Re: [Marxism] Israel moves closer to a single-state solution

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Thanks Luko,
another useful resource is the Discriminatory Law Database at the Adalah
website:
http://adalah.org/eng/Israeli-Discriminatory-Law-Database

After my 45 years of occasional but ongoing Palestine solidarity work, my
friend Frances ReMillard has been helping me to see into these deeper
structural realities of the Zionist state of Israel.  Frances is the
director of Utahns for a Just Peace in the Holy Land ; she became
a political activist a decade ago, already in her sixties, when her college
age kids brought their Palestinian friends home and Frances was shocked to
begin to learn about the oppression of the Palestinians.

Frances is a retired scientist who wants to understand the basic reality of
things.  A recent experience of hers that brought new insight into the
nature of the state of Israel was participating in the (Bertrand) Russell
Tribunal on Palestine which took place in Capetown <
http://www.russelltribunalonpalestine.com/en/sessions/south-africa/south-africa-session-%E2%80%94-full-findings/cape-town-session-summary-of-findings>
in November 2011.  One of the major resources for the Tribunal's
deliberations was the South Africa Human Sciences Research Council's 2009
research paper on:
*Occupation, Colonialism, Apartheid? A re-assessment of Israel’s practices
in the occupied Palestinian territories under international law* which is
available at   http://electronicintifada.net/files/090608-hsrc.pdf

Because the HSRC's study is heavy legalese that is difficult for the
layperson to digest, Frances wrote and published a reader friendly summary
"Is Israel an Apartheid State?" which can be downloaded at:


btw Frances is not an 'Apartheid Israel' fanatic, she readily agrees with
Noam Chomsky, Bishop Desmond Tutu and others that Zionist Israel is more
dangerously oppressive than South African apartheid.

Dayne


On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 8:33 PM, Lüko Willms  wrote:

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> on Dienstag, 2. September 2014 at 06:43, Dayne Goodwin via Marxism wrote:
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>
>
>
>
> *>  Israel's 1952 Status Law > intertwines the World Zionist
> Organization/Jewish Agency/Jewish > National Fund inextricably with the
> state of Israel *
>  can be found at
>
> http://www.israellawresourcecenter.org/israellaws/fulltext/jewishagencystatuslaw.htm
>
>   together with many other Israeli laws
> Cheers,
> Lüko Willms
>
>

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Re: [Marxism] Knock, knock - you're dead: the militarisation of the police in the Land of the Free

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I think the attitude of the police has definitely changed in that they
are far less likely to be conciliatory or even civil. The equipment is
that of an army of occupation and it does carry a distinct attitude
about the people whose neighborhoods you are occupying.

This effects some parts of the police forces more than others, of
course, but I do think it's been a bit different.

There was the striking clip of the cop in Ferguson talking about the
citizens arrayed against him as "animals.". The sentiment may be
time-honored, but the open contempt saying it on camera is remarkable.

Mark L




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Joe's cautionary notes are crucial. When Ferguson broke a million activists
we're saying a) cops are militarized like never before, and b) all their
gear and training is from Israel, and c): a and b
And I repeatedly ranted on facebook about how ahistorical and inaccurate
that was.
Yes, policing evolves. But noting carefully how, when, where and why -- and
when NOT-- is crucial for knowing how to fight back. Otherwise all the
hoo-ha about militarization will become for some an excuse not to fight.


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>
> http://rdln.wordpress.com/2014/09/03/knock-knock-youre-dead-the-militarisation-of-the-police-force-in-the-land-of-the-free/
>
>
> I always wonder about this kind of thing, though. To be sure, the
> militarization of police is a Very Bad Thing, and one on which I frown.
>
> But has it actually made them more any racist, violent, or likely to injure
> and/or kill you than they were before?
>
> I haven't crunched the numbers. But I strongly, strongly doubt it.
>
> The Redline post writes of "Pennsylvania in 1905 – where previously there
> would have been strong identification of officers drawn from local
> communities with the workers they live with."
>
> In that case, it might even be true. I don't know.
>
> But there's a strong undercurrent of Norman Rockwell-esque bullshit in a
> lot of left discourse around militarization, which implicitly, when not
> explicitly, hearkens back to some mythical golden age of caring
> neighborhood officers we all know perfectly well never existed for most.
>
> --
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[Marxism] Gaza launches rubble bucket challenge

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http://guardianlv.com/2014/08/gaza-launched-rubble-bucket-challenge-to-raise-awareness-video/#d3KJdHlSvm0x2HfZ.99

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[Marxism] Kurds search for unity amid relentless fight to defeat 'Islamic State' thugs | Links International Journal of Socialist Renewal

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By *Dave Holmes*

September 2, 2014 -- /Links International Journal of Socialist Renewal/ 
-- Across northern Syria and Iraq, Kurdish forces are locked in fierce 
battles with the murderous "Islamic State" (IS) armed force. Whether 
directly or indirectly, the whole Kurdish people is being drawn into 
this struggle.


