RE: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-19 Thread Simon Fogarty
Hi folks,

This change that is at this stage still a rumour is at least 6 months away and 
lets face it, the headphone jack wont change over night,because it’s used by 
all.

If apple go with the thinner iPhone 7 or what ever they call it, and therefore 
remove the 3.5 mil jack, they will most likely create an adaptor to go with the 
change, and what’s wrong with lightening to 3.5mil  remember that there are a 
hell of a lot more headphone producers with that type of connector than Apple 
producing one line of products and hell Samsung wont put a lightening connector 
in their devices

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 19 January 2016 2:49 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple's headphone scam

None of that explains why they have to abandon the headphone jack. Your point 
about the M4A encoding quality doesn't really address the issue, which is that 
ITunes and Apple Music do not provide as good audio quality as other providers. 
Surely, you are own guessing Apple's reasons for implimenting this, just in the 
same way as I am. I am however prepared to accept that there may be quite a lot 
of truth in what you've written my friend. I am however able to take a 
seemingly more neutral and balanced approach to Apple. I love their 
accessibility, but I do not appreciate the way they lock customers into their 
products. I get the feeling that you might be an Apple extremist, unable to 
find any fault with anything they do, advising people not to speak up against 
their concerns. If their concerns are raised then at least this helps Apple 
understand how their customers feel about their productts, which is very 
valuable for any business. My Apple extremism analogy seems further supported 
by your email signature. Apple is not a religion; it is a business. There is no 
need to respond to critiques of said business with suce emotive fervour.

Well I must say, this is out of character for me. I normally avoid 
confrontations on email lists and forums, but I'm quite enjoying myself. Hope 
you are too.

.  ,

Sent from my iPhone

On 18 Jan 2016, at 12:09, Ray Foret Jr 
> wrote:
Frankly,  I think you are looking for a reason to abandin Apple anyway.  Sounds 
like it to me.  I know that audio can both be received by the lightning jack as 
well as send it out.  Furthermore, the lightning jack can render true 5.1 
channel sound.  Can your precious 3.5 MM jack do that?  Of course it cannot.  
As for file resolution.  YOu are wrong in stating that .m4a only goes up to 
256KBPS.  I can code it as high as 320KBPS.  I'm not sure if you bothered to 
really pay attention to what I said but, Apple is soon going to role out true 
high resolution audio.  I'm quite certain they will have the adapters for older 
headphone models.
!
Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!

On Jan 18, 2016, at 5:45 AM, 'onlineeagle' via MacVisionaries 
> wrote:

Does seem like a cynical money making scheme. There's no reason why they can't 
have both options. All this means is that potentially people are going to find 
there old headphones redundant. If Apple provide lightning to headphone jack 
adapters then maybe this won't be so bad, but Apple are pretty good at trying 
to corner their customers and force them into staying Apple. You can only use 
ITunes  on iPhones and iPods, not android devices.  and IBooks can only be 
accessed on Apple devices. Whereas Kindle books can be read on both Amazons own 
devices as well as iPhones and iPods. You can't drag and drop files from your 
computer to your phone like you can with most other phones. You can't get 
content out of your phone from other apps like you can with other phones. As 
for audio quality: Apple music and ITunes only go as high as 256 kbps. If they 
cared about audio quality then surely this wouldn't be the case.  Spotify goes 
up to 320 kB per second, and services like tidal have los less audio quality.

Finally, do we even know if a lightning to headphone jack would really be 
possible? I do not want to be forced into buying proprietary headphones. If 
this happens then I'll abandon Apple. I think it's important that people let 
Apple know about their concerns. Maybe we should have done something similar 
about their working conditions for their workers in China, but that's another 
issue. Thanks.

Sent from my iPhone

On 18 Jan 2016, at 11:17, Ray Foret Jr 
> wrote:
I would advise having nothing to do with this.  You are overlooking an obvious 
benefit;  and it's not just more money for Apple:  rather it's this.  The plain 
fact is that it's 

remote access

2016-01-19 Thread Simon Fogarty
Hi List,

 I'm trying to find something to allow me to remotely admin my Mac machines, 
but when I try with the built in remote tools in either Yosemite or elcapitan 
voiceover doesn't give me any feedback via the remote connection.

 Does anyone know of a remote desktop tool that will allow for voiceover usage 
I guess similar to that of windows with jaws?

Thanks for any help people can provide.

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Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-19 Thread Terje Strømberg
What about one unit for all? No you have external battery and soon adapters 
with dac for 3.5mm plugs. Much external stuff to carry around, Humoristic said, 
like a joke, iPhone is an external Phone for iWatch.

Serious: Down the road, there probably will be all wireless connectivity 
between devices. Even external charging. Some of us like to use the 3.5mm 
output and cabled headphones. Therefore some peoople in different communities 
out there will try to influence apple if there is some truth in the rumour.

Take care

19. jan. 2016 kl. 09:29 skrev Simon Fogarty :

Hi folks,
 
This change that is at this stage still a rumour is at least 6 months away and 
lets face it, the headphone jack wont change over night,because it’s used by 
all.
 
If apple go with the thinner iPhone 7 or what ever they call it, and therefore 
remove the 3.5 mil jack, they will most likely create an adaptor to go with the 
change, and what’s wrong with lightening to 3.5mil  remember that there are a 
hell of a lot more headphone producers with that type of connector than Apple 
producing one line of products and hell Samsung wont put a lightening connector 
in their devices
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, 19 January 2016 2:49 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple's headphone scam
 
None of that explains why they have to abandon the headphone jack. Your point 
about the M4A encoding quality doesn't really address the issue, which is that 
ITunes and Apple Music do not provide as good audio quality as other providers. 
Surely, you are own guessing Apple's reasons for implimenting this, just in the 
same way as I am. I am however prepared to accept that there may be quite a lot 
of truth in what you've written my friend. I am however able to take a 
seemingly more neutral and balanced approach to Apple. I love their 
accessibility, but I do not appreciate the way they lock customers into their 
products. I get the feeling that you might be an Apple extremist, unable to 
find any fault with anything they do, advising people not to speak up against 
their concerns. If their concerns are raised then at least this helps Apple 
understand how their customers feel about their productts, which is very 
valuable for any business. My Apple extremism analogy seems further supported 
by your email signature. Apple is not a religion; it is a business. There is no 
need to respond to critiques of said business with suce emotive fervour.
 
Well I must say, this is out of character for me. I normally avoid 
confrontations on email lists and forums, but I'm quite enjoying myself. Hope 
you are too. 
 
.  ,

Sent from my iPhone

On 18 Jan 2016, at 12:09, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

Frankly,  I think you are looking for a reason to abandin Apple anyway.  Sounds 
like it to me.  I know that audio can both be received by the lightning jack as 
well as send it out.  Furthermore, the lightning jack can render true 5.1 
channel sound.  Can your precious 3.5 MM jack do that?  Of course it cannot.  
As for file resolution.  YOu are wrong in stating that .m4a only goes up to 
256KBPS.  I can code it as high as 320KBPS.  I'm not sure if you bothered to 
really pay attention to what I said but, Apple is soon going to role out true 
high resolution audio.  I'm quite certain they will have the adapters for older 
headphone models.  
!

Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in
 
Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
 
On Jan 18, 2016, at 5:45 AM, 'onlineeagle' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:
 
Does seem like a cynical money making scheme. There's no reason why they can't 
have both options. All this means is that potentially people are going to find 
there old headphones redundant. If Apple provide lightning to headphone jack 
adapters then maybe this won't be so bad, but Apple are pretty good at trying 
to corner their customers and force them into staying Apple. You can only use 
ITunes  on iPhones and iPods, not android devices.  and IBooks can only be 
accessed on Apple devices. Whereas Kindle books can be read on both Amazons own 
devices as well as iPhones and iPods. You can't drag and drop files from your 
computer to your phone like you can with most other phones. You can't get 
content out of your phone from other apps like you can with other phones. As 
for audio quality: Apple music and ITunes only go as high as 256 kbps. If they 
cared about audio quality then surely this wouldn't be the case.  Spotify goes 
up to 320 kB per second, and services like tidal have los less audio quality.
 
Finally, do we even know if a lightning to headphone jack would really be 
possible? I do not want to be forced into buying proprietary headphones. If 
this happens 

Re: requesting help from anyone using linux sonar in a virtual machine

2016-01-19 Thread 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries
Michael Marshall writes:
> hey,
> thanks for that command, so i type the word orka and - and then S?
Almost. I guess VO didn't pronounce the dash in that command.


Here's a bit more info ...

1.) You need to wait awhile for the Fedora Live image to boot. From
a cdrom this takes longer than from a USB stick, but even less time if
running from an ISO file mount in a vm. You're waiting for the boot
process to complete, for the Login prompt to time out, and for the GNOME
desktop to finish loading. Unfortunately, there are no audio sing posts
along this path. So, just get a cup of coffee , or something.

2.) The command Alt F2 is the command that brings up the GNOME
command prompt where you can type a command press enter to execute it.
Windows has such a thing, but I don't see where Mac has, but it's simply
a box where you get to type any command, just as though you were in a
terminal window.

Now, there's a problem with this step. You need to have mapped
Alt+F2 in your VMware, because you don't have an Alt key on the
Mac. I would expect this is a familiar problem, though, because
you have the same need when running Windows.

3.) With the command window open, you type

o r c a space dash s

and press enter.

That brings up Orca in its setup screen where
you can adjust various screen reader related
things. If you're happy with the defaults, you
might do "orca -r" as in "restart" instead.

>From here it's a matter of knowing how to use Orca on the GNOME desktop.
It's not at all like the Mac or the Windows environment, so please don't
have expectations of a similar experience. My best advice is to not
worry about the desktop initially, and try some straight forward
application like the Firefox web browser to get an experience on Linux
that will be more familiar. How to bring up firefox? Your command box is
your friend. Do your Alt+F2 again, type "firefox" and press enter.

> what are the advantages of fiddora?

It's a robust, leading edge Linux distribution that's up to date, but
not too much out on the development edge. So, stuff supplied with Fedora
can be generally expected to work out of the box. That includes Orca and
the GNOME desktop, and that includes brltty. You'd need to work a little
harder to get Speakup for the console, because Speakup requires you run
special kernel modules.


If you want an out of the box experience with accessible Linux, you
probably want Vinux. What's your interest in Linux?

