Re: [Marxism] Careers as Marxist intellectuals

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Well, Mark, Horkheimer may not have been writing about himself but
instead about revolutionaries and the revolutionary road in general.
In either case, the quote itself is a memorable one and one I was
reminded of over and over while recently reading Susan Weissman's fine
2001 bio of Victor Serge. In our times, the anti-Stalinist Serge
helped to mark a line of march for Barry Sheppard and his writings,
for Lou and many others on this list (including you, too, Mark), and
for Marxmail itself. ~Howard Beeth, no stranger to the classroom & the
street

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> This is the same Max Horkheimer who took professorial wages and
> administrative salaries at various institutions from Frankfort University
> to Columbia and the School for Social Research, right?
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 8:17 PM, Louis Proyect  wrote:
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>>
>> "a revolutionary career does not lead to banquets and honorary titles,
>> interesting research and professorial wages. It leads to misery,
>> disgrace,
>> ingratitude, prison and a voyage into the unknown, illuminated by only an
>> almost superhuman belief."
>>
>> --Max Horkheimer
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Re: [Marxism] Trotsky’s Pursuer Finds a Pursuer to Call His Own

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About the reflexive slap at Cuba in the pentultimate paragraph of this
review, a friend wrote to me what many readers on this List know--"I can
think of any number of countries in US controlled Latin America where a
writer lives in fear of being murdered, not just put on trial."


>
> By ALVARO ENRIGUE
> THE MAN WHO LOVED DOGS
> By Leonardo Padura
> Translated by Anna Kushner
> 576 pages. Farrar, Straus and Giroux. $35.
>
> I don’t know if all this self-incrimination is part of the novel because
> Mr. Padura wants to make the point that in Cuba, writing is an activity
> fraught with fear, or because it is the involuntary reflex of someone who
> has awaited the day of his own political trial. In any case, it stands as a
> clear register of the author’s circumstance: Cuba may be the last place in
> the Americas where being a writer means living in terror.
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Re: [Marxism] Drugs, Diamonds, International Intrigue — You Won't Believe Two Hollywood Producers' Crazy Backstory | Features | Los Angeles | Los Angeles News and Events | LA Weekly

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Good pick!

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>> Which Hollywod actor would be best cast as Barnes?
>>
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> Bela Lugosi.
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Re: [Marxism] Drugs, Diamonds, International Intrigue — You Won't Believe Two Hollywood Producers' Crazy Backstory | Features | Los Angeles | Los Angeles News and Events | LA Weekly

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This reads like a sleazy Elmore Leonard novel. Speaking of which, why
not do a low budget film based on some aspect or another of the SWP?
Which Hollywod actor would be best cast as Barnes?

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Re: [Marxism] Red and Black

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A good review, which we'd expect from Nelson George--but a book about
women authored by a woman "written in workmanlike prose"--OUCH!

