[maemo-developers] Re: Flash player 9
Someone know if flash player 7 will be available for Nokia 770? I really miss youtube :). A good news come from swfdec, now they have freedesktop support http://swfdec.freedesktop.org/wiki/ a new maintainer work on it and latest version adds initial video playback support http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/swfdec/2007-January/26.html 2006/10/19, Malix [EMAIL PROTECTED]: As announced on Adobe Flash release manager blog http://weblogs.macromedia.com/emmy/ Flash 9 for Linux is here. You think that this can be used under Maemo? Before now Flash was a big pain and I had a lot of crash with older versions on Linux, but now I think that Adobe is seriously considering Linux as big OS player. Under Maemo I have a lot of browser crash that, may be erroneously, attribute to flash player, so using the new Flash player 9 may resolve those problems. What do you think? ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] bora/INSTALL.txt - maemo-explicit: Depends: libosso-abook-dev but it is not going to be installed
Hello maemo developers, I'm trying to install Maemo on a RHEL4 PC and am following http://repository.maemo.org/stable/bora/INSTALL.txt but unfortunately I am stuck at this step (more details below): [sbox-SDK_X86: ~] fakeroot apt-get install maemo-explicit Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that the package is simply not installable and a bug report against that package should be filed. The following information may help to resolve the situation: The following packages have unmet dependencies: maemo-explicit: Depends: libosso-abook-dev but it is not going to be installed E: Broken packages Does anybody please have an idea what's wrong here? Thank you Alex More details below I'm trying to install Maemo at a RHEL4 PC by following the instructions at http://repository.maemo.org/stable/bora/INSTALL.txt I've unpacked these files under /scratchbox: 49932823 Jan 9 12:31 scratchbox-core-1.0.7-i386.tar.gz 9385873 Jan 9 12:31 scratchbox-devkit-cputransp-1.0.1-i386.tar.gz 5055791 Jan 9 12:31 scratchbox-devkit-debian-1.0.6-i386.tar.gz 98063806 Jan 9 12:31 scratchbox-devkit-doctools-1.0.5-i386.tar.gz 970158 Jan 9 12:31 scratchbox-devkit-perl-1.0.4-i386.tar.gz 14395788 Jan 9 12:31 scratchbox-libs-1.0.7-i386.tar.gz 49751041 Jan 12 11:29 scratchbox-toolchain-cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm-1.0.5-i386.tar.gz 47935438 Jan 12 11:31 scratchbox-toolchain-cs2005q3.2-glibc-i386-1.0.5-i386.tar.gz 4361391 Nov 30 18:31 scratchbox-toolchain-host-gcc-1.0.7-i386.tar.gz and put 3 additional files under /scratchbox/packages: 5205685 Jan 17 14:29 maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries_3.0.sh 58767080 Jan 17 14:29 maemo-sdk-rootstrap_3.0_armel.tgz 57803478 Jan 17 14:29 maemo-sdk-rootstrap_3.0_i386.tgz Then I've run run_me_first.sh (selected non-sudo) and added myself (afarber) using sbin/sbox_adduser. Inside the scratchbox I've run maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries_3.0.sh and have got these files in my scratchbox home dir: [sbox-SDK_X86: ~] ll maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries_3.0/ total 44 drwxr-xr-x 4 afarber nmpbo 4096 Jan 7 13:40 . drwxr-xr-x 3 afarber root 4096 Jan 17 14:35 .. -rwxr-xr-x 1 afarber nmpbo 20421 Jan 7 13:40 LICENSE drwxr-xr-x 3 afarber nmpbo 4096 Jan 7 13:40 dists drwxr-xr-x 2 afarber nmpbo 12288 Jan 7 13:40 pool After that I've added SDK_ARMEL and SDK_X86 targets using sb-conf exactly as in the bora/INSTALL.txt. Then I've selected the SDK_X86 target, set the http_proxy env. var. to our corporate web proxy server and appended a line to the /etc/apt/sources.list: [sbox-SDK_X86: ~] cat /etc/apt/sources.list deb http://repository.maemo.org/ bora free non-free extras deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ bora free non-free extras deb file:/home/afarber/maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries_3.0 bora