In late August the Syrian Kurdish resistance forces announced they had 
defeated an IS push around the town of Jazaa in north-eastern Syria, 
close to the Iraq border. Hundreds of IS fighters were killed in the 
August 19-31 battles.



Full article at http://links.org.au/node/4033

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Re: [Marxism] Knock, knock - you're dead: the militarisation of the police in the Land of the Free

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Joe's cautionary notes are crucial. When Ferguson broke a million activists
we're saying a) cops are militarized like never before, and b) all their
gear and training is from Israel, and c): a and b
And I repeatedly ranted on facebook about how ahistorical and inaccurate
that was.
Yes, policing evolves. But noting carefully how, when, where and why -- and
when NOT-- is crucial for knowing how to fight back. Otherwise all the
hoo-ha about militarization will become for some an excuse not to fight.


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>
> http://rdln.wordpress.com/2014/09/03/knock-knock-youre-dead-the-militarisation-of-the-police-force-in-the-land-of-the-free/
>
>
> I always wonder about this kind of thing, though. To be sure, the
> militarization of police is a Very Bad Thing, and one on which I frown.
>
> But has it actually made them more any racist, violent, or likely to injure
> and/or kill you than they were before?
>
> I haven't crunched the numbers. But I strongly, strongly doubt it.
>
> The Redline post writes of "Pennsylvania in 1905 – where previously there
> would have been strong identification of officers drawn from local
> communities with the workers they live with."
>
> In that case, it might even be true. I don't know.
>
> But there's a strong undercurrent of Norman Rockwell-esque bullshit in a
> lot of left discourse around militarization, which implicitly, when not
> explicitly, hearkens back to some mythical golden age of caring
> neighborhood officers we all know perfectly well never existed for most.
>
> --
> "Hige sceal þe heardra, heorte þe cenre, mod sceal þe mare, þe ure mægen
> lytlað."
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Re: [Marxism] Knock, knock - you're dead: the militarisation of the police in the Land of the Free

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On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 5:14 AM, Philip Ferguson via Marxism <
marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote:

http://rdln.wordpress.com/2014/09/03/knock-knock-youre-dead-the-militarisation-of-the-police-force-in-the-land-of-the-free/


I always wonder about this kind of thing, though. To be sure, the
militarization of police is a Very Bad Thing, and one on which I frown.

But has it actually made them more any racist, violent, or likely to injure
and/or kill you than they were before?

I haven't crunched the numbers. But I strongly, strongly doubt it.

The Redline post writes of "Pennsylvania in 1905 – where previously there
would have been strong identification of officers drawn from local
communities with the workers they live with."

In that case, it might even be true. I don't know.

But there's a strong undercurrent of Norman Rockwell-esque bullshit in a
lot of left discourse around militarization, which implicitly, when not
explicitly, hearkens back to some mythical golden age of caring
neighborhood officers we all know perfectly well never existed for most.

-- 
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Re: [Marxism] Israel moves closer to a single-state solution

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on Dienstag, 2. September 2014 at 06:43, Dayne Goodwin via Marxism wrote:

>  Israel's 1952 Status Law
> intertwines the World Zionist Organization/Jewish Agency/Jewish
> National Fund inextricably with the state of Israel

  can be found at
  
http://www.israellawresourcecenter.org/israellaws/fulltext/jewishagencystatuslaw.htm
 

  together with many other Israeli laws 

 
Cheers, 
Lüko Willms


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[Marxism] Fwd: Columbia Law Professor reads U. of Illinois the riot act | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist

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http://louisproyect.org/2014/09/03/columbia-law-professor-reads-u-of-illinois-the-riot-act/

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[Marxism] Knock, knock - you're dead: the militarisation of the police in the Land of the Free

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[Marxism] FARC-EP and PKK in conversation

