Cursor in an e-mail

2012-03-21 Thread Jürgen Fleger
Hi,

since two weeks or so I have an issue with Mail. Normally when opening an 
e-mail I can use arrow up or down to move in the e-mail text. That doesn't work 
anymore. When I press arrow down it just reads the first line and then nothing 
more. VO plus arrow keys still work but not just arrow keys. Quick Nav is off 
of course.

That's quite annoying because I'm no longer able to select text in an e-mail to 
quote something.

Has anyone an idea what's going on here and what todo?

Thanks and 
all the best
Jürgen

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Re: someone using adium?

2012-03-21 Thread May McDonald
I use it for all of my messengers without growl. Growl actually got on my 
nerves, so when I updated to Lion I didn't put growl back on. Everything works 
like it should after I set it up to speak the things I needed.

May and Prince Noah
On 2012-03-20, at 6:51 PM, elena brescacin wrote:

 hello,
 maybe most of you saw the thread I had with some people about automatically 
 spoken chats in skype program
 well, maybe I noticed where's the trouble: when voiceover is activated Growl 
 does not talk, while it reads whole messages when it's off!
 But, I noticed, it is not a growl problem, that's why I asked if someone is 
 using adium as instant messenger.
 I set up notification in this client too, as it was known to be working with 
 voiceover. And the problem came back! Adium is not connected to growl!
 well, it was... but now I just deactivated growl from adium, so it shouldn't 
 work
 but the result is the same: with adium: if voiceover is on, notification stay 
 silent. if it's off, they talk!
 what's going on? someone uses adium regularly and vo works? osx lion 10.7.2, 
 and adium 1.5.
 thanks!
 
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Re: someone using adium?

2012-03-21 Thread Elena Brescacin
Hello,
you mean it talks with voiceover activated? System messages, adium
messages, are read by adium voice without problems?
To get this result I must turn voiceover off! So, till I solve this
annoyance, I just adopted this solution: read also sent messages
aloud. then blindly write on keyboard with voiceover turned off, press
enter and wait. But, I need to solve this issue somehow and I do not
know what's the cause. I suppose it's something regarding Growl, as,
another program I use that is iChat, does not have this issue.
I ran the growl uninstaller script when I deleted growl 1.2 to buy the
one on mac app store, now I'd like to delete growl completely, to
ensure it cannot interfer with anything; even if you move the
application to trash, do some file stay stored in the user library?
thanks a lot for help

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Re: Something I just Learned With Skype and Growl

2012-03-21 Thread Elena Brescacin
shawn, as I wrote in my other message called someone using adium?
growl speaks. But, only with voiceover turned off! that makes me
really laugh


2012/3/21, Mark BurningHawk Baxter markbaxte...@gmail.com:
 Snip
 Also, Mark, Growl uses the main system voice so if you wanted to make
 changes to the voice, whether you want to change rate and pitch or the
 person altogether, you would have to go into system prefs and change any
 preferences there.
 /snip

 With all respect, please excuse me but the voice Growl uses, while it may be
 Alex, speaks with different rate and tone from my system voice, which is
 used for other self-voicing programs.  If Growl is using the system voice,
 it's doing so without obeying the settings I changed in Preferences.  That's
 my experience.  Also, even when I check Hide all notifications, in Growl,
 Skype will still tell me who comes on or off line, and announce events
 themselves, if not their text content; this is done with the system voice as
 I have pre-set it.  Growl, when it is allow to speak all notifications, uses
 a much slower version.  That's just my experience.


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Re: someone using adium?

2012-03-21 Thread May McDonald
Yes, it works with voiceover on. You just need to set it up under preferences.

May
On 2012-03-21, at 4:35 AM, Elena Brescacin wrote:

 Hello,
 you mean it talks with voiceover activated? System messages, adium
 messages, are read by adium voice without problems?
 To get this result I must turn voiceover off! So, till I solve this
 annoyance, I just adopted this solution: read also sent messages
 aloud. then blindly write on keyboard with voiceover turned off, press
 enter and wait. But, I need to solve this issue somehow and I do not
 know what's the cause. I suppose it's something regarding Growl, as,
 another program I use that is iChat, does not have this issue.
 I ran the growl uninstaller script when I deleted growl 1.2 to buy the
 one on mac app store, now I'd like to delete growl completely, to
 ensure it cannot interfer with anything; even if you move the
 application to trash, do some file stay stored in the user library?
 thanks a lot for help
 
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Re: someone using adium?

2012-03-21 Thread May McDonald
Unless someone beats me to it, I'll send you the steps to get it to work when 
I'm a bit more awake.

May and Prince Noah
On 2012-03-21, at 4:35 AM, Elena Brescacin wrote:

 Hello,
 you mean it talks with voiceover activated? System messages, adium
 messages, are read by adium voice without problems?
 To get this result I must turn voiceover off! So, till I solve this
 annoyance, I just adopted this solution: read also sent messages
 aloud. then blindly write on keyboard with voiceover turned off, press
 enter and wait. But, I need to solve this issue somehow and I do not
 know what's the cause. I suppose it's something regarding Growl, as,
 another program I use that is iChat, does not have this issue.
 I ran the growl uninstaller script when I deleted growl 1.2 to buy the
 one on mac app store, now I'd like to delete growl completely, to
 ensure it cannot interfer with anything; even if you move the
 application to trash, do some file stay stored in the user library?
 thanks a lot for help
 
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Re: someone using adium?

2012-03-21 Thread Elena Brescacin
yep! I give you the procedure right now. Correct me if something is
wrong; well I do not know exact English words because I have adium in
my mother language but the concept is the same!
1. opening the preference dialog box
2. interacting with the toolbar and choosing events
3. choosing preferred event - for example, received message
4. setting it up with read aloud
It asks to give a name to the set of event notifications, I just
called it audio notification - copy
of course you can add as many events you want with the events table,
pressing the add button at the end of window.
The funny thing is, that even if it's set correctly, it speaks only if
voiceover is turned off!

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Re: someone using adium?