explicit [sbox-SDK_X86: ~] apt-get update Hit http://repository.maemo.org bora/free Packages Hit http://repository.maemo.org bora/free Release Hit http://repository.maemo.org bora/non-free Packages Hit http://repository.maemo.org bora/non-free Release Hit http://repository.maemo.org bora/extras Packages Hit http://repository.maemo.org bora/extras Release Hit http://repository.maemo.org bora/free Sources Hit http://repository.maemo.org bora/free Release Hit http://repository.maemo.org bora/non-free Sources Ign http://repository.maemo.org bora/non-free Release Hit http://repository.maemo.org bora/extras Sources Ign http://repository.maemo.org bora/extras Release Reading Package Lists... Done The next command from the bora/INSTALL.txt wants to remove 43 packages and I enter yes there: [sbox-SDK_X86: ~] fakeroot apt-get -f install Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done Correcting dependencies... Done The following extra packages will be installed: busybox netbase The following packages will be REMOVED: evolution-data-server-dev hildon-base-lib-dev hildon-control-panel-dev hildon-fm-dev hildon-home-dev hildon-lgpl-dev hildon-libs-dev hildon-navigator-dev hildon-status-bar-lib-dev ifupdown lessertunjo-dev libart-2.0-dev libatk1.0-dev libcst-dev libdbus-1-dev libdbus-glib-1-dev libebook-dev libedata-book-dev libedataserver-dev libfarsight0.1-dev libgalago-dev libgconf2-dev libglade2-dev libglib2.0-dev libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-dev libgstreamer0.10-dev libgtk2.0-dev libgwobex-dev libloudmouth1-dev libmatchbox-dev libosso-dev libosso-gnomevfs2-dev libosso-gsf-1-dev libosso-help-dev libossomime-dev libpango1.0-dev maemo-games-startup-dev net-tools osso-af-base-dev osso-gwconnect-dev osso-ic-dev osso-thumbnail-dev sharutils The following NEW packages will be installed: busybox netbase 0 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 43 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need
[maemo-developers] Maemo 3.0 bora installer updated
Hello, We have updated and improved the maemo 3.0 'bora' installer script to better support some installation related issues. The new version is available from the same location: http://repository.maemo.org/stable/bora/maemo-sdk-install_3.0.sh NEW OPTIONS -p URI Specify http_proxy for scratchbox user (default no proxy) -s PATH Specify Scratchbox installation path (default /scratchbox). -a FILE Specify alternative sources.list file for both targets. CHANGES - Option '-s PATH' is now correctly passed to the Nokia binaries installer. This makes it possible to use Scratchbox in an alternative location than the default /scratchbox. - Fixed the problem with tr command options (maemo.org bugzilla ID #945) This caused problems in some ubuntu releases. - Supports setting http proxy parameter to targets. Now the script sets the http_proxy value set at command line to user's .bashrc . Running apt-get update inside the newly installed targets now works for those who need the proxy settings. - Supports scratchbox user group other than 'sbox'. - Option '-a FILE' allows to set alternative sources.list which is copied to both targets. Happy hacking! -M ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] N800 / Python 2.5 / pygame performance regression
Python 2.5 with pygame is very choppy on my N800, compared to my 770 running the old Python 2.4 version. Here's a quick test application: http://dscottbrown.com/etc/animtest2.zip Tap the screen repeatedly to scroll the image. The difference is especially jarring if you set your 770 next to your N800, and tap both at once. Any ideas on this? Scott ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] Python 2.5 in 770
Has anybody tried maemo-python 2.5 in 770? I've tried to get the packages but Application Manager fails with them!! Thanks in advance, -- J. Manrique López de la Fuente http://www.jsmanrique.net msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] Gtkmm for Bora?