Janina

> > On 19 Jan 2016, at 8:53 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > With Fedora, wait a little longer than you think necessary for the Live
> > image to boot, press Esc a few times, then do:
> > 
> > Alt+F2
> > 
> > and type
> > orca -s
> > 
> > Note you need the Live image.
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > 
> > Michael Marshall writes:
> >> i was going to play with fiddora but i could not get the screenreader 
> >> started at install.
> >> i was using work station.
> >>> On 18 Jan 2016, at 8:02 AM, matthew dyer  
> >>> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Hi,
> >>> 
> >>> I think kindle said he hopes to have it out in march when the new sonar 
> >>> image is do.  I am in the process of trying to download faddorra 23 work 
> >>> station so will see how it goes.
> >>> 
> >>> Matthew
> >>> 
> >>> 
>  On Jan 17, 2016, at 3:16 PM, Michael Marshall 
>   wrote:
>  
>  hey,
>  are there much advantages of using sonar over say ubuntu mate witch 
>  still uses the nome desktop?
>  i hate the Unity system's.
>  when will this new installer for sonar be usible?
>  i can't even get to the point that you reach.
> > On 18 Jan 2016, at 4:05 AM, matthew dyer 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Michael,
> > 
> > I do not have the problem you describe, but do the fact that the 
> > installer is not working the way it should I can not get through 
> > install process.  I for instance, can not activate the next button 
> > after causing english as the language.  It is a mess.  BTW, I joined 
> > the manjaro dev list to watch the development of manjaro and sonar and 
> > the new installer that sonar will be using is now working for the most 
> > part according to kindle clark.   Just wanted to pass that along to 
> > give you heads up.  
> > 
> > Matthew
> > 
> > 
> >> On Jan 17, 2016, at 7:32 AM, Michael Marshall 
> >>  wrote:
> >> 
> >> hey,
> >> i am sorry i'm posting here but it's the only place i know of.
> >> it would not let me proceed, there is something about that ISO file 
> >> that Fusion absolutely hates.
> >> it knows that it is a linux disc but i can't get 

Re: requesting help with linux and VM Fusion on mac.

2016-01-19 Thread 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries
Hi, Michael:

Michael Marshall writes:
> what linux do you use?

I've been a Fedora user since the days it was just called Red Hat. At
various times I have also had Debian machines. I currently also have
Arch on an old laptop, and have had a go at installing Arch in a VMware
vm.

> if you use ubuntu how do you cope with the Unity desktop view?
> i am having a play with ubuntu mate at the moment.


Well, this is one key reason why I don't do Ubuntu, though I believe I
briefly had an Ubuntu install about a decade ago.

I suppose knowing which choices to make on Linux is the top challenge
for a blind user. Unlike Microsoft and Apple were there's generally just
one desktop (and one terminal), Linux gives one choices at almost every
turn. There are choices in desktops, but only GNOME, and some of its
variants are accessible. There are also choices in how to manage the
sound environment which have accessibility consequences. Heck, there are
choices in how to manage the TCP/IP stack. Fortunately, the latter set
are generally accessible, whichever you choose, but knowing which
options bear which consequences is important to the level of success
and satisfaction you're likely to experience with Linux.

Myself, personally, I'm fortunate to have the kind of mindset that
prefers the command line to the graphical desktop environment. That's
just how I'm constituted. On Linux that's an advantage because the Linux
console, mediated by the screen terminal app is a perfect environment
for the Speakup screen reader. And, if you're a braille person, which I
am not, you won't find a better braille environment anywhere on any OS
than brltty.

Now, whether this kind of frame of reference would meet your needs is
another matter entirely. There are indeed blind Linux users who don't
bother with the console and simply use Orca on the GNOME desktop (or one
of its variants).

hth

Janina

> > On 19 Jan 2016, at 8:23 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Your Mac uses netbios to share its folders. This is why it's relatively
> > easier to share your host's file system in a Windows VMware guest
> > machine--netbios is natively a Microsoft way of doing such things.
> > 
> > You have two choices for access Mac hosted file systems under Linux
> > virtual machines:
> > 
> > 1.) Install and configure Samba in order to get netbios services
> > under Linux. This is a common application, and apt-get on your Ubuntu
> > machine will know about Samba.
> > 
> > 2.) Find, install and configure a NFS server on your Mac. NFS is the
> > preferred way to mount file systems hosted across a network under Linux,
> > and is easily configured on the Linux side of things. However, it's not
> > common on Mac to share using NFS.
> > 
> > 
> > PS: It's fairly easy to go the other way around with NFS. In other
> > words, it's fairly easy to read NFS exported file systems from a Linux
> > virtual host machine on the Mac host. In my situation I have my Airbook
> > configured to access files from my home office Linux servers using NFS.
> > 
> > The point here is that you're using network technology to mount remote
> > file systems--even though both machines are in the same physical box.
> > The communication between your Mac and your VMware virtual machines is
> > using TCP/IP.
> > 
> > hth
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > Michael Marshall writes:
> >> hey all,
> >> yesterday i at last got open VM tools installed on ubuntu mate v 15 so i 
> >> could hopefully share and mirror folders from the mac on my virtual 
> >> machine.
> >> even after installing open VM tools i could not find my shared folders, 
> >> nor could i see anything in any of the folders i wanted to mirror between 
> >> the two machines.
> >> is there something that i'm doing wrong? the installation of open VM tools 
> >> went exactly according to plan but that was as far as i got.
> >> I find this incredibly irritating and i'm out of ideas.
> >> i even tried this on the mane ubuntu distro without any luck.
> >> 
> >> thanks for any help
> >> 
> >> Michael
> >> 
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Re: requesting help from anyone using linux sonar in a virtual machine

2016-01-19 Thread 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries
Hi Again, Michael:

You've found me out!  I tend to run my integrity checks on Linux,
which I nfs mount to my Mac.

However, a quick Google search for:

osx checksum

brings up several relevant results. Off the top of my head I wouldn't
know whether or not any graphical checksum checker is accessible, of
course. But, I'd pretty much bet that any terminal, i.e. command line,
checker is as accessible as the Mac terminal itself, and that's good
enough for this task.

The fact that your Mac refused to mount an ISO image is a pretty good
tell, though. It strongly suggests the file itself is the culpirt. These
iso images are a common way to share dvdr and cdr volumes, and should
mount without an issue. My sense of the situation is that you have
pretty clearly demonstrated a bad ISO file, and to me that means you
can't trust anything inside it. Even if you can accurately get at 99% of
the data inside, that's likely not enough for the task at hand.

If it were an ebook, or an old movie, you might live with 99% of the
contents. But for software installs, you pretty much need the entire
enchilada.

Janina


Michael Marshall writes:
> hey,
> how do you run these kinds of commands?
> the mac would not mount the image, i had to use an extractor.
> > On 19 Jan 2016, at 8:50 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Did you run the integrity check on the ISO image? I have not used Sonar,
> > but there's surely some kind of checksum provided, and you should use it
> > to ascertain that the file you have on your local drive is a true copy
> > of the original. It might, for example, require you to run a sha command
> > of some kind.
> > 
> > One way beginners go wrong with iso files is to try and copy and paste
> > them to their cd burners.
> > 
> > As you were able to get at the files inside, the iso, you were clearly
> > able to mount it somewhere.
> > 
> > And, it's certainly possible it's a malformed iso image at the source.
> > Checksum should help disambiguate.
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > Michael Marshall writes:
> >> hey,
> >> i am sorry i'm posting here but it's the only place i know of.
> >> it would not let me proceed, there is something about that ISO file that 
> >> Fusion absolutely hates.
> >> it knows that it is a linux disc but i can't get past that screen.
> >> i like ubuntu mate but still i want to have a play with this one.
> >>> On 17 Jan 2016, at 8:39 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> You don’t need to extract the files from a Linux ISO image to boot from 
> >>> the ISO.  Tell VMWare Fusion to simply install from disk or disk image 
> >>> during the setup of the VM.  It should then detect the OS, or something 
> >>> close to it, and allow you to proceed.
> >>> 
> >>> I don’t use Sonar so I can’t help you with details of that particular 
> >>> flavour of Linux, and this isn’t really the right list for that.  
> >>> However, if it boots with sound, you should be golden at that point since 
> >>> the sound card is provided by VMWare and Linux has the driver.
> >>> 
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Re: remote access

2016-01-19 Thread 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries
Mine is probably not the answer you're wanting, but I bring it up for
completeness. You should know that you can ssh into your Mac and do that
way everything you can do from a Mac terminal prompt.

Clearly, that's not the same as getting a remote desktop, but it is very
reliable and gives you the same kind of access many Apple engineers use.


Janina

Simon Fogarty writes:
> Hi List,
> 
>  I'm trying to find something to allow me to remotely admin my Mac machines, 
> but when I try with the built in remote tools in either Yosemite or elcapitan 
> voiceover doesn't give me any feedback via the remote connection.
> 
>  Does anyone know of a remote desktop tool that will allow for voiceover 
> usage I guess similar to that of windows with jaws?
> 
> Thanks for any help people can provide.
> 
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Re: problems with shared folders between mac and linux sold

2016-01-19 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
Hi Janina,

On 18 Jan 2016, at 22:06, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
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> Well, if you mean the integration of all the tools in an out of the box
> installed product, it's certainly there on Linux for many users. The
> a11y use case has also been demonstrated by small distro knockoffs like
> Vinux.
> 
Sorry, I was specifically talking about the difficulty of using VMWare, as 
illustrated by the difference between using the official and open-VM-tools.

I don’t use the VI-specific distros because they are too out-of-date for my 
liking.

> It's not there, however, at the level that you can head over to Best Buy
> and come with a working Linux desktop system. So, it's always possible
> you will fail over driver issues and the like.
> 
I use Linux in a virtual environment.  Even Mac hardware—which you would hope 
is more readily supported by virtue of being well-known and invariant—is not 
well supported.  Broadcom Wi-Fi, for example, and therefore single-channel 
only.  The only Linux box I have is my quad-core Mac Mini, now being used as my 
home router/NAS.  We need to get to that magical stage where hardware is open, 
so distros can in fact come out of the box without fiddling required.

> Each to their own, of course. But my main machine remains a Linux,
> currently Fedora 23. I turn to my Mac to see how things work elsewhere
> by way of comparison. Ditto for my Windows vm.

I agree, each to their own.  I would love to be able to use Linux as my primary 
OS, primarily to get away from the various vendor playgrounds.  Perhaps I 
should be trying harder, but so far, I’m happiest using Linux on servers and 
exclusively in textmode.  Meantime, I also have a Windows VM.  Perhaps you 
could find a way to run OS X under qemu/KVM or, if it works, VMWare Workstation 
on Linux.

