iBooks on the mac.

[Ian McNamara]

Hello all, how do I take a book back to the beginning in iBooks if I want to 
read from the start of the book again. I am wondering if anyone finds mavericks 
a little sluggish with voice over.

Ian McNamara
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Re: Question about upgrading to mavericks and thanks

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Hi,
For all practical purposes, either upgrade method is the same, they get you to 
the same place. Software update was traditionally used, but it doesn't matter.
Best,
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Re: Voiceover Sluggishness

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Hi Sarah,

Thanks for the reply. Is it Samantha compact or just Samantha?

Thanks.
On 10/25/2013 8:52 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

I use samantha and even in my basic tutorials when I use allis  for demo stuff 
there is a slight delay. I have since switched to  samantha for responsive in 
the tutorials and in m my daily usage of the mac. lol!

Tc.
On Oct 25, 2013, at 4:05 AM, Parham Doustdar  wrote:


Hi,

I had spoken to a friend regarding the sluggishness I’m experiencing with my 
Mac Mini, even though its processor is core I7 and it has 4 GB of DDR3 ram. He 
had guessed that it may be related to the lack of displays. However, right now 
I’m finding that it is, in fact, not.

Yesterday when listening to the mac basics podcasts on AppleVis, I thought I 
could hear the same delay in that user’s VO as well; there is about a 0.5 
seconds delay before VO responds to a key press. I’ve experimented with this 
and I’m guessing the issue is not VO’s fault but Alex’s; VO plays the voice 
tones instantly but it takes a while for the speech to come in.

Do any of you have this issue? If so and if my analysis is right, what voice do 
you use? Since I’m used to eSpeak, the human factor in synthesizers is not 
really important for me; I prefer responsiveness to quality every day.

Thanks.
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Question about upgrading to mavericks and thanks

[Matthew Carello]

Hello all. I was just curious if it is better to upgrade to mavericks via the 
mac app store or software update on the mac? Also I wanted to thank those who 
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Re: Hiding A Window From Command+Tab

[Parham Doustdar]

Hi David et al,

Let me raise my issue and see if you have a better way of solving it, 
other than hiding the windows, which, as I've found so far, is not possible.


As you know, the Iranian government has censored lots of websites. To 
that end, I ssh to a friend's PC in the UK and create a tunnel (using 
the -D option) on a local port. I then use Proxifier to redirect all my 
local traffic to that port, and start using the internet in all its 
glory. :-)


Now, at this point, I have four windows open: Proxifier, Mail, Finder 
and Terminal. Since I'm used to having two or three windows in this list 
instead of four at minimum, you can see why I'm trying to reduce the number.


Thanks.
On 10/25/2013 10:10 PM, David Griffith wrote:

I think  we just have to accept that the Mac does things differently.
On Windows you can cycle through multiple applications and open windows
within those applications with alt tab.
This causes massive potential for confusing multiple alt tabbing through
multiple windows from multiple open applications.
In contrast on the Mac cycling through Windows is restricted to a single
application and does not extend to multiple windows across apps. The need
for the Windows solution of hiding windows is not therefore anywhere near as
great on the Mac side.
It is not surprising therefore that this option does not appear to exist on
the \Mac platform.
Of course if you want to navigate multiple windows across several open
applications you can do this with Application Chooser and sort out the
window you need from there under the application heading.

David Griffith

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Subject: Re: Hiding A Window From Command+Tab

Hi!
OK I had a play and unfortunately the Apps still appear in Command+tab!
So that is not what you want!
Colin

On 25 Oct 2013, at 17:16, Chris H  wrote:


Maybe providing it is also not in the command tab list or as one pointed

out app switcher which i never think of that on a mac for the sake of
ambiguity.

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On 25/10/2013 16:01, Red.Falcon wrote:

Hi!
OK I'm not sure if this does the trick but their is the minimise command

[Command+M] that sends the app your in to the doc!

Could that be the one!
HTH Colin

On 25 Oct 2013, at 13:10, JAMES AUSTIN 

wrote:

Hi Chris and all
On 25 Oct 2013, at 12:22, chris  wrote:

Ok then. So all, what exactly does this hide command do? Any responses

greatly appreciated.

The "Hide" command only hides the window of the current application. The

"Hide Others" command hides all of the other windows, leaving only the
current application's window visible. I guess it is used to minimise clutter
on the screen. As you have found, this will not hide the application from
the app switcher.

Best
James

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more on gmail and mail

[Sarah k Alawami]

Hello to all. I notice that  for example under accounts and mail box behaviors 
it  will not retain my draft settings. I unchecked the save drafts on server as 
I don’t want them there as I always get dupes and they never go away. I uncheck 
that, and hit save when the  dialogue comes up when I hit cmd w.  all is good, 
how ever if I go back in to there the status is still checked of that check 
box. Am I making sense? I can hardly describe the issue so there you go, 
there’s my best attempt. Can anyone verify this happens?

Take care.
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tffp presents looking at linked in for ios

[Sarah k Alawami]

Hello to all. I decided to share  this with as many people as I could as I know 
some of you are on linked in. I can’t believe how many bugs there are.  in the 
iOS app. It’s usable but there are some major changes that need to be done to 
make the app 100 percent accessible. here’s the link to the  episode. 

http://www.tffppodcast.com/?p=2373
enjoy all.
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Re: Airdrop

[Sarah k Alawami]

If you mean the iPhone then all you have to do is  unable it for contacts, Ok I 
recommend this for safety reasons.

Then choose what ou want to sure and wait for one of your contacts to appear. 
you need to be with in 30 feet of them per my findings. click share then wait 
for them to appearing the air drop thing. I’ll be doing a  podcas ton this when 
one of my contact arrives here in a month.

Tc.
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Re: Thanking Gordon for app recommendation

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Hi Chris

You’re more than welcome.  I use the big brother of this app, CleranMyMac 
which, sadly, isn’t free.  But I find that it does a terrific job as well.  I 
guess others will say “So does Cocktail”, “so does boa boa boa”.  Well yeah, I 
guess that’s true.  I just happen to like this suite of utilities and I thought 
I’d share that with the group.  Rest assured that if I find any more little 
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> I just got around to installing the app that Gordon suggested to all of us 
> the other day:  Clean My Drive External Drive.  Wow!  This thing's simply 
> brilliant!  It's really not got an interface to it worth writing home about, 
> but for what the app is supposed to do, cleaning off all that gunk that is 
> put on external drives by OSX like the .spotlight folder or the .7st folder 
> or whatever it's called, the .trashes folder etc, it does a heck! of a job! 
> Another thing about it I noticed when I hit vo+space on it from the menu 
> extras area is that I can even eject all volumes that are mounted all at one 
> given time.  I thought that was really really cool!  Well?  So much for me 
> using Mountain then I guess.  This does all that utility did, plus even 
> cleans the garbage, so, yeah.  Needless to say, I'm quite impressed.  And for 
> the app being freeware, you can't beat it!
> 
> So, again, thanks Gordon, for such an awesome recommendation.  If you have 
> any more, please do share them.
> 
> Chris.
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Re: Pages for iOS latest version

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Oh, ok.  Well, even still... that's not bad.