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> NY Sunday Times Book Review September 20, 2013
> Red and Black
> By NELSON GEORGE
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> HARLEM NOCTURNE
> Women Artists and Progressive Politics During World War II
> By Farah Jasmine Griffin
> Illustrated. 242 pp. Basic Civitas. $26.99.
>
> In the national consciousness, Harlem has usually been defined by two
> eras: the artistic and cultural explosion of the 1920s, known as the
> Harlem Renaissance, and the drug-fueled devastation that began in the
> 1950s and peaked in the late ’80s. The Harlem Renaissance has been well
> documented by its poets, novelists and essayists, as well as by a legion
> of scholars in the decades since. The long, depressing ghetto years were
> recounted most eloquently by James Baldwin, and by lesser mortals like
> sociologists, memoirists, politicians, Hollywood screenwriters and
> rappers. Today’s whiter Harlem of multimillion-­dollar brownstones and
> flashy eateries is already the subject of books, blogs and innumerable
> magazine travel articles.
>
> In her book “Harlem Nocturne: Women Artists and Progressive Politics
> During World War II,” Farah Jasmine Griffin, a professor at Columbia
> University, delves into a largely underexplored aspect of Harlem’s rich
> history: the years just before, during and immediately after World War
> II, a period of optimism, creativity and turmoil. Moreover, Griffin uses
> the lives of three female artists — the choreographer and dancer Pearl
> Primus, the writer Ann Petry and the composer and pianist Mary Lou
> Williams — as signposts through an era, in a work that paints the
> “greatest generation” in a much less flattering light than do the usual
> jingoistic accounts.
>
> Griffin’s narrative encompasses the war and the second great migration
> of blacks to the North from the South. She also highlights two movements
> that will be less familiar to contemporary readers: the Double V, or
> Double Victory, campaign, in which “black Americans fought . . .
> overseas for their country but also to be recognized as citizens at
> home”; and the Popular Front initiative, conceived by the Communist
> Party in response to “the economic crisis of the Great Depression and
> the rise of fascism.”
>
> “For black people,” Griffin writes of Double V, “the war provided an
> opportunity to accelerate their demands for equality. . . . Black
> Americans highlighted the distance between this ideal of America and the
> reality of ongoing racial inequality, often through the black press and
> civil rights organizations.”
>
> The Popular Front, meanwhile, “focused on culture as an especially
> important forum for educating and mobilizing audiences in support of an
> antifascist agenda.” Although by 1939 its official end had come, the
> idea of it “would continue throughout the war years. Without Popular
> Front venues like Café Society, or publications such as PM, a leftist
> newspaper, it is doubtful that Petry, Primus and Williams could have met
> with such success.”
>
> Griffin argues that her three main subjects “consistently confronted the
> darkness of our nation’s soul. They were critical of white supremacy and
> the excess of American capitalism. Yet, their art and their activism
> also denoted a firm belief in the transformative nature of social change.”
>
> None of these women were native New Yorkers. Primus was born in Trinidad
> and, as a child, relocated with her family to the city, where she was
> exposed to Afro-Caribbean dance, the innovations of Martha Graham and
> the sweaty swing style popular at the Savoy Ballroom.
>
> As an adult, Primus fused these movements with her own impressive
> physicality. Her ability to leap majestically high made her popular, and
> John Martin, the New York Times dance critic, praised her “tremendous
> inward power,” “fine dramatic sense” and “superb technique.” Of the
> three women in Griffin’s narrative, Primus was the most progressive
> politically, joining the Communist Party when it was still one of the
> few organized white movements to challenge Jim Crow and the violence
> that fed it. The F.B.I. opened a file on her in 1944.
>
> Petry was never a Communist but was published in Popular Front
> periodicals and served as “women’s editor,” columnist and features
> editor at the Harlem newspaper The People’s Voice, a left-leaning
> enterprise published by Adam Clayton Powell, the pastor and New York
> City councilm

Re: [Marxism] Union Square protests

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A smallish protest of perhaps 30 people that looked like it was organized
by the RCP made the local TV news in Houston tonight.

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> My wife and I were down in Union Square this afternoon to pick up some
> cheap wine at Trader Joe's when a sizable protest was taking place against
> the Zimmerman verdict--4 to 500 people, mostly Black. Greg Grandin just
> reported on FB that it has swelled to 1000. I urge New Yorkers to turn out.
> Let's keep the pressure on.
>
> Here's a slide show of the protest, on the NYT home page no less:
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/**07/15/us/george-zimmerman-**
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[Marxism] Fwd:

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Re: [Marxism] Bolivia, Nicaragua and Venezuela all offer Snowden asylum

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I'll query him when he returns from California tomorrow.

On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 7:17 PM,  wrote:

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> The fact is that Snowden can reach Venezuela as long as he has a visa for
> it. He still has physical custody of his US passport, and thus can travel
> on
>  that unless he hits a country who will honor the US revocation of it. Ask
> your  brother about  how he can get to Venezuela since he might have some
> info on  that. I think Venezuela can take a visa to him at the airport,
> and he
> can get on  an airline flight. Randy
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> In a message dated 7/8/2013 9:38:32 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> gulfm...@gmail.com writes:
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> Why  can't such nations prepare papers making Snowden an "honorary
>  citizen"
> &/or papers granting him immediate assylum, deliver them  directly to him
> in
> the Moscow airport, and walk with him to a waiting plane  to carry him to
> the receiving nation? This will require a novel procedure  for sure, but a
> legally not unreasonable one to deal with a novel  situation.
>
> On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 6:41 AM, Wythe Holt jr.   wrote:
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> >  Such chances "grow" only in the number of nations willing to say they
> will
> > grant him asylum.  But no nation has said they would grant  such asylum
> if
> > Snowden cannot reach their territory first, and no  nation has allowed,
> much
> > less invited, Snowden to cross "their"  airspace to reach a place of
> asylum.
> >
> >
> >  
> > From:
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> >  NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden has now been offered asylum in three
> >  American countries: Bolivia, Nicaragua, and Venezuela.
> >
> >  http://wlcentral.org/node/2846
> >
> > --
> > “Disobedience, in  the eyes of anyone who has read history, is humanity’s
> > original  virtue. It is through disobedience that progress has been made,
> >  through disobedience and through rebellion.” — Oscar Wilde, Soul of  Man
> > Under Socialism
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Re: [Marxism] Bolivia, Nicaragua and Venezuela all offer Snowden asylum