Hi! Is there going to be Gtkmm packages for bora available from extras or somewhere anytime soon? Or do we just use/rebuild the Mistral ones from extras (I don't see packages for later releases either...)? -- Kalle Vahlman, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Powered by http://movial.fi Interesting stuff at http://syslog.movial.fi ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] starting python application without building package
Hallo erverybody, i would like to try my application on the device without building a package. So i create a .desktop file with EXEC=/home/user/Python/timetracker.py an a .service file with the same link. By clicking the entry in the navigationbar i get a info banner with...timetracker will be load... but nothing more. 1. Is there a mistake in the EXEC command? 2. In xterm i use the run-standalone command to start the application in front of the theme. Is it possible to use this command in the .desktop file? br Mathias ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Gtkmm for Bora?
On Fri, 2007-01-19 at 13:37 +0200, Kalle Vahlman wrote: Hi! Is there going to be Gtkmm packages for bora available from extras or somewhere anytime soon? Actually, I am uploading them right now. Give it another 30 minutes and it should be done. Or do we just use/rebuild the Mistral ones from extras (I don't see packages for later releases either...)? -- Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: [maemo-developers] starting python application without buildingpackage
Hi, you do not need to have the service file for such simple testing. Just make sure to point the Exec to the application and then set the StartupWMClass to the window name (helps to keep it alive). Posting the full contents of the .desktop file also helps finding the problem;) --jakub Hallo erverybody, i would like to try my application on the device without building a package. So i create a .desktop file with EXEC=/home/user/Python/timetracker.py an a .service file with the same link. By clicking the entry in the navigationbar i get a info banner with...timetracker will be load... but nothing more. 1. Is there a mistake in the EXEC command? 2. In xterm i use the run-standalone command to start the application in front of the theme. Is it possible to use this command in the .desktop file? br Mathias ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Python 2.5 in 770
Thanks it seems that libpang dissapears after removing python 2.4. 2007/1/19, Malix [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I installed it Tuesday without problem, but I have had to remove python 2.4 before installing 2.5 Massimo 2007/1/19, Jose Manrique Lopez de la Fuente [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Has anybody tried maemo-python 2.5 in 770? I've tried to get the packages but Application Manager fails with them!! Thanks in advance, -- J. Manrique López de la Fuente http://www.jsmanrique.net msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -- J. Manrique López de la Fuente http://www.jsmanrique.net msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] starting python application without building package
2007/1/19, Mathias Uebelacker [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2. In xterm i use the run-standalone command to start the application in front of the theme. Is it possible to use this command in the .desktop file? You don't need it there, since all it does is set up the environment and when maemo-af-desktop launches programs they already have the correct environment. This is true to launching in xterm launched from maemo-af-desktop btw. And looks like there is a source /etc/osso-af-init/af-defines.sh line in /etc/profile (on the N800) so even ssh shells don't need it. -- Kalle Vahlman, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Powered by http://movial.fi Interesting stuff at http://syslog.movial.fi ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Python for Maemo -- new version released
On 1/19/07, Jose Manrique Lopez de la Fuente [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, After removing python 2.4, libpang problem has disappeared! I have now: python2.5 2.5.0-1osso6 This package has a bug with the module traceback (missing). Are you sure that you have added the *scirocco* or *bora* repository? I think that the 1osso6 package is in *mistral* repository. Thanks, Osvaldo -- Osvaldo Santana Neto (aCiDBaSe) http://www.pythonologia.org ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Gtkmm for Bora?