2012-03-21 Thread May McDonald
Ok, almost the same except steps 4 and 5.

When you do steps one and two, if you look there will be a area where it says 
default. If you leave that and then go to your step three and do everything 
there, pick an event, tell it to speak, play a sound and whatever else you 
want, once you press ok it should ask if you want to have the name say default 
copy. Say yes there and then go through the rest of the events you want to 
change and they will all be under the default copy section.

That should work.

May
On 2012-03-21, at 5:17 AM, Elena Brescacin wrote:

 yep! I give you the procedure right now. Correct me if something is
 wrong; well I do not know exact English words because I have adium in
 my mother language but the concept is the same!
 1. opening the preference dialog box
 2. interacting with the toolbar and choosing events
 3. choosing preferred event - for example, received message
 4. setting it up with read aloud
 It asks to give a name to the set of event notifications, I just
 called it audio notification - copy
 of course you can add as many events you want with the events table,
 pressing the add button at the end of window.
 The funny thing is, that even if it's set correctly, it speaks only if
 voiceover is turned off!
 
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Re: someone using adium?

2012-03-21 Thread Elena Brescacin
I'll try to change configuration to default!
This evening, when I go back home, here in office I do not have my mac book pro
I just set up audio notifications, for the collection of events. but
maybe it'd be better with defaults.


2012/3/21, May McDonald mcdonald@gmail.com:
 Ok, almost the same except steps 4 and 5.

 When you do steps one and two, if you look there will be a area where it
 says default. If you leave that and then go to your step three and do
 everything there, pick an event, tell it to speak, play a sound and whatever
 else you want, once you press ok it should ask if you want to have the name
 say default copy. Say yes there and then go through the rest of the events
 you want to change and they will all be under the default copy section.

 That should work.

 May
 On 2012-03-21, at 5:17 AM, Elena Brescacin wrote:

 yep! I give you the procedure right now. Correct me if something is
 wrong; well I do not know exact English words because I have adium in
 my mother language but the concept is the same!
 1. opening the preference dialog box
 2. interacting with the toolbar and choosing events
 3. choosing preferred event - for example, received message
 4. setting it up with read aloud
 It asks to give a name to the set of event notifications, I just
 called it audio notification - copy
 of course you can add as many events you want with the events table,
 pressing the add button at the end of window.
 The funny thing is, that even if it's set correctly, it speaks only if
 voiceover is turned off!

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Re: Something I just Learned With Skype and Growl

2012-03-21 Thread Jenny Keller
I have problems with growl too. I can't get to the preferences pain cause it 
says it is running in the background. I have found growl to be useless.

Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks

On Mar 20, 2012, at 12:09 PM, Michael Malarsie michael.malar...@gmail.com 
wrote:

 I have downloaded growl but I am having no success. I know it is supposed to 
 do the work on its own with my apps and such but it won't do anything at all.
Any tips for someone who has no idea what to do?
 
 Thanks 
 
 Mike Malarsie 
 On Mar 20, 2012, at 10:32 AM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:
 
 My suspicion is that Growl is trying to read the messages, but voiceover or 
 any system event at all interrupts and silences it.  Has anyone tried with 
 VO Off to see if Growl works better that way?
 
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Re: Something I just Learned With Skype and Growl

2012-03-21 Thread Elena Brescacin
Jenny, here's how to solve this trouble.
when it says growl is in the background, go through windows by
command+tab (i am not sure the voiceover command to switch among
applications, ctrl+options+f1+f1, or double-tap with 2 finger to the
left with trackpad, works)
anyway: when you reach growl, it would say: growl has no windows
then, go to the dock with ctrl+f3 or the dedicated voiceover command.
look for the Growl icon, then, control+option+shift+m.
you should find a menu popping up, and there you'd find the growl preferences!
if the menu item is grayed, you should go up with up arrow and find
reactivate growl
I wasted one hour behind this issue!


2012/3/21, Jenny Keller jlperd...@gmail.com:
 I have problems with growl too. I can't get to the preferences pain cause it
 says it is running in the background. I have found growl to be useless.

 Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks

 On Mar 20, 2012, at 12:09 PM, Michael Malarsie michael.malar...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I have downloaded growl but I am having no success. I know it is supposed
 to do the work on its own with my apps and such but it won't do anything
 at all.
Any tips for someone who has no idea what to do?

 Thanks

 Mike Malarsie
 On Mar 20, 2012, at 10:32 AM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:

 My suspicion is that Growl is trying to read the messages, but voiceover
 or any system event at all interrupts and silences it.  Has anyone tried
 with VO Off to see if Growl works better that way?

 • Mark BurningHawk Baxter
 • AIM, Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
 • MSN:  burninghawk1...@hotmail.com
 • My home page:
 • http://MarkBurningHawk.net/

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Re: Drobo dashboard, is it accessible?

2012-03-21 Thread Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
No, the DroBo dash board is not accessible, from both an accessibility and cost 
point, the NetGear ReadyNAS appliances are both accessible, using an HTML based 
interface, but also far cheaper and just as reliable in my experience.

They also take advantage of a sort of expandable flexible RAID solution NetGear 
call X-RAID, essentially the same as Beyond RAID which DroBo uses.


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On 20 Mar 2012, at 22:35, Scott Howell wrote:

 All,
 
 I was talking with someone today about nas devices and some issues I have 
 been having. He mentioned the Drobo which I know is pretty expensive and he 
 was explaining that you access the Drobo via a dashboard app that also 
 requires you to install java. I asked if he had ever thought to see if it 
 were compatible with VoiceOver, but he did not. So, I was curious if anyone 
 on the list has used a Drobo and can comment on the accessibility of the 
 Dashboard.
 I'll post my other issue in a separate post regarding my nas problem.
 
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Re: Budgetting programs

2012-03-21 Thread Sarai Bucciarelli
I use the pro version. Make sure you hit okay to enter in the data. You need to 
interact with the entry table.
On Mar 18, 2012, at 8:46 PM, Sean Murphy wrote:

 Hi,
 
 I have downloaded Checkbook and it seems to be very accessible. But I cannot 
 see my transactions. I entered in 2 deposit transactions and they do not 
 appear in the entry table.
 
