Re: iPhone 5c versus 5s

[Ian McNamara]

I have the five s and compared to the 4s it's quicker for sure. I find the 5s 
loads things up instantly and is a lot faster than the 4s I have not really 
played with a 5c so can't comment. I'd go for the faster processor though and 
go for the 5s.

Ian McNamara
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"Authentication has no window" When Installing an app

[Parham Doustdar]

Hi all,

When I wanted to install Proxifier (using its .pkg installation 
package), at the very end, OSX would ask me for a password. If I tried 
to navigate in this window or waited too much, I would hear 
"Authentication busy". If i would alt-tab away and back, I would hear 
"Authentication has no window".


How can I fix this issue with having no window? The only way I found the 
last time was to restart my system, as Voiceover didn't recognize other 
windows and nothing worked. Even when I left-clicked, Voiceover would 
say "Apple menu", but when I would press any of the arrow keys, I would 
just hear the voice effect of hitting a boundary.


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Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

[Ian McNamara]

Hi thanks for the heads up, please keep us updated when the system is suitable 
for voice over users to upgrade to.

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" busy" - why does it happen?

[Parham Doustdar]

Hi all,

When in iTunes, Airport utility, or even in VLC player when 
fast-forwarding using command-option-right arrow, I would hear 
" busy", like "iTunes busy".


Why does this happen? In some cases, it makes the application unusable 
until I close it and reopen it (it mostly happens in iTunes).


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Re: Mail isn't saying "unread".

[Ben J Bloomgren]

Note to all you guys,

I am so sorry for all the bounced messages from incorrect accounts. I have 
multiple email addresses, so I often am sitting on other accounts. I’m much 
more vigilant about this now, and it shouldn’t happen again from here on out.

I agree that it’s not a great solution on another note, but it does indeed 
work. Man, Persistent Pete don’t take no for an answer, does he? :) ;) LOL!

Ben
On Oct 22, 2013, at 10:36 PM, Christopher Gilland  
wrote:

> OK guys, you may not like this, but I did find out a work around.
> 
> If in Mail, you go to preferences, command+Comma, then go to the fviewing 
> tab, then check the box to use classic mode, it then seems to announce unread 
> messages at that point.
> 
> So far that is the only work around I’ve found to be 100% consistent.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> On Oct 23, 2013, at 1:31 AM, Christopher Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
>> OK, this is really bizarre.  I looked in the view menu under the message 
>> attributes sub menu, and flags is checked, although it’s dimmed, for some 
>> weird reason.
>> 
>> Any thoughts?
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> On Oct 23, 2013, at 1:29 AM, Christopher Gilland  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I’m looking, but so far I’ve not found anything, Ben.  If anyone does, 
>>> please let us both know.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> On Oct 23, 2013, at 1:27 AM, Ben J Bloomgren  wrote:
>>> 
 Hey All,
 
 I’m really liking OSX Mavericks. Voiceover seems to be ever so subtly 
 snappier. I’m having a very slight issue in mail, which is confirmation of 
 what Christopher Gilland has already said. When I’m in the new messages 
 area of Mail, I’ll locate a message to determine whether or not I want to 
 read it. Formerly, Voiceover would say, “Unread, Joey Bird; Why do I like 
 birds?” The punctuation is not reflexive of what actually happens. I just 
 used it to create pauses in speech. Now, in Mavericks, that flag doesn’t 
 appear, and Voiceover reads everything except the read/unread status of 
 the message. Is there a way to reenable that flag?
 
 Thanks,
 
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Re: Mail isn't saying "unread".

[Christopher Gilland]

OK guys, you may not like this, but I did find out a work around.

If in Mail, you go to preferences, command+Comma, then go to the fviewing tab, 
then check the box to use classic mode, it then seems to announce unread 
messages at that point.

So far that is the only work around I’ve found to be 100% consistent.

Chris.

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wrote:

> OK, this is really bizarre.  I looked in the view menu under the message 
> attributes sub menu, and flags is checked, although it’s dimmed, for some 
> weird reason.
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> Chris.
> 
> On Oct 23, 2013, at 1:29 AM, Christopher Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
>> I’m looking, but so far I’ve not found anything, Ben.  If anyone does, 
>> please let us both know.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> On Oct 23, 2013, at 1:27 AM, Ben J Bloomgren  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey All,
>>> 
>>> I’m really liking OSX Mavericks. Voiceover seems to be ever so subtly 
>>> snappier. I’m having a very slight issue in mail, which is confirmation of 
>>> what Christopher Gilland has already said. When I’m in the new messages 
>>> area of Mail, I’ll locate a message to determine whether or not I want to 
>>> read it. Formerly, Voiceover would say, “Unread, Joey Bird; Why do I like 
>>> birds?” The punctuation is not reflexive of what actually happens. I just 
>>> used it to create pauses in speech. Now, in Mavericks, that flag doesn’t 
>>> appear, and Voiceover reads everything except the read/unread status of the 
>>> message. Is there a way to reenable that flag?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
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Re: Mail isn't saying "unread".

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OK, this is really bizarre.  I looked in the view menu under the message 
attributes sub menu, and flags is checked, although it’s dimmed, for some weird 
reason.

Any thoughts?

Chris.

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wrote:

> I’m looking, but so far I’ve not found anything, Ben.  If anyone does, please 
> let us both know.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> On Oct 23, 2013, at 1:27 AM, Ben J Bloomgren  wrote:
> 
>> Hey All,
>> 
>> I’m really liking OSX Mavericks. Voiceover seems to be ever so subtly 
>> snappier. I’m having a very slight issue in mail, which is confirmation of 
>> what Christopher Gilland has already said. When I’m in the new messages area 
>> of Mail, I’ll locate a message to determine whether or not I want to read 
>> it. Formerly, Voiceover would say, “Unread, Joey Bird; Why do I like birds?” 
>> The punctuation is not reflexive of what actually happens. I just used it to 
>> create pauses in speech. Now, in Mavericks, that flag doesn’t appear, and 
>> Voiceover reads everything except the read/unread status of the message. Is 
>> there a way to reenable that flag?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
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Re: Mail isn't saying "unread".

[Christopher Gilland]

I’m looking, but so far I’ve not found anything, Ben.  If anyone does, please 
let us both know.

Chris.

On Oct 23, 2013, at 1:27 AM, Ben J Bloomgren  wrote:

> Hey All,
> 
> I’m really liking OSX Mavericks. Voiceover seems to be ever so subtly 
> snappier. I’m having a very slight issue in mail, which is confirmation of 
> what Christopher Gilland has already said. When I’m in the new messages area 
> of Mail, I’ll locate a message to determine whether or not I want to read it. 
> Formerly, Voiceover would say, “Unread, Joey Bird; Why do I like birds?” The 
> punctuation is not reflexive of what actually happens. I just used it to 
> create pauses in speech. Now, in Mavericks, that flag doesn’t appear, and 
> Voiceover reads everything except the read/unread status of the message. Is 
> there a way to reenable that flag?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
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Mail isn't saying "unread".

[Ben J Bloomgren]

Hey All,

I’m really liking OSX Mavericks. Voiceover seems to be ever so subtly snappier. 
I’m having a very slight issue in mail, which is confirmation of what 
Christopher Gilland has already said. When I’m in the new messages area of 
Mail, I’ll locate a message to determine whether or not I want to read it. 
Formerly, Voiceover would say, “Unread, Joey Bird; Why do I like birds?” The 
punctuation is not reflexive of what actually happens. I just used it to create 
pauses in speech. Now, in Mavericks, that flag doesn’t appear, and Voiceover 
reads everything except the read/unread status of the message. Is there a way 
to reenable that flag?

Thanks,

Ben
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Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

[Christopher Gilland]

OK Coolness.  I just wanted to be sure.

Chris.

On Oct 23, 2013, at 12:41 AM, Zachary Kline  wrote:

> Hi Chris,
> I went into the Purchases tab and redownloaded from there, I suspect it’s 
> pretty much comparable to what you did.
> Best,
> Zack.
> On Oct 22, 2013, at 9:29 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>  wrote:
> 
>> I'm wonderring if I took the correct steps to update from my GM to the 
>> official release, being that I'm seeing some odd behaviors here and there. 
>> It's nothing major, definitely not, but it's enough to make me kind a wonder.
>> 
>> What I personally did was I went to software update from within the GM, and 
>> then hit command+5 for updates.  I didn't see anything for Mavericks, so I 
>> then went back to the search box in my toolbar with command+F, then typed in 
>> Maverick, and the first result that popped up was it.  I then hit the 
>> download button, and then proceeded as usual.
>> 
>> I'm wonderring if I should have not necessarily repartitioned and 
>> reformatted, God forbid, but maybe I still should have reinstalled from the 
>> recovery partition.  I'm just wonderring what is the best way to update from 
>> a seed or a GM to the real thing, just so I'll know for the future.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
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>> - Original Message - From: "Bryan Jones" 
>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 9:30 PM
>> Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit
>> 
>> 
>>> Sorry Esther, the keystroke does not seem to recognize threads, and there 
>>> seems to be no delay after pressing option+arrow. The focus immediately 
>>> moves to the top or bottom message in the current mailbox.
>>> 
>>> I am running the GM, so this behavior may be different in today’s public 
>>> release.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Bryan
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 22, 2013, at 7:17 PM, Esther  wrote:
 That's great news.  Does this work the same way it used to? By that I mean 
 that you can use this to navigate threads (conversations) as well as your 
 entire mailbox to go to the first or last message, by holding down the 
 Option+Up or Down arrow key for a short time.
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Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Yeah, I don't wanna veer off topic, so I'll close that IPad discussion on 
this thread now while it's incredibly young, but yeah, I got a 4th gen, and 
also a mini, and don't know how I ever lived without 'em.  I can't wait! to 
see the new IPad Air that was announced.


Anyway, again, we're getting off base, so I'll end it here... LOL!  Smile.

Chris.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Zachary Kline" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 12:25 AM
Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit


I have an iPad mini. It’s a great little device.
Best,
Zack.
On Oct 22, 2013, at 9:23 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:



OK, I'll make sure I have it set that way.

BTW, saw your signature, Sent from my IPad.  Which model have you got?  I 
love! mine!


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- Original Message - From: "Zachary Kline" 
To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 8:46 PM
Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit


The default for new documents seems to be wrap to page, which you don't 
want. Yo no you have it on the right setting when it tells you that 
you've activated wrapp to  window.


Sent from my iPad

On Oct 22, 2013, at 5:39 PM, Christopher Gilland 
 wrote:


So, do we want wrap to Window, or wrap to page?

Chris.

On Oct 22, 2013, at 8:33 PM, Zachary Kline  
wrote:


This is a known issue.
WIt has to do with one particular setting, “Wrap to Page,” which you 
can toggle off by hitting cmd-shift-w.

Best,
Zack.
On Oct 22, 2013, at 5:31 PM, Josh Gregory  
wrote:


Has anybody noticed that text edit seems to lose focus easily in 
documents?


Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 22, 2013, at 8:19 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
 wrote:


I guess now that we're no longer on NDA, I will say I agree with 
Zack. I too, found that the testing cycle was not exactly the 
smoothest.  As I recall, there was even  one seed, I wanna say #3 if 
I remember correctly, that was so broken, it didn't even boot.


Anyway... yeah.