2007/1/19, Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Fri, 2007-01-19 at 13:37 +0200, Kalle Vahlman wrote: Hi! Is there going to be Gtkmm packages for bora available from extras or somewhere anytime soon? Actually, I am uploading them right now. Give it another 30 minutes and it should be done. Well, there was no hurry, but thanks anyway ;) -- Kalle Vahlman, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Powered by http://movial.fi Interesting stuff at http://syslog.movial.fi ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Mailing list weirdness (was Re: [maemo-developers] Python for Maemo -- new version released)
On Friday 19 January 2007 12:46, Osvaldo Santana wrote: On 1/18/07, Igor Tkach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I get this error on 770 with python2.5-runtime installed from the repository. Can you send me the result of command below? dpkg -l | grep python2.5 I notice that this message references a message from Igor Tkach written on Thursday (18th). I did not see any mailing list messages (including the one Osvaldo apparently saw) between lunch time Wednesday and mid-morning today (Friday). Normally I would put this down to an email glitch on my system but there is nothing in the archive (http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-January/date.html) during this time either. The archive goes straight from http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-January/007259.html at Wed Jan 17 13:39:15 EET 2007 to http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-January/007260.html at Fri Jan 19 11:37:48 EET 2007. Did anyone else receive anything between those times? Or was it just me and the archive who missed stuff? Graham ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Mailing list weirdness (was Re: [maemo-developers] Python for Maemo -- new version released)
On Fri, Jan 19, 2007 at 01:30:40PM +, Graham Cobb wrote: On Friday 19 January 2007 12:46, Osvaldo Santana wrote: On 1/18/07, Igor Tkach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I get this error on 770 with python2.5-runtime installed from the repository. Can you send me the result of command below? dpkg -l | grep python2.5 I notice that this message references a message from Igor Tkach written on Thursday (18th). I did not see any mailing list messages (including the one Osvaldo apparently saw) between lunch time Wednesday and mid-morning today (Friday). Same here. Normally I would put this down to an email glitch on my system but there is nothing in the archive (http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-January/date.html) during this time either. The archive goes straight from http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-January/007259.html at Wed Jan 17 13:39:15 EET 2007 to http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-January/007260.html at Fri Jan 19 11:37:48 EET 2007. Did anyone else receive anything between those times? Or was it just me and the archive who missed stuff? Not just you. Marius Gedminas -- Well, there's a quantum computer that can factor 15, so those of you using 4-bit RSA should worry. -- Bruce Schneier signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: Mailing list weirdness (was Re: [maemo-developers] Python forMaemo -- new version released)
Did anyone else receive anything between those times? Or was it just me and the archive who missed stuff? Not just you. Hi there, I believe Quim blogged that the mailing list has been broken for a while. That could be the reason. Have a nice weekend! --jakub ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] New logical game for 770 and OpenTTD port
Hi all, I have made new logical game specially for 770. Here is description: Toggle Game is a simple logical game written by me (Jakub Travnik).You have toggles which switch between red and green color. There are also connections between toggles. When you click on toggle it changes color and also directly connected toggles change their color from redto green or back. Goal is to change them all to green. It is available here: http://dastych.sh.cvut.cz/~jtra/stuff/maemo/togglegame.html The game is written in Python and GTK. It was tested by few people so far. It probably works on N800 too, but I do not really know. It is available under GNU GPL v2. New level files can be easily created with xfig vector editor. Send me a note if you have problems with it. There is also my OpenTTD port for OS 2006: http://dastych.sh.cvut.cz/~jtra/stuff/maemo/openttd.html (this requires files from original game) Best regards, Jakub Travnik ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] gtk+-2.0 uninstallable