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Why can't such nations prepare papers making Snowden an "honorary citizen"
&/or papers granting him immediate assylum, deliver them directly to him in
the Moscow airport, and walk with him to a waiting plane to carry him to
the receiving nation? This will require a novel procedure for sure, but a
legally not unreasonable one to deal with a novel situation.

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> Such chances "grow" only in the number of nations willing to say they will
> grant him asylum.  But no nation has said they would grant such asylum if
> Snowden cannot reach their territory first, and no nation has allowed, much
> less invited, Snowden to cross "their" airspace to reach a place of asylum.
>
>
> 
> From: 
> marxism-bounces+wholt=law.ua@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu[marxism-bounces+wholt=
> law.ua@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu] on behalf of Stuart Munckton [
> stuartmunck...@gmail.com]
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> NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden has now been offered asylum in three
> American countries: Bolivia, Nicaragua, and Venezuela.
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> http://wlcentral.org/node/2846
>
> --
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> original virtue. It is through disobedience that progress has been made,
> through disobedience and through rebellion.” — Oscar Wilde, Soul of Man
> Under Socialism
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> dummy?” — Jarvis Cocker
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Re: [Marxism] Los Angeles Review of Books - "Behind The Candelabra" And The Queerness Of Liberace

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Notwithstanding O'Brien's negative assessment of Liberace's politics,
visually he was an out-of-the-closet icebreaker for gays, despite his
off-the-stage politics. So: no freedom fighter for sure, but...

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> I saw this film for free - and my impressions are:
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> 1) don't waste your time viewing it
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Re: [Marxism] Hard Hats, Hippies, and the Real Antiwar Movement - The Chronicle Review - The Chronicle of Higher Education

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Many thanks. ~Gulfmann

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Re: [Marxism] Hard Hats, Hippies, and the Real Antiwar Movement - The Chronicle Review - The Chronicle of Higher Education

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This is behind a pay wall.

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Re: [Marxism] Dirty Wars

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JSOC (plus Green Berets, Rangers, Seal Teams, etc.) = SS. All composed of
delusional, psychopathic, sociopathic stalkers and killers. All composed of
volunteer troops who are of course in denial about this and who are more
consciously motivated by thrills, machoism, and patriotism. All witting or
unwitting loyal enforcers for the corporatist capitalist/imperialist Ruling
Class criminal mob.

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> I'll be writing a review on this closer to the release date but just want
> to say at this point that it is the best antiwar film I have seen since
> 2003. It has the political edge of Michael Moore at his best with something
> of the tension of one of the Bourne films.
>
> Look out for it when it arrives at your local theater...
>
> DIRTY WARS
>
> You are invited to an advanced screening of Dirty Wars a film by
> investigative journalist and national security correspondent at The Nation
> and author of the international bestseller Blackwater: The Rise of the
> Worlds Most Powerful Mercenary Army Jeremy Scahill  and director Richard
> Rowley. Opens in theaters Jun 7.
>
> trailer: http://dirtywars.org/trailer
>
> Richard Rowley and Jeremy Scahill deliver this summers political thriller
> exposing Obama's counterterrorism measures in the Middle East.   in Dirty
> Wars Rowley takes us on a chilling ride with investigative reporter Jeremy
> Scahill as he traces the rise of the Joint Special Operations Command
> (JSOC), the most secret and elite fighting force in U.S. history, exposing
> covert operations carried out by men who do not exist on paper and will
> never appear before Congress. No target is off-limits for the JSOC “kill
> list,” even if the person is a U.S. citizen.
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Re: [Marxism] Assad's backers on the left are ignoring reality

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In a conflict between Ruling Class dictators and religious fundamentalists,
both of which have the blood of progressives/Leftists on their hands, my
position tends toward neutrality. Fie on both their houses. Let them
continue to slaughter one another. When my enemies fight, I wish them both
well.