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No I don't think Jarte provides this support. You have to make it Word
format from Pages.

David Griffith

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Wo!  Jart'll open .pages files?  Oh my God!  I gotta try this!  Oh, you 
just


saved me a heck! of trouble, if so!

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Subject: Pages for iOS latest version



Updated my copy of Pages on my iPhone 4s.
So far so good.
Was able to add some text to a blank template I used to create a new
document.
Was then able to send a copy of this document via mail which sent it as 
an



attachment.
Retrieved the attachment on my Windows 7 64 bit laptop.
Opened the Pages document in Jarte and was totally readable.
Nearly forgot told Pages to send it as a Word document.
As said so far so good and Cudos for Apple.


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No I don't think Jarte provides this support. You have to make it Word
format from Pages.

David Griffith

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Wo!  Jart'll open .pages files?  Oh my God!  I gotta try this!  Oh, you just

saved me a heck! of trouble, if so!

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To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 2:54 PM
Subject: Pages for iOS latest version


> Updated my copy of Pages on my iPhone 4s.
> So far so good.
> Was able to add some text to a blank template I used to create a new 
> document.
> Was then able to send a copy of this document via mail which sent it as an

> attachment.
> Retrieved the attachment on my Windows 7 64 bit laptop.
> Opened the Pages document in Jarte and was totally readable.
> Nearly forgot told Pages to send it as a Word document.
> As said so far so good and Cudos for Apple.
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Re: "night owl" twitter client user error or a bug?

[Sarah k Alawami]

That is not a night owl issue. that is a twitter api v 1.1 issue.  it’s been 
going on since june or so.  What I do is hit cmd option single quote to get to 
to the drawer, then just open the actions menu go to follow status and hit 
follow.

Take care.

Btw I did not mean single quote I just meant the key to the right of the ; key. 
that is cmd cmd option ‘ 

Tc and good luck.
On Oct 25, 2013, at 2:30 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick  
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> Hi all,
> 
> 
> I wonder if the good old night-owl (YoruFukurou) is still under development 
> as there hasn’t been an update in ages.  Anyways, has anyone else noticed 
> that it won’t let you follow someone?
> 
> I’ve tried typing “follow (username)” a few times now and the tweet gets 
> posted rather than the action requested being carried out.
> 
> Is there any half decent alternative?  I don’t like Syrinx at all.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
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Re: Question about CCleaner

[Dane Trethowan]

Hi!

I'm a CCleaner user myself across platforms.

Firstly I haven't used this utility for the Mac of late, it han't been updated 
for a while as far as I'm aware though I'm going to have a look once I've 
finished writing this eMail .

Secondly, before anyone uses CCleaner or anything else its a good idea to 
backup your Mac and of course! the Mac is one of those machines that has the 
auto backup facility built-in in the form of Time Capsule, if you backup your 
system then - Should CCleaner or anything else do any damage - you can 
"Restore" from the backup and continue as though nothing had happened.

When using CCleaner, use the "Analyse" function to have CCleaner do an analysis 
of your machine if you're unsure of what you should clean or change yourself.


On 26 Oct 2013, at 7:10 am, Chris H  wrote:

> I would use Onyx seems safer and knows exactly what to clean. This is free 
> but not in the Mac App store. Try
> www.macupdate.com
> 
> 
> E-mail Facebook and iMessage
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> On 25/10/2013 20:36, Matthew Carello wrote:
>> Hello all. I was just wondering what areas are safe to clean with CCleaner 
>> for the mac? I have seen a few articles on this but non were absolutely 
>> sure. Thanks for any help.
>> 
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Re: Ending a phone call on iPhone

[Zachary Kline]

Hi Chris,
I’m not sure about this. I’ve never had occasion to try using my phone with Vo 
off, certainly not on a call. Interesting question, but I doubt the behavior is 
an accident.
BEst,
Zack.
On Oct 25, 2013, at 3:31 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:

> Is it true that people who're sighted without Voiceover don't have the thing 
> go to speaker phone when moving the phone away from their ear?  If that is 
> indeed correct, then why on earth would Apple hav made this happen with VO 
> turned on?  The only logical thing I could think is it's gonna be hard to 
> hear coming just through the earpiece if it's away from your ear, so they 
> took that into account.  If that's why, then ok, I totally! see their 
> reasonings.  Otherwise though...
> 
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> - Original Message - From: "Zachary Kline" 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 5:21 PM
> Subject: Re: Ending a phone call on iPhone
> 
> 
> Hi Chris,
> One thing to be aware of is that the phone may lock while you’re on the call. 
> It’s possible you’ll need to unlock it first before your two-finger double 
> tap will work. More over, if you aren’t using headphones, the screen is shut 
> off if you hold it close to your face, which is why I generally recommend 
> headphones for long term use. If you move the phone away, you’ll activate 
> speaker phone.
> Best,
> Zack.
> On Oct 25, 2013, at 2:18 PM, Chris Goodwin  wrote:
> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> Ironically, one of the trickiest things I'm finding to do with my iPhone is 
>> to end a phone call.  If I call someone using Siri then two finger double 
>> tap seems amazingly unreliable.VoiceOver seems either to shut up or be 
>> very quiet.
>> 
>> Is it just me or   is there a reliable way of ending a call?
>> 
>> I can't depend on the other end hanging up - I struggled to end a call today 
>> when the number I called was engaged.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
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Re: Ending a phone call on iPhone

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Is it true that people who're sighted without Voiceover don't have the thing 
go to speaker phone when moving the phone away from their ear?  If that is 
indeed correct, then why on earth would Apple hav made this happen with VO 
turned on?  The only logical thing I could think is it's gonna be hard to 
hear coming just through the earpiece if it's away from your ear, so they 
took that into account.  If that's why, then ok, I totally! see their 
reasonings.  Otherwise though...


Chris.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Zachary Kline" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: Ending a phone call on iPhone


Hi Chris,
One thing to be aware of is that the phone may lock while you’re on the 
call. It’s possible you’ll need to unlock it first before your two-finger 
double tap will work. More over, if you aren’t using headphones, the screen 
is shut off if you hold it close to your face, which is why I generally 
recommend headphones for long term use. If you move the phone away, you’ll 
activate speaker phone.

Best,
Zack.
On Oct 25, 2013, at 2:18 PM, Chris Goodwin  
wrote:



Hello all,

Ironically, one of the trickiest things I'm finding to do with my iPhone 
is to end a phone call.  If I call someone using Siri then two finger 
double tap seems amazingly unreliable.VoiceOver seems either to shut 
up or be very quiet.


Is it just me or   is there a reliable way of ending a call?

I can't depend on the other end hanging up - I struggled to end a call 
today when the number I called was engaged.