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- Original Message - From: "Zachary Kline" 


To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit



Hi,
Yes, I am, And have been for several months. The testing process has 
not been as smooth as in past releases, but I trust that things will 
eventually settle down. I just thought I should get the note out 
there, before some people upgraded and started panicking when iBooks 
didn't work as well as it could. :-)

All the best,
Zack.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:36 PM, Michael Marshall 
 wrote:


thanks zack,
are you using the new update?
On 23/10/2013, at 7:25 AM, Zachary Kline  
wrote:


Hi Mike,
A few, but nothing huge. I’m more curious to see what happens with 
the new iWork apps, in which I suspect many of our accessibility 
issues have been addressed.

Best,
Zack.
On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Mike Arrigo  
wrote:


Are there any new voiceover features?
Original message:

Hi All,


Now that OS X 10.9, AKA Mavericks, has finally entered public 
release, it is acceptable to mention it on this list without 
violating the NDA. :) That being said, I want to gently suggest 
that VoiceOver users wait to upgrade for a little while, as 
there are still some issues unresolved from the accessibility 
testing process.
While I personally do not consider any of these game breaking, 
per se, they are significant enough to cause some confusion and 
annoyance. I suggest just waiting until at least the first 
general update to the system before committing yourself. In 
particular, iBooks accessibility is not all that might be 
hoped-for. It is being actively worked on, and will be improved 
in the coming weeks.

Warmest regards,
Zack.
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Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

[Zachary Kline]

Hi Chris,
I went into the Purchases tab and redownloaded from there, I suspect it’s 
pretty much comparable to what you did.
Best,
Zack.
On Oct 22, 2013, at 9:29 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:

> I'm wonderring if I took the correct steps to update from my GM to the 
> official release, being that I'm seeing some odd behaviors here and there. 
> It's nothing major, definitely not, but it's enough to make me kind a wonder.
> 
> What I personally did was I went to software update from within the GM, and 
> then hit command+5 for updates.  I didn't see anything for Mavericks, so I 
> then went back to the search box in my toolbar with command+F, then typed in 
> Maverick, and the first result that popped up was it.  I then hit the 
> download button, and then proceeded as usual.
> 
> I'm wonderring if I should have not necessarily repartitioned and 
> reformatted, God forbid, but maybe I still should have reinstalled from the 
> recovery partition.  I'm just wonderring what is the best way to update from 
> a seed or a GM to the real thing, just so I'll know for the future.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> 
> Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded.
> 
> http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland
> 
> For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow me 
> on Twitter.
> 
> http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic
> - Original Message - From: "Bryan Jones" 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 9:30 PM
> Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit
> 
> 
>> Sorry Esther, the keystroke does not seem to recognize threads, and there 
>> seems to be no delay after pressing option+arrow. The focus immediately 
>> moves to the top or bottom message in the current mailbox.
>> 
>> I am running the GM, so this behavior may be different in today’s public 
>> release.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Bryan
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 22, 2013, at 7:17 PM, Esther  wrote:
>>> That's great news.  Does this work the same way it used to? By that I mean 
>>> that you can use this to navigate threads (conversations) as well as your 
>>> entire mailbox to go to the first or last message, by holding down the 
>>> Option+Up or Down arrow key for a short time.
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Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Well, the short answer is, no.  The long answer is, yes, and, no.

Yes, I would update, if your mac supports it, which if you got it in the 
last year or two, it definitely! beyond a doubt should.  As for it 
interfering with ML updates, neh...  You'll be fine.  At least, for the time 
being.  That's kind of where the yes and no comes into play.  Yes, you'll be 
fine for now.  No, you won't be fine in the long run down the road.  I mean, 
it'll probably take a year to a year and a half before ML updates are no 
longer downloadable, however, that's quite a ways in the future.  If you 
don't feel comfortable upgrading, you have two options, either wait it out, 
or call my company, and for $5 via PayPal we'll assist you or anyone else 
with the installation who may need some help along the way, or just want 
someone experienced to look over their shoulder whilst they do it.


We're open Mon-Fri from 8:00AM to 5:00PM, and closed on weekends and 
holidays.


704-256-0067, and choose the option for Tech Support.

Again though, not trying to make a sales pitch, it's just an option I wanted 
to throw at you.  Honestly, there is no reason per sé that says you *have!* 
to update, although personally, I would highly recommend it, myself.


Chris.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Linda C. Knight" 

To: "'Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility'" 
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 9:36 PM
Subject: RE: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit





I am wondering if I need to update to the mavricks?

Is it necessary?

WouIf I don't update to Mavricks, would this interfere with updates to
Mountain Lion?

Or, will there be updates to Mountain Lion.

Being a new mac user, I would appreciate any tips on this.

Thanks.


Hugs and 73
Linda C. Knight & shirley
CallSign: kk4hrg
Please note email:
l...@tampabay.rr.com


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Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

[Zachary Kline]

I have an iPad mini. It’s a great little device.
Best,
Zack.
On Oct 22, 2013, at 9:23 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:

> OK, I'll make sure I have it set that way.
> 
> BTW, saw your signature, Sent from my IPad.  Which model have you got?  I 
> love! mine!
> 
> Chris.
> 
> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
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> - Original Message - From: "Zachary Kline" 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 8:46 PM
> Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit
> 
> 
>> The default for new documents seems to be wrap to page, which you don't 
>> want. Yo no you have it on the right setting when it tells you that you've 
>> activated wrapp to  window.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Oct 22, 2013, at 5:39 PM, Christopher Gilland  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So, do we want wrap to Window, or wrap to page?
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
 On Oct 22, 2013, at 8:33 PM, Zachary Kline  wrote:
 
 This is a known issue.
 WIt has to do with one particular setting, “Wrap to Page,” which you can 
 toggle off by hitting cmd-shift-w.
 Best,
 Zack.
> On Oct 22, 2013, at 5:31 PM, Josh Gregory  wrote:
> 
> Has anybody noticed that text edit seems to lose focus easily in 
> documents?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 22, 2013, at 8:19 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I guess now that we're no longer on NDA, I will say I agree with Zack. I 
>> too, found that the testing cycle was not exactly the smoothest.  As I 
>> recall, there was even  one seed, I wanna say #3 if I remember 
>> correctly, that was so broken, it didn't even boot.
>> 
>> Anyway... yeah.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> 
>> Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded.
>> 
>> http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland
>> 
>> For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to 
>> follow me on Twitter.
>> 
>> http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic
>> - Original Message - From: "Zachary Kline" 
>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:41 PM
>> Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> Yes, I am, And have been for several months. The testing process has 
>>> not been as smooth as in past releases, but I trust that things will 
>>> eventually settle down. I just thought I should get the note out there, 
>>> before some people upgraded and started panicking when iBooks didn't 
>>> work as well as it could. :-)
>>> All the best,
>>> Zack.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:36 PM, Michael Marshall 
  wrote:
 
 thanks zack,
 are you using the new update?
> On 23/10/2013, at 7:25 AM, Zachary Kline  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mike,
> A few, but nothing huge. I’m more curious to see what happens with 
> the new iWork apps, in which I suspect many of our accessibility 
> issues have been addressed.
> Best,
> Zack.
>> On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> 
>> Are there any new voiceover features?
>> Original message:
>>> Hi All,
>> 
>>> Now that OS X 10.9, AKA Mavericks, has finally entered public 
>>> release, it is acceptable to mention it on this list without 
>>> violating the NDA. :) That being said, I want to gently suggest 
>>> that VoiceOver users wait to upgrade for a little while, as there 
>>> are still some issues unresolved from the accessibility testing 
>>> process.
>>> While I personally do not consider any of these game breaking, per 
>>> se, they are significant enough to cause some confusion and 
>>> annoyance. I suggest just waiting until at least the first general 
>>> update to the system before committing yourself. In particular, 
>>> iBooks accessibility is not all that might be hoped-for. It is 
>>> being actively worked on, and will be improved in the coming weeks.
>>> Warmest regards,
>>> Zack.
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Re: VO+L: OH Bizarre!

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I actually may have figured part of it out, though I still am confused why 
this happened to start with.  I didn't realize that that particular system 
was still on the Gold Master.  I'm in the process of updating it now.  My 
mini which now is on the official release isn't having this problem, so, I'm 
thinking something might a broke in the GM.


Let me get this MacBook Pro updated, then I'll report my findings regarding 
this issue.


Chris.


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on Twitter.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Zachary Kline" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: VO+L: OH Bizarre!


Hi Chri,s
I’m not sure what’s going on with your system. It works for me here, I just 
need to interact with the message first.

Bes,t
Zack.
On Oct 22, 2013, at 5:45 PM, Christopher Gilland  
wrote:


OK, this is driving me crazy!  Why is VO+L refusing all of a sudden to 
work within Mail when replying, composing, or forwarding a message?  How 
the heck do they expect me to read the current line of text?


Chris.

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Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I'm wonderring if I took the correct steps to update from my GM to the 
official release, being that I'm seeing some odd behaviors here and there. 
It's nothing major, definitely not, but it's enough to make me kind a 
wonder.


What I personally did was I went to software update from within the GM, and 
then hit command+5 for updates.  I didn't see anything for Mavericks, so I 
then went back to the search box in my toolbar with command+F, then typed in 
Maverick, and the first result that popped up was it.  I then hit the 
download button, and then proceeded as usual.


I'm wonderring if I should have not necessarily repartitioned and 
reformatted, God forbid, but maybe I still should have reinstalled from the 
recovery partition.  I'm just wonderring what is the best way to update from 
a seed or a GM to the real thing, just so I'll know for the future.


Chris.


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http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland

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- Original Message - 
From: "Bryan Jones" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit


Sorry Esther, the keystroke does not seem to recognize threads, and there 
seems to be no delay after pressing option+arrow. The focus immediately 
moves to the top or bottom message in the current mailbox.


I am running the GM, so this behavior may be different in today’s public 
release.


Cheers,
Bryan


On Oct 22, 2013, at 7:17 PM, Esther  wrote:
That's great news.  Does this work the same way it used to? By that I 
mean that you can use this to navigate threads (conversations) as well as 
your entire mailbox to go to the first or last message, by holding down 
the Option+Up or Down arrow key for a short time.


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Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

OK, I'll make sure I have it set that way.

BTW, saw your signature, Sent from my IPad.  Which model have you got?  I 
love! mine!


Chris.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Zachary Kline" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 8:46 PM
Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit


The default for new documents seems to be wrap to page, which you don't 
want. Yo no you have it on the right setting when it tells you that you've 
activated wrapp to  window.


Sent from my iPad

On Oct 22, 2013, at 5:39 PM, Christopher Gilland 
 wrote:


So, do we want wrap to Window, or wrap to page?

Chris.


On Oct 22, 2013, at 8:33 PM, Zachary Kline  wrote:

This is a known issue.
WIt has to do with one particular setting, “Wrap to Page,” which you can 
toggle off by hitting cmd-shift-w.

Best,
Zack.

On Oct 22, 2013, at 5:31 PM, Josh Gregory  wrote:

Has anybody noticed that text edit seems to lose focus easily in 
documents?


Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 22, 2013, at 8:19 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
 wrote:


I guess now that we're no longer on NDA, I will say I agree with Zack. 
I too, found that the testing cycle was not exactly the smoothest.  As 
I recall, there was even  one seed, I wanna say #3 if I remember 
correctly, that was so broken, it didn't even boot.


Anyway... yeah.

Chris.


Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have 
recorded.


http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland

For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to 
follow me on Twitter.


http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic
- Original Message - From: "Zachary Kline" 


To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit



Hi,
Yes, I am, And have been for several months. The testing process has 
not been as smooth as in past releases, but I trust that things will 
eventually settle down. I just thought I should get the note out 
there, before some people upgraded and started panicking when iBooks 
didn't work as well as it could. :-)

All the best,
Zack.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:36 PM, Michael Marshall 
 wrote:


thanks zack,
are you using the new update?
On 23/10/2013, at 7:25 AM, Zachary Kline  
wrote:


Hi Mike,
A few, but nothing huge. I’m more curious to see what happens with 
the new iWork apps, in which I suspect many of our accessibility 
issues have been addressed.