Saifa Saifa wrote: With new maemo3.0 libgtk2.0+-dev is not installable with apt-get. When I tried to apt-get install libgtk+-2.0 it shows the unmet dependencies libglib2.0-dev. It is looking for pkg-config package which is installed by osso-af-settings and pkg-config version is 0.15.0 which is latest. Your installation is not complete and missing packages for scratchbox provided build tools. I recommend that you install which takes care of this problem. http://repository.maemo.org/stable/bora/maemo-sdk-install_3.0.sh From install instructions http://repository.maemo.org/stable/bora/INSTALL.txt ... Install Scratchbox provided virtual packages In addition to compilers, scratchbox provides a set of build tools such as make and autoconf. Compared to earlier releases, these build tools have been removed from maemo 3.0 'bora' release and are no longer provided with the rootstraps. ... Janne -- Janne Kataja, Movial Corporation Porkkalankatu 13 J, FI-00180 Helsinki Mobile +358 40 550 9801, Tel +358 9 8567 6400 Fax +358 9 8567 6401 www.movial.fi ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Aw: RE: [maemo-developers] starting python application without buildingpackage
Hallo Jakub, i am on the highway leading south so i could not connect to maemo.org, so can you send me the correct StartupWMClass command? br Mathias - Ursprüngliche Mitteilung - Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: [EMAIL PROTECTED], maemo-developers@maemo.org Gesendet: Fr., 19. Jan. 2007 13:27:22 CET Betreff: RE: [maemo-developers] starting python application without buildingpackage Hi, you do not need to have the service file for such simple testing. Just make sure to point the Exec to the application and then set the StartupWMClass to the window name (helps to keep it alive). Posting the full contents of the .desktop file also helps finding the problem;) --jakub Hallo erverybody, i would like to try my application on the device without building a package. So i create a .desktop file with EXEC=/home/user/Python/timetracker.py an a .service file with the same link. By clicking the entry in the navigationbar i get a info banner with...timetracker will be load... but nothing more. 1. Is there a mistake in the EXEC command? 2. In xterm i use the run-standalone command to start the application in front of the theme. Is it possible to use this command in the .desktop file? br Mathias ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] vorbis and musepack support roadmap ?
hi, Jorge Salamero Sanz wrote: hi all, are next releases (770 and 800) going to support vorbis and musepack ? https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mogg/ this is a killer feature still missing ... Thats why gstreamer is used. New codecs can be installed and applications can use them. Simillar packages can be made by the community for other formats, like e.g. for modplug or for the musepack format you mentioned. Stefan ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] OS X Flasher for the N800?
When, or is, an OS X Flash utility going to be made available for the N800? And will it be made available Universal rather than just PPC? I realize that this device has only been out for two weeks, and that the OS X flasher was probably a labor of love by an employee at Nokia. But I suspect building the OS X flasher is little more than a recompile of the linux version, and there are a LOT of MacOS X users, like myself, who badly need it. Last: is there a reason the flasher utility isn't open source? [or am I being brain-damaged here, and it already is?] Sean ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Python 2.5 in 770
On 1/19/07, Jose Manrique Lopez de la Fuente [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anybody tried maemo-python 2.5 in 770? I've tried to get the packages but Application Manager fails with them!! Thanks in advance, I had a few issues with getting python2.4 in and getting it out cleanly to install python2.5. What I had to do was do an 'apt-get remove python2.*' from the xterm command line to clear out all the python stuff and then python2.5 installed fine from the Application Manager. Of course now all the python apps depend on python2.4 and not just python in general so I can't install any of them until the packages get updated. So I can't really tell you if it is working OK or not. Do you know of any app that uses 2.5 yet? /Mike ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] OS X Flasher for the N800?
On Fri, 2007-01-19 at 11:08 -0500, Sean Luke wrote: Last: is there a reason the flasher utility isn't open source? [or am I being brain-damaged here, and it already is?] Nokia, as per usual, has nothing to say about this but the speculation is that the flashing protocol is used by their mobile phones as well and hence they do not want that out there...of course it may already be, knowing how well these kind of secrets are often kept. There is a 'usbtest' kernel module in the initfs that I suspect implements the device-side part of this protocol. I think it is loaded for a few seconds at startup, probably before pivoting to the rootfs...hence the reason you have to restart the device to flash it. After the rootfs loads the g_file_storage gadget driver is used for USB connections. It would be nice if there was some way to flash the device from a memory card, like the Zaurus does. No need for proprietary binaries to upgrade what was sold as an open source, or Linux-powered at any rate, device. Sean ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] StartupWMClass
Hello, can someone send me the correct def. an params to use the StartupWMClass in a .desktop file. regards Mathias ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] Questions aftering flashing n800...where is opera?