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> I claim there is a similarity between reporting of events in Syria and past
> reporting about Iraq, Panama, Nicaragua, Yugoslavia, Libya, etc..  It seems
> to me that Assad is being singled out in the way Hussein, Noriega, Ortega,
> Qaddafi, and Milosevic were.  What followed in the past was US or Nato
> bombardment, the devastation of the respective countries, with ordinary
> people taking the heaviest toll, etc., the privatization of what had
> previously been socialized, and etc.  I am asking for clarification: What
> makes some so certain this isn't another instance of that pattern?
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> > I don't know how you think  there is "an intense zeroing in on “human
> > rights” violations." by the MSM in Syria. There has just been a very
> brutal
> > massacre of 1000-1500 Syria's around Banias between May-2-5 and hardly a
> > word about it was said on the MSM.
> >
> > If they wanted to built a war fever around Syria all they would have to
> do
> > is report what is really happening on the human rights front, no babies
> in
> > incubators needed, but they don't. The true extent of the humanitarian
> > situation is being hidden by the MSM. The question is why and what does
> > that do to your thesis.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 10:01 PM, Lester Schonbrun  > >wrote:
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> > > Two Thoughts on Syria.
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> > > 1. The media coverage of Syria is strikingly similar to coverage of
> Iraq
> > > before our “leaders” invaded that country, similar to Chile before the
> > CIA
> > > sponsored the coup and murder of Allende, similar to Panama before we
> > > bombed them, ditto Libya, and I could name many more.  In those cases,
> > > there was an intense zeroing in on “human rights” violations.  That
> focus
> > > was a precursor to US aggression.  How is this different?
> > >
> > > 2. Why do we save characterizations like “bloodthirsty” for leaders of
> > > other countries, when our leaders have shed more blood than all others
> > > combined?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Michael Karadjis  > > >wrote:
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> > > > - Original Message - From: Shane Mage
> > > >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Assad's Western defenders either don't mention Israel at all when
> > >they
> > > >> list the countries they think are waging "war on Syria" (and >hope
> > > no-one
> > > >> notices the omission); or, even worse, they add Israel to >their
> list
> > > >> despite the evidence (and hope no-one notices).
> > > >>
> > > >> A very odd reaction to the Israeli aggressions! It could be said
> > > >> accurately the Israel is waging war
> > > >>
> > > > directly, the West economically, the Arab dictatorships by proxy as
> > well
> > > > as ideologically. None of which, of course, justifies a smidgen of
> > > support
> > > > for Assad!
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > > If you mean actual war on Syria, then exactly, Israel is the only
> state
> > > > that has actually waged war, with these latest bombings, and in any
> > case
> > > > with the 46 year occupation sovereign Syrian territory in the Golan,
> it
> > > is
> > > > in a state of war.
> > > >
> > > > But the post was not talking about war on Syria, but about the "war
> on
> > > > Syria," ie, leftist code for the 99% indigenous Syrian uprising
> (quite
> > > > separate is the issue of the proportion of this uprising that is
> still
> > > > democratic v the proportion th

Re: [Marxism] This list, (was To V. C.)

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Happy May Day Lou, and keep your chin up. You and this list are an
important Internet resource, and that includes your commentary. As Ken and
others have already written, the circulation and impact of Marxmail goes
far beyond those who subscribe to it. Every day I forward multiple items to
some or all of the 20+ people in my mini-network, including 3 who worked
with you here in Houston. Although I know you would rather walk on hot
coals for eternity, if you ever ventured back to Houston, you wouldn't have
to pay for lodging. You and Les deserve more than a medal, and have the
respect and admiration of many. ~Gulfmann

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Re: [Marxism] Israelis shocked by racist football chants

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On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Angelus Novus  wrote:

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> Dennis Brasky wrote:
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> > Zionism shares with Nazism a drive to remove an unwanted human
> population.
>
>
Angelus Nouvs replied:


> There's nothing wrong with pointing out the inherent brutality of the
> Zionist project, but there *is* something wrong with the implied assumption
> that it's some unique quality only shared with Nazism.
>
> I add:
>
Correct I think, Angelus Nouvs. The same thing happened, mas o menos, in
the USA when blacks, having been excluded from many major league sports
decades earlier, were invited by some franchise owners to desegregate them
some decades later. I'm surprised that some of these athletes, like Jackie
Robinson, weren't murdered by racist whites back in the day. Of course, in
the years following blacks (and whites and others who supported them) were
killed by racist whites when they tried to desegregate the rest of society
(schools, neighborhoods, jobs, etc.). Look further back in our national
history at slavery in the USA or the Jim Crowism that followed it. In fact,
the Nazis sent at least one team to the USA in the 1930s precisely to study
how the rulers and their managers managed the "race problem" in the USA.
Nazism had no monopoly on violent, murderous, state-sanctioned racism. We
won't even mention the history of Native Americans, Hispanics, Asians,
etc., in the country. ~Howard Beeth


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Re: [Marxism] Atheism & Humanism as Bourgeois Ideology

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Bones--This is an audio only, which I'm not gonna listen to. However, if
you click on the link, you'll find there is listed a second audio about a
Hungarian novelist.~H/

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>  Ralph Dumaon on the atheist/humanist/skeptics movements in the US:
> http://www.thinktwiceradio.com/dumain/dumain.html  Ralph summarizes the
> contents of his podcast as follows: "I propose a framework in which the
> intellectual basis of the atheist - humanist - skeptical movement,
> particularly in the USA, can be seen as a progressive bourgeois ideology
> that, while marking an historical advance beyond pre-modern,
> pre-industrial, pre-technological, pre-capitalist, supernaturally based
> forms of unreason, addresses only one half of the cognitive sources of
> irrationality of the modern world, and is ill-equipped to grapple with the
> secular forms of unreason, which can be denoted by the term "ideology". I
> argue that the Anglo-American intellectual heritage of atheism has never
> absorbed the indispensable heritage of German philosophy and social theory
> from Hegel to Marx to 20th century critical theory and thus remains
> philosophically underdeveloped and ensconced in a naive scientism. I
> furthermore argue that American atheism/humanism lacks adequate historical
> perspective due to the historical amnesia induced by the two historical
> breaks of McCarthyism and Reaganism. To combat historical amnesia I
> highlight not only relevant intellectual history but the buried history of
> working class atheism. I also sketch out some relevant philosophical
> aspects of the history of the American humanist movement beginning with the
> first Humanist Manifesto of 1933. I then discuss the intellectual
> consequences of the political repression of the McCarthy era. From there I
> discuss two prominent influences of the 1960s and 1970s, atheist Madalyn
> Murray O'Hair and humanist Paul Kurtz. I highlight Kurtz's dialogue with
> the Yugoslav Marxist-Humanist philosophers and his failure to learn from
> the encounter. Finally, I discuss the intellectual shortcomings of the
> so-called "new atheism" and today's celebrity atheists in the context of
> the depressing political perspective of our reactionary neoliberal era. I
> also don't spare the dissidents within the movement from my accusations of
> intellectual superficiality. I end on a note of bleak pessimism. "
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Re: [Marxism] Anti-WikiLeaks campaign undermines anti-rape campaigns

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or play with him, set an example of him to other potential whistleblowers,
jangle his nerves, bleed his financial resources, divide progressives, etc.
It's not like the Ruling Class doesn't have a budget for cruel and unusual
punishment of all kinds.

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> Perhaps Stuart Munckton could confirm the veracity of the article below.
> It is dated August 24.   My hard copy of the same issue of 'Green Left
> Weekly' is dated August 22.   I attempted without success to post a comment
> on this article, criticising its author's equivocation over the vital need
> of the international left to unite in defence of Julian Assange.   I posed
> the question in my comments that if I, or anyone else, alleged that the
> Duke of Edinburgh was a serial pederast, how much credence would be given
> to such allegations?   I suggested that if the Swedish or British
> authorities seriously believe that Julian Assange is guilty of sexual
> violence then they should either charge him under the relevant statute(s),
> or back off.
>
> - Graham Milner
>
>
> - Original Message - From: "Stuart Munckton" <
> stuartmunck...@gmail.com>
> To: "Graham Milner" 
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 10:41 AM
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> to overshadow the ground-breaking journalism of WikiLeaks in exposing the
> secrets of governments and corporations around the world.
>
> http://www.greenleft.org.au/**node/51992
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> --
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> original virtue. It is through disobedience that progress has been made,
> through disobedience and through rebellion.” — Oscar Wilde, Soul of Man
> Under Socialism
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Re: [Marxism] Marx's Racist Put-Down of Lassalle

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"gyp" as in cheat as in Gypsy? Prolly so...