> I will freely admit there are particular niche tasks I can't do on my
> Linux box. But they are few. I 'm perfectly happy with the bulk of what
> I need daily, email, web, etc. And, in case your curious, I still spend
> more time in Speakup than in Orca.
> 
I have a Windows VM for the tiny number of things that OS X cannot do, and 
Linux, for braille.  I don’t want or need a GUI under Linux at all, and 
exclusively use braille.

> Given what I'm seeing by way of a11y API development, I frankly expect
> blink related a11y to actually take the lead. Microsoft have barely
> started implementing an API for UI Automation, but they've declared the
> DOM dead. Look out JAWS. And Apple won't even let you peek at the OSX
> accessibility API--not even if you're a big, stock market listed third
> party vendor.

I’m not prepared to look into my crystal ball.  I have experience with all of 
the platforms and don’t see any particular reason why any of them should “Win”. 
 Apart from ChromeOS, I don’t see any forward progress at all—for ChromeOS, 
things are actually regressing as Google finally updates ChromeVox to take 
advantage of their new APIs, but that should soon right itself.

The Apple accessibility protocols are all documented, but the Objective-C 
runtime isn’t.  So, you’re all right as long as you’re within Apple’s prison 
walls.  Outside, I don’t see any developer venturing to hack at the APIs 
through a non-objective-C language, which means non-Apple toolkits frequently 
aren’t accessible.  But, you could if you wanted to; just reverse-engineer 
(from the Apple-provided sources) the current Objective-C ABIs, and communicate 
with the protocol objects using entirely undocumented, 
likely-to-change-at-any-moment C-based APIs.  I have a note here to detail an 
actual case where this lost us some accessibility to Apple.

Cheers,
Sabahattin

PS: your DMARC policy is causing Google Groups to rewrite your sender address.  
Perhaps dedicate a subdomain for lists.  Also feel free to contact me off-list 
if there is no further Apple-related matter.

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Re: some very good news for users of media human youtube to mp3 converter and VO

2016-01-19 Thread Michael Marshall
hey,
this is one program that you have to update because youtube keeps changing 
there algorithms so the program updates when they occur.
> On 20 Jan 2016, at 2:58 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
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> Oh cool, thanx for sharing this, I didn't know that even still worked.  The 
> last few times I tried using it, it just sat there and didn't do a thing.
> On Jan 17, 2016, at 7:15 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
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>> That's awesome news!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 17, 2016, at 4:18 PM, Michael Marshall  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> hey all,
>>> just wanted to let you know that with the latest update of media human's 
>>> fantastic youtube to mp3 converter the program has become a lot more 
>>> accessible with VO.
>>> in stead of just saying unknown the main window now has options and a menu 
>>> that you can now access.
>>> Michael
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Re: How to stop automatic downloads of IOS updates?

2016-01-19 Thread Donna Goodin
Wow!  thanks for this, it was an entertaining, albeit exacerbating read.  :)  I 
mean, seriously.  If you don't want to download an update, why the  would 
you want to download it and let it take up all that space on your device?  I 
have to agree with the comments that talked about Apple losing sight of its 
original anti-big-brother philosophy.

Thanks for the link Sabahattin.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jan 19, 2016, at 11:52 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
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> Hi Donna,
> 
> I regret that the answer you are looking for is, “You can’t.”
> 
> See this:
> http://osxdaily.com/2016/01/04/stop-ios-software-update-notification/
> 
> Read all the comments too; fun stuff.
> 
> The best options you have are to either go to cellular full-time, leave the 
> downloaded updates on the devices and simply keep ignoring them, or install a 
> cache on the network that would at least prevent redundant downloading.  But 
> as for the off switch that you seek, there is sadly none. :(
> 
> Cheers,
> Sabahattin
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VLC for Apple TV review: Goodbye format woes

2016-01-19 Thread dan dunfee



http://www.macworld.com/article/3023383/streaming-media/vlc-for-apple-tv-review-goodbye-format-woes.html#tk.rss_all


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Re: Ad blocking extensions for OS X El Capitan

2016-01-19 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
Hi Grant,

Briefly there are two ways to do ad-blocking in Safari: event-based and 
list-based.  The event-based method is exclusive to OS X and has been around 
for quite a bit; the list-based method is new to iOS 9 and OS X El Capitan.  
The market on the Mac has been served by event-based ad blockers for a while 
now, and thus the list-based extensions (which are fewer and more limited) are 
not as popular or well-known.  On iOS, of course, where ad blocking is now 
possible, it’s a different story altogether.  Event-based blockers are script, 
as any other extension is.  On iOS, the list-based blockers maintain the lists 
for use by Safari; there is therefore no way for ad-blocking, by itself, while 
you are in Safari, to communicate with the network.  On mac the lack of 
compartmentalisation means that anything is possible, regardless of whether 
Safari uses the same mechanism.  Still, unless you are careless, I doubt you 
have anything to fear from any ad-blocking on that platform.

My preference is the old-style AdBlock (not AdBlock Plus, although nowadays the 
differences are few).  There are others out there, but I appreciate the 
maintenance profile of AdBlock; it’s mostly set and forget.  My network is also 
doing ad-blocking at the DNS level, so many iOS apps suddenly can’t get their 
ads anymore (sorry guys, but it is the path you have chosen).  Doubtless many 
other iOS users will be feeling the same joy when they discover that webviews 
now get Safari’s ad-blocking; webviews are how many apps display their ads.  
Oh, and it helps that Apple is disbanding iAd.

Cheers,
Sabahattin

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Re: How to stop automatic downloads of IOS updates?

2016-01-19 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
Hi Donna,

I regret that the answer you are looking for is, “You can’t.”

See this:
http://osxdaily.com/2016/01/04/stop-ios-software-update-notification/

Read all the comments too; fun stuff.

The best options you have are to either go to cellular full-time, leave the 
downloaded updates on the devices and simply keep ignoring them, or install a 
cache on the network that would at least prevent redundant downloading.  But as 
for the off switch that you seek, there is sadly none. :(

Cheers,
Sabahattin

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Re: Why do I want an Airport router?

2016-01-19 Thread Alex Hall
On the subject of NAS, what do you mean by "building one for myself"? Don't I 
just plug a 2TB drive into a router's USB port and allow network access? 
There's redundancy to consider, but we'll just be using this for movies of 
which we still have DVDs, so I'm not overly concerned about that.
> On Jan 19, 2016, at 10:58, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
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> Well of course, if the router is right next to the TV anyway, then an Apple 
> TV actually isn’t a bad fit at all.  But your speakers need to be up to the 
> task if you are going to get much enjoyment out of them.
> 
> AirPort Express is a network audio receiver that can also be a router.  Apple 
> TV is a network video receiver, downloader, and other such things, but is not 
> a router.  You plug them into your existing equipment, and gain networked 
> audio/video (usually wireless) streaming from whatever your iOS or Mac device 
> can see or hear.  That is the essential (but not complete) gist of it.  Think 
> of them as network alternatives to the wireless cordless products that have 
> been around for a while now, only better because they can run over wire as 
> well as wireless.  Worse, if you consider Apple’s AirPlay lock-in.  Now that 
> my bedroom has been hijacked by my brother again, I’m back on the wireless 
> headphones, but AirPort Express made a lot of sense for me.
> 
> Time Capsule is not in the same league as other NAS products, in terms of 
> feature set or data protection (just one disk) and is intended mostly for 
> backup.  It’s a lot nicer, though.  Experiences of other blind folk with 
> these NAS products appears to indicate that they are not as accessible as 
> they could be.  Time Capsule is of course completely accessible.  There are 
> other people on here with experiences to relate about NASs.  If you want a 
> NAS that is completely accessible, you also have the option of building one 
> for yourself.
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Re: How to stop automatic downloads of IOS updates?

2016-01-19 Thread Grant
I don't think iOS updates download over cellular networks, do they? I've always 
been advised that I need to connect to Wi-Fi to download a new version of iOS, 
even when I try to initiate the update myself. Therefore cellular data usage 
should not be a problem. As well, once the update finishes downloading it 
should show up under settings, general, storage and I cloud usage where it can 
be deleted. Once it is removed, it should not re-download.

I hope this helps somewhat!

Grant

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 19, 2016, at 8:46 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi Anne,
> 
> Thanks.  Unfortunately, the setting you're talking about only pertains to 
> purchased content, not to IOS itself.  The problem that my friend is having 
> is that his ISP is also his cell carrier, so whether he's on wifi or using 
> cellular data, it all comes from the same pool, and he has a data cap.  There 
> are approx six i-devices and Macs in his household, so the auto download of 
> the operating system is chewing through his data.  I'm sure that to all those 
> happily living in Cupertino, this seems like a ridiculous problem, and it is. 
>  But, there are a lot of people living in rural U.S.  with less than 
> desirable connectivity.  It really seems to me that Apple should make not 
> downloading a new IOS an option.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jan 19, 2016, at 10:06 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Donna,
>> 
>> On my iPhone, in Settings/iTunes & Appstores, under the heading Automatic 
>> Downloads, I have the following items turned off:
>> Music, Apps, Books, Updates.
>> I manage everything from my Mac and back up to my Mac.
>> I had to restore my iPhone the other day as it was behaving erratically and 
>> the process was really easy because everything was safely stored on my Mac.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>>> On 19 Jan 2016, at 15:29, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Shawn,
>>> 
>>> Yep, he knows that, but he's hoping for another solution. :) thanks, though!
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna 
>>> 
 On Jan 19, 2016, at 8:26 AM, BBS  wrote:
 
 Hi Donna. There is no setting to stop iOS updates. However, if your friend 
 fills up his or her phone, there wouldn't be any room for the updates to 
 download.
 
 
 Shawn
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 Hi all,
 
 I'm actually posting this for a friend who lives in a rural area.  He has 
 lousy internet connectivity, and wants to stop automatic download of IOS 
 system updates.  anyone know of a way to do this?  The setting to disable 
 app downloads in iTunes?App Store settings only applies to purchased apps, 
 not to IOS upgrades. 
 thanks,
 Donna
 
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Re: remote access

2016-01-19 Thread 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries

+1
I can configure and generally manage Apache running on a remote Mac Mini 
pretty well with just SSH. You might be surprised what you can do with a 
little Googling around. For example, depending on your flavor of OSX, 
you can install all updates by typing sudo softwareupdate -iva. You can, 
like all unix boxes, reboot the machine with sudo shutdown -r now. There 
are the other obvious things like sftp to transfer files or you can turn 
on filesharing via terminal as well and just mount the remote machine's 
drive so you can use your favorite local apps to edit things.