Best,
Zack.
On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Mike Arrigo  
wrote:


Are there any new voiceover features?
Original message:

Hi All,


Now that OS X 10.9, AKA Mavericks, has finally entered public 
release, it is acceptable to mention it on this list without 
violating the NDA. :) That being said, I want to gently suggest 
that VoiceOver users wait to upgrade for a little while, as there 
are still some issues unresolved from the accessibility testing 
process.
While I personally do not consider any of these game breaking, 
per se, they are significant enough to cause some confusion and 
annoyance. I suggest just waiting until at least the first 
general update to the system before committing yourself. In 
particular, iBooks accessibility is not all that might be 
hoped-for. It is being actively worked on, and will be improved 
in the coming weeks.

Warmest regards,
Zack.
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Re: a problem with hiding file extensions

[Michael Marshall]

hey,
that is fantastic, i use name mangler so i will have a play. the problem is all 
the seconds in the file names. i may have to go the slow way but i shall see.
thanks

Michael
On 23 Oct 2013, at 2:01 pm, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:

> I use name changer. You can put replacement text and have it go through and 
> do it all in 1 go, or do it the slower way. Go through the times and have it 
> replaced 5 minutes with let's say nothing and it will do that. There  
> probably is a better way but my brain is not thinking right now. 
> Name changer is not on the app store btw and it's quite old so try looking 
> for it at download.com
> 
> Take care.
> On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:09 PM, Michael Marshall  
> wrote:
> 
>> hey,
>> the reason i want to hide the extensions in this folder is because these 
>> files are downloaded and the person who made them has put the time in the 
>> file name, EG 1930 radio report 5min 4S.mp3. i wanted to get rid of all the 
>> times in the file names without removing the .mp3 stuff with it.
>> thanks for any help
>> 
>> Michael
>> On 23/10/2013, at 12:10 AM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
>> 
>>> Actually I have all extensions showing . Did you go back out and in to the 
>>> folder and see if that hid the mp3 extensions. You will want to see those 
>>> as you will want to know what opens them, at least that's why I have it, 
>>> and I'm from the doss days where I had to see them lol!
>>> Take care.
>>> On Oct 21, 2013, at 10:39 PM, Michael Marshall  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 hey listers,
 i'm having an interesting problem and i'm wondering if anyone can help me 
 out?
 i have a folder full of mp3 files but i don't want to see the mp3 
 extension. i went into finder prefs and disabled the show all extensions, 
 still showing. i then went into my folder of mp3 files selected them all 
 and went into the file inspector and ticked hide extensions and still no 
 luck.
 has anyone come across this problem? how did you get around it? i must say 
 this is quite perplexing.
 any help would be fantastic
 
 thanks
 
 Michael
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Re: a problem with hiding file extensions

[Sarah k Alawami]

I use name changer. You can put replacement text and have it go through and do 
it all in 1 go, or do it the slower way. Go through the times and have it 
replaced 5 minutes with let's say nothing and it will do that. There  probably 
is a better way but my brain is not thinking right now. 
Name changer is not on the app store btw and it's quite old so try looking for 
it at download.com

Take care.
On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:09 PM, Michael Marshall  wrote:

> hey,
> the reason i want to hide the extensions in this folder is because these 
> files are downloaded and the person who made them has put the time in the 
> file name, EG 1930 radio report 5min 4S.mp3. i wanted to get rid of all the 
> times in the file names without removing the .mp3 stuff with it.
> thanks for any help
> 
> Michael
> On 23/10/2013, at 12:10 AM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
> 
>> Actually I have all extensions showing . Did you go back out and in to the 
>> folder and see if that hid the mp3 extensions. You will want to see those as 
>> you will want to know what opens them, at least that's why I have it, and 
>> I'm from the doss days where I had to see them lol!
>> Take care.
>> On Oct 21, 2013, at 10:39 PM, Michael Marshall  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> hey listers,
>>> i'm having an interesting problem and i'm wondering if anyone can help me 
>>> out?
>>> i have a folder full of mp3 files but i don't want to see the mp3 
>>> extension. i went into finder prefs and disabled the show all extensions, 
>>> still showing. i then went into my folder of mp3 files selected them all 
>>> and went into the file inspector and ticked hide extensions and still no 
>>> luck.
>>> has anyone come across this problem? how did you get around it? i must say 
>>> this is quite perplexing.
>>> any help would be fantastic
>>> 
>>> thanks
>>> 
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RE: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

[Linda C. Knight]

I am wondering if I need to update to the mavricks?

Is it necessary? 

WouIf I don't update to Mavricks, would this interfere with updates to
Mountain Lion?

Or, will there be updates to Mountain Lion.

Being a new mac user, I would appreciate any tips on this.

Thanks.


Hugs and 73
Linda C. Knight & shirley
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Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

[Bryan Jones]

Sorry Esther, the keystroke does not seem to recognize threads, and there seems 
to be no delay after pressing option+arrow. The focus immediately moves to the 
top or bottom message in the current mailbox.

I am running the GM, so this behavior may be different in today’s public 
release.

Cheers,
Bryan


On Oct 22, 2013, at 7:17 PM, Esther  wrote:
> That's great news.  Does this work the same way it used to? By that I mean 
> that you can use this to navigate threads (conversations) as well as your 
> entire mailbox to go to the first or last message, by holding down the 
> Option+Up or Down arrow key for a short time.

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Re: VO+L: OH Bizarre!

[Zachary Kline]

Hi Chri,s
I’m not sure what’s going on with your system. It works for me here, I just 
need to interact with the message first.
Bes,t
Zack.
On Oct 22, 2013, at 5:45 PM, Christopher Gilland  
wrote:

> OK, this is driving me crazy!  Why is VO+L refusing all of a sudden to work 
> within Mail when replying, composing, or forwarding a message?  How the heck 
> do they expect me to read the current line of text?
> 
> Chris.
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Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

[Zachary Kline]

The default for new documents seems to be wrap to page, which you don't want. 
Yo no you have it on the right setting when it tells you that you've activated 
wrapp to  window.

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 22, 2013, at 5:39 PM, Christopher Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> So, do we want wrap to Window, or wrap to page?
> 
> Chris.
> 
>> On Oct 22, 2013, at 8:33 PM, Zachary Kline  wrote:
>> 
>> This is a known issue.
>> WIt has to do with one particular setting, “Wrap to Page,” which you can 
>> toggle off by hitting cmd-shift-w.
>> Best,
>> Zack.
>>> On Oct 22, 2013, at 5:31 PM, Josh Gregory  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Has anybody noticed that text edit seems to lose focus easily in documents?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Oct 22, 2013, at 8:19 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
  wrote:
 
 I guess now that we're no longer on NDA, I will say I agree with Zack.  I 
 too, found that the testing cycle was not exactly the smoothest.  As I 
 recall, there was even  one seed, I wanna say #3 if I remember correctly, 
 that was so broken, it didn't even boot.
 
 Anyway... yeah.
 
 Chris.
 
 
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 - Original Message - From: "Zachary Kline" 
 To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:41 PM
 Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit
 
 
> Hi,
> Yes, I am, And have been for several months. The testing process has not 
> been as smooth as in past releases, but I trust that things will 
> eventually settle down. I just thought I should get the note out there, 
> before some people upgraded and started panicking when iBooks didn't work 
> as well as it could. :-)
> All the best,
> Zack.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:36 PM, Michael Marshall 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> thanks zack,
>> are you using the new update?
>>> On 23/10/2013, at 7:25 AM, Zachary Kline  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Mike,
>>> A few, but nothing huge. I’m more curious to see what happens with the 
>>> new iWork apps, in which I suspect many of our accessibility issues 
>>> have been addressed.
>>> Best,
>>> Zack.
 On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
 
 Are there any new voiceover features?
 Original message:
> Hi All,
 
> Now that OS X 10.9, AKA Mavericks, has finally entered public 
> release, it is acceptable to mention it on this list without 
> violating the NDA. :) That being said, I want to gently suggest that 
> VoiceOver users wait to upgrade for a little while, as there are 
> still some issues unresolved from the accessibility testing process.
> While I personally do not consider any of these game breaking, per 
> se, they are significant enough to cause some confusion and 
> annoyance. I suggest just waiting until at least the first general 
> update to the system before committing yourself. In particular, 
> iBooks accessibility is not all that might be hoped-for. It is being 
> actively worked on, and will be improved in the coming weeks.
> Warmest regards,
> Zack.
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VO+L: OH Bizarre!

[Christopher Gilland]

OK, this is driving me crazy!  Why is VO+L refusing all of a sudden to work 
within Mail when replying, composing, or forwarding a message?  How the heck do 
they expect me to read the current line of text?

Chris.

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Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

[Christopher Gilland]

Maybe it was just my mac mini being stupid.  Who knows.  I just tried updating 
from the GM to the full release, and once it downloaded, and then I restarted 
the first time, it just kind a sat there and decided to be a looks, and do 
nothing.  Finally, I hit the power switch and manually restarted.  So far, that 
doesn’t seem to have any ill effect.

Chris.

On Oct 22, 2013, at 8:29 PM, Zachary Kline  wrote:

> Hi Chris,
> I don't remember that one.:-) but yeah, the point still stands, wait a little 
> bit.
> Best,
> Zack.
> On Oct 22, 2013, at 5:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>  wrote:
> 
>> I guess now that we're no longer on NDA, I will say I agree with Zack.  I 
>> too, found that the testing cycle was not exactly the smoothest.  As I 
>> recall, there was even  one seed, I wanna say #3 if I remember correctly, 
>> that was so broken, it didn't even boot.
>> 
>> Anyway... yeah.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> 
>> Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded.
>> 
>> http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland
>> 
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>> on Twitter.
>> 
>> http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic
>> - Original Message - From: "Zachary Kline" 
>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:41 PM
>> Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> Yes, I am, And have been for several months. The testing process has not 
>>> been as smooth as in past releases, but I trust that things will eventually 
>>> settle down. I just thought I should get the note out there, before some 
>>> people upgraded and started panicking when iBooks didn't work as well as it 
>>> could. :-)
>>> All the best,
>>> Zack.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:36 PM, Michael Marshall  
 wrote:
 
 thanks zack,
 are you using the new update?
> On 23/10/2013, at 7:25 AM, Zachary Kline  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mike,
> A few, but nothing huge. I’m more curious to see what happens with the 
> new iWork apps, in which I suspect many of our accessibility issues have 
> been addressed.
> Best,
> Zack.
>> On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> 
>> Are there any new voiceover features?
>> Original message:
>>> Hi All,
>> 
>>> Now that OS X 10.9, AKA Mavericks, has finally entered public release, 
>>> it is acceptable to mention it on this list without violating the NDA. 
>>> :) That being said, I want to gently suggest that VoiceOver users wait 
>>> to upgrade for a little while, as there are still some issues 
>>> unresolved from the accessibility testing process.
>>> While I personally do not consider any of these game breaking, per se, 
>>> they are significant enough to cause some confusion and annoyance. I 
>>> suggest just waiting until at least the first general update to the 
>>> system before committing yourself. In particular, iBooks accessibility 
>>> is not all that might be hoped-for. It is being actively worked on, and 
>>> will be improved in the coming weeks.
>>> Warmest regards,
>>> Zack.
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Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

[Josh Gregory]