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"PKK, the Workers Party of Kurdistán: many people know their name, few
really know what their struggle is about. www.farc-epeace.org had the
opportunity to speak with two representatives of the PKK's Party of Women's
Liberation (PAJK), Zelal Dersim and Asia Dicle, about the situation in the
Middle-East, Islamic State, the role of the United States, the peace
process with the Turkish government and, last but not least, the PKK
struggle for freedom ..."

http://farc-epeace.org/index.php/what-you-should-know/item/512-part-i-the-double-standards-of-the-western-world-according-to-pkk.html

http://farc-epeace.org/index.php/what-you-should-know/item/514-part-ii-is-seen-through-the-eyes-of-pkk-guerrilla-forces.html

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[Marxism] Israel joins "axis of resistance"

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[Marxism] Fwd: Michael Sam: Out of the Closet, Out of the NFL? | The Nation

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http://www.thenation.com/blog/181434/michael-sam-out-closet-out-nfl

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[Marxism] Fwd: Letter to University of Illinois Chancellor Regarding Salaita Case

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From the American Historical Association.

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[Marxism] Fwd: A Return to Rockaway | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist

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This is a video I recorded last weekend in Rockaway, Queens—the 
epicenter of Hurricane Sandy. It is a follow-up to the video I made in 
November 2012, shortly after the hurricane had inflicted major damage in 
Rockaway including the deaths of local residents.


It is a report both on how the peninsula has recovered as well as the 
threats now posed by a natural gas pipeline being installed underneath 
Rockaway as part of a nationwide network built by the Williams Company, 
an outfit that can be described as the BP of natural gas pipelines.


full: http://louisproyect.org/2014/09/02/a-return-to-rockaway/

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[Marxism] Ireland. 20 Years from the IRA ceasefire

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The ghost of promises past: 20 years since the IRA ceasefire



The 20th anniversary of the IRA ceasefire that began the movement to 
the current peace settlement arrived on August 31st.  It has been 
marked by a number of commentaries. Almost all are fervently in support 
of the settlement, yet nearly all are marked by a deep disillusionment 
and disappointment and also a recognition that, despite continued 
support from the major political forces, the political structures are 
in crisis and are likely to collapse in a short period of time.

http://www.socialistdemocracy.org/RecentArticles/Recent20YearsSinceTheIRACeasefire.html

John McA

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Re: [Marxism] Israel moves closer to a single-state solution

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Interesting discussion, though I also know that the human suffering at the
heart of the Palestinian struggle weighs upon all of us in this thread.  We
are all aware of that, despite possible differences.

My analysis springs from a realization that all structures of oppression
and domination rest upon a layer of what I call "dirty business" - torture,
assassinations, beatings, spies, planting of evidence, informers, arrest
without trial etc.  Those in charge of dirty business are generally kept
away from the limelight.  Occasionally they are punished when the system
needs to look respectable. What has happened in Israel is that the peddlers
of dirty business now run the government.  They are out there in the open
for everyone to see in all their filthy racist glory.

As I have frequently pointed out, there is no more Ben Gurion or Golda Meir
to make the Zionist project look half decent. Why the thugs are out there
in charge of things, I am not sure.  It speaks to me of a crisis of
Zionism. I can only think that the political conditions necessary for the
fulfillment of the Zionist dream no longer exist.  That is why that, like
the Apartheid regime in South Africa, Israel is fast becoming a pariah.

Nonetheless, there is an inner logic to Zionism and it cannot be stopped.
 The idea of a two state solution is the last chance for Zionism to become
acceptable, but it is being sabotaged repeatedly by the Israeli
government..  The stealing of Arab land was always the core meaning of
Zionism - always. Ethnic cleansing was also always apart of that.   I think
this is what Richard Seymour means when he talks of the process of
auto-radicalization at  work within Zionism.

It is not for me to tell the Palestinians how they should wage their
struggle.  However, I do agree with the position advanced on the Electronic
Intifada website of dissolving the  Oslo structures.  That could then
initiate a struggle for democratic rights within Israel. The experience of
Northern Ireland shows that a campaign for something such as "One vote: One
value" cannot be accommodated within an Apartheid state.