There seem to be numerous applications for maemo and I can't figure out how/where to easily load them. I'm not too familiar with maemo repositories/syntax or debian commands (used mostly rpm from redhat). All that is present after flashing is xterm, gnu helloworld and some other app which escapes me at the moment. 1. Shouldn't Application Manager allow me to download original applications that came with device? (opera, etc.). How do I go about at least adding Opera and GoogleTalk application. Do I need to build these in sdk and deploy to device or can I do direct download? What are targets I need to specify or url of docs for this? 2. If there are no applications (to speak of) after flashing...why is there Messenger icon on desktop with many menuitems and no apps hooked up to it...is this part of core ui hildon framework? 3. Is the ApplicationManager just gui around apt-get? 4. Why is there no mention of root password for n800. I couldn't use apt-get due to not being root and got warning message about same. Is the intent that developers only be root on sdk machine where they build apps for deploy to device? And that on device you should just use Application Manager? I think Nokia dev docs are missing section after flashing on root/user accounts and passwords. I found in older maemo2 docs the concept of these 2 user accounts. 5. Upon visiting Maemo garage repository and wanting to download some apps...they all seem to have different install instructions and in some case no instructions...downloading binary directly to browser. Is the scheme as follows? If they state is available as DEB package then just use ApplicationManager to install from file after downloading to deviceotherwise if they give repository fields then fill in using ApplicationManager? * *Applet CPU/Mem/Screenshot applet* o Status: Works fine o How to install: from repository [WWW] http://repository.maemo.org/extras with Application Manager Take the above example (applet cpu). It says to use ApplicationManager to install applet...yet I never saw this app as download option even before I flashed N800. Trying to add above url to ApplicationManager manually fails during update with no message shown. It seems many application in garage don't fully specify repository fields correctly for inclusion in Application Manager. Some don't list certain fields, etc. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Questions aftering flashing n800...where is opera?
On 1/19/07, Mike Klein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There seem to be numerous applications for maemo and I can't figure out how/where to easily load them. I'm not too familiar with maemo repositories/syntax or debian commands (used mostly rpm from redhat). All that is present after flashing is xterm, gnu helloworld and some other app which escapes me at the moment. 1. Shouldn't Application Manager allow me to download original applications that came with device? (opera, etc.). How do I go about at least adding Opera and GoogleTalk application. Do I need to build these in sdk and deploy to device or can I do direct download? What are targets I need to specify or url of docs for this? Opera and GoogleTalk are included in the firmware that you flash. They do not have to be installed separately and the Application Manager gives no option to remove them. To see more applications to install, you need to add more Application Catalogues. Search through maemo.org for some examples. Some places to start: http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationCatalog2006 http://maemo.org/maemowiki/OS2007_Tested_Applications 2. If there are no applications (to speak of) after flashing...why is there Messenger icon on desktop with many menuitems and no apps hooked up to it...is this part of core ui hildon framework? Some apps are included in the core firmware that you flash. 3. Is the ApplicationManager just gui around apt-get? Pretty much. It simplifies things and hides all the useful (but scary) error output. 4. Why is there no mention of root password for n800. I couldn't use apt-get due to not being root and got warning message about same. Is the intent that developers only be root on sdk machine where they build apps for deploy to device? And that on device you should just use Application Manager? I think Nokia dev docs are missing section after flashing on root/user accounts and passwords. I found in older maemo2 docs the concept of these 2 user accounts. The root account is not accessed in the traditional way. Installing the becomeroot package and then typing 'sudo gainroot' in the xterm will get you there though. There is a way by using the flasher to enable RD mode and then manually enabling the root account but the gainroot package is way easier ... provided it works on the n800. 5. Upon visiting Maemo garage repository and wanting to download some apps...they all seem to have different install instructions and in some case no instructions...downloading binary directly to browser. Is the scheme as follows? If they state is available as DEB package then just use ApplicationManager to install from file after downloading to deviceotherwise if they give repository fields then fill in using ApplicationManager? Downloading and Opening the deb file usually works provided there are no uninstalled debs that it depends on. Installing from an Application Catalogue will resolve all those dependencies for you. If I understand correctly, there is another format that is a hybrid of the two. The .install format will set up the proper Catalogue for you and install the app and its dependencies. If the .install is available for bora, use that one. Some catalogues to try are here: http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationRepositories Enjoy your new gadget. /Mike ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Questions aftering flashing n800...where is opera?