Thanks,

Chris
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Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Gordon, With the utmost of respect, why would that be non-public if you 
don't mind me asking?  I could see it being so during the testing phaise, 
but it's been released at this point, the things that went on in testing are 
things in the past.  It would be like someone dies on the operating table. 
While alive, due to HIPA, you couldn't disclose any info about the patient 
if you were a medical specialist, but once they die, and you have their 
death cirtifiquet, who cares at that point.  They're dead!  It's not like 
saying anything medical about them would really per sé change anything. 
They're no longer here on earth, so regardless your spiritual or religious 
belief, the bottom line is, they're not on earth.  That we can't argue.  You 
can't change something private that is only of the past.  OK, that was kind 
of an insinsitive point, and I apologize for that, I realize that, but I 
hope that it truthly makes my point.


If there is something I don't get, then let me know, by all means, and I'll 
refrane from further testing discussion, but I'm totally baffeled.  Why 
would that be still on NDA.  Mavericks is out.  O, K, anything still! being 
developed in the present with Mavericks is one thing, that, I could see 
being on NDA, but as far as the section of part that went on prior, to the 
official release, I don't see where that couldn't be discussed at this 
point.


I mean, you're the mod.  If you say no discussion, no means no, but I 
mean... no offense... really though?


Again, quite obviously, I mean this with profuse all due respect, and 
absolutely no illed feelings are intended in this message toward you, Lynn, 
the list, nor Apple.


Chris.


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- Original Message - 
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To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit


Hi

I should make the point that although the operating system is now public, 
what went on in the test phase is very much still non-public.


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On 23 Oct 2013, at 01:19, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
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I guess now that we're no longer on NDA, I will say I agree with Zack.  I 
too, found that the testing cycle was not exactly the smoothest.  As I 
recall, there was even  one seed, I wanna say #3 if I remember correctly, 
that was so broken, it didn't even boot.


Anyway... yeah.

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- Original Message - From: "Zachary Kline" 
To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit



Hi,
Yes, I am, And have been for several months. The testing process has not 
been as smooth as in past releases, but I trust that things will 
eventually settle down. I just thought I should get the note out there, 
before some people upgraded and started panicking when iBooks didn't work 
as well as it could. :-)

All the best,
Zack.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:36 PM, Michael Marshall 
 wrote:


thanks zack,
are you using the new update?

On 23/10/2013, at 7:25 AM, Zachary Kline  wrote:

Hi Mike,
A few, but nothing huge. I’m more curious to see what happens with the 
new iWork apps, in which I suspect many of our accessibility issues 
have been addressed.

Best,
Zack.

On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:

Are there any new voiceover features?
Original message:

Hi All,


Now that OS X 10.9, AKA Mavericks, has finally entered public 
release, it is acceptable to mention it on this list without 
violating the NDA. :) That being said, I want to gently suggest that 
VoiceOver users wait to upgrade for a little while, as there are 
still some issues unresolved from the accessibility testing process.
While I personally do not consider any of these game breaking, per 
se, they are significant enough to cause some confusion and 
annoyance. I suggest just waiting until at least the first general 
update to the system before committing yourself. In particular, 
iBooks accessibility is not all that might be hoped-for. It is being 
actively worked on, and will be impr

Re: Twitterrific for mac

[Shaun Oliver]

I can sum that up in one word. no.

On 26/10/2013 05:18, Chris H wrote:

Subject says most of it. Is it accessible like Twitterrific for iOS?


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Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Gordon, if you'd rather me write you about this off list on the support 
address instead, I'll be happy to refrane further from doing so on here, but 
just one extremely quick question about those books:  What format are they 
in?  Are they EPub?  Would I use something like IBooks, or Stanza to read 
them, or how exactly would that work?


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To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit



Hi Esther

Yes, these books are certainly available from us.  We haven’t had the 
opportunity to update the catalogue yet, but that is on my list of things 
to do for the next couple of days.  In the interim, if you’d like the 
books, by all means come to us with your request.

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On 23 Oct 2013, at 00:17, Esther  wrote:


Bryan,

That's great news.  Does this work the same way it used to? By that I 
mean that you can use this to navigate threads (conversations) as well as 
your entire mailbox to go to the first or last message, by holding down 
the Option+Up or Down arrow key for a short time.


And is it also worth mentioning that there are new Take Control series 
eBooks for Upgrading to Mavericks, and for using iBooks, although I 
haven't seen the contents yet?  These should be eligible for purchase 
using the discount that is available to mac-access list subscribers.


To remind list members, there is information about this at:
http://www.mac-access.net/Take-Control.html

Note that the titles I mentioned are very recently announced additions 
that are not yet listed in the local accessible version of the Take 
Control catalog.


HTH. Cheers,

Esther

On Oct 22, 2013, at 12:11 PM, Bryan Jones wrote:

Call me easy to please, but I am thrilled that they’ve reinstated the 
ability to use the Option+Up/Down arrows to move to top and bottom 
message rows in Mavericks’ Mail.app


;-)

-Bryan

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Re: Pages for iOS latest version

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Wo!  Jart'll open .pages files?  Oh my God!  I gotta try this!  Oh, you just 
saved me a heck! of trouble, if so!


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- Original Message - 
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To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 2:54 PM
Subject: Pages for iOS latest version



Updated my copy of Pages on my iPhone 4s.
So far so good.
Was able to add some text to a blank template I used to create a new 
document.
Was then able to send a copy of this document via mail which sent it as an 
attachment.

Retrieved the attachment on my Windows 7 64 bit laptop.
Opened the Pages document in Jarte and was totally readable.
Nearly forgot told Pages to send it as a Word document.
As said so far so good and Cudos for Apple.


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Re: iWork positive impressions

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Would that be why when I tried creating a table and I tried making the top 
row of the table be a header row, VO didn't indicate this?  I thought maybe 
it was because I really hadn't made a table header row, and didn't know 
completely what I was doing.  Could it be that in actuality, I did indeed do 
it, but VO just didn't tell me so?


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Hi Zack

One thing that doesn’t work at all is headings.  If, for instance, you have 
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them.  It does, however, now read lists extremely well. That, at least, is a 
very big improvement.


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Hi ALl,
I wanted to write and say that thus far I’ve had very positive impressions 
of the new iWork sweet for Mavericks. Tables work seamlessly in Pages, and 
the whole system seems more friendly to VoiceOver. I’ve yet to try the 
other apps in the sweet, but trust similar progress has been made.

Best,
Zack.
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Re: Twitterrific for mac

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Wait, OK, I feel really smart.  You're right Zack.  I'm not thinking of 
Twitterrific.  I think I'm thinking of Sirynx.


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To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: Twitterrific for mac


Not at this time. I think they plan to make it more so with the next major 
update.

Best,
Zack.
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Subject says most of it. Is it accessible like Twitterrific for iOS?
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Re: Twitterrific for mac

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Yeah, kind a, but in my personal opinion, it isn't quite as feature rich.

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Subject says most of it. Is it accessible like Twitterrific for iOS?
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"night owl" twitter client user error or a bug?

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi all,


I wonder if the good old night-owl (YoruFukurou) is still under development as 
there hasn’t been an update in ages.  Anyways, has anyone else noticed that it 
won’t let you follow someone?

I’ve tried typing “follow (username)” a few times now and the tweet gets posted 
rather than the action requested being carried out.

