (probably fresh install)

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[Lubuntu-admins] [Bug 1754874] Re: 'xterm+thai' via 'ctrl+alt+t' in Lubuntu Bionic

[Walter Lapchynski]

*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 1752733 ***
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1752733

** This bug has been marked a duplicate of bug 1752733
   xiterm+thai is installed and set to x-terminal-emulator

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Title:
  'xterm+thai' via 'ctrl+alt+t' in Lubuntu Bionic

Status in lubuntu-meta package in Ubuntu:
  New

Bug description:
  I get 'xterm+thai' via 'ctrl+alt+t' in Lubuntu Bionic. But the good
  old LXterminal is available via the menu. And LXterminal works much
  better with various languages, for example Swedish.

  This bug affects the live session as well as installed systems in
  Lubuntu.

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 18.04
  Package: lubuntu-desktop 0.92
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 4.15.0-10.11-generic 4.15.3
  Uname: Linux 4.15.0-10-generic x86_64
  ApportVersion: 2.20.8-0ubuntu10
  Architecture: amd64
  CasperVersion: 1.389
  CurrentDesktop: LXDE
  Date: Sat Mar 10 18:26:53 2018
  LiveMediaBuild: Lubuntu 18.04 LTS "Bionic Beaver" - Alpha amd64 (20180310)
  ProcEnviron:
   TERM=xterm-256color
   PATH=(custom, no user)
   XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=
   LANG=sv_SE.UTF-8
   SHELL=/bin/bash
  SourcePackage: lubuntu-meta
  UpgradeStatus: No upgrade log present (probably fresh install)

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[Lubuntu-admins] [Bug 1754174] Re: [Lubuntu] "Install Lubuntu" fails with several commands not found and permission denied

[Walter Lapchynski]

Adam, I'm curious about your Python statement. This only fails when
running Ubiquity directly from GRUB. Loading the live system and then
running Ubiquity works fine. Also, Ubiquity fails to fail for any other
flavours.

Things start going south in syslog here:

Mar  7 21:40:40 lubuntu ubiquity[1244]: switched to page partman
Mar  7 21:40:44 lubuntu ubiquity: /bin/autopartition: 292: /bin/autopartition:
Mar  7 21:40:44 lubuntu ubiquity: pvs: not found
Mar  7 21:40:44 lubuntu ubiquity: 
Mar  7 21:40:47 lubuntu ubiquity[1244]: debconffilter_done: ubi-partman 
(current: ubi-partman)
Mar  7 21:40:47 lubuntu ubiquity[1244]: Step_before = stepPartAsk

On a successful install from the live system we find a little bit
different behavior:

Mar 11 01:58:43 lubuntu ubiquity[2161]: switched to page partman
Mar 11 01:58:55 lubuntu ubiquity[2161]: debconffilter_done: ubi-partman 
(current: ubi-partman)
Mar 11 01:58:55 lubuntu ubiquity[2161]: Step_before = stepPartAsk

Noting that /bin/autopartition is a script, I went looking for line 292,
but it wasn't there. It does, however source several other scripts in
/lib/partman/lib. Looking for only files with a line number 292 that
includes "pvs" in it, I found:

lib/lvm-base.sh:if $(pvs --noheadings --nosuffix -o pv_name |
grep -q "$device"); then

Seems like pvs is a variable created from enumerating the partman
devices and looking for ones with lvm method.

I'm not sure what this all means yet, but this sure is weird.

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Title:
  [Lubuntu] "Install Lubuntu" fails with several commands not found and
  permission denied

Status in ubiquity package in Ubuntu:
  Confirmed

Bug description:
  Test Case:
  1. Boot Lubuntu Desktop
  2. On the boot menu select "Install Ubuntu"
  3. In ubiquity proceed with the installation and keep the default settings 

  
  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 18.04
  Package: ubiquity 18.04.3
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 4.15.0-10.11-generic 4.15.3
  Uname: Linux 4.15.0-10-generic x86_64
  ApportVersion: 2.20.8-0ubuntu10
  Architecture: amd64
  CasperVersion: 1.389
  Date: Wed Mar  7 21:42:12 2018
  InstallCmdLine: file=/cdrom/preseed/lubuntu.seed boot=casper only-ubiquity 
initrd=/casper/initrd.lz quiet splash ---
  JournalErrors:
   Error: command ['journalctl', '-b', '--priority=err', '--lines=1000'] failed 
with exit code 1: Hint: You are currently not seeing messages from other users 
and the system.
     Users in groups 'adm', 'systemd-journal' can see all messages.
     Pass -q to turn off this notice.
   No journal files were opened due to insufficient permissions.
  LiveMediaBuild: Lubuntu 18.04 LTS "Bionic Beaver" - Alpha amd64 (20180306.1)
  ProcEnviron:
   LANGUAGE=en_US.UTF-8
   PATH=(custom, no user)
   XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=
   LANG=en_US.UTF-8
   LC_NUMERIC=C.UTF-8
  SourcePackage: ubiquity
  UpgradeStatus: No upgrade log present (probably fresh install)

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