Nice feature, must admit.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 22, 2013, at 8:35 PM, Zachary Kline  wrote:
> 
> Oh, that’s describing images to you. :) iOS 7 added a similar feature a while 
> back. 
> Best,
> Zack.
>> On Oct 22, 2013, at 5:33 PM, Josh Gregory  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks I appreciate that. What's up with all the bright, crisp, no faces 
>> thingies?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 22, 2013, at 8:21 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yeah, optymizing your Mac... basically, it's just getting things together. 
>>> Ya know, resyncing your ICloud, and all that type stuff.  Don't worry about 
>>> it.  You're ok.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded.
>>> 
>>> http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland
>>> 
>>> For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow 
>>> me on Twitter.
>>> 
>>> http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic
>>> - Original Message - From: "Josh Gregory" 
>>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:55 PM
>>> Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit
>>> 
>>> 
 After waiting about 45 minutes for it to install, and  additionally a 
 little startled when it restarted and said completing installation, it's 
 now done. I'll be interested to see what this has. Okay, optimizing your 
 Mac?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Oct 22, 2013, at 4:50 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick 
>  wrote:
> 
> there is absolutely nothing to be excited or enthusiastic about from the 
> voiceover perspective in this release.  I've been using this thing since 
> developer preview II and have lived in hope that things might improve. 
> Despite bugging lots not much has.  Also, many of the existing annoyances 
> haven't been addressed.
> 
> I for one have no intention of putting it on any production machine for a 
> long long time.
> 
> Dónal
>> On 22 Oct 2013, at 21:25, Zachary Kline  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mike,
>> A few, but nothing huge. I’m more curious to see what happens with the 
>> new iWork apps, in which I suspect many of our accessibility issues have 
>> been addressed.
>> Best,
>> Zack.
>>> On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Are there any new voiceover features?
>>> Original message:
 Hi All,
>>> 
 Now that OS X 10.9, AKA Mavericks, has finally entered public release, 
 it is acceptable to mention it on this list without violating the NDA. 
 :) That being said, I want to gently suggest that VoiceOver users wait 
 to upgrade for a little while, as there are still some issues 
 unresolved from the accessibility testing process.
 While I personally do not consider any of these game breaking, per se, 
 they are significant enough to cause some confusion and annoyance. I 
 suggest just waiting until at least the first general update to the 
 system before committing yourself. In particular, iBooks accessibility 
 is not all that might be hoped-for. It is being actively worked on, 
 and will be improved in the coming weeks.
 Warmest regards,
 Zack.
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Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

[Josh Gregory]

Thanks a lot, greatly appreciated.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 22, 2013, at 8:33 PM, Zachary Kline  wrote:
> 
> This is a known issue.
> It has to do with one particular setting, “Wrap to Page,” which you can 
> toggle off by hitting cmd-shift-w.
> Best,
> Zack.
>> On Oct 22, 2013, at 5:31 PM, Josh Gregory  wrote:
>> 
>> Has anybody noticed that text edit seems to lose focus easily in documents?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 22, 2013, at 8:19 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I guess now that we're no longer on NDA, I will say I agree with Zack.  I 
>>> too, found that the testing cycle was not exactly the smoothest.  As I 
>>> recall, there was even  one seed, I wanna say #3 if I remember correctly, 
>>> that was so broken, it didn't even boot.
>>> 
>>> Anyway... yeah.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded.
>>> 
>>> http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland
>>> 
>>> For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow 
>>> me on Twitter.
>>> 
>>> http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic
>>> - Original Message - From: "Zachary Kline" 
>>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:41 PM
>>> Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit
>>> 
>>> 
 Hi,
 Yes, I am, And have been for several months. The testing process has not 
 been as smooth as in past releases, but I trust that things will 
 eventually settle down. I just thought I should get the note out there, 
 before some people upgraded and started panicking when iBooks didn't work 
 as well as it could. :-)
 All the best,
 Zack.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:36 PM, Michael Marshall  
> wrote:
> 
> thanks zack,
> are you using the new update?
>> On 23/10/2013, at 7:25 AM, Zachary Kline  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mike,
>> A few, but nothing huge. I’m more curious to see what happens with the 
>> new iWork apps, in which I suspect many of our accessibility issues have 
>> been addressed.
>> Best,
>> Zack.
>>> On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Are there any new voiceover features?
>>> Original message:
 Hi All,
>>> 
 Now that OS X 10.9, AKA Mavericks, has finally entered public release, 
 it is acceptable to mention it on this list without violating the NDA. 
 :) That being said, I want to gently suggest that VoiceOver users wait 
 to upgrade for a little while, as there are still some issues 
 unresolved from the accessibility testing process.
 While I personally do not consider any of these game breaking, per se, 
 they are significant enough to cause some confusion and annoyance. I 
 suggest just waiting until at least the first general update to the 
 system before committing yourself. In particular, iBooks accessibility 
 is not all that might be hoped-for. It is being actively worked on, 
 and will be improved in the coming weeks.
 Warmest regards,
 Zack.
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Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

[Christopher Gilland]

So, do we want wrap to Window, or wrap to page?

Chris.

On Oct 22, 2013, at 8:33 PM, Zachary Kline  wrote:

> This is a known issue.
> It has to do with one particular setting, “Wrap to Page,” which you can 
> toggle off by hitting cmd-shift-w.
> Best,
> Zack.
> On Oct 22, 2013, at 5:31 PM, Josh Gregory  wrote:
> 
>> Has anybody noticed that text edit seems to lose focus easily in documents?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 22, 2013, at 8:19 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I guess now that we're no longer on NDA, I will say I agree with Zack.  I 
>>> too, found that the testing cycle was not exactly the smoothest.  As I 
>>> recall, there was even  one seed, I wanna say #3 if I remember correctly, 
>>> that was so broken, it didn't even boot.
>>> 
>>> Anyway... yeah.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded.
>>> 
>>> http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland
>>> 
>>> For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow 
>>> me on Twitter.
>>> 
>>> http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic
>>> - Original Message - From: "Zachary Kline" 
>>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:41 PM
>>> Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit
>>> 
>>> 
 Hi,
 Yes, I am, And have been for several months. The testing process has not 
 been as smooth as in past releases, but I trust that things will 
 eventually settle down. I just thought I should get the note out there, 
 before some people upgraded and started panicking when iBooks didn't work 
 as well as it could. :-)
 All the best,
 Zack.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:36 PM, Michael Marshall  
> wrote:
> 
> thanks zack,
> are you using the new update?
>> On 23/10/2013, at 7:25 AM, Zachary Kline  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mike,
>> A few, but nothing huge. I’m more curious to see what happens with the 
>> new iWork apps, in which I suspect many of our accessibility issues have 
>> been addressed.
>> Best,
>> Zack.
>>> On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Are there any new voiceover features?
>>> Original message:
 Hi All,
>>> 
 Now that OS X 10.9, AKA Mavericks, has finally entered public release, 
 it is acceptable to mention it on this list without violating the NDA. 
 :) That being said, I want to gently suggest that VoiceOver users wait 
 to upgrade for a little while, as there are still some issues 
 unresolved from the accessibility testing process.
 While I personally do not consider any of these game breaking, per se, 
 they are significant enough to cause some confusion and annoyance. I 
 suggest just waiting until at least the first general update to the 
 system before committing yourself. In particular, iBooks accessibility 
 is not all that might be hoped-for. It is being actively worked on, 
 and will be improved in the coming weeks.
 Warmest regards,
 Zack.
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Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

[Zachary Kline]

Oh, that’s describing images to you. :) iOS 7 added a similar feature a while 
back. 
Best,
Zack.
On Oct 22, 2013, at 5:33 PM, Josh Gregory  wrote:

> Thanks I appreciate that. What's up with all the bright, crisp, no faces 
> thingies?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 22, 2013, at 8:21 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah, optymizing your Mac... basically, it's just getting things together. 
>> Ya know, resyncing your ICloud, and all that type stuff.  Don't worry about 
>> it.  You're ok.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> 
>> Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded.
>> 
>> http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland
>> 
>> For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow me 
>> on Twitter.
>> 
>> http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic
>> - Original Message - From: "Josh Gregory" 
>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:55 PM
>> Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit
>> 
>> 
>>> After waiting about 45 minutes for it to install, and  additionally a 
>>> little startled when it restarted and said completing installation, it's 
>>> now done. I'll be interested to see what this has. Okay, optimizing your 
>>> Mac?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Oct 22, 2013, at 4:50 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick  
 wrote:
 
 there is absolutely nothing to be excited or enthusiastic about from the 
 voiceover perspective in this release.  I've been using this thing since 
 developer preview II and have lived in hope that things might improve. 
 Despite bugging lots not much has.  Also, many of the existing annoyances 
 haven't been addressed.
 
 I for one have no intention of putting it on any production machine for a 
 long long time.
 
 Dónal
> On 22 Oct 2013, at 21:25, Zachary Kline  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mike,
> A few, but nothing huge. I’m more curious to see what happens with the 
> new iWork apps, in which I suspect many of our accessibility issues have 
> been addressed.
> Best,
> Zack.
>> On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> 
>> Are there any new voiceover features?
>> Original message:
>>> Hi All,
>> 
>>> Now that OS X 10.9, AKA Mavericks, has finally entered public release, 
>>> it is acceptable to mention it on this list without violating the NDA. 
>>> :) That being said, I want to gently suggest that VoiceOver users wait 
>>> to upgrade for a little while, as there are still some issues 
>>> unresolved from the accessibility testing process.
>>> While I personally do not consider any of these game breaking, per se, 
>>> they are significant enough to cause some confusion and annoyance. I 
>>> suggest just waiting until at least the first general update to the 
>>> system before committing yourself. In particular, iBooks accessibility 
>>> is not all that might be hoped-for. It is being actively worked on, and 
>>> will be improved in the coming weeks.
>>> Warmest regards,
>>> Zack.
>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --->
>> 
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Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

[Zachary Kline]

This is a known issue.
It has to do with one particular setting, “Wrap to Page,” which you can toggle 
off by hitting cmd-shift-w.
Best,
Zack.
On Oct 22, 2013, at 5:31 PM, Josh Gregory  wrote:

> Has anybody noticed that text edit seems to lose focus easily in documents?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 22, 2013, at 8:19 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I guess now that we're no longer on NDA, I will say I agree with Zack.  I 
>> too, found that the testing cycle was not exactly the smoothest.  As I 
>> recall, there was even  one seed, I wanna say #3 if I remember correctly, 
>> that was so broken, it didn't even boot.
>> 
>> Anyway... yeah.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> 
>> Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded.
>> 
>> http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland
>> 
>> For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow me 
>> on Twitter.
>> 
>> http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic
>> - Original Message - From: "Zachary Kline" 
>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:41 PM
>> Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> Yes, I am, And have been for several months. The testing process has not 
>>> been as smooth as in past releases, but I trust that things will eventually 
>>> settle down. I just thought I should get the note out there, before some 
>>> people upgraded and started panicking when iBooks didn't work as well as it 
>>> could. :-)
>>> All the best,
>>> Zack.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:36 PM, Michael Marshall  
 wrote:
 
 thanks zack,
 are you using the new update?
> On 23/10/2013, at 7:25 AM, Zachary Kline  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mike,
> A few, but nothing huge. I’m more curious to see what happens with the 
> new iWork apps, in which I suspect many of our accessibility issues have 
> been addressed.
> Best,
> Zack.
>> On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> 
>> Are there any new voiceover features?
>> Original message:
>>> Hi All,
>> 
>>> Now that OS X 10.9, AKA Mavericks, has finally entered public release, 
>>> it is acceptable to mention it on this list without violating the NDA. 
>>> :) That being said, I want to gently suggest that VoiceOver users wait 
>>> to upgrade for a little while, as there are still some issues 
>>> unresolved from the accessibility testing process.
>>> While I personally do not consider any of these game breaking, per se, 
>>> they are significant enough to cause some confusion and annoyance. I 
>>> suggest just waiting until at least the first general update to the 
>>> system before committing yourself. In particular, iBooks accessibility 
>>> is not all that might be hoped-for. It is being actively worked on, and 
>>> will be improved in the coming weeks.
>>> Warmest regards,
>>> Zack.
>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --->
>> 
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>>> mac-access@mac-access.net
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Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