In the mean time our hopes must be pinned on the visibly deepening
commitment of young Arabs to the Palestinian cause.

comradely

Gary


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> What these developments highlight is that "one-state" is not inherently
> superior over "two states" in all cases. Both have their dangers, both can
> be Zionist or non-Zionist versions. Arguably, two states are not viable as
> a long-term "solution," but before getting to a full-scale solution, any
> number of options are possible as stages in struggle. The idea of the
> Palestinians achieving independent political authority in a West
> Bank-Gaza-Jerusalem state, via a mixture of military, civil, diplomatic etc
> struggle (as, let's say, a temporary stage towards dismantling Israeli
> apartheid), may seem unrealistic, but I doubt it is less realistic than
> getting a one-state solution of a democratic type any time soon. Probably
> more realistic. But perhaps less realistic than this Zionist version of
> one-state. Where the one-state solution is not South Africa at end of
> apartheid in 1994 but South Africa at onset of it in 1948, with the
> difference that the Palestinians will be locked in as a permanent minority
> via ethnic cleansing, denial of return etc, thus without even the potential
> of South  Africa's Black majority. Watch what you wish for.
>
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>  I think that the discussion on the Israeli 'right' which Marv shared
>> with us, is discussion about how an enlarged Israel could still keep
>> the remaining Palestinians legally repressed as it already is doing in
>> fully Israel controlled territory.  It might come to pass that Israel
>> has to do something like this for some time while it still presses
>> steadily forward with ethnic cleansing, just as it works steadily now
>> to take control of remaining Palestinian land within the 1948 borde

[Marxism] Fwd: "Our comrade Bala is no more” - International Viewpoint - online socialist magazine

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He was a leading Trotskyist in Sri Lanka.

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Re: [Marxism] Brazil - a left challenge to Rousseff

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Thanks for the clarification - I thought it was too good to be true!


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>
> Marina Silva is another option for the Brazilian right. She does not have a
> single concrete proposal. In her demagogic discourses she always promises a
> government "for all". And she's not so "green",
>
> The left-wing candidate Luciana Genro challenged Marina Silva yesterday in
> a national TV debate to choose one side: the workers' or the capitalists'
> side. But Marina says this is a discourse of the "old left", and that she
> represents a "new politics".
>
> Besides all that, she's an evangelical committed to the most backward
> groups and political positions related to gay marriage, homophobia,
> abortion, the teaching of creationism in schools, etc.
>
> Greetings from Brazil,
> Glauber
>
>
>
> 2014-09-02 13:08 GMT-03:00 Louis Proyect via Marxism <
> marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu>:
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>
> > I have grown skeptical of Marina Silva after seeing her endorsed by some
> > unsavory Wall Street types. Yes, she is good on environmental issues but
> > she is committed apparently to neoliberal "reforms", not that the Workers
> > Party is any bargain.
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Re: [Marxism] Brazil - a left challenge to Rousseff

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Marina Silva is another option for the Brazilian right. She does not have a
single concrete proposal. In her demagogic discourses she always promises a
government "for all". And she's not so "green",

The left-wing candidate Luciana Genro challenged Marina Silva yesterday in
a national TV debate to choose one side: the workers' or the capitalists'
side. But Marina says this is a discourse of the "old left", and that she
represents a "new politics".

Besides all that, she's an evangelical committed to the most backward
groups and political positions related to gay marriage, homophobia,
abortion, the teaching of creationism in schools, etc.

Greetings from Brazil,
Glauber



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>> http://www.salon.com/2014/09/01/how_this_politician_could_
>> help_save_the_planet/?source=newsletter
>>
>
> I have grown skeptical of Marina Silva after seeing her endorsed by some
> unsavory Wall Street types. Yes, she is good on environmental issues but
> she is committed apparently to neoliberal "reforms", not that the Workers
> Party is any bargain.
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Re: [Marxism] Brazil - a left challenge to Rousseff

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On 9/2/14 11:46 AM, Dennis Brasky via Marxism wrote:


http://www.salon.com/2014/09/01/how_this_politician_could_help_save_the_planet/?source=newsletter


I have grown skeptical of Marina Silva after seeing her endorsed by some 
unsavory Wall Street types. Yes, she is good on environmental issues but 
she is committed apparently to neoliberal "reforms", not that the 
Workers Party is any bargain.