 Ideas?
 
 
 Sean 
 On 19/03/2012, at 5:33 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
 
 Hi:
 I use Checkbook by Splasm Software. It is very accessible.
 On Mar 17, 2012, at 8:03 PM, Sean Murphy wrote:
 
 Hi All.
 
 
 I am seeking for a Budget program on the Mac. I have looked at IBank and 
 the table of transactions were not accessible. I have looked at savings and 
 you cannot edit transactions while everything else seems to be accessible. 
 I am ware of Envelopes  Cash management web site. But I don't like the idea 
 of my finances being located on someone else's equipment. It is out of my 
 control which makes me very uncomfortable.
 
 
 Any ideas?
 
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Question about Audioboo app and uploads

2012-03-21 Thread chris hallsworth
How does one know if a boo is uploading? All I see in the main app after 
double tapping save and upload is queue for upload but then that 
disappears. Is this just an inaccessible part of the app? Thanks!

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Re: Question about Audioboo app and uploads

2012-03-21 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
The App is not inaccessible, as Mark Taylor uses it I seem to remember.  
Perhaps he will be able to shed further light on it.

Kawal.

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 How does one know if a boo is uploading? All I see in the main app after 
 double tapping save and upload is queue for upload but then that disappears. 
 Is this just an inaccessible part of the app? Thanks!
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Re: download window with lion

2012-03-21 Thread Søren Jensen
Hi esther.

I have had this issue on my Macbook Pro since Snowleopard. I find it even more 
weird that this doesn't happen on all Macbook Pro 15 inch models. I've been 
very confused regarding this issue which is the reason for I haven't reported 
this to Apple. I just don't know how to explain the issue good enough because I 
do have lots of different focusing issues while browsing the internet using 
Safari.
Well, I'll see if I can explain all these issues and report them to 
accessibility.
Best regards:
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Den 20/03/2012 kl. 21.09 skrev Esther:

 Hi Søren,
 
 No, I've never had a MacBook larger than 13 inches.  And I've never typed 
 more than occasionally on desktop Macs, so I haven't experienced these 
 issues.  This sounds like the issues are screen-resolution/size specific.  I 
 wonder whether anyone else with the larger Mac laptops can report on their 
 experiences with Safari.  I do note that the major reason I've found to delay 
 upgrades between major releases of Mac OS X is usually the new behavior of 
 Safari.  Also, the first system versions after a new release may show up more 
 VoiceOver focus issues than previously experienced in mature, stable releases.
 
 Thanks for reporting on your experience.
 
 Best,
 
 Esther
  
 On Mar 20, 2012, at 9:16 AM, Søren Jensen wrote:
 
 Hi Esther.
 
 So you have a Macbook pro 15 inch? Safari works differently with VOiceover 
 on a 15 inch Macbook. I've experienced things like focusing issues in java 
 windows, the mouse getting stuck on the desctop while moving it to the 
 webpage with VO command f5, and clicking by pressing VO shift spacebar and 
 the other weird issue by bringing up the downloads folder.
 I know people who have a macbook 13 inch and an iMac, where this doesn't 
 happen.
 Best regards:
 Søren Jensen
 Mail  MSN:
 s...@coolfortheblind.dk
 Website:
 http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/
 
 Den 20/03/2012 kl. 17.35 skrev Esther:
 
 Hi Søren,
 
 That's interesting.  I'm using a MacBook Air with Lion.  When I go to full 
 screen mode by pressing command ctrl f in Safari, my toolbar is displayed 
 even if I have hidden it.  I can check this by navigating to the menu bar 
 with either ctrl F2 or VO m, then going to the View menu and arrowing 
 down.  If I check this menu before toggling to full screen mode, the first 
 entry shows as Show Toolbar.  And in this mode, with my toolbar hidden, 
 when I press ctrl option l there is no downloads window displayed, even 
 though VoiceOver says Show Downloads.  If I show my toolbar, either by 
 using the View menu option or the shortcut for toggling the toolbar 
 between show and hide, which is ctrl shift backslash on an English language 
 input keyboard, then the downloads window will show up when I press ctrl 
 option l.  
 
 Similarly, making Safari run in full screen mode by toggling this on with 
 command ctrl f will also let my downloads window show up when I press ctrl 
 option l.  But what happens here is that my toolbar is forcibly shown when 
 I'm in full screen mode.  If I navigate to the menu bar and check the 
 View menu while in full screen mode, the first menu entry will show up as 
 Hide Toolbar and will also be announced as dimmed, indicating that I 
 can't change this.  Furthermore, I can test whether the toolbar is present 
 by using the shortcut ctrl F5 for navigating to the toolbar. When my 
 toolbar is hidden, pressing ctrl F5 will not take me to the toolbar, 
 because it's hidden. As previously stated, in this mode I can't see the 
 downloads window when I press command option l.  If I show my toolbar, and 
 am not in full screen mode, then pressing ctrl F5 takes me to the Back 
 button of the toolbar.  Now, even if my toolbar is hidden when I am not in 
 full screen mode, once I press command ctrl f, and VoiceOver says Enter 
 Full Screen,  it becomes visible.  If I press ctrl F5, I'll be taken to 
 the Back button, and I check the View menu, Hide Toolbar appears as 
 dimmed.  And because the toolbar is now forcibly shown, even though it was 
 originally hidden when not in full screen mode, pressing command option l 
 now shows me my downloads folder.
 
 I wonder if the difference in behavior, where I can view the downloads 
 folder when the toolbar is not hidden without having to run Safari in full 
 screen mode, is another one of those instances of English-specific shortcut 
 key mapping? I know that UK users are also able to view the downloads 
 folder if their toolbar is not hidden, without having to put Safari into 
 full screen mode.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Esther 
 
 
 On Mar 20, 2012, at 4:43 AM, Søren Jensen wrote:
 
 Hi.
 