[Josh Gregory]

Thanks I appreciate that. What's up with all the bright, crisp, no faces 
thingies?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 22, 2013, at 8:21 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yeah, optymizing your Mac... basically, it's just getting things together. Ya 
> know, resyncing your ICloud, and all that type stuff.  Don't worry about it.  
> You're ok.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> 
> Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded.
> 
> http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland
> 
> For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow me 
> on Twitter.
> 
> http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic
> - Original Message - From: "Josh Gregory" 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:55 PM
> Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit
> 
> 
>> After waiting about 45 minutes for it to install, and  additionally a little 
>> startled when it restarted and said completing installation, it's now done. 
>> I'll be interested to see what this has. Okay, optimizing your Mac?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 22, 2013, at 4:50 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> there is absolutely nothing to be excited or enthusiastic about from the 
>>> voiceover perspective in this release.  I've been using this thing since 
>>> developer preview II and have lived in hope that things might improve. 
>>> Despite bugging lots not much has.  Also, many of the existing annoyances 
>>> haven't been addressed.
>>> 
>>> I for one have no intention of putting it on any production machine for a 
>>> long long time.
>>> 
>>> Dónal
 On 22 Oct 2013, at 21:25, Zachary Kline  wrote:
 
 Hi Mike,
 A few, but nothing huge. I’m more curious to see what happens with the new 
 iWork apps, in which I suspect many of our accessibility issues have been 
 addressed.
 Best,
 Zack.
> On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> Are there any new voiceover features?
> Original message:
>> Hi All,
> 
>> Now that OS X 10.9, AKA Mavericks, has finally entered public release, 
>> it is acceptable to mention it on this list without violating the NDA. 
>> :) That being said, I want to gently suggest that VoiceOver users wait 
>> to upgrade for a little while, as there are still some issues unresolved 
>> from the accessibility testing process.
>> While I personally do not consider any of these game breaking, per se, 
>> they are significant enough to cause some confusion and annoyance. I 
>> suggest just waiting until at least the first general update to the 
>> system before committing yourself. In particular, iBooks accessibility 
>> is not all that might be hoped-for. It is being actively worked on, and 
>> will be improved in the coming weeks.
>> Warmest regards,
>> Zack.
>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --->
> 
>> To reply to this post, please address your message to 
>> mac-access@mac-access.net
> 
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>> .
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Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

[Josh Gregory]

Has anybody noticed that text edit seems to lose focus easily in documents?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 22, 2013, at 8:19 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
>  wrote:
> 
> I guess now that we're no longer on NDA, I will say I agree with Zack.  I 
> too, found that the testing cycle was not exactly the smoothest.  As I 
> recall, there was even  one seed, I wanna say #3 if I remember correctly, 
> that was so broken, it didn't even boot.
> 
> Anyway... yeah.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> 
> Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded.
> 
> http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland
> 
> For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow me 
> on Twitter.
> 
> http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic
> - Original Message - From: "Zachary Kline" 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:41 PM
> Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit
> 
> 
>> Hi,
>> Yes, I am, And have been for several months. The testing process has not 
>> been as smooth as in past releases, but I trust that things will eventually 
>> settle down. I just thought I should get the note out there, before some 
>> people upgraded and started panicking when iBooks didn't work as well as it 
>> could. :-)
>> All the best,
>> Zack.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:36 PM, Michael Marshall  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> thanks zack,
>>> are you using the new update?
 On 23/10/2013, at 7:25 AM, Zachary Kline  wrote:
 
 Hi Mike,
 A few, but nothing huge. I’m more curious to see what happens with the new 
 iWork apps, in which I suspect many of our accessibility issues have been 
 addressed.
 Best,
 Zack.
> On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> Are there any new voiceover features?
> Original message:
>> Hi All,
> 
>> Now that OS X 10.9, AKA Mavericks, has finally entered public release, 
>> it is acceptable to mention it on this list without violating the NDA. 
>> :) That being said, I want to gently suggest that VoiceOver users wait 
>> to upgrade for a little while, as there are still some issues unresolved 
>> from the accessibility testing process.
>> While I personally do not consider any of these game breaking, per se, 
>> they are significant enough to cause some confusion and annoyance. I 
>> suggest just waiting until at least the first general update to the 
>> system before committing yourself. In particular, iBooks accessibility 
>> is not all that might be hoped-for. It is being actively worked on, and 
>> will be improved in the coming weeks.
>> Warmest regards,
>> Zack.
>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --->
> 
>> To reply to this post, please address your message to 
>> mac-access@mac-access.net
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>> strategy.  We assume neither liability nor responsibility should 
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Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

[Zachary Kline]

Hi Chris,
I don't remember that one.:-) but yeah, the point still stands, wait a little 
bit.
Best,
Zack.
On Oct 22, 2013, at 5:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:

> I guess now that we're no longer on NDA, I will say I agree with Zack.  I 
> too, found that the testing cycle was not exactly the smoothest.  As I 
> recall, there was even  one seed, I wanna say #3 if I remember correctly, 
> that was so broken, it didn't even boot.
> 
> Anyway... yeah.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> 
> Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded.
> 
> http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland
> 
> For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow me 
> on Twitter.
> 
> http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic
> - Original Message - From: "Zachary Kline" 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:41 PM
> Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit
> 
> 
>> Hi,
>> Yes, I am, And have been for several months. The testing process has not 
>> been as smooth as in past releases, but I trust that things will eventually 
>> settle down. I just thought I should get the note out there, before some 
>> people upgraded and started panicking when iBooks didn't work as well as it 
>> could. :-)
>> All the best,
>> Zack.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:36 PM, Michael Marshall  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> thanks zack,
>>> are you using the new update?
 On 23/10/2013, at 7:25 AM, Zachary Kline  wrote:
 
 Hi Mike,
 A few, but nothing huge. I’m more curious to see what happens with the new 
 iWork apps, in which I suspect many of our accessibility issues have been 
 addressed.
 Best,
 Zack.
> On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> Are there any new voiceover features?
> Original message:
>> Hi All,
> 
>> Now that OS X 10.9, AKA Mavericks, has finally entered public release, 
>> it is acceptable to mention it on this list without violating the NDA. 
>> :) That being said, I want to gently suggest that VoiceOver users wait 
>> to upgrade for a little while, as there are still some issues unresolved 
>> from the accessibility testing process.
>> While I personally do not consider any of these game breaking, per se, 
>> they are significant enough to cause some confusion and annoyance. I 
>> suggest just waiting until at least the first general update to the 
>> system before committing yourself. In particular, iBooks accessibility 
>> is not all that might be hoped-for. It is being actively worked on, and 
>> will be improved in the coming weeks.
>> Warmest regards,
>> Zack.
>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --->
> 
>> To reply to this post, please address your message to 
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Re: a problem with hiding file extensions

[Glenn]

I agree, I don't know why anyone would not want to know of the file 
extensions.
I think it is stupid of MS to have started the hiding of file extensions.
It is quite unsafe to know what the file extension is.
It could be an executable and you might not even know it.
Glenn
- Original Message - 
From: "Sarah k Alawami" 
To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 8:10 AM
Subject: Re: a problem with hiding file extensions


Actually I have all extensions showing . Did you go back out and in to the 
folder and see if that hid the mp3 extensions. You will want to see those as 
you will want to know what opens them, at least that's why I have it, and 
I'm from the doss days where I had to see them lol!
Take care.
On Oct 21, 2013, at 10:39 PM, Michael Marshall  
wrote:

> hey listers,
> i'm having an interesting problem and i'm wondering if anyone can help me 
> out?
> i have a folder full of mp3 files but i don't want to see the mp3 
> extension. i went into finder prefs and disabled the show all extensions, 
> still showing. i then went into my folder of mp3 files selected them all 
> and went into the file inspector and ticked hide extensions and still no 
> luck.
> has anyone come across this problem? how did you get around it? i must say 
> this is quite perplexing.
> any help would be fantastic
>
> thanks
>
> Michael
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Mavericks and Mail, was: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

One thing about Mail I'm noticing that I, can, not, stand! that has been 
this way since the Gold Master is Voiceover isn't seeming to report any 
longer that messages are read, or unread.  Maybe I did something to turn it 
off, but I'm not aware of anything.


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To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit


Call me easy to please, but I am thrilled that they’ve reinstated the 
ability to use the Option+Up/Down arrows to move to top and bottom message 
rows in Mavericks’ Mail.app


;-)

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Re: iWork positive impressions

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

As far as I'm aware, they should be, yes.

One thing that really really shocked me, was that the update from ML to 
Mavericks was a completely free update.  I was thinking it would be more 
like Lion, and Mountain Lion were, where they each were about 30 bucks.


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To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: iWork positive impressions


what about track changes?
would the updates b free as i bought pages?

On 22 Oct 2013, at 22:43, Dónal Fitzpatrick  
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Excellent Zac great to hear.
On 22 Oct 2013, at 22:40, Zachary Kline  wrote:


Hi ALl,
I wanted to write and say that thus far I’ve had very positive 
impressions of the new iWork sweet for Mavericks. Tables work seamlessly 
in Pages, and the whole system seems more friendly to VoiceOver. I’ve yet 
to try the other apps in the sweet, but trust similar progress has been 
made.

Best,
Zack.
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Re: iPhone 5c versus 5s

[Glenn]

You might check out the camera specs, and if there is a difference, go with 
the better one.
I dare say that for the majority of us, the camera is the most important 
feature of any smart phone.

Glenn
- Original Message - 
From: "Paul Hopewell" 
To: "mac-access" 
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 5:24 AM
Subject: iPhone 5c versus 5s


Hello,
I have had an iPhone 3GS 16GB for some time and am now considering upgrading 
to an iPhone 5c or 5s both 16GB. the 3GS does not support IOS 7 and some of 
my Apps which were upgraded to IOS 7 no longer work on IOS 6. supp9oort no 
lA

What are the differences between the 5c and the 5s other than the case and 
the price? Does the 5c support the new finger print unlock mechanism? Why 
might I consider the 5s rather than the cheaper 5c?

Many thanks in anticipation of your advice.

Paul Hopewell
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Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Yeah, optymizing your Mac... basically, it's just getting things together. 
Ya know, resyncing your ICloud, and all that type stuff.  Don't worry about 
it.  You're ok.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Gregory" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit


After waiting about 45 minutes for it to install, and  additionally a 
little startled when it restarted and said completing installation, it's 
now done. I'll be interested to see what this has. Okay, optimizing your 
Mac?


Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 22, 2013, at 4:50 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick 
 wrote:


there is absolutely nothing to be excited or enthusiastic about from the 
voiceover perspective in this release.  I've been using this thing since 
developer preview II and have lived in hope that things might improve. 
Despite bugging lots not much has.  Also, many of the existing annoyances 
haven't been addressed.


I for one have no intention of putting it on any production machine for a 
long long time.