Is there any half decent alternative?  I don’t like Syrinx at all.

Cheers,

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Re: Ending a phone call on iPhone

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Hi Chris,
One thing to be aware of is that the phone may lock while you’re on the call. 
It’s possible you’ll need to unlock it first before your two-finger double tap 
will work. More over, if you aren’t using headphones, the screen is shut off if 
you hold it close to your face, which is why I generally recommend headphones 
for long term use. If you move the phone away, you’ll activate speaker phone.
Best,
Zack.
On Oct 25, 2013, at 2:18 PM, Chris Goodwin  wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> Ironically, one of the trickiest things I'm finding to do with my iPhone is 
> to end a phone call.  If I call someone using Siri then two finger double tap 
> seems amazingly unreliable.VoiceOver seems either to shut up or be very 
> quiet.
> 
> Is it just me or   is there a reliable way of ending a call?
> 
> I can't depend on the other end hanging up - I struggled to end a call today 
> when the number I called was engaged.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
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itunes audiobook issue solved

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Evening folks,


Turned out that the distortion experienced on audiobook playback was 
generalised.  On a hunch I check the EQ and it was both on, and set to small 
speakers.  Turning it off fixed the issue.  This may not affect anyone else but 
it might hence passing it on.


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Ending a phone call on iPhone

[Chris Goodwin]

Hello all,

Ironically, one of the trickiest things I'm finding to do with my iPhone is 
to end a phone call.  If I call someone using Siri then two finger double 
tap seems amazingly unreliable.VoiceOver seems either to shut up or be 
very quiet.


Is it just me or   is there a reliable way of ending a call?

I can't depend on the other end hanging up - I struggled to end a call today 
when the number I called was engaged.


Thanks,

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interval for checking for mail in mavericks

[don bishop]

Hi,
I had the mail checked every 1 minute prior to upgrading to Mavericks.  After 
upgrading it was set to automatic instead.  What’s the difference between a 
time interval and automatic?  
Thanks,
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Re: Question about CCleaner

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I would use Onyx seems safer and knows exactly what to clean. This is 
free but not in the Mac App store. Try

www.macupdate.com


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Hello all. I was just wondering what areas are safe to clean with CCleaner for 
the mac? I have seen a few articles on this but non were absolutely sure. 
Thanks for any help.

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Re: a question about audio games for the mac

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thanks for that, i will look at the games at some point.
On 25 Oct 2013, at 11:24 pm, Chris H  wrote:

> Check out the games from Draconis Entertainment in the Mac App Store. There 
> may be others I am unaware of.
> mail Facebook and iMessage
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> On 25/10/2013 12:27, Michael Marshall wrote:
>> hey listers,
>> i’m wondering if anyone knows of any sites that have mac audio games? i was 
>> thinking about it today. i’m not a big player of card games or puzzle games 
>> but i thought i would ask because there were some decent games back in my 
>> windows days.
>> thanks for any help
>> 
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Question about CCleaner

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Fusion and key mapping for vinux 4

[matthew dyer]

Hi all,

Yesterday I installed fusion5 and vinux 4 and I discovered that there were some 
conflicts for example, there is no contects menu key and there is no way to use 
the caps key for an orca modifier. Is there a way to change this in fusion 
preferences?  Thanks.


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Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

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Hi

I should make the point that although the operating system is now public, what 
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On 23 Oct 2013, at 01:19, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
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> I guess now that we're no longer on NDA, I will say I agree with Zack.  I 
> too, found that the testing cycle was not exactly the smoothest.  As I 
> recall, there was even  one seed, I wanna say #3 if I remember correctly, 
> that was so broken, it didn't even boot.
> 
> Anyway... yeah.
> 
> Chris.
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> - Original Message - From: "Zachary Kline" 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:41 PM
> Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit
> 
> 
>> Hi,
>> Yes, I am, And have been for several months. The testing process has not 
>> been as smooth as in past releases, but I trust that things will eventually 
>> settle down. I just thought I should get the note out there, before some 
>> people upgraded and started panicking when iBooks didn't work as well as it 
>> could. :-)
>> All the best,
>> Zack.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:36 PM, Michael Marshall  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> thanks zack,
>>> are you using the new update?
 On 23/10/2013, at 7:25 AM, Zachary Kline  wrote:
 
 Hi Mike,
 A few, but nothing huge. I’m more curious to see what happens with the new 
 iWork apps, in which I suspect many of our accessibility issues have been 
 addressed.
 Best,
 Zack.
> On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> Are there any new voiceover features?
> Original message:
>> Hi All,
> 
>> Now that OS X 10.9, AKA Mavericks, has finally entered public release, 
>> it is acceptable to mention it on this list without violating the NDA. 
>> :) That being said, I want to gently suggest that VoiceOver users wait 
>> to upgrade for a little while, as there are still some issues unresolved 
>> from the accessibility testing process.
>> While I personally do not consider any of these game breaking, per se, 
>> they are significant enough to cause some confusion and annoyance. I 
>> suggest just waiting until at least the first general update to the 
>> system before committing yourself. In particular, iBooks accessibility 
>> is not all that might be hoped-for. It is being actively worked on, and 
>> will be improved in the coming weeks.
>> Warmest regards,
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Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

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Hi Esther

Yes, these books are certainly available from us.  We haven’t had the 
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On 23 Oct 2013, at 00:17, Esther  wrote:

> Bryan,
> 
> That's great news.  Does this work the same way it used to? By that I mean 
> that you can use this to navigate threads (conversations) as well as your 
> entire mailbox to go to the first or last message, by holding down the 
> Option+Up or Down arrow key for a short time.
> 
> And is it also worth mentioning that there are new Take Control series eBooks 
> for Upgrading to Mavericks, and for using iBooks, although I haven't seen the 
> contents yet?  These should be eligible for purchase using the discount that 
> is available to mac-access list subscribers.
> 
> To remind list members, there is information about this at:
> http://www.mac-access.net/Take-Control.html
> 
> Note that the titles I mentioned are very recently announced additions that 
> are not yet listed in the local accessible version of the Take Control 
> catalog.
> 
> HTH. Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On Oct 22, 2013, at 12:11 PM, Bryan Jones wrote:
> 
>> Call me easy to please, but I am thrilled that they’ve reinstated the 
>> ability to use the Option+Up/Down arrows to move to top and bottom message 
>> rows in Mavericks’ Mail.app
>> 
>> ;-)
>> 
>> -Bryan
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Re: iWork positive impressions

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Hi Gordon,
Yeah, headings are still important to indicate. I should note that this seems 
distinct from the headings in Pages, which are read properly and even split 
into their own section. I guess they didn’t account for headers in the body 
text.
Best,
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Pages for iOS latest version

[Chris H]

Updated my copy of Pages on my iPhone 4s.
So far so good.
Was able to add some text to a blank template I used to create a new 
document.
Was then able to send a copy of this document via mail which sent it as 
an attachment.