 On my Macbook pro 15 inch, I can only bring up the downloads folder if I'm 
 running safari in full screen. If I don't have the full screen activated 
 by pressing command ctrl f, then Voiceover just says something like 
 showing the downoads folder. I have not hidden my toolbar.
 

Re: Question about Audioboo app and uploads

2012-03-21 Thread Sean Paul
The newer version of the audioboo app which was released a couple of weeks a 
go has supposedly fixed the issue of not being able to see whether or not 
boos are being uploaded. I have the newer version of the app but haven't 
tried posting a boo here lately to see if it works as told or not.
- Original Message - 
From: Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 10:35
Subject: Re: Question about Audioboo app and uploads


The App is not inaccessible, as Mark Taylor uses it I seem to remember. 
Perhaps he will be able to shed further light on it.


Kawal.

On 21 Mar 2012, at 02:28 PM, chris hallsworth christopher...@gmail.com 
wrote:


How does one know if a boo is uploading? All I see in the main app after 
double tapping save and upload is queue for upload but then that 
disappears. Is this just an inaccessible part of the app? Thanks!

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RE: Help on keyboard problem

2012-03-21 Thread Moses Choo
Hi Ricardo and all, My was just due to a setting of entry mode set to touch
typing. Frankly, I do not know how the setting was accidently changed. After
chatting with friends, we have three of us in Malaysia who have experienced
such a case.  Hope this will be of help to others. 

Regards,
Moses.

 

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Moses Choo
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 9:30 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Help on keyboard problem

Hi Ricardo,

Thanks for responding.   I have already tried the following.

1.  Rebooting the phone 
2.  Set for forget all my bluetooth keyboards.

What I have not done is to use the reset to factory default. My phone is an
iPhone 4 and I have upgraded to version 5.1.  If I were to reset, will it go
back to version 4.1? 

Frankly, I think it is the Voiceover that is at problem.  Is that a way for
me just to reinstall the Voiceover? 

Everything works well accept when I want to key in numbers or letters.  All
other work fine.  I also face this problem when I  reboot and would have to
key in my 4 digit pin. The only way to do it is to turn off the Voiceover
and get someone who can see to help me. 

However, when I use my bluetooth keyboard, it works okay.  There are times
that I do not bring along my keyboard, hence I would like to be able to use
the screen keyboard as wel..

I look forward to some advice. 

Regards
Moses.


 

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 5:13 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Help on keyboard problem

Hi,

try going to settings/general/bluetooth and have the phone forget the other
BT keyboards you've paired and restart the phone.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Mar 20, 2012, at 12:04 PM, Moses Choo mosesc...@ncbm.org.my wrote:

 Dear all,
  
 I have installed several Bluetooth keyboard recently and have landed 
 my
self in a little problem.  My last was to install the RIVO Bluetooth
keyboard.
  
 Now when I do not want to use any Bluetooth keyboard,  my iphone 
 keyboard
does not seem to respond well. This problem is present in the following
situations.
 1.   Dialing,
 2.   2.   Keying in SMS,
 3.   3.   Keying in passwords for updating.
  
 I will be able to click the shift key, however, when typing other 
 keys,
the key board just doesn't respond. However, if I turn off the Voiceover and
use it as a normal iphone, than it will be okay.  
  
 Would appreciate some form of advice.
  
 Regards,
 Moses.
  
 
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Re: Question about Audioboo app and uploads

2012-03-21 Thread chris hallsworth
Ok, I can tell you that they have fixed the issue where VoiceOver would 
remain in the earpiece even after you stop the recording. This was a 
show stopper for me due to my hearing impairment. But because I want to 
spread the word about my new adventures I thought I would give it 
another go and now like it a lot.



Christopher Hallsworth

On 21/03/2012 15:17, Sean Paul wrote:

The newer version of the audioboo app which was released a couple of
weeks a go has supposedly fixed the issue of not being able to see
whether or not boos are being uploaded. I have the newer version of the
app but haven't tried posting a boo here lately to see if it works as
told or not.
- Original Message - From: Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 10:35
Subject: Re: Question about Audioboo app and uploads



The App is not inaccessible, as Mark Taylor uses it I seem to
remember. Perhaps he will be able to shed further light on it.

Kawal.

On 21 Mar 2012, at 02:28 PM, chris hallsworth
christopher...@gmail.com wrote:


How does one know if a boo is uploading? All I see in the main app
after double tapping save and upload is queue for upload but then
that disappears. Is this just an inaccessible part of the app? Thanks!
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Re: Something I just Learned With Skype and Growl

2012-03-21 Thread Jenny Keller
Thanks a llot. I wouldn't have known to do that.

Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks

On Mar 21, 2012, at 7:15 AM, Elena Brescacin talks...@gmail.com wrote:

 Jenny, here's how to solve this trouble.
 when it says growl is in the background, go through windows by
 command+tab (i am not sure the voiceover command to switch among
 applications, ctrl+options+f1+f1, or double-tap with 2 finger to the
 left with trackpad, works)
 anyway: when you reach growl, it would say: growl has no windows
 then, go to the dock with ctrl+f3 or the dedicated voiceover command.
 look for the Growl icon, then, control+option+shift+m.
 you should find a menu popping up, and there you'd find the growl preferences!
 if the menu item is grayed, you should go up with up arrow and find
 reactivate growl
 I wasted one hour behind this issue!
 
 
 2012/3/21, Jenny Keller jlperd...@gmail.com:
 I have problems with growl too. I can't get to the preferences pain cause it
 says it is running in the background. I have found growl to be useless.
 
 Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
 
 On Mar 20, 2012, at 12:09 PM, Michael Malarsie michael.malar...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 I have downloaded growl but I am having no success. I know it is supposed
 to do the work on its own with my apps and such but it won't do anything
 at all.
   Any tips for someone who has no idea what to do?
 
 Thanks
 
 Mike Malarsie
 On Mar 20, 2012, at 10:32 AM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:
 
 My suspicion is that Growl is trying to read the messages, but voiceover
 or any system event at all interrupts and silences it.  Has anyone tried
 with VO Off to see if Growl works better that way?
 