Dónal

On 22 Oct 2013, at 21:25, Zachary Kline  wrote:

Hi Mike,
A few, but nothing huge. I’m more curious to see what happens with the 
new iWork apps, in which I suspect many of our accessibility issues have 
been addressed.

Best,
Zack.

On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:

Are there any new voiceover features?
Original message:

Hi All,


Now that OS X 10.9, AKA Mavericks, has finally entered public release, 
it is acceptable to mention it on this list without violating the NDA. 
:) That being said, I want to gently suggest that VoiceOver users wait 
to upgrade for a little while, as there are still some issues 
unresolved from the accessibility testing process.
While I personally do not consider any of these game breaking, per se, 
they are significant enough to cause some confusion and annoyance. I 
suggest just waiting until at least the first general update to the 
system before committing yourself. In particular, iBooks accessibility 
is not all that might be hoped-for. It is being actively worked on, 
and will be improved in the coming weeks.

Warmest regards,
Zack.
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Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I guess now that we're no longer on NDA, I will say I agree with Zack.  I 
too, found that the testing cycle was not exactly the smoothest.  As I 
recall, there was even  one seed, I wanna say #3 if I remember correctly, 
that was so broken, it didn't even boot.


Anyway... yeah.

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From: "Zachary Kline" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit



Hi,
Yes, I am, And have been for several months. The testing process has not 
been as smooth as in past releases, but I trust that things will 
eventually settle down. I just thought I should get the note out there, 
before some people upgraded and started panicking when iBooks didn't work 
as well as it could. :-)

All the best,
Zack.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:36 PM, Michael Marshall  
wrote:


thanks zack,
are you using the new update?

On 23/10/2013, at 7:25 AM, Zachary Kline  wrote:

Hi Mike,
A few, but nothing huge. I’m more curious to see what happens with the 
new iWork apps, in which I suspect many of our accessibility issues have 
been addressed.

Best,
Zack.

On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:

Are there any new voiceover features?
Original message:

Hi All,


Now that OS X 10.9, AKA Mavericks, has finally entered public release, 
it is acceptable to mention it on this list without violating the NDA. 
:) That being said, I want to gently suggest that VoiceOver users wait 
to upgrade for a little while, as there are still some issues 
unresolved from the accessibility testing process.
While I personally do not consider any of these game breaking, per se, 
they are significant enough to cause some confusion and annoyance. I 
suggest just waiting until at least the first general update to the 
system before committing yourself. In particular, iBooks accessibility 
is not all that might be hoped-for. It is being actively worked on, 
and will be improved in the coming weeks.

Warmest regards,
Zack.
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Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

[Esther]

Bryan,

That's great news.  Does this work the same way it used to? By that I mean that 
you can use this to navigate threads (conversations) as well as your entire 
mailbox to go to the first or last message, by holding down the Option+Up or 
Down arrow key for a short time.

And is it also worth mentioning that there are new Take Control series eBooks 
for Upgrading to Mavericks, and for using iBooks, although I haven't seen the 
contents yet?  These should be eligible for purchase using the discount that is 
available to mac-access list subscribers.

To remind list members, there is information about this at:
http://www.mac-access.net/Take-Control.html

Note that the titles I mentioned are very recently announced additions that are 
not yet listed in the local accessible version of the Take Control catalog.

HTH. Cheers,

Esther

On Oct 22, 2013, at 12:11 PM, Bryan Jones wrote:

> Call me easy to please, but I am thrilled that they’ve reinstated the ability 
> to use the Option+Up/Down arrows to move to top and bottom message rows in 
> Mavericks’ Mail.app
> 
> ;-)
> 
> -Bryan
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Re: OS X Mavericks, Wait a bit

[Zachary Kline]

Given that the iWork sweet improvements are new to me as well, I’d still say 
somewhat yes. The improved accessibility does make a very compelling argument 
though.
Best,
Zack.
On Oct 22, 2013, at 3:33 PM, David Griffith  wrote:

> As a matter of interest, do you still give this advice given the apparent
> improvement in the accessibility of the iWorks suite that is emerging
> tonight?
> 
> David Griffith
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: 22 October 2013 20:50
> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Now that OS X 10.9, AKA Mavericks, has finally entered public release, it is
> acceptable to mention it on this list without violating the NDA. :) That
> being said, I want to gently suggest that VoiceOver users wait to upgrade
> for a little while, as there are still some issues unresolved from the
> accessibility testing process.
> While I personally do not consider any of these game breaking, per se, they
> are significant enough to cause some confusion and annoyance. I suggest just
> waiting until at least the first general update to the system before
> committing yourself. In particular, iBooks accessibility is not all that
> might be hoped-for. It is being actively worked on, and will be improved in
> the coming weeks.
> Warmest regards,
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Re: iWork positive impressions

[Zachary Kline]

Hi Jeff,
iBooks accessibility is one of a few issues which stands out to me—the most 
significant in my view because it will be immediately noticeable. Safari has 
some internal bugs—not VO-related exactly, but they do cause some odd VoiceOver 
speech on occasion. Over all though, i’d say VO and Safari do work well 
together.
iWork is a significant reason to upgrade all on its own.
Best,
Zack.
On Oct 22, 2013, at 3:29 PM, Geoff Stephens  wrote:

> Zack -
> If iBooks accessibility is the only reason you are advising people to wait, I 
> think I will go ahead.  Are there other, specific reasons it might be good to 
> wait?
> 
> Are there any positive reasons to update?  Does VO work better with the new 
> Safari?
> 
> 
> On Oct 22, 2013, at 6:13 PM, Zachary Kline  wrote:
> 
> Hi TIm,
> Yes, the update is free.
> Best,
> Zack.
> On Oct 22, 2013, at 2:43 PM, Tim Emmons  wrote:
> 
>> Did I hear right that this version of iWorks with maverix is free or did I 
>> misunderstand something a while back. Thanks guys. This will help me explain 
>> why I need this office update sooner. Thanks and take care. 
>> On Oct 22, 2013, at 4:40 PM, Zachary Kline wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi ALl,
>>> I wanted to write and say that thus far I’ve had very positive impressions 
>>> of the new iWork sweet for Mavericks. Tables work seamlessly in Pages, and 
>>> the whole system seems more friendly to VoiceOver. I’ve yet to try the 
>>> other apps in the sweet, but trust similar progress has been made.
>>> Best,
>>> Zack.
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RE: OS X Mavericks, Wait a bit

[David Griffith]

As a matter of interest, do you still give this advice given the apparent
improvement in the accessibility of the iWorks suite that is emerging
tonight?

David Griffith

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[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Zachary Kline
Sent: 22 October 2013 20:50
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

Hi All,

Now that OS X 10.9, AKA Mavericks, has finally entered public release, it is
acceptable to mention it on this list without violating the NDA. :) That
being said, I want to gently suggest that VoiceOver users wait to upgrade
for a little while, as there are still some issues unresolved from the
accessibility testing process.
While I personally do not consider any of these game breaking, per se, they
are significant enough to cause some confusion and annoyance. I suggest just
waiting until at least the first general update to the system before
committing yourself. In particular, iBooks accessibility is not all that
might be hoped-for. It is being actively worked on, and will be improved in
the coming weeks.
Warmest regards,
Zack.
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Re: iWork positive impressions

[Geoff Stephens]

Zack -
If iBooks accessibility is the only reason you are advising people to wait, I 
think I will go ahead.  Are there other, specific reasons it might be good to 
wait?

Are there any positive reasons to update?  Does VO work better with the new 
Safari?


On Oct 22, 2013, at 6:13 PM, Zachary Kline  wrote:

Hi TIm,
Yes, the update is free.
Best,
Zack.
On Oct 22, 2013, at 2:43 PM, Tim Emmons  wrote:

> Did I hear right that this version of iWorks with maverix is free or did I 
> misunderstand something a while back. Thanks guys. This will help me explain 
> why I need this office update sooner. Thanks and take care. 
> On Oct 22, 2013, at 4:40 PM, Zachary Kline wrote:
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>> Hi ALl,
>> I wanted to write and say that thus far I’ve had very positive impressions 
>> of the new iWork sweet for Mavericks. Tables work seamlessly in Pages, and 
>> the whole system seems more friendly to VoiceOver. I’ve yet to try the other 
>> apps in the sweet, but trust similar progress has been made.
>> Best,
>> Zack.
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Re: iWork positive impressions

[Zachary Kline]

Hi TIm,
Yes, the update is free.
Best,
Zack.
On Oct 22, 2013, at 2:43 PM, Tim Emmons  wrote:

> Did I hear right that this version of iWorks with maverix is free or did I 
> misunderstand something a while back. Thanks guys. This will help me explain 
> why I need this office update sooner. Thanks and take care. 
> On Oct 22, 2013, at 4:40 PM, Zachary Kline wrote:
> 
>> Hi ALl,
>> I wanted to write and say that thus far I’ve had very positive impressions 
>> of the new iWork sweet for Mavericks. Tables work seamlessly in Pages, and 
>> the whole system seems more friendly to VoiceOver. I’ve yet to try the other 
>> apps in the sweet, but trust similar progress has been made.
>> Best,
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Re: iWork positive impressions

[Tim Emmons]

Did I hear right that this version of iWorks with maverix is free or did I 
misunderstand something a while back. Thanks guys. This will help me explain 
why I need this office update sooner. Thanks and take care. 
On Oct 22, 2013, at 4:40 PM, Zachary Kline wrote:

> Hi ALl,
> I wanted to write and say that thus far I’ve had very positive impressions of 
> the new iWork sweet for Mavericks. Tables work seamlessly in Pages, and the 
> whole system seems more friendly to VoiceOver. I’ve yet to try the other apps 
> in the sweet, but trust similar progress has been made.
> Best,
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Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

[Bryan Jones]

Call me easy to please, but I am thrilled that they’ve reinstated the ability 
to use the Option+Up/Down arrows to move to top and bottom message rows in 
Mavericks’ Mail.app

;-)
 
-Bryan

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Re: iWork positive impressions

[Zachary Kline]

I haven’t yet had a document in which I can test them. I’ll let you know if I 
do.
Best,
Zack.
On Oct 22, 2013, at 2:51 PM, William Lomas  wrote:

> what about track changes?
> would the updates b free as i bought pages?
> 
> On 22 Oct 2013, at 22:43, Dónal Fitzpatrick  wrote:
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>> Excellent Zac great to hear.
>> On 22 Oct 2013, at 22:40, Zachary Kline  wrote:
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>>> Hi ALl,
>>> I wanted to write and say that thus far I’ve had very positive impressions 
>>> of the new iWork sweet for Mavericks. Tables work seamlessly in Pages, and 
>>> the whole system seems more friendly to VoiceOver. I’ve yet to try the 
>>> other apps in the sweet, but trust similar progress has been made.
>>> Best,
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Re: Keynote Slides

[Zachary Kline]

All, pleased disregard this message. It was sent to the wrong mailing list.
Best,
Zack.
On Oct 22, 2013, at 2:49 PM, Zachary Kline  wrote:

> Hi Thomas and all,
> 
> While I have had very positive impressions of the overwhelming majority of 
> the new iWork sweet, Keynote still isn’t accessible when it comes to playing 
> slideshows. VoiceOver doesn’t allow me to see which slide is showing, just 
> displaying a blank window throughout. If this could be passed on as a matter 
> of some urgency to engineering it would be lovely.
> Thanks much,
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Re: iWork positive impressions

[William Lomas]

what about track changes?
would the updates b free as i bought pages?