See my responses inline below... Michael Wiktowy wrote: On 1/19/07, Mike Klein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There seem to be numerous applications for maemo and I can't figure out how/where to easily load them. I'm not too familiar with maemo repositories/syntax or debian commands (used mostly rpm from redhat). All that is present after flashing is xterm, gnu helloworld and some other app which escapes me at the moment. 1. Shouldn't Application Manager allow me to download original applications that came with device? (opera, etc.). How do I go about at least adding Opera and GoogleTalk application. Do I need to build these in sdk and deploy to device or can I do direct download? What are targets I need to specify or url of docs for this? Opera and GoogleTalk are included in the firmware that you flash. They do not have to be installed separately and the Application Manager gives no option to remove them. To see more applications to install, you need to add more Application Catalogues. Search through maemo.org for some examples. They are? Where are they then? After flash'g I only see Xterm, HelloWorld and Maemo Pad. Control panel is filled with 'applets' and that's it. Some places to start: http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationCatalog2006 http://maemo.org/maemowiki/OS2007_Tested_Applications So in general I can install mistral and have compatiblity with bora? 2. If there are no applications (to speak of) after flashing...why is there Messenger icon on desktop with many menuitems and no apps hooked up to it...is this part of core ui hildon framework? Some apps are included in the core firmware that you flash. Nothing is included with developer firmware that provides apps for this menu though. I didn't flash end-user image but developer image. 3. Is the ApplicationManager just gui around apt-get? Pretty much. It simplifies things and hides all the useful (but scary) error output. 4. Why is there no mention of root password for n800. I couldn't use apt-get due to not being root and got warning message about same. Is the intent that developers only be root on sdk machine where they build apps for deploy to device? And that on device you should just use Application Manager? I think Nokia dev docs are missing section after flashing on root/user accounts and passwords. I found in older maemo2 docs the concept of these 2 user accounts. The root account is not accessed in the traditional way. Installing the becomeroot package and then typing 'sudo gainroot' in the xterm will get you there though. There is a way by using the flasher to enable RD mode and then manually enabling the root account but the gainroot package is way easier ... provided it works on the n800. thanks for info 5. Upon visiting Maemo garage repository and wanting to download some apps...they all seem to have different install instructions and in some case no instructions...downloading binary directly to browser. Is the scheme as follows? If they state is available as DEB package then just use ApplicationManager to install from file after downloading to deviceotherwise if they give repository fields then fill in using ApplicationManager? Downloading and Opening the deb file usually works provided there are no uninstalled debs that it depends on. Installing from an Application Catalogue will resolve all those dependencies for you. If I understand correctly, there is another format that is a hybrid of the two. The .install format will set up the proper Catalogue for you and install the app and its dependencies. If the .install is available for bora, use that one. Some catalogues to try are here: http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationRepositories Only problem with this method of downloading is I only have minimo right now...more stable opera I can't find. Enjoy your new gadget. Can do! Enjoying my PP3 too! /Mike ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Questions aftering flashing n800...where is opera?
On 1/19/07, Mike Klein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some places to start: http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationCatalog2006 http://maemo.org/maemowiki/OS2007_Tested_Applications So in general I can install mistral and have compatiblity with bora? The word seems to be that some mistral/scirroco apps can run without modification/recompiling on the n800/bora. Some that make assumptions about the underlying hardware don't however. 2. If there are no applications (to speak of) after flashing...why is there Messenger icon on desktop with many menuitems and no apps hooked up to it...is this part of core ui hildon framework? Some apps are included in the core firmware that you flash. Nothing is included with developer firmware that provides apps for this menu though. I didn't flash end-user image but developer image. Are you installing a development platform on a desktop? Sorry, I misunderstood ... I thought that you were flashing your device. I think the developer image only includes the open source stuff and not the proprietary bits. /Mike ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Questions aftering flashing n800...where is opera?