 • Mark BurningHawk Baxter
 • AIM, Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
 • MSN:  burninghawk1...@hotmail.com
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Re: Something I just Learned With Skype and Growl

2012-03-21 Thread Elena Brescacin
so... are you telling me it works?
did you manage figuring it out? If so, then, tell me if you manage to
make skype read whole messages with voiceover on!
maybe I am the only, poor, unlucky girl to be forced to turn vo off!

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Posting to LiveJournal With the iPad

2012-03-21 Thread Jane
I have the LiveJournal app installed on my iPad. I can write entries just fine, 
but if I want to post, I have to get Eric (who is sighted) to find the done 
button. VoiceOver does not appear to see it.

Aside from typing my text into an email, or posting via the web, are there any 
other options for my iPad? Any thoughts welcome.

Jane

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Re: Can the iPhone be used as a Magnifier?

2012-03-21 Thread Mike Busboom
Hello Esther, David, Ricardo and others,

I would like to thank you for your input.  I would have gotten back to you 
earlier, but I myself have been running back and forth from eye doctor to eye 
doctor and have hardly had the time to even take a breather.

I will refer my eye doctor to the VisionAssist device and let her take it from 
there.

My thanks to all who provided input,

Mike

On 18,Mar,2012, at 7:39 PM, Esther wrote:

 Hello all,
 
 I just realized that what we should do is have a low-vision user who has the 
 new iPad with the camera that is as good as the iPhone 4's, and who also has 
 the Prizmo OCR app, try using VisionAssist.  They can take a screen capture 
 by simultaneously pressing and then releasing the sleep/wake button (at the 
 top) and the home button.  Then they can try to run Prizmo using the last 
 image stored in the camera roll instead of taking a picture through the 
 camera.  After selecting Text on the main Prizmo screen, they would flick 
 right past the Camera button to the Album button and double tap that. 
 Then, on the Photo Album screen they would double tap Camera Roll.  On 
 the Camera Roll screen, they would do a four finger tap on the bottom half 
 of the screen to go to the last element on the screen -- or alternatively 
 touch the bottom of the screen just above the Home button -- to hear 7 
 photos (or however many there are) announced.  Then they would flick left to 
 the last photo, which will be announced as Photo IMG some number, image, 
 double tap to open, and double tap the screenshot.  I'm not sure how well 
 the default OCR works if the contrast scheme is reversed -- there's an 
 adjustment control called white picker that lets you adjust this, but it 
 requires vision.  In any case, this would be an interesting exercise.  
 
 Some low-vision user with a new iPad could check this out,  Any takers?  
 Garth, are you interested?
 
 Cheers,
 
 Esther
 
 On Mar 18, 2012, at 4:19 PM, Esther wrote:
 
 Hi David and Others,
 
 Interesting information.  Just for clarification, there are two apps with 
 similar names in the App Store.  You want to type in VisionAssist with no 
 space between Vision and Assist. The Vision Assist app with the space 
 between the two words is $0.99, for iPhone only, and is supposed to be an 
 ambient night vision aid.  The app that David mentioned is universal binary, 
 works for people who have low-light difficulties, such as age-related 
 macular degeneracy, glaucoma, cataracts, and diabetic retinopathy.  It also 
 advertises support for VoiceOver and can be used to improve contrast as well 
 as magnification.  This does quite a bit more than most magnification apps, 
 and may be of considerable interest to low-vision users on the list. (It may 
 go beyond what Mike's doctor was asking for, however.)
 
 This app will work on every Apple device that has a camera, and also has the 
 ability to be used wirelessly with an Apple TV to magnify an image and 
 display it on a large-screen TV or monitor. It sounds like a great addition 
 for a low-vision user who has an iPad with a camera. However, the current 
 price is $5.99.  It's been bouncing around from an initial price of $6.99, 
 then reduced for a period to $3.99, then raised again to $6.99, and most 
 recently dropped to $5.99. I've quoted the current price (as of this moment) 
 in the description below,
 
 Here's the App Store link:
 • VisionAssist ($5.99) by Slinkyware:
 http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/visionassist/id502356279?mt=8
 
 I had to do a Google search to learn about the Ruby Handheld Video Magnifier 
 from Freedom Scientific.  Even at $5.99 the price of this app is much less 
 than the $545 price of the dedicated magnifier.  Here's the link to the Ruby 
 product page for those who are unfamiliar with this device, as I was:
 http://www.freedomscientific.com/products/lv/ruby-product-page.asp
 
 Thanks for the heads up, David.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Esther
 
 On Mar 18, 2012, at 3:48 PM, David Tanner wrote:
 
 One of the low vision folks in our tech department told me about Vision 
 Assist.  It is $3.99 and thus far everyone I have shown it to thinks it is 
 nearly as good as Ruby, which is very popular with low vision folks.
 
 
 David Tanner - Host
 MainMenu
 Technology from a blindness perspective!
 www.mainmenu.acbradio.org
 www.twitter.com/mainmenu
 
 - Original Message - From: Esther mori...@mac.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 6:46 PM
 Subject: Re: Can the iPhone be used as a Magnifier?
 
 
 Hi Mike,
 
 Yes, there are a number of apps that will let you use the iPhone camera as 
 a magnifier.  Some of these were mentioned in discussions by low-vision 
 users. Here's one that has gotten a lot of recent publicity (but I don't 
 know whether it works with VoiceOver -- some of them do):
 
 • Lumin Turns Your iPhone into an Illuminated Magnifier by Adam C. Engst, 4 
 January 2012, TidBITS article:
 

Re: Help on keyboard problem

2012-03-21 Thread Ricardo Walker
Lol,

I'm glad it was something as simple, and easy to fix as that.  Thanks for 
sharing.  This really did have me confused.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
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On Mar 21, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Moses Choo mosesc...@ncbm.org.my wrote:

 Hi Ricardo and all, My was just due to a setting of entry mode set to touch
 typing. Frankly, I do not know how the setting was accidently changed. After
 chatting with friends, we have three of us in Malaysia who have experienced
 such a case.  Hope this will be of help to others. 
 