Retrieved the attachment on my Windows 7 64 bit laptop.
Opened the Pages document in Jarte and was totally readable.
Nearly forgot told Pages to send it as a Word document.
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Re: iWork positive impressions

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Hi Zack

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> whole system seems more friendly to VoiceOver. I’ve yet to try the other apps 
> in the sweet, but trust similar progress has been made.
> Best,
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Re: Twitterrific for mac

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Not at this time. I think they plan to make it more so with the next major 
update.
Best,
Zack.
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Twitterrific for mac

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Subject says most of it. Is it accessible like Twitterrific for iOS?
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RE: Hiding A Window From Command+Tab

[David Griffith]

I think  we just have to accept that the Mac does things differently.
On Windows you can cycle through multiple applications and open windows
within those applications with alt tab.
This causes massive potential for confusing multiple alt tabbing through
multiple windows from multiple open applications.
In contrast on the Mac cycling through Windows is restricted to a single
application and does not extend to multiple windows across apps. The need
for the Windows solution of hiding windows is not therefore anywhere near as
great on the Mac side.
It is not surprising therefore that this option does not appear to exist on
the \Mac platform.
Of course if you want to navigate multiple windows across several open
applications you can do this with Application Chooser and sort out the
window you need from there under the application heading.

David Griffith

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Subject: Re: Hiding A Window From Command+Tab

Hi!
OK I had a play and unfortunately the Apps still appear in Command+tab!
So that is not what you want!
Colin

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>> OK I'm not sure if this does the trick but their is the minimise command
[Command+M] that sends the app your in to the doc!
>> Could that be the one!
>> HTH Colin
>> 
>> On 25 Oct 2013, at 13:10, JAMES AUSTIN 
wrote:
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>>> Hi Chris and all
>>> On 25 Oct 2013, at 12:22, chris  wrote:
 Ok then. So all, what exactly does this hide command do? Any responses
greatly appreciated.
>>> The "Hide" command only hides the window of the current application. The
"Hide Others" command hides all of the other windows, leaving only the
current application's window visible. I guess it is used to minimise clutter
on the screen. As you have found, this will not hide the application from
the app switcher.
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Re: If You Have an iPhone And A Fritz! Box

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This would be off topic for this group. The Fritz! Box is not Apple-related but 
for the application Dane described which would be in order.  If you want to 
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audiobook playback in iTUnes: muffled sound?

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi folks,

Playing around with Mavericks here.  When listening to Audible books on iTunes, 
I’m noticing very distorted sound.  All other music and content is fine.  
Anyone else noticing this?

Cheers.

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Re: Hiding A Window From Command+Tab

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Hi!
OK I had a play and unfortunately the Apps still appear in Command+tab!
So that is not what you want!
Colin

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>> Hi!
>> OK I'm not sure if this does the trick but their is the minimise command 
>> [Command+M] that sends the app your in to the doc!
>> Could that be the one!
>> HTH Colin
>> 
>> On 25 Oct 2013, at 13:10, JAMES AUSTIN  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Chris and all
>>> On 25 Oct 2013, at 12:22, chris  wrote:
 Ok then. So all, what exactly does this hide command do? Any responses 
 greatly appreciated.
>>> The "Hide" command only hides the window of the current application. The 
>>> "Hide Others" command hides all of the other windows, leaving only the 
>>> current application's window visible. I guess it is used to minimise 
>>> clutter on the screen. As you have found, this will not hide the 
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Re: Voiceover Sluggishness

[Sarah k Alawami]

I use samantha and even in my basic tutorials when I use allis  for demo stuff 
there is a slight delay. I have since switched to  samantha for responsive in 
the tutorials and in m my daily usage of the mac. lol!

Tc.
On Oct 25, 2013, at 4:05 AM, Parham Doustdar  wrote:

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> 
> I had spoken to a friend regarding the sluggishness I’m experiencing with my 
> Mac Mini, even though its processor is core I7 and it has 4 GB of DDR3 ram. 
> He had guessed that it may be related to the lack of displays. However, right 
> now I’m finding that it is, in fact, not.
> 
> Yesterday when listening to the mac basics podcasts on AppleVis, I thought I 
> could hear the same delay in that user’s VO as well; there is about a 0.5 
> seconds delay before VO responds to a key press. I’ve experimented with this 
> and I’m guessing the issue is not VO’s fault but Alex’s; VO plays the voice 
> tones instantly but it takes a while for the speech to come in.
> 
> Do any of you have this issue? If so and if my analysis is right, what voice 
> do you use? Since I’m used to eSpeak, the human factor in synthesizers is not 
> really important for me; I prefer responsiveness to quality every day.
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Re: Hiding A Window From Command+Tab

[Chris H]

Maybe providing it is also not in the command tab list or as one pointed 
out app switcher which i never think of that on a mac for the sake of 
ambiguity.


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Hi!
OK I'm not sure if this does the trick but their is the minimise command 
[Command+M] that sends the app your in to the doc!
Could that be the one!
HTH Colin

On 25 Oct 2013, at 13:10, JAMES AUSTIN  wrote:


Hi Chris and all
On 25 Oct 2013, at 12:22, chris  wrote:

Ok then. So all, what exactly does this hide command do? Any responses greatly 
appreciated.

The "Hide" command only hides the window of the current application. The "Hide 
Others" command hides all of the other windows, leaving only the current application's window 
visible. I guess it is used to minimise clutter on the screen. As you have found, this will not 
hide the application from the app switcher.

Best
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Re: Hiding A Window From Command+Tab

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No.  All that does is to hide all the windows that are currently opened 
within the app focussed in the foreground.  The difference in that from hide 
all/show all is that the hide all only puts the app in the dock.  If you 
minimize, then not only will you have the app in the dock, but at the far 
righthand corner of your dock, you'll also find icons for each opened window 
within that app which has been minimized.


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Re: good alternative to iTunes for ripping CDs

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Hello Georgina

Hum! I think we’d better stick with what we know, to be honest. This stuff is 
way way over my head I’m afraid. I know it’s pretty simple to the LINUX experts 
amongst the group and yes that’s an area where Gordon really needs to start 
learning properly, if only to further his chances of employment in the IT 
industry. Anyway, for now whilst I’m grateful for the information, we’d better 
stick to XLD, and tolerate its problems.

Warm regards

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> In respect of this program. It is very easy. However, the more you want =
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Re: Hiding A Window From Command+Tab

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Hi!
OK I'm not sure if this does the trick but their is the minimise command 
[Command+M] that sends the app your in to the doc!
Could that be the one!
HTH Colin

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> Hi Chris and all
> On 25 Oct 2013, at 12:22, chris  wrote:
>> Ok then. So all, what exactly does this hide command do? Any responses 
>> greatly appreciated. 
> The "Hide" command only hides the window of the current application. The 
> "Hide Others" command hides all of the other windows, leaving only the 
> current application's window visible. I guess it is used to minimise clutter 
> on the screen. As you have found, this will not hide the application from the 
> app switcher.
> 
> Best
> James 
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Reordering List View Columns In Mail

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Hi all,

Is it possible to reorder the columns in list views, particularly in mail? The 
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is read are at the very end and I’d like to move them to the beginning.

