Re: References and Umlaute

2018-07-06 Thread Wolfgang Engelmann




Am 06.07.2018 um 15:09 schrieb Jürgen Spitzmüller:

Am Freitag, den 06.07.2018, 14:43 +0200 schrieb Wolfgang Engelmann:

Joel, thanks for letting us know your experience, but in my case it
would have been a lot of work to use your proposal, since it is a
German
article with many Umlaute in the references.

I don't use JabRef, but in most BibTeX editors, it is possible to
specify "Ascii" encoding, which would automatically do this
transformation for you.

Jürgen


Cheers,
Wolfgang

Thanks, Jürgen.


Re: References and Umlaute

2018-07-06 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Am Freitag, den 06.07.2018, 14:43 +0200 schrieb Wolfgang Engelmann:
> Joel, thanks for letting us know your experience, but in my case it 
> would have been a lot of work to use your proposal, since it is a
> German 
> article with many Umlaute in the references.

I don't use JabRef, but in most BibTeX editors, it is possible to
specify "Ascii" encoding, which would automatically do this
transformation for you.

Jürgen

> Cheers,
> Wolfgang
> 

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Re: References and Umlaute

2018-07-06 Thread Wolfgang Engelmann




Am 06.07.2018 um 14:39 schrieb Jürgen Spitzmüller:

Am Freitag, den 06.07.2018, 06:22 -0600 schrieb Joel Kulesza:

However, in the future I’ll avoid contributing my personal
experiences.

Please don't do that!

Jürgen


Joel
Joel, thanks for letting us know your experience, but in my case it 
would have been a lot of work to use your proposal, since it is a German 
article with many Umlaute in the references.

Cheers,
Wolfgang



Re: References and Umlaute

2018-07-06 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Am Freitag, den 06.07.2018, 06:22 -0600 schrieb Joel Kulesza:
> However, in the future I’ll avoid contributing my personal
> experiences. 

Please don't do that!

Jürgen

> 
> Joel

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Re: References and Umlaute

2018-07-06 Thread Joel Kulesza



> On Jul 6, 2018, at 00:49, Jürgen Spitzmüller  wrote:
> 
> Am Donnerstag, den 05.07.2018, 11:27 -0600 schrieb Joel Kulesza:
>> To add to what was said. I only use JabRef with LyX/LaTeX and have
>> generally had better luck specifying accent marks using LaTeX
>> commands rather than Unicode characters. 
> 
> We're in the 21st century. Even BibTeX (BibTeX8) understands 8-bib
> encodings now. Such things shouldn't be necessary if you set up things
> right.
> 
> Jürgen
> 
>> 
>> Sorry for formatting, on mobile. 
>> 
>> Joel

I made no claim that this was necessary or ideal. However, in the future I’ll 
avoid contributing my personal experiences. 

Joel

Re: References and Umlaute

2018-07-05 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Am Donnerstag, den 05.07.2018, 11:27 -0600 schrieb Joel Kulesza:
> To add to what was said. I only use JabRef with LyX/LaTeX and have
> generally had better luck specifying accent marks using LaTeX
> commands rather than Unicode characters. 

We're in the 21st century. Even BibTeX (BibTeX8) understands 8-bib
encodings now. Such things shouldn't be necessary if you set up things
right.

Jürgen

> 
> Sorry for formatting, on mobile. 
> 
> Joel

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Re: References and Umlaute

2018-07-05 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Am Donnerstag, den 05.07.2018, 19:13 +0200 schrieb Wolfgang Engelmann:
>  There is only one bib file (it contains -although- the content of
> two different bib files) which I produced by using the aux file and
> jabref. I have now set both the bib file and the lyx file to ISO-
> 8859-15, but it is still mixed. Should I have taken UTF-8 for both?

It suppose the encoding got corrupted while merging the two files. You
need to fix the respective entries manually.