CB

On 1/19/16 4:17 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Mine is probably not the answer you're wanting, but I bring it up for
completeness. You should know that you can ssh into your Mac and do that
way everything you can do from a Mac terminal prompt.

Clearly, that's not the same as getting a remote desktop, but it is very
reliable and gives you the same kind of access many Apple engineers use.


Janina

Simon Fogarty writes:

Hi List,

  I'm trying to find something to allow me to remotely admin my Mac machines, 
but when I try with the built in remote tools in either Yosemite or elcapitan 
voiceover doesn't give me any feedback via the remote connection.

  Does anyone know of a remote desktop tool that will allow for voiceover usage 
I guess similar to that of windows with jaws?

Thanks for any help people can provide.

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Re: Need a bit of USB sound education

2016-01-19 Thread 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
If you are trying to get 5.1 out of your Mac, does your amp have an 
optical input? If so, it might be easier to skip all the USB stuff and 
just run optical from the mini to your surround-sound amp.


CB

On 1/18/16 9:57 PM, Bill Holton wrote:


Hi.

My wife says they are green, orange—red?—and black.The USB cable goes 
into the box, those three cables go to my 5.1 system subwoofer, the 
subwoofer has the amp, I am guessing, and there are five audio cable 
jacks in it that lead to the left, right, satellite, and center 
channels.The speakers also have a large cable with a volume know, a 
headphone jack, and dial for bass/treble, and another that does 
increased separation.Does that help?


The USB audio keeps dropping out, then coming back. I thought maybe it 
was an OS issue, but I am running VM, and after a config change it 
started asking me where I want the device connected, Mac or Windows, 
so I am guessing it is actually disconnecting and reconnecting.Tried 
three different USB cables;, didn’t help.


*From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of 
*Christopher-Mark Gilland

*Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 6:50 PM
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: Need a bit of USB sound education

OK, do you know what color those cables are?  That would tell me a 
fair amount.  Are they blue green and black?  If so, I might have a 
possible solution.  If two of them are red and white, then I'll have 
to think about it, as that wouldn't exactly tell me much.


red and white is generally your standard RCA, then of course yellow 
would be for video, so I highly doubt that is what you're working with.


The green, blue, and black would be digital and probably would be like 
a composit cable.


That's why I'm kind a wonderring.  We need just a slight bit more info.

Chris.

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*From:*Bill Holton 

*To:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com


*Sent:*Monday, January 18, 2016 5:15 PM

*Subject:*Need a bit of USB sound education

Hi.

I am currently running a USB sound adapter to a set of 5.1
speakers on my Mac Mini, connected by three color-coded cables to
the subwoofer, which in turn connects to the five speakers.

The device is acting up, it keeps failing and restarting.Tried
different cable, same issues.I want to replace the device, but not
sure what I am looking for.All the ones I see on Amazon show audio
out.What do I need to look for in one that will connect via the
three color coded cables?Hoping to get off fairly inexpensively,
so if anyone can recommend one…much thanks.

Bill

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Re: requesting help with linux and VM Fusion on mac.

2016-01-19 Thread 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
It's been a while since I did this but OSX has nfsd pre-installed and 
you only need to set it up. From my old notes I think I had to set up my 
exports file in /etc/exports (see man exports). I wanted to backup some 
mysql files from a Centos box to my mac so I had a drive on the Mac 
called Backup and just added


/Volumes/Backup -maproot=cblouch

cblouch was my username on both boxes. I then did an nfsd enable to 
start things up. From the linux side I did something like:


mount network_address_of_my_mac:/Volumes/Backup /root/backmount

where backmount was an existing folder in /root. To get rid of the mount 
I do umount backmount. After mounting I could then copy files at will 
from the Centos box to backmount and they would appear on the Backup 
drive on the Mac and vice versa.


CB

On 1/18/16 4:23 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,

Your Mac uses netbios to share its folders. This is why it's relatively
easier to share your host's file system in a Windows VMware guest
machine--netbios is natively a Microsoft way of doing such things.

You have two choices for access Mac hosted file systems under Linux
virtual machines:

1.) Install and configure Samba in order to get netbios services
under Linux. This is a common application, and apt-get on your Ubuntu
machine will know about Samba.

2.) Find, install and configure a NFS server on your Mac. NFS is the
preferred way to mount file systems hosted across a network under Linux,
and is easily configured on the Linux side of things. However, it's not
common on Mac to share using NFS.


PS: It's fairly easy to go the other way around with NFS. In other
words, it's fairly easy to read NFS exported file systems from a Linux
virtual host machine on the Mac host. In my situation I have my Airbook
configured to access files from my home office Linux servers using NFS.

The point here is that you're using network technology to mount remote
file systems--even though both machines are in the same physical box.
The communication between your Mac and your VMware virtual machines is
using TCP/IP.

hth

Janina

Michael Marshall writes:

hey all,
yesterday i at last got open VM tools installed on ubuntu mate v 15 so i could 
hopefully share and mirror folders from the mac on my virtual machine.
even after installing open VM tools i could not find my shared folders, nor 
could i see anything in any of the folders i wanted to mirror between the two 
machines.
is there something that i'm doing wrong? the installation of open VM tools went 
exactly according to plan but that was as far as i got.
I find this incredibly irritating and i'm out of ideas.
i even tried this on the mane ubuntu distro without any luck.

thanks for any help

Michael

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Re: requesting help with linux and VM Fusion on mac.

2016-01-19 Thread 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries
Thanks, Chris. This is very helpful.

Using my ssh session into my mac, I do:

which nfsd

And, get the result:

/sbin/nfsd

Bingo. There is indeed a daemon for serving up the Mac's file systems
via nfs. I'm obliged to you! 

Janina


'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries writes:
> It's been a while since I did this but OSX has nfsd pre-installed and you
> only need to set it up. From my old notes I think I had to set up my exports
> file in /etc/exports (see man exports). I wanted to backup some mysql files
> from a Centos box to my mac so I had a drive on the Mac called Backup and
> just added
> 
> /Volumes/Backup -maproot=cblouch
> 
> cblouch was my username on both boxes. I then did an nfsd enable to start
> things up. From the linux side I did something like:
> 
> mount network_address_of_my_mac:/Volumes/Backup /root/backmount
> 
> where backmount was an existing folder in /root. To get rid of the mount I
> do umount backmount. After mounting I could then copy files at will from the
> Centos box to backmount and they would appear on the Backup drive on the Mac
> and vice versa.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 1/18/16 4:23 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
> >Your Mac uses netbios to share its folders. This is why it's relatively
> >easier to share your host's file system in a Windows VMware guest
> >machine--netbios is natively a Microsoft way of doing such things.
> >
> >You have two choices for access Mac hosted file systems under Linux
> >virtual machines:
> >
> >1.)  Install and configure Samba in order to get netbios services
> >under Linux. This is a common application, and apt-get on your Ubuntu
> >machine will know about Samba.
> >
> >2.)  Find, install and configure a NFS server on your Mac. NFS is the
> >preferred way to mount file systems hosted across a network under Linux,
> >and is easily configured on the Linux side of things. However, it's not
> >common on Mac to share using NFS.
> >
> >
> >PS: It's fairly easy to go the other way around with NFS. In other
> >words, it's fairly easy to read NFS exported file systems from a Linux
> >virtual host machine on the Mac host. In my situation I have my Airbook
> >configured to access files from my home office Linux servers using NFS.
> >
> >The point here is that you're using network technology to mount remote
> >file systems--even though both machines are in the same physical box.
> >The communication between your Mac and your VMware virtual machines is
> >using TCP/IP.
> >
> >hth
> >
> >Janina
> >
> >Michael Marshall writes:
> >>hey all,
> >>yesterday i at last got open VM tools installed on ubuntu mate v 15 so i 
> >>could hopefully share and mirror folders from the mac on my virtual machine.
> >>even after installing open VM tools i could not find my shared folders, nor 
> >>could i see anything in any of the folders i wanted to mirror between the 
> >>two machines.
> >>is there something that i'm doing wrong? the installation of open VM tools 
> >>went exactly according to plan but that was as far as i got.
> >>I find this incredibly irritating and i'm out of ideas.
> >>i even tried this on the mane ubuntu distro without any luck.
> >>
> >>thanks for any help
> >>
> >>Michael
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Re: How to stop automatic downloads of IOS updates?

2016-01-19 Thread Donna Goodin
Grant,

With all due respect, read the earlier messages in this thread.  The problem is 
that my friend's cellular provider is also his ISP.  He has a shared data pool 
for both wifi and cellular.  So theoretically, yes, he could run around the 
house every night turning wifi off on all his devices so that nothing ever 
downloaded, but that's a really dumb solution to a problem that wouldn't exist 
were Apple not trying to force people into something they didn't want to do.  
Actually, Sabahattin's article helped.  What my friend did do was block all 
Apple domains from his home IP.  It's a pretty radical solution that should not 
be necessary, but hopefully one that will work for him.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jan 19, 2016, at 8:25 PM, Grant  wrote:
> 
> I don't think iOS updates download over cellular networks, do they? I've 
> always been advised that I need to connect to Wi-Fi to download a new version 
> of iOS, even when I try to initiate the update myself. Therefore cellular 
> data usage should not be a problem. As well, once the update finishes 
> downloading it should show up under settings, general, storage and I cloud 
> usage where it can be deleted. Once it is removed, it should not re-download.
> 
> I hope this helps somewhat!
> 
> Grant
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 19, 2016, at 8:46 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Anne,
>> 
>> Thanks.  Unfortunately, the setting you're talking about only pertains to 
>> purchased content, not to IOS itself.  The problem that my friend is having 
>> is that his ISP is also his cell carrier, so whether he's on wifi or using 
>> cellular data, it all comes from the same pool, and he has a data cap.  
>> There are approx six i-devices and Macs in his household, so the auto 
>> download of the operating system is chewing through his data.  I'm sure that 
>> to all those happily living in Cupertino, this seems like a ridiculous 
>> problem, and it is.  But, there are a lot of people living in rural U.S.  
>> with less than desirable connectivity.  It really seems to me that Apple 
>> should make not downloading a new IOS an option.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jan 19, 2016, at 10:06 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Donna,
>>> 
>>> On my iPhone, in Settings/iTunes & Appstores, under the heading Automatic 
>>> Downloads, I have the following items turned off:
>>> Music, Apps, Books, Updates.
>>> I manage everything from my Mac and back up to my Mac.
>>> I had to restore my iPhone the other day as it was behaving erratically and 
>>> the process was really easy because everything was safely stored on my Mac.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
 On 19 Jan 2016, at 15:29, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hi Shawn,
 
 Yep, he knows that, but he's hoping for another solution. :) thanks, 
 though!
 Cheers,
 Donna 
 
> On Jan 19, 2016, at 8:26 AM, BBS  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna. There is no setting to stop iOS updates. However, if your 
> friend fills up his or her phone, there wouldn't be any room for the 
> updates to download.
> 
> 
> Shawn
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> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:56 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: How to stop automatic downloads of IOS updates?
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm actually posting this for a friend who lives in a rural area.  He has 
> lousy internet connectivity, and wants to stop automatic download of IOS 
> system updates.  anyone know of a way to do this?  The setting to disable 
> app downloads in iTunes?App Store settings only applies to purchased 
> apps, not to IOS upgrades. 
> thanks,
> Donna
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Re: remote access

2016-01-19 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
Ironically one of the things you can’t do from the command-line on OS X is to 
update OS X Server, because that’s now delivered from the Mac App Store.  There 
are also some things which are possible from the command-line, only by editing 
plist files, which means that for all practical purposes you will end up using 
the GUI.