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Re: Voiceover Sluggishness

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Hi Dane,

I haven’t really been able to measure the delay accurately. However, the 0.25 
that you mention seems to be about right. Maybe it’s that I’m not used to words 
being missed as I arrow around quickly through a text.

I have been able to 
fix the issues a bit by switching to Vocalizer voices. At least, I’m not 
missing any text while I’m moving quickly around.

What I’m not understanding is why there is a delay after the voice tones and 
before VO speaks; is this intentional? Is it possible to turn it off?

Thanks.On Oct 25, 2013, at 3:57 PM, Dane Trethowan  
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> Your observations are quite interesting.
> 
> I have observed a slight delay between the time a key is pressed and the time 
> Voiceover responds but its nowhere near 0.5 seconds, about 0.25 seconds would 
> be far more accurate in my case.
> 
> I'm using an iMac Quad Core I5 machine but I'm not using any of the built-in 
> voices that come with Voiceover, I'm using Peter Infovox.
> 
> I have a Mac Mini 2 Dio Core 1.66GHZ machine in the lounge using Kare - high 
> quality voice -, on that machine Voiceover is behaving as expected and I 
> haven't seen any sluggishness or delays whatever and that does surprise me 
> when I think it over now, if any such problems were to occur or make 
> themselves heard then surely the Mac Mini machine I have would be it given 
> its an older technology, the display doesn't quite match the machine more 
> than likely and so on.
> 
> Anyway, point being there's a little delay but its not enough to cause any 
> major issues here.
> 
> 
> On 25 Oct 2013, at 10:05 pm, Parham Doustdar  wrote:
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>> Hi,
>> 
>> I had spoken to a friend regarding the sluggishness I’m experiencing with my 
>> Mac Mini, even though its processor is core I7 and it has 4 GB of DDR3 ram. 
>> He had guessed that it may be related to the lack of displays. However, 
>> right now I’m finding that it is, in fact, not.
>> 
>> Yesterday when listening to the mac basics podcasts on AppleVis, I thought I 
>> could hear the same delay in that user’s VO as well; there is about a 0.5 
>> seconds delay before VO responds to a key press. I’ve experimented with this 
>> and I’m guessing the issue is not VO’s fault but Alex’s; VO plays the voice 
>> tones instantly but it takes a while for the speech to come in.
>> 
>> Do any of you have this issue? If so and if my analysis is right, what voice 
>> do you use? Since I’m used to eSpeak, the human factor in synthesizers is 
>> not really important for me; I prefer responsiveness to quality every day.
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Re: Voiceover Sluggishness

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Your observations are quite interesting.

I have observed a slight delay between the time a key is pressed and the time 
Voiceover responds but its nowhere near 0.5 seconds, about 0.25 seconds would 
be far more accurate in my case.

I'm using an iMac Quad Core I5 machine but I'm not using any of the built-in 
voices that come with Voiceover, I'm using Peter Infovox.

I have a Mac Mini 2 Dio Core 1.66GHZ machine in the lounge using Kare - high 
quality voice -, on that machine Voiceover is behaving as expected and I 
haven't seen any sluggishness or delays whatever and that does surprise me when 
I think it over now, if any such problems were to occur or make themselves 
heard then surely the Mac Mini machine I have would be it given its an older 
technology, the display doesn't quite match the machine more than likely and so 
on.

Anyway, point being there's a little delay but its not enough to cause any 
major issues here.


On 25 Oct 2013, at 10:05 pm, Parham Doustdar  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I had spoken to a friend regarding the sluggishness I’m experiencing with my 
> Mac Mini, even though its processor is core I7 and it has 4 GB of DDR3 ram. 
> He had guessed that it may be related to the lack of displays. However, right 
> now I’m finding that it is, in fact, not.
> 
> Yesterday when listening to the mac basics podcasts on AppleVis, I thought I 
> could hear the same delay in that user’s VO as well; there is about a 0.5 
> seconds delay before VO responds to a key press. I’ve experimented with this 
> and I’m guessing the issue is not VO’s fault but Alex’s; VO plays the voice 
> tones instantly but it takes a while for the speech to come in.
> 
> Do any of you have this issue? If so and if my analysis is right, what voice 
> do you use? Since I’m used to eSpeak, the human factor in synthesizers is not 
> really important for me; I prefer responsiveness to quality every day.
> 
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Re: a question about audio games for the mac

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Check out the games from Draconis Entertainment in the Mac App Store. 
There may be others I am unaware of.

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On 25/10/2013 12:27, Michael Marshall wrote:

hey listers,
i’m wondering if anyone knows of any sites that have mac audio games? i was 
thinking about it today. i’m not a big player of card games or puzzle games but 
i thought i would ask because there were some decent games back in my windows 
days.
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Re: Hiding A Window From Command+Tab

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On 25 Oct 2013, at 12:22, chris  wrote:
> Ok then. So all, what exactly does this hide command do? Any responses 
> greatly appreciated. 
The "Hide" command only hides the window of the current application. The "Hide 
Others" command hides all of the other windows, leaving only the current 
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switcher.

Best
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a question about audio games for the mac

[Michael Marshall]

hey listers,
i’m wondering if anyone knows of any sites that have mac audio games? i was 
thinking about it today. i’m not a big player of card games or puzzle games but 
i thought i would ask because there were some decent games back in my windows 
days.
thanks for any help

Michael
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VMWare Fusion 6.0.1

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Re: Hiding A Window From Command+Tab

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Ok then. So all, what exactly does this hide command do? Any responses greatly 
appreciated. Thanks!
On 25 Oct 2013, at 11:52, Parham Doustdar  wrote:

> Hi Chris,
> 
> I had seen that option. However, when I hide the app and press command+tab, 
> the first item is the application itself. So, it’s not being hidden.
> On Oct 25, 2013, at 2:17 PM, Chris H  wrote:
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>> There is a hide command in the app's menu. Go to the menu bar, open the 
>> app's menu and there will be an option to hide the app. Substitute the word 
>> app with the actual name.
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>> On 25/10/2013 08:39, Parham Doustdar wrote:
>>> Hi.
>>> 
>>> On Windows, I use the “minimize to tray” functionality for apps such as 
>>> messengers, so that they won’t be in my way when alt-tabbing.
>>> 
>>> Is there such a thing in Mac? If so, what is it called?
>>> 
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Re: Uh Oh! Me thinks me found a Voiceover bug.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Ouch!  You're right!  OK, let me get this in to Bug Reporter, so they can 
look at it.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Parham Doustdar" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 6:54 AM
Subject: Re: Uh Oh! Me thinks me found a Voiceover bug.


Hi Chris,

The announcement you mentioned also happens when you have multiple tabs 
open. Try opening a new tab and pressing command+w.

On Oct 25, 2013, at 1:55 PM, Chris Gilland  wrote:

OK, this is so! getting reported on bug reporter.  Has anyone noticed that 
in Safari, more specifically, in Mavericks, if you have multiple windows 
opened, now, let me be very very clear here, I literally mean separate 
windows, not tabs, but anyway, if you have more than one window opened, 
then you hit command+W, it does what it should… it closes the currently 
opened window, however, Voiceover says:  “Close all windows.”  Then, if 
you do the same thing with multiple windows opened, then hit 
command+shift+W, it again does what it should.  It closes all opened 
windows, except that Voiceover says:  “Close Window.”  In other words, 
Voiceover’s reporting these two commands completely backwards.