> The output of the lyx run is:
> Underfull \hbox (badness 1237) in paragraph at lines 36--36
> []\T1/lmr/m/n/10.95 (+20) B�nning E (1977) Die phys-i-ol-o-gis-
>  []
> ! Package inputenc Error: Keyboard character used is undefined
> (inputenc)in inputencoding `latin1'.
> See the inputenc package documentation for explanation.
> Type  H   for immediate help.
>  ...   
> I am not sure where the inputencoding `latin1' is found in lyx.
> Should this also be changed to ISO-8859-15 resp. UTF-8?

latin1 = ISO-8859-1

that's almost the same as 

latin9 = ISO-8859-15

Jürgen

> 
> Wolfgang
> 

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Re: References and Umlaute

2018-07-05 Thread Bernt Lie
In the JabRef field, I would use LaTeX code, e.g:

G{\"u}nther

Use double quote " . Avoid two apostrophes '' ; avoid two backticks `` ...

B

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From: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org  on behalf of Joel 
Kulesza 
Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2018 7:27:45 PM
To: Jürgen Spitzmüller
Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Subject: Re: References and Umlaute



> On Jul 5, 2018, at 09:46, Jürgen Spitzmüller  wrote:
>
> Am Donnerstag, den 05.07.2018, 16:39 +0200 schrieb Wolfgang Engelmann:
>> I have difficulties with Umlaute in my references (see appended
>> shot).
>
> This looks like one of your bib databases has a different encoding than
> the LyX file.  Looks like the LyX file and at least one bib file (with
> the correct "Bünning" entry) uses ISO-8859-15 and the other(s) (with
> the misrepresented ü) utf8.
>
> Assure the encodings match.
>
>> With biblatex it says
>> Accessing a database via biblatex is almost identical to BibTeX: Use
>> the menu Insert->List/TOC->Bib(la)TeX Bibliography. In contrary to
>> BibTeX you cannot select a style file.
>> But I would like to use a special style file. So biblatex is
>> apparently not an alternative.
>
> No, you misunderstood. You cannot select a style file in Insert-
>> List/TOC->Bib(la)TeX Bibliography. You need to do that in Document >
> Settings > Bibliography.
>
> This is explained just in the next paragraph following the passage you
> quoted.
>
> Jürgen
>
>> Any idea what to do?
>> Wolfgang

To add to what was said. I only use JabRef with LyX/LaTeX and have generally 
had better luck specifying accent marks using LaTeX commands rather than 
Unicode characters.

Sorry for formatting, on mobile.

Joel


Re: References and Umlaute

2018-07-05 Thread Wolfgang Engelmann




Am 05.07.2018 um 19:27 schrieb Joel Kulesza:



On Jul 5, 2018, at 09:46, Jürgen Spitzmüller  wrote:

Am Donnerstag, den 05.07.2018, 16:39 +0200 schrieb Wolfgang Engelmann:

I have difficulties with Umlaute in my references (see appended
shot).

This looks like one of your bib databases has a different encoding than
the LyX file.  Looks like the LyX file and at least one bib file (with
the correct "Bünning" entry) uses ISO-8859-15 and the other(s) (with
the misrepresented ü) utf8.

Assure the encodings match.


With biblatex it says
Accessing a database via biblatex is almost identical to BibTeX: Use
the menu Insert->List/TOC->Bib(la)TeX Bibliography. In contrary to
BibTeX you cannot select a style file.
But I would like to use a special style file. So biblatex is
apparently not an alternative.

No, you misunderstood. You cannot select a style file in Insert-

List/TOC->Bib(la)TeX Bibliography. You need to do that in Document >

Settings > Bibliography.

This is explained just in the next paragraph following the passage you
quoted.

Jürgen


Any idea what to do?
Wolfgang

To add to what was said. I only use JabRef with LyX/LaTeX and have generally 
had better luck specifying accent marks using LaTeX commands rather than 
Unicode characters.

Sorry for formatting, on mobile.

Joel
Thanks, Joel, but that would mean a lot of writing, since I have many 
German references.