On 22 Oct 2013, at 22:43, Dónal Fitzpatrick  wrote:

> Excellent Zac great to hear.
> On 22 Oct 2013, at 22:40, Zachary Kline  wrote:
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>> Hi ALl,
>> I wanted to write and say that thus far I’ve had very positive impressions 
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Keynote Slides

[Zachary Kline]

Hi Thomas and all,

While I have had very positive impressions of the overwhelming majority of the 
new iWork sweet, Keynote still isn’t accessible when it comes to playing 
slideshows. VoiceOver doesn’t allow me to see which slide is showing, just 
displaying a blank window throughout. If this could be passed on as a matter of 
some urgency to engineering it would be lovely.
Thanks much,
Zack
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Re: iWork positive impressions

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Excellent Zac great to hear.
On 22 Oct 2013, at 22:40, Zachary Kline  wrote:

> Hi ALl,
> I wanted to write and say that thus far I’ve had very positive impressions of 
> the new iWork sweet for Mavericks. Tables work seamlessly in Pages, and the 
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iWork positive impressions

[Zachary Kline]

Hi ALl,
I wanted to write and say that thus far I’ve had very positive impressions of 
the new iWork sweet for Mavericks. Tables work seamlessly in Pages, and the 
whole system seems more friendly to VoiceOver. I’ve yet to try the other apps 
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Zack.
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Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

[Josh Gregory]

After waiting about 45 minutes for it to install, and  additionally a little 
startled when it restarted and said completing installation, it's now done. 
I'll be interested to see what this has. Okay, optimizing your Mac?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 22, 2013, at 4:50 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick  
> wrote:
> 
> there is absolutely nothing to be excited or enthusiastic about from the 
> voiceover perspective in this release.  I've been using this thing since 
> developer preview II and have lived in hope that things might improve.  
> Despite bugging lots not much has.  Also, many of the existing annoyances 
> haven't been addressed.
> 
> I for one have no intention of putting it on any production machine for a 
> long long time.
> 
> Dónal
>> On 22 Oct 2013, at 21:25, Zachary Kline  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mike,
>> A few, but nothing huge. I’m more curious to see what happens with the new 
>> iWork apps, in which I suspect many of our accessibility issues have been 
>> addressed.
>> Best,
>> Zack.
>>> On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Are there any new voiceover features?
>>> Original message:
 Hi All,
>>> 
 Now that OS X 10.9, AKA Mavericks, has finally entered public release, it 
 is acceptable to mention it on this list without violating the NDA. :) 
 That being said, I want to gently suggest that VoiceOver users wait to 
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 While I personally do not consider any of these game breaking, per se, 
 they are significant enough to cause some confusion and annoyance. I 
 suggest just waiting until at least the first general update to the system 
 before committing yourself. In particular, iBooks accessibility is not all 
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RE: Dictation

[Godwin Adoyi Agada]

Hi,
Make sure you hear "text field is editing" before doing the two-finger
double tap, otherwise you will be activating what was previously paused.
HTH
Godwin Adoyi  

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From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 1:58 PM
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: Dictation

Hmm. never could get the 2 finger double tap for dictation to work. It
normally just starts playing the book I'm listening to. I normally just find
the button with my thumb as half the time I'm walking.

Tc all.
On Oct 22, 2013, at 6:21 AM, Dane Trethowan 
wrote:

> Thanks for all that, I have to admit to finding the dictation facilities
very convenient, like the way you can double tap with 2 fingers on an edit
text field, start dictating and perform another 2 finger double tap on that
field to finish, makes things easier than ever.
> 
> On 23/10/2013, at 12:09 AM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
> 
>> Dunno if full stop will work for me as I'm set to us english. but it's
worth a try.
>> 
>> Take care and good luck.
>> On Oct 22, 2013, at 2:11 AM, Andy Collins 
wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes. Just say full stop or comma or queston mark etc -
>>> 
>>> Andy
>>> On 22 Oct 2013, at 08:58, Dane Trethowan 
wrote:
>>> 
 Stupid question I'm sure that can you insert punctuation into your
dictation
 
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Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

[Michael Marshall]

i see,
thanks for letting me know. i'm so glad it's free, as it should be because the 
IOS update was.
Michael
On 23/10/2013, at 7:41 AM, Zachary Kline  wrote:

> Hi,
> Yes, I am, And have been for several months. The testing process has not been 
> as smooth as in past releases, but I trust that things will eventually settle 
> down. I just thought I should get the note out there, before some people 
> upgraded and started panicking when iBooks didn't work as well as it could. 
> :-)
> All the best,
> Zack.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:36 PM, Michael Marshall  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> thanks zack,
>> are you using the new update? 
>>> On 23/10/2013, at 7:25 AM, Zachary Kline  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Mike,
>>> A few, but nothing huge. I’m more curious to see what happens with the new 
>>> iWork apps, in which I suspect many of our accessibility issues have been 
>>> addressed.
>>> Best,
>>> Zack.
 On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
 
 Are there any new voiceover features?
 Original message:
> Hi All,
 
> Now that OS X 10.9, AKA Mavericks, has finally entered public release, it 
> is acceptable to mention it on this list without violating the NDA. :) 
> That being said, I want to gently suggest that VoiceOver users wait to 
> upgrade for a little while, as there are still some issues unresolved 
> from the accessibility testing process.
> While I personally do not consider any of these game breaking, per se, 
> they are significant enough to cause some confusion and annoyance. I 
> suggest just waiting until at least the first general update to the 
> system before committing yourself. In particular, iBooks accessibility is 
> not all that might be hoped-for. It is being actively worked on, and will 
> be improved in the coming weeks.
> Warmest regards,
> Zack.
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Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

there is absolutely nothing to be excited or enthusiastic about from the 
voiceover perspective in this release.  I've been using this thing since 
developer preview II and have lived in hope that things might improve.  Despite 
bugging lots not much has.  Also, many of the existing annoyances haven't been 
addressed.

I for one have no intention of putting it on any production machine for a long 
long time.

Dónal
On 22 Oct 2013, at 21:25, Zachary Kline  wrote:

> Hi Mike,
> A few, but nothing huge. I’m more curious to see what happens with the new 
> iWork apps, in which I suspect many of our accessibility issues have been 
> addressed.
> Best,
> Zack.
> On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
>> Are there any new voiceover features?
>> Original message:
>>> Hi All,
>> 
>>> Now that OS X 10.9, AKA Mavericks, has finally entered public release, it 
>>> is acceptable to mention it on this list without violating the NDA. :) That 
>>> being said, I want to gently suggest that VoiceOver users wait to upgrade 
>>> for a little while, as there are still some issues unresolved from the 
>>> accessibility testing process.
>>> While I personally do not consider any of these game breaking, per se, they 
>>> are significant enough to cause some confusion and annoyance. I suggest 
>>> just waiting until at least the first general update to the system before 
>>> committing yourself. In particular, iBooks accessibility is not all that 
>>> might be hoped-for. It is being actively worked on, and will be improved in 
>>> the coming weeks.
>>> Warmest regards,
>>> Zack.
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Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

[Zachary Kline]

Hi,
Yes, I am, And have been for several months. The testing process has not been 
as smooth as in past releases, but I trust that things will eventually settle 
down. I just thought I should get the note out there, before some people 
upgraded and started panicking when iBooks didn't work as well as it could. :-)
All the best,
Zack.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:36 PM, Michael Marshall  
> wrote:
> 
> thanks zack,
> are you using the new update? 
>> On 23/10/2013, at 7:25 AM, Zachary Kline  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mike,
>> A few, but nothing huge. I’m more curious to see what happens with the new 
>> iWork apps, in which I suspect many of our accessibility issues have been 
>> addressed.
>> Best,
>> Zack.
>>> On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Are there any new voiceover features?
>>> Original message:
 Hi All,
>>> 
 Now that OS X 10.9, AKA Mavericks, has finally entered public release, it 
 is acceptable to mention it on this list without violating the NDA. :) 
 That being said, I want to gently suggest that VoiceOver users wait to 
 upgrade for a little while, as there are still some issues unresolved from 
 the accessibility testing process.
 While I personally do not consider any of these game breaking, per se, 
 they are significant enough to cause some confusion and annoyance. I 
 suggest just waiting until at least the first general update to the system 
 before committing yourself. In particular, iBooks accessibility is not all 
 that might be hoped-for. It is being actively worked on, and will be 
 improved in the coming weeks.
 Warmest regards,
 Zack.
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Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

[Michael Marshall]

thanks zack,
are you using the new update? 
On 23/10/2013, at 7:25 AM, Zachary Kline  wrote:

> Hi Mike,
> A few, but nothing huge. I’m more curious to see what happens with the new 
> iWork apps, in which I suspect many of our accessibility issues have been 
> addressed.
> Best,
> Zack.
> On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
>> Are there any new voiceover features?
>> Original message:
>>> Hi All,
>> 
>>> Now that OS X 10.9, AKA Mavericks, has finally entered public release, it 
>>> is acceptable to mention it on this list without violating the NDA. :) That 
>>> being said, I want to gently suggest that VoiceOver users wait to upgrade 
>>> for a little while, as there are still some issues unresolved from the 
>>> accessibility testing process.
>>> While I personally do not consider any of these game breaking, per se, they 
>>> are significant enough to cause some confusion and annoyance. I suggest 
>>> just waiting until at least the first general update to the system before 
>>> committing yourself. In particular, iBooks accessibility is not all that 
>>> might be hoped-for. It is being actively worked on, and will be improved in 
>>> the coming weeks.
>>> Warmest regards,
>>> Zack.
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Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

[Michael Marshall]

hey,
i do know that VO now has language support witch means that some voices will 
read a german word in an english paragraph.
On 23/10/2013, at 7:20 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:

> Are there any new voiceover features?
> Original message:
>> Hi All,
> 
>> Now that OS X 10.9, AKA Mavericks, has finally entered public release, it is 
>> acceptable to mention it on this list without violating the NDA. :) That 
>> being said, I want to gently suggest that VoiceOver users wait to upgrade 
>> for a little while, as there are still some issues unresolved from the 
>> accessibility testing process.
>> While I personally do not consider any of these game breaking, per se, they 
>> are significant enough to cause some confusion and annoyance. I suggest just 
>> waiting until at least the first general update to the system before 
>> committing yourself. In particular, iBooks accessibility is not all that 
>> might be hoped-for. It is being actively worked on, and will be improved in 
>> the coming weeks.
>> Warmest regards,
>> Zack.
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Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

[Zachary Kline]

Hi Mike,
A few, but nothing huge. I’m more curious to see what happens with the new 
iWork apps, in which I suspect many of our accessibility issues have been 
addressed.
Best,
Zack.
On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:

> Are there any new voiceover features?
> Original message:
>> Hi All,
> 
>> Now that OS X 10.9, AKA Mavericks, has finally entered public release, it is 
>> acceptable to mention it on this list without violating the NDA. :) That 
>> being said, I want to gently suggest that VoiceOver users wait to upgrade 
>> for a little while, as there are still some issues unresolved from the 
>> accessibility testing process.
>> While I personally do not consider any of these game breaking, per se, they 
>> are significant enough to cause some confusion and annoyance. I suggest just 
>> waiting until at least the first general update to the system before 
>> committing yourself. In particular, iBooks accessibility is not all that 
>> might be hoped-for. It is being actively worked on, and will be improved in 
>> the coming weeks.
>> Warmest regards,
>> Zack.
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Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

[Mike Arrigo]

Are there any new voiceover features?
Original message:

Hi All,


Now that OS X 10.9, AKA Mavericks, has finally entered public release, 
it is acceptable to mention it on this list without violating the NDA. 
:) That being said, I want to gently suggest that VoiceOver users wait 
to upgrade for a little while, as there are still some issues 
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Re: a problem with hiding file extensions