Chris.
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Voiceover Sluggishness

[Parham Doustdar]

Hi,

I had spoken to a friend regarding the sluggishness I’m experiencing with my 
Mac Mini, even though its processor is core I7 and it has 4 GB of DDR3 ram. He 
had guessed that it may be related to the lack of displays. However, right now 
I’m finding that it is, in fact, not.

Yesterday when listening to the mac basics podcasts on AppleVis, I thought I 
could hear the same delay in that user’s VO as well; there is about a 0.5 
seconds delay before VO responds to a key press. I’ve experimented with this 
and I’m guessing the issue is not VO’s fault but Alex’s; VO plays the voice 
tones instantly but it takes a while for the speech to come in.

Do any of you have this issue? If so and if my analysis is right, what voice do 
you use? Since I’m used to eSpeak, the human factor in synthesizers is not 
really important for me; I prefer responsiveness to quality every day.

Thanks.
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FaceTime Still Not Working

[Parham Doustdar]

Hi,

I found a temporary display. While this has made the “Busy” announcement in 
AppStore go away, the issue with FaceTime is still there.

When I open FaceTime, I see only close, minimize and zoom. Going into the menus 
and choosing preferences (or pressing command+comma) tells me “Preferences…” 
but nothing else; it merely serves to make the preferences menu item dimmed 
from then on.

Is this because I have no webcam on my Mac Mini?

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Re: Uh Oh! Me thinks me found a Voiceover bug.

[Parham Doustdar]

Hi Chris,

The announcement you mentioned also happens when you have multiple tabs open. 
Try opening a new tab and pressing command+w.
On Oct 25, 2013, at 1:55 PM, Chris Gilland  wrote:

> OK, this is so! getting reported on bug reporter.  Has anyone noticed that in 
> Safari, more specifically, in Mavericks, if you have multiple windows opened, 
> now, let me be very very clear here, I literally mean separate windows, not 
> tabs, but anyway, if you have more than one window opened, then you hit 
> command+W, it does what it should… it closes the currently opened window, 
> however, Voiceover says:  “Close all windows.”  Then, if you do the same 
> thing with multiple windows opened, then hit command+shift+W, it again does 
> what it should.  It closes all opened windows, except that Voiceover says:  
> “Close Window.”  In other words, Voiceover’s reporting these two commands 
> completely backwards.
> 
> Chris.
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Re: Hiding A Window From Command+Tab

[Parham Doustdar]

Hi Chris,

I had seen that option. However, when I hide the app and press command+tab, the 
first item is the application itself. So, it’s not being hidden.
On Oct 25, 2013, at 2:17 PM, Chris H  wrote:

> There is a hide command in the app's menu. Go to the menu bar, open the app's 
> menu and there will be an option to hide the app. Substitute the word app 
> with the actual name.
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> On 25/10/2013 08:39, Parham Doustdar wrote:
>> Hi.
>> 
>> On Windows, I use the “minimize to tray” functionality for apps such as 
>> messengers, so that they won’t be in my way when alt-tabbing.
>> 
>> Is there such a thing in Mac? If so, what is it called?
>> 
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Re: Advanced Chess Programs on the Mac [was: Re: got the update but]

[Ian McNamara]

Yep the IOS version of this is really good. I have played it a few times 
although i'm not the best chess player.

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Re: Hiding A Window From Command+Tab

[Chris H]

There is a hide command in the app's menu. Go to the menu bar, open the 
app's menu and there will be an option to hide the app. Substitute the 
word app with the actual name.


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On 25/10/2013 08:39, Parham Doustdar wrote:

Hi.

On Windows, I use the “minimize to tray” functionality for apps such as 
messengers, so that they won’t be in my way when alt-tabbing.

Is there such a thing in Mac? If so, what is it called?

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Uh Oh! Me thinks me found a Voiceover bug.

[Chris Gilland]

OK, this is so! getting reported on bug reporter.  Has anyone noticed that in 
Safari, more specifically, in Mavericks, if you have multiple windows opened, 
now, let me be very very clear here, I literally mean separate windows, not 
tabs, but anyway, if you have more than one window opened, then you hit 
command+W, it does what it should… it closes the currently opened window, 
however, Voiceover says:  “Close all windows.”  Then, if you do the same thing 
with multiple windows opened, then hit command+shift+W, it again does what it 
should.  It closes all opened windows, except that Voiceover says:  “Close 
Window.”  In other words, Voiceover’s reporting these two commands completely 
backwards.

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Re: Automatically hearing format attributes?

[William Lomas]

I just hope I can do track changes, since I assume when your essay is returned, 
any comments in red, will be either ignored, or changed as to what the tutor 
would like you to insert. If we cannot do track changes, how are we supposed to 
know what our teacher comments are, and what changes I have recommended?

Sent from my iPhone

> On 25 Oct 2013, at 11:03, Christopher Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Never mind guys.  I figured it out.
> 
> I didn’t realize that there was a setting in the text tab of Verbosity that 
> does precisely what I was wanting to do.
> 
> Now, I'm feeling really, utterly stupid.
> 
> Chris.
> 
>> On Oct 25, 2013, at 5:45 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> So, here's the deal.  I want to set up an activity for Pages.  The thing is, 
>> I want to have my verbosity set in such a way that when reading through a 
>> document, be it line by line, or with a say all, doesn't matter, if it hits 
>> text that is say centered, or right aligned, or maybe that is bold or italic 
>> or underlined, I want Voiceover to notify me of this before continuing to 
>> read.  For instance, "I was..." then in a higher pitch... Bold... "so mad 
>> that I screamed."  This way, I'd know without a doubt that the word "so..." 
>> was in bold face.  Soon, I'm going to be writing an essay for my study, and 
>> it will be absolutely essential that I am able to determine these things 
>> when proof reading.
>> 
>> I know about hitting vo+T, to tell me the attributes at the insertion point, 
>> but, I don't want to manually query things.  I may not always know in the 
>> first place what is formatted differently, and that's! what I'm trying to 
>> determine.  I do need to be able to use vo+T, yeah, definitely, but I need 
>> to also on the fly be able to skim through a file, and know exactly what is 
>> formatted normally, and what has separately been centered, italicized, 
>> written in a bigger font, etc.  So, ultimately what I'm asking is, can I 
>> have Voiceover in this activity be configured in such of a way that it would 
>> automatically announce these things?  Before anyone asks if I tactally could 
>> tell, no.  I can't.  I don't have a braille display.  Dang it do I wish I 
>> did though!
>> 
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Re: Automatically hearing format attributes?

[Christopher Gilland]

Never mind guys.  I figured it out.

I didn’t realize that there was a setting in the text tab of Verbosity that 
does precisely what I was wanting to do.

Now, I'm feeling really, utterly stupid.

Chris.