I have installed SDK (scratchbox and devroots) on my linux laptop. N800 had devfs flashed to it. I understand how to build apps on laptop and push/exec on N800but I'm still at a loss as to how to get Opera back on device (and some other apps present on N800 from factory). I would think Opera would be available either from SDK or via pkg install using ApplicationManager on device. Just because I want dev-oriented device...doesn't mean I want all apps to be missing. I have read ALL N800-related docs I am aware of...and haven't found this information. I have examined app repositories and don't see Opera anywhere. Minimo ain't cutting it for me at the moment...a skosh crashy. mike Michael Wiktowy wrote: On 1/19/07, Mike Klein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some places to start: http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationCatalog2006 http://maemo.org/maemowiki/OS2007_Tested_Applications So in general I can install mistral and have compatiblity with bora? The word seems to be that some mistral/scirroco apps can run without modification/recompiling on the n800/bora. Some that make assumptions about the underlying hardware don't however. 2. If there are no applications (to speak of) after flashing...why is there Messenger icon on desktop with many menuitems and no apps hooked up to it...is this part of core ui hildon framework? Some apps are included in the core firmware that you flash. Nothing is included with developer firmware that provides apps for this menu though. I didn't flash end-user image but developer image. Are you installing a development platform on a desktop? Sorry, I misunderstood ... I thought that you were flashing your device. I think the developer image only includes the open source stuff and not the proprietary bits. /Mike ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] SDHC Flash Support...
All, Any motion on SDHC Flash Support? I hope it is on someone's radar someplace. -- John P. Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Questions aftering flashing n800...where is opera?
On 1/19/07, Mike Klein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] I would think Opera would be available either from SDK or via pkg install using ApplicationManager on device. Just because I want dev-oriented device...doesn't mean I want all apps to be missing. The developer rootfs is of very little use to normal developers. The end-user image probably features enough for you to develop with: * Third party software can be installed (including your own compiled in Scratchbox) * Xterm can be installed. * SSH can be installed. I'd therefore suggest you reflash with the end-user/consumer/product image available from Nokia. HTH, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Questions aftering flashing n800...where is opera?
Thanks for info. For my own benefit and for others on forums... Can I still use SDK to build/test/deploy apps without developer rootfs? What features specifically do I get with developer rootfs...low level kernel control? I plan on doing application development and not kernel development. So developer rootfs is really for kernel developers? I was under impression (at least for usb networkingcpu transp?) that I needed this if I wanted to use SDK. thanks again... mike Andrew Flegg wrote: On 1/19/07, Mike Klein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] I would think Opera would be available either from SDK or via pkg install using ApplicationManager on device. Just because I want dev-oriented device...doesn't mean I want all apps to be missing. The developer rootfs is of very little use to normal developers. The end-user image probably features enough for you to develop with: * Third party software can be installed (including your own compiled in Scratchbox) * Xterm can be installed. * SSH can be installed. I'd therefore suggest you reflash with the end-user/consumer/product image available from Nokia. HTH, Andrew ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] Suggesting applications: Revelation - password manager Pan - NNTP client
Hello, I will like to suggest two of the subjected applications for porting packaging for Maemo. I'll be glad if any of you find it worth it for 770 N800. Please review: 1. Revelation - A Gnome/GTK based password manager http://oss.codepoet.no/revelation/ 2. Pan - A NNTP client /newsgroup reader http://pan.rebelbase.com/ Cheers, Kevin ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] Can Epiphany-browser be ported to Maemo ?
Out of curiosity, I will love to know if Epiphany can be ported to Maemo platform for Nokia 770 N800 devices. I certainly don't wanna miss my favorite browser on N800. http://www.gnome.org/projects/epiphany/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