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> If we can pride ourselves on being more advanced today, don't we owe this
> to the struggles of those who have fought racist oppression? In the absence
> of such struggles, how many of us would be more advanced than Marx? (The
> "us" I am referring to is in particular whites who oppose racism).
>
> Mark L. said:
> I have no idea what this means. Can you clarify, please
>
>
> Ken Hiebert replies:
> Thanks for giving me the chance to express myself more clearly.
>
> Marx was highly intelligent and a humanist, but this was not enough to
> free him from racist ideas.  The generations that came after him were
> exposed to anti-racist and anti-colonialist struggles.  These struggles
> helped the later generations to free themselves of racist ideas.  So, if we
> are more advanced than Marx on racism, it is not because we are morally or
> intellectually superior.  (Not that anyone was suggesting that}.
>
> Revolutionaries working in unions have been confronted with a workforce
> divided by race and ethnicity and  have had to develop a response to that.
>  I don't know if Marx had that experience in the union movement of his day.
>
> I look at my own history of ignorance and how I overcame it. When I was a
> child I would sometimes hear the expression "to jew someone down," meaning
> to haggle or to drive a hard bargain.  I remember clearly that i used this
> expression one day in the classroom and my teacher challenged me on it.  I
> had used the expression as thoughtlessly as you might say "to gyp someone."
>  i wonder how long I might have gone on using that expression if my teacher
> had not challenged me.
>
> I remember as well being at university and standing looking at a plaque
> that reported the number of women and men in the Arts department.  Men out
> numbered women about 2 to 1.  It didn't dawn on me that there was anything
> wrong with this (aside from the difficulty in dating).  This was 1966.  It
> was a few more years before I was influenced by the women's liberation
> movement.  Without the women's movement would I have advanced at all in my
> thinking?
>
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Re: [Marxism] blog post: The Moab Giants Dinosaur Park

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Yup, right you are: back to the future.~Gulfmann

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> The one good thing about having lots of giant dinosaur models around
> is that it gives Americans an honest look at their future.  :-)
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Re: [Marxism] The Story of My Arrest for Disrupting Tony Blair

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Good advice, apparently painfully learned.

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> Counterpunch May 31, 2012
> Diary of a Mad Carney
> The Story of My Arrest for Disrupting Tony Blair
> by LAWRENCE REICHARD
>
> On May 20 I was arrested for yelling “liar” and “warmonger” at Tony Blair
> as he spoke to the graduating one percenters at Colby College in
> Waterville, Maine, 50 miles from my Bangor home.  As the cops led me away,
> before they arrested me, I calmly led fully 4-6 of them in a serpentine
> pattern weaving in and out of a line of planted stately trees.  It took
> them about four or five trees to figure out I was yanking their chain.  And
> as they led me away I continued to yell.  Hence my arrest.
>
> Much to my surprise the news shot around the world, thanks largely to an
> AP story that cited Blair’s current faux job of negotiating a solution to
> the Palestine problem.  Never mind that he supported Israel’s 2008-2009 war
> on the people of Gaza.
>
> The story of my arrest made papers in the UK, Ireland, Australia, New
> Zealand, Ukraine, Iran and Ghana.  And it made the front page of the Bangor
> Daily News, my hometown paper, replete with my name and mug shot.  That’s
> when things got interesting.
>
> The next day I showed up for a previously scheduled substitute teaching
> gig at Hampden Academy, a public high school in Hampden, Maine, where I had
> been a substitute teacher for more than eight years.  Before first period I
> was asked by a school administrator to keep a low profile.  I agreed to do
> this, and I did.  During the course of the day a half-dozen or so students
> asked me why I had protested Blair, and in a few short, calm sentences I
> told them.  They uniformly supported me, and the students in general were
> more vocally and demonstrably friendly than normal that day.
>
> The next day I got a call from a local TV reporter who said she had heard
> I might be fired from my sub job because of the Tony Blair incident, and
> she asked to interview me.  Thinking it might be an opportunity to further
> publicize Tony Blair’s war crimes, I agreed.
>
> I was wrong.  All the reporter cared about was the possibility of my being
> fired.  All my efforts to direct the interview back to the real issue at
> hand quickly and inexorably found their way to the floor of the editing
> room.  The Iraq war is old news.  It doesn’t sell.
>
> Bright and early the next morning I called my supervisor at Hampden
> Academy and asked to come in and speak with him.  My request was granted.
>  In that meeting I was told that I was innocent  until proven guilty but
> that my presence at Hampden Academy had produced a “carnival-like
> atmosphere” and that this was not needed.
>
> In other words I had been fired.  So much for innocent until proven guilty.
>
> I had been called to sub 12 of the 16 school days prior to my arrest.
>  After my arrest I did not get called for six straight days and I emailed
> the school in an attempt to clarify my status.  I received a reply asking
> me to call the school and I did.  I was then told that I should apply to
> sub elsewhere and that the school wanted things to “calm down a little bit.”
>
> So I went public.  In the week following my arrest the Bangor Daily News
> ran no less than three op-eds about my arrest, one of them by me.  A local
> talk radio station had me on.  And there was the aforementioned TV report.
>  Clearly there was media interest in the story.
>
> I fired off a press release, and I got two bites and one nibble that has
> yet to play out.  The Bangor Daily News wrote an online piece that will
> likely make its print edition, and the same TV reporter called and
> interviewed me again.
>
> Some people are a little slow to learn, and I am apparently one of them.
>  Again I thought this would be an opportunity to talk about a war that has
> killed and displaced hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, has killed almost
> 5,000 Americans, has gravely wounded some 30,000 Americans, has wrought
>  considerable environmental destruction, and has utterly squandered an
> estimated $3 trillion of national wealth.  Meanwhile Hampden Academy is
> laying off personnel.
>
> But the media cares not one whit about all this.  As had happened the week
> before, they wanted to talk only of my firing and the mechanics of my
> arrest, not the real issue at hand – Blair’s extremely costly lies.
>
> And so ends my more than eight years of unblemished subbing at Hampden
> Academy.  In January I was fired from my other job af