 Regards,
 Moses.
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Moses Choo
 Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 9:30 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Help on keyboard problem
 
 Hi Ricardo,
 
 Thanks for responding.   I have already tried the following.
 
 1.Rebooting the phone 
 2.Set for forget all my bluetooth keyboards.
 
 What I have not done is to use the reset to factory default. My phone is an
 iPhone 4 and I have upgraded to version 5.1.  If I were to reset, will it go
 back to version 4.1? 
 
 Frankly, I think it is the Voiceover that is at problem.  Is that a way for
 me just to reinstall the Voiceover? 
 
 Everything works well accept when I want to key in numbers or letters.  All
 other work fine.  I also face this problem when I  reboot and would have to
 key in my 4 digit pin. The only way to do it is to turn off the Voiceover
 and get someone who can see to help me. 
 
 However, when I use my bluetooth keyboard, it works okay.  There are times
 that I do not bring along my keyboard, hence I would like to be able to use
 the screen keyboard as wel..
 
 I look forward to some advice. 
 
 Regards
 Moses.
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
 Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 5:13 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Help on keyboard problem
 
 Hi,
 
 try going to settings/general/bluetooth and have the phone forget the other
 BT keyboards you've paired and restart the phone.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Mar 20, 2012, at 12:04 PM, Moses Choo mosesc...@ncbm.org.my wrote:
 
 Dear all,
 
 I have installed several Bluetooth keyboard recently and have landed 
 my
 self in a little problem.  My last was to install the RIVO Bluetooth
 keyboard.
 
 Now when I do not want to use any Bluetooth keyboard,  my iphone 
 keyboard
 does not seem to respond well. This problem is present in the following
 situations.
 1.   Dialing,
 2.   2.   Keying in SMS,
 3.   3.   Keying in passwords for updating.
 
 I will be able to click the shift key, however, when typing other 
 keys,
 the key board just doesn't respond. However, if I turn off the Voiceover and
 use it as a normal iphone, than it will be okay.  
 
 Would appreciate some form of advice.
 
 Regards,
 Moses.
 
 
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Re: Cursor in an e-mail

2012-03-21 Thread Jürgen Fleger
Of course. But that shouldn't be an issue anyway.
Jürgen
Am 21.03.2012 um 07:41 schrieb Ezzie Bueno:

 Are you interacting with the text of the emails?
 Ezzie Bueno
 Sent from my Macbook Pro
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 On Mar 20, 2012, at 11:25 PM, Jürgen Fleger wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 since two weeks or so I have an issue with Mail. Normally when opening an 
 e-mail I can use arrow up or down to move in the e-mail text. That doesn't 
 work anymore. When I press arrow down it just reads the first line and then 
 nothing more. VO plus arrow keys still work but not just arrow keys. Quick 
 Nav is off of course.
 
 That's quite annoying because I'm no longer able to select text in an e-mail 
 to quote something.
 
 Has anyone an idea what's going on here and what todo?
 
 Thanks and 
 all the best
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Sonos Controllers

2012-03-21 Thread Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
Dear All,

Please forgive the cross list posting, for those who do not know what Sonos is, 
please disregard and delete... No need for a follow up, what is it message... 
If you wish to know more about it read at: www.sonos.com

For quite some time now I have been in contact with senior folk at Sonos to 
make them sort out their act with regards to accessibility from the point of 
view of their currently inaccessible controllers.

These controllers are available on Mac, Windows, iOS and Android devices, hence 
the cross list posting.

None of them are fully accessible, and most are only just partially accessible.

Despite Sonos's senior people assuring me that they were working towards fixing 
this, I've seen nothing other than empty promises and effectively lip service. 
Worse still, their numerous updates to their software has not only given no 
accessibility improvements, but worse still, the latest Mac release makes 
things much, much worse.

I would very much appreciate any one who has a desire to see Sonos resolve this 
to reply to me, so that I can inform them of just how many users are 
experiencing this issue.

Please reply, but, remove the to address and change it to: for...@talknav.com

let me know your experiences and thoughts, as I am seriously now thinking of 
mounting a legal challenge.

Kindly.


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Re: Mac Mini Home Theater Setup

2012-03-21 Thread Tim Hornik
Jason, I looked at the Apple TV's, but decided to go the Mini Route.
The main reason is that the Mini will also become the family and video
storage center. My wife is starting to venture into photography, and
the Mini on the larger screen will be the best way for her to look
over her photos.. Additionally, I am picking up a pair of iPads for
the home, which will act as the laptops while we travel.

I picked up Apple's bluetooth touch pad yesterday, after a long chat
with the Apple Tech folks at the local store. Great tip from you all.
Furthermore, I spoke with a eye doc in the area who is also a Apple
geek. He told me about something he did with some scripting and
peripherals, so once I get the info on what he did exactly, I will
share it.

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Slide to unlock?

2012-03-21 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
I can't slide to unlock.  Can anyone describe what to do?
On 21 Mar 2012, at 03:07, James Mannion wrote:

 One way to avoid it if it really bothers you is to slide to unlock
 instead of double tapping to unlock.
 
 On 3/20/12, Lewis Alexander freemacsforthebl...@gmail.com wrote:
 this is not a deliberate action. this is a software flaw and confirmed. what
 is actually happening is a considered tap so that as soon as you unlock,
 the first app you consider tapping calls up the previous app or assigned
 dock app first. so this is something we need to fix.
 
 lew
 
 On 20 Mar 2012, at 21:15, jason lefevers wrote:
 
 yes I believe this is a bug in the 5.1 update my 4S did not do this untill
 then. However I think apple may have done it on purpose . It launches the
 app that is first in your doc. So if you have a app that you want to
 launch every time you unlock your phone put it first in yourdoc. This only
 occurs when you touch the screen right away after unlocking but not after
 waiting a sec to do anything. jason n Mar 20, 2012, at 4:39 PM, David Hole
 wrote:
 
 Hi folks.
 I remember the discussion on iOS 5.1 a week ago, and tried to search
 the group before posting this, but I couldn't find anything related.
 Since I thought this was a nice idea, I didn't care that much, but
 right now this is beginning to piss me a bit off...
 As the subject says... Have anyone of you had that thing with your
 iPhone 4S?
 If so, is it that way it should be, or is it a bug?
 If it is a bug, is there something to do with that, or do we have to
 wait for Apple to do something?
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RE: Slide to unlock?