On Oct 25, 2013, at 5:45 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:

> So, here's the deal.  I want to set up an activity for Pages.  The thing is, 
> I want to have my verbosity set in such a way that when reading through a 
> document, be it line by line, or with a say all, doesn't matter, if it hits 
> text that is say centered, or right aligned, or maybe that is bold or italic 
> or underlined, I want Voiceover to notify me of this before continuing to 
> read.  For instance, "I was..." then in a higher pitch... Bold... "so mad 
> that I screamed."  This way, I'd know without a doubt that the word "so..." 
> was in bold face.  Soon, I'm going to be writing an essay for my study, and 
> it will be absolutely essential that I am able to determine these things when 
> proof reading.
> 
> I know about hitting vo+T, to tell me the attributes at the insertion point, 
> but, I don't want to manually query things.  I may not always know in the 
> first place what is formatted differently, and that's! what I'm trying to 
> determine.  I do need to be able to use vo+T, yeah, definitely, but I need to 
> also on the fly be able to skim through a file, and know exactly what is 
> formatted normally, and what has separately been centered, italicized, 
> written in a bigger font, etc.  So, ultimately what I'm asking is, can I have 
> Voiceover in this activity be configured in such of a way that it would 
> automatically announce these things?  Before anyone asks if I tactally could 
> tell, no.  I can't.  I don't have a braille display.  Dang it do I wish I did 
> though!
> 
> Chris.
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Advanced Chess Programs on the Mac [was: Re: got the update but]

[Esther]

Hi Chris and John,

I think John is looking for a more advanced level of chess playing.  My 
suggestion would be to contact the people at Shredder Chess.  That's certainly 
among the top chess programs for iOS, and it's also one of the programs that 
was made accessible to VoiceOver users through developer response to user 
requests.  The have chess programs for the Mac, so they might be able to make 
these accessible to VoiceOver.

Here's their product web page for Mac software:
• Shredder Computer Chess Macintosh products:
http://www.shredderchess.com/chess-software/macintosh.html

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther 

On Oct 24, 2013, at 11:35 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland"  wrote:

> John, Chess should be on the Mac already, and it is totally 100% Voiceover 
> accessible.  Do you not see it in your applications directory?
> 
> Chris.
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - From: "John Gallagher" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 4:38 AM
> Subject: got the update but
> 
> 
>> Hi all
>> Well amazingly I got the update on my mac book pro but amazingly it took 
>> about an hour to do it.
>> I am really getting to like the mac more and more wish I was better on the 
>> web and I wish I could find a real good quality chess program but thanks to 
>> you on the list I am learning.
>> never will I forget my difficulties at the start.
>> cheers now.
> 
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Automatically hearing format attributes?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

So, here's the deal.  I want to set up an activity for Pages.  The thing is, 
I want to have my verbosity set in such a way that when reading through a 
document, be it line by line, or with a say all, doesn't matter, if it hits 
text that is say centered, or right aligned, or maybe that is bold or italic 
or underlined, I want Voiceover to notify me of this before continuing to 
read.  For instance, "I was..." then in a higher pitch... Bold... "so mad 
that I screamed."  This way, I'd know without a doubt that the word "so..." 
was in bold face.  Soon, I'm going to be writing an essay for my study, and 
it will be absolutely essential that I am able to determine these things 
when proof reading.


I know about hitting vo+T, to tell me the attributes at the insertion point, 
but, I don't want to manually query things.  I may not always know in the 
first place what is formatted differently, and that's! what I'm trying to 
determine.  I do need to be able to use vo+T, yeah, definitely, but I need 
to also on the fly be able to skim through a file, and know exactly what is 
formatted normally, and what has separately been centered, italicized, 
written in a bigger font, etc.  So, ultimately what I'm asking is, can I 
have Voiceover in this activity be configured in such of a way that it would 
automatically announce these things?  Before anyone asks if I tactally could 
tell, no.  I can't.  I don't have a braille display.  Dang it do I wish I 
did though!


Chris.
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Re: got the update but

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

John, Chess should be on the Mac already, and it is totally 100% Voiceover 
accessible.  Do you not see it in your applications directory?


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- Original Message - 
From: "John Gallagher" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 4:38 AM
Subject: got the update but



Hi all
Well amazingly I got the update on my mac book pro but amazingly it took 
about an hour to do it.
I am really getting to like the mac more and more wish I was better on the 
web and I wish I could find a real good quality chess program but thanks 
to you on the list I am learning.

never will I forget my difficulties at the start.
cheers now.

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Re: Ring Tones And Stand Alone IOS Devices

[Dane Trethowan]

Shame! wonder of Apple will think about changing the status quo in the future 
given that so many people use IOS devices as "Computers".

On 25 Oct 2013, at 7:24 pm, Chris  wrote:

> M possible without iTunes I am afraid.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 25 Oct 2013, at 09:14, Dane Trethowan  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> 
>> This I have to admit to being a damn good question on behalf of a friend who 
>> wants to send some ring tones he's made to his wife's iPhone and iPad.
>> 
>> Both devices are "Stand Alone" devices meaning that they're not associated 
>> with any computers of any kind so the iPhone and iPad are used as computers 
>> if you like.
>> 
>> So how to get these files recognised as Ring Tones without using iTunes or a 
>> computer or is this task just too mind mangling and put into the category of 
>> "Impossible" .
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> **
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got the update but

[John Gallagher]

Hi all
Well amazingly I got the update on my mac book pro but amazingly it 
took about an hour to do it.
I am really getting to like the mac more and more wish I was better 
on the web and I wish I could find a real good quality chess program 
but thanks to you on the list I am learning.

never will I forget my difficulties at the start.
cheers now.

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Re: Ring Tones And Stand Alone IOS Devices

[Chris]

M possible without iTunes I am afraid.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 25 Oct 2013, at 09:14, Dane Trethowan  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> This I have to admit to being a damn good question on behalf of a friend who 
> wants to send some ring tones he's made to his wife's iPhone and iPad.
> 
> Both devices are "Stand Alone" devices meaning that they're not associated 
> with any computers of any kind so the iPhone and iPad are used as computers 
> if you like.
> 
> So how to get these files recognised as Ring Tones without using iTunes or a 
> computer or is this task just too mind mangling and put into the category of 
> "Impossible" .
> 
> 
> 
> **
> 
> Dane Trethowan
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Ring Tones And Stand Alone IOS Devices

[Dane Trethowan]

Hi!

This I have to admit to being a damn good question on behalf of a friend who 
wants to send some ring tones he's made to his wife's iPhone and iPad.

Both devices are "Stand Alone" devices meaning that they're not associated with 
any computers of any kind so the iPhone and iPad are used as computers if you 
like.

So how to get these files recognised as Ring Tones without using iTunes or a 
computer or is this task just too mind mangling and put into the category of 
"Impossible" .



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Hiding A Window From Command+Tab

[Parham Doustdar]

Hi.

On Windows, I use the “minimize to tray” functionality for apps such as 
messengers, so that they won’t be in my way when alt-tabbing.

Is there such a thing in Mac? If so, what is it called?

Thanks.
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