Re: [Marxism] Columbia Manhattanville expansion kills worker

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No, I understood fine, Louis. I know that class forces contend in your
neighborhood, mine, Homs, Tripoli, and everywhere. Still, it ain't often
that workers die on the job right across the street from where one
works. My post was an attempt to link you in your place with others in
their various places.

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>> Cripes, Louis, you musta thought you were in Homs or Tripoli. Stick to
>> the shadows. Duck and dodge.
>>
>>
> I guess you didn't understand the point of my posting this. It had nothing
> to do with me. It was about Columbia using a criminal enterprise

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[Marxism] Fwd: QUERY: How are Loyalists treated in courses? [G Furr]

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You can inform the listserve that all of Grover's questions are answered in
Gary Nash's The Unknown American Revolution. I use it in my grad seminar.  M

-- Forwarded message --
From: John Saillant 
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 08:16:54 -0500
Subject: Re: QUERY: How are Loyalists treated in courses? [G Furr]
To: h-oie...@h-net.msu.edu

I'm glad to see this thread about Loyalists because I'd like to raise a
question or two.

Here is one of them:  Why did so many in the 13 colonies support the
Revolution?

I understand why many in the colonial elite did so. They became the new
ruling elite, replacing British governors, Parliament, etc.

But why did so many of the common people support it?

Grover Furr
Montclair SU

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Re: [Marxism] From the latest London Review

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No problems here either.

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> These articles seem to be behind a paywall, is this the case for anyone
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> > http://www.lrb.co.uk/v33/n16/stefan-collini/from-robbins-to-mckinsey
> >
> > Stefan Collini
> > The Dismantling of the Universities
> >
> > Since perhaps the 1970s, certainly the 1980s, official discourse
> > has become increasingly colonised by an economistic idiom, which
> > is derived not strictly from economic theory proper, but rather
> > from the language of management schools, business consultants and
> > financial journalism. British society has been subject to a
> > deliberate campaign, initiated in free-market think tanks in the
> > 1960s and 1970s and pushed strongly by business leaders and
> > right-wing commentators ever since, to elevate the status of
> > business and commerce and to make ‘contributing to economic
> > growth’ the overriding goal of a whole swathe of social, cultural
> > and intellectual activities which had previously been understood
> > and valued in other terms.
> >
> > http://www.lrb.co.uk/v33/n16/corey-robin/the-war-on-tax
> >
> > Corey Robin
> > Downgrading Obama
> >
> > The debt crisis confronting the Obama administration is the
> > product of war and taxes. There is little dispute that the origins
> > of the crisis predate Obama’s election. When George W. Bush took
> > office in 2001, the US had a $2 trillion budget surplus. Many
> > believed that if the country merely continued on the path set by
> > Bill Clinton, the national debt, then $5.7 trillion, would be
> > eliminated by the end of the decade. Bush chose a different way.
> >
> >
> > http://www.lrb.co.uk/v33/n16/thomas-powers/too-fast
> >
> > Thomas Powers
> > Malcolm X
> >
> > How to be black in America was the challenge for spirited young
> > men of colour who found their way to Harlem in the troubled years
> > of the 1940s, when music, poetry, dance and art were giving way to
> > drink, drugs, street crime and sex for money. Malcolm Little’s
> > first impulse was to cut loose in the big city where he found
> > himself soon after his 17th birthday in 1942.
> >
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Re: [Marxism] The Encyclopedia of Anti Revisionism on-line: "The dirty little secret"