2012-03-21 Thread Daniel Miller
You have to start at the bottom left of the screen, and slide your finger
about 3 fourths to the right, maybe even half. If you're using an iPhone,
you'll run into the take picture button, that's not present on the iPad.

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Subject: Slide to unlock?

I can't slide to unlock.  Can anyone describe what to do?
On 21 Mar 2012, at 03:07, James Mannion wrote:

 One way to avoid it if it really bothers you is to slide to unlock 
 instead of double tapping to unlock.
 
 On 3/20/12, Lewis Alexander freemacsforthebl...@gmail.com wrote:
 this is not a deliberate action. this is a software flaw and 
 confirmed. what is actually happening is a considered tap so that 
 as soon as you unlock, the first app you consider tapping calls up 
 the previous app or assigned dock app first. so this is something we need
to fix.
 
 lew
 
 On 20 Mar 2012, at 21:15, jason lefevers wrote:
 
 yes I believe this is a bug in the 5.1 update my 4S did not do this 
 untill then. However I think apple may have done it on purpose . It 
 launches the app that is first in your doc. So if you have a app 
 that you want to launch every time you unlock your phone put it 
 first in yourdoc. This only occurs when you touch the screen right 
 away after unlocking but not after waiting a sec to do anything. 
 jason n Mar 20, 2012, at 4:39 PM, David Hole
 wrote:
 
 Hi folks.
 I remember the discussion on iOS 5.1 a week ago, and tried to 
 search the group before posting this, but I couldn't find anything
related.
 Since I thought this was a nice idea, I didn't care that much, but 
 right now this is beginning to piss me a bit off...
 As the subject says... Have anyone of you had that thing with your 
 iPhone 4S?
 If so, is it that way it should be, or is it a bug?
 If it is a bug, is there something to do with that, or do we have 
 to wait for Apple to do something?
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Re: Slide to unlock?

2012-03-21 Thread Jane
I double-tap where it says to slide to unlock.

Jane


On Mar 21, 2012, at 6:21 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

 I can't slide to unlock.  Can anyone describe what to do?
 On 21 Mar 2012, at 03:07, James Mannion wrote:
 
 One way to avoid it if it really bothers you is to slide to unlock
 instead of double tapping to unlock.
 
 On 3/20/12, Lewis Alexander freemacsforthebl...@gmail.com wrote:
 this is not a deliberate action. this is a software flaw and confirmed. what
 is actually happening is a considered tap so that as soon as you unlock,
 the first app you consider tapping calls up the previous app or assigned
 dock app first. so this is something we need to fix.
 
 lew
 
 On 20 Mar 2012, at 21:15, jason lefevers wrote:
 
 yes I believe this is a bug in the 5.1 update my 4S did not do this untill
 then. However I think apple may have done it on purpose . It launches the
 app that is first in your doc. So if you have a app that you want to
 launch every time you unlock your phone put it first in yourdoc. This only
 occurs when you touch the screen right away after unlocking but not after
 waiting a sec to do anything. jason n Mar 20, 2012, at 4:39 PM, David Hole
 wrote:
 
 Hi folks.
 I remember the discussion on iOS 5.1 a week ago, and tried to search
 the group before posting this, but I couldn't find anything related.
 Since I thought this was a nice idea, I didn't care that much, but
 right now this is beginning to piss me a bit off...
 As the subject says... Have anyone of you had that thing with your
 iPhone 4S?
 If so, is it that way it should be, or is it a bug?
 If it is a bug, is there something to do with that, or do we have to
 wait for Apple to do something?
 -Best regards David
 
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Re: Drobo dashboard, is it accessible?

2012-03-21 Thread Scott Howell
Doug, I make no promises and I cannot even tell you what will come of this. 
However, I have been working through a vendor who has connected me to a nice 
young lady named Abby at Drobo and she is going to start researching things on 
her end. I would love to have some resources on how Java-based apps can be made 
accessible. I suspect the reason they went this route is to be cross-platform 
compatible. THe more folks I know that want access to the Drobo, the more 
likely I can make some headway because it is all about the level of demand and 
the potential market for these products.

On Mar 20, 2012, at 9:28 PM, Doug Lawlor wrote:

 Hi Skott,
 As of this writing Drobo Dashboard is not accessible. When you launch the 
 program VoiceOver does not see the program's controls. It would be nice if we 
 could get in contact with the developer and get them to do something about 
 this problem. I havent been able to update a Drobo FS in months because of 
 this
 
 Doug
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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 All,
 
 I was talking with someone today about nas devices and some issues I have 
 been having. He mentioned the Drobo which I know is pretty expensive and he 
 was explaining that you access the Drobo via a dashboard app that also 
 requires you to install java. I asked if he had ever thought to see if it 
 were compatible with VoiceOver, but he did not. So, I was curious if anyone 
 on the list has used a Drobo and can comment on the accessibility of the 
 Dashboard.
 I'll post my other issue in a separate post regarding my nas problem.
 
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Re: Drobo dashboard, is it accessible?

2012-03-21 Thread Scott Howell
Neil I hear you, but there is no reason not to explore the possibility to make 
the dashboard accessible as well. I have a WD solution that has a pretty 
difficult html interface and it gets the job done as well. However, I would 
certainly not discourage anyone from using a solution just because of the price 
or interface if that is what they really wanted to use. I do not know much 
about the Net Gear products, but I assume they allow you to hotswap drives as 
well?