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[Marxism] Brazil - a left challenge to Rousseff

[Dennis Brasky via Marxism]

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http://www.salon.com/2014/09/01/how_this_politician_could_help_save_the_planet/?source=newsletter

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[Marxism] New RedWedge: Gentrification and Censorship, New Deal Art, Degenerate Art, more

[Adam Turl via Marxism]

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In the new online issue of Red Wedge Magazine:



“Art (as Social Organism) vs. Gentrification”: Adam Turl interviews artist
Amie Sell, whose work was removed from a Chicago art show in June for
criticizing gentrification.



http://redwedgemagazine.com/articles/art-social-organism-amie-sell-art-gentrification



“Lost in the Light”: David Leitner reviews the poetry of Octavio
Quintanilla.



http://redwedgemagazine.com/articles/lost-light-poems-octavio-quintanilla



“New Deal Art Now”: Jessica Allee on the art of the Works Project
Administration.



http://redwedgemagazine.com/articles/new-deal-art-now-reframing-artifacts-diversity



“Entartete Kunst”: Adam Turl on the Neue Galerie’s Degenerate Art exhibit.



http://redwedgemagazine.com/articles/entartete-kunst-nazis-modern-art



Alexander Billet and Kanazi on “People’s Art and Political Struggle.”



http://redwedgemagazine.com/av/peoples-art-political-struggle



Mark Dickman on “Trotsky’s Imagery.”



http://redwedgemagazine.com/articles/trotskys-imagery

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[Marxism] Part Time Workers PBS News

[Brian via Marxism]

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Finally a good story from the dreadful PBS News Hour


http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/part-time-workers-suffer-instability-long-hours-make-ends-meet/

Best,
Brian McKenna


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Re: [Marxism] Israel moves closer to a single-state solution

[Michael Karadjis via Marxism]

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What these developments highlight is that "one-state" is not inherently 
superior over "two states" in all cases. Both have their dangers, both 
can be Zionist or non-Zionist versions. Arguably, two states are not 
viable as a long-term "solution," but before getting to a full-scale 
solution, any number of options are possible as stages in struggle. The 
idea of the Palestinians achieving independent political authority in a 
West Bank-Gaza-Jerusalem state, via a mixture of military, civil, 
diplomatic etc struggle (as, let's say, a temporary stage towards 
dismantling Israeli apartheid), may seem unrealistic, but I doubt it is 
less realistic than getting a one-state solution of a democratic type 
any time soon. Probably more realistic. But perhaps less realistic than 
this Zionist version of one-state. Where the one-state solution is not 
South Africa at end of apartheid in 1994 but South Africa at onset of it 
in 1948, with the difference that the Palestinians will be locked in as 
a permanent minority via ethnic cleansing, denial of return etc, thus 
without even the potential of South  Africa's Black majority. Watch what 
you wish for.


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From: Marv Gandall via Marxism

Sent: Tuesday, September 2, 2014 9:20 PM
To: Michael Karadjis
Subject: Re: [Marxism] Israel moves closer to a single-state solution

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On Sep 2, 2014, at 12:43 AM, Dayne Goodwin via Marxism 
 wrote:



I think that the discussion on the Israeli 'right' which Marv shared
with us, is discussion about how an enlarged Israel could still keep
the remaining Palestinians legally repressed as it already is doing in
fully Israel controlled territory.  It might come to pass that Israel
has to do something like this for some time while it still presses
steadily forward with ethnic cleansing, just as it works steadily now
to take control of remaining Palestinian land within the 1948 borders
and press remaining Palestinians to emigrate.


That will depend on whether it becomes necessary for the Zionists to do 
so. Indigenous populations are not always liquidated or expelled; many 
remain subordinated and segregated within the boundaries of the colonial 
settler state after having been driven off the best land. I suppose you 
could describe this as a kind of internal ethnic cleansing. But the most 
fascistic Zionists have to take into account that Israel, a latecomer to 
colonialism in an age when this is no longer the norm, is under the 
microscope and international political and economic pressure can be 
brought to bear against it when its brutal treatment of the Palestinians 
becomes especially egregious and arouses world opinion. I think the 
right-wing Zionists are counting on the birthrate of their religious 
fundamentalist base outstripping that of the West Bank Palestinians 
coupled with the fact there is no way they are going to include Gaza or 
readmit the Palestinian refugee masses outside the occupied territories 
into a Greater Israel. This all presupposes, of course, that no 
threatening third intifada or war with neighbouring states erupts in 
which case both the necessity and pretext for further mass expulsion 
would quickly reappear on the agenda.




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Re: [Marxism] Self slaps Orwell

[Andrew Pollack via Marxism]

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Who IS this asshole? Will who?
By the way, everyone IMO should be reading "Burmese Days."