[Michael Marshall]

hey,
the reason i want to hide the extensions in this folder is because these files 
are downloaded and the person who made them has put the time in the file name, 
EG 1930 radio report 5min 4S.mp3. i wanted to get rid of all the times in the 
file names without removing the .mp3 stuff with it.
thanks for any help

Michael
On 23/10/2013, at 12:10 AM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:

> Actually I have all extensions showing . Did you go back out and in to the 
> folder and see if that hid the mp3 extensions. You will want to see those as 
> you will want to know what opens them, at least that's why I have it, and I'm 
> from the doss days where I had to see them lol!
> Take care.
> On Oct 21, 2013, at 10:39 PM, Michael Marshall  
> wrote:
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>> hey listers,
>> i'm having an interesting problem and i'm wondering if anyone can help me 
>> out?
>> i have a folder full of mp3 files but i don't want to see the mp3 extension. 
>> i went into finder prefs and disabled the show all extensions, still 
>> showing. i then went into my folder of mp3 files selected them all and went 
>> into the file inspector and ticked hide extensions and still no luck.
>> has anyone come across this problem? how did you get around it? i must say 
>> this is quite perplexing.
>> any help would be fantastic
>> 
>> thanks
>> 
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OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

[Zachary Kline]

Hi All,

Now that OS X 10.9, AKA Mavericks, has finally entered public release, it is 
acceptable to mention it on this list without violating the NDA. :) That being 
said, I want to gently suggest that VoiceOver users wait to upgrade for a 
little while, as there are still some issues unresolved from the accessibility 
testing process.
While I personally do not consider any of these game breaking, per se, they are 
significant enough to cause some confusion and annoyance. I suggest just 
waiting until at least the first general update to the system before committing 
yourself. In particular, iBooks accessibility is not all that might be 
hoped-for. It is being actively worked on, and will be improved in the coming 
weeks.
Warmest regards,
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Re: Question about Voiceover and a particular web site.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Yes, we have done this as well.

Chris.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Daniela Rubio" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 1:59 AM
Subject: Re: Question about Voiceover and a particular web site.


Did you try to literally interact with the button title and then click with 
the mouse witt Vo+Shift+space or with the trackpad, or, may be, Bringing a 
context menu and clicking something from there?

I don't know the site, but just some other ideas.

Daniela Rubio T
iPhone: +34662328507



El 22/10/2013, a las 06:38, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
 escribió:


Let me know what you find out, as I've gotten no other responses yet prior 
to your's.


Chris.


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- Original Message - From: "Sarah k Alawami" 
To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 11:25 PM
Subject: Re: Question about Voiceover and a particular web site.


Hmm I now a user on my server who uses squirrel mail. I can have them try 
and send me a test email if they are awake enough to do this evening 
(they are in class) I know it used to work, but maybe I"m using a 
different version of the mail thingy. I don't know. If someone beats me 
to the answer that would be nice as what you did was correct in your 
trouble shooting procedures.


Good luck.
On Oct 21, 2013, at 3:01 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:



Hello.

My company has a few customers who are blind using ?voiceover that are 
running into some problems.  I thought that I would throw this question 
out to you guys and see if anyone knows a way to get around this issue.


Basically, we use WHM/CPanel as our server administration.  We also 
have, for web based mail a copy of Squirrel Mail installed on the 
server.


The issue is that when a client logs into their webmail account via 
Squirrel Mail, they then are presented with two frames:  a left frame, 
and a right frame.  Once they interact with the right frame, they can 
get to the link to compose a new message.  This works fine, and they are 
able to get the e-mail composed, and elect to receive a read or a 
deliver receipt, or both.  If they need to attach any files, they also 
can do this with no problem.  The issue however is when they try sending 
off the e-mail to its recipient.  As soon as they press VO+Space on the 
send button, absolutely nothing at all seems to be happening, and we 
have confirmed that the individual who should be receiving the e-mail 
does not get it in their inbox.  When I look at the mail server logs on 
our server, I do not see any trace that the e-mail has gone through the 
smtp server, nor through any sort of path to reach the recipient.


We also tried routing the mouse with command+VO+F5, then clicking with 
VO+shift+Space, and even have tried routing the mouse, then literally 
clicking the track pad, and even have tried pressing return, as well as 
pressing the space bar on this button.  Nothing at all is working.  We 
tried to stop interacting with the right frame, then reinteract just in 
case the page didn't refresh as far as Voiceover was concerned, but this 
doesn't seem to have any effect either.  Further to complicate things, 
we have tried both in Safari, as well as in Google Chrome, I tried 
myself using Webkit, and even using Lightning Web Browser.  On Windows, 
I've tried with Firefox, as well as with Internet Exploder... oh wait... 
did I really just say that? LOL!  At any rate, nothing works.


I'm completely out of options.

We are running Squirrel Mail 1.4.22 on Cent-OS 6 which is running 
CPanel/WHM Web Host Manager 11.38.2.7.


If anyone has any idea, please let me know so that I may promptly answer 
this support ticket on what else may can be done.


Chris.
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test - please ignore

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test sent 17:40
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here it ishere it is..
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scheduler in audiohijack

[Moop Curran]

Hi,
Is there a way to use the scheduler feature in audiohijack pro?
Thanks,
Courtney


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Re: Dictation

[Sarah k Alawami]

Hmm. never could get the 2 finger double tap for dictation to work. It normally 
just starts playing the book I'm listening to. I normally just find the button 
with my thumb as half the time I'm walking.

Tc all.
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> Thanks for all that, I have to admit to finding the dictation facilities very 
> convenient, like the way you can double tap with 2 fingers on an edit text 
> field, start dictating and perform another 2 finger double tap on that field 
> to finish, makes things easier than ever.
> 
> On 23/10/2013, at 12:09 AM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
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>> Dunno if full stop will work for me as I'm set to us english. but it's worth 
>> a try.
>> 
>> Take care and good luck.
>> On Oct 22, 2013, at 2:11 AM, Andy Collins  wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes. Just say full stop or comma or queston mark etc -
>>> 
>>> Andy
>>> On 22 Oct 2013, at 08:58, Dane Trethowan  wrote:
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 Stupid question I'm sure that can you insert punctuation into your 
 dictation
 
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Re: Dictation

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Thanks for all that, I have to admit to finding the dictation facilities very 
convenient, like the way you can double tap with 2 fingers on an edit text 
field, start dictating and perform another 2 finger double tap on that field to 
finish, makes things easier than ever.

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> Dunno if full stop will work for me as I'm set to us english. but it's worth 
> a try.
> 
> Take care and good luck.
> On Oct 22, 2013, at 2:11 AM, Andy Collins  wrote:
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>> Yes. Just say full stop or comma or queston mark etc -
>> 
>> Andy
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Re: Formatting/partitioning an external drive on a Mac

[Sarah k Alawami]

1. go to disk utility

2. go to the drive name, for example 2 tb elements

3. go to the partitions tab and set it to 1.

4. name the partition (not required but a good idea) and make sure you are set 
to what ever format in the pop up button (for example mac osx extended 
journaled) 
5. make sure the size is correct.

6. hit the partition button.
7. Read the warning very carefully and make sure you understand what will be 
erased.
8 except the warning and wait for about maybe 5 minutes on the outside. I've 
had this task get done in about 5 or so minutes on a good day.


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> Hello, 
> 
> I have a 2 tB external drive that I am using with my PC. I know that I need 
> to move all of the folders/files off before undertaking this task. I 
> understand that I need to go to utilities-disk utility in the main hard 
> drive. What I am seeking are step-by-step instructions on how to complete the 
> partition process after the above has been done. I would appreciate any input 
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Re: a problem with hiding file extensions

[Sarah k Alawami]

Actually I have all extensions showing . Did you go back out and in to the 
folder and see if that hid the mp3 extensions. You will want to see those as 
you will want to know what opens them, at least that's why I have it, and I'm 
from the doss days where I had to see them lol!
Take care.
On Oct 21, 2013, at 10:39 PM, Michael Marshall  
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> hey listers,
> i'm having an interesting problem and i'm wondering if anyone can help me out?
> i have a folder full of mp3 files but i don't want to see the mp3 extension. 
> i went into finder prefs and disabled the show all extensions, still showing. 
> i then went into my folder of mp3 files selected them all and went into the 
> file inspector and ticked hide extensions and still no luck.
> has anyone come across this problem? how did you get around it? i must say 
> this is quite perplexing.
> any help would be fantastic
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Re: Dictation

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Dunno if full stop will work for me as I'm set to us english. but it's worth a 
try.

Take care and good luck.
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Re: Dictation

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Yes you can. just say the  name of it. like for example 

I like cake period

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Re: iPhone 5c versus 5s

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Hello Paul,

Well the 5S has a 64bit processor. Which is taking mobile activity to a new 
higher level. Whether it will make it easier for VO users, I'm not sure. 
Certainly, benchmark tests suggest it is a lot faster. But if there are 
benefits to us, I don't know. Certainly, it seems logical to me if you are 
using apps like look tell, tap tap see, O C R apps etc. The faster processor 
and better camera on the 5S will be a worthy long term investment. You need to 
ask yourself. What do I currently use a phone for? What might I use a phone for 
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> What are the differences between the 5c and the 5s other than the case and 
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Hopefully sent from hopewell via gmail. 
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Re: iPhone 5c versus 5s

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Hi Paul. I have the 5s, but I have heard from people who have the 5c
that it seems a bit sluggish, the speaker doesn't sound as good, it's
possibly slightly heavier in weight, it doesn't support the
fingerpring sensor, it has older architecture processor. So for the
sake of 80 quid difference, I would go for the 5s. Hope this helps?

Cheers

Thuy


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> I have had an iPhone 3GS 16GB for some time and am now considering upgrading
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> my Apps which were upgraded to IOS 7 no longer work on IOS 6. supp9oort no
> lA
>
> What are the differences between the 5c and the 5s other than the case and
> the price? Does the 5c support the new finger print unlock mechanism? Why
> might I consider the 5s rather than the cheaper 5c?
>
> Many thanks in anticipation of your advice.
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Re: iPhone 5c versus 5s

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Hi!

The 5C is exactly the same as the 5 in processing power though the colour may 
be different and its made from plastic instead of metal.

As I recall you're in Australia right? I know the pricing of the 5C and the 5S 
in Australia and there's not all that much difference in the pricing when all 
said and done and - given that the 5S is a phone with much more power - I'd be 
inclined to forget about the 5C completely and get the 5S.

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> the price? Does the 5c support the new finger print unlock mechanism? Why 
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Re: iPhone 5c versus 5s

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No the 5c does not support the fingerprint technology only the 5s does.

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On 22/10/2013 11:24, Paul Hopewell wrote:

Hello,
I have had an iPhone 3GS 16GB for some time and am now considering upgrading to 
an iPhone 5c or 5s both 16GB. the 3GS does not support IOS 7 and some of my 
Apps which were upgraded to IOS 7 no longer work on IOS 6. supp9oort no lA

What are the differences between the 5c and the 5s other than the case and the 
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iPhone 5c versus 5s

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Hello, 
I have had an iPhone 3GS 16GB for some time and am now considering upgrading to 
an iPhone 5c or 5s both 16GB. the 3GS does not support IOS 7 and some of my 
Apps which were upgraded to IOS 7 no longer work on IOS 6. supp9oort no lA 

What are the differences between the 5c and the 5s other than the case and the 
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Re: Dictation

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Yes. Just say full stop or comma or queston mark etc -

Andy
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Dictation

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