On Mar 21, 2012, at 8:30 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:

 No, the DroBo dash board is not accessible, from both an accessibility and 
 cost point, the NetGear ReadyNAS appliances are both accessible, using an 
 HTML based interface, but also far cheaper and just as reliable in my 
 experience.
 
 They also take advantage of a sort of expandable flexible RAID solution 
 NetGear call X-RAID, essentially the same as Beyond RAID which DroBo uses.
 
 
 Regards,
 
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 All,
 
 I was talking with someone today about nas devices and some issues I have 
 been having. He mentioned the Drobo which I know is pretty expensive and he 
 was explaining that you access the Drobo via a dashboard app that also 
 requires you to install java. I asked if he had ever thought to see if it 
 were compatible with VoiceOver, but he did not. So, I was curious if anyone 
 on the list has used a Drobo and can comment on the accessibility of the 
 Dashboard.
 I'll post my other issue in a separate post regarding my nas problem.
 
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Re: Slide to unlock?

2012-03-21 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
Thanks Daniel.

It worked.

Kawal.

On 21 Mar 2012, at 10:40 PM, Jane juanitatig...@gmail.com wrote:

 I double-tap where it says to slide to unlock.
 
 Jane
 
 
 On Mar 21, 2012, at 6:21 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
 
 I can't slide to unlock.  Can anyone describe what to do?
 On 21 Mar 2012, at 03:07, James Mannion wrote:
 
 One way to avoid it if it really bothers you is to slide to unlock
 instead of double tapping to unlock.
 
 On 3/20/12, Lewis Alexander freemacsforthebl...@gmail.com wrote:
 this is not a deliberate action. this is a software flaw and confirmed. 
 what
 is actually happening is a considered tap so that as soon as you unlock,
 the first app you consider tapping calls up the previous app or assigned
 dock app first. so this is something we need to fix.
 
 lew
 
 On 20 Mar 2012, at 21:15, jason lefevers wrote:
 
 yes I believe this is a bug in the 5.1 update my 4S did not do this untill
 then. However I think apple may have done it on purpose . It launches the
 app that is first in your doc. So if you have a app that you want to
 launch every time you unlock your phone put it first in yourdoc. This only
 occurs when you touch the screen right away after unlocking but not after
 waiting a sec to do anything. jason n Mar 20, 2012, at 4:39 PM, David Hole
 wrote:
 
 Hi folks.
 I remember the discussion on iOS 5.1 a week ago, and tried to search
 the group before posting this, but I couldn't find anything related.
 Since I thought this was a nice idea, I didn't care that much, but
 right now this is beginning to piss me a bit off...
 As the subject says... Have anyone of you had that thing with your
 iPhone 4S?
 If so, is it that way it should be, or is it a bug?
 If it is a bug, is there something to do with that, or do we have to
 wait for Apple to do something?
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Re: How to keep I Photo from automatically loading

2012-03-21 Thread Frank Tom
Thanks bunches. I'll fix my friends computer. In the meantime, I removed 
JawBone updater from my Startup menu; it's been driving me nuts. Thanks for the 
help.

Tom
On Mar 21, 2012, at 1:56 AM, Dean Adams wrote:

 Hi Tom,
   Go to system preferences and users and groups and VO right arrow to the 
 login items and check if Iphoto is one of the items in the applications table 
 if it is interact with the table and stop when you are on the Iphoto 
 Application and then stop interacting and VO right arrow to the remove button 
 and then your good to go.
 Regards Dean
 
 
 
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 On 21/03/2012, at 10:03 AM, Frank Tom wrote:
 
 On my friend's new I Mac, I Photo keeps loading at startup. I canceled this 
 option via I Photo in the Doc . Is there another area where I have to turn a 
 check box off?
 
 Since is goal in life is to get into the BARD website and download magazines 
 by himself, I want to have Safari load automatically.  what's the best way 
 to do this?
 
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anyone else noticing mail.app wierdness?

2012-03-21 Thread Eric Oyen
hello all..

I seem to be encountering some weirdness of late with mail.app and hotmail.com. 
the weirdness is the fact that mail.app will work normally and then kick up a 
dialog box saying that hotmail.com rejected my password. since I have not 
changed my password in a long time and I routinely check the hotmail site junk 
folder from their web interface, I am at a loss as to what is actually causing 
this.

anyone here a mail.app guru?

-eric

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Re: anyone else noticing mail.app wierdness?

2012-03-21 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hi,

I've been seeing this all day as well.

Ricardo Walker
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On Mar 21, 2012, at 11:06 PM, Eric Oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote:

 hello all..
 
 I seem to be encountering some weirdness of late with mail.app and 
 hotmail.com. the weirdness is the fact that mail.app will work normally and 
 then kick up a dialog box saying that hotmail.com rejected my password. since 
 I have not changed my password in a long time and I routinely check the 
 hotmail site junk folder from their web interface, I am at a loss as to what 
 is actually causing this.
 
 anyone here a mail.app guru?
 
 -eric
 
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Re: anyone else noticing mail.app wierdness?

2012-03-21 Thread Eric Oyen
oh yeah, I also get one other problem (unrelated to mail.app):
any attempt to do anything more than simply browse the hotmail site results in 
their non-standard javascript crashing Safari (and webkit). its getting to be a 
real pain. Since I don't have windows (nor a spare machine to put it on), I am 
stuck with messages in the spam folder that are not spam. anyone have any clues 
on how to work around this?

-eric

On Mar 21, 2012, at 10:38 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

 Hi,
 
 I've been seeing this all day as well.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Mar 21, 2012, at 11:06 PM, Eric Oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 hello all..
 
 I seem to be encountering some weirdness of late with mail.app and 
 hotmail.com. the weirdness is the fact that mail.app will work normally and 
 then kick up a dialog box saying that hotmail.com rejected my password. 
 since I have not changed my password in a long time and I routinely check 
 the hotmail site junk folder from their web interface, I am at a loss as to 
 what is actually causing this.
 
 anyone here a mail.app guru?
 
 -eric
 
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