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Let me second Dayne here, Waistline2. When I open one of your posts, I
always settle in, fire up a smoke, and put on my thinking cap. Thank you for
sharing.

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> > . . . I believe I am the only comrade that communicates on list such as
> > this. The value of the list for me has been exposure to a vast amount of
> > literature and ideas.
> >
>
> Thank you for doing so.  Please keep it up.
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Re: [Marxism] Roger Cohen: Goldstone is "bizarre"

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> Goldstone won't seek report nullification
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Re: [Marxism] writing

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> I read Paul Street's piece on the poohbahs at the Left Forum plenary.  His
> points are good ones.
> Celebrity is a big problem for the left too.  Same old faces, every year,
> doling out the same old
> and boring crap.  However, Paul's article is badly written, with
> paragraph-long sentences, too many quotes and
> references, too many useless adverbs, and too much ego (I said this and I
> said that). A little editing would have
> helped make the article better. Same goes for much of what is written in Z,
> on blogs, on email lists, just about
> everywhere. In writing, less is always more.
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Libya: Regular boots on the ground!?!

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>  Original Message 
> Subject:Libya: Regular boots on the ground!?!
> “General: U.S. may consider troops in Libya.Army Gen. Carter Ham says
> ground forces wouldn't be ideal, but may be a possible way to aid
> rebels; Says current operation largely stalemated.”
>
> "Mission Creep" in action--I'm shocked, shocked! A new Med Club opening on
> the Libyan coast is no doubt next.

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Re: [Marxism] Wallerstein: Libya and the World Left

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What a wonderful sounding quote, although palpably untrue: as a rule,
oppressors want to be free, even while they unite to deny such freedom to
their victims.

On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 3:40 PM, dave x  wrote:

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> Wallerstein: Libya and the World Left
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> http://www.iwallerstein.com/libya-world-left/
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> excerpt:
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> The key struggle worldwide right now is the second Arab revolt. It
> will be hard enough to obtain a truly radical outcome in this
> struggle. Qaddafi is a major obstacle for the Arab, and indeed the
> world, left. Perhaps we should all remember Simone de Beauvoir’s
> maxim: “Wanting to be free yourself means wanting that others be
> free.”
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[Marxism] Politics & the Super Bowl

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How do people decide which athletic team to root for? Most people prolly
root for the home team or the team closest to home or the team with which
they have some biographic connection. That's the majority way of deciding. A
part of the minority--the Ann Randites and their cousins--commit to
individual players they favor and side with them regardless of which team
they shirt up for. Another part of the minority, more rational, scientific,
and prolly gambling addicted, bet the Vegas line. It's head over heart for
them.

For me this Super Bowl, it's politics. NFL teams are all owned by
Rulingclass kazillionaires who use them as toys for amusement or as
investments to make $$$. If teams don't make $$$ or fail to amuse by losing
too much, Rulingclass kazillionaires either move them to a larger, more
profitable venue or sell them in disgust to another Rulingclass
kazillionaire looking for a play toy or a cash register.

Only 1 team in the NFL ain't owned by Rulingclass kazillionaires: the Green
Bay Packers, who instead are municipally owned by the citizens of Green Bay.
The Packers thus represent ordinary Workingclass stiffs, like the big
majority of Americans. Like us. They have the only valid claim of being
America's Team.

A further attraction with the Packers is that Green Bay is by far, far, far
the smallest city in the nation to field an NFL team. Imagine plucky little
Green Bay going up against the largest, wealthiest cities in the land. It's
a David vs. Goliath contest. In other words, no contest all all for me to
pick sides.

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