On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 12:22 AM, Gregory Adler via Marxism <
marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote:

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> I have posted this because I enjoyed Self"s takedown of Orwell's
> impoverishing view of language  and it is worth reminding ourselves that
> Orwell-whatever his virtues- comes finally to a sort of leftish
> little-Englander imperialist position in politics ( yes that is
> contradictory but so is life)
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> http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-28971276
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[Marxism] Fwd: Why are Nicaraguan youths staying put while neighbors migrate north? - CSMonitor.com

[Louis Proyect via Marxism]

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http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Americas/2014/0901/Why-are-Nicaraguan-youths-staying-put-while-neighbors-migrate-north

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[Marxism] Fwd: Breaking News! Wise to Forward Salaita Appointment to Trustees! | Corey Robin

[Louis Proyect via Marxism]

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The other possibility is that the UIUC is thinking legally. One of the 
many weak links in their legal case was that Wise never forwarded 
Salaita’s appointment to the Board of Trustees for a vote. She basically 
did a pocket veto. Salaita’s offer letter stated that his appointment 
was subject to approval by the Board of Trustees, but Wise effectively 
never allowed the Board to approve or disapprove. So the UIUC’s lawyers 
could have decided that the better thing to do would be simply to carry 
out the full deed.


full: 
http://coreyrobin.com/2014/09/01/breaking-news-wise-to-forward-salaita-appointment-to-trustees/


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Re: [Marxism] Israel moves closer to a single-state solution

[Marv Gandall via Marxism]

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On Sep 2, 2014, at 12:43 AM, Dayne Goodwin via Marxism 
 wrote:

> I think that the discussion on the Israeli 'right' which Marv shared
> with us, is discussion about how an enlarged Israel could still keep
> the remaining Palestinians legally repressed as it already is doing in
> fully Israel controlled territory.  It might come to pass that Israel
> has to do something like this for some time while it still presses
> steadily forward with ethnic cleansing, just as it works steadily now
> to take control of remaining Palestinian land within the 1948 borders
> and press remaining Palestinians to emigrate.  

That will depend on whether it becomes necessary for the Zionists to do so. 
Indigenous populations are not always liquidated or expelled; many remain 
subordinated and segregated within the boundaries of the colonial settler state 
after having been driven off the best land. I suppose you could describe this 
as a kind of internal ethnic cleansing. But the most fascistic Zionists have to 
take into account that Israel, a latecomer to colonialism in an age when this 
is no longer the norm, is under the microscope and international political and 
economic pressure can be brought to bear against it when its brutal treatment 
of the Palestinians becomes especially egregious and arouses world opinion. I 
think the right-wing Zionists are counting on the birthrate of their religious 
fundamentalist base outstripping that of the West Bank Palestinians coupled 
with the fact there is no way they are going to include Gaza or readmit the 
Palestinian refugee masses outside the occupied territories into a
  Greater Israel. This all presupposes, of course, that no threatening third 
intifada or war with neighbouring states erupts in which case both the 
necessity and pretext for further mass expulsion would quickly reappear on the 
agenda.



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Re: [Marxism] Israel moves closer to a single-state solution

[Jim Farmelant via Marxism]

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It's quite possible that both ethnic cleansing and the granting of Israeli 
citizenship to the remaining Palestinians might be on the agenda. This is not 
necessarily an either/or situation. One can find precedents for that sort of 
thinking, going all the way back to Jabotinsky, who sometimes argued that once 
a Jewish majority was assured in Israel then the remaining Palestinian Arabs 
could then have full legal and political rights. Under such circumstances 
Israel could even have an Arab prime minister and it wouldn't matter.

Jim Farmelant
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Subject: Re: [Marxism] Israel moves closer to a single-state solution
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 22:03:00 -0400




On Sep 1, 2014, at 8:07 PM, Gary MacLennan  wrote:

> �I still believe that ethnic cleansing is on the Zionist menu.

Conceivably. But it�s also conceivable that granting the Palestinians 
formal citizenship at some point could see their demands for equal rights 
channelled and absorbed into the Israeli electoral system, encouraging their 
gravitation towards parties like Balad and even Labour. As we know, granting 
democratic rights (to vote, to form unions) is a two edged sword: it opens the 
door to modest improvements within the system at the same time it saps more 
militant resistance outside of it. Ruling classes often choose to 
institutionalize disruptive and costly conflict in this way, and it may well 
underlie the thinking of that segment of the Zionist right cited by Sheizaf. I 
wouldn�t rule out any scenario.

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