So, sadly, it’s not quite as rosy as one might hope.  But hey, it’s still 
better than Windows! :)

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RE: remote access

2016-01-19 Thread Simon Fogarty
Hi Janina,

 Thanks for this, yes I had thought of this but I'm not sure that would work 
well in a trouble shooting or desktop support role where the machine most 
likely wont have SSH enabled, but for my own machines it's probably a good idea.
Thanks though I might have a play with this tomorrow at work.

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Subject: Re: remote access

Mine is probably not the answer you're wanting, but I bring it up for 
completeness. You should know that you can ssh into your Mac and do that way 
everything you can do from a Mac terminal prompt.

Clearly, that's not the same as getting a remote desktop, but it is very 
reliable and gives you the same kind of access many Apple engineers use.


Janina

Simon Fogarty writes:
> Hi List,
> 
>  I'm trying to find something to allow me to remotely admin my Mac machines, 
> but when I try with the built in remote tools in either Yosemite or elcapitan 
> voiceover doesn't give me any feedback via the remote connection.
> 
>  Does anyone know of a remote desktop tool that will allow for voiceover 
> usage I guess similar to that of windows with jaws?
> 
> Thanks for any help people can provide.
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How to stop automatic downloads of IOS updates?

2016-01-19 Thread Donna Goodin
Hi all,

I'm actually posting this for a friend who lives in a rural area.  He has lousy 
internet connectivity, and wants to stop automatic download of IOS system 
updates.  anyone know of a way to do this?  The setting to disable app 
downloads in iTunes?App Store settings only applies to purchased apps, not to 
IOS upgrades. 
thanks,
Donna

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Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-19 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hi,

I think "have to" isn’t the way too look at it. I mean, we didn’t have to 
abandon the 3.5 floppy, or the optical drive, or traditional hard disks. We 
didn’t have to abandon CRT monitors, and non USB connections for keyboards and 
mice. For either form or function, something better comes a long. People then 
adapt to that new thing. I don’t see why this is any different.

JMO.
> On Jan 18, 2016, at 8:49 AM, 'onlineeagle' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> None of that explains why they have to abandon the headphone jack. Your point 
> about the M4A encoding quality doesn't really address the issue, which is 
> that ITunes and Apple Music do not provide as good audio quality as other 
> providers. Surely, you are own guessing Apple's reasons for implimenting 
> this, just in the same way as I am. I am however prepared to accept that 
> there may be quite a lot of truth in what you've written my friend. I am 
> however able to take a seemingly more neutral and balanced approach to Apple. 
> I love their accessibility, but I do not appreciate the way they lock 
> customers into their products. I get the feeling that you might be an Apple 
> extremist, unable to find any fault with anything they do, advising people 
> not to speak up against their concerns. If their concerns are raised then at 
> least this helps Apple understand how their customers feel about their 
> productts, which is very valuable for any business. My Apple extremism 
> analogy seems further supported by your email signature. Apple is not a 
> religion; it is a business. There is no need to respond to critiques of said 
> business with suce emotive fervour.
> 
> Well I must say, this is out of character for me. I normally avoid 
> confrontations on email lists and forums, but I'm quite enjoying myself. Hope 
> you are too. 
> 
> .  ,
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 18 Jan 2016, at 12:09, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
>> Frankly,  I think you are looking for a reason to abandin Apple anyway.  
>> Sounds like it to me.  I know that audio can both be received by the 
>> lightning jack as well as send it out.  Furthermore, the lightning jack can 
>> render true 5.1 channel sound.  Can your precious 3.5 MM jack do that?  Of 
>> course it cannot.  As for file resolution.  YOu are wrong in stating that 
>> .m4a only goes up to 256KBPS.  I can code it as high as 320KBPS.  I'm not 
>> sure if you bothered to really pay attention to what I said but, Apple is 
>> soon going to role out true high resolution audio.  I'm quite certain they 
>> will have the adapters for older headphone models.  
>> !
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>> 
>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>> iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>> On Jan 18, 2016, at 5:45 AM, 'onlineeagle' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Does seem like a cynical money making scheme. There's no reason why they 
>>> can't have both options. All this means is that potentially people are 
>>> going to find there old headphones redundant. If Apple provide lightning to 
>>> headphone jack adapters then maybe this won't be so bad, but Apple are 
>>> pretty good at trying to corner their customers and force them into staying 
>>> Apple. You can only use ITunes  on iPhones and iPods, not android devices.  
>>> and IBooks can only be accessed on Apple devices. Whereas Kindle books can 
>>> be read on both Amazons own devices as well as iPhones and iPods. You can't 
>>> drag and drop files from your computer to your phone like you can with most 
>>> other phones. You can't get content out of your phone from other apps like 
>>> you can with other phones. As for audio quality: Apple music and ITunes 
>>> only go as high as 256 kbps. If they cared about audio quality then surely 
>>> this wouldn't be the case.  Spotify goes up to 320 kB per second, and 
>>> services like tidal have los less audio quality.
>>> 
>>> Finally, do we even know if a lightning to headphone jack would really be 
>>> possible? I do not want to be forced into buying proprietary headphones. If 
>>> this happens then I'll abandon Apple. I think it's important that people 
>>> let Apple know about their concerns. Maybe we should have done something 
>>> similar about their working conditions for their workers in China, but 
>>> that's another issue. Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 18 Jan 2016, at 11:17, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>>> 
 I would advise having nothing to do with this.  You are overlooking an 
 obvious benefit;  and it's not just more money for Apple:  rather it's 
 this.  The plain fact is that it's better to lose the headphone jack 
 because you can get much better audio out of the lightning connecter than 
 you can out of the 

Re: Having trouble reading a document with VO

2016-01-19 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hi,

Been using a Mac since 2008. Provided your interacting with the body of the 
text, I’ve never had this problem. So that leads me to ask, are you interacting 
with the text?

Thanks.
> On Jan 18, 2016, at 7:22 PM, denise avant  wrote:
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> I wonder if this issue has been pointed out to Apple. I consider this a major 
> downer for a screen reader. I haven’t seen anything like this for any other 
> screen reader I’ve used. This is not to say that every screen reader does not 
> have some issue. but this is basic.
> 
>> On Jan 18, 2016, at 8:30 AM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
>> 
>> For me also, every time I press vo+a, it starts reading from the beginning 
>> of the document which is just nonsense so I don't use this feature any more.
>>> On 18 Jan 2016, at 02:48, denise avant  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> I have some rather lengthy documents to review. I’m using text edit to read 
>>> these documents.
>>> So, if I am on page 3 of a document, and want to do a read from the cursor 
>>> to the end of the document, rather than starting where I have arrowed to, 
>>> VO starts reading several paragraphs back when I do VO-a.
>>> Initially, I thought this was an MS Word issue. But even when I switch to 
>>> text edit, the problem persists.
>>> Has anyone seen this issue? thanks.
>>> Is there a work around.
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Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-19 Thread Ricardo Walker
A couple reasons. The first being money. Why pay Apple to license airplay to 
put in your headphones, when you can just use bluetooth for wireless 
connectivity. Second is quality. I can tell you, I’ve had airplay drop far more 
than I’ve had bluetooth drop.

hth
> On Jan 18, 2016, at 5:12 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> One thing i am concerned about is why there’s not any airplay headphones 
> around yet?
> /A
>> On 18 Jan 2016, at 15:37, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
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>> I’m afraid I just can’t quite bring myself to be sufficiently moved.  I 
>> don’t like planned obsolescence or proprietary standards either, but I’m 
>> also in the market for a new pair of travel headphones, and I actually would 
>> love a digital path between my iPhone and my headset.  I was not among those 
>> poor souls hurt by the 30-pin to Lightning transition, because I was not 
>> quite so silly as to buy expensive equipment with that connector.  And, yes, 
>> electronic waste is a terrible, terrible thing, but I doubt Apple will fail 
>> to provide a transition for users of the 3.5-mm plug.  I know it’s painful, 
>> but we do need to move forward.
>> 
>> JMO.
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Re: Ad blocking extensions for OS X El Capitan

2016-01-19 Thread Jeffrey Shockley

Hi,
One I've been using for a while on both Windows and Mac is Adblock Plus from
https://adblockplus.org/
It seems to work well, and is easily configurable. It's been around for 
a few years now.

I hope this helps,
Jeffrey

On 1/19/2016 12:23 AM, Grant wrote:

Hi all,

I’m sure you all know that with iOS 9 and OS X El Capitan came new 
content blocking extensions.


With iOS, it is clearly stated that content blocking extensions are 
only filters and can’t send any information about what was blocked 
back to the app. However, with OS X I’m not sure what the situation 
is. There are lots of new ad blocking extensions that you can download 
from the Safari extensions gallery, some of which seem to include web 
components, toolbars, and the like.


Which ones have people found to be worthwhile? Is there any way to 
tell what data they can collect and what else they might be 
installing? Is there somewhere I can read up on how the new content 
blockers for OS X work and what they’re permitted to do?


Thanks so much,

Grant

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RE: How to stop automatic downloads of IOS updates?

2016-01-19 Thread BBS
Hi Donna. There is no setting to stop iOS updates. However, if your friend 
fills up his or her phone, there wouldn't be any room for the updates to 
download.


Shawn
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Subject: How to stop automatic downloads of IOS updates?