What I do not understand is, that the reference seems to be ok:
Article (Buenning1929b) Bünning, E. Über die thermonastischen und 
thigmonastischen Blütenbewegungen Planta, 1929, 8, 698-716


and same with the bibtex source:
@Article{Buenning1929b,
  author    = {Bünning, E.},
  title = {\"{U}ber die thermonastischen und thigmonastischen 
{B}lütenbewegungen},

  journal   = {Planta},
  year  = {1929},
  volume    = {8},
  pages = {698-716},
  __markedentry = {[we:]},
  owner = {matrox-suse},
}
but the pdf output is still queer
Wolfgang


Re: References and Umlaute

2018-07-05 Thread Joel Kulesza



> On Jul 5, 2018, at 09:46, Jürgen Spitzmüller  wrote:
> 
> Am Donnerstag, den 05.07.2018, 16:39 +0200 schrieb Wolfgang Engelmann:
>> I have difficulties with Umlaute in my references (see appended
>> shot). 
> 
> This looks like one of your bib databases has a different encoding than
> the LyX file.  Looks like the LyX file and at least one bib file (with
> the correct "Bünning" entry) uses ISO-8859-15 and the other(s) (with
> the misrepresented ü) utf8.
> 
> Assure the encodings match.
> 
>> With biblatex it says
>> Accessing a database via biblatex is almost identical to BibTeX: Use
>> the menu Insert->List/TOC->Bib(la)TeX Bibliography. In contrary to
>> BibTeX you cannot select a style file. 
>> But I would like to use a special style file. So biblatex is
>> apparently not an alternative.
> 
> No, you misunderstood. You cannot select a style file in Insert-
>> List/TOC->Bib(la)TeX Bibliography. You need to do that in Document >
> Settings > Bibliography.
> 
> This is explained just in the next paragraph following the passage you
> quoted.
> 
> Jürgen
> 
>> Any idea what to do?
>> Wolfgang

To add to what was said. I only use JabRef with LyX/LaTeX and have generally 
had better luck specifying accent marks using LaTeX commands rather than 
Unicode characters. 

Sorry for formatting, on mobile. 

Joel

Re: References and Umlaute

2018-07-05 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Am Donnerstag, den 05.07.2018, 16:39 +0200 schrieb Wolfgang Engelmann:
> I have difficulties with Umlaute in my references (see appended
> shot). 

This looks like one of your bib databases has a different encoding than
the LyX file.  Looks like the LyX file and at least one bib file (with
the correct "Bünning" entry) uses ISO-8859-15 and the other(s) (with
the misrepresented ü) utf8.

Assure the encodings match.

> With biblatex it says
> Accessing a database via biblatex is almost identical to BibTeX: Use
> the menu Insert->List/TOC->Bib(la)TeX Bibliography. In contrary to
> BibTeX you cannot select a style file. 
> But I would like to use a special style file. So biblatex is
> apparently not an alternative.

No, you misunderstood. You cannot select a style file in Insert-
>List/TOC->Bib(la)TeX Bibliography. You need to do that in Document >
Settings > Bibliography.

This is explained just in the next paragraph following the passage you
quoted.

Jürgen

> Any idea what to do?
> Wolfgang

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References and Umlaute

2018-07-05 Thread Wolfgang Engelmann
I have difficulties with Umlaute in my references (see appended shot). I 
use Jabref 3.8.1 as a reference manager and Lyx 2.3.0, Debian stretch.


Perhaps the newest Jabref can handle it, but I can't install it:

we@wolfgang-Mr-Whisper-Ultra-SSD-II:~$ sudo apt install openjfx
Paketlisten werden gelesen... Fertig
Abhängigkeitsbaum wird aufgebaut.
Statusinformationen werden eingelesen Fertig
openjfx ist schon die neueste Version (8u141-b14-3~deb9u1).
0 aktualisiert, 0 neu installiert, 0 zu entfernen und 7 nicht aktualisiert.
Sie haben neue Post in /var/mail/we.
we@wolfgang-Mr-Whisper-Ultra-SSD-II:~$ java -jar JabRef-4.3.1.jar
Error: Unable to access jarfile JabRef-4.3.1.jar
we@wolfgang-Mr-Whisper-Ultra-SSD-II:~$

With biblatex it says

Accessing a database via biblatex is almost identical to BibTeX: Use the 
menu Insert->List/TOC->Bib(la)TeX Bibliography. *In contrary to BibTeX 
you cannot select a style file*.


But I would like to use a special style file. So biblatex is apparently 
not an alternative.


Any idea what to do?

Wolfgang