Hi all,

I'm actually posting this for a friend who lives in a rural area.  He has lousy 
internet connectivity, and wants to stop automatic download of IOS system 
updates.  anyone know of a way to do this?  The setting to disable app 
downloads in iTunes?App Store settings only applies to purchased apps, not to 
IOS upgrades. 
thanks,
Donna

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Re: help with podcasting

2016-01-19 Thread Phil Halton
Hands-down I suggest Amadeus pro. Although, and this is not a plug, I wouldn't 
try to figure it out without the good tutorials put out by Jonathan Mosen. The 
various audio and editing cursors, as well as a few other issues, will give you 
fits unless they are properly explained to you. I mean, why pull your hair out 
trying to figure something out when someone else has already gone bald for you. 
He has a tutorial reasonably priced that will get you up and running on this 
program in no time.
You can find his Amadeus pro tutorial at www.Mosen.orG

Sent from my IPhone


> On Jan 18, 2016, at 10:13 PM, Nektarios Mallas  wrote:
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> Hello there.
> I don’t know about audacity. 
> Garage band however is reasonably accessible for your purposes. 
> Another useful and accessible tool is amadeus pro. 
> This is a very powerful and accessible wave editor. Of course, this depends 
> on your specific needs. 
> You may also want to consider a mixer and a good quality microphone. 
> 
> Regards.
> Nektarios.
> 
>> On 18 Jan 2016, at 6:25 PM, Nicholas Abrahamson 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I am new to the world of podcasting.  I just startted a business and was 
>> hoping to put out some pdcasts for promotions and such.  Garage band and 
>> audasity were recommended online.  What are people’s favorite editing 
>> programmes for podcasts?  Which do people find the easiest to pick up and 
>> learn?  Wich software/apps do people find the best for recording podcasts?  
>> What equipment would people recommend for both podcasting and You-tube video 
>> making?  Thanks for all your help.
>> 
>> Peace,
>> Nick
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Re: How to stop automatic downloads of IOS updates?

2016-01-19 Thread Donna Goodin
Hi Shawn,

Yep, he knows that, but he's hoping for another solution. :) thanks, though!
Cheers,
Donna 

> On Jan 19, 2016, at 8:26 AM, BBS  wrote:
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> Hi Donna. There is no setting to stop iOS updates. However, if your friend 
> fills up his or her phone, there wouldn't be any room for the updates to 
> download.
> 
> 
> Shawn
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
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> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm actually posting this for a friend who lives in a rural area.  He has 
> lousy internet connectivity, and wants to stop automatic download of IOS 
> system updates.  anyone know of a way to do this?  The setting to disable app 
> downloads in iTunes?App Store settings only applies to purchased apps, not to 
> IOS upgrades. 
> thanks,
> Donna
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Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-19 Thread Scott Granados
Ah that’s the difference, you paid for it, I freaked the call.:)  From the Rock 
and Roll truck stop no less where each table had an AC outlet and a payphone.  
Ah good times.

Go 212 Metal Shop!

> On Jan 18, 2016, at 12:47 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Back in the day I actually paid good money to "The Source" plus long distance 
> to read news from the 84 Olympics at 300 BAUD. That and downloading 
> walkthroughs for Zork :)
> 
> CB
> 
> On 1/18/16 11:46 AM, E.T. wrote:
>> Not to overlook 300 baud. We are not in that much of a hurry are we these 
>> days? We can stand to sit and wait a week for a download. can we not?
>> 
>>   Its all in the name of progress. If its moving too fast, people can jump 
>> off at the next stop. There is always the next train.
>> 
>>   78s? There are those who probably swore at the invasion of LPs.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>> 
>> On 1/18/2016 8:37 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> So history rhymes a lot. Why would Apple go with that funky 3.5" disk
>>> when I already had boxes of 5 1/4" floppies. Dropping ADB for keyboards
>>> and mice to adopt the unknown USB means I had to get all new devices.
>>> What was so awful expensive about a CD drive that they had to leave it
>>> out of the newer machines? What were they thinking going with the little
>>> 3.5mm jack when my 1/4" quadrophonic Koss headphones are still good? In
>>> all these cases Apple just moved on before the consumers really knew
>>> where the trends were going. Wouldn't it be possible that IF Apple
>>> dropped the last bastion of analog I/O they might actually include
>>> headphones with the new fangled connector? For those with nice high-end
>>> headphones a little adaptation might be in line but years from now we'll
>>> look back and wonder what the big deal was. In the end it's all
>>> disposable, just happening sooner than some would like. Sure some niche
>>> or luddite realms linger, but Apple doesn't seem to care as much about
>>> those. Vacuum tubes and vinyl LPs anyone? Yes, those are fighting words
>>> in some camps :)
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>>> On 1/18/16 10:36 AM, E.T. wrote:
 Change is ever so very difficult yet change is exactly what brings us
 to this point in time. With change comes the task of breaking old
 obsolete habits and forming new ones.
 
   For example, look at the mad rush people make to trade in the last
 generation of iPhones even if it is perfectly functional, or stand in
 line overnight to get that new Apple TV.
 
   So Apple has very good reason for change. Its simple. People want
 change.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 Many believe that we have been visited
 in the past. What if it were true?
 
 On 1/18/2016 7:12 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
> Yes, the 3.5 m jack would go bye bye. You'd have to get new headphones,
> if this wind up being true which would have a lightning plug on the end,
> like your charger, instead of the rounded 3.5M plug.
> Chris.
> 
>- Original Message -
>*From:* Kawal Gucukoglu 
>*To:* Macvisionaries 
>*Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 10:01 AM
>*Subject:* Re: Apple's headphone scam
> 
>Please could someone tell me how headphones could fit in a
>lightening adaptor?  You mean there would be a different kind of
>thing to put in a socket?
> 
>I don’t understand this headphone lightening connector thing.  When
>I sell my I phones, I normally sell the headphones as well if they
>are still working by then.
> 
>Kawal. On 18 Jan 2016, at 14:37, Sabahattin Gucukoglu
>> wrote:
>> 
>>I’m afraid I just can’t quite bring myself to be sufficiently
>>moved.  I don’t like planned obsolescence or proprietary standards
>>either, but I’m also in the market for a new pair of travel
>>headphones, and I actually would love a digital path between my
>>iPhone and my headset.  I was not among those poor souls hurt by
>>the 30-pin to Lightning transition, because I was not quite so
>>silly as to buy expensive equipment with that connector. And,
>>yes, electronic waste is a terrible, terrible thing, but I doubt
>>Apple will fail to provide a transition for users of the 3.5-mm
>>plug.  I know it’s painful, but we do need to move forward.
>> 
>>JMO.
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Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-19 Thread Scott Granados
Nobody would care.:)

It’s not that big of a deal.  They will include a free set of cans with the new 
phones, people pair with bluetooth anyway and a very small subset would be 
upset but as long as an adapter exists which I’m sure one will then most will 
be happy.

I’m skeptical as to the gain of whether a digital hand off to headphones makes 
a difference in audio quality.
 
> On Jan 18, 2016, at 3:25 PM, Michael Marshall  
> wrote:
> 
> if this shockingly stupid decision is taken by apple do you think adapters 
> would become available?
> this would be a very stupid decision, think of the bad press is what i would 
> be screaming at them.
>> On 19 Jan 2016, at 5:17 AM, Jonathan Mosen > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone, while technology must advance, I'm troubled by replacing a 
>> universal standard with a proprietary connector, and would far rather see an 
>> industry-wide standard agreed upon, in the same way that USB C was adopted 
>> and is now being used by Apple on the new Macs.
>> This has been all over social media, but for those who haven't read it yet, 
>> here's my blog post on the accessibility ramifications of the removal of the 
>> headphone jack.
>> http://mosen.org/index.php/an-iphone-without-a-headphone-jack-the-accessibility-ramifications/
>>  
>> 
>> Jonathan Mosen
>> Mosen Consulting
>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>> http://Mosen.org 
>>> On 19/01/2016, at 6:47 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>>> > 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Back in the day I actually paid good money to "The Source" plus long 
>>> distance to read news from the 84 Olympics at 300 BAUD. That and 
>>> downloading walkthroughs for Zork :)
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>>> On 1/18/16 11:46 AM, E.T. wrote:
 Not to overlook 300 baud. We are not in that much of a hurry are we these 
 days? We can stand to sit and wait a week for a download. can we not?
 
   Its all in the name of progress. If its moving too fast, people can jump 
 off at the next stop. There is always the next train.
 
   78s? There are those who probably swore at the invasion of LPs.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
 Many believe that we have been visited
 in the past. What if it were true?
 
 On 1/18/2016 8:37 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> So history rhymes a lot. Why would Apple go with that funky 3.5" disk
> when I already had boxes of 5 1/4" floppies. Dropping ADB for keyboards
> and mice to adopt the unknown USB means I had to get all new devices.
> What was so awful expensive about a CD drive that they had to leave it
> out of the newer machines? What were they thinking going with the little
> 3.5mm jack when my 1/4" quadrophonic Koss headphones are still good? In
> all these cases Apple just moved on before the consumers really knew
> where the trends were going. Wouldn't it be possible that IF Apple
> dropped the last bastion of analog I/O they might actually include
> headphones with the new fangled connector? For those with nice high-end
> headphones a little adaptation might be in line but years from now we'll
> look back and wonder what the big deal was. In the end it's all
> disposable, just happening sooner than some would like. Sure some niche
> or luddite realms linger, but Apple doesn't seem to care as much about
> those. Vacuum tubes and vinyl LPs anyone? Yes, those are fighting words
> in some camps :)
> 
> CB
> 
> On 1/18/16 10:36 AM, E.T. wrote:
>> Change is ever so very difficult yet change is exactly what brings us
>> to this point in time. With change comes the task of breaking old
>> obsolete habits and forming new ones.
>> 
>>   For example, look at the mad rush people make to trade in the last
>> generation of iPhones even if it is perfectly functional, or stand in
>> line overnight to get that new Apple TV.
>> 
>>   So Apple has very good reason for change. Its simple. People want
>> change.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>> 
>> On 1/18/2016 7:12 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>>> Yes, the 3.5 m jack would go bye bye. You'd have to get new headphones,
>>> if this wind up being true which would have a lightning plug on the end,
>>> like your charger, instead of the rounded 3.5M plug.
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>>- Original Message -
>>>*From:* Kawal Gucukoglu >> 

Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-19 Thread Scott Granados
Actually, you can do more with a 3.5 MM jack than your thinking including 5.1.  
I have a DAT machine that uses the 3.5 inch jack format on the DAT side to 
provide SPDIF and there’s an adapter to the standard RCA type SPDIF connector.

You’re drinking the cool aid to much on the lightning cable, all the things you 
mentioned can be done with standard jacks or wireless profiles.  This is purely 
a space savings move to pack more in the package.

> On Jan 18, 2016, at 7:09 AM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> Frankly,  I think you are looking for a reason to abandin Apple anyway.  
> Sounds like it to me.  I know that audio can both be received by the 
> lightning jack as well as send it out.  Furthermore, the lightning jack can 
> render true 5.1 channel sound.  Can your precious 3.5 MM jack do that?  Of 
> course it cannot.  As for file resolution.  YOu are wrong in stating that 
> .m4a only goes up to 256KBPS.  I can code it as high as 320KBPS.  I'm not 
> sure if you bothered to really pay attention to what I said but, Apple is 
> soon going to role out true high resolution audio.  I'm quite certain they 
> will have the adapters for older headphone models.  
> !
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
> 
> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
> iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On Jan 18, 2016, at 5:45 AM, 'onlineeagle' via MacVisionaries 
>> > 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Does seem like a cynical money making scheme. There's no reason why they 
>> can't have both options. All this means is that potentially people are going 
>> to find there old headphones redundant. If Apple provide lightning to 
>> headphone jack adapters then maybe this won't be so bad, but Apple are 
>> pretty good at trying to corner their customers and force them into staying 
>> Apple. You can only use ITunes  on iPhones and iPods, not android devices.  
>> and IBooks can only be accessed on Apple devices. Whereas Kindle books can 
>> be read on both Amazons own devices as well as iPhones and iPods. You can't 
>> drag and drop files from your computer to your phone like you can with most 
>> other phones. You can't get content out of your phone from other apps like 
>> you can with other phones. As for audio quality: Apple music and ITunes only 
>> go as high as 256 kbps. If they cared about audio quality then surely this 
>> wouldn't be the case.  Spotify goes up to 320 kB per second, and services 
>> like tidal have los less audio quality.
>> 
>> Finally, do we even know if a lightning to headphone jack would really be 
>> possible? I do not want to be forced into buying proprietary headphones. If 
>> this happens then I'll abandon Apple. I think it's important that people let 
>> Apple know about their concerns. Maybe we should have done something similar 
>> about their working conditions for their workers in China, but that's 
>> another issue. Thanks.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 18 Jan 2016, at 11:17, Ray Foret Jr > > wrote:
>> 
>>> I would advise having nothing to do with this.  You are overlooking an 
>>> obvious benefit;  and it's not just more money for Apple:  rather it's 
>>> this.  The plain fact is that it's better to lose the headphone jack 
>>> because you can get much better audio out of the lightning connecter than 
>>> you can out of the 3.5MM jack.  With the use of the lightning connecter, 
>>> you can take advantage of the high resolution audio format which Apple is 
>>> said to be roling out soon.  Also, there are other advantages besides.  
>>> Don't fall for this emotional knee-jerk nonsense.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> !
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in
>>> 
>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>>> 
>>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>>> iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>>> 
 On Jan 18, 2016, at 4:54 AM, Terje Strømberg > wrote:
 
 Friends,
 
 If the rumours are true, the iPhone 7 will have a non-standard, 
 proprietary headphone jack -- meaning piles more cash for Apple and miles 
 more e-waste for the rest of us.
 
 Sign this petition to get Apple to stick to the standard headphone jack on 
 the iPhone: http://action.sumofus.org/a/iphone-headphone-jack/?sub=mtl 
 
 
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Re: Why do I want an Airport router?

2016-01-19 Thread Scott Granados
I would like to support these statements.  I find the wireless on the airport 
superior.  It’s not the fastest WiFi but it’s much much faster than any 
connections available to the home and it’s very stable.  Also propagates much 
farther than other routers.  It’s very simple, stable and just works.  Like 
Apple products do.

> On Jan 17, 2016, at 7:04 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> You want—no, need—Apple AirPort because Apple makes it and Apple products are 
> divine.
> 
> No, seriously, as usual with Apple you get what you pay for.  The throughput 
> has indeed been surpassed by competitors, as has the feature set.  But, 
> AirPort Extreme or Time Capsule will do exactly what you want, all day, every 
> day, without giving you any trouble at all.  That is why I use them.  Both 
> software quality and robustness are simply top-notch.
> 
> No, AirPort Extreme or Time Capsule don’t do AirPlay.  You need Apple TV or 
> AirPort Express for that.
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Re: some very good news for users of media human youtube to mp3 converter and VO

2016-01-19 Thread Jessica Moss
Oh cool, thanx for sharing this, I didn't know that even still worked.  The 
last few times I tried using it, it just sat there and didn't do a thing.
On Jan 17, 2016, at 7:15 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:

> That's awesome news!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 17, 2016, at 4:18 PM, Michael Marshall  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> hey all,
>> just wanted to let you know that with the latest update of media human's 
>> fantastic youtube to mp3 converter the program has become a lot more 
>> accessible with VO.
>> in stead of just saying unknown the main window now has options and a menu 
>> that you can now access.
>> Michael
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Re: How to stop automatic downloads of IOS updates?

2016-01-19 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello Donna,

On my iPhone, in Settings/iTunes & Appstores, under the heading Automatic 
Downloads, I have the following items turned off:
Music, Apps, Books, Updates.
I manage everything from my Mac and back up to my Mac.
I had to restore my iPhone the other day as it was behaving erratically and the 
process was really easy because everything was safely stored on my Mac.

Cheers,

Anne


> On 19 Jan 2016, at 15:29, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi Shawn,
> 
> Yep, he knows that, but he's hoping for another solution. :) thanks, though!
> Cheers,
> Donna 
> 
>> On Jan 19, 2016, at 8:26 AM, BBS  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna. There is no setting to stop iOS updates. However, if your friend 
>> fills up his or her phone, there wouldn't be any room for the updates to 
>> download.
>> 
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White MacBook
>> 
>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>> Skype Username: bbstheblindrapper
>> Facetime username: bbssh...@icloud.com
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:56 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: How to stop automatic downloads of IOS updates?
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I'm actually posting this for a friend who lives in a rural area.  He has 
>> lousy internet connectivity, and wants to stop automatic download of IOS 
>> system updates.  anyone know of a way to do this?  The setting to disable 
>> app downloads in iTunes?App Store settings only applies to purchased apps, 
>> not to IOS upgrades. 
>> thanks,
>> Donna
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Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-19 Thread Jessica Moss
Exactly, My family and I are all IPhone users, and all of them accept myself 
are sighted, and my dad and I have both had complaints at one point when IOS 6, 
I think it was, came out, that allowed maps to announce turn-by-turn 
directions, but it also had a lot of other issues, and he and I both had issues 
with it, and he had tons of complaints with the operating system itself and 
wasn't a voiceover user.
On Jan 18, 2016, at 8:49 AM, 'onlineeagle' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

> None of that explains why they have to abandon the headphone jack. Your point 
> about the M4A encoding quality doesn't really address the issue, which is 
> that ITunes and Apple Music do not provide as good audio quality as other 
> providers. Surely, you are own guessing Apple's reasons for implimenting 
> this, just in the same way as I am. I am however prepared to accept that 
> there may be quite a lot of truth in what you've written my friend. I am 
> however able to take a seemingly more neutral and balanced approach to Apple. 
> I love their accessibility, but I do not appreciate the way they lock 
> customers into their products. I get the feeling that you might be an Apple 
> extremist, unable to find any fault with anything they do, advising people 
> not to speak up against their concerns. If their concerns are raised then at 
> least this helps Apple understand how their customers feel about their 
> productts, which is very valuable for any business. My Apple extremism 
> analogy seems further supported by your email signature. Apple is not a 
> religion; it is a business. There is no need to respond to critiques of said 
> business with suce emotive fervour.
> 
> Well I must say, this is out of character for me. I normally avoid 
> confrontations on email lists and forums, but I'm quite enjoying myself. Hope 
> you are too. 
> 
> .  ,
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 18 Jan 2016, at 12:09, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
>> Frankly,  I think you are looking for a reason to abandin Apple anyway.  
>> Sounds like it to me.  I know that audio can both be received by the 
>> lightning jack as well as send it out.  Furthermore, the lightning jack can 
>> render true 5.1 channel sound.  Can your precious 3.5 MM jack do that?  Of 
>> course it cannot.  As for file resolution.  YOu are wrong in stating that 
>> .m4a only goes up to 256KBPS.  I can code it as high as 320KBPS.  I'm not 
>> sure if you bothered to really pay attention to what I said but, Apple is 
>> soon going to role out true high resolution audio.  I'm quite certain they 
>> will have the adapters for older headphone models.  
>> !
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>> 
>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>> iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>> On Jan 18, 2016, at 5:45 AM, 'onlineeagle' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Does seem like a cynical money making scheme. There's no reason why they 
>>> can't have both options. All this means is that potentially people are 
>>> going to find there old headphones redundant. If Apple provide lightning to 
>>> headphone jack adapters then maybe this won't be so bad, but Apple are 
>>> pretty good at trying to corner their customers and force them into staying 
>>> Apple. You can only use ITunes  on iPhones and iPods, not android devices.  
>>> and IBooks can only be accessed on Apple devices. Whereas Kindle books can 
>>> be read on both Amazons own devices as well as iPhones and iPods. You can't 
>>> drag and drop files from your computer to your phone like you can with most 
>>> other phones. You can't get content out of your phone from other apps like 
>>> you can with other phones. As for audio quality: Apple music and ITunes 
>>> only go as high as 256 kbps. If they cared about audio quality then surely 
>>> this wouldn't be the case.  Spotify goes up to 320 kB per second, and 
>>> services like tidal have los less audio quality.
>>> 
>>> Finally, do we even know if a lightning to headphone jack would really be 
>>> possible? I do not want to be forced into buying proprietary headphones. If 
>>> this happens then I'll abandon Apple. I think it's important that people 
>>> let Apple know about their concerns. Maybe we should have done something 
>>> similar about their working conditions for their workers in China, but 
>>> that's another issue. Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 18 Jan 2016, at 11:17, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>>> 
 I would advise having nothing to do with this.  You are overlooking an 
 obvious benefit;  and it's not just more money for Apple:  rather it's 
 this.  The plain fact is that it's better to lose the headphone jack 
 because you can get much better audio out of the lightning connecter than 
 

Re: Why do I want an Airport router?

2016-01-19 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
Well of course, if the router is right next to the TV anyway, then an Apple TV 
actually isn’t a bad fit at all.  But your speakers need to be up to the task 
if you are going to get much enjoyment out of them.

AirPort Express is a network audio receiver that can also be a router.  Apple 
TV is a network video receiver, downloader, and other such things, but is not a 
router.  You plug them into your existing equipment, and gain networked 
audio/video (usually wireless) streaming from whatever your iOS or Mac device 
can see or hear.  That is the essential (but not complete) gist of it.  Think 
of them as network alternatives to the wireless cordless products that have 
been around for a while now, only better because they can run over wire as well 
as wireless.  Worse, if you consider Apple’s AirPlay lock-in.  Now that my 
bedroom has been hijacked by my brother again, I’m back on the wireless 
headphones, but AirPort Express made a lot of sense for me.

Time Capsule is not in the same league as other NAS products, in terms of 
feature set or data protection (just one disk) and is intended mostly for 
backup.  It’s a lot nicer, though.  Experiences of other blind folk with these 
NAS products appears to indicate that they are not as accessible as they could 
be.  Time Capsule is of course completely accessible.  There are other people 
on here with experiences to relate about NASs.  If you want a NAS that is 
completely accessible, you also have the option of building one for yourself.

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Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-19 Thread Jessica Moss
Ok, I'm really confused here, how exactly is this supposed to work here?  is 
this secondary adapter we carry around with the headphones themselves, or a 
whole different set of headphones we have to purchase?
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> Friends,
> 
> If the rumours are true, the iPhone 7 will have a non-standard, proprietary 
> headphone jack -- meaning piles more cash for Apple and miles more e-waste 
> for the rest of us.
> 
> Sign this petition to get Apple to stick to the standard headphone jack on 
> the iPhone: http://action.sumofus.org/a/iphone-headphone-jack/?sub=mtl
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Re: Why do I want an Airport router?

2016-01-19 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
By building a NAS, I meant either getting or building a computer and running 
Linux on it, or turning a Mac Mini into a NAS using external drives, or 
whatever.  It would be home-grown and not a NAS product.

If it is acceptable that your data be on one disk, then by all means grab the 
Extreme or Time Capsule (the latter has the slight advantage of an internal 
drive, which it can optionally clone to an external one on request).  Sounds 
like it’s just the thing for you, just as it was for me when I was looking for 
one. :)

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Re: importing audiobooks into iTunes

2016-01-19 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
For various reasons, I leave my CD audiobooks in my Music library.  I don’t 
mind too terribly.

The biggest reason that putting CD rips into the Audiobooks folder doesn’t work 
is that iTunes is not so great at supporting any book bigger than one track.  
In particular, iTunes plays alphabetically by name all tracks, irrespective of 
the books from which they came.  So you could listen to Track01 of book 1, and 
then Track01 of book 2.  If you want these books in your Audiobooks folder, you 
will have to join tracks together first, or manually enter sort data in each 
track to prevent that from happening—an arduous and annoying task.  I don’t 
want to ruin my rips, though, so I simply leave them in their respective albums 
in Music.  Bonus: iTunes Match works with them.  Use Get Info, as Andrew 
described, to ensure Audiobook tracks remember position, do not get played when 
shuffling, and you really can’t tell the difference.

If you insist on making working, bookmarkable audiobooks with chapters and 
everything, use a tool like AudioBook Builder.  Take your rips, and bundle them 
up together in M4B files.  Now, drop them in iTunes, and suddenly, you have 
Audiobooks that are properly supported, just like Audible.  Wicked.

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Re: How to stop automatic downloads of IOS updates?

2016-01-19 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hi Donna,

I’m not sure there is a way to stop it all together. If its a poor cellular 
connectivity issue more than wifi/home broadband, your friend should try going 
into settings/cellular, and turning settings off. I believe this will prevent 
the update from being downloaded via cellular data at any rate.

hth.
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> Hi all,
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> I'm actually posting this for a friend who lives in a rural area.  He has 
> lousy internet connectivity, and wants to stop automatic download of IOS 
> system updates.  anyone know of a way to do this?  The setting to disable app 
> downloads in iTunes?App Store settings only applies to purchased apps, not to 
> IOS upgrades. 
> thanks,
> Donna
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Re: How to stop automatic downloads of IOS updates?

2016-01-19 Thread Donna Goodin
Hi Anne,

Thanks.  Unfortunately, the setting you're talking about only pertains to 
purchased content, not to IOS itself.  The problem that my friend is having is 
that his ISP is also his cell carrier, so whether he's on wifi or using 
cellular data, it all comes from the same pool, and he has a data cap.  There 
are approx six i-devices and Macs in his household, so the auto download of the 
operating system is chewing through his data.  I'm sure that to all those 
happily living in Cupertino, this seems like a ridiculous problem, and it is.  
But, there are a lot of people living in rural U.S.  with less than desirable 
connectivity.  It really seems to me that Apple should make not downloading a 
new IOS an option.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jan 19, 2016, at 10:06 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Donna,
> 
> On my iPhone, in Settings/iTunes & Appstores, under the heading Automatic 
> Downloads, I have the following items turned off:
> Music, Apps, Books, Updates.
> I manage everything from my Mac and back up to my Mac.
> I had to restore my iPhone the other day as it was behaving erratically and 
> the process was really easy because everything was safely stored on my Mac.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
>> On 19 Jan 2016, at 15:29, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Shawn,
>> 
>> Yep, he knows that, but he's hoping for another solution. :) thanks, though!
>> Cheers,
>> Donna 
>> 
>>> On Jan 19, 2016, at 8:26 AM, BBS  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna. There is no setting to stop iOS updates. However, if your friend 
>>> fills up his or her phone, there wouldn't be any room for the updates to 
>>> download.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent From My White MacBook
>>> 
>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>>> Skype Username: bbstheblindrapper
>>> Facetime username: bbssh...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
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>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:56 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: How to stop automatic downloads of IOS updates?
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I'm actually posting this for a friend who lives in a rural area.  He has 
>>> lousy internet connectivity, and wants to stop automatic download of IOS 
>>> system updates.  anyone know of a way to do this?  The setting to disable 
>>> app downloads in iTunes?App Store settings only applies to purchased apps, 
>>> not to IOS upgrades. 
>>> thanks,
>>> Donna
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Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-19 Thread E.T.
   Heh yes I remember that one. Well, that may be one way to "collect" 
feedback.


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On 1/19/2016 8:45 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

I wouldn’t go that far, the leak what they want to create buzz as well.  Many 
of the rumors are dead on and you should weight the sources by their previous 
accuracy.

Also, sometimes you even have apple leaving devices in bars, oops.:)


On Jan 19, 2016, at 11:37 AM, E.T.  wrote:

   Its anybody's guess until September. Until then, its nothing  but 
speculation. Apple, as well as any other company, is not in the habit of 
releasing information ahead of product release to market. To do so is suicide.

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On 1/19/2016 8:24 AM, Jessica Moss wrote:

Ok, I'm really confused here, how exactly is this supposed to work here?  is 
this secondary adapter we carry around with the headphones themselves, or a 
whole different set of headphones we have to purchase?
On Jan 18, 2016, at 5:54 AM, Terje Strømberg  wrote:


Friends,

If the rumours are true, the iPhone 7 will have a non-standard, proprietary 
headphone jack -- meaning piles more cash for Apple and miles more e-waste for 
the rest of us.

Sign this petition to get Apple to stick to the standard headphone jack on the 
iPhone: http://action.sumofus.org/a/iphone-headphone-jack/?sub=mtl

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Re: importing audiobooks into iTunes

2016-01-19 Thread E.T.

Sabahattin,
   Really? Is this some sort of method that keeps the iBooks sector and 
Audible in business? (tongue in cheek)


   Well I think I will get the AudioBook Builder app, its only $5 and 
see how it all works out.


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AudioBook Builder.


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Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-19 Thread E.T.
   Its anybody's guess until September. Until then, its nothing  but 
speculation. Apple, as well as any other company, is not in the habit of 
releasing information ahead of product release to market. To do so is 
suicide.


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Ok, I'm really confused here, how exactly is this supposed to work here?  is 
this secondary adapter we carry around with the headphones themselves, or a 
whole different set of headphones we have to purchase?
On Jan 18, 2016, at 5:54 AM, Terje Strømberg  wrote:


Friends,

If the rumours are true, the iPhone 7 will have a non-standard, proprietary 
headphone jack -- meaning piles more cash for Apple and miles more e-waste for 
the rest of us.

Sign this petition to get Apple to stick to the standard headphone jack on the 
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Re: Apple's headphone scam

2016-01-19 Thread Scott Granados
I wouldn’t go that far, the leak what they want to create buzz as well.  Many 
of the rumors are dead on and you should weight the sources by their previous 
accuracy.

Also, sometimes you even have apple leaving devices in bars, oops.:)

> On Jan 19, 2016, at 11:37 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Its anybody's guess until September. Until then, its nothing  but 
> speculation. Apple, as well as any other company, is not in the habit of 
> releasing information ahead of product release to market. To do so is suicide.
> 
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> On 1/19/2016 8:24 AM, Jessica Moss wrote:
>> Ok, I'm really confused here, how exactly is this supposed to work here?  is 
>> this secondary adapter we carry around with the headphones themselves, or a 
>> whole different set of headphones we have to purchase?
>> On Jan 18, 2016, at 5:54 AM, Terje Strømberg  wrote:
>> 
>>> Friends,
>>> 
>>> If the rumours are true, the iPhone 7 will have a non-standard, proprietary 
>>> headphone jack -- meaning piles more cash for Apple and miles more e-waste 
>>> for the rest of us.
>>> 
>>> Sign this petition to get Apple to stick to the standard headphone jack on 
>>> the iPhone: http://action.sumofus.org/a/iphone-headphone-jack/?sub=mtl
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Re: importing audiobooks into iTunes

2016-01-19 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
On 19 Jan 2016, at 17:00, E.T.  wrote:
>   Really? Is this some sort of method that keeps the iBooks sector and 
> Audible in business? (tongue in cheek)

Doubtful, although it was revealed by reverse-engineering of the Audible 
Enhanced format that it is, in fact, an encrypted M4B file (basically an AAC 
file with bookmarks embedded in it).  I’d pay money for a tool that would 
losslessly decrypt Audible files into their M4B equivalents.  More if it also 
handled FairPlay videos.  More still if it resulted in the decimation of the 
legal straw men that keep this nonsense alive and well.

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Re: Having trouble reading a document with VO

2016-01-19 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
I am inclined to think of this as a bug though.  If you move the cursor and VO 
is tracking the cursor, then VO should interact as necessary to follow the 
cursor.  Yes?  Merely putting up with it, or becoming mechanically inclined to 
work around it, is a bit silly.

Tell Apple, as usual.  That is how bugs get fixed.  Eventually.  After a very, 
very